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	I'm gonna go bite face.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, May 31st, 2012.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 413.
	This is No Agenda.
	No.
	Enjoying my luscious bath salts here at Camp MoFo in the capital of the drone star state, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's garbage day.
	Oh, wait, I said that last week.
	Oh, and the week before.
	I'm John C. DeVore.
	Your ingenuity and creativity never ceases to amaze me.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm really good.
	Indeed you are.
	Top news.
	Top news.
	Zombies.
	Bath salts.
	Zombies.
	There's zombies, bath salts, and a more important birther item, which I actually want to talk about this later because I think we should go into it in depth.
	About what?
	Mark Zuckerberg stiffing the staffer's lunch in Italy.
	What?
	Really?
	This is a big scandal in Italy, apparently.
	Wait a minute, so he didn't go to...
	What you're saying is he didn't...
	He went to lunch with his wife, and then he didn't tip.
	If you want to talk I do, but I want to do it a little later, but I want to talk about it.
	I have downloaded all the different tipping sites about what you're supposed to do, and I think it needs a little discussion, because I know when I'm floating around, I always have to look it up, because every country's got their own things to do.
	I have one standard.
	One standard.
	Five bucks.
	That's right.
	Five bucks.
	At the four seasons.
	No, it's 15% unless I really liked it, then it's 20%.
	That's what I always do.
	Yeah.
	Standard.
	And wherever I am anywhere in the world.
	Yeah, and there's some places where that would be an insult, and that's fine.
	You don't care.
	Where would that be an insult?
	It's in the insult of the countries.
	The insulted countries.
	Where would that be an insult?
	There are places where...
	We'll talk about it later.
	I got the tipping facts here.
	Then what are we talking about now?
	We're not talking about tipping.
	We're not talking about Zuckerberg.
	What do you want to talk about now?
	Okay, we can talk about tipping.
	No, I'm not that interested.
	15%.
	I am.
	Let me just read this, though.
	Just to give Zuckerberg a break.
	According to Rick Steves...
	Who you see commonly on the PBS Nation's, whatever it is, they're selling books.
	In Italy, if you tip, if you really like to place the food and the service, if the waiter's very friendly, for example, in the U.S., the waiter has a small salary, but just because you have to get a lot of tips, tipping is necessary.
	In Italy, no!
	You don't tip?
	The salary is good and the tip is something exceptional.
	All right.
	But the guy's a multi-billionaire.
	I am banning stories about Zuckerberg on this program.
	I am.
	I'm just banning it.
	It's done.
	I'll just call a coward.
	Just refer to him as Zuck.
	I don't think so.
	Well, a couple of interesting things this week that I've been tracking.
	I would have to say the most astounding news article I read was the one and only New York Times.
	The, of course, obviously compromise, but the paper of record with, I thought, was quite a detailed article.
	explanation or overview of President Obama's love for drones and his secret kill list and the baseball cards and his involvement even with deciding on the fate of a 17 year old girl whether she should be droned or not and for the New York Times to publish this I thought was exceptional.
	Really?
	That's interesting you'd say that.
	Well, when did we first discuss this issue?
	Oh, well, we've been discussing it for years.
	So now you're pleased, because years later, the New York Times...
	I'm telling you, what's interesting about this article is how the left has reacted to it.
	Well, of course.
	This is obviously...
	I have a little clip from CNN, if you want to hear...
	You give me that, and I'll throw my clip at you.
	Okay, so this is Wolf Blitzer, and we're in the summer months, so we have all the fill-ins, which is pretty funny, because they all suck.
	But this is Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room, and he talks to some nondescript correspondent over there at the Pentagon in their green screen studio.
	What you see is from a New York Times article that sort of really laid all this out in the greatest detail yet.
	Is that the president is involved almost at a tactical level and the change in technology has allowed this president to make decisions that no previous president would be able to do.
	So what you have is a wide variety of counter-terrorism officials, national security officials weighing in.
	Looking at the biographies of suspected terrorists to decide who's going to be next on the kill list.
	And then finally, the president himself can weigh in and make an exact decision.
	Because of technology, because of these drone strikes, it's the president himself who can make these sort of tactical decisions.
	I spoke with an analyst, Peter Singer, who said there are actually two kill lists, one being run by the military, one by the CIA. And the danger in that is that you can manipulate the list.
	In other words, if you have a target that maybe doesn't meet the criteria from the military list, you can sort of put that name on the CIA list.
	And what that could do in some cases where you have this overlap is it opens up the process to perhaps manipulation because you've got some of the same people involved in these meetings.
	How does that make any sense?
	What?
	How does it make any sense what he just said?
	The military says kill XYZ, the CIA says kill XYZ, and because the guy's on both lists, that opens up manipulation?
	Sounds like to me the guy's on the A list.
	What's he talking about?
	He's in front of the velvet rope.
	I think what he's saying is, if a name doesn't fit according to the military's condition to be on the kill list, then you can always go over and talk to the CIA. So it's not really manipulation, it's just...
	Getting the guy on the list.
	You're on the list no matter what.
	With different agendas using these lists.
	And at least for now, correct me if I'm wrong, the legal opinions...
	This is nice.
	The White House legal opinion, the Justice Department legal opinion, DOD legal opinion authorizing these targeted killings with drones and other means if necessary.
	Those legal opinions remain classified secret, right?
	So that's a...
	An interesting question.
	They remain secret.
	Listen to the guy's response.
	He answers the question and then goes straight into something else because, of course, he doesn't actually know how to talk about it.
	Those remain classified, and neither the White House nor the Pentagon has really given a full accounting of how they measure civilian casualties.
	I think it goes into something else.
	Now, before you get to your...
	Jeez, how did he talk about changing the subject?
	Yeah.
	What I found interesting in context with this is Olsterman published another White House Insider report.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I didn't get there.
	Yeah.
	And his focus in this report, which may or may not be coincidental that the New York Times reported this, I'll just read some of it verbatim.
	Barack Obama takes personal pleasure in using those drones.
	Now, why is that?
	This is the insider speaking.
	Because that kind of obsession, that ain't normal.
	He's a lazy slob of a president, but that damn drone program has his full attention.
	He loves the shit out of those goddamn drones.
	He spends hours watching television or flying around giving another speech, but he don't miss one of those kill meetings.
	So ask yourself, why?
	And I'll tell you that once you figure it out, then you see the big picture.
	You see what's going on here.
	You see the payoff.
	You see how odd things he's said in the past and how they make a hell of a lot more sense now.
	You see what a second Obama turn really means for us.
	You see why the military is getting more and more nervous about this guy.
	You see why it's got somebody like the old man, that's the Wall Street insider, so upset and so damn afraid.
	Obama loves them drones.
	He's made it a personal priority above all else.
	Why?
	Well, I got the goods.
	I told you what their reelection plan is, how they're going to use race, division, chaos.
	That's the reelection plan, and the drones fit into this scheme.
	And he says how?
	Well, that's going to be in the next, in the follow-up report.
	Oh, it's a tease.
	It's a tease.
	But do you, what do you think about that?
	And I'm taking this White House insider as valid.
	Well, first of all, I think the guy's got, he definitely has some good context in the vicinity.
	But when you see these, when people do these sorts of teases, that means they really haven't got any evidence.
	They're just working on it.
	Okay, maybe, maybe.
	I mean, come on, you know, it's just like, you know, what, is it 6 o'clock news?
	I mean, I don't like it.
	Well, there's a couple of things that happened.
	One, Rumsfeld came out and condemned him for doing this, which I thought was weird.
	Oh, I didn't miss that.
	Yeah, Rumsfeld came out and said this is not a president's job to micromanage this sort of thing.
	I also believe that this is putting him in a position of becoming a war criminal.
	Well, do you think?
	If he isn't already.
	So I'm watching Democracy Now, and they don't know what to do, these left-wing guys.
	Oh, they must have been freaking out about this.
	They're just going, oh God, they're hand-wringing.
	How can I vote for him?
	I don't want Romney, and I won't vote for a third party because I don't know why.
	And so Glenn Greenwald, who's a really outstanding writer, a progressive, he's a very leftist, He writes for Salon and he's well regarded.
	I've always enjoyed reading him.
	I think he puts his stuff together quite nicely.
	But he's a leftist is what you're saying.
	He's a big time leftist.
	Big time.
	But a good one.
	He came out, and I think he kind of brought to the fore on Democracy Now!
	Now, he's on a Skype connection, so it breaks up a little bit.
	But I think he really hit the nail on the head with the concerns of the left.
	And I want to play this clip.
	It's a little long, but it's worth listening to from his perspective.
	And I want to just do a little deconstruction at the end to explain something that I think I caught in here.
	This is why I wrote yesterday, you know, I think one of the things that the New York Times article did was shed light on President Obama's character.
	You know, we can talk a lot about his policies, and that usually is what's most important.
	We've known that he's been embracing these radical theories of executive power that even George Bush's former CIA and NSA chief, General Michael Hayden, has lavishly praised and other Bush officials are over the moon about in terms of President Obama endorsing him.
	So we know his policies have been extremist and radical.
	But here you have one of the most controversial things, as I said earlier, that a president can do, ordering an American citizen assassinated by the CIA in total secrecy with no due process, never been charged with any crime, even though they could have charged him if they really had evidence as they claim that he was guilty of plotting terrorist even though they could have charged him if they really had And instead of charging him, they simply secretly ordered his assassination.
	And it turns out that there was no struggling in terms of the difficult constitutional and ethical and legal issues this obviously presents.
	According to the president's own aides, they're boasting to the New York Times that he declared that this was a, quote, easy decision.
	Not anything that he struggled with, something that he made quite easily.
	And so we find out that not only is he exercising this radical power, he's not even having any struggles with conscience or constitutional questions or legal or intellectual quandaries about it.
	It's something that, as his national security advisor Tom Donilon also bragged to the New York Times about, it shows how, quote, comfortable he is using force, even against American citizens.
	And that, I think, reflects...
	Really on the type of person that occupies the Obama office.
	Okay.
	Let's hear your deconstruction.
	So it's not much of a deconstruction because it's pretty obvious what the problem is with the left.
	They don't care about all this killing and droning.
	They care about the fact that Obama is not anguishing over this.
	Yeah, actually.
	Yeah.
	He's not, oh my God.
	Oh my God, can we do this?
	And he sits and he worries and he reflects and he reads a couple of books and a priest comes in and a rabbi comes in and he hand rings.
	That's what they want.
	Then it would be okay.
	Yeah, well that's the theater that George Bush would put on.
	He was pretty good at that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, he was good.
	He was a good actor.
	But what gets these people is that Obama is so casual and cool about it because he's Mr.
	Cool in every respect.
	Yeah, I think it's just bomb, just kill this guy, this 17-year-old, screw her, she's dead.
	Let's go bomb.
	And then, of course, in the New York Times article, they did mention this one little factoid, which is that apparently there's no civilian casualties because they've defined a militant as anyone...
	Just their age group, if they're from 18 to 40.
	Or if you're doing jumping jacks.
	It could be, yeah.
	You're training.
	You're training.
	He's training.
	Drone him.
	Drone him now.
	Well, I just want to remind everyone, over a year ago, or is it now two years ago, here's what the president said during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
	I have two words for you.
	Predator drones.
	You will never see it coming.
	You think I'm joking?
	Now this was directed at the Jonas Brothers and it kind of shows that he's a psychopath.
	He's totally a psychopath.
	And here's a question that keeps popping up in my mind.
	If this is such a great way to do it, and it's okay to have a couple of civilian casualties as long as they're doing jumping jacks, and we're happy to drone people in Pakistan, why didn't we do that in Abbottabad?
	Why didn't we have this whole elaborate so-called SEAL Team 6 capture mission?
	Why didn't we just use the drone there?
	Well, I have an end of show clip.
	Ed Klein's got a new...
	Yeah, I have this clip, too.
	Valerie Jarrett.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I'm thinking the following, because Valerie Jarrett, according to Ed Klein, your friend Valerie...
	Oh, yeah, who I've been saying.
	I told you she's the one.
	I told you she's the president, and now it's coming out.
	She apparently was dead set against sending in SEAL Team 6.
	And the president, according to Klein, for the first time ever, because everybody else said we should do this, except also Biden, he was also against it.
	Yeah.
	Which he doesn't talk about too much, but she was dead set against it, and so he overruled her and they let the military do their thing.
	I would suspect that she would be promoting the idea of just droning that place and the hell with it.
	Right in the middle of Abbottabad.
	Right in the middle of town, which is a little risky, but who cares?
	I think she might be the one behind, just encouraging to do more of this droning.
	She's, well, I can't wait to read this guy's book.
	What's it called?
	It's called like...
	Amateur.
	Amateur.
	I always kind of dislike it.
	He was on, was it Rachel Maddow, I think, who he was on with, right?
	No, this was actually the interview on Fox with...
	Oh, okay, good, because...
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Let me see how long my clip is, because it's not an end-of-show clip.
	Yes, it's 50 seconds.
	This is...
	I'll play it.
	Yes, it's Klein, I think, with Rachel Maddow.
	Anything like this in modern presidential history, one person who's the best friend of the First Lady and the soulmate of the President, who is the last person to leave the Oval Office after a meeting...
	Goes upstairs to the family quarters, has dinner with the president, goes on vacation with him, has his ear, Is de facto president of the United States.
	Wow, that is big.
	Well, let's talk about her resume.
	Does she have the resume to have this job?
	No, she doesn't.
	But what she does have is the trust of Michelle Obama, number one, whom she hired in Chicago, and the president, who uses her as his gatekeeper.
	She keeps away people who might come in and in some way embarrass the president, Try to get him to do things that he doesn't want to do.
	She is the radar for the President and the First Lady.
	And she, of course, is the true Chicago connection.
	Something else that I noticed is that the Obama re-election campaign headquarters, and we found out about this during the NATO summit, they're located in Chicago, which is not typical for an incumbent president To have his re-election campaign headquarters not inside Washington, D.C., Yeah.
	Oh, by the way, this is the same clip.
	Oh, it is the same?
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's Fox.
	Only he goes on with some other little details I thought were more interesting, personally.
	Yeah, and I figured you'd have that, so we'll play that at this end of show clip.
	That's how it works here.
	Yeah, no, there's something fishy going on.
	He talks about the fiasco that Valerie Jarrett set up to try to get the Olympics to Chicago.
	Oh, yeah, I remember that.
	That was awesome.
	It came in last.
	Yeah.
	Good job.
	And how can you come in last, if you're representing Chicago and you come in last, dealing with a corrupt organization like the IOCC, a corrupt city and a corrupt, you know, you'd think it would work out.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, not corrupt enough, apparently.
	So anyway, this droning thing is very disturbing.
	I'm lacking the outrage, that's for sure.
	I'm lacking the outrage amongst American citizens because we know that the president will drone an American citizen in another country.
	So how long do we have to wait?
	And are these U.S. drone programs just going to be surveillance?
	Or will they...
	I mean, it's possible that we actually will see someone droned in the United States.
	I would predict it.
	Do you think it'll happen before the election?
	No.
	No way.
	That would cause some problems.
	But eventually, I think it will happen.
	I think they've opened the door for it, and the public apparently...
	I mean, everything to me is always test marketing.
	What's the public reaction?
	Well, right now, it's like, whatever.
	Whatever.
	Yeah, no one doesn't care because we're an uneducated population that, you know, it's deeply in debt for student loans and the rest of it, and nobody cares.
	They don't pay any attention.
	I mean, besides our show, nobody brings as much up.
	Well, there's case in point.
	I mean, they do on Democracy Now!, but there's a show that nobody led.
	We have probably a bigger audience.
	But there's case in point.
	The test marketing, they floated it out there.
	No one cared.
	Maybe that's what this all was.
	And I was like, whatever.
	Well, he doesn't seem to be mad.
	He doesn't seem to be twisted about it.
	But otherwise, it doesn't matter if he's doing it.
	So maybe the test is successful.
	Now we can move to the next phase.
	You'll say no.
	I'll say we'll see some kind of drone activity.
	I don't think we'll be shooting Hellfire missiles.
	But I think before the election, sometime during the summer, I would say before the election, we will see drone activity in the United States where someone either got tased or beanbagged or teabagged or something.
	I think we'll see that.
	We have to go to the next stage in this.
	I don't think he could take a chance, but here's what I'm putting down in the red book.
	You're predicting drone activity in the USA where someone has hit.
	Aggressive drone activity.
	Let's call it that.
	Aggressive drone activity.
	Before the November election.
	Right, before November.
	Yeah, this is not going to happen.
	Okay.
	We shall see.
	I'm pretty sure on this one.
	Well, anyway, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships at sea and boots on the ground and subs in the water and feet in the air.
	And foots at the post office, apparently.
	And of course, everyone in our chat room, the human resources all lined up, ready to go, charged up, depleting your $9.2 million value.
