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431: Excited Delerium
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Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Thursday, August 2nd, 2012.
Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 431.
This is no agenda.
Parked in the shadow of Northcom, smack in the middle of the real government headquarters, Denver, Colorado.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where there is no such place, I'm John C. Dvorak.
It's Cracklot and Buzzkill.
You're telling me there's nothing in these mountains here?
No, there's nothing there.
Nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here.
That's right.
Look over here.
Nothing to see here.
Ooh, look at that!
By the way, those slogans are still on the Sin Bin and Mustang Sally.
No, good.
I hope people get a kick out of it.
Oh, I have to mention we're actually in Erie.
Erie...
Erie, Pennsylvania?
Erie, Colorado.
Colorado.
Is it E-E-R-I-E? One E. E-R-I-E. Oh.
And we are right in the flight path of a small airport here.
So from time to time you'll hear something coming over.
Do not be alarmed.
As long as it doesn't hit the thing.
Who are you hooked up to?
What are you doing there?
Okay, well, shall I give you a little summary of the past few days since we last spoke?
Yeah, you might as well give us a rundown.
Okay, I mean, I hope I don't bore you or anything.
No, no, I think people are interested to a point.
Okay, so thanks.
When we last spoke, where was I? When we last spoke, I was in Dallas, Texas.
Dallas, Texas, right.
So we left Dallas and we drove to Kansas and we parked in...
I thought you would be in Kansas today.
No, no, no.
I mean, hey, look, it was four days.
Come on, four days, John.
Yeah, but I know you can drive across the whole country in four days if you just get in the thing and stomp on it and go and go and go and go and go.
Yeah, so that's not much of an option.
Let me explain.
So we drove to Kansas towards Wichita where producer John Leonard...
With his wonderful wife, Mary, and his son, John Jr.
This is an amazing guy.
John and Mary.
John, John, and Mary.
It was actually their 29th wedding anniversary, which they gave up to take us out to dinner to entertain us.
Maybe after 29 years, maybe no one cares.
I don't know.
Yeah, it'll probably be a little tougher than 30 years.
I'm just saying.
And on the way up, basically the tailpipe and the muffler all kind of fell off Mustang Sally, which gave us a lot of...
The tailpipe and the muffler fell off.
It kind of took it with it.
The tailpipe kind of took the muffler along with it, which is not good for your heat situation, for your back pressure.
All kinds of things are not so great.
Yeah, it also makes a lot of racket.
It makes some racket.
And, of course, we had 111 degrees on the road.
And so we, of course, wound up turning off the air conditioner.
It's probably the air conditioner that made the thing.
But now let's back up a minute.
That was not a fun trip, let me tell you that.
Now, where did this happen?
On, what is it, 35?
Is that what we took up?
Was it on the way to Wichita?
Yeah, yeah.
The muffler and tailpipe fell off.
Yes.
And nobody, when they're checking your car, noticed there may have been not bolted on or it's rusting.
Well, the rust was kind of a known factor.
So, but it's okay.
It's alright, you know.
Just the problem was the heat issue, because you do start to get into a little bit of elevation.
It's a strain on the thing to go up.
Going into the Rocky Mountains...
It's not known as the easy on a car.
No, no.
And luckily, though, we didn't have to turn on the heater to cool down the car.
We didn't have to go to that extreme just yet.
But it was pretty bad.
And so we head up to Wichita.
Now, John Leonard, very interesting guy.
He's an aeronautical engineer.
Of course, Wichita is the home of aviation.
This is where all the big aviation companies are.
He works for Learjet, but there's...
You know, every plane really, you know, that is assembled is pretty much designed and engineered and in many cases assembled in Wichita, which I found out is because it is exactly the furthest from each coast of the United States of Gitmo Nation.
So if someone wanted to bomb the facilities, like going back to World War II, they would have to fly, you know, the furthest inland that you could imagine, because there's no other reason to be in Wichita.
Right.
But also Airbus is now in Wichita.
So I met up with a couple other engineers.
And John, he actually, well, he chases work.
He's a contractor.
So he lives in a trailer.
And he's been in Wichita for three years, but he also lives in San Diego.
You know, he's done a combination of military and civilian engineering jobs.
So a very interesting guy.
Beautiful trailer, by the way.
His trailers go.
I mean, he's got a fireplace in there.
Oh, yeah.
No, you can do well in a really great trailer.
Oh, yeah.
And his wife hates hotels, so they decided, you know, we're just going to live in a trailer.
So it's really nice.
But he has a side hobby, which is phenomenal.
Go to dunebuggygolfcarts.com.
This is going to crack you up.
So he's a monthly donor.
Hold on.
DuneBuggyGolfCarts.com.
And look at these.
I got doob.
Dune.
So he actually makes dune buggies out of golf carts.
Because he's an engineer, so he designed this body out of fiberglass.
I've seen these kinds of things.
Isn't this beautiful?
I never saw it as a golf cart, so that's a very funny idea.
Yeah.
So he actually had the golden orange one you see there.
He's like, here's the keys.
We're tooling around the RV park, going to the showers.
So he's selling these to rich arabs who show up there to pick up their Airbus or whatever.
Well, they take a couple of these things back.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They load them up.
They drive them into the Airbus and haul them back to Saudi Arabia.
But here's what's interesting.
They're very pretty.
They're very pretty.
So there's a lot of engineers up there, and I had the opportunity to talk to a couple.
And of course, when aviation guys get together, there's two camps, really.
There's the sheet metal and rivets camp, which is what I belong to, which is Boeing still makes sheet metal and rivet airplanes.
And then there's the plastic aircraft, which is what everyone else, particularly Airbus, is making.
So without naming names...
Without fail, these engineers all said, yeah, we actually don't like flying in our own airplanes if they're made out of plastic.
They won't even fly in them.
That's how much they trust this whole composite carbon fiber crap.
Really?
Uh-huh.
And check this out.
So the Airbus, which is made out of plastic, it may not be...
Isn't the Dreamliner a plastic plane, too?
Yeah, that's also plastic.
According to the specs, these aircraft are not allowed on the runway if it's 125 degrees or more.
Now, it's already 111 in Kansas City.
Imagine some Arab dude picking up his Airbus, taking it to Rydia or wherever.
Yeah, Rydia.
Parking it out on the tarmac and it can easily be 125 degrees.
I mean, it doesn't seem...
That's what it is every day.
Yeah.
And it just starts to melt away.
So I'm like, wow, this is good inside information.
So this is the kind of stuff that I'm getting on the road, which is always entertaining.
They took us out to dinner at this fantastic South American joint where I had, what was it, papusas?
Have you ever heard of papusas?
I have heard of papusas.
Oh my God.
It was Salvadorian papusas.
In Wichita, Kansas, no less.
Yeah, it was nice.
And then, of course, I had to find a place to get a new muffler.
I found Kevin's American Muffler.
John, this was like a reality show.
This was like one of those paint my ride shows.
What's your problem here, boy?
Seriously, what you got going on?
And it was three guys exactly the same.
You know, like five feet tall, big beer belly, black clothes, bald head, big earrings, full of tats.
We'll hook you right up.
They threw in some chrome tips for me, too.
$400 later, I might add, I'm good to go.
Then we booked on over to Topeka, and of course Topeka, Kansas is where the state capitol is, and important because my great uncle, my grandfather's brother, John Stuart Curry, painted these huge murals inside the capitol building of John Brown.
Now John Brown, do you know the story behind him?
I used to.
John Brown was a famous abolitionist.
And he, essentially, he armed or he organized the citizens of places like Lawrence, Kansas, and, you know, kicked the Federalists out.
And they did it with pitchforks and muskets.
And so my...
This, by the way, was one of the progenitive, that's the right word, or one of the origins of the Tenth Amendment battle.
Correct.
Because this was a states' rights, Tenth Amendment states' rights issue when they roused the feds.
They just literally ran them out of town.
Get out.
And so John Brown was this really huge, larger-than-life guy.
And I guess my great-uncle was buddies with him, which makes so much sense, because he was basically an anti-government crackpot.
And so we go into the Capitol building, and they're going through security like a magnetometer or whatever.
And the guys say, oh, you're here to see the mural?
I say, yeah.
And of course, Mickey's like, yeah, this is Adam Curry.
You know, this is great.
I'm like, really?
He said, yeah.
And he said, oh, are you such a hard-nosed ass like Jon Stewart and Jon Brown?
I said, what do you mean?
I said, oh, well, wait until you see the murals, because John Stuart Curry would paint some of the senators as pigs' faces, which you can see on these murals.
I'm like, this makes so much sense, my lineage, my heritage.
Pigs totally make...
And these murals are fantastic to see them.
They're really big.
So Miss Mickey will be posting pictures of that on the Hot Pockets Tour Facebook page, itm.im.com.
That was good, by the way.
I go around...
When I'm traveling, I actually seek out art.
We tried to stop at the world's largest prairie dog, but we just didn't have time.
I would have actually...
I do seek out quality art, but I also seek out that sort of thing.
We tried.
Yeah, we tried.
The world's largest prairie dog is, I'm sure, a scam.
It's like a jackalope.
I think we'll catch it on the way back when we drive back from Colorado.
So then we went to our...
Oh, by the way, I need to thank...
Another producer in Wichita, it was Neil Smith, who he, and this was a, so all these guys are engineers, right?
And so John Lawrence said, well, you got to get this stuff, this wet wetter.
Have you ever heard of this?
No.
And so you put it into your radiator and it helps your car run cooler.
And it's some kind of like punch.
I don't know.
It looks like Hawaiian punch.
And so Neil brought a couple of bottles over and poured it in.
And it did seem to help, along with the muffler.
Yeah, everything seems to help when you're not really testing it.
Well, we had the...
So, you know, we drove to Topeka, then we drove to Lawrence, where we had our meet-up.
And it was well taken care of, actually.
It kept cool.
We were able to keep the air conditioning on, so you've still got to be careful just on how fast you go.
57 miles an hour seems to be optimum to keep it cool and running, which is not very fast.
No.
And we had a great meet-up there organized by Jason Baker, who organized, also paid for drinks and dinner from his Mickey and I. And we had a nice crowd, I'd say about 20 people.
People brought their kids who were also listeners and truly listeners of the show.
We had a nice dinner.
We had about 9 or 10 hours to go to Denver, so we decided to drive.
We left around 7.30 p.m., drove to Hayes, which is kind of halfway between Lawrence, Kansas, and Denver, and stayed at a COA campground.
A quick overnight, which was actually our first...
No, our second full-on night in the sin bin.
Quite comfortable.
And then we booked it on up and we did okay.
What do you call the sin bin?
You're married.
Yeah, but still sinful things take place.
Go on.
Okay.
Now, we have another slight issue with the truck.
What is it, EJV? Have you calculated the cost of a tow from boys?
Here's the Idaho towing the trailer back to Texas.
So first of all, I guess somewhere I picked up some bad gas, so it's pinging a bit and it doesn't want to start really well.
Oh, well, you know, we talked about this on the show before.
Yes, it's the blend.
It's the blend.
The blend's from place to place.
If you're down in the gullies and you go up in the mountains, your gas isn't going to work.
It was a crappy blend, so I've got to figure out something here.
But also, the power steering...
I think the valves are stuck or whatever, so you can't turn the wheel when the car is just idling.
You have to rev up the engine a little bit.
Oh, yeah.
It's just an old power steering unit just crapping out.
Yeah, I think the pump is...
I wouldn't worry about that.
No, because it's really not drivable.
Because with a trailer, it's okay because you need power anyway.
But we've got to change it.
So we're going to try and do that.
So anyway, we arrive here in Erie, which is just about 10 minutes south of Boulder.
And we're here staying with...
Hold on a second, let me just get all my notes together.
And by the way, when you're buying gasoline on a trip like this...
Don't go to any little cheap...
No offense to this.
I'm sure we have a few proprietors that own some of these little gas stations.
But generally speaking, they always buy...
It's a second-level grade that you get, especially outside of California, where by law they have to have detergents in the gasoline.
You get a second grade, and if it's a Russian-owned place...
No offense to Russians.
No offense to our Russians, but they tend to throw used diesel fuel and stuff into the thing because they don't give a crap about it.
Well, I'll tell you, between Lawrence and Denver, you're happy that you see any gas stations.
They're like, oh, there's one, finally.
I mean, there's not a lot.
There's no, like, chains on the side of the road.
So we're here at the...
Next gas, 187 miles.
Yeah.
So we're here.
The sin bin is parked outside the home of Chad Christie and Gage Christian.
Lovely family.
Christie's a dental hygienist.
They have a 15-month-old son, Gage, who loves dancing to all our jingles.
I have seen it firsthand.
He can't really speak yet, but he'll be cutting shut-up slave jingles soon.
No doubt about it.
And Chad, who actually didn't come home until this morning, 7 o'clock, Because he's on overtime duty.
He's an EMS paramedic and firefighter.
Oh?
Yeah.
And so he calls home last night, and I felt so insignificant.
And his wife's talking to him.
He's like, yeah, there's some lady.
She was basically dead, no pulse, no breathing.
I brought her back to life with CPR. I'm like...
I thought our show was important, but we suck.
We don't do anything.
This guy's bringing people back to life.
It brought someone back from the dead at some point, but you never know.
We have no proof of it.
And I learned a new term.
An EMS term.
Because last night he had a call around, I guess, 3 a.m.
Someone suffering from excited delirium.
Essentially, bath salts.
Oh!
Excited delirium.
When someone goes nuts and he says like five guys, we had to pull it down with five guys and shoot all kinds of stuff into them to get them to calm down.
Excited delirium.
I love it.
I think this is a great term.
And then tonight we've got a meet-up.
And then on...
Let me see.
Well, we're going to be around the Colorado area for a few days.
We'll do the Sunday show from here as well.
But we're going to Colorado Springs.
We're going near Aspen.
So we're just going to leave the box here.
And we're going to just drive around.
I think we're staying with some other people.
Or there's a cabin or whatever.
Ms.
Mickey keeps that all up to spec.
So, that's where we're at, and really, it's been fantastic.
If you look at the web, I don't know if you have, maybe you got a hold of Jay's account to look at Facebook, John, but we have that picture of your head on a stick.
Yeah, I can't get on Facebook.
