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164: Waterboarding For Everyone!

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	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's January 10, 2010.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 164.
	This is No Agenda.
	Practicing acting normal while on heroin.
	And coming to you live from the Minimum Security Containment Cell Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco, California.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And it's foggy here in northern Silicon Valley.
	Very foggy.
	Even though it's a spare the air, damn John C. Dvorak.
	Hey, in the morning to you, John.
	Is it foggy over there?
	It's a little overcast.
	I was hearing people complain about that spare the air day.
	What's the deal?
	We're not allowed to light a fire on days like this?
	You're supposed to hold your breath.
	Yeah, you're not supposed to light a fire.
	So if you're freezing your butt off, you can't light a fire.
	What kind of bull is that?
	Sometimes during the colder months, we have these inversion layers, and so when you light a fire, the smoke, it doesn't dissipate properly, and it causes smog, supposedly, but I think it's exaggerated.
	Come a little closer to the mic, John.
	It's not sounding quite right yet.
	Really?
	How about this?
	Is this better?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's like, I don't know what it is.
	You know, I just don't know.
	Whenever we do the show and I'm anywhere but here, it sounds great.
	Whenever I'm here and I could probably spit across the river and hit you.
	Hey, you know, guess what?
	What?
	You're not going to be there long.
	No, no kidding.
	Did you see that Wired article about the bus station?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you see the drawing of this supposed bus station?
	Yeah, it's like 14 levels, four underground.
	Oh, and there's a TGV. Where is the French TGV doing in there?
	That's what I'd like to know.
	What?
	You mean the high-speed rail from France?
	They show the train at the bottom.
	It looks like a French TGV or a ICE train from Germany.
	Where are they?
	I haven't seen one.
	I see a clunker going down at 9, 10 in the morning down the track here, hobbling along, wiggling back and forth, the tracks bending every which way.
	I haven't seen any of these things.
	Come a little closer still.
	Hug the mic, man.
	If I was any closer, I'd be on the other side of it.
	Okay.
	Well, not quite that close.
	Who knows what that's all about.
	Anyway, the point is, is the turn me up.
	Well, it's not the question of turning you up.
	It's dynamics.
	Dynamics.
	So we have an executive...
	Am I going to have to give the executive producer's name out?
	Yeah.
	Let's see here.
	Today's executive producer, we have two of them.
	Oh.
	Executive producer and an associate.
	The executive producer is Peter White.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	Didn't Peter White send us some audio clips today?
	Did he?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay, Peter White, nice.
	Grab his clips because I don't have him.
	Okay.
	$250.05.
	Wow, nice.
	And he's in Cambridge.
	Yes, it is that Peter White, indeed.
	Indeed.
	And we have an associate executive producer from the Netherlands.
	Lo and behold.
	Sven Middlecoop.
	Middlecoop.
	Middlecoop.
	C-K-O-O-P is cope?
	Yeah, Middlecoop.
	Okay, Middlecoach.
	You know, we'd be screwed.
	You know, the only reason that Dutch give us money is because you're the only one that can pronounce their name.
	Yeah, that's right.
	The town is even, you know, is...
	Okay.
	Delfgau.
	What?
	D-E-L-F-G-A-U-W. G-A-U-W? D-E-L-F. Delfgau?
	Yeah, Delfgau, it sounds like.
	D-E-L-F-G-A-U-W. Delfgau.
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Delft Howe.
	He has a note.
	He says, well-deserved donation.
	He's the associate executive producer.
	You can use this on his bio.
	You'll explain in a minute.
	He says, well-deserved donation for the funniest mainstream media killers.
	You should be illegal to listen to while driving.
	Cool.
	He got married in some...
	The 201-07 has to do with his marriage date.
	And he's our executive producer.
	And these are two official titles that are legitimate.
	Yes, they are...
	Well, I mean, I was watching The Player last night, which is a great movie if you've never seen this.
	Was that Robert Altman's Swan Song?
	Was that the last movie he ever directed?
	No, I think he directed a couple of films after that.
	It's a great movie if you're in the business.
	Exactly.
	And Mickey hadn't seen it yet, which of course is amazing for the business she's in.
	And when you see this movie, you realize how important all these titles are and how bullshit that industry is.
	And so if you can actually say, excuse me, I was an executive producer on this project, People take that seriously, particularly in media land.
	It can certainly get you gigs and it can further your career and your life experience.