	Thank you so much.
	NoagendaStream.com, NoagendaChat.net.
	Happy to be with you.
	It's the best podcast in the universe.
	We have the award plaque to prove it, and we do this twice a week, Thursdays and Sundays in the morning.
	And based on our value-for-value model, people have been supporting us for the past couple of years, and we would like to thank some who check in as our executive and associate executive producers for today's program.
	Did the spreadsheet come in?
	That would be your cue, yeah.
	Well, there it is.
	While you open it up, I shall thank Joseph Wagner.
	Nothing's attached.
	Oh, there it is.
	Joseph Wagner, who will be knighted today, comes in with $411.14.
	Hey, John and Adam, I've been donating since 2010.
	Thought it was time to finish off my knighthood.
	Oddly enough, the amount left to finish things off was $411.14, a palindrome.
	Thank you for everything you do.
	I hope this helps you with just getting by, living the American dream.
	Please plug my podcast, soundcloud.com slash onlyhearsay.
	Thank you so much, Joe Wagner.
	Joe, thank you.
	And I will put you on the night list.
	He's down here in Emeryville.
	That's right.
	Also, I want to thank Dimitri.
	You took the easy one.
	Of course.
	Fedoseyev.
	Fedoseyev.
	Fadasayev.
	Fadasayev.
	There we go.
	Wow.
	333 from...
	He's in London.
	Hi, guys.
	Here's my value for value.
	I'm a long-time boner from Gitmo Nation fighting politicians now living in Gitmo East like a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	Sir James Howard from Indianapolis, 3-21-07.
	I got a solicitation from my bank begging me to get their new debit-credit combo card, and you're so great that we can offer you an APR as low as 12.99%.
	I exercised my basic human right to call that, told them to take a flying leap.
	I wouldn't even use your damn bank if I could make electronic payments from under my mattress.
	Adam, this segment on human rights is worth a donation on its own.
	Please, before you give that acupuncturist any money, ask him how needles are able to detect the presence of mercury in the body.
	That wasn't the needles.
	It wasn't the needles.
	Yeah, it was the stuff he put on him.
	It was the other mumbo jumbo.
	I know what it's called.
	It's called applied kinesiology.
	Yeah.
	Hey, I don't feel any worse.
	Applied kinesiology.
	You know, I got equal amount of people saying it's bogus as the people saying it really works.
	So, jury is out.
	Sure you did.
	Yeah.
	Herbert Harms, yeah, as long as you're still doing the show, I don't care what they do to you.
	Herbert Harms, Great Ben, Kansas, $300.
	Hi, John, and I meant to get this in before the holiday weekend, but alas, here I am.
	The donation should complete my knighthood.
	Thanks for the work you put into making a great show.
	Associate producers, we've got a couple of them.
	Tyler O'Brien in Boca Raton, Florida, 2707, which means yes on the...
	Hey John, just smoked a joint.
	Come on, do the voice now.
	Do the voice.
	Hey John, Adam, I just smoked a joint.
	Figured I'd make a stone donation.
	I've been a listener since show one.
	I've donated before.
	But it's been a while.
	And I felt myself turning back into a boner.
	Could you de-douche me and give me a war on chicken?
	Huntsman karma?
	That'd be great.
	Now, as I understand it, that actually hurts your throat to do this?
	No, it depends.
	If I don't hit it just right, because that's the same voice kind of I tried to do with the tech hippie, even though I modulated it a little differently because it was a little more gravelly.
	That always hurt my throat.
	All right, here it comes.
	The war on chicken.
	He's not too much.
	Thank you.
	Jigachin shit.
	Thank you.
	You've got karma.
	I love it.
	You didn't give him a de-douching he asked for.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	You've been de-douching.
	It was right on the button.
	It's so complicated.
	Everything's complicated.
	It's like all these combos.
	Scott in Dawsonville, Georgia, 207-07.
	Why do you do this to me?
	me.
	The first hour of 412 is blowing my mind.
	Donating drunk again.
	Second half might bring more.
	No executive producers for the other show.
	Bullshit!
	Bullshit!
	People need to get off their ass.
	This is the greatest podcast in the universe.
	Anyway, here's what I can afford right now.
	It's Monday Memorial Day and I finally got visitors out of my house.
	Now I can have fun.
	Thought the booze, they are all booze.
	I really like the slide whistle duet thing it gave me last time.
	No need for karma right now.
	Call out asshats for not donating.
	Okay?
	That's for the asshats.
	You do that so well, John.
	You are such a talented man.
	Gary Kostelnik in Mission Viejo, California, 201.
	I don't have a note from him on here.
	It might be in the...
	I'll check.
	I'll check why you do the next one.
	Christopher Wolf.
	Mooresville, Indiana, $200.11.
	In the morning, John and Adam, this donations are my second executive producer spot to put on my IMDB listing that is to come.
	I previously sent you some sovereigns, an Aussie, and a Kiwi 5 spot, and a check for my podcast license that I never received.
	Oh, no!
	Put them on the list.
	I have a balance deal of $1.70, $3.85 to reach my knighthood, so this should put me over the top.
	I'm looking forward to my ring size 10.5.
	I would like, by the way, these vary from place to place.
	I would like a de-douching karma for my still-struggling music career that I saw a small boost since my last donation anyway.
	I'm also giving myself this knighthood for my birthday, which was May 30th, so I could get a birthday shout-out as well.
	Keep up the good work, and don't snub me on the ring like you did on the podcast license.
	I'll get you the podcast license.
	Do it right after the show.
	Adam, you might consider giving up the quest for an announcer gig and try being a hand model for rings or watches.
	There's actually less prep for that job and nobody will say, hey, isn't that the MTV guy?
	A hand model.
	That's actually not a bad idea.
	I think I shall put a reel together.
	An audition reel.
	You've been de-douched.
	Also an anonymous donation from Pew Gardens, New York of $200.07.
	And Rick Cable in Modesto, California.
	Love the show.
	$200.
	Follow John over Twitter.
	Listen to your show while I'm coding my site.
	Finditclassifieds.com.
	Oh, cool.
	Well, look it up.
	Thomas Casey, Rotterdam.
	If cheap Indian bastard can donate, so can I. Hell yeah!
	So I do have one make good here.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	We do have a black knight that has to be added to the list.
	Oh.
	Who has not been knighted yet?
	I don't believe so.
	Okay.
	And I keep sending this note around and nobody...
	So this is from Sir Gear.
	Well, okay.
	And I promised him, because he gave $606 a few, like a month ago, if he wanted his birthday mentions, so you've got to put him on the birthday list.
	He did it, this problem that got, it's a long story why this got screwed up, but whatever the case is, I promised him a double karma for one and only time for anyone, because he's a well-established knight.
	So if you can do that.
	Well, I have to do double karma.
	Yes, I'm sorry.
	To play it twice.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This is dumb.
	Well, we won't do it again.
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	Okay.
	I just wanted you to feel the pain.
	Yeah, I noticed you put a big gap in there just to torture everybody.
	This is the Norwegian in Taiwan.
	Yeah.
	He talks that kept raining until 1905, blah, blah, blah.
	The Swedes and the Danes are regarded as cousins, so no hard feelings.
	He wants to apologize to them for some reason.
	No EU on us.
	No EU are for us as long as we keep pumping oil.
	He says it seems Pico does not apply to Norway.
	And then he says he should qualify for a second knight who likes to donate to his son, Dan, so he's a black knight.
	We did this.
	You sure?
	No, but it doesn't matter.
	Do you remember he wanted to be knight Sir Daft?
	Yeah, we did this.
	But we never gave him the double karma then.
	No.
	Because you would have bitched about it.
	Yeah.
	We definitely knighted him.
	I remember that.
	Sir Daft.
	All right.
	No, we won't knight him again.
	Okay.
	I do have another knighthood, which came from Austin Local in the form of gold.
	Oh.
	Gordon Walton.
	And you probably won't remember, but Gordon, during the Hot Pockets Tour 2008, which was held in 2011, Gordon Walton picked this up when we were here in Austin and drove us down to the meetup.
	Really nice guy.
	And he donated, I think it was $600 at the time on the spot, on the spot donation.
	And he took Ms.
	Mickey and I out to lunch yesterday at Mann's Smokehouse, which is very famous here in Austin.
	It's located basically between two gas stations now.
	It's still the old-fashioned smokehouse, but they built all the stuff around it.
	And we had a great barbecue lunch.
	And he donated to the show.
	I have them here.
	Two sovereigns, so those are each a quarter ounce of gold, so that's half an ounce there, and two liberties, which are 10 ounce, so that is a grand total of 70.7 ounces of gold at the current prices.
	Which are falling.
	Which actually went up this morning.
	At the current...
	Well, he also said, if John bitches about it, give me the coins back, I'll give you cash.
	But I said, no.
	No.
	I think the coins are great.
	I love the coins.
	And so he will be knighted in the gold order today, Gordon Walton.
	Ooh, I like the gold order.
	Yeah, the gold order.
	Well, we've had another knight who was in the gold order, I think.
	And you have the coins there.
	So it kind of works out.
	I only have one coin.
	I don't have four.
	Right.
	So I have neener, neener, neener.
	I have four coins.
	You've got one.
	Well, maybe we'll see each other this year.
	We'll exchange.
	Probably not.
	Not if I can help it, pal.
	Also, by the way, the channel of Dvorak.com and NoAgendaNation.com are also places where you can find ways to donate and help us out on the show.
	Also, you can mail us a check.
	Which is listed on the noagenda or the divorce.org slash NA site.
	There's instructions there.
	And also direct, you can do a wire transfer if it's a large enough amount.
	Otherwise, it's overpriced.
	You just email me and I give you the instructions on that.
	And we highly appreciate the showing of support today from our executive producers and associate executive producers.
	These are actual credits.
	If you have an IMDB, or even if you don't, you can start one up, and you can become accredited there, and you can put it on your LinkedIn, and unlike the phonies in Hollywood, if anyone questions the validity of your credit for the program, we will vouch for it.
	We'll get on the phone, we'll talk to them, we'll set them straight.
	And it's great.
	It's value for value.
	That's the only way that we can keep the program going, and it is highly appreciated.
	One PR mentioned, John, and I tweeted this out yesterday, and it'll be in the show notes, of course.
	Sir Andrew Gardner, who I believe is also celebrating a birthday today, he came in second in the Memorial Day races.
	He races, I think, in the 450 motorcycle class, and some great pictures.
	So he has noagendashow.com on the bottom of his bike, so when he goes around the corner, it pops up in white letters.
	You see noagendashow.com?
	What's that say?
	No, it's very obvious.
	And so I tweeted that picture out, and I've got all kinds of people who participate in different forms of racing, you know, like the Mustang class, and there's all kinds of amazing...
	And now that guy's going to put NoAgendaShow.com on his car.
	And I think we are basically the first podcast with its own racing team.
	And not to mention AskForces.
	Hey, that doesn't work, by the way, AskForces.com.
	Let's see.
	It doesn't work.
	Well, we have to fix that.
	Somebody has to fix that.
	Try it.
	Try AskForces.com.
	Oh, it works today.
	I'm sorry.
	It's working now, so it got fixed.
	So maybe that would be...
	I like it.
	Noagenda show...
	Or maybe someone will set up NoagendaRacing.com.
	But I think the most important thing is that you and I get pit passes...
	To all of the races, and we can maybe score some babes.
	Yeah, some pit babes.
	Some pit babes.
	That's why we do this show, ladies and gentlemen.
	That's right.
	Now, of course, if you don't ride a bike, you can always propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Come on, kids!
	Say it like you mean it.
	Shut up, slave!
	So, since we did have Sir Gierke chime in, what is the tipping in Norway? .
	You're asking me?
	Yeah.
	This is a quiz.
	I think you give the person a herring's head.
	Do you tip hotel maids in Norway?
	I tip hotel maids everywhere I go.
	I always put change on the pillow when I vacate the room.
	Always.
	Yeah, like whatever dollars or whatever I got in my...
	Probably about five bucks a day.
	I usually leave all the tchotchkes and crack...
	Especially the t-shirts.
	The lint.
	No, I don't leave the lint.
	There's a lot of cool stuff that I'll pick up at a trade show.
	And then when I'm traveling, and then I'll...
	That's so lame.
	We're in a depression.
	John, we're in a depression.
	You've got to leave dough.
	Hard coal.
	I love it.
	And I usually stay crappy.
	When I go to San Francisco, I stay at the Courtyard by Marriott, which is a really crappy hotel.
	Is it?
	Well, I love it because it's just walking distance to everything.
	Yeah, it's walking distance.
	It's real simple.
	And everyone's kind of, you know, there's no poshness to it.
	So there's no stuck up a-holes walking around.
	So, you know, it's not like the W, which it's half the price of the W. And, you know, and I like it.
	And then if you leave five bucks on the pillow in the morning, I'm usually there for a couple of days.
	And the room, you know, you can really see that they pay attention to it.
	And it's really nice.
	You know, they put the love into it.
	And I like that.
	I think it's very important.
	You know they're working for slave wages there.
	Hey, I have a theory here on the clown capade that is Donald Trump.
	I have the clip.
	Okay, we'll play your clip and I'll give you my theory.
	This is the clip.
	Wolf Blitzer had Trump on it, too.
	And Trump is just, he doesn't even pay any.
	And then he insults Blitzer, who calls him an idiot after that.
	And then he says, no, you're an idiot.
	I mean, what is this?
	This is ridiculous.
	I think I know what it is.
	Let's listen to your clip.
	On this birther issue after the state of Hawaii formally says this is the legitimate birth certificate.
	He was born in Hawaii.
	Why are you going through all of this, Don?
	Well, a lot of people don't agree with that birth certificate.
	But if the state of Hawaii authorizes it, if the state of Hawaii says this is official, he was born in Hawaii on this date, here it is, why do you deny that?
	A lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate.
	How can you say that?
	You won't report it, Wolf.
	But many people do not think it was authentic.
	His mother was not in the hospital.
	There were many other things that came out.
	And frankly, if you would report it accurately, I think you'd probably get better ratings than you're getting, which are pretty small.
	Donald, have you seen the actual newspaper announcements within days of his birth in Honolulu?
	For example, the Honolulu Star Bulletin, we'll put it up there.
	You see the birth announcement back in 1961.
	Listen to me, Donald.
	Can I ask the question?
	Donald, Donald, you're beginning to sound a little ridiculous.
	I have to tell you.
	Let me tell you something.
	I think you sound ridiculous.
	Okay.
	So I actually took a little different piece from that, but it's okay.
	I don't need to play it.
	Because what Trump is saying is, you guys, the media, you're playing this up.
	Actually, let me play the beginning of it, because it is kind of important for the next one that I have on this, for the theorem.
	Listen to the beginning here.
	Because what he said was wrong, and what he said was...
	He's talking about the reporter who teased Trump coming up about Trump being the birther guy.
	Almost as though President Obama wrote it, but I'm sure he knows that, and I thought it was a very inappropriate introduction, but go ahead with your first question.
	So what Trump is saying is, and he does go on to continue on this track, is that the president wrote this introduction about Trump being a crazy birther.
	And this is what CNN is propagating.
	And we had John Sununu.
	You want to give a quick background on John Sununu?
	Because he was a big wheel back in the day, right?
	He was, I think he was in the, was it the Nixon administration or the...
	I believe it was.
	Well, let's take a look.
	I think so.
	Well, you know.
	Consultant.
	All right, Sununu was the 75th governor of New Hampshire of 83 to 89, later White House chief of staff under George H.W. Oh, there you go.
	He's the father of John E. Sununu, which is another one.
	We have to know which one we're talking about, but I think this is the John H. is who we're talking about, who you refer to in this story.
	Right.
	Yeah, it was George H.W. But he was a big wheel, and he is now...
	Chief of staff.
	Yes, and he is now a consultant or something for the Republicans, maybe even directly on the Romney campaign.
	So, Soledad O'Brien, who you and I both know.
	You've worked with her, right, with Soledad?
	Yeah, she's sweet.
	She's very sweet, but she's out of her depth.
	So, of course, we've got the...
	We've got the vacation period with us now, which means absolutely no one is watching CNN. It was already bad, as Donald Trump pointed out there, quite funny.
	So she gets to fill in for Anderson Pooper and do all these things.
	But she's got the hubris of, like, I'm a real journalist to go with it, which is kind of a mistake.
	Johnson Unu is a well-practiced guy.
	Yeah, and he was also known, in fact, he was called the...
	Let's see if I have it here.
	Um...
	The Bush's bad cop.
	So this guy knows how to handle reporters, and he certainly knows how to handle Soledad O'Brien.
	And smoke is coming out of her ears when this goes down.
	But it's important to listen.
	A, it's just funny because Soledad is like, she's blowing it.