I'm not a member.
It's fantastic.
You know, there's a thing known as the World Wide Web.
Yeah, yeah.
Which has just regular, you know, the No Agenda show site.
You could also just be thankful she's doing it at all.
No, I am.
I'm just saying that, you know, maybe you should wean her off of the Facebook.
When I understand, for example, the, and by the way, you have the skills to do this.
Because it forwarded the information, it still says Hot Pockets Tour 2008 on her Facebook page.
Yeah, you can't change that.
If you change the title of the Facebook page, then it breaks all your likes and your members, apparently.
It becomes a new page.
Oh, that's charming.
Thanks, Facebook, yeah.
What was I going to say?
I don't know.
Just learning a lot.
Did you eat anything good?
Well, besides the papusa, which was great, in Lawrence we had a great strip steak.
They were really big on their beef at the place when we were there.
There's a lot of good beef in the Midwest.
And by the way, because of the drought, everyone's talking about it, watch the beef prices plummet.
Because the farmers have to process their meat, otherwise the cattle will die.
Right, so there's going to be a lot of beef on the market overnight.
So yeah, it's been great.
So the head on a stick, that's what I wanted to say.
It's kind of like, have you ever seen the movie Weekend at Bernie's?
Where they have the dead guy.
Yeah, and they're waving his arms around.
Yeah, so your head on a stick is kind of like that.
You're popping up in every picture.
You're in the dune buggy.
I'm glad you found some use for my head.
You're in every group shot.
You're a beautiful man.
And we miss you.
We miss you on the road, as is everybody else.
But I always say this.
We miss you.
You should take it upon yourself.
Come meet us in Boise, man.
Come to the Boise.
Boise!
Boise!
I might go to Boise.
You could drive to Boise.
No, I couldn't.
It's not that far.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Well, fly to Boise.
You've got to go through Hell's Half Acre.
Which, whether or not you're ever going to visit that, I'm not sure from the direction you're going.
But, wow.
Yeah.
Half acre my butt.
What is Hell's Half Acre?
Hell's Half Acre, which is endless miles and miles of lava flow with no life at all.
It's like being on the moon.
Is there a gas station?
I don't think so.
Oh no!
Anyway, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, subs in the water, and feet in the air.
And in the morning to all of our human resources in the chat room, all lined up, ready to go.
We see that you are quickly depleting your $9.2 million in lifetime value.
Good to have you here.
NoagendaStream.com, NoagendaChat.net.
Despite...
The travels.
I've been able to collect a lot of stuff.
There's some interesting things happening.
I came up short, I think.
Really?
No, I'm good, man.
I have a couple of...
I finally got to the bottom of the badminton thing, which was...
Yeah, so this is the...
Now, of course, we know all professional sports are rigged, and the Olympics could be no different, and you have done some digging on this?
Well, a little bit.
There's a couple things that happened.
In the background, people haven't been watching these idiotic Olympics.
They missed out on the big scandal, which is four or eight people, four pairs of doubles, Asian players, all got kicked out of the Olympics for trying to lose.
Gee, gee, and badminton is such an important sport.
Badminton is actually, you know, we used to play that when I was in high school.
It's hardcore.
It's a good game.
Yeah, it's hardcore.
And people, they mock it.
Oh, it's dumb.
It's like, you know, but you go play badminton against someone who knows what they're doing and you'll be lucky to score a point.
Yeah, that's true.
And so what happened was, and some guy from Belgium actually hinted at this, and then the only place I could find a good explanation for it for people out there, and we should probably put it in the show notes, is in Salon Magazine.
The guy outlined exactly what the problem was.
The problem boils down to this.
The Chinese are the absolute best badminton people in the world, period.
Yeah, why is that?
For genetics?
For genetics?
No, it's become a fad in the country since 1980, apparently.
And there's a lot of rationales for it.
Some of it's explained in the Salon article.
Well, anyway, the point is that the Chinese are so good that because Denmark won a match against somebody and screwed up the way the thing was going to finalize...
To play for a gold medal, the Chinese were going to end up having to play against their two teams.
They're going to have to play against each other, and that means one would get a gold and the other one would get like a bronze or something.
You wouldn't get the silver because of the way the tournament was set up.
So to avoid this structure, one of the Chinese teams had to throw a match to get into a different group of people to play.
Huh.
Like the losers round.
Right.
Because they feel they're the best in the world, and they should walk away with a gold and a silver.
And if the goal is to win the best medal you can win, and it takes losing...
Then so be it.
Then so be it.
And this was not a...
These were the matches that only determined the final matchups.
It didn't count to your total score.
It was just like to put you in a certain order.
So they had to lose.
So they started playing the South Koreans.
I think it was the South Koreans.
And they started losing.
And the South Koreans figured it out.
So they decided, you know, what's going on?
So they decided to throw the game, too.
So you had these two teams.
It's like our politics.
Democrats or Republicans want to win.
So they're trying to both, and meanwhile, the real kicker here, and I still haven't gotten the ticket price, but apparently these matches were sold out, or there was enough tickets sold, and somebody said there may be up to $300 you pay to watch a badminton game where these guys are just dumping it into the net on every shot.
So they started booing him.
Yeah, I love it.
That's awesome.
But, you know, meanwhile, the Olympics guys...
So people demanded their money back, and it was a big mess.
And so they threw him out of the tournament, which, in fact, as the Belgian guy said, this was the Olympics' fault.
They're the ones who set it up like this.
And to get a silver, a gold-silver combination with two teams, if you have to lose a match, that's what you do.
So they shouldn't have been penalized.
This whole thing is just typical.
I mean, the Japanese...
Job the Ukrainians in men's gymnastics.
Okay.
Anyway.
So you got a clip?
No.
No, I do.
I have the clip about the, let's see, what do I have?
Bad Man of Scandal?
Yeah, that's just the background.
I should have played it before I yacked.
Alright, so we'll leave it out.
Yeah, just leave.
Hey, why don't we thank some producers before we move on?
Because I think the list is short today.
Well, we got, talking about getting shorted by the Olympics, we got shorted too.
We only have two producers.
Actually, we have one.
Oh, you have some?
Yeah, I have an executive producer.
That would be actually the family.
Hold on a second here.
This is from our Lawrence meetup.
Eric and Lori Swim.
$300.
Eric and Lori Swim.
$300.
She writes in a lot.
Yes, she does.
She does, in fact.
You're right.
She made some wonderful oven mitts for me.
She made oven mitts for you?
Yeah, handmade.
They're beautiful.
Actually, she has a card.
Let me read the card for a second.
To Mickey and Adam, wishing you all the best things in life, but first, you just have to weather this challenging road trip.
Adam, a woman who would take this kind of trip as a quasi-honeymoon must be pure gold.
Take good care of her.
Mickey, the potholders are for those times you need your crackpot to just put a lid on it.
Hold on a second.
In the morning.
Thanks for all you do.
We love the show.
Eric and Lori Swim.
Beautiful card.
And they are donating the $300 towards Eric's knighthood.
And they had their son there, who was also...
He's kind of a crackpot, actually, I thought.
I thought it was more crackpot than buzzkill.
So they do check in as the only executive producer on today's show, I believe.
Yeah, then we have three associate executive producers.
Louisville, Kentucky.
We have AnswerMaven.
No comment.
John Johnson.
And he came in with $250.
John Johnson Jr.
at $222.22 in the morning.
Heard you mention the show Rubicon a few times.
So I went looking for it.
It isn't available anywhere.
Netflix, iTunes, and Amazon.
Amazon does have it for stream now.
Okay.
So if you go to Amazon, you will find it.
And he wants some karma for his smoking hot fiancé, Candace.
You've got karma.
And I do find it odd that they didn't put it on DVD. But, yeah, I was looking for it, and I found it on Amazon.
They have this streaming thing.
If you're an Amazon Prime member, you get all this television stuff.
Yeah, a lot of it for free.
And Rubicon's free.
Lucas Taema in Ustgist.
Oestgeest.
Oestgeest.
Lucas Tejema.
Lucas Tama.
Seems to be a good moment to donate some extra money.
Keep up the good work.
Please tell the slaves in the Netherlands that there's an option to more liberty for the September 12th elections in the Netherlands.
The Liberace Partage.
The Liberty Party.
Oh, no, no.
It's the Libertarische Partage.
Which would be the Libertarian.
Oh, it's the Libertarian.
Yeah.
Libertarische Partage.
Huh.
Say it.
Libertarische Partage.
Libertarische Partage.
Awesome.
No, no, no.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Love it.
Yeah.
And that's it.
So those are executive producers, yeah.
Associate executive producers.
Yeah, we came up a little short today, unfortunately.
Well, it is, of course, July.
No, it's August.
What am I talking about?
The dog days.
The dog days of summer.
What we do appreciate are executive producers and associate executive producers.
As you know, these credits are absolutely 100% real.
They're just as valid as Hollywood.
But unlike the phonies there, we will actually vouch for you if you want us to.
And you can always go out and propagate our formula.
Our formula is this.
we go out we hit people in the mouth so i did come across something rather interesting and i actually have to prop miss mickey for catching it i
I'd seen the news, I'd followed it for two days, and then she said, you know, there's something going on here, and this is the power outage in India.
And this was pretty big, this power outage.
Yes, it was.
600 million people without power.
And by the way, you've got to think about this.
Now, of course, not to jump what you're going to say, but you know there's a new TV show coming out about this.
What's the TV show?
This is J.J. Abrams' new show.
It's called Revolutions or something like that.
And what is it about?
Electricity in the world stops working.
Excellent.
Now, I don't know how far you'd go to promote something like this, but in terms of you blow up the Indian power grid, because you get a lot of publicity for the idea.
But you've got to think about...
Well, there's a couple things.
There's a couple things.
I just want people to think about you're in an elevator.
How about on these trains, man?
We've got people hanging off.
You're in a train.
Oh, my goodness.
You're in a subway, and it's dark, and it's stopped.
You're on the operating table.
Just as something you could mention.
Well, they did say that most small businesses and probably hospitals in this part of India are so used to brownouts and blackouts that they all have generators.
Yeah, but for us, you know, even if you have a generator or some other alternative power source, the internet's not going to work.
That's going to be down.
Yes.
Yeah, at least in that area.
So, of course, we have a problem with India, and the problem is no one listens, no one gives a crap about us there.
We have one producer...
I think.
Right?
One?
Yeah, and I think he lives here.
Yeah, you'd make it even better.
And we guilted him into it.
We did get one to 500 rupees, I think, in cash, which I still have, which I think is four bucks.
So we really don't know a lot, and we don't get a lot of feedback, so I just read around as much as I could.
And I got a report from Reuters.
And this is from the power secretary who stated the following.
Of course, people are saying, oh, the grid is no good, there's not enough power, and this is kind of what I latched onto initially.
But he says, the hype that states are overdrawing is the reason for the collapse is not right.
He says it's too early to say exactly what happened.
When the grid collapsed, the frequency was 50.2 hertz, which is normal.
Had states been overdrawing, the frequency would have dropped well below that level.
So I'm like, huh.
Okay.
I like the point.
Now, Mickey said, Ms.
Mickey, who was...
Been on the road with me too long, clearly.
She says, you know, maybe this was some kind of test to see how people would react.
Like, okay, maybe.
Well, I did find that on the exact same day, the first part of the outage came, the Turkmenistan president...
took the TAPI pipeline roadshow on the road to promote the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline, which is clearly needed in order for them to have the natural gas to create enough electricity for all of the slaves there.
So I'm like, okay, that's kind of interesting.
There could be something to it.
It's like, hey, you want to be without power?
You don't want to hurry this along?
You've got to get Pakistan more on board?
We've got to build this thing?
We've got to drone all the people who are trying to stop progress as we go through Waziristan in western Pakistan?
Maybe, possibly.
I couldn't find too much else.
But then I took a glance at C-SPAN. And there was a huge debate going on on the Hill about the cyber bill.
The cyber security bill.
Nice story going.
Yeah, I pulled a couple of clips.
Now, these clips are just by themselves are amazing, but I'm going to wind it up with Harry Reid, who, of course, is the douche of all douches.
This is Mark Udall.
I think he's from Colorado, actually, about the cyber bill.
Now, remember, we've read through a version of this.
No one has seen the version they're actually debating on, and I'll get to that in a second.
First, Mark Udall on how important it is.
As if we see the danger in front of us, but yet we cannot find the courage to face it.
But Congress cannot afford to wait for a 9-11 sized attack in order to act.
Now, let me ask you a question.
How can...
I mean, is a cyber attack going to bring down buildings?
Are planes going to fall out of the sky?
Will people be jumping out of windows to their death?
I mean, is that...
How do I equate a cyber 9-11 to a 9-11 sized attack?
I think it's doable.
Will you explain it?
Please.
You know when those buildings came down?
Yeah.
A lot of bank records disappeared.
Right.
I understand.
That was all that was apparently important.
I understand that.
And so the cyber attack would take out the bank records.
The same thing.
Oh yeah, people died in the 9-11 thing, but we're not talking about that.
The whole thing is about banks.
Oh, okay.
I got it.
I got it.
Makes sense.
Good one, by the way.
Another track we got to follow.
Waiting for a catastrophic act, something that military and intelligence leaders and a bipartisan collection of national security experts are warning us against, is the exact opposite of leadership and the exact opposite of what our constituents expect us to do here.
Okay, so now this is very scary because it's 9-11-like and we're all going to die.
Then we get Grassley.
And he starts to unfold some very interesting information about what I thought they were now discussing, this Cybersecurity Act of 2012, which we have read, but we haven't read what they're actually talking about, nor have they.
The bill before us was introduced 13 days ago, and it was only pending on the floor for four days before the motion for torture was filed.
It didn't go through the normal committee process.
It wasn't debated or amended.
Instead, it was brought straight to the floor.
And we're being forced to consider under a very right schedule.
Talking about the danger of cyber attacks for years isn't the same as discussing the impact of the actual text of the bill, which could become law.
The words on the 212 pages of the bill are what must be analyzed and analyzed in detail by the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group.
In fact, no one Except a handful of senators actually knows what the bill says or might say.
And, of course, that's a process.
How do you like that?
They don't know what it says.
He admits it.