	Yeah.
	And so you get that.
	And in fact, these two guys essentially financed today's show.
	Yeah, there was one other special mention I wanted to make.
	There's a website, worldwarwarehouse.com.
	I'm not quite sure what they normally sell on worldwarwarehouse.com.
	I can only guess.
	But on the homepage, if you go to worldwarwarehouse.com, due to problems with our supplier, the worldwarwarehouse.com will be down until mid-January 2010.
	In the meantime, please visit a wonderful and educational website that very well might save our nation.
	Please donate to Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak's podcast, No Agenda, and have a link to noagendashow.com.
	Oh, that's sweet.
	Yeah, I thought it was awesome.
	A couple people pointed that out to me.
	And again, I can't wait to find out what they actually do sell.
	Probably implements of mass destruction.
	Yes.
	Do you want to hear the clip?
	Implements of media destruction.
	Yes, media assassination.
	Let's listen to...
	We got lined up today.
	Well, just quickly then, I want to play the clip that today's executive producer, Peter White, sent in because, of course, the exec producer, he gets to determine what's on the show.
	And he sent in a short clip from the BBC. This is the local weather douche, as he calls him.
	And I think that was...
	Let me just make sure I'm playing the right clip.
	That could be really bad if that wasn't the one.
	A weather douche.
	No, maybe it was something else.
	No, I think he actually sent in the...
	Hold on, it'll be worth it to find this from him.
	Was it the Weatherdouche?
	No, it was Cambridge.
	Here it is.
	Hi, John and Adam.
	On behalf of all the good energy therapists at Linton Complementary Health Center in Cambridge, may we all have the good fortune to enjoy Hookers and Blow in 2010.
	This is how our executive producers communicate with us.
	tell you the code yeah it's a whole code so a couple of heatness um anyway he was listening to the bbc uh radio program in our time uh in which the host interviewed for royal society now do you know what the royal society is yeah isn't that the kind of the uber group that that dominates the scientific discourse in england Exactly.
	And they know better than anybody, of course.
	And they're the elites.
	And they know it all so well.
	So because of this interview with Lisa Jardine, Who is, according to our executive producer Peter White, a science pundit and talking head.
	His arrogance and ignorance were breathtaking and are the sole reason he jumped on to sponsoring our program and becoming an executive producer.
	So I'd like to play this short clip of Lisa Jardine.
	Of course this is about climate change and how stupid we are.
	How stupid we are not to believe in it.
	I think that a learned society has to turn its attention to what it has always been best at, namely lobbying for the infrastructure in terms of public education for science.
	This is a moment when we learn that 40% of the British public do not believe that climate change is man-made.
	Now that means they're not properly educated.
	That means they don't know how to assess the evidence.
	Do you think there's no argument at all on the other side?
	Science is always about probabilities and likelihoods, and it's never about certainties.
	But you have to educate your public at large to understand how to pursue those arguments.
	And we have failed miserably in so doing.
	Which is illogical.
	Yeah, of course.
	She's saying science is never absolute, but clearly we failed to educate the idiot plebs.
	Yeah, that aren't believing lockstep in climate change.
	This is dumb.
	I was going to play the jingle here.
	Don't be a denier!
	The science is in!
	Science!
	Yeah, but that's the attitude.
	That is the attitude of the elite.
	That's exactly how they think.
	Well, she needs more of an education and skepticism.
	She needs to read Hegel or something.
	Anyway, so...
	Yeah, well, that's interesting.
	But, you know, I think the news this week is mostly an extension of what we first picked up on on the last show.
	Yeah, it is.
	Which was this rationale promoting waterboarding.
	Yes.
	I have a bunch of clips I want to play.
	Maybe you should just retrace the tracks for a second there, John, to help everyone understand exactly where this topic is coming from, in case there are new listeners, which there always are.
	We're starting to notice in the media a subtle, and sometimes in the case of the clips I have today, not so subtle, promotion of waterboarding as a commonplace.
	Almost to the point where it's like, we're not doing waterboarding?
	That's crazy!
	Because we know it works!
	Because we know it works!
	And so I have a bunch of clips of the...
	And the pro-waterboarders, by the way, should be ashamed of themselves.
	For one thing, we know that torture doesn't work.
	And if you're going to do...
	And I don't want to sound like a hypocrite here, but if you're going to do torture, I don't think you should be bragging about it.
	Just, you know, do it