	And it's also funny because Tanunu is saying the same thing that Trump is saying, and I think that's where we're going to get into something interesting.
	The fact is, is that this country has a jobs problem.
	You see, he's doing the same thing.
	Why do you want to talk about the birther thing?
	It's ridiculous.
	Let's talk about jobs and the economy.
	And supporters of the president, like CNN, keep wanting to talk about other issues.
	You know what's interesting?
	Every time you ask anybody a hard question, they suddenly go to this, well, you must be supporting.
	This isn't a hard question.
	This is an easy question.
	Mitt Romney has made it clear he believes the President of the United States was born in the United States.
	Now we can talk about the big issues in this country.
	So let me ask a follow-up question.
	24 million people unemployed and 24 million people underemployed.
	Which I agree with you on that front.
	And we're going to get to that in one second.
	She's in the deep end without her ringlets on.
	I agree with you on that.
	We'll get to that.
	Before we get to that, I want to ask you, why does Mitt Romney not go further?
	For example, as I'm sure you have seen many times, when John McCain was posed a question by a woman who asked him a question, not only did he say, here's my position, he said to her, let me correct you.
	So I'm going to play that clip for you first.
	Aren't you embarrassed to be speaking directly from the Obama Speaking points that they distributed yesterday.
	She has this expression on her face like, uh, well, it's what I was told to do.
	Aren't you embarrassed to sound exactly like the Obama spokesman talking about John McCain?
	This is ridiculous.
	This is a clip that we have played before.
	You should be embarrassed.
	It's a conversation that's been had.
	Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	Let's talk jobs.
	Let's talk jobs.
	Is that because you don't want to talk about the fact that a major fundraiser is a broker?
	It's because that's not an issue.
	It's not an issue.
	There is nobody in the Romney campaign that believes that the president was not born in the United States.
	So then how come someone doesn't say, Donald Trump is wrong?
	Donald Trump is wrong.
	The president was born in the United States.
	That, I think, might be the first time.
	Well, thank you.
	No, it isn't, ma'am.
	No, it isn't.
	It's just because you don't read enough.
	He's mopping the floor with poor Soledad.
	Oh, this is bad.
	But he's probably right.
	I think there were some talking points that went out.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, definitely.
	And she was just repeating them.
	I don't know that she knows that the talking points were given to her because you have writers on these shows and they put some stuff on the prompter and you just go with it.
	The producer is the one.
	Here's what I think is happening.
	So there is actually a lot going on, a lot of research in Hawaii.
	And it's still, you know, the crazy Sheriff Arpaio.
	And to call him crazy, he's still an actual sheriff.
	And there is new evidence, I believe, that is going to come out.
	I think that the administration is aware of it.
	And they have hired Trump, because I don't trust Trump for a second.
	All I know that he's really good, I don't know if he's good at real estate or anything like that, I see his name on buildings.
	You know, as far as I'm concerned, he's just a front man for a whole bunch of other people.
	I think they have hired him to stir this up so that they can call everyone a nut job when the new evidence comes out.
	That's a good one.
	And I've seen some more deconstruction.
	And I do see CNN is on this continuously.
	They talk to someone in Hawaii, someone who was in the office.
	They show another guy getting his birth certificate from the Hawaii records office.
	And they say, oh, it's just like the one Obama got.
	It's exactly the same.
	Why don't they believe it?
	There's too much.
	It's, you know, you doth protesteth too much, me thinketh.
	It's too much going on.
	And I know that in the conspiracy birther circles, there is talk of a really great new evidence.
	And of course, we did recently have the president's own bio from his publisher come out saying...
	You know, born in Kenya, raised in Hawaii, and of course that was just a mistake, obviously.
	I mean, please, that was just a mistake.
	I think, if you look...
	Well, I don't know if it was a mistake or not.
	Some people consider you, we are, you know, thinking the guy's a psychopath.
	I'm being facetious, obviously, with how I say that.
	He used it to sell books.
	No, I think the cover-up...
	Is not...
	The Kenya thing was brought in to cover up something else.
	And that, I think, is the evidence that's going to come out.
	I believe that the whole born in Kenya, not born in Kenya, was covering up something else.
	They never expected the guy...
	They expected the guy to be important, they who control him.
	But they never really thought that he would make it all the way to the White House.
	And they blew the cover-up of something else.
	Maybe who his real father is.
	You know, we can't...
	That has been in the discussion before, I think two years ago.
	I think, I believe that I brought up this connection to this guy that his mom was having an affair with, who was a very famous, I don't have the documentation in front of me anymore, but I do remember it, which is, or I remember it, I don't do remember it, sorry.
	I can tell you, I can give you the name, keep going.
	Yeah, that guy.
	He's like a left-wing ideologue.
	And he looks more like...
	In fact, I recall the documentation on this showing pictures.
	Here's what Barack looks like now.
	Here's what his dad looks like now, the Kenyan dad.
	And here's what Barack looks like now.
	And here's this guy.
	They look like they're the same person.
	This guy looks just like Barack Obama.
	And there's a known fact that he was hanging out with his mom a lot.
	And that's the belief.
	Which makes him an American, by the way.
	Yeah, oh yeah, no, that's the interesting part.
	That's the irony of the whole thing.
	That is exactly the irony.
	It was Frank Marshall Davis.
	Yeah, that guy.
	That's the guy.
	We discussed this at least two years ago on this show.
	And I think somehow there's evidence about that.
	And who is this Frank Marshall Davis guy?
	I think there's going to be DNA stuff coming out.
	That's probably what's going to happen.
	So that's the rumor, is that there's DNA that will prove that Frank Marshall Davis was his father.
	That is the big rumor.
	Who was Frank Marshall Davis?
	Well, he was a famous left-wing communist, borderline communist, black radical, as I recall.
	What's his name again?
	Malcolm X? No, not him.
	No, it's Davis.
	Frank Marshall Davis.
	Frank Marshall.
	Oh, interesting.
	Let's look at the book of knowledge.
	He's from Honolulu.
	There you go.
	But, wow.
	Yeah, that's him there.
	Yeah, that guy.
	You know, we're so far ahead of the curve on this show, it's kind of sometimes...
	We forget, and then we have to go back, like, when are we talking about this?
	We don't remember.
	It's so long ago that we've discussed this stuff, and now it starts coming out, and we seem flat-footed, because we're way past this.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so here he is, 17, he was a news guy.
	Freelance articles, short stories, poetry, including things like Chicago's Congo Sonata for an Orchestra.
	He was a news guy.
	Yeah, progressive news guy.
	Let's see if there's anything about his radicalization.
	Disrupted industry and attracted attention from authorities.
	Workers conducted large strikes.
	This is the Democratic FBI. He was apparently tracked by the FBI. He also authored a hardcore pornographic novel, which would be a good one to get off of.
	Yeah.
	A book titled Sex Rebel, Black.
	Corn.
	Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet.
	Nice.
	Under the pseudonym Bob Green.
	Write that down.
	Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet.
	That's his porn book?
	He lectures at Howard.
	He's a poet.
	Some poet.
	I think that the reason why the birth certificate has been falsified is to cover up the fact That Barack Obama Sr.
	is not his father.
	It's Frank Marshall Davis.
	In his memoirs, Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama wrote about Frank, a friend of his grandfather's.
	Frank told Obama that he and Stanley, Obama's maternal grandmother or grandfather, had both grown up only 50 miles apart near Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii.
	He described the way race relations were back then, including Jim Crow and his view that there had been little progress since then.
	As Obama remembered, it made me smile thinking back on Frank and his old black-powered dashiki self.
	In some ways, he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith living in the same 60s time warp that Hawaii had created.
	Now, if I'm not mistaken, there's a connection between Obama's mother and Timothy Geithner.
	are.
	Yeah, there is.
	I remember that.
	We discussed that about a year ago with some detail, and that was because she worked for one of Geithner's operations as an assistant, and I think she knew him fairly well.
	Yeah, I don't know if that's got anything to do with this, but that connection does exist.
	Okay, Geithner's father, Peter Geithner, was the head of the Ford Foundation's Asia Grant Making in the 80s, including microfinance grants.
	Obama's mother Ann Dunham Sotero developed a microfinance program in Indonesia.
	So I think that that is the cover-up.
	The cover-up is the problem.
	I have to agree with you.
	I think he is an American, a natural-born citizen, but not the one that we've been told.
	And that cover-up is coming back to bite him in the ass.
	That's the problem.
	That's why they hired Donald Trump.
	You and I could hire him if we had enough money.
	He'd go out there and say, you know what?
	Wolf, the best podcast in the universe is no agenda show.
	How much do you think it would cost to get Trump to do that?
	A million?
	I don't think it would cost as much as you think.
	Really?
	You think it would be cheaper than that, huh?
	We could get Trump light.
	We could get his daughter.
	He's one of those guys.
	He works.
	He's a workaholic who would do anything for money.
	So I think, you know, 20 grand, you'd probably get him to do that.
	Really?
	Really?
	Well, let's put in a call.
	Who do we call for that?
	And I know these types of people.
	Do you know who to call?
	No, and I'm not doing it.
	We are in the best podcast in the universe.
	It would be cool if Trump said that.
	It would be worth 20,000.
	But not on CNN. It would have to be on a real news show.
	Yeah, CNN. People take one listen to this show and go, oh, these guys.
	No.
	He should do it on O'Reilly or something, where people are watching.
	I don't know how we're going to get a plug in O'Reilly show.
	Or ABC. Let's get Diane.
	Diane!
	Diane, I just want...
	Diane, you sauced up bitch, you.
	Listen, the best podcast in the universe.
	Have you ever heard that?
	She goes, what?
	What's a podcast?
	What?
	I don't know.
	Anyway, so I think that's what's going on there.
	That's a good theory.
	It's like a double whammy.
	It's a reverse on top of a reverse.
	It's a reverse psychology reversed.
	Of course, they're worried about the cover-up coming out, so hire Donald Trump to have CNN bitch at him.
	Yeah, it's a smoke screen.
	Yeah, because he and Sununu are both saying the same thing.
	Let's talk about jobs.
	No, no, you're part of the scam.
	You're part of the theater that is being set up.
	Unfortunately, Well, actually, this is a good place to do it because no one really watches CNN, but then the CNN clip gets used over and over because that Blitzer thing got used everywhere.
	So I think that it's a strategy, but if they have to resort to those types of tactics, then things are really out of control.
	They've got some real problems.
	You think Obama's got problems?
	Did you see what happened to Tony Blair in Gitmo Nation East?
	I love this.
	You know what, because of his PR guy?
	No.
	He's testifying again.
	The guy always has to testify.
	Oh, is the Iraq testifying?
	Yeah, exactly.
	We know the guys are war criminals, along with George W. Bush.
	Everybody seems to be...
	I mean, which will bring us back to the Charles Taylor thing, which I think is kind of interesting, since...
	A war criminal.
	I mean, this is...
	I don't know.
	This is...
	I would be...
	If I was president...
	We didn't talk about Charles Taylor yet.
	I know.
	I got some clips about that.
	But I was going to say, if I was president in today's world, especially after the Charles Taylor thing...
	You'd shut down the internet.
	Well, I'd do that anyway.
	But I just think that the idea, like what Obama's doing with these drones is just, he's not going to be able to go to Europe, ever.
	No, oh no, he's going to have to go to, you know...
	Paraguay.
	Paraguay, or maybe just go hang at the Bush Ranch.
	He's working for them anyway.
	Yeah, in Paraguay.
	Yeah, in Paraguay, exactly.
	So he's a very interesting...
	Three-parter, really, only a minute of audio, but a three-parter.
	So he's testifying, there's an interruption, and then what he does next really caught my attention.
	Labor Party policy at this stage, but we can check his evidence on that.
	I thought it was part of the five, but anyway.
	Okay, we should check it.
	Excuse me, this man should be arrested for war crimes.
	J.P. Morgan paid him off for the Iraq war.
	Three months after he invaded Iraq, he held up the Iraq bank for 20 billion.
	He was then paid six million dollars every year and still is from J.P. Morgan six months after he left office.
	The man is a war for you!
	Right on!
	Very good.
	I like this.
	Wow.
	And by the way, I totally...
	I missed that one.
	I totally agree.
	This was live.
	I totally agree with the J.P. Morgan connection.
	It's completely true.
	Blair got out.
	He's a hundred millionaire making all kinds of consulting fees.
	How do these guys be presidents?
	This never used to happen.
	Although it's claimed that Martin Van Buren was the first guy who monetized the presidency.
	And could come out of the presidency as a public servant richer than when he went in, which is what we saw with Clinton.
	Yes!
	A ludicrous amount of money.
	This is now the scam.
	It's not what you do while you're in office.
	It's what you set up to do when you're out of office so you get your compound in the Paraguay ranch.
	And so now the judge or the douchebag presiding over this court hearing has something to say.
	And, uh...
	I'd like to find out how this gentleman managed to access the court.
	Through what is supposed to be a secure corridor.
	I will assert that it was an inside job.
	I will assert that we have our people everywhere in all positions of power and the elite should be very worried about this because, of course, a guy can't just burst in through a secure corridor.
	No, because he was let in.
	This is how it works and we're everywhere and this is going to happen more and more and Blair's afraid of it.
	And I'll have an investigation undertaken about that immediately.
	I apologize.
	Fine.
	Can I just say, actually, on the record, what he said about Iraq and J.P. Morgan is completely and totally untrue.
	I've never had a discussion with them about that.
	Now, why would you do that, Blair?
	Why would you...
	It was not true what he said!
	That was a mistake.
	If you go back and play that clip again, he parses it in a funny way that...
	Just play it.
	On the record, what he said about Iraq and JP Morgan is completely and totally untrue.
	I've never had a discussion with them about that.
	Or any relationship between them and Iraq.
	I know.
	He says...
	I never had a discussion with them about that.
	Oh yeah, no, he's totally lying.
	That's what I mean.
	It's like...
	Why would you even...
	I mean, what an idiot.
	He just made it worse.
	Yeah, he should have just shook his head.
	And the judge tries to save him.
	You're entitled to say what you want.
	You should not feel it necessary to...
	Ixnay on the eight-man stay, airblay, idiot A. Zip the lip.
	Yeah, shut up, man.
	Shut up.
	I got this covered.
	Now, what are you doing?
	No, I appreciate that.
	But part of the difficulty, actually, with modern politics, and I'd say this not as a criticism of the media, is that my experience of the reporting of these events is that you can have a thousand people in a room and someone gets up and shouts or throws something.
	That's the news.
	Yeah, no, it's the truth.
	It's not the news.
	It's the truth.
	You're a war criminal.
	War criminal.
	So I thought that was kind of fun.
	And I hope we see a lot more of this.
	And that was clearly an inside job, the way the guy got in.
	Well, I think the judge is right.
	How did he get in?
	Yeah, because someone let him in.
	That's how it works.
	Or he was, yeah, or whatever.
	These are media hackers, man.
	So I'm watching, talking about war criminals.
	So I'm, is you used to hear Victoria Nuland?
	Yeah.
	Your buddy?
	Yeah, I have a couple State Department clips.
	Are we moving on to Syria, John?
	Yes.
	I promised I'd do that when we sent out the last newsletter.
	It was unavoidable.
	I'm sure you've got some better stuff than this, but this one thing got to me.
	Victoria Nuland is, of course, the spokeshole for the Department of State.
	She just seems like a dummy to me.
	This is an Ask Adam.
	Why don't you play that Victoria Nuland blames Iran for the Syria massacre?
	This morning we called in Syrian charge d'affaires, Zahir Jabbour, and informed him that he is no longer welcome in the United States and gave him 72 hours to depart.
	We took this action in response to the massacre in the village of Huala.
	Absolutely indefensible, vile, despicable massacre against innocent children.
	Hey, hold on a second.
	Stop it.
	Hey, back it up.
	Did she say indispensable?
	Let me listen again.
	Interesting choice of words.
	Well, despicable.
	Further back.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Here it comes.
	Through the massacre in the village of Huala, absolutely indefensible.
	Ah!
	She was going to say indefensible, then she said indefensible.
	Or she was going to say indispensable, and then she said indefensible.
	Interesting.
	Vile, despicable massacre against innocent children, women, shot at point-blank range by regime thugs, the Shabiha, Aided and abetted by the Iranians who were actually bragging about it over the weekend.
	Oh!
	All right, you can ask me.
	All right, where were the Iranians, and she said it right, by the way, Iranians bragging about it, bragging about it over the, I looked and looked and looked.
	They were not bragging about it.
	Well, why did she say they were bragging about it?
	And this got picked up by all the news media.
	They're behind it.
	There is so much disinformation going on about this hula hoop affair.
	So, of course, we need to step back just a few steps with the BBC starting off by...
	Talk about indefensible.
	The BBC showing a picture of Iraqi bodies...
	From 2006, I believe, and saying that those were the bodies of Syrians.