I thought they had assistants to read these things and brief them on.
No, it hasn't even been released.
They've just been hiding it.
Accomplishers, or at least tries to accomplish.
We need full process, and unfortunately that has not happened, and it doesn't look like it will happen.
And why won't it happen?
Because the majority leader has limited debate.
This week, we were told that a group of senators and their staff were working on a compromise.
Again, that's something that all of us as a body don't know much about.
We need an open debate in order to process this, as opposed to huddled backroom meetings.
So, huddled backroom meetings, that's how it's all being done by the most transparent government in the universe.
Exactly as you'd expect it to be.
Paperwork that has been put in 13 days ago.
I haven't seen it.
It's not available.
It's all been secret.
So I'm sure it's not what we've read previously, but I will keep my eyes out for the new version of the bill.
And then we get Harry Reid, Mr.
Meme Fest, who will, of course, re-invoke the 9-11 and tell you why it is so important, so incredibly important to pass this legislation now.
My perspective, I'd say about a three.
Keep in mind, one is totally unprepared.
Ten is totally prepared.
Three is what he said.
One of the country's top national security experts gave us three out of ten, a failing grade by any standard.
He went on to say the type of cyber attacks that could black out the United States for weeks or months.
Oh!
A cyber attack that could black out the United States for weeks or months.
Your timing is uncanny.
We're up to 17-fold in the last three years.
The nation's top security experts have said a cyber 9-11 is imminent.
Woo-hoo!
Imminent!
I wish I'd known you had this because I would have dug up that old clip from two or three years ago where Feinstein was at the front of the Congress and she had all these experts.
She had the head of national intelligence, head of naval intelligence, head of military, everything.
And is a cyber attack or is another 9-11 attack imminent?
Yeah, I remember that clip.
In the next six months.
I remember that clip.
I can look for it.
And they all said yes.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Definitely.
It's going to happen any minute.
And how long ago was this?
It was a couple years ago, two, three years ago.
Let me see.
Imminent.
Maybe I just get lucky.
Let me see if imminent pops up.
No, I don't think I'm going to get lucky.
Anyway, let me continue with Reid because he really lays it out.
And they say frailties in our defenses against these attacks are most urgent.
They're a threat to our national security.
Nothing is more important.
By the way, nothing is more important.
Nothing is more important.
This guy is such a douchebag.
You know, this bill is obviously covering up probably some more ways of spying on the public.
Oh yeah, stay tuned.
Last night, I filed cloture on legislation to reinforce our defenses.
What is cloture exactly?
That's a procedure, I guess?
That's a procedure to make it so you can't do a filibuster on the Senate floor.
It's a procedure to ram something through, is what you're saying.
Well, you can't do it with the way it's structured right now.
I don't know what he's talking about.
Glance against these malicious attackers.
Some are countries, some are organizations, some are individuals.
No, countries, organizations, and individuals, John.
National security experts have been playing about the urgent need to act.
Urgent need to act.
They say the question is not whether to act, but whether we will act in time.
Oh.
In time!
Run for the exits!
One need only look at the headlines of papers all over America today.
All over the world today.
As we speak, 600 million people in India are without electricity.
Okay, good catch.
Give them a douchebag, will you please?
I'm telling you, how about Stuxnet, baby?
How about they say, you know what, we've got to pass this thing, we've got to ram it through, fire up Stuxnet, work on the SCADA controllers, bring her down.
It's entirely possible.
He's got like another 30 seconds, which is worth listening to.
Now, it's not believed there was any terrorism involved in that.
However, I'm leaving that open-ended.
It's believed it relates to the unusual weather.
Unusual weather.
No, that's not what the Secretary said.
He didn't say anything of the kind, in fact.
Probably many experts say on global warming.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's global warming.
Yes.
Let's just throw that in there.
Why not read?
They had such heat, indeed, which has put a tremendous burden on their fragile...
It's not fragile.
Power system.
Power system.
This legislation that we're trying to finish here, Madam President, has been worked on for years.
Oh yeah, sure.
Worked on for years.
Bullcrap.
Bullcrap and...
Douchebag!
So, I did clip show.
I got one more clip here.
This is the...
Actually, I think this is a pretty good outfit.
By the way, since we were talking about India, J.C. and Buzzkill Jr.
did come in to tell us that it was a bookstore.
I think we have around 3,000 active producers.
We have four that are Indian.
Oh, okay.
So it's not one.
It's not one.
So that is 0.01%?
That's great.
It's four.
And we want to thank them profusely.
Yeah.
So there's this outfit, the Center for Democracy and Technology.
Which I think might actually be a 5013 C-Corp that is good.
I haven't been able to find anything nasty.
What's the name of him again?
It is the Center for Democracy and Technology.
And they're working on some amendments to the cybersecurity bill.
And it's not so much the amendments, but he was on the Washington Journal, which is that call-in show that our producers never call into and say in the morning, but they should.
Yeah.
I don't understand why we can't get him to do that.
Because it's a great show.
And he mentioned something that I didn't even know.
For those of you using Gmail or Hotmail, you might want to listen to this little ditty.
Well, certainly, privacy is challenged by a fan.
So, of course, he's talking about...
The cybersecurity bill, as he knows it, where companies will be allowed to share your information with the government just in case, you know, you might have some kind of carers.
But, of course, they will be indemnified from doing so.
So you can't sue the company like Google or Yahoo or Microsoft for sharing your private information with the government.
This is in technology.
But the answer to that problem is not to throw up our hands, but rather to make sure that the laws keep up with technology.
One of the amendments that the Senate may consider is one to update the Electronic Communications Privacy Act.
Right now, under that law, if an email message is sitting in your inbox for more than 180 days, it's available to the government with a subpoena.
Most people don't know that.
They think that the government has to go to court and get an order and prove probable cause to a judge.
We're trying to update that statute.
Did you know that?
No, but I wish they'd go get my old AOL box, which has got to be more than 180 days old and filled with so much spam!
That would be great.
So, this is a perfect storm.
Dvorak at AOI. I never use it, by the way.
Don't send me an email there, but there it is.
So, if it's been in your inbox, i.e.
in your Googles, in your Gmails.
Yeah, because people don't erase their inbox.
They're encouraged to keep them on Google.
Exactly, to keep it searchable.
And it's all indexed for the Fed's convenience.
Yeah, boom.
Let's see if there's any references here to the bombing.
To the bombing?
No, I mean, that's what you'd look up.
Bombing.
Bombing of what?
No, just anything.
You'd look up bombing.
If I was a Fed and I got your email, I would type in search.
The first thing I'd type in would be bombing.
How about fertilizer?
Try fertilizer.
I would probably do that.
You'd probably have some fertilizer.
I start at the top.
Bombing, assassination.
Are you searching?
I go at the top searches and then you go down.
You drill down.
Even though you know they discovered, this is, I wrote a column about this, apparently college students don't know how to use Google.
Oh?
The whole country has deteriorated in its ability to do a simple search.
Oh.
So I'm assuming the feds don't know how to do it either.
They won't put bombing in there.
Okay.
Do you still have AOL floppy disks?
Okay.
Well, this you'll think is silly.
Although I have to say I'm not actually sure where the collection is, but I made a collection of all of the ones I could.
All the pretty colors?
Over time, because I figure at some point it's got to go into the Smithsonian.
Okay.
You are a hoarder, aren't you?
It's official.
It's official.
Borderline hoarder.
It's bad.
That's good, though, man.
We need people like you.
Archivists.
I need some...
Yeah, I'm not a hoarder.
I'm an archivist.
Yeah, try that on Mimi.
Yeah, it's an archivist.
So there was a...
Well, let me just stick on the hill for a second.
Because Douchebag Reed brought up the global warming.
Inhofe got up, and he just said something that just kind of tickled me when I heard him.
I didn't know he was like this.
I guess I did, but I didn't know he actually went up and said it.
In a different state.
Talking about being somewhat critical of my position on global warming, which everybody knows I've been involved in for some 12 years since the Kyoto Treaty, which was never before us.
Nonetheless, I appreciated the fact that we had a chance to resurrect that issue because, to my knowledge, nobody has uttered the term global warming since 2009.
I love how he does this.
Yeah, nice.
It's been completely refuted in most areas.
But I'm pleased, I was pleased to hear my good friend from Vermont talking about it.
Because he and I have a very honest relationship with each other.
A total disagreement.
And we're able to go over those things.
And then again today, two things happened.
First of all, we had the senior senator from Massachusetts came down to the floor and was quite critical of me and anyone who was a skeptic.
I think it's important to realize that, to understand, so you understand when we're talking, what we're referring to.
Those people who really believe that the world's coming to an end because of global warming and that's all due to man-made anthropogenic gases.
We call those people alarmists.
Those people, like myself, who has looked at it very carefully and have come to the conclusion that that isn't happening.
Now watch them wrap it up.
And that the fact that, or the assertion, that global warming is occurring today, and it's occurring because of the release of CO2 and anthropogenic gases, methane, and such as that, That's not a...
Those people are...
It's really a hoax, which I said way back in 2003.
This became quite a charge to a lot of people.
A hoax that is...
The fact that all this is happening is due to man-made gases.
I really believe it's the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the American people.
Hey, man.
Hey, hey.
Don't be a denier.
The science is in.
Science!
Meanwhile, we've got another guy out there doing the rounds, Richard Muller, who is a former climate denier, denouncer, denialist.
He's flipped sides.
Yeah, I know.
This is big news.
Yeah, but I caught him.
I figured out what this is all about.
Okay.
He was on...
Now, I did not watch this, but someone sent me the clip.
It was on the Rachel Maddow show.
And she's just delighted.
You know, oh yeah, he's flip sides.
And it's so obvious the guy is still a complete shill.
Given what you see in the correlation between carbon dioxide and temperatures, do you think that the...
The level of reduction we'd have to have in carbon dioxide is so great in order to affect temperature that it would have to be a global economic shock, or would we be able to reduce carbon dioxide in a way that you think could be economically sustainable but would still really affect temperature?
I think there are two key things that we can do.
One of them is a global effort towards energy efficiency and conservation.
Right.
That makes sense.
We should do that anyway.
It's realistic.
But the biggest thing is, and this will be controversial, the biggest thing is a switch away from coal into the one thing that can replace it.
Oh, let me guess.
What, what, what, what, what?
Natural gas.
In the poor countries which are going to produce most of the carbon dioxide, i.e.
India, Pakistan, China, natural gas.
There you go.
There you go.
The guy's clearly a shill for the industry.
Yeah, he's working for T-bone pickings.
Yeah, or still for the Koch brothers, whatever.
One of them.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
It's all a scam.
These guys are just a bunch of money grubbers.
That was a good one.
Not quite clip-of-the-day worthy yet, but...
Hardly.
So, the one...
There was a study that was done.
I didn't get a clip of it, but I thought twice about it.
It was that important.
But NPR and the NewsHour, they had this...
Because you mentioned poor countries.
Apparently, some huge report came out.
It was a big deal.
They spent tons of money to find out that in poor neighborhoods...
Most of the people that live there are low income and in rich neighborhoods.
Most of the people that live there are higher above median income.
Now, this is a $17 million report and accompanying website that they used to come up with this amazing information.
Yeah, it was stunning and they gave it a whole block.
Wow.
On the News Hour.
Wow.
Discussing this.
And it was like, wow, yeah, there's no diversity anymore.
Really?
And it's not about race anymore.
It's about income disparity.
Income.
Yeah.
Oh, I love it.
We switched from...
Awesome.
There's two memes I've been noticing going around.
One is that one, which is racism doesn't mean anything anymore.
You know, hence Obama doesn't need to help the black people.
Yeah.
By the way, which I think is the underlying reason for that.
Uh-huh.
Because, you know, he's done nothing for the black community.
No.
And the other meme I keep running into is that people shouldn't be going to college.
No.
They should be going to community colleges.
And trade school.
In fact, I'll have a special long kind of a breakout of a rehearsed bit that was on the CBS morning show with Charlie Rose and some other people.
And it was promoting this idea.
Well, trade school is going to be the next thing, but right now it's community colleges.
And this, of course, is the reason for this, the basic reason.
So we can educate foreign nationals in our big universities.
Yeah, because they got the money.
They got the money, and they also set up shop overseas.
And they got cash.
They got cash.
They got cash.
No loans, just cash.
Beautiful cash.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
By the way, while you're on the topic of the global warming, I do have a clip.
Okay.
And I got it.
It's the new normal clip, which is at the bottom of the list.
I'm just watching this report about the drought, and this idiot comes in.
And here we go again.
The soybean crop is rated very poor to poor.
66% of the nation's hay fields are in drought.
So is 73% of the cattle land.
This could be the new normal in the United States.
And so we need to plan ahead because we know, and the science tells us, that under a changing climate, droughts will be more frequent and more intense across the United States.
The NRDC says 60% of the states have no such plans.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
By the way, didn't we hear this when Katrina hit?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That the new normal was going to be these massive hurricanes wiping out or just ruining these cities down in the Gulf area.
Yeah.
It was the new normal.
So, to me, the new normal is there's always a new normal.
Well, I'll tell you what the new normal is, and this is more your neck of the woods.
And I've been reading reports about this for going on, this is the second week, about the militarized cops in Anaheim, which I think is also part of the new normal.
Have you followed this story at all?
What's been going on?
I followed a little bit of it, but you obviously have something.
I have a clip.
So, the way I understand it, the cops tried to apprehend, maybe stop and frisk, a citizen of Anaheim, California.
That's where Disneyland is.
The happiest place on earth.
And so he ran away and they shot him in the back of the head and they killed him.
And a lot of residents saw this happen.
They got it on their cell phones and they're like, hey, this is bull crap.
It's not just police brutality, it's police killing.
Murder.
Yeah, murder.
So they stage a protest, and the cops come out.
John, except for the word police on their uniform, they're soldiers.
They've got, like, just amazing hardware that they're, and even in camos, like they're getting ready to go to Afghanistan.
I mean, you need camouflage on the streets of Anaheim?
Here's the report.
Chaos and violence in the streets of Anaheim.
Anaheim police firing rubber bullets confront a crowd of terrified children, parents, and angry residents near La Palma and Acacia.
Then one officer unleashes a snarling police dog, which attacks a mother holding her child in this bystander.
By the way, this is video you've got to see in the show notes, 431.nashownotes.com.
It's rough, man.
This dog just jumps.
There's a mom sitting on a lawn chair with her baby, and this dog just, like, attacks.
They just started shooting and I was with my son and the dog just came.
Talk about what happened.
They just released the dog and I had my baby and my...
And my stroller and the dog just scratched me with his teeth and then just grabbed me.
It all started around 4 o'clock this afternoon when police shot this man, known in the community as Stomper.
Police say he was one of three men who took off running when they approached him earlier in the afternoon.
What exactly happened during the shooting, we don't know.
We're still investigating that.
But the shooting occurred and the...
Of course we don't know.
...was taken to a local hospital.
But neighbors who saw the shooting say police overreacted.
Then they confronted the officers, demanding answers.
That's when the pandemonium broke out.
We just started shooting.
Again.
No, we don't have no guns.
Nothing.
I just got scared.
I just saw water bottles get thrown in the air.
They just started shooting everyone.
They shot a little kid too.
And back live once again, you're looking west on La Palma.
This is where police have just broken up a small protest where some citizens had set up a dumpster fire and even shut down the street.
Now, out here, there were dozens of people who had their cell phones, and at least four different people told me that police officers offered to buy their video from them without any explanation.
Of course, that's all part of this investigation as it continues to develop out here in Anaheim.
So, by now, have you Googled any pictures of these cops?
I'm sorry?
Have you Googled any pictures of these cops, the way they look?
Oh, yeah.
No, I saw that part.
Yeah, it's terrible.
But what are we getting for?
Well, I think we need a no-fly zone over Anaheim, right now.
That's right.
President Obama should be calling for that.
An Anaheim no-fly zone.
This is a police state, and this is what you see.
I mean, does it surprise anybody that put up with this crap?
I mean, I've been to...
I forgot what it was.
In some town, just casually, there was a small local parade.
And in the parade, there was the SWAT team.
It's just a little town.
Because they get all this federal money.
And so they're told to buy all this equipment.
So they buy SWAT gear and tanks.
And there was a little tank that went buying all these people in the town.
They got their flags, American flags, and they're cheering.
Because they're idiots.
Yeah.
Yay!
Just don't beanbag me, bro.
It's really bad.
I think they're gearing up.
I mean, on the last episode, we heard that the feds are taking over police departments.
They're telling them to get all this militarized gear.
I mean, what are we waiting for?
Is there something coming?
This is like, was it Kelly Keisling, Republican in the Tennessee State Legislature?
We forwarded an email, a crackpot email, by the way, which we've heard for a long time.
Unbelievable election rumor!
The rumor in question states that Obama and the Department of Homeland Security are planning a, quote, series of events that may lead to martial law being imposed to delay the election.
Yeah.
Which, by the way, we heard...
They don't need to do that.
Yeah, we heard this with George W. Bush as well, the same...
Yeah, they did that one and they're going to crown themselves king.
Yeah, the same.
But the Department of Homeland Security does have 400 million rounds of hollow-point bullets that they ordered.
That's not for target practice.
I wonder if they did it over the Internet.
So, there's this thing called the Homeland Security Grant Program.
You find it in the Wikipedia.
And it is part of...
Let's see.
It's called...
What is this?
It's called Stone Garden Funds.
And Anaheim got a big chunk of it.
So they built up this military.
You put a military in your little town...
And what are you going to get?
Military action.
You might as well.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like an invasion.
Nah, it's not good.
But meanwhile, something that you alerted me to, I'm going to say, two years ago, two years ago, on this very program, sometimes known as...
The best podcast in the universe.
The war on mail comes to a head.
Dennis Kucinich, crackpot Democrat, comes out on the House floor and is P.O.ed.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7 of the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the responsibility to establish and ensure operational postal service.
Today, August 1st, 2012, 234 years after the Constitution was ratified, Congress is presiding over the disestablishment of the Postal Service.
Today, a manufactured default created by Congressional legislation is pushing the Postal Service to the brink.
Today, the Postal Service will not make a payment that it should have never had to make in the first place to pay for pre-funding 75 years of retiree health benefits in 10 years.
A manufactured default.
Encouraged by banks and other interest groups.
A move towards privatization of one of America's most vital services.
You know...
The Congress has a responsibility to stand up.
But here in the USA, under Citizens United, everything is up for auction, including the Postal Service.
Wake up, America.
Universal Service is on the line.
Wake up, America, and stand up for the Constitution, 575,000 Postal Service workers, and our obligation to the American people to see to it that the Postal Service is rescued from those who want to push it into default or privatize it for their own problems.
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Yeah, we got him out anyway.
Yeah, let's get rid of that guy.
I was in trouble.
You didn't get my joke, by the way.
My P.O. joke.
Oh, P.O.? Yeah.
I didn't.
You're right.
I get it now.
I thought it was good.
Now that should telegraph me the punchline.
Yeah, that's right.
75 years to get it pre-fund.
75 years.
I was thinking about this.
You know, because of an earlier report that you just gave us on how they can just go look at Google Mail and whatever.
Yeah.
You know, the U.S. Postal Service, and we're looking at a scam right now that the Bank of America is trying to pull on us.
Who's we?
Me and Mimi.
Oh, okay.
But we'll report on that later, but after we make a fuss about it in a certain way.
Okay.
But the point is, is that the banks have been doing this.
They send you something by mail and then they make all these claims.
And then when they send you something by, then they'll send you something by FedEx, which would be illegal if they send it by mail.
Oh, because you can't tamper with the mail.
No, it's not tampering.
It's also wire fraud.
You can't.
You can't make fraudulent offers or phony deals in the U.S. mail.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, that's...
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
They're really going to go all out now.
Yeah, so let's get rid of the mail because it's got all these barriers to scamming the public out of the last dollar in their wallet.
You can't scam them over the mail anymore.
You never could, but you can over FedEx because FedEx will deliver anything to you.
So, now, the one thing that's important to note here is that the Postal Service is actually in the Constitution, right?
This is a big deal.
Yeah, it is.
That's the fly in the ointment.
Right, because this is not like other countries where it's constitutional...
It's constitutional...
What's the word I'm looking for?
It's part of the law of the land that we have the U.S. Postal Service, and that's, I guess, so that your mail can't be tampered with, you can't commit wire fraud or mail fraud.
Right, and you can have cheap communications.
And you have cheap communication, which is private.
And so now, and I'm sure, you know, he's, Kucinich is saying, you know, privatize for their own benefit.
Sure, I'm sure that's true.
But at the same time, it goes much further.
Yeah, it is another step toward a pure police state where everything you do, I can't even send you a private letter that is just not looked at because everything now is open for the government snoops.
I mean, just everyone will be snooping on everything.
You might as well just give up when you close the post office down.
So I guess they defaulted on their payment.
They said, fuck it, we're not paying anymore.
Yeah.
And like Kostina said, it was a phony payment to begin with.
They created a situation.
They made them pay 75 years in advance, pre-funded retirement.
How do you do that?
Yeah, well...
You've been saying it for years.
I've heard you talking about this on this very program.
Yes, I have.
And I think two or three shows ago, you mocked me for it.
I've never mocked you for it.
I've never mocked you for it.
I've always been in awe of your prowess.
And the fact that you just confused me with Horowitz hurts.
That's a sting.
I don't know.
I'm going to have to listen to the last show.
That's a sting, man.
I can't believe you said that.
I'm sorry.
I apologize.
By the way, tell Horowitz Curry was right.
Facebook.
It's going to be a $17 stock.
I was right.
I said $17.
You're way off.
I said $17.
I know.
I'm saying $17.
You're saying $17?
No, I think intrinsically it's worth $17.
What is it now?
What is it today?
Some guy did the math on this.
It's $7.
That's what a stock is worth.
What is it today?
I don't know.
Because I said within five months, eight.
Eight.
It's an eight.
I don't know what it is.
I'm not going to look it up.
I don't care.
It was so funny.
I listened to like a douche.
I listened to the, before we left, I listened to the investor call.
You know, I love investor calls.
It's a 20 right now.
And Cheryl, what's her name?
Sideberg?
Sidewinder?
I don't know.
The COO of Facebook.
Oh, I don't know.
Cheryl.
Cheryl.
So, at a certain point, she congratulates Martha on her appointment as CEO of Yahoo.
She says Martha, but not Melissa?
She says Martha.
Martha?
Yeah.
I didn't have time to go back and get a recording.
Oh, that's a great one.
But it's in there.
And I want to congratulate Martha on her position at Yahoo.
I'm like, really?
My good pal, Martha.
My good buddy, Martha.
When we did the executive producer, did we remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA? I don't think so.
Dvorak.org slash NA. We did not.
I apologize.
That was bad of me, and now we will not do well.
So I am looking at NBC again.
Good.
Someone's got to.
So they're opening up.
Let me just do a little medley of clips.
Okay.
They're opening up in London.
Brian Williams, there's a drought going on, but he has to go to London.
Obviously, just to keep promoting this idiotic Olympics because NBC is just up to their ears in this crap.
But start off at the beginning so we get a feeling for what's going on and how the big story's not even in London, but play Nightly News in London.
Tonight, we thought that was him.
The over-the-top mayor of London gets stuck over the top of the crowd.
Nightly News from London begins now.
Attention!
Real news coming your way.
Slaves, this is very important.
Look at Boris Johnson's crotch.
This is NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams.
Reporting tonight from the Olympic Summer Games in London.
And good evening once again from this global gathering here in London, where tonight, just as quickly, we turn our sights right back to the U.S., specifically the crippling and history-making drought we're in the midst of.
Why are we in London?
Why are you in London?
Why are they in London?
Go back to the United States.
I was going to say, I love how everyone is routing around NBC, setting up proxy servers and VPNs.
Screw those guys.
You created a bug by trying to...
This is why I have so much faith in the open network that is the internet.
They just seem like, oh, we're going to block everything.
No, you're not.
Bitches, no way.
You can't do that.
It's not possible anymore.
Anyway.
So I'm watching this thing, and this is to me, I'm thinking, this is a news organization.
And everybody else, and I listen mostly now to Van Katz and Euronews.
To publish up in your French, yeah.
So yeah, well, so I can say it 25 different ways.
So this is a news organization.
This clip is Brian Williams now safe to rejoin us.
He's talking about the Olympics, and he...
Instead of giving us the news, he plays this silly game with the audience.
For our host nation here, the UK Team GB, Kevin Tipples, thanks.
And as these games progress, the medal counts are climbing.
And if for you just seeing the overall medal count would be a spoiler of any kind, look away now for just a moment.
We'll just show you the tally so far.
For the top five nations, here is where we stand going into tomorrow's competition.
As we wrap up tonight, it's now safe to rejoin us.
And still ahead as we continue. - No, wait, it's you what he said.
It's now safe to rejoin us.
It's now safe.
Was it dangerous?
How is it now safe?
It's highly dangerous.
How is it now safe to rejoin us?
It's now safe.
You can look at the screen again.
Come back, stupid slave.
Shut up, slave!
While we're on that, if I can just interject a quick little clip about the Olympics, about the bogus nature of all of this coverage.
This is from NPR. This is the sound designer.
Now, John and I are big audio guys, and we love dissecting reports, how audio is like, for instance, you hear this plane overhead right now.
I mean, if I were to produce this program and make it sound like I'm being attacked by Japanese zeros, I would put that in and fake it.
This actually is real.
And it could happen.
But here's the sound designer for the Olympics.
He also did the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
And about what you're hearing is fake.
Let's hear one of probably the most challenging things that anybody could record.
This is rowing.
And rowing, I should mention, to capture rowing by video, you have to follow the crew from a helicopter.
This is from the Atlanta Games in 1996.
1996, this is what it sounded like.
And in the semifinal, they were .04 of a second behind Fast, the fastest qualifier.
Now, Romania still heads Australia, still by about a canvas.
Okay, as I say, 1996, Atlanta, you mostly hear a helicopter.
Let's listen to the Beijing rowing event from 2008.
And this is what it sounded like.
Okay, you actually hear the sounds of the oars in the water, that rowing sound.
How did you do that?
I did a landing as well.
And it was the only time I got a call from my boss, Manolo Romero.
But he said, all I hear is noise.
I hear motor noise.
And he just said, fix it.
So I took my portable DAT recorder out to the lake, and we followed different boaters, and we...
Basically, you know, record the micro sound and then put it up into a sampler.
Now, that was the first time that had ever really been done.
And using samplers and rowing has become standard because of the fact rowing is covered by four or five chase boats and helicopter.
So you're not hearing the actual sound.
It's the sound from some other match.
And just sampling it.
So you get the illusion that you're actually watching this great coverage.
Yeah.
And what's funny is this report is the crappiest sound ever.
It's pretty bad.
That's what got me.
There's a couple of things here.
I mean, when you're in the studio and sometimes you get to go into a voice room or something to do some voiceover, they'll often capture ambience.
Yeah.
Wild sound.
Wild sound.
Yeah, whatever you want.
It depends on your producer what they like calling it.
Whatever the case is, they'll do that and then they put that in and that's phony baloney.
But to me, this whole thing is like people make a huge fuss.
And people who saw our newsletter noticed that we have the Photoshop version of a picture.
Oh yeah, of Syria.
With the background of, you know, they've moved it.
It's a wag the dog perfect example that we know has been going on in Syria.
And we, you know, it's in there.
And it didn't get a lot of play in the American press.
Of course not.
Of course not.
But it seems to me that there's no difference between these phony sounds of the growing, which they really don't have the actual sound of, and photoshopping a picture.
No.
What's the difference?
It's all part of programming the slaves, my friend.
Of course.
There's no difference here.
Actually, I have a...
I don't want to...
Maybe you'll play this end of show clip.
There's this Dutch journalist who...
No, actually, it's on Andersen Pooper.
I should play this because here's a...
I think...
I don't know him personally, but here's probably a Dutch journalist who has unwittingly been co-opted into a set-up.
And if you listen to the beginning of the report, now what happened is he snuck across the border, wanted to get into Syria.
He was then immediately taken hostage by what he calls jihadists.
But the whole report is meant for him to say, oh yeah, Al-Qaeda's in Syria.