	Surely you've heard of this.
	Right, yeah.
	This was all over the place.
	And this is a picture.
	They used it on the front page of the BBC website, and it was from...
	It was from 2006, and it wasn't even in Syria.
	They got slammed by a bogus picture.
	And you don't know how much of this...
	And if you still watch the reports on the BBC, it's like, we can't confirm this video is the theme.
	Right.
	But they don't apologize for it.
	I think that's a major gaffe, major gaffe for an organization that claims to be so...
	They don't apologize for it?
	No, they have not apologized for this.
	They have not apologized.
	No, instead...
	Because they needed to distract something.
	Then they do the BBC nightly news.
	They talk about this Hula massacre.
	And they talk about the United Nations Security Council.
	That they are now discussing this.
	And they show the logo from Halo.
	The video game Halo.
	They show the United Nations Space Command logo.
	And I have to believe this is on purpose.
	We gotta distract the attention from this thing.
	Let's throw this up.
	And they apologized for that.
	That they did apologize for.
	So the BBC is very complicit in all this.
	And then we get...
	Well, of course, it is the exact same type of script as we've seen in Iraq.
	The same type of script we've seen in Libya.
	The key here is to bring in something about children.
	Let's listen to...
	Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr.
	United Nations is demanding an immediate ceasefire to end the bloodshed.
	Ladies and gentlemen, Australians have seen the bodies in Hula.
	Have we?
	Have we really now?
	I've seen pictures which looks like an auditorium.
	I saw pictures in a ditch.
	I saw the pictures on the BBC. I don't know what I'm seeing, Mr.
	Bob Carr.
	And they're appalled.
	Appalled.
	They're appalled that a regime could connive in or organise the...
	The execution, the killing of men, women and children.
	Okay, and then we have Alistair Berry from the Gitmo Nation East, Foreign Official Something Ministry Department.
	We're appalled.
	We're appalled.
	Same script.
	Appears to be credible reports.
	Appears to be credible reports.
	I mean, this is crazy.
	The Syrian regime has been responsible for the deaths of 92 civilians in Hula, including 32 children.
	The UN head of mission has been able to confirm the numbers and also that artillery tank shells have been used.
	If this is the case, then it's an act of pure naked savagery.
	Savagery, which is a technical term.
	And then the Guardian, they do the ultimate.
	They say, oh, we spoke for 15 minutes to a young boy.
	And the young boy tells this horrible, harrowing tale.
	And we don't have the boy's name.
	We don't have it on video.
	We just have their story.
	We have to believe the boy.
	That the Syrian troops came in, were killing.
	They shot five bullets through the door of our house.
	They said they wanted my father and my brother.
	They shot my mother.
	They shot my brother.
	I put his blood on me, so they thought I was dead.
	And this reminds me so much.
	Wait a minute.
	So these guys, let me get this straight.
	So these guys, according to the story, these guys come in, they shoot the dad, they shoot the brother, they shoot the mother, and then he rushes over to one of them, puts blood on himself, as I suppose the guys must be standing there that just shot these people.
	And so he pretends he's dead, and then the dummies go, oh, look at that kid there, he must be dead.
	What?
	What?
	This story makes zero sense.
	Read the entire Guardian article, 413.nashownotes.com, under the Syria node.
	You can see everything.
	And, of course, this is a complete callback to the so-called Naira defense or testimony that happened in the United States Congress.
	This is the next step.
	This was the girl who turned out to be the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador, and here was the tearful testimony she gave, which, of course, was the tipping point for all-out shock and awe.
	While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers coming to the hospital with guns.
	They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the children to die on the cold floor.
	And, of course, this was completely fabricated.
	It was a PR woman.
	An actress.
	Completely fabricated.
	And nobody's up in arms about the fact that this took place.
	I mean, it was actually admitted to after a while.
	Oh, well, you know, that's the way it goes.
	It's unbelievable to me how passive everybody is about these frauds.
	Let me play my real quick clip here on serious scam perspective.
	This is another BBC report where they're talking about one of these towns and it's from the camera and all the crew is on the side of the rebels who are shooting aimlessly.
	Just remember that when we were covering the other phony baloney.
	Yeah, they're just shooting into the air.
	Shooting into the air, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	But meanwhile, they admit that the troops, the government troops, have long since left the city, but these guys are still running around shooting, and this is what it sounds like.
	There's no sign of Kofi Annan's plea for peace in Syria being heeded.
	Latest pictures show outbreaks of violence in different parts of the country.
	Syrian forces may have pulled back from this checkpoint near Hula, where last Friday's massacre took place, but the government still insists that terrorists, not its forces, carried out the atrocities.
	The Syrian government, the Syrian people, are extremely troubled with this heinous and unjustified terrorist crime that took place in Hula.
	Yeah.
	Well, of course, it's Al-Qaeda, and that's the CIA operatives.
	So then I watched yesterday's State Department press conference.
	Newland has been moved out.
	They had to bring in Toner, Mark Toner.
	Oh, Newland.
	Well, it's probably because somebody looked into this celebration by the Iranians that never took place.
	So here's the talking points, and it's very interesting what took place here.
	I have three separate clips.
	The first one, and some of this is hard to hear because they don't always turn the mic on the journalists.
	Good journalists in this crowd.
	You never, ever, ever see these press conferences on the news.
	I love watching them.
	They're kind of tedious because sometimes it's total bull crap.
	So here is an important kickoff to the questioning about Syria.
	I mean, when the observers are there...
	They are stopping violence.
	You're seeing that people are allowed to really...
	Now you hear what she said?
	She already said peacekeepers.
	It's not observers now.
	We now move from observers to peacekeepers.
	Very key differentiation here.
	We call them peacekeepers, but what it does speak to is the fact that their very presence as witnesses, as monitors, can often prevent the government from carrying out atrocities.
	But does that not sort of overstate their mandate?
	I mean, what is the difference between that and what peacekeepers do?
	Well, I'd refer you to the UN for the clear delineation between the two.
	He's slick.
	Toner's slick.
	You said you're working to convene the security council.
	So what kind of resolution are you looking for?
	Is it under Chapter 7, you insist on it, or just condemnation?
	Well, I think we're looking, again, I don't want to predetermine or prejudge what might come out of it.
	The Secretary has mentioned Chapter 7 resolution, but let's wait and see.
	Okay, Chapter 7.
	The Secretary, that would be Lucifer Ecliptic, like Hillary Clinton, has mentioned Chapter 7.
	We've seen this move from 5 to 6 to 7.
	And here we are.
	Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter, Article 41.
	The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force or be to employ to give effect to its decisions and may call upon the members of the United Nations to apply such measures.
	These may include...
	These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, other means of communication.
	Then we move on to Article 42.
	Should the Security Council consider that measure provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or prove to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security.
	Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of the members of the United Nations.
	So we're on deck.
	We're on deck to implement a Chapter 7 resolution, which will mean no-fly zone, droning, bombing, etc.
	And now we get to...
	Now Toner messes it up, and Jill and Matt...
	Matt is the guy we love.
	Jill is, she's the woman from, oh, what's her last name?
	The blonde, kind of thin face.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	She's good.
	She's good.
	So they're not letting up, because he slips up.
	Are you guys on Syria as well?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	That overall...
	The question is why the United States at this point is willing to not really lead.
	The United States is allowing a whole bunch of people, a whole bunch of countries to kind of lumber along.
	And make it up as they go along.
	Something doesn't work.
	Sounds like a science experiment.
	You know, let's try a little bit of this, let's try a little bit of that.
	And when you look at the horror right now...
	Horror!
	Everyone is saying it's a tipping point.
	Ah!
	Ah!
	Ooh!
	Ooh!
	Key word!
	Let's see if we can latch on to the tipping point.
	How long do you let this experiment go on?
	Well, you know, you're absolutely right in expressing horror about what happened in Hula on Friday.
	Kofi Annan referred to it as a tipping point.
	Certainly, we'd like to see other nations within the Security Council view it in the same light so that we can bring that concerted effort that we feel is necessary to basically take Assad out of this we'd like to see other nations within the Security Council view it in the same light so that
	So it's as if John C. Dvorak was transported into the press conference, into the body of Matt, and saying, "Well, tipping point!
	What a tipping point of what?
	Yeah, sure.
	Does the administration agree with the former Secretary General that this is a tipping point?
	And if so, it's a tipping point for what?
	More inaction?
	I think, you know, you can call it a wake-up call, you can call it a tipping point, but I think that, you know, the events that took place in Hula, even in a...
	A struggle that's been marked by really some profound atrocities that Hula reached a new level of heart.
	I understand, but tipping point for what?
	Again, tipping point for more international action in concert against Assad and the regime.
	And you would argue that the expulsion of the diplomats by a group of countries is the beginning of the more concerted action?
	Look, I think we're going to continue to apply pressure, bring pressure to bear where we can and where it's most effective.
	You know, Tory spoke to the expulsion of these ambassadors or charges yesterday as a political statement.
	The administration sees that as the beginning of a new concerted push against us.
	This administration has been pushing as hard as it can.
	He's trying to get him to say it.
	Yeah, does it get him to say it?
	Probably not.
	Well, the tipping point thing keeps coming back.
	Tipping point, tipping point, wake-up call, tipping point, whatever.
	But then, just to wrap up what I've got here, PJ Crowley.
	Who's PJ Crowley?
	I know this guy.
	Is he a writer?
	Well, if he's at the press conference, I would have hoped so.
	No, no, no, no.
	This is on Maddow, actually, which was interesting.
	P.J. Crowley.
	Let's do a thing that we can do.
	It's one of the rare things that we can manage to do here on this show.
	He's a former United States Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs.
	For Public Affairs.
	He's another PR stooge.
	He says something on Rachel Maddow that I found to be interesting.
	Joining us now is P.J. Crowley.
	He's a former assistant secretary and spokesman at the State Department.
	He's currently the Omar Bradley chair in strategic leadership at Penn State, Dickinson College, and the Army War College.
	Mr.
	Crowley is also a retired colonel who served 26 years in the Air Force.
	Okay, retired colonel.
	So he understands the importance of Syria, which we still don't understand, but I think he lets it slip here.
	P.J. Crowley, thank you for being here.
	Pleasure, Rachel.
	The details of the Khula massacre are...
	Are awful enough without knowing who did it.
	The State Department very strongly emphasizing today not just that it was militia, but that it was Syrian militia aided by Iran.
	Is that the thing that an exclamation point should be on here?
	Is that the most important part of this?
	It's one of two.
	And the report highlighted the other one, which is where does Russia go since Syria is its most significant remaining client state in the Middle East, its entry into influence in the region.
	If Russia shifts, a lot of things that have not been possible over the past year become possible.
	What does that mean?
	Pipelines, probably.
	What?
	I hate to throw that back.
	By the way, just as an aside, I used to bring in Rachel Maddow clips and you did nothing but grouse about it.
	Just mentioning this.
	Sure, but this is a guest who's on our show.
	It's different.
	It's about...
	No, I wouldn't just have Rachel yakking away.
	I always had guests.
	Let's go on.
	Okay, so this guy says something fundamentally changes.
	Listen to it again.
	If Russia shifts, a lot of things that have not been possible over the past year become possible.
	If Russia shifts, a lot of things...
	Which means that they go along with the program, which they're not doing.
	They've already said that they're going to veto any Security Council measure against Syria.
	That's what they've said.
	And so we know we're in negotiations with Russia about this in some way or other because this has been going on for a while.
	We've been pointing this out on the show for six months.
	More than a year.
	Right, because once we established that they had the ports there and all the rest of it.
	And so Russia's still got their arms folded and they're saying, no, not yet.
	No, no, you better do a better deal than that.
	Or something is up.
	With our dealing with the Russians, and as soon as we get them to sign off, which they'll do eventually, because we'll cave on something and let the Russians have, like, Eastern Europe or something.
	Who knows what we're going to give up.
	Hey, have that crap over there.
	Take that Eastern Europe thing.
	And then the Russians will say, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is terrible.
	I'm looking at the front page of today's New York Times, and Syria's atop of the news, and there's a woman holding her kid.
	Who's wondering why he's being held.
	I think she's bawling about because he got hurt himself or something.
	And it's like shot, I guess.
	I'm giving you some sound effects.
	So when the Russians give in or when you negotiate them some deal, they'll say, okay, we're going to do it.
	They're going to do the whole scheme again.
	It's worked every time.
	Nobody's complaining about the no-fly zone, the Viagra, the rapes.
	All this stuff will come right back into the news and it's going to be part of the cycle.
	And then Syria will go down and become part of who knows who's going to take that over.
	Whatever the case is, that changes something fundamentally.
	It's our job to figure out what that fundamental change is and what does it mean.
	And I would probably guess, I'm sure it's a pipeline or oil.
	There's something to do with oil or pipe.
	I mean, Syria's a poor country.
	Yeah.
	They don't have any real resources, so they either are a transit point or there's something up.
	Well, they've got pipelines.
	We know that they've got pipelines.
	They've got pipelines going up.
	They've got pipelines up left and right.
	That's what this is about.
	We've already established that because homes is pipeline.
	It's all pipelines.
	Maybe he gives us another clue in the next bit here.
	Hold on a second.
	Pick it up here.
	And by the way, this is the guy who got essentially fired from his job for saying something about Bradley Manning, saying it was like, you know, this is bullcrap what you're doing to this guy.
	I believe.
	And he also makes a lot of snide remarks which got him kicked out.
	He's a loose cannon.
	I don't think he should have said this.
	He messed something up here with this Russia comment.
	This is perhaps the beginning of a process where Russia will recalculate and will make more clear that while it supports the Syrian regime, it may or may not continue to support Bashar al-Assad.
	So the fact that Russia took this one step is very important, but the thing to watch is what Russia does next.
	Do they revert to their old position or do they stick with this new one?
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Well, we have to figure it out.
	Yes, we have to figure it out first.
	Now, if it's just a simple pipeline situation, it doesn't sound that fundamentally different because those pipelines were going through anyway.
	Well, they want it to come from the Mediterranean.
	That's the only thing I can imagine is they want either flowing in or out or both ways through the Mediterranean.
	And, of course, we know that right after Syria, Lebanon is on the list and already Lebanon is being brought into it.
	You're hearing more and more of that.
	Yeah, it started pretty much a month ago.
	We need the briefings.
	We just need to be on them.
	Can't we just get on the mailing list?
	You can get on a lot of mailing lists.
	It's just the same talking points that Sununu was complaining about.
	I want to get on the mailing list, man.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Somebody should be able to forward us more stuff than we get.
	Did I hear you talking on the Horowitz Dvorak Unplugged show that you use a Geiger counter to see if the fish you're eating have radiation?
	Did I hear you actually say that?
	We do have Geiger counters in our family.
	That's not my question.
	We have checked, yes, as a matter of fact.
	We eat a lot of sushi.
	And we have a market called Tokyo Fish Market that's local.
	And every so often, a bunch of fish comes in from Japan.
	And it's various tunas or whatever.
	And we've checked them.
	We've just routinely checked our fish once in a while.
	No, nothing.
	I think...
	You think this is crazy?
	Yeah.
	Yes, I do.
	Why?
	Geiger counters are very handy.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't think that's crazy.
	I think what's happened here is another fantastic – first of all, you and I will agree on one.
	We're going to disagree somewhere here.
	We agree that there's been a decades-long concerted effort against nuclear energy, which is probably really bad because if you want to get rid of all of the problems of so-called global warming, everything, nuclear energy is clearly the safest way to go.
	Yeah, I think the French have shown that.
	But it is clearly the safest way.
	We haven't seen millions of people die.
	It's just not true.
	Also, there was, now, you know, I don't know enough about nuclear energy, but I do read contrarian reports, you know, Tom McRod Adams, who I really like reading his stuff, and I correspond with him a lot.
	He was on a nuclear sub for 30-plus years, actually 33 years, which kind of makes me suspicious about our conversation, but okay.
	30 plus years.
	And he's very clear.
	People always talk about a meltdown and all this stuff.
	There was no meltdown.
	There was no huge radiation-killing cloud.
	But I think what has happened is the conspiracy alternative internet media...
	It has this meme going that they're covering up the huge radiation.
	They're covering it up.
	Yeah, I've seen this too.
	And they're fueling this.
	We get an email from a lot of our listeners that point out.
	And you read this stuff and it's like, you talk about, you know, it's bull crap.
	And I think that they are feeding this by making it sound more secret.
	So no one is actually coming out and saying, yeah, our fish are radiated.
	Although this report from NBC, Brian Williams, the lead-in alone is The disinformation blew me away.
	And I think it's solely intended to fire up more conspiracies so that we'll never, ever, ever get nuclear energy because it's going to kill us by eating radiated fish, which obviously has not happened yet because you've been checking your...
	And I like this.
	You've been checking your fish from Japan.
	No radiation.
	Listen to this.