That's what this is for, and Anderson Pooper finally gets him there.
But he starts off by blowing the whistle on what's actually happening, who these rebels are in Syria.
They were brought into the country by a smuggler's ring, and We were following a well-known smog of the route.
And well, after being in to share for an hour, we kind of were handed in to a jihadist We're camping at the very border.
So the people who were smuggling you into...
Heavily edited, by the way, this...
Assyria accidentally brought you to this camp of jihadists.
Who were the jihadists?
The jihadists!
The jihadists!
Who were the jihadists?
Were they actually any Syrians?
The majority of them were foreign.
Where were they from?
They were from Africa, from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and some guys from the UK. Did you instantly know you were in the...
Some guys from the UK? That's probably Pakistanis.
No, I'm thinking it's Special Forces.
You think it's MI6? No, Special Forces.
Special Forces.
I'm going to fast forward because Pooper just goes on and on and on.
He's trying to get the guy to the point, you know, gets shot at and he tries to escape.
I don't know why Pooper, this is, if you got a guy like this, you'd be developing what he has to say into some sort of scandal, but Poopers can't do that in CNN. Well, here he goes.
Where were you shot?
In the ass.
I was shot in the tie and John was shot in his arm.
My relationship is only in the tie and only in your arm because they must have been shooting at least 20, 30 bullets.
So clearly the guy was not meant to die.
So, you know, they just shot him.
I just winged him a little bit.
You could have easily been killed.
At that point, I thought I would be killed.
Were they Al-Qaeda?
We actually discussed it with them.
We said, like, well, what fashion are you guys?
And they said, well, can't say too much about it, but we're not Kaya, although we know they're down the road.
They said that Al-Qaeda's down the road.
Al-Qaeda's down the road, John.
Time to go in, get some weaponry.
And now that we know that the president has been providing covert support for the Saudis and Qatar, this great nation of Qatar, the great, important, large nation of Qatar, who, of course, are actually in there and causing the ruckus.
Our third story out front, breaking news.
CNN has learned that President Obama is authorizing covert American support for the rebels in Syria.
This comes as at least 170 people were killed in the streets today, according to an opposition group.
It's important to always add that caveat.
CNN's Elyse Labatt is out front.
Yeah, because we don't have any actual news.
We're just reading what the Pentagon tells us to.
Tonight she broke that news.
Elyse, what kind of support has the president authorized?
Well, Aaron, we understand what it's called is a covert finding, an intelligence finding, which basically allows the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies to provide support for the rebels.
We have to be careful to note this is not military assistance in the traditional sense of...
The CIA is providing sandwiches.
Hey boys, here's some sandwiches and some band-aids for you.
Would you like us to cut the crust off?
The U.S. is not ready to arm the rebels, leaving that to allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
But what it means is that the U.S. can provide clandestine assistance, intelligence.
And as you see, you know, we understand this could have been in place for several months already.
And we understand that the U.S. has been helping Saudi Arabia and Qatar vet some of these groups because one of the complaints is that the U.S. doesn't know Who would be arming?
So they're trying to find how to get the weapons into the right hand.
So this thing is a mess.
I mean, we've got the administration doing stuff.
We've got everyone running around.
It's a mess.
I don't think Lucifer Clinton is on board with what the Obama administration is doing.
She's just there to make sure the oil companies benefit and the gas companies.
The whole thing is a mess.
It's a total mess.
Iran, Bahrain is hell breaking loose and nobody's even covering it.
The New York Times did pick it up though and they ran it in one of the papers this week.
Like page 5.
Of course, they've got to do something.
To remain the New York Times, they've got to at least make an effort.
So I was kind of fascinated by the murder that took place when the rebels grabbed a family of people and then executed them.
Yeah, I missed that one.
Yeah, this just happened.
This is a huge deal.
In fact, if you want to get the background on it, play a human watch guy on war crimes with a martyr quote, which is good.
The rest of the pictures are too shocking to show, but they include a pile of apparent pictures.
Why is it too shocking to show?
Just gory.
Dead bodies.
Dead bodies.
We showed the entire video this afternoon to Human Rights Watch and their senior legal advisor.
It's funded by George Soros, I might add.
What do you think we've just seen?
It looks like what we've seen is execution of prisoners and that will be a war crime.
Who has done it?
We don't know.
Elements of the armed opposition, which have all gone by the name of FSA, have certainly been committing some abuses over the last few months.
We've documented that, but there seem to be many different groups involved.
We've also, of course, documented many extensive abuses by the government and its forces for over a year now.
In a separate video, this local commander of the opposition Free Syrian Army appears to give his version of events.
Our forces were passing through here as the Shabiha were in this place, and then they started to fire on us, which led to the martyrdom of 15 of our men.
And later in this video, the commander seems to confirm the prisoners they took were killed.
So they took and butchered a bunch of guys.
And, of course, this kind of screws up everything because it was really bloody and there was a bunch of videos of it.
Of course, none confirmed, but they looked pretty typical.
Meanwhile, the France TV station had this little thing that nobody else had.
And I haven't been able to find too much about it, but it kind of explained it.
And the clip is called The Berry Clan Tidbit.
Uh...
Oh, it's not the...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got it.
I got it.
Fenge against the Berry clan.
A powerful family in Aleppo.
Like most of the Syrian opposition, the Berry clan is Sunni.
But unlike the rebels, the Berries have been pro-Assad for years.
One of the men killed Tuesday was their leader, punished for recently joining the regime's army.
Was she reporting through the shortwave radio?
That's what it sounds like.
The berry clan.
The berry clan.
What is this?
What is this berry clan?
Blueberry clan?
The red berry?
The blackberries?
I don't know.
You may have been saying fairy as far as I can tell.
Whatever the case, nobody else talks about it.
I mean, even the news hours has some other name for the group that was killed, murdered, butchered by the Free Syrian Army.
I'm sorry, Free FSA. No, it's the other side.
You got it backwards.
I'm confused.
So anyway, so the good guys are the bad guys, but there's two things I noted.
One was they killed a guy from the Barry clan who was the head of the clan because he just joined the Assad army.
Yeah.
So my understanding is everyone's bailing out of that side.
Oh, well.
So I guess we're not getting good coverage on that.
And then the other one that got me was on that previous clip where the guy...
Just a side we're on, by the way.
The guy doesn't say that his men were killed.
He says his men were martyred.
Ah, yes.
Subtle, subtle.
When you're working with guys who say, oh, yes, they martyred three of my men, you're dealing with some hardcore Islamists.
Yeah.
And, you know, this is the side we're on and this whole thing and with the Saudis who are a bunch of, you know, two-faced group if there ever was in terms of at least the way they handle the religious extremists.
They pay for all the religious mosques around the world that are all extremists, all Salafists, even though they themselves and the royal family are not.
But they know it's a good way to protect the family by creating this problem.
And we're on their side.
We're on their side, yeah.
Wow.
This is what got us into trouble in Afghanistan the first time when we were on the side of the Mujahideen.
The Mujahideen.
And we outfitted the bin Laden's of the world with weapons.
I mean, I don't know.
To me, it's beyond baffling because I know that we have American interests here and there, but this seems like just corruption to me on the part of the American government.
Well, kind of along those lines, Hillary Clinton, I should probably play her jingle while we're at it, since it's always fun to make fun of her.
Here we go.
The message is clear.
So she's got a message is clear in this following clip.
She was at the Religious Rights and Freedom presentation.
And there was a question and answer session afterwards.
And, of course, we had a shill stand up from a new lobbying organization, as she identified herself, and asked a very poignant question.
For fellow Arab countries where this is not a problem.
Frankly.
And then, just a quick follow-up question.
I appreciate your emphasis on America, but we also have our problems here with respect to, of course, Islamophobia, which I'm sure you're very aware of.
And I'm wondering whether you have any comments about this recent activity in Congress targeting one of your own aides.
Okay, so first of all, we have the Islamophobia meme, which is a loaded term.
Yeah, let's drop that bomb.
Yeah, well, of course, this woman's a shill.
So, what will Lucifer answer?
We get a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,gh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, edit.
I love this country.
I want to be a part of this country.
I want to help build this country.
I just hope I'm going to be able to.
Now, she's still blah, blah.
So, it's at this point that leadership is incredibly important.
Leaders have to be active in stepping in and sending messages about protecting the diversity within their countries.
And frankly, I don't see enough of that.
And I want to see more of it.
I want to see more of it.
Notice she's starting to get emotional because, of course, she's talking about her girlfriend, Homa Abedin.
We did see some of that in our own country.
We saw Republicans stepping up and standing up against the kind of assaults that really have no place in our politics.
So very interesting how she words this, because she's basically saying Republicans standing up against their own party, but really it was against the Intelligence Committee, who had just asked a couple questions about Homa Abedin.
That is the correct pronunciation.
And, of course, this is about her girlfriend.
We know that they are lovers.
And, you know, the whole Anthony Weiner wedding has been a sham.
So, of course, she could only wrap it up by saying the following words.
I have two words for you.
Predator drones.
There you go.
Hello?
Ha ha ha ha.
What was that?
That wasn't her?
Really?
Was this like a long, shaggy dog story?
In the morning!
I failed.
Hold on a second.
It's a total fail.
Epic fail!
I'm sorry.
Epic fail.
It could have worked.
Oh, all right.
I thought you had something that she said that was worse than listening.
No, she said absolutely nothing.
That was the whole point.
Apparently, yeah.
She said absolutely nothing.
And by the way, talk about protecting diversity.
Does that include the Anaheim police gunning down Latinos?
No, no.
Sitting quietly in their own neighborhoods?
Sicking the dogs on them?
No, of course not.
Of course not.
Oh no, it has to do with overseas or something.
We don't know.
Maybe Bahrain.
They're protecting diversity there?
Seems unlikely.
No, no, no.
It's only where we have the right interests.
I thought it was, there were a couple of reports.
I wanted to go back to the Joker.
Since I'm in Colorado.
Oh yeah, you should be getting some interesting...
Yes, the movie Massacre.
So a couple things happened.
First of all, we have...
I mean, the way the reporting is going on this guy, he's not the Joker anymore.
No, no, no.
And I wonder if this...
You know, of course, we know the new TV series is on its way.
So what perfect opportunity to bring in the Hannibal Lecter meme...
This is the Monster's Lair, your first look at the apartment of the suspect in the Batman movie massacre.
Meanwhile, he reportedly has become so difficult to deal with that jail guards are forcing him to wear a creepy contraption.
James Holmes has been spitting at prison guards so much he's being forced to wear a special protective mask like this.
Like Hannibal.
They actually have a picture of Hannibal Lecter in a box while she's introing this story.
The mask is simple and lightweight, but it forms an effective barrier preventing inmates from spitting on guards.
It goes over their head like so and blindfolds the inmate and also disorients them.
They're black bagging the guy.
Yeah.
It's tied firmly on the back of their neck, and because the inmate's hands are handcuffed behind him, he can't take it off.
Here it is in action, used by police subduing a prisoner in court during an insanity hearing.
It's a grim reminder of the mask worn by Hannibal Lecter in the Silence of the Lamb.
There we go, everybody.
We have Hannibal Lecter in the new TV series coming very soon.
So, of course, we got that one in, but it's great to demonize this.
It's really funny.
But then, of course, the media is being completely blacked out, or is blacking out everything.
Listen to this.
In just about two hours, accused gunman James Holmes will be back in court, but there will be no pictures of him this time.
Judge William Sylvester put the hammer down.
No cameras capturing the shooter in court.
No cell phones, laptops, iPads, or audio tapes allowed either.
All to make sure Holmes gets a fair trial.
Kangaroo court!
Fair trial!
No, she actually says, it's like black is white.
Yes is no.
How is this a fair trial and nobody gets to see it?
Closed.
Dude, better than that.
Dude?
Dude, he won't even do a perp walk.
Jim Spellman's live outside the courthouse in Centennial, Colorado, where prosecutors are about to lay out their case against them.
Against Holmes, rather.
Good morning, Jim.
Good morning, Carol.
Yeah, in just over two hours, Holmes will make his way from the jail right here through an underground tunnel into the courthouse to hear what's bound to be a long list of charges against him.
Are they for real?
Underground tunnel, no iPods, iPhones, videos, recorders, nothing.
You want to know what I think?
Please.
He's dead already.
Yeah, possible.
So now they've got to come up with the goods.
So they've got to come up with something.
So they're not going to show him because he's dead.
And what they do have, somebody actually sees it.
There'll be some guy in a mask and some stooge.
Oh, John, that's perfect.
Of course they'll have the mask on his head.
So it could just be anyone.
It's just the central casting.
Oh, wow.
Oh, well, you nailed that.
They're either going to have to set him up to hang himself somehow.
With the mask on his head.
Something's going to happen.
Oh, very good.
Well, then they take his real dead body, put a mask on it, and that's that, and boom, they cremate it within two days.
Awesome.
Very good.
Premation, that would be my other prediction.
Good one.
Meanwhile, of course, this is just 20 seconds of just craziness.
Another panic in a movie theater.
This one happened at South Beach in Miami.
More than 100 people bolted out of a late night screening of The Dark Knight Rises after they said they saw a man wearing black gloves screaming, this is it, from the back of a crowded theater.
Look at his mud shot.
That is just...
Oh my goodness.
Some moviegoers tackled and heckled 44-year-old David Escamillo.
They tackled him down until police arrived.
Escamillo was charged with disorderly conduct.
Police say there was no evidence of any gunshots.
No one was hurt during this mad but obviously very scary rush.
Wow.
Get more money for Dark Knight Rises.
Wow.
Yeah, he put on black gloves and yelled, this is it.
Really?
Maybe he's looking forward to seeing the movie.
Yeah, Michael Jackson.
Yeah, really.
Or he was a Michael Jackson fan.
Thought it was in the wrong movie.
This is it.
Where's the This Is It movie?
I got my gloves.
Ugh.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
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My goodness.
What else you got?
I got a long piece on Feinstein.
Feinstein very rarely does speaking, and she gave us a talk, and I have some more stuff for Sunday, but this was her discussion.
She's apparently one of her buddies on the World Affairs Council.
Got her to give a talk and then do a Q&A, which is extremely rare.
And dangerous because she's not used to it.
And so she says a few things that are kind of interesting, and I'd rather do that right after the break for the donors.
But I have a second half of the show clip.
Oh, is it a good one?
I think so.
Okay, well let's do this.
First of all, let's start off with...
Feinstein.
Feinstein.
Play Feinstein on leaks.
And some of the leaks we've seen recently that have created such a stir do have, I think, some fingerprints on them that are not from the Central Intelligence Agency, ODNI, or the Defense Department.
How do you discipline that?
I am aware of that.
I think that's a correct analysis.
I think the White House...
Has to understand that some of this is coming from its ranks.
I don't know specifically where, but I think they have to begin to understand that and do something about it.
And, I mean, there's one book they can read and they'll see it very clearly.
And I think that should be the case.
Clearly a plant, this guy.
Well, it's hard to say where he's coming from, but she doesn't want to say anything, it seems.
Well, she was kind of clear.
But she's talking about what we're talking about.
We talked about this on the show about a month ago.
Yeah.
And these are the leaks that the White House said that Obama's got a kill list, and he laughs it up, and he's got his own list.
He checks off the box as though this is...
Duxnet out there, all these different kinds of things.
And this is – and she keeps referring to a book.
And the book she's referring to is Sanger's book, Confront and Conceal.
Right.
Which is very interesting.
And I sent you a – something that has to go in the show notes, which is Peter Bergen's June 21 article on CNN.
And this is called the Obama leak scandal is wildly overblown.
Ah, okay.
Now, Bergen is a stooge and a member of the, uh, uh, what's the name of it?
The new American...
Muslim Brotherhood.
The New America Foundation.
Okay, sounds like a fine organization.
Oh, well, this organization, you look into this one, and you have everybody in this thing from Craig Newmark to Eric Schmidt.
Okay, got it.
As front men, Bergen's a member, and it's kind of a very strange operation.
I think I actually did some research on these.
Go ahead.
I'll look it up, though.
You have.
You start looking it up, and you'll remember your research.
So Bergen is apparently working...
CNN, which you call the Compromise Network, along with ABC. I would put CBS in that, too.
Yeah.
This is like a hit piece on people bitching about the leaks.
But when you start listening to Feinstein, just casually talking, these leaks in this book were no small potatoes situation.
This was a problem.
Apparently some people got killed in the process.
Really?
In the process of leaking this stuff?
I think it's the third clip, but play Feinstein on leaks too.
I think, you know, what the President actually knows about this is difficult because with respect to intelligence, he is in a bubble.
He has his daily brief called the PDB, the President's Daily Brief, early every morning.
And so he gets a briefing of intelligence.
I don't believe for a moment he goes out and talks about it.
I don't believe the briefers go out and talk about it.
But...
Who knows who else?
And I think that the importance of this has to be really set by the President himself.
And hopefully he will do it.
And I think he'll most likely read the book and see it himself.
Have you had a chance to talk to him about this?
No.
Barack in a Bubble.
Okay, so it starts to get interesting.
Now, this is the last part of this clip, which is the part three.
She makes it very clear that these leaks that were kind of a big deal for a while, and the Republicans were bitching about it.
We heard a lot of bitching and moaning.
And then the whole thing was covered up by a series of articles, including this Bergen piece, about, oh, it's no big deal, you know, back off, nothing to see here.
Look over there kind of thing, which kind of took it out of the news cycle, as you recall.
And it was only because I watched this incredibly three-hour-long thing with her at The World, because I know she doesn't do this much.
So she had to drop a couple of little tidbits in here.
Only when I listened to Feinstein moan about this, I realized that this was a bigger deal.
Then all the news media outlets want us to believe.
And she summarizes it, I think, pretty well here in Part 3.
Because you cannot, if I'm right, compel testimony from members of his staff.
That's correct.
Nor is there any legal recourse because, as you say, the president ultimately has control of all classified information.
And so if members of his staff are declassifying it, it's generally not a legal issue.
Well, that's right.
And the president can declassify it like that.
And one of the things we do in our bill is ask for simultaneous notice that we will know if an issue is declassified and we will know why.
And see, right now we don't know.
And so that has its difficulties.
Let me go to the audience questions now, and one of them is on this very topic, so it's a good place to start.
Can you be more specific about the danger of leaks?
Who is at danger?
Well, I tried to be specific.
People who help us are at danger.
We're collecting information.
We collect it in two ways.
SIGINT or satellite intelligence and the other is human or human.
And the human intelligence comes from people and therefore those people who are what are called assets for intelligence officers are in danger.
And I can tell you without any doubt that with the recent leaks they've been jeopardized.
This is really interesting in light of what we know that Obama, essentially, or the Democratic Party, whoever was running Obama as president, had one of her friends killed in California.
She hates him.
Yeah.
Yeah, and she's trying to get this back into the public domain, this problem.
Yeah.
And she makes an interesting point.
They're trying to pass a bill that if they start declassifying stuff at the presidential level, they have to at least inform the Intelligence Committee.
Let them know, sure.
Yeah, because I've got the classified document in front of me, and the next thing I know I'm reading about it in the New York Times, I'm saying, well, what happened?
Yeah.
Why am I looking at it that says classified, and now it's in the New York Times?
And they say, I don't know.
Yeah.
So it's just like, this is a bigger deal than it appears to be.
No, this is good.
And you watched three hours of this crap, and this is what you found.
That's good.
I find another thing, too, which I'll play on Sunday, which is, I'll just tell you what it is, but you have to hear it.
The topic changes, of course, because she's there, and she seems to enjoy it a little bit, which is not good.
Because she's the head of the Intelligence Committee.
She shouldn't even be talking to anybody, it seems to me, unless, you know, except her constituents.
And she goes on about the Syria thing.
And she drops the playbook right on the table.
Oh, save that for Sunday.
Save it for Sunday.
We'll go on the break here with LZ Granderson.
Now remember, this is the douche knuckle who works at ESPN. He's a CNN contributor.
And, of course, he's the perfect guy because, you know, he's black, he's got dreadlocks, you know, he's like the hip African-American prototype, if you will.
And he's arguing about how Obama is so, you know, he's so important and he's so good.
This is really what you would call the liberal view on the president's use of drones and killing people and how this is being explained away.
Here's one of the points, and that is that basically President Obama has said that he would not support an Israeli strike against Tehran.
He says he will not support that.
He asked Israel to stand down.
A lot of people didn't think that that was the correct thing to do because it is their national security.
But then when Mitt Romney's foreign policy advisor suggested that, in fact, he would back an Israeli strike against Tehran, Mitt Romney, then Mitt Romney sort of backed away from that.
So what are we really talking about here?
Are these just words?
We're talking about no one wants a war.
And I think that's the responsible thing to do, is to continue to push toward peace.
I don't think that you can call a president who has a kill list as someone who looks away when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to national security, when it comes to foreign relations and foreign policy.
I don't think that's a fair assessment.
Now, you might not be happy with exactly the measure he's taken, but to say that he's looking away and ignoring Iran, I think is kind of an inaccurate way of characterizing the way he's handled this.
No one wants a war.
And no one can afford a war, which is another part of the conversation that we're not having.
We can't afford to fight.
And so we're hoping that sanctions and diplomacy would be first.
And what we don't need, as I said earlier, is someone who is saying words that would incite a war.
So if I understand properly, because the president has a kill list, and you may not like that, but because he has a kill list, he's keeping the peace.
It was in there.
Yeah, I'd say that's not off the track.
That's outrageous.
He's gotta kill this.
That's just...
Just proves he's a good guy.
That's the other thing.
I'm gonna show myself ruled by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on no agenda.
He's gotta kill this.
In the morning.
Gotta kill this.
Didn't mean to cut you off there.
Gotta kill this.
Gotta kill this.
He's gotta kill this.
And he's gonna use it.
He's big bad.
He's nationwide.
He's barrage.
He's got a kill list as a possible show.
He's got a kill list.
Barack in the bubble, but he's got a kill list.
Sir Howard Guttnacht in Seattle, Washington, starts off our contributor section with $110, and it appears that he sent it in twice.
Wait a minute, that would make him an associate executive producer.
It would.
But I'm wondering whether he meant to do this.
Okay.
We'll refund him.
We'll have to put him in an associate executive.
He's a knight, so we give him the benefit of the doubt.
We'll just refund him.
No, I will refund him for sure.
But I want to find out.
But put him in an associate executive producer just in case.
You got it.
You got it.
Hope this helps with the gas on the Hot Pockets Tour.
Advice for Adam.
Stay in lower gears and at much lower speeds going up grades.
Well, I think you know you do that.
That's pretty much what we're doing.
I think what you have to do.
There's no choice.
That's the only way she's going to go.
You've got to drop her down.
50 miles an hour in second gear.
Michael, I'm surprised you didn't get up to that.
Michael Stadujar, he's an APO guy.
He's working on his 12-12-12 knighthood for the best podcast in the universe.
And he's in the military somewhere.
Linda Pease.
P-E-A-S-E. I'd say it's Pease, yeah.
It is Pease.
Pease.
She likes to spin around and that's what they call her world peas.
No in the morning for you.
Dublin, Ohio, $100.
Mark Milliman, Milliman, as in millimeter, 75, no comment.
Charles Anderson, Sir Charles Anderson, to you, it's Columbus, Ohio, 6969.
Did you hear that?
Yep.
I've only had four shots of whiskey in a mudslide, so I'm not sure this qualifies as a drunk donation or not.
But I'm donating for some on vacation get laid birthday karma.
You got him down on his birthday.
I don't want to be able to listen until I get back from camping.
Keep up the good work on the best podcast in the universe.
I've been listening on my drive to the campground, and I'm almost caught up, which is good.
We've got three shows behind by the time I get back.
Signed, Sir Charles Anderson.
P.S. PayPal on a cell phone sucks.
Forgive any typos.
I've been drinking and I can't read the whole passage at once scrolling around.
This little window blows.
I think one more whiskey and it would have been good for a drunk donation.
I would think.
Pistahajou.
In Worendal.
Furendal.
Furendal.
I gotta make the V's an F. Furendal.
Furendal.
6969.
We just got in under the wire.
Proud to say that ever since Adam kicked my half-awake ass fully awake during his Wake Up Call show some five years ago.
Oh, the Dutch show.
Yeah.
Oh, that one.
The one that got the radio station burned down.
Yeah.
And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is why we're both, you know, there's no station we go to.
Your wake-up call shows some five years ago.
I've not missed a single episode of the best podcasts in the quantum field.
Please accept this donation for Adam and Mickey's good luck on some gas to keep the tour going.
I'd like a girl's shut-up slave and toot it ahead in that order.
And please never, ever quit.
For neither will we, so-called slaves of the asshole elites.
Okay, first of all, I omitted the karma shot for...
Hold on.
Charles Anderson, who was drunk.
I've got to give him that one first.
You've got karma.
And now we'll do the...
Shut up, slay!
There we go.
You've got karma.
There you go.
Dead karma.
Kohai Sugimoto in Gold Coast, Queensland.
69-69.
Kohai Sugimoto from Gitmo Nation, King of Fruit.
Originally from Gitmo Nation Down Under.
So I guess he's moved.
I'm just looking for some relationship karma so I can find myself a nice jewel.
All right.
Happy to do that.
You've got karma.
John Vale in Pensburg, Pennsylvania, 59.
Michael Malaro in Pens...
Oh, I'm sorry.
Michael Malaro, Parts Unknown, 55, 55.
That's Mike from Austin again.
He's checking in again.
Who made your head on a stick?
Oh, Mike the head guy.
Yeah, Mike the head guy.
And Mike the head guy.
Yeah, Mike the head guy.
Aaron Yoho.
Yoho!
Yoho in Fairmont, West Virginia, your old stomping grounds.
Double nickels on the dime.
It's Gitmo Yoho from the town known as Mo.
Don't drone me, bro.
Yoo-hoo!
Made a rhyme.
Also, I cannot believe you guys thought we would stop listening when Adam got married.
You should know we're never going to give up on you, never going to let you down, never going to run around and desert you.
He just rickrolled you.
Yeah, I get it.
I'm just reading it.
Please give me a mafia hit karma with a Huntsman Chicka Ching Ching trailer in hopes of some good news on my variable comp.
Okay, I think I know what that means.
You've got karma.
I think that's what he meant.
No, he wanted the Ching Ching at the back of the Huntsman.
There you go.
Ray Jake, you got a double.
You got a double Huntsman.
A double Huntsman.
A double Huntsman.
It's kind of like a Dirty Sanchez.
Or a Donkey Punch.
Sir Ray Jacobson, Ashland, Virginia.
55, double nickels on the dime.
Sorry, Adam, I had to do a promotional domain name.
On the last show, there was a subtle mispronunciation of Obama, which sounded like Obama-er.
Obama.
Since you are keeping the kill list up to date...
By the way, somebody came up with an idea that we should put together a no-kill list and put it up on a website.
But that's been done.
I've already seen that done.
I think it should be the no agenda one.
Ours is more official.
This is true.
Because we are...
The best podcast in the universe.
Okay, I'll put it together.
I'll put it together.
It'll be the Don't Kill List.
We have the Kill List, killlist.curry.com, where we're going to put together the Don't Kill List, and I guess you'll have to put a donation in to get on the list.
Eh, why not?
Please pardon my indulgence to grab the forward www.obomber.com to killthiscurry.com.
That's www.o-bomber.com.
The O-Bomber name may stick in the slaves' brains just long enough until they get to the web to check out the site.
Those who propagate the formula may be deemed cool and possibly cheeky if they drop the domain in an email or place it in a comment post on the interwebs.
Please send me some karma.
Leave it in your Gmail for 180 days.
That'll do good.
This is Sir Ray.
You've got karma.
Sir Ray Jacobson in Ashland, Virginia.
Brett Farrell in Mason, Ohio, 50.
John P. Cummings, 50, from Parts Unknown.
Joseph Mato in North Point, New York.
North Port.
I said North Point.
Yeah, but it's North Port.
Yes.
I donated during the last show, and I guess it was after your technical difficulties were fixed.
John sounded grumpy.
Huh.
That's weird.
And apparently didn't like my lame boner joke or my poor attempt at poetry.
In the chaos that followed, my buddy Frohner got douched by mistake, and I did not get douched.