	A bluefin tuna caught off the California coast have been found to contain elevated levels of radioactive matter dating back to the Japanese earthquake and tsunami that led to that nuclear accident.
	How does that?
	How?
	Wait a minute.
	Can you date this?
	He said...
	You know what it says.
	Can you date radiation?
	That's bullcrap.
	That's ludicrous.
	So he's setting it up.
	Oh, it's dating back to the Fukushima reactor.
	He's feeding the conspiracy.
	He's feeding the beast.
	Would you disagree?
	No, I wouldn't disagree at all.
	And I wonder how that tuna got over here.
	We don't have a lot of blue fish floating around the coast off of Long Beach.
	Are you kidding me?
	They have graphs and charts and everything.
	Fukushima power plant.
	Our report tonight from NBC's Miguel Almaguerre.
	Today at the San Pedro Fish Market in Southern California, Dan Cadota inspects the catch of the day and stressed his fish are safe to eat.
	The word radiation creates fear in people.
	The 15 bluefin tuna caught and tested off California's coast last summer showed low levels of radiation, but still ten times higher than normal.
	Scientists say it's the first time a fast-moving migrating fish has been shown to carry radioactivity from Japanese water.
	How did they know that they were radiated from Japan?
	Yeah, there could be a big pile of radiation in the middle of the ocean that they feed on for all we know.
	Did he have Tokyo license plates or something?
	Or, you know, how did he know?
	We almost didn't believe it, to tell you the truth.
	But then we got paid to tell you.
	Dr.
	Nicholas Fisher, professor of marine science.
	I love it.
	Don't you love the name?
	Yeah.
	Code.
	There's code.
	Sciences co-authored the study.
	Every single fish was significantly contaminated with two radioisotopes of cesium.
	These are common waste products from nuclear accidents.
	You hear how they cut them off?
	Common waste products, and he says nuclear accidents, and then there's a whole other list of common waste products, but they cut them off right there to distort the report.
	Products from nuclear accidents.
	The research shows the bluefin tuna that spawn and feed in the waters near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
	Yeah, they're right there.
	They're nibbling on the rods.
	That's what you're supposed to think.
	Oh man, these tuna, they're just sitting there just like sucking up all that radiated water.
	Migrated some 6,000 miles.
	Ooh, and boy are my fins tired.
	Reaching Southern California just a few months after the disaster.
	Though the sample fish are contaminated, the levels are far lower than what's considered dangerous.
	So what?
	Yeah, well that's the whole point.
	The FDA? The FDA said they'll continue to monitor for radiation, and no public health concern has been detected.
	I read all the levels, etc.
	Yeah, it's elevated, but it's still so incredibly minute.
	But this is a beautiful campaign to continue to have people, and now it's our people who have been completely indoctrinated and are afraid of nuclear energy.
	There has been no meltdown.
	People keep talking about a true meltdown as something completely different.
	There was no meltdown.
	This has been refuted by many, many experts.
	And by the way, now we have a new shill coming in to the, you know, that douchebag resign, the, what was his name, Jorzak, or what was his name?
	A shill for what?
	The Nuclear Energy Commission of the United States, the guy who was mean to women.
	Yeah, I haven't been following it at all.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, we talked about it on the show.
	I'm reading this stuff about this, the bluefin.
	For one thing, I didn't know we caught bluefin off our own coast, which is amazingly delicious, by the way.
	But this is pretty screwy, this story.
	Oh, here's Atomic Rod.
	He just posted something today.
	A scientist who measured the cesium and performed the isotopic analysis to conclusively prove that the cesium came from the Fukushima power plants...
	We're justifiably proud of their skilled use of sensitive scientific tools and analytical methods.
	They published their peer-reviewed paper in the reputable journal.
	The authors did a good job of selecting their paper's title.
	It's garnered vastly more attention.
	Hold on, let me see.
	I'm sure Rod has some refute on this I've got to get into this more but so Okay, so good.
	I'm not off base, at least on his side.
	I've got to tell you, I'm a pro-nuke guy.
	I think it's great.
	Yeah, we've had accidents.
	We've learned.
	We get better.
	Chernobyl was definitely bad.
	I think maybe 50,000 people died.
	That was quite a while ago.
	Three Mile Island, no one died.
	Then we had Fukushima.
	20,000 people died in the tsunami and a couple people in the blast.
	I'm just not buying it.
	I am not believing this.
	I really am not buying it.
	I think your position is okay.
	I mean, the old left progressives in the United States are all panicky about this.
	The old ladies.
	I'm kind of a coal guy myself, but that's another story.
	Greg Jackso, he's the guy who resigned.
	He was the meanie.
	But now they brought in...
	I think she's already been...
	What is it?
	Not certified, but what's the word?
	Certifiable.
	They're all certifiable.
	Licensed.
	No, when you're approved by the Senate.
	Oh, confirmed.
	Confirmed, yeah.
	Allison McFarlane.
	Is the new chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
	Okay, no, no.
	She's under confirmation now.
	And she's an anti-nuker.
	And she's the head of the commission?
	If she's confirmed.
	What is the point?
	This is like putting these teetotaling prohibitionists ahead of the alcohol board.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's kind of the point.
	It's dumb.
	Because it protects the petrochemical world that we live in.
	That's why.
	It totally...
	And when you look at the uses of thorium, I mean, you know, it's just...
	We're being so indoctrinated.
	And the sad thing is that our people now, the alternative media, are calling, whoa, big cover-up.
	Oh, we're all going to die from the radiation.
	Alex Jones is selling iodine packs.
	Give me a break.
	There's your disinfo agent right there.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	That's bullcrap.
	That's completely not based on any type of science.
	And people give me incredible grief about this, John.
	When I say I like it, I think nuclear is good and this whole radiated fish is bullcrap.
	Proof in the pudding, my podcast partner, John C. Dvorak, has a Geiger counter and checks his sushi.
	What more proof do you need?
	I ask yous.
	Geiger counters are cool.
	Anyway, yeah, there hasn't been any issues with the sushi.
	I think we better take a break.
	I was trying to start it, but you keep saying something extra.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Radiating Sushi!
	So we made up for Sunday because we had a miserable Sunday, but now, unfortunately, it unbalances the show.
	I wish people would...
	You have to understand, if we can make it more balanced, then we can have...
	We don't have to chew up all the time on a Thursday show.
	People should...
	Make a point.
	And I would say this.
	If you want to get an executive producership on the cheap, this upcoming Sunday will be a good time because I think we'll probably show in short again.
	And here we go with the cycle.
	But meanwhile, Peter Bennett in Brooklyn, Ontario, 12407, which is the most uninteresting number in the universe, is Welcome from Gitmo Tim Hortons.
	Now, Tim Horton is a hamburger chain up in Canada, and I will say that I like Tim Horton.
	I like these burgers.
	You go to the place, it's a very kind of a weird old-fashioned place where they make you the basic burger, and then there's all these condiments that you put on it yourself.
	And so you can put all kinds of crazy stuff on these burgers, and they're actually very good.
	Do they come with isotopes?
	I'll bring the Geiger counter next time.
	I want an Isotope burger!
	I like a Tim Hortons.
	Semi-donation of the most uninteresting number.
	It comes with a built-in endorsement of the slide whistle.
	I've sent a picture of my dedication to this number in separate email.
	I was driving along and looked down at my odometer, read 12407.
	It did.
	That was fantastic.
	I slammed I jumped on the brakes and took a picture.
	I also noticed, got rear-ended.
	I also noticed there's a flaw to one of your brain worms, which was when in your car, think of D for donate and N for no agenda.
	Unfortunately, my car, the D, which is drive, is followed by Odo, which makes me a dodo.
	And douchebag our king, Stephen Harper is a douchebag.
	Oh, okay.
	Douchebag!
	Robert Goschko.
	Sir Robert Goschko to you.
	Sherwood Park, Albert.
	Another Canadian.
	12407.
	The Canadians are into this.
	ITM John and Adam from Gitmo Nation.
	Back bacon.
	Keep up the good work on the best podcast in the universe.
	He needs one hot MILF, which is the kid.
	One hot MILF. A karma shot for his dame.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	The MILF thing is the MILF baby, right?
	Okay.
	Here we go.
	That's one hot MILF baby.
	You've got karma.
	Keep me on my toes.
	Sir Jason Hoffman, Parts Unknown.
	Oh, actually, he's in Gitmo Nation Pizza Pie at the moment, Italy again, 11117.
	I want to do a 11111 donation, but also decided to vote on the sliding whistle, so 111.17.
	I like it, but I think it should be exclusive to John since he was originally his gig.
	It doesn't bother me.
	And actually, Adam does play it better.
	I don't think I do.
	I emailed my senators regarding loss and I'll forward their response along to Adam if they have anything interesting to say.
	Please give a good douchebag call out to Jordan Kunkel.
	Douchebag!
	I turned him on to the show ages ago and he still hasn't donated the boner.
	And please give a birthday shout out to my brother Matt.
	We have him on the list who turns 24.
	As always, keep up good work creating the best podcast in the universe.
	William Fleming, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 10101.
	Donation for your hard work for John's Theremin Fund.
	Yes.
	Theremin?
	Theremin.
	That's what I need.
	Sir John Schumann, Madison.
	You know that...
	Oh, right, right, right.
	That thing.
	John Schumann, Madison, Wisconsin.
	$100.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	Franklin Kaczynski or Kaczynski in Racine, Wisconsin.
	$100.
	First ever donation from Franklin Kaczynski in Racine, Wisconsin.
	This donation is dedicated to blogger and historian John J. Reilly, who is hospitalized with life-threatening pneumonia.
	I highly recommend reading through his blog archive and book reviews.
	Ownership of his site, johnreilly.info, may lapse if he doesn't recover.
	If you're looking for fractals, you haven't seen anything yet.
	Well, I'm going there right after the show.
	On another note, please pronounce the city of Menasha, Wisconsin correctly.
	It's Menasha.
	Like Cash.
	Menashe.
	Menashe.
	You did it wrong.
	Even while he explained it, you did it wrong.
	Yeah, well, the way he's got it written is not right.
	Black Knight McTank from Playa Del Rey, California, $100.
	Huntsman Karma?
	He needs...
	I thought we were going to finish the note.
	Okay.
	For the North Agenda listeners and hosts, Best Podcasting Universe.
	You've got karma.
	Now, mine fell apart here on this spreadsheet.
	Yeah, mine too.
	Hochul.
	I think it's Hochul.
	That's O with an umlaut.
	Oh, Hochul.
	Hochul.
	Yeah, Melrose somewhere.
	$100 for him.
	Melrose, Germany.
	In Hesperia, California, $100.
	Pronounced Ed Laboutier.
	Laboutier.
	Okay.
	Dude, you guys are great.
	Chris Abraham in Arlington, Virginia.
	$100 because I love.
	Please hit me with some karma, Adam.
	Amazing on Twit, Adam.
	So smart.
	You pawn them.
	Pwn them.
	Pwn them.
	John, you're right about the PR and marketing cabal.
	Adam just lost my mom in a quick six weeks to meliodysplastic syndrome.
	Yuck.
	Your DSC shot to your mom.
	RIP really moved me.
	Thanks, Guy.
	Thank you for sharing.
	Did he need his karma or something?
	I'm going to give him karma.
	Yeah, for sure.
	You've got karma.
	Bradford Alien in Lake Charles, Louisiana, $100.
	Ryan Moore, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, $80.
	I succumbed to your poor-mouthing and donated $80 this week.
	I sent a note back.
	I said, you know, my mom used to use that word.
	Poor-mouthing?
	Poor-mouthing.
	I said, if she was alive today, she'd be $100.
	I don't think people say that anymore.
	Thanks for the continued excellence, innovation, entertainment, and value.
	It's exactly what we do.
	If I could kindly request a de-douching and some losing weight karma, it would be greatly appreciated.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	From Belzer, South Carolina, Sir Tim Humer, 7777.
	Thanks for providing the best podcast in the universe with some awesome recipes.
	My girlfriend and I cooked the No Agenda chicken this weekend, and it was awesome.
	While eating the chicken...
	I heard my favorite jingle, You Will Obey.
	And I knew it was a sign that I needed to donate.
	Here is a super slide whistle donation and I would like to request a Hey Citizen, You Will Obey jingle.
	Please keep up the good work and to all the boners you need to get off your arse and become donors.
	You will obey.
	Hey Citizen.
	Too many buttons.
	You've got karma.
	Too many buttons.
	Too many buttons, he says.
	William Smock.
	Smock, smock!
	In San Diego, California, it's a reference to Steve Allen.
	$75.75, a little post-birthday money for me and a little less bellyaching from you.
	Really enjoy...
	This show is about bellyaching.
	Really enjoy the work you guys do.
	Erin Newberry in Aurora, Colorado.
	$75.
	Please give my human resource daughter, Bella, a birthday shout-out.
	We've got that.
	She'll be turning 16 on May 31st.
	She finds your show very humorous and informative.
	I tried to teach her...
	That what is said on the news or taught in school isn't always the truth and you should research a matter before forming an opinion.
	Your show has helped with this.
	Good.
	Scott Spencer in Dawsonville, Georgia, 7007.
	Part 2.
	Scott from Dawsonville again.
	Please don't mention my last name.
	Too bad.
	Okay, I'm more drunk now than I was...
	Okay.
	I'm more drunk now than I was before a great show.
	I've been listening longer.
	Here's a few more dollars.
	Shouldn't do it, but what the hell?
	I need sleep.
	Good night.
	Slide whistle?
	Give him a slide whistle.
	That's it.
	Joe the Dish Slave.
	Sir Joe the Dish Slave to you in Stockton, California.
	6969.
	Oh, the trend continues towards my wife's damehood.
	I want to send a big thanks to Paul in Kansas for mentioning our show, The Ozone Nightmare, during his donation.
	Note last show.
	We've got a small but fantastic audience, so someone taking the time to say they enjoy what we do makes me feel like a million bucks.
	Please fire some karma off to Paul.
	All right, Paul.
	You've got karma.
	Frank Kruger in Seattle, Washington, 6969.
	Been listening to the show since the early days and will be devastated to lose the best podcast in the universe.
	You keep me sane for the past five years.
	Take my money and keep on going.
	Jesse Cruz, Highland Park, Illinois, 6969.
	As the trend continues in the morning, John and Adam, I was listening to a co-worker the other day about candy and I accidentally pronounced it as skillets instead of skittles.
	It felt like a douchebag.
	It is a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	It happens.
	Don't worry.
	It happens to the best of us.
	Damien Taman, Sir Damien Taman, to you in Perth, our favorite town, 6969.
	Rothleeman, Lehman, you know, Vodensville somewhere, 6969.
	Sam Lung, Black Knight Sam Lung in Toronto, 6969.
	Thanks for another great show.
	It's something for the No Agenda Conference to keep the show going.
	I love you both for struggling with my last name.
	I found John's point on the last show about Clippity Clop being the most influential female politician in Washington.
	It would be quite interesting.
	I always saw cabinet and secretary positions to be more in line with public servants rather than politicians.
	Mm-hmm.
	Good point.
	Yeah, very good point.
	Words have meaning, and they do.
	I think the media is jumping or trumping up people in those positions rather than putting them in their place.
	Sit down, Lucifer!
	Yeah, I think he's dead right.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	Good point, Sir Black Knight.
	We'll get that pronunciation straight eventually.
	Lebanon, Oregon, 6969.
	Who is this?
	Who is this?
	Ethan Stroop.
	Oh, Ethan, right.
	After being called out as a douchebag on your last show, I was fired at my job at the Home Depot.
	Oh, that's bad.
	All that was a well-deserved dose of anti-karma.
	I figured I'd better donate before anything else bad happens.
	Please give me some slide whistle, find-a-job karma, and call out my dad, Trevor, as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	Not donating.
	Not for not donating, but for not marrying his professor girlfriend so that I could go to college for free.
	Yeah, no alternative motive there.
	And to my dad, suck it!
	I'll use my money however I want.
	Let's give him some karma.
	You've got karma.
	Good things in store for you, sir.
	Scott Tolstoy.
	No relation, I would assume.
	Palantine or Illinois.
	5888.
	Here we go.
	I'm donating drug.
	Wait, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	I want to tell you I really love the show.
	I need a citizen with CARBA because my parents-in-law is coming, and I will leave with us, I don't know, two years, maybe more.
	Oh, boy, I was trying to avoid that.
	But it didn't work out.
	So I really need big ass karma to survive this.
	Also, can you shout out happy birthday to Clink?
	This is a great guy.
	Great guy.
	And we're always throwing codes at each other like a ping pong game.
	Left, right, left, right.
	Always trying to propagate the formula.
	I need more instructions.
	I love the best podcast in the universe.
	Going back to work because I'm working drunk or I'm drunk because of it.
	Oh, man.
	All right.