I think this was my mistake, actually.
Yeah, that wasn't me.
This is messing with my karma.
Rather than complain and ask for something, I figured I'd donate once again to the best podcast in the universe as a make-up to the froner.
Can I get the de-douching and can you play a clippity-clop followed by two to the head followed by karma?
You're really trying to stretch it out.
Yeah, really.
Okay, let me just figure this out.
De-douching, clippity-clop, two to the head, karma.
Okay.
You've been de-douched.
The message is clear.
You've got karma.
All right.
That wasn't effective.
So, Joseph, chime in again.
Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst, Ontario, 50.
Sir Greg Brunsel, Kenosha, Wisconsin, 50.
Black Knight George Vanderhorst from Katzhovel.
Katzhovel.
Katzhovel.
It says Katzhovel.
I have a couple of on-the-spot donations from producers who hooked up with us, which I'd like to thank as we continue the...
Hot Packet 2009 tour.
So Neil Smith, who not only brought us the wet and wetter juice for the radiator, also gave us a car cooling shot of karma with a $100 donation, so we appreciate that, of course.
You've got karma.
And then at the Lawrence meetup, Lavina B. Mason, also known as Brooke.
Love her, by the way.
$50.
Blake Hopper with some gas money from Mustang Sally.
$50.
Alex Walther Lenexa.
From Kansas, $100.
And, of course, we had our executive producers, Eric and Lori Swim, with $300.
The family who just gave us all the great presents and the cards and lovely.
Justin Gearing, CEO of Intercon.net, $50.
And, of course, we thank our host, Jason Baker, for organizing the meetup and paying for the drinks and the dinner, of course.
And also a thanks to Michael Buffa, For his gift card for the gas.
And before we continue, I just wanted to mention, you know, we're staying at Chad's house, Chad Christian.
And it wasn't until last night that I figured out who he was.
And you know him very well, John.
Because he made me cry.
Did I already mention this to you?
He made you cry?
Yeah.
Did he kick you in the nuts?
Almost.
Almost.
His lovely wife, Christy, said, do you read the emails that come in?
I'm like, yeah.
Do you remember donation notes?
I said, yeah, pretty good.
You can give me a try.
Will John remember?
I said, no, probably not, but we can give it a try.
So, he is the guy who wrote the most awesomest letter.
About the toilet paper.
He was on his mountain bike.
Oh yeah, that was a great one.
He thought he had the toilet paper karma and it turned out to be used toilet paper.
Yeah, yuck.
This guy, even though he's a firefighter and an EMS paramedic, he writes the funniest emails.
This guy should be a writer.
He should be a writer for our show.
He's a humorist.
He is a humorist.
That was good.
It's very funny.
Yes, I do remember that one because you were crying.
Yeah, it was very funny.
You were laughing so hard.
I was laughing so hard, indeed.
So, thank you all very much for your support of the program.
The executive producers, associate producers, our monthly donors.
A little light today, but of course, there's the dog days of summer.
No one cares, no one's listening, and that's how it goes.
Devorak.org.
Slash N-A.
It's your birthday, birthday.
Hey.
Oh, no one can't.
Ah, sir, we both congratulate Sir Charles Anderson.
He celebrates today as he congratulates himself.
And I also would like to just say happy anniversary to Chad and to Christy who are spending their anniversary, their fourth, with us here on the Hot Pockets Tour.
Happy birthday to the rest of you.
Actually, that is just Sir Charles from your buddies here at the Noah Jensen Show.
And we did have one final donation come in from Andrew Haverson, which puts him in night territory, John.
So if we can, if you can, hello.
Here it comes.
Where is it?
It's the big one.
Oh, that one.
Oh, my goodness.
Here it comes.
So, Andrew Haverson, step on forward, my friend, because you have supported the No Agenda podcast, also known as the best podcast in the universe, in the amount of $1,000 or more, and therefore we proudly bestow upon you the honor of Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
So we hereby will call you Sir Andrew, Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
For you, Sir Hookers and Blow, we've got your Rent Boys and Chardonnay, your Wenches and Beer, or your Hot Pants and Booze, right here at the Knight of the Roundtable.
There's a fly in here who is driving me crazy.
And it's getting warm in the bin.
Did I get him?
No.
Didn't get him.
Okay, so second half of the show.
So do you actually have crackpot material?
Well, you can call it crackpot material.
I happen to believe.
Uh-oh.
Already, I happen to believe.
It's extremely important.
Is that anything different than you believe?
Do you know...
Or I do believe?
I do believe.
Do you happen to know where Wilbur, Washington is?
Wilbur...
Wilbur.
Wilbur Washington.
I figure that's up near your Camp Buzzkill somewhere around there.
I think so.
But when are you scheduled to go up?
I've never.
I'll be gone probably a couple weeks.
Maybe Mimi can go and investigate something for me.
Okay, let me look.
Hold on a second before you get too carried away here.
By the way, there is no Wilbur, Washington anywhere that I know of.
Okay.
In the area.
It's farmland, John.
It's farmland.
Wilbur, Washington.
You mean Wilbur.
Wilbur, Washington.
Some open houses for sale.
Let's see what they see.
Who cares?
Are you ready for the report from Wilbur, Washington?
Okay, hit it.
I guess it's our turn.
I can't really rule out aliens, but you have to wonder in the back of your mind, you know.
I'll leave that up to whoever's imagination.
When we walked up to the circles, we saw that everything is very precise.
Each straw smashed to the side in a unified angle.
You've got to see this video, by the way, because the way that the crops have been flattened down is beyond what I think a human would do with a microwave oven.
We did find a long strand of toilet paper that looked fresh.
Yeah, of course, I'm going to take a dump while I was doing it.
On a place board and a sign of a prankster, but still...
They just throw that in there for you.
Conclusive evidence.
There are many theories on it.
Washington is way, way, way toward Idaho.
It's nowhere near me.
Now listen.
It's like so far east of Seattle that it would take you forever to even find this place.
So listen.
So the aliens...
to catch on with.
They're like, put some toilet paper there for Dvorak.
How it happened and who did it.
But perhaps Cindy Gives is the most interesting involving aliens.
When they fly over all the houses, they just put everybody to sleep.
Yep.
Oh, that's funny.
They wake everybody up.
There are many reasons why you may not believe that these are actual crop circles from aliens, but the Gibbs say that if it is a hoax, it sure is a long way to walk just to pull a prank.
That's my point exactly, as you just pointed out.
It's way, way up there.
Why would they do that?
Why would they do that?
Because this is just another warning from them.
So the thing is about this particular report, these crop circles are in an area where they have those crazy agricultural things that make a round patch.
They're all over the country.
This is a beautiful, symmetrical, intricate design.
It looks nice.
It's a pretty crop circle.
Small John Deere.
Some kids who had to poop.
I'm sorry.
This makes no sense that this is...
Oh, yeah.
We're going to put all this effort up there in Wilbur, Washington.
No, John.
These are warning signs and you should heed them.
Warning signs?
Warning for what?
For the apocalypse, September 21st.
September 21st is the last day?
What is the last day?
Put it in the red book.
September...
No, it's a new date.
September 21st.
When did this happen?
Well, when I was researching the crop circle.
September 21st.
That's the date.
That's the new date.
What is this new date?
Tell us about this because we have to have a celebratory show.
What is that?
Wait a minute.
First check and see if it's a show date.
Then let's see if we're before or after the show date just so we know.
I'll tell you.
Hold on a second.
I have it.
September 21st.
It's a Friday.
Too bad.
We can do the 20th.
We have our last show.
The last no agenda show.
Last no agenda show.
That's right.
It'll be the last show ever.
September 20th.
Last show.
That's all you need to put in the book.
And if on September 21st there's no show, well...
No, there won't be a show on the 21st no matter what.
Oh, right.
I'm sorry.
You mean on Sunday if there's no show?
On the 23rd.
The world's ended.
Right.
On the 24th.
So our last official show would be the 20th of September.
September 20th of September.
Unless this scam falls through and the world doesn't end.
That's right.
We'll see.
How many people are buying into this one?
Because I think a lot of people are buying, you know, what's the one that's supposed to, the Mayan calendar says?
December 21st, but it's been moved up to September.
Who moved it up?
The aliens with the crop circle.
People who know how to read the crop circles are reading September 21st.
What?
Yeah.
People who know how to...
So the Mayans came back down in a spaceship?
No, it has nothing to do with Mayans.
And they readjusted their calendar?
No, I think what we're talking about...
Why would they care?
I'm going to tell you.
What we're talking about here is the big United States blackout.
The big power outage is September 21st.
This is what they're reading into this crop circle.
So there will be no show because we'll have no power.
Instead of doing a crop circle, can't they just send a memo?
A tweet?
A tweet?
Get a tweet account?
I mean, Sweden has a...
Can we do crop tweets?
They should do crop tweets.
That would be better.
Your world will end September 21st.
Newly decided.
I do love the fact that the...
Why would they move it up?
After all these millennial...
No, hold on.
The millennium.
Thousands of years have gone by.
I say, you know, I think we should move this up three months.
I'm a little tired of waiting.
They had a scheduling conflict.
The plumber comes at 11.
The Russians will like that one.
This is not the end of the world.
This is the big blackout, which is going to be close enough.
September 21st.
So last show with power will be September 20th.
So we need some hamsters and a generator.
Yeah, and shortwave radios.
Well, I got my license.
I know.
Well, I have two months.
KJ6, ONG.
So here's some bogative stuff that's been coming out.
Very funny.
So, of course, we have to get the slaves into believing that there's all this space stuff.
And, of course, the space stuff that we're being shown is nothing at all like the real deal.
So, of course, we have all these reports now.
Hey, the U.S. flags are still on the moon.
They're still on the moon.
You know why?
Because we said they are.
And you know what else, slaves?
If you're on Times Square on August 6th, you can see the Mars mission landing live on Mars.
Just don't look at the already existing bases and the elevators.
So there's going to be a big psychological operation on everybody.
Oh, we finally landed on Mars.
And they're just gearing you up with this.
The flags are still there.
We've landed on Mars.
We've landed on Mars before.
Yeah, but now they're going to broadcast it live from Burbank.
Why?
So you don't look at what's really happening on Mars and on the moon.
What's happening there?
The moon bases and the Mars bases.
Please, come on, man.
You're not even doing this.
You used to actually believe this, but there's a note of insincerity in your voice.
No, not at all.
There's no insincerity.
But it's impossible to get into it because you immediately go...
For good reason.
Okay, we'll see on September 21st, mister.
Okay.
I'm putting it in the record book that nothing will come of it.
Okay.
Good.
Good.
Go ahead.
It's an easy way to rack up the score.
It's like I'm playing against a Chinese badminton team.
I did catch something very interesting on the State Department news briefing.
Which I love because there's actual questions from actual reporters being posed there.
Right, they never get reported on.
Never get reported on.
Except on this show.
Yeah.
So, Newland, Douchebag Newland.
Now, this is about the war on ammo.
So, in case you missed it, there was a big meeting on last Friday, I believe, And at the United Nations in New York about the Small Arms Treaty Agreement.
And although you may be led to believe otherwise, there was no agreement.
It didn't happen and they're going to have to come back to it because we didn't quite get what we want.
Now, exactly what we want is in question.
And this reporter, who is not Matt...
The reporter known as not Matt zeroes in immediately and says, okay, this is about the Second Amendment.
And just tell me when you've heard enough of it, because it's rather long.
But I found it just to be fascinating how he keeps beating on about this and Newland keeps avoiding the question.
At 10.14 p.m.
on Friday, the department put out a note about the...
Thank you very much.
I love that, by the way.
So he slams her right off the bat.
So you support the outcome, but there was no consensus.
What's that all about?
And, of course, she's got to come back and slam him.
What did you not get, did the United States not get, out of this negotiation that it wanted?
Well, again, apologies for making me work at 1014 on a Friday night at...
As you may know, the negotiations...
Sorry you had to work, mofo.
...on this treaty went relatively late in New York, so we wanted to make sure that we spoke to them when the negotiations concluded.
What we supported was a decision to give this more time to get it right.
To get it right, John.
To get it right.
I wonder what...
So it failed to get the necessary votes, and so we're happy with that.
Well, no.
No, no.
Hold on.
This is not before the General Assembly.
This comes up later in this little...
No, no.
This is just a private-ass committee.
No, this is a treaty that needs to be adopted by consensus.
There was not consensus in New York.
There were a number of countries who thought that more work needed to be done.
Because we've got to take away Americans' guns, you see.
That said, we did make considerable progress.
And there was a commitment that the nations will come back early in the new year and try to conclude this treaty.
What we want is further review, further refinement, in order to meet the high standards of a treaty that we could...
The high standards, get ready for it.
Now this guy's already, he's already ready with this question.
And that we were confident could receive the advice and consent of the U.S. Senate that deals with the illegal use of small arms.
It's now the illegal use of small arms, John.
This has changed somewhat from the illegal transfer of small arms to nations that have terrorists and gangs.
Now it's the illegal use.
So things are changing in this proposed text that we read.
While allowing states and nations participating to implement their own national laws and to protect the rights of their citizens enshrined in their own national documents, including in our case the right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution.
So more work needs to be done.
But we very much support the goals, and we think that rather than trying to jam a weak treaty, it's better to give it some more time and have consensus when we come back.
We don't want a weak treaty.
No, because what they're going to do is they're going to have all these regulations about who can actually execute their Second Amendment right.
That's what's going on.
And why do you oppose it going to the General Assembly?
Well, again, we don't have consensus on the text, so you would be sending to the GA a text that is disputed on a treaty that we all agreed would be adopted by consensus.
So we think it will be a stronger document if we keep working on it and try to get consensus.
But is your concern that the GA could approve a treaty or could approve a document by two-thirds majority and that therefore any concerns, the residual concerns that the United States might have, So,
the way I'm hearing this, in the black is white, yes is no, truth is false, is they want to get it to a point where they can sneak in whatever language is necessary, then ram it straight into the GA, as she calls it, the GAA, so with two-thirds of a vote, it gets passed.
More?
Yeah, keep playing.
There's something in Europe.
We don't think the work of this body is finished, so why would we rush it to a vote in the GA, and particularly given the fact that a number of large countries, ourselves included, aren't ready to join onto the tap.
The last one for me on this, if I may.
Did U.S. domestic politics and notably the Second Amendment right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution, did a domestic political calculation in any way affect your negotiating stance and your unwillingness to accept the current did a domestic political calculation in any way affect your negotiating So she's getting a little testy now because he's pushing and she's going to lash out.
Not yet, but in a second.
Well, that's not a political issue.
That's a constitutional and legal issue in the United States.
It's a matter of U.S. law.
It's a matter of our founding principles.
So, obviously, as a nation, regardless of who's in charge of the nation, that has to be taken care of.
Taken care of.
More broadly, we want a treaty that can stand up around the world and can deal with this problem.
We have, in the United States, some of the highest standards in the world in terms of our regulations and our laws with regards to these issues, and we want to make sure that when we do this treaty, we do it right.
Can you explain what in the treaty was problematic with regards to the Second Amendment?
Well, I'm not going to get into the precise text under negotiation.
That's obviously not something that we would do in a public forum.
Well, why not?
You're the most transparent administration in the universe.
You should do that.
What we want to do is ensure that the goal of this treaty, which is to ensure that small arms don't get into the wrong hands.
Wrong hands.
Are your hands right or wrong, John?
Are they right or wrong?
My hands are right.
...is as tight as possible while being true to the laws of our own nation and the laws of other nations.
This treaty had been under negotiation for months and years.
And during all that time, what, you just found out recently that there's something in there that might affect the Second Amendment?
No, we're trying to put something in there.
This has been an issue all the way through, how to ensure, on the one hand, the strongest possible treaty with regard to the regulation of small arms, while ensuring that those states that do a good job of this don't have to change their own laws.
I don't understand what, in an arms trade treaty, how that affects the second U.S. national law and U.S. constitutional law.
Again, one...
Well, you know, you're not a lawyer.
I'm not a lawyer.
Through the old, you're not a lawyer card on the table.
But there are a number of legal issues involved whenever you do a treaty, and you have to ensure that as you negotiate these things, that they also comport with your existing laws and the existing rights of your citizens.
I think we need to keep our eye on what's happening there at the UN headquarters, because you're not a lawyer.
It's very simple.
It's very simple.
Right to bear arms.
But you're not a lawyer.
You don't know what that means, right hand, wrong hand.
You might have the wrong hand.
So we have to determine what a wrong hand is.
You watch.
You can put that in the red book, but you don't have to.
Just watch.
There are more important things than this sort of news.
Yeah, who cares about this news, really?
I think the big story was on the, I think it was on Good Morning America, or, yeah, it was on Good Morning America, and it was the, this is all interesting, and I want to play, it's a little long, but I want to play this clip and then ask, you just got married.
Yes, I did.
And so I want to know if any of this applies to you.
Play Rented Wedding.
Hold on.
Rented Wedding.
Hold on.
And we want to bring in GMA financial contributor Melody Hobson to get to the bottom of this.
What do we need to know if we want to rent all the accoutrements that go along with a great wedding?
So the one thing you want to know is you want to make sure you are doing what you can afford.
The average wedding in this country, average, $27,000.
And yet the median income, $52,000, which means people are borrowing a lot of money to have a wedding.
Alright, well we have some examples.
First our bride, this is Jill.
Tell us a little bit about the bridal gown.
Okay, everything she's wearing is rented except for her shoes.
That's a $2,900 dress that has been rented for $495.
All the jewelry is real.
Those are $11,000 earrings, a $26,000 bracelet, even the clutch, $2,700, everything rented.
She's wearing about $43,000 worth of stuff, and it's all been rented for just over $1,000.
Great look.
And even the bridesmaid dresses.
Let's take a look at our gorgeous bridesmaids.
Okay, two bridesmaids dressed this year.
First on Seldy, she's wearing one that's more formal.
Again, everything rented.
That dress retails for $185.
It's been rented for $75.
And on Mikayla, her dress retails for $185.
All right, I get the idea.
What's the question?
No, you got to go.
You got to play the whole thing because it gets better.
Okay.
$50 has been rented for $50.
Even the flowers are rented.
Real flowers can be rented.
They're fake.
Oh, they look great.
Nicely done.
Talk to me about how you can possibly rent a cake.
Okay, this one takes the cake.
This is a faux cake.
And what they do is you can have the first tier made as a real cake, or you can just have one piece made as a real cake for the photo.
Normally a cake like this, thousands of dollars, rented from cakerental.com for $125.
And then what do you have, a sheet cake in the back that you cut up?
That's right, that tastes very good and it's not expensive.
That is hysterical and actually not a bad idea.
And what about if you want to keep your wedding dress for your daughter?
Okay, that's good.
Alright, alright.
So, did you rent a cake, first of all?
Did you rent a cake from Cake Rental?
No, did not rent a cake.
I mean, well, who's renting cakes nowadays?
What is wrong with these people?
I think this is a genius business idea, and I think that we're stupid that we didn't get in on it.
This is a great idea.
This is great.
I mean, so we, because Ms.
Mickey and I are well-known in Holland, we just got everything sponsored.
And then we sold pictures to a magazine so we could thank all the sponsors.
Well, that's pretty cool.
I think it's awesome.
We got our flowers, we got the cake, we got...
So all free?
Yeah!
And we didn't even have to credit him on the No Agenda show.
No!
And I got paid for the pictures.
Not a lot, but enough.
Enough to pay for the photographer.
Are you kidding me?
I got no money for that.
It's expensive, this wedding business.
First of all, I was stunned by it.
$27,000 is the average cost of a wedding?
Yeah, no, I'm sure it's up there.
People are crazy.
This is a huge industry.
People are completely nuts.
So now they're just doing a facade wedding with everything phony and rented so they can play along and, hey, people, go elope.
So you can put pictures on Facebook.
That's what it's all about.
Absolutely.
Look at my cake.
This is what she said.
The cake was for the photo.
Yeah.
This cake, oh, look at the cake she had.
That cake must have cost thousands of dollars.
It did.
By the way, those cakes, both of them look like crap for thousands of dollars, let me tell you right now.
And I guess they're made out of styrofoam.
Love it.
Love it.
Now, I got the real news for you, John.
This is, hey, did it misfire?
What happened there?
There we go.
And now, back to real news.
Hey, wait a minute.
Hold on.
Did you have to wear patches and stuff that had the sponsor's name on them all over you?
Yeah, yeah.
Like a NASCAR guy?
Yeah.
Yeah, you saw the pictures.
From the Globe.
Now, of course, we have the National Enquirer.
We have the Globe and we have...
What's the other one?
There's another one.
The Star.
The Star.
The Real News.
Here it is, Bill Clinton allegedly begging Hillary to call off their divorce before he dies of AIDS. Holy crap!
Which one was that in?
In the Globe.
Front page.
Cover.
The Globe.
I don't trust the Globe so much as they do the Inquirer.
But we've been looking at him.
We've been saying he hasn't looked healthy for a while.
He doesn't look good.
He looks like...
I mean, if somebody said he was an AIDS patient, it wouldn't surprise me.
That, of course, blows my entire theory on elites and how they dodge all this stuff.
Well, it could be just bogus.
But the salient information, of course, is that Hillary wants to divorce him.
Yeah, they could be couching the whole, the real story, which is the divorce part.
Could be, could be.
With the AIDS as a cover-up, so people say, ah, it's bullshit.
When it's actually coded information that we need to know.
Could be coded information that there's a divorce going on.
And it wouldn't surprise me.
There's been talk about her wanting to divorce him for almost a long time.
Yeah, well, he's a douche.
She's a lesbian.
Yeah.
Yeah, well...
I've got two war on clips.
Not war on chicken, unfortunately.
But we do have the war on baby formula.
Oh yeah, Bloomberg.
First, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg wanted to ban large sugary drinks to curb obesity.
Now he's turning his attention to instant baby formula.
Starting in September, Bloomberg will implement a new initiative that will keep instant formula locked away at New York City hospitals.
The move is to encourage new mothers to breastfeed because of its health benefits for newborns.
Instant formula will no longer be included in gift bag giveaways.
Formula will still be available if a mother wants or needs it, but nurses will have to sign for it first.
I think the gift bag giveaways is probably the nucleus of this story.
Like someone didn't pay off someone.
Because these gift bags, when you have a baby, this is a big marketing opportunity.
So Walmart puts diapers in there or Pampers and there's all kinds of stuff in there to get you hooked on it.
This is marketing.
This is direct marketing.
I think someone did not pay the bill on the baby formula.
Oh, that could be.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is the payback.
Then we had the war on weed.
Two stories here.
I'll give you the interesting story.
This is not clippage, but let me just see.
The National Institute for Drug Abuse.
Wow.
Nikki just fired up Mustang Sally.
Okay.
The National Institute for Drug Abuse...
I think she's going to ditch you.
Yeah, she's out.
She's like, screw this crackpot.
I'm running off with Chad, the toilet paper guy.
Turns out that in the 1990s, funds were given to the Clemson University researcher John W. Huffman, and they were researching for a cure to marijuana addiction, and this was money from the National Institute for Drug Abuse, and this guy came up with the K2 and spice formula.
That's interesting.
Yeah, isn't it?
There's a whole story.
Look at the show notes, 431.nashownotes.com.
And of course, they don't know how the recipe got out.
They probably posted it on the internet or something.
So they're baffled.
They're baffled how the recipe for K2 and Spice got out.
But it's created by our government, according to this report.
And then we have our drug czar, Kerlikowski, who did a little talk and another dangerous question-answer session.
And this beautiful guy gets up and he just lays into Kerlikowski, who of course is having nothing of his points of view.
But this guy is very smart, very educated, and he gives some facts, some actual facts.
Which our drug czar is clueless about.
This is Richard Kennedy.
I'm a retired CIA economic analyst who graduated from college before marijuana showed up on campus.
But I got interested in drug policy when I went back to grad school a few years later.
And so it's being widely used.
And it was pretty clear 40 years ago that marijuana is not more dangerous than alcohol.
And today we know with absolute certainty that it's a far less dangerous drug than alcohol or tobacco.
Those two drugs are killing more than half a million Americans every year.
And the number of marijuana deaths is so low that we can't even detect it in epidemiological studies.
And I would submit that Mr.
Kurlikowski's office is contributing to the Alcohol and tobacco deaths because you're sending the message to our kids that the only drug they need to worry about is marijuana.
And I think that's a tragic mistake.
We have a comment?
One, I think we concentrate on a wide array of drug issues.
We clearly don't try to prioritize which is more dangerous than the other.
It's a huge mistake to think that marijuana is a benign substance because it clearly is not.
It's not legalization, nor is decriminalization an answer.
No, let's not look at, I don't know, Portugal.
It's not the answer.
When an illegal substance becomes legal, we know that the use increases.
Really?
Really?
It isn't like the infrastructure in this country.
That's total bullcrap!
Thank you.
Thank you.
Of course it's bullcrap.
It's just propagating the lies.
...is well equipped right now already to deal with the number of people...
That have alcohol problems, that suffer from the effects of nicotine.
I don't think we're in that position to take care of the people about 1 in 10, and that doesn't include new users, who would become addicted to marijuana.
We also don't think that locking everyone up for marijuana is an answer.
You know, when Stephen mentioned the war on crime...
Just lock up the blacks.
...about that for a long time.
We don't think that there's an end in sight.
The officers in Seattle that reduced crime through their dedicated work never thought they were going to work themselves out of a job.
Legalization isn't going to solve our drug problem.
Okay.
Well, good.
Good to know that.
There's your position.
Yeah.
It's the douchebag position.
Yeah.
I'll give him one.
Douchebag!
Alright.
I just got one last short little clip here.
We have a new anonymous in Russia in the F-Russia campaign.
It was just fun to hear Aaron Burnett, or Burnett, as we say in Texas, actually say the words.
In March, we brought you the story of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot.
I just want to hear her say that a lot.
These people, they wear masks.
And then all of a sudden they're a punk band.
Pussy Riot.
Just say that a lot, Aaron Burnett.
We like it.
Pussy Riot.
Douche.
All right.
Okay.
You done?
You got anything?
Yeah, I got a couple things, but they're not that interesting.
I mean, I do have...
Take us out on a high.
Take us out on a high.
Okay, well, here's one.
This is on NBC, which is doing nothing but Olympic coverage.
They sent some crazy shopping woman out who just came back blathering about shopping and where you should go and what you should buy.
And then she kicks it and she closes it with just a total...
What?
Kind of thing.
But you can just run this insane woman going on, blathering on about.
By the way, you can get a copy of Alice in Wonderland, which everybody needs, for only 35 pounds.
1966.
Wow.
So yeah, this is just great.
And all of this book, Alice in Wonderland.
Oh, is this fabulous?
So the original one, first edition, was 6,000 pounds.
Now this one, it was re-released.
We got this copy for 35 pounds, originally 38, but what a great thing to have.
Bargain.
And then, in the fashion department here, we picked up some statement jewelry, of course, some knickers.
That Jimmy, our cameraman, said he would model.
He's so great.
And then, if you do not have time to go to the market, the three stores you must hit, Harrods, Jigsaw, Kate Middleton used to be an accessories buyer there, and then Boots.
They have their own line.
It's a pharmacy.
Everything fabulous is there.
So if you can't hit the market Fridays or Saturdays, this is where to go.
By the way...
Boots?
Boots, everything's fabulous?
It's fabulous, yeah.
This is the word, by the way.
Anything in London is fabulous.
It's just fabulous.
Boots, let me get this straight.
Boots, which is...
You've been to Boots?
Yeah, it's like Walmart.
No, it's not.
It's a little small.
Yeah, but...
It's like a Walgreens.
Walgreens, I'm sorry, yeah.
And it's just a pharmacy, and they have, yeah, whatever, Boots.
It's fabulous.
It's just fabulous.
All right.
So much for the most fabulous podcast in the universe.
We'll be back on Sunday and the show's still in Colorado.
We'll be in this exact same locale, but we'll have a lot more stories to share, and maybe we'll run into some shilling feds here in the backup headquarters of the United States of Gitmo Nation.
I'll be happy to pass on some stories to you.
And I can't wait to turn the air conditioner on because the bin is hot.
Hot.
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