	Awesome donation.
	You've got karma.
	Big-ass karma.
	Drunk karma is the best.
	Big-ass karma.
	Liberty Deck, Green River, Wyoming.
	5510, Double Eagles on a Dime from Schorler, Colfax, and Green River.
	All right.
	Liberty Deck.
	Yeah, that was Liberty Deck.
	Okay.
	Andrew Gardner, Sir Andrew Gardner, our friend in Avenue, Maryland, 5312, please send birthday wishes to Krista, formerly the cripple from Pennsylvania for her birthday.
	That was Monday.
	I feel horrible for getting the call because I was hitting them in the mouth at the racetrack, ITM. I wanted to donate on Saturday to get karma for my races on Sunday and Monday, but I had no data service on my phone.
	The pre-karma work, the donation of 5312 is 50 plus my race number 312.
	I would give more, but recent happenings at work left me a little low on spare cash.
	I filled out the paperwork, and he went on and on and on.
	So looking forward to spreading, hitting them in the mouth again June 16th through 17th at the Virginia International Raceway.
	We talked about him earlier and his little note on the...
	Give him a little karma there.
	Nice.
	You've got karma.
	Podcast for Peace.
	Donated 5150 saying, I will obey.
	Robert Stokes, Oklahoma City, 5033.
	Keep it the production, Slaves.
	You guys are great.
	Two no-agenda shows and my favorite two twits on Twit.
	What a week.
	Tim and Thomas, I know you are listening.
	Don't be freeloading douchebags.
	Douchebags.
	Osmond Sporting Goods in Wilmington, North Carolina to the Lennon and McCartney of podcasting.
	Wait a minute.
	Who's the Lennon?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to be the Lennon.
	And who's the Mark Chapman?
	Mark David Chapman of podcasting.
	Who's going to give us two to the head?
	Hopefully no one.
	William Bowman.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Bachman.
	He made it in Port something.
	I don't know where.
	I can't see the rest of this.
	Let me slide this over.
	Port Huna.
	I don't know what it is.
	Anyway, in California, he says, just 50 small steps toward eventual night who had $50.
	Several...
	Shows ago, you slaughtered my name.
	I want to challenge everybody out there to look at this name.
	It's B-A-U-G-H-M-A-N, which should be pronounced Bauman, it seems to me.
	Yeah, I would say, and I think I said Bauman, actually.
	Well, Bauman is the way I pronounce it, but it's Bachman.
	Yeah.
	He needs some karma.
	Consultant karma for his friends.
	They need new contracts badly.
	Right on.
	You've got karma.
	Giving karma away is very powerful.
	So, Marysville, Kansas has an anonymous donation.
	50 Atlantic Beach, Florida.
	$50 sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection has pulled this money from the collection plate.
	And that's David Martin and also David Nichols in Cottage Grove, Minnesota.
	$50 with no note that I have seen.
	But anyway, I want to thank all these people.
	This was a great group of contributors and producers and we want to thank them very much for this week's friendship.
	Yeah, because listening to Rachel Maddow is not easy.
	Is it?
	No.
	It's very difficult.
	She's so snide.
	She's snide.
	She is.
	She's very annoying.
	I find her to be the most annoying of all the hosts.
	She was much better when Olbermann was there to tell her how to do it.
	Right.
	Anyway.
	Yes, this was a good showing.
	Thank you all so much.
	And also, of course, again, our executive producers and associate executive producers, all of these names will be in the credits on our show notes, 413.nashownotes.com.
	Keep that coming.
	Be a donor, not a boner.
	And, of course, karma, I think, is even better when you give it away, but requesting it appears to work as well.
	So far, we've had like one or maybe two in as many years negative comments on the karma.
	I don't know how it works.
	Yeah, most people document good things.
	But I don't know if the douchebag is anti-karma, as one person seems to suggest in this series.
	At the end of the day, it's all about value for value, and it's a model that can only work with this type of program because there's no way you could not have an agenda and run commercials.
	Take that, Zuck.
	It's your birthday, birthday!
	I, I, I, I, I know what you're about!
	Christopher Wolfe congratulates himself.
	He celebrated yesterday.
	Sir Jason Hoffman wants to say happy birthday to his brother Matt turned 24 last Tuesday.
	Erin Newberry's daughter Bella turned 16 today.
	And she likes the show.
	We're happy to hear that.
	Scott Tolstoy says happy birthday to Clink.
	And Sir Andrew Gardner says happy birthday to the lovely cripple from PA, Krista Gardner.
	Her birthday was last Monday.
	Happy birthday from all you buddies here at the No Agenda Show!
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	And so we've got a one, two, three, four, including Gordon Walton, who will be knighted.
	By the way, Gordon, the knight in the gold, or suit to be crowned knight of the golden order, he does not want a ring.
	He says, keep your damn tungsten.
	I don't know what that means.
	Okay.
	But he said, keep it.
	Keep the money in the show.
	And I was like, you sure?
	Absolutely.
	He just wants a bumper sticker.
	That's all he wants.
	Yeah, those bumper stickers.
	Well, the No Agenda Nation bumper sticker, there's a couple of good ones.
	There's that one that says in the morning, noagendashow.com.
	No, that's not the one.
	The one everyone loves, which I have on the back of the truck, and Mickey has it on the back of the 99 Rover, is wake up in the morning.
	Noagendashow.com.
	That's the one people like.
	A wake up in the morning?
	Yeah, wake up in the morning.
	I like it.
	And people at gas station would be like, hey man, what's that No Agenda show?
	I'd be like, you should give it a listen, bro.
	You should have a flyer that you have in your truck.
	A flyer.
	A flyer.
	Flyers work.
	A four-color brochure, perhaps?
	No, I think a flyer.
	A flyer.
	Brochures are too formal.
	Could you bring out the blade for me, John?
	Let me get it.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Joseph Wagner, Herbert Harms, Christopher Wolf, and Gordon Walton, please step forward.
	Gentlemen, you all have contributed to the No Agenda Show, the best podcast in the universe, the amount of $1,000 or more, and therefore, you can now carry with you for the rest of your life the eloquent title of Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	So I hereby pronounce thee, Sir Joseph Wagner, Sir Herbert Harms!
	Sir Christopher Wolfe and Sir Gordon Walton will be Knight of the Golden Order.
	Come on over for your hookers and blow rent boys, chardonnay, hookers and bitches and booze.
	All that stuff.
	Glad you got that well rehearsed.
	It's wenches and beer and hot pants and booze.
	That's what it is.
	And when you look at the list, John, we have a growing number of knights.
	And, of course, the knights have more responsibilities than just supporting the show financially.
	That is a lifetime commitment to propagating the formula and to waking up other slaves.
	And I think a lot of, if not all of our knights and dames take this extremely seriously.
	Because we can't change it all by ourselves.
	No, in fact, the way we're going, we can't change anything.
	No, it's not going to work too well.
	At least we're making people aware of the problems, and we can, you know, a lot of times it's just, and you always have to be reminded, because the way the machine works, it's that if you don't, and I'm not saying you have to listen to this show, but if you stop listening to this show, the machine will steamroll you.
	It'll suck you in.
	And the next thing you know, you'll be right on the wrong side of the thought process pretty much within a couple weeks.
	And you have to, even in your own environment, and be careful because this can lead to divorce.
	So news today in the continuing war on sugar...
	And I'm laughing because it was all like, oh yeah, it's good.
	Mayor Bloomberg, New York, he's good.
	He's banning smoking everywhere.
	Damn nasty smokers.
	Well now, of course, he's come out and said, well, guess what?
	We're going to ban large drinks.
	Large sugary drinks.
	Anything above 16 ounces will be illegal.
	Go to jail for selling that or even maybe walking around with it.
	And so, Ms.
	Mickey, this morning, she says, well, this is good.
	I said, what?
	Yeah, because, you know, idiots get fat from drinking that.
	I said, that's their own problem.
	I said, what next?
	What is going to be next?
	What are they going to take away next?
	I'm sorry, you have the wrong shoes on.
	You can't wear those shoes.
	You've got to stop this.
	We have to stop this.
	And so if you don't keep reminding yourself, even in your own community, your own environment, as small as our two-person community here is, you get steamrolled by the machine.
	You're absolutely right, John.
	And the way they do it is extremely effective.
	They have this ad where someone's drinking a glass of fat.
	No, this is a problem.
	This is never ending.
	In fact, either one of us could fall off the wagon if it wasn't for the other one.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	Because we've created a slight competition between the two of us to keep digging, you know, and we'd just love to see why you've done it to me.
	I think I've hit you a couple times, but you may be ahead on this game.
	Oh, you hit me in the mouth.
	Where you come out with some bogus information that somehow you got suckered into, and you throw it out on the show, and the other guy, hey, wait a minute, that's bullcrap.
	Bullcrap.
	Now, by the way, there has been some good sugar news, I should mention.
	Well, not necessarily.
	He got suckered in.
	I know what you're going to say.
	The response to the petition from the Corn Finders Association?
	Yes, yes.
	You know what?
	So this is the problem.
	This is why I'm a government legislation analyst.
	The headline reads, FDA rules corn syrup can't change its name to corn sugar.
	That's the headline.
	JC, Buzzkill Jr., very intelligent individual.
	He fell for it.
	What did he say to you?
	What were his words?
	Well, I've got the letter here.
	He says it looks as if they said you cannot use...
	He didn't say much other than that.
	He says currently, just from the letter, from the FDA, the use of the word...
	Corn sugar for FCS, which suggests that HFCS is a solid, dried, and crystallized sweetener obtained from corn.
	Instead, HFCS is an aqueous solution derived from corn after, and it goes on about the process, and would not accurately identify the product.
	As such, the term sugar would not be consistent with the general principles of governing common use of usual names under 21 CFR 102.5.
	And that's where you tuned out.
	That's what everybody does.
	So you went and looked it up?
	And I looked at the letter and I read the whole letter as a government legislation analyst.
	And after this whole thing where they basically say, no, you may not substitute high fructose corn syrup with corn sugar.
	However, it states...
	FDA's regulatory approach for the nomenclature of sugar and syrups is that sugar is a solid, dried and crystallized food, whereas syrup is an aqueous solution or liquid food.
	FDA's regulations permit the term sugar as part of the name for food that is solid, dried and crystallized.
	So they're giving them on a silver platter the opportunity to crystallize their syrup and then call it sugar.
	Good.
	Because they can't do that.
	Why not?
	It's not doable.
	You can't crystallize syrup?
	You can't crystallize HFCS. There's no way.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	You're a scientist?
	No, this is the problem that this stuff has.
	This is why you can't use it to make chocolate.
	There's all kinds of issues.
	This chemically turns into this goo.
	It doesn't crystallize.
	There's no underlying crystalline structure.
	The only way things can crystallize is because there's crystals built into this chemical structure of the product, like salt, for example.
	So could they add some crystals into it?
	No, it would be a gooey mess on top of the crystals.
	That's the problem.
	They would have crystallized this stuff years ago if they could.
	Hmm.
	So what the FDA is saying is...
	You can't crystallize water, for example.
	You can't crystallize oil.
	You can't crystallize gasoline.
	Everything you boil down doesn't crystallize.
	It just has to have a crystalline structure underneath, underlying.
	And there's no crystalline structure.
	It's just gabagoo.
	Can you make it a solid?
	I think you can probably make it some sort of a maybe.
	I don't know.
	I've never boiled it down to solid.
	That would be horrible.
	It would probably be some, ugh.
	It would be black.
	It would be terrible.
	Because what they're basically saying is, syrup is like a gooey syrup for food that is liquid.
	And sugar is something that is solid.
	And actually they say...
	Oh, crystalline.
	Well, no, they say...
	I'm reading the letter right here.
	They say in one part they say this is what sugar looks like.
	Here it is.
	The regulatory approach for the nomenclature of sugar is that sugar is a solid, dried, and crystallized food.
	I'm reading the letter too.
	Whereas syrup is an aqueous solution or liquid food.
	I don't think we've seen the last of this.
	Well, I think you're being harsh on JC without real foundational...
	Okay, I'll give you that.
	I'll take it back a little.
	A little only, because I think that this...
	However, they put in here and they get into the...
	FDA approach is consistent with the common understanding of sugar and syrup as referenced in a dictionary.
	I think that's wafty language, and I think that they're setting something up for some possible future change in the structure of corn syrup.
	I could be wrong.
	In fact, I'm probably wrong.
	It felt to me like, why would you put that in there?
	Well, maybe the guy doesn't like this stuff.
	The thing that impressed me about this wasn't what they did, because as far as I'm concerned, they're still going to, at some point in the future, they're going to get things redefined.
	All they do is get rid of it.
	If this is one guy in the FDA in College Park, Maryland, you know, he's not going to be working there for the rest of his life.
	No, no.
	But my kick was this was supposedly based on a public petition.
	Hmm.
	And the petition was like, it was supposedly a consumer petition with all this stuff, like the second with regard to your request to amend the standard identity of dextrose monohydrate to eliminate corn sugar as an alternative name, which is another name they want to use, by the way, dextrose instead of corn sugar.
	I think they're saying you can use that, right?
	You can use that.
	No, no, no.
	They said no to that.
	They did?
	No, my, what I was going to say is that my, I got the biggest kick out of this supposed petition.
	This petition is bullcrap.
	There's no petition.
	It was a bunch of guys in the sugar corn lobby signing, you know, somebody wrote it from a public relations perspective and then they, a bunch of jokers signed it and then they sent it to the FDA, you know, demanding that they change these definitions even though this whole thing was a front.
	It was a, Which I think is the reason this thing came about, because this petition was obviously a fraud as a petition.
	It's not a true petition.
	You don't think the public is going out there demanding that they change high fructose corn syrup to sugar?
	No.
	Anyway.
	I need to get into this bath salt zombie thing, which we mentioned at the very end of Thursday's program.
	And, of course, everyone now has seen the—and this is a multiple-parter.
	There's a whole bunch of things going on with this.
	And I like it because Erin Burnett is propagating her formula.
	This started off, and we all know, some guy went crazy, started to chew on another guy's face.
	And then the cops didn't tase him, they killed him.
	And they had to shoot him multiple times.
	So the way this has been turned into bath salts, which I want to discuss, is very interesting.
	Because the first local reports, local Channel 7, never made mention of bath salts.
	As for a reason, police have speculated it's drugs, and doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital say anything is possible.
	I've seen it with crack cocaine, and I've seen it with spice, where patients at that time, they're either severely paranoid or in another state of mind.
	Okay, no mention of bath salts or anything like that.
	Then we have the local CBS station.
	Officer believes the man clearly, clearly was on some very, very powerful drugs.
	That's right, Cynthia.
	The paternal order of police president tells me this crop of LSD is a major threat to police officers as well as...
	LSD is what she's saying here.
	...the rest of us.
	He says it turns normal people into monsters that possess this super...
	When did LSD ever do that?
	Well, no, no.
	Their report, this is really key because this changed over the course of two and a half days.
	Yeah, it's morphing as you play this.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	So you heard the first one, it was crack cocaine, now it's LSD, some powerful LSD. For human strength and no ability to feel pain, he believes that's what was behind the incident that unfolded here Saturday in broad daylight just off the MacArthur Causeway.
	When the police approached him, he turned around and growled and kept attacking the victim on the floor.
	That's when he says the officer shot him.
	The initial shots had no effect.
	He had to repeatedly shoot him about four times.
	This, by the way, what?
	I mean, really?
	The guy's on the ground, he's chewing the other guy's face, and you shoot him.
	How about Taze?
	How about pull him off?
	Are you cops, or what are you?
	No, we shot him, and then he just kept on eating, so we shot him again and again and again.
	And where were you shooting him?
	In the leg, in the back, in the head?
	What were you doing?
	So this is what leads up to the zombie meme, which is very interesting.
	Until the men collapsed.
	The naked attacker now dead on the sidewalk.
	There he is on the left.
	His now faceless victim lay on the ground next to him, likely writhing in pain as sources...
	That's writhing, not writhing, but you misread it, bitch.
	She said writhing?
	She said writhing.
	No longer had eyes or a nose.
	I can only imagine, and by talking to the officer, I see that he's totally traumatized.
	It was like something out of a horror movie.
	Oh, well, let's propagate the meme.
	Aguilar says this is the worst out of about four similar cases in Dade County that happened recently.
	In other incidents, the people have admitted to taking a new strain of what they're calling bad LSD. Bad LSD. It's LSD they keep.
	So, crack cocaine, now it's LSD. Oh, I'm sorry, it's bad LSD. They're Body temperature reaches such a high degree that they have to take all their clothes off because they're basically melting from the inside.
	He says that was a case just blocked.
	Are they just making this stuff up as they go along?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	And remember, this is local news.
	These are the people who are actually on the scene before it gets to the networks where it starts to morph.
	That's the way on Bayshore Drive.
	That was in March when a bloody naked man who had been hit by a cab growled at police and showed superhuman strength when they tried to help him.
	There was more than 10 or 15 officers on the scene.
	And even after they tastered the man two or three times, he was still able to take a baton away from one of our officers and severely damage her arm.
	So now the story goes nationwide, and it gets to CNN. And of course, the minute it gets to CNN, where no one's watching, they just get the...
	Okay.
	We've got that because we already know what this is, but we're going to pretend we don't know what it is yet.
	So now we're going to say it's LSD, it's cocaine, no, it's bath salts.
	Third story out front tonight, drugs known as bath salts being blamed for a gruesome scene in Miami.
	This is a naked...
	This, by the way, was a report from a day and a half ago.
	...man, he was shot dead on Saturday by police because he was gnawing off another man's face.
	She has to go like gnawing.
	Meanwhile, she doesn't make that face when children are killed or people are droned by the president.
	Oh, this is horrible.
	Now this is horrible.
	Obviously, that sounds horrific, and it is.
	I want to warn you that the pictures we're about to show you are...
	And by the way, the pictures are not horrific because everything's blocked out.
	You see a guy's butt with a brown blur spot on it.
	Everyone's like, oh, it's horrific.
	...are very disturbing.
	31-year-old Rudy Eugene was described to be in a zombie-like state.
	Ah, thank you for introducing it, Aaron.
	Thank you, zombie.
	We got that one.
	He was caught by police.
	But they didn't catch him.
	Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, suspects Eugene was under the influence of so-called bath salts, which are sold as cocaine substitutes or synthetic LSD. Oh!
	Now it's changed.
	Wait a minute.
	Wow.
	Bath salts are sold, and this is patently untrue, because I'm going to tell you what it is in a minute.
	And now she's saying, bath salts were just sold as synthetic cocaine or LSD. Really, Erin?
	Let's talk to an expert.
	When he was found, what he had done to this man's face, the victim was 65 years old.
	Truly horrific.
	Apparently all that's left is his goatee.
	His eyeballs were gone.
	His face.
	It is unbelievable.
	Get to the expert.
	Dr.
	Charles Sophie is a psychiatrist.
	Oh, here's an expert.
	Now listen to the expert.
	This is the best.
	At the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services.
	And he's out front now.
	Dr.
	Sofie, have you ever heard of anything like this?
	I mean, it's awful to even talk about some of the things I just said that this man did to his victim's face.
	Absolutely.
	There are many reactions that your brain can have when you're putting in a substance such as this.
	These are very cocaine-like substances that will have a very aggressive reaction within your brain, and the behavior that comes out of that could be anything from aggression to ripping off basically someone's face.
	It's in the book of knowledge.
	You do this cocaine and you could rip someone's face off.
	Severe, severe reactions.
	And they're not able to be tested, these drugs.
	Oh!
	Wait a minute.
	You can't test them?
	We're putting in substances into our bodies.
	Oh, he messed up there.
	We don't know what is going to happen when we do that.
	So, when we use the name bath salts, which I guess is the street name, you said a little bit cocaine-like.
	I mean, what would be in it?
	I mean, does it vary every single concoction, or what's really in quote-unquote bath salts?
	Well, that's a really great question.
	No, it's not a great question.
	Because the bottom line is these are not substances that have been properly studied, and so we don't really know what's in them.
	We just see the kinds of reactions and can kind of guess what chemicals in the brain they're reacting with, and then hence the behavior.
	So that's why the studies need to be done, and then we can make the testing that needs to be in place to be able to see if people have taken these or not when they're behaving this way.
	Bullshit!
	Okay, so at this point, I can't take it any longer.
	Bath salts are well known.
	Yeah, M-D-B-V. Exactly.
	Methylenedioxyprovolerone.
	First developed in 1969.
	They've been around forever.
	Also known as MDPK, MTV, Magic, Maddie, Black Rob, Super Coke, PV, Peeve.
	And then they turned them into bath salts.
	And you can make this stuff at home, apparently, John.
	That's your cue to tell me how to do it, because I can't wait.
	How do you do that, Adam?
	I don't know.
	But what I do know is that there are two forces at play here.
	One is the pharmaceutical industry.
	Because what this is really like, and if you really Google around, lots of people are doing these bath salts.
	It is more like a souped-up Adderall.
	In fact, I believe, and I'm hoping you might be able to help, John, that if you look at the actual structure of MDPB, it is more like Adderall than LSD or crack cocaine.
	And the pharmaceutical industry, they cannot have you making your Adderall at home.
	They need to sell you the drugs.
	This is why the bath salts have got to go.
	So, you know, now if you take the bath salts, you turn into a zombie and you eat people's faces off.
	Pyro...
	Pyrovalorone.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Pyrovalorone.
	But it's Adderall.
	It's basically Adderall.
	Well, I haven't seen it.
	You got me on that.
	I have to look into it.
	And this is just the street knowledge.
	Everywhere you look, people are saying, yeah, you know, I'd rather take Adderall because I can dose it a little better.
	But if I can't get any, then, you know, I'll take some.
	Yeah, and Adderall is one of the most...
	In fact, we did this on that Generation X3 show that you hate.
	I don't hate it.
	I don't hate it.
	Recreational drug use amongst the millennials.
	And Adderall is the drug of choice for everything.
	They use it for reading.
	They use it for all kinds of things.
	Yeah, but now, you know, the Adderall is, you know, this is a drug war.
	But even worse, it's a freaking commercial!
	For Brad Pitt's new movie!
	Which is what?
	World War Z! This is the latest disclosure in a report from National Civil Defense Headquarters in Washington.
	I'll take your questions.
	Is it a virus?
	We don't know.
	How does it spread?
	Is it airborne?
	There's a possibility.
	We don't know.
	Is this an international health hazard or a military concern?
	Both.
	Are these people alive or dead?
	Oh, they're dead!
	We don't know.
	I'm a survivor living in New York City.
	This goes on and on.
	So Brad Pitt is coming out with a huge blockbuster movie called WWZ, Worldwide Zombie.
	And it is essentially, he's a United Nations guy who finds out about this.
	We don't know what causes it.
	It's probably the bath salts.
	Ha ha!
	And people turn into zombies, dead people come alive, and they wind up, I think, incinerating half the earth to get rid of the zombie problem.
	So, you know, now the commercial interests are in, and everyone's saying, zombie, zombie, zombie, zombie.
	I would like to go back to the Red Book, and would you please tell me who predicted that zombies would be the big name?
	Yeah, yeah, it's the old Red Book.
	Yeah, but it's in the book, isn't it?
	I predicted zombies.
	Yeah, you said there was about a year and a half ago, two years ago perhaps, where you had predicted that zombies are going to be a big deal for the next, you know, in the upcoming years.
	It's going to be like thematic.
	Yep.
	So let's go to last night's report and then have one final one from Canada because this is a worldwide zombie problem.
	You see, we all have to be afraid of the zombies.
	Aaron Burnett, I mean...
	I used to be so turned on by her, and now she just rises bile in my throat.
	She's such a stooge.
	The gruesome face-eating attack in Miami could be part of a trend.
	It's a trend.
	It's a trend?
	It's a trend.
	This one story all of a sudden is a trend?
	What evidence is there for this?
	What are you going to do after the show, John?
	I'm gonna go bite face.
	Yeah, man, I'm gonna bite me some face too.
	Yeah, I hear all the cool kids are doing it.
	It's a trend.
	An example of something larger and much more dangerous.
	Miami police say they've seen similar cases recently of people behaving strangely and showing what appears to be superhuman strength.
	And the superhuman strength thing, which is all part of Brad Pitt's movie.
	Over the weekend, Rudy Eugene attacked a 65-year-old homeless man chewing off most of his face.
	Police say he was probably high on a drug known as bath salt.
	And we have to warn you.
	Yet we don't know what it is.
	Oh, very graphic images.
	Now we have new pictures in tonight.
	They are disturbing.
	Police say Eugene was naked, but he was growling like an animal.
	He was shot and killed by police when he refused to stop, but it took multiple shots.
	This is the two-to-the-head meme.
	So we've got the growling, we've got the naked, we've got the eating flesh, eating face, eating eyeballs, and you can't just kill a zombie with one shot.
	We all know that.
	This is in the zombie handbook.
	The CDC warned us about it.
	It's leading to the descriptions of what seems to be superhuman strength.
	Our front tonight, Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal of Police.
	I'm going to ask you a few questions in a moment, sir, but first let's go to the experts.
	First, Elizabeth Cohen is here, our senior correspondent, who's been looking into the bizarre effects of bath salts.
	And Elizabeth, let me just ask you, what are bath salts?
	If you'd explain exactly what they are, what are they?
	And can they do things like appeared to happen here where this man was literally growling, acting like a dog?
	Right, Erin, first of all, bath salts have absolutely nothing to do with the bath.
	They are not actual bath salts.
	It's just the name that they were given.
	And they're amphetamines.
	It's often one of many different...
	Yes, she's lying again.
	It's not an amphetamine.
	It's not an amphetamine.
	Did she say it was an amphetamine?
	Amphetamines.
	Why do these people come off with this crap?
	Because they want you to think of these bath salts as bad.
	Drugs, these are chemicals that people make sometimes in their own homes.
	These are man-made, sort of homemade kind of recipes.
	And they're sold sometimes in places like gas stations.
	It actually used to be legal because they were these new chemicals.
	Yeah, because it's from 1969.
	So they have all the information, but they're lying about it.
	Now, they are illegal.
	Now, not everyone who uses bath salts is going to have this effect.
	You know, that's obvious.
	But it can have this effect.
	How is that obvious?
	For several reasons.
	It's a stimulant.
	So it's kind of like meth, for example.
	It's kind of like ecstasy.
	And so several things go on.
	It's like ecstasy.
	It's like meth and ecstasy.
	How does that work?
	Yeah, well, you know, it's like ecstasy.
	It's really bad.
	I mean, how many people...
	Raise your hand if you've taken some E and you ate someone's face.
	Ah.
	Ah.
	Anyway, so that just goes on and on.
	And then Canadia comes in.
	And let me just see if I can move this along a little bit.
	Oh, it's a short one.
	Okay.
	Just got to play the Canadia clip.
	CBC. Tom?
	Amanda, it's a drug few know much about.
	Oh!
	What?!
	It's been around since 1969.
	We know the chemistry of it.
	We know all the code names for it.
	It was taken out of obscurity in 2004, so it's been around for at least eight years in the public consciousness.
	So how do we know little about it?
	I'm looking at the wiki page on this stuff, and it's got all these psychological effects.
	X and all the rest of it.
	It's all listed.
	Yeah, but it's the real news outfit.
	This guy's great.
	But as it begins to catch on, officials are racing to learn more.
	Yeah.
	What's your name?
	What?
	So they have some YouTube clips of kids who are on bath salt.
	This is great.
	Officials are racing to learn more.
	What's your name?
	I'm on bath salt.
	This is the effect of so-called bath salts.
	So is this.
	And this.
	Benign by name, deadly by nature.
	Until recently, a problem we've only heard about in the U.S. But it's been creeping into Canada.
	It's creeping into Canada.
	It's nothing like an alliteration.
	It's been creeping into Canada.
	To places like New Glasgow, Nova Scotia.
	I felt like I wanted to kill me or I wanted to kill somebody else.
	Where this recovering addict, we'll call him John, remembers its wicked grip.
	It's wicked grip.
	Now he's going to, now the explanation of what it really is is coming up.
	It's riveting.
	Eight days straight with no sleep, that's when you come to realize the drug's got you.
	Named for its likeness to household bath salts, it's a synthetic drug so powerful it can lead to extraordinary hallucinations, paranoia, violent behavior, and suicide.
	This sounds like something I want to take!
	The experts say think cocaine times ten.
	Oh, okay.
	Hence the name Super Coke.
	Cocaine times 10.
	So, really, so much lying, blatant lying going on.
	Yet perfect.
	I mean, I love how they've cross-promoted World War Z. I think that's brilliant.
	Brad Pitt must be just jizzed about it.
	He's opening new bank accounts.
	Angelina Jolie is shopping for more kids.
	I'm like, hey, we can afford more of these.
	This is fantastic.
	It's a bonanza.
	Absolute bonanza.
	Alright.
	I think that's enough of that.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, I'm done.
	Let's discuss what's happening to Julian Assange.
	Really?
	So yeah, because of this clip, Hillary in Sweden.
	Oh!
	Can you talk about the significance of Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, going to Sweden?
	It's the first time in a very long time that a U.S. Secretary of State is going to Sweden.
	First, it was announced the High Court would be making its decision today, Glenn.
	And then Sweden tweeted out that Hillary Clinton would be coming there on Sunday.
	Right.
	I mean, one of the causes for concern is that there's been a flurry of activity recently with FBI agents harassing people who are alleged to have some communication or contact or association with WikiLeaks.
	A French citizen and an Icelandic citizen, both in the past couple of weeks, have been very aggressively accosted by FBI agents on foreign soil.
	And now you have these what looks to be high-level meetings between You know, the State Department, the Secretary of State, and Swedish officials.
	You know, there really is not much of a secret that the Obama administration is busting at the seams to punish Assad.
	Remember, this is an administration that has, more aggressively than any prior president, has punished people who are government employees who have been whistleblowers.
	And yet here's someone who's not a government employee, has no duty to To safeguard classified information.
	And yet it looks very much like the US government is eager to get their hands on Julian Assange.
	And that has been the concern all along with going to Sweden.
	He has never been worried about facing these charges.
	He feels very confident that he will be ultimately vindicated, that there's nothing to them.
	I have no opinion one way or the other on that.
	He's always been willing to face these accusations.
	The issue has always been that because he's not charged, there's been this extraordinary and unusual effort to get him onto Swedish soil, and the fear has always been that that is just a pretext for turning him over to the United States.
	Did I hear the report state that Sweden tweeted?
	Yeah, that kind of tweeting thing.
	The country of Sweden is on Twitter?
	Yes, yes, it tweets.
	Is it at Sweden?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I didn't look it up, but I know that they do tweet.
	It's like the State Department tweets, which is essentially our government tweeting.
	No, it's Lucifer.
	It's dumb.
	But anyway, so the British courts have decided that it's okay to extradite him, even though there's no real court action in Sweden.
	It's just a prosecutor asking for the guy.
	And so they decided, well, screw him.
	He's a pain in the ass, so let's send him over to Sweden.
	And everybody knows that Sweden is where they're going to knuckle under and send him to us.
	And we're going to prosecute him, kind of the way we did Noriega.
	Mm-hmm.
	You know, the guy's not a U.S. citizen.
	He's got nothing to do with us.
	He's got no obligations in the United States.
	He's got his own thing, a wick at least, but somehow he's like, you know, if we can't drone him, it'd be a little too obvious if we did.
	Yeah, we could, but I think it's too obvious.
	So she's going to go pick him up?
	She's going to go get him in the plane?
	That's what it looks like.
	The message is clear.
	Wow.
	She's going to go pick him up?
	So I did watch the case before the Supreme Court of the UK. And they do have...
	They're giving him 14 days because apparently the lawyer for Assange, they had all these arguments about why they can't ship him over there.
	And then...
	At the very end, the rationale by the Chief Justice had nothing to do with anything that was done in the case.
	And so they're protesting their conclusions and they want to make it one more argument.
	So they're going to allow him to do that.
	So Assange has got 14 days left.
	Yeah, to appeal.
	And then he's off to Sweden and Hillary is there to, you know, strong arm the Swedes and turning him over.
	That should be a real carnival.
	That should be fun to watch.
	Yeah.
	Come into my airplane!
	Whoops!
	Oh, the door closed and we took off.
	I'm so sorry.
	Wow.
	By the way, so I ran into a clip.
	I just thought this was a weird clip.
	I don't want to talk about it.
	I just want to play the clip.
	And then maybe something we can discuss in the future.
	But play the child poverty clip.
	This was on Democracy Now!
	It was a throwaway line.
	They didn't even say anything about it.
	And it's like, what?
	New figures show the U.S. is one of the highest child poverty rates in the so-called developed world.
	According to UNICEF, out of 35 wealthy countries, only Romania has a higher child poverty rate than the United States' 23%.
	So we're number 34?
	Only Romania is 35 and we have more child poverty than...
	What?
	We're number two, baby.
	On the bottom?
	Well, yeah.
	You've got to reverse the chart.
	We're going for the number one spot.
	When did that happen?
	Probably around 1972 was when it started.
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So I'm following the Charles Taylor case, too.
	Now, explain the Charles Taylor case.
	Charles Taylor was the head of what country?
	He attacked Sierra Leone.
	What was it?
	Liberia?
	I think it's Liberia.
	Charles Taylor.
	Let's look at the details.
	Now, wasn't he the diamonds guy?
	Yeah, he's the blood diamond guy.
	Yeah.
	We talked about him in the past.
	Yeah, Liberia.
	Liberia.
	Yeah, he's the head of Liberia, and then he went to Sierra Leone, chopped off people's arms, and he's a total creep.
	He's on bath salts.
	Could be.
	So there's all these different reports about him, and there's a good one here.
	I got two things to play, and then the one on Democracy Now!
	dropped in a little tidbit.
	Maybe you knew about this, but I sure didn't know about it, and I find it peculiar.
	And again, they just dropped And they drop these bombs on the show, and then they never say anything.
	Here's the world court guy, by the way, condemning him, a world criminal court, in this very weird, creepy, emotionless way.
	They have him, you know, standing trial in The Hague, and the whole thing is like a, it's a very, I mean, I think this guy should have been, you know, he's a bad guy, and there's no doubt about that, but there's something creepy about this world court, and we can play that a little bit.
	This betrayal outweighs the distinctions that might otherwise pertain to the modes of liability discussed above his sentence.
	The judge spoke of a new era of accountability, effectively saying that because Charles Taylor had been a powerful man in West Africa, he should have shown more responsibility.
	No, so I... Really?
	So I'm thinking...
	Oh, jeez.
	I mean, there's a...
	Can I just say something about the International Criminal Court?
	Yes.
	I'd like to receive the dress code.
	Because they got some badass...
	It's weird.
	It looks like a science fiction movie.
	Yeah, they got the...
	Well, it's like the High Council.
	They've got the red robes and they've got the white beard thingy going on.
	And they got special stripes.
	They must have had a meeting.
	It's a kangaroo court.
	We're going to set up this court, man.
	But you know what?
	You're going to have to wear some really cool robes.
	The dresses we got are outrageous.
	They're bitching.
	So, Democracy Now!
	had a good rundown of this case.
	You have a short clip from it.
	And there's a little what in this clip that I was shaking my head going, I didn't know that.
	President Charles Taylor to 50 years in prison following his conviction on war crimes during Sierra Leone's Civil War.
	Taylor was found guilty last month of overseeing crimes including murder, rape, conscripting child soldiers and sexual slavery.
	He's the first African head of state to be found guilty in an international court and the first head of state to be convicted since the Second World War.
	Earlier this year U.S. officials confirmed long-held suspicions Taylor worked for the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies during his emergence as a warlord in the 1980s.
	And he was on bath salts.
	Did you know that?
	No, I do now.
	Go to his wiki page.
	There's no mention of him working for the CIA on the whole wiki page or any place else I've seen.
	And I guess we did, somebody along the lines, because that's not the kind of mistake they make on that show.
	The guy was a CIA guy?
	Are you kidding me?
	No, no.
	I'll buy that immediately.
	Awesome.
	Anyway, I just found that it was just like, what?
	Trying to see, it looks like one guy in the court has a wig.
	I think a couple of them do.
	It's very, that old wig.
	Let's see, wigs in the ICC. Yeah, because it makes it look so, oh no, international body declares no wig zone.
	No, it's just hair.
	No, look, they got wigs on.
	This one judge of the International Criminal Court in The Hague has been told lawyers appearing before her may not wear wigs.
	Oh, but judges can't.
	Oh, no.
	Here it is.
	There is no official dress code at the ICC. So they're just dressing up like this out of the blue?
	You can just make up whatever you want.
	That's great.
	So they get together amongst themselves and say, I know what we're going to wear.
	These crazy robes.
	Yeah, man.
	Check this one out.
	Oh, man.
	The gold trim is awesome.
	Wow.
	That's very cool.
	I didn't know that.
	This man with a bird's nest on his head has been falsely introduced as my counsel.
	So they said you can make up your own dress, kind of like in the U.S. Army, you can make up your own, the medals you put on your jacket, right?
	You can have your own code.
	If you're a general, you can do anything you want.
	You're a general.
	But wigs are not allowed.
	And it's so subtle.
	No one ever talks about this.
	I'm going to look into this some more.
	It's interesting.
	I like dress codes.
	Yeah, we need the dress code for the ICC. Dress codes are interesting.
	Hey, I just want to pass by a couple of...
	European Union things.
	No clips, just some quick little ditties that we've picked up.
	European Commission has finally come out and said it, and they'd like to make this a bank union so that banks can bail out each other across state borders or country borders.
	Anything to keep the Germans from actually stepping up to the plate.
	But to actually call it a bank union, I think, is pretty interesting.
	Brussels is now advising Gitmo Nation Lowlands in the Netherlands to, as a part of their austerity measure, since it doesn't look like they'll actually make the 3%, to get rid of mortgage interest deduction.
	Yeah, that won't screw anybody.
	Of course, the Greeks...
	Now, we had a Greek pensioner who hung himself.
	Of course, we had the guy who shot himself.
	Now one hung himself and said, you know, I can't stand it anymore.
	So now they're just killing themselves in droves.
	And the Greeks are kind of angry about Christine Lagarde's, you know, let them eat cake.
	Or she said, you know, hey, you stupid Greeks, you've got to pay taxes.
	And it turns out she doesn't actually pay taxes.
	And this is what I don't understand.
	So she makes about...
	What is it?
	About $600,000 a year.
	That's just her salary as reported.
	Because of her diplomatic status.
	Since when do you have...
	Since when is the IMF... I mean, how does that qualify as diplomatic status?
	That's not a country, is it?
	No!
	So why do you get diplomatic status if you're at the IMF? I don't know.
	Sounds like a scam.
	Yeah.
	Who agreed to that?
	I don't know.
	And they get paid the big bucks that need to be taxed.
	And the Greeks now en masse are complaining about chemtrails.
	I haven't seen that story.
	Oh yeah.
	Chemtrails.
	And there's tons of pictures in the sky.
	Because of course they need to keep them a little calmer.
	And then the Daily Bell reported this.
	I thought this was already in place.
	But apparently Spain bans cash transactions over 2500 euros.
	So I sent a note to Ignacio Garcia, our guy on the street, our guy, feet on the ground in Spain.
	Yep.
	And he sent a note back because I sent him an article that says that the Spanish may be the first country to bail from the Eurozone because they have the fallback, and he confirmed most of this.
	they can fall back to Latin America as their big connection and do fine because they're not like, you know, stuck with the European centric.
	You know, they don't have to be European centric.
	But he did mention a couple of things I want to read.
	He says people here, just because I thought this was interesting.
	Apparently it's the government workers that are screwing things up.
	They just hired millions of them.
	He says we're spending way too much in cuts that have to be made apart from the banks who, of course, have a huge problem with their loans going bad.
	But the biggest problem here is the enormous government machine.
	In Spain, we have four levels of government, five counting Europe, and all of them have been raising their salaries and privileges since democracy began 30 years ago.
	For example, in 2007, we had more official cars with chauffeurs in Spain than all those accounted for in the United States.
	Awesome.
	All of the highest level Audi BMWs.
	And you usually say about waterworks people having huge salaries in small towns.
	Here's not so much salaries as up to 50 people doing the same work as I was doing 20, as I one person was doing 20 years ago.
	He goes on and on about this.
	Yeah, and this is kind of interesting.
	And he was more concerned with the irony of the fact that that bankia that everyone keeps saying is going to be broke, apparently in the year 2000 says it was one of the world's greatest banks in the world.
	Yeah, sure, sure.
	Can you talk about what Garcia does?
	How does he garner this knowledge?
	He's unemployed.
	Okay, does he have...
	He's an engineer as far as I know.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	Thank you.
	He's a good guy.
	If you go to Madrid, he'll take you out into the bar scene.
	You get to have some fun.
	Alright, I think we've pretty much shot our wad here.
	I don't know.
	Do I have anything left on the list?
	Yeah, you had...
	The malware thing is kind of interesting.
	Is this the flame thingy?
	The flame thing.
	There's a guy, I was watching Nation's Treasure, and they had this a couple of days.
	They had a CIA woman out with some think tank.
	Wait, Nation's Treasure?
	That's good.
	That's a new one.
	The nation's treasure, PBS NewsHour.
	So they had this CIA woman on, and she actually started cringing.
	She wasn't with the CIA anymore, supposedly, and she was just a bookkeeper for the CIA or something.
	She had a crazy position.
	But this guy, who was a security guy, he just brought this up at the end, and I thought it was the most interesting of anything anyone has said about this malware thing, which makes me wonder...
	What the point of it is.
	For one thing, it's a 20 megabyte file.
	So it's not like some sneaky little virus.
	And then he kind of discusses it here.
	Absolutely, and so there's definitely research ongoing right now.
	It may take some time to really unravel this, as it is a fairly large and sophisticated piece of code.
	However, most of the security experts that I've spoken with and different people in the community have generally come to the conclusion, and this may be somewhat flawed at this point, that this is not actually anything that new.
	In fact, most of the capabilities that seem to be within Flame We've seen for over 10 years, in fact, these monitoring capabilities and the ability to get keystrokes from a keyboard or turn on the microphone on a system, we've had those for quite some time.
	So, in fact, what we're seeing here is unique only in the sense that it's all bundled into one piece of malware and that it's been deliberately put out, again, to specific targets that really raise some different questions.
	The malware itself does not really seem to be that unique other than that.
	All right.
	I will remind you, John.
	I will remind you that I said, now this has got to go back a year and a half ago, I said that Google is really the virus and the capability to listen, to turn on your microphone, turn on your cam, all the stuff, it's all coming, and here it is.
	So it's called Flame, and I'm not quite...
	What do you think is the...
	I mean, there's code in here somewhere, this flame thing.
	I have not figured that out, and I'm wondering if this is actually a distro as opposed to any real malware.
	In other words...
	I have a report that might help us out here.
	An extremely powerful computer virus is attacking computers across the Middle East, but especially in Iran.
	That news came today from a Russian security firm.
	It said the flame virus can turn computers into spy tools that even pull information from nearby cell phones.
	Iran blamed Israel for another virus attack two years ago that disrupted part of Iran's nuclear program.
	Today, Israel would not confirm or deny a role in this new attack.
	How does that work?
	How do you pull in information from nearby cell phones?
	What is that?
	I know how to do that.
	How does it?
	With Bluetooth, maybe.
	No, it turns on your microphone.
	Yeah.
	And listens to your talk.
	On the cell phone.
	So, but you have to be on the same network, I guess.
	No, you'd have to be near the microphone.
	No, no, but it says that the flame is installed on your computer and then it can activate nearby cell phones.
	How does that work?
	He doesn't really say that.
	I mean, I think what he's referring to, I don't know.
	I mean, maybe Bluetooth does have something to do with it.
	But when this thing is decoded, it's going to be...
	What's it called when you reverse engineer it?
	It's going to just have all kinds of modules.
	I think it's a distro.
	I think they sent this out.
	So you need modules?
	We got them all.
	They're all in here.
	I'm thinking it's Google.
	Well, it could be.
	That makes the most sense.
	Well, to you.
	To me, none of it makes sense.
	I'll tell you, there's only one program I know of that can access your hardware in such a manner, can store data, large amounts, you have to actually say, no, I don't want you to do that, and that's Flash.
	Flash has all that capability built right into it.
	Flash and Flame, there's your connection.
	There you go.
	Oh, there you go.
	I like that.
	And Flash has been upgrading a lot recently, if you haven't noticed.
	Just go away.
	Can we deconstruct Flash?
	Reverse engineer was the word you're looking for.
	Thank you, chatroom.
	Reverse engineer.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	I'm thinking Flash has something to do with it.
	I'm not buying this Israeli bullcrap at all, not for a second.
	But it doesn't surprise me.
	And who's got the time?
	Who's got the time to listen to all that bullshit?
	So I have one last clip I want to get out of the way.
	Okay.
	Just to bring back the real thing that's going to go on in the next six months is the money that's going to be pouring into these media companies.
	And I didn't realize now it looks like a race.
	So the amount of money they're going to spend, I don't understand how the media companies just don't say, you know, this is...
	I mean, they're just encouraging it, especially with a report like this.
	...are lining up to put additional unrestricted amounts of money behind him.
	Politico reported today that Republican super PACs and other groups are prepared to spend up to $1 billion on the presidential and congressional races this year.
	Chief among the spenders, billionaire industrialist Charles and David Koch.
	Giving $395 million for political advocacy.
	And the pro-Romney Super PAC, Restore Our Future, planning to spend $100 million on advertising.
	By contrast, outside Democratic groups are expected to spend a total of $300 to $500 million, only about half of the total of their Republican counterparts.
	All of which means that 2012 will certainly be the most expensive election ever, with both sides poised to spend $1 billion apiece.
	Hey, why don't you support us with $5 a month?
	Yeah, that's what I wanted to play this clip.
	It's like we can't get $5 to some of the guys listening to our show.
	But meanwhile, billions, billions of dollars are being spent on essentially advertising.
	Well, we'll keep our eye on everything.
	I'm going to pay a little closer attention to Adobe.
	Looks like the stock is kind of hovering around the 30 mark right now.
	Got to watch our news.
	I don't trust those guys.
	I think that's how I would do it.
	That's how I'd do it.
	The normal, I mean, have you seen this little flash error message that crops up in front of half the videos because something's trying to access your memory?
	Have you gotten that at all?
	No, I don't have that one.
	I get that on my machine.
	It shows up.
	It's like, you have to try to click on it, but it's a pet peeve.
	I'll write about it.
	Never mind.
	It doesn't need to be on the show.
	Hey, we're going to do the Ed Klein.
	Is that the end of show clip?
	Yeah, I might as well.
	Okay, that's Ed Klein on Valerie Jarrett, the true ruler of the United States of Gitmo Nation proper.
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	Valerie Jarrett has a mysterious hold over the president and the first lady and has influenced the president to make some unwise decision.
	Here's how the President describes his relationship with Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett.
	Valerie is one of my oldest friends.
	Over time, I think our relationship evolved to the point where she's like a sibling to me.
	I trust her completely.
	So who is Valerie Jarrett, and why does she have such an influence on President Obama?
	Ed Klein is the author of the soon-to-be number one New York Times bestseller, The Amateur.
	Barack Obama in the White House.
	Good morning to you.
	Good morning.
	Nice to have you.
	Congratulations on the book.
	Good to be here.
	Thank you.
	She has unique power for somebody working inside the White House.
	We haven't seen anything like this in modern presidential history.
	One person who's the best friend of the First Lady and the soulmate of the President, who is the last person to leave the Oval Office after a meeting, Goes upstairs to the family quarters, has dinner with the president, goes on vacation with him, has his ear, Is de facto president of the United States.
	Wow, that is big.
	Well, let's talk about her resume.
	Does she have the resume to have this job?
	No, she doesn't.
	But what she does have is the trust of Michelle Obama, number one, whom she hired in Chicago, and the president, who uses her as his gatekeeper.
	She keeps away people who might come in and in some way embarrass the president, Try to get him to do things that he doesn't want to do.
	She is the radar for the President and the First Lady.
	You refer to, in your book, you talk about she has also been responsible for much of the incompetence and amateurism that have been the hallmarks of Obama's time in office.
	Let's talk about some of the things.
	The SEAL Team 6 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
	This is the one time that the President that I know of didn't take her advice for months.
	She argued that he should not send a SEAL team in there, because she was afraid that if it didn't work, it would be a political disaster for him.
	He did not take her advice that one time, and things worked out very nicely.
	And that's the biggest thing of his administration, because they were going to hang their hat on health care, but David Axelrod said, Mr.
	President, don't do it, and she said...
	Do it.
	Go for broke.
	You came here to engineer social change in this country.
	I mean, she's a...
	Very, very liberal person.
	And she, for instance, urged him to put that mandate on church-related organizations that were required to give free health care for contraceptives.
	This was against the advice of Joe Biden, the vice president, against the advice of Bill Daley.
	Bill Daley brought Cardinal Dolan Into the Oval Office to try to get the president to reverse himself.
	And when Valerie Jarrett heard that, she went to the president, blew her stack, and Bill Daley was shortly ushered out.
	Yeah, more powerful than the chief of that.
	That's something.
	A lot of people were curious, why on earth would the president of the United States have gone to Copenhagen to push for the Summer Olympics to go to Chicago?
	Well, she used to work for Mayor Daley, the mayor of Chicago.
	Is there a connection?
	A big connection.
	Because...
	If the Olympics had gone to Chicago, there were billions of dollars that would have been spent on building Olympic infrastructure.
	The president did take her advice, did go to Copenhagen, and of course, as we know, he came back with egg on his face because we didn't get the Olympics.
	Real quickly, Ed, before you go, the mainstream media has really ignored the amount of influence this woman from Chicago has over this administration.
	It is quite amazing because She is really ground central, zero, ground zero in the White House, and the administration has followed her advice, and the mainstream media has largely ignored it.
	No kidding.
	All right, we'll read all about her in the amateur Barack Obama in the White House.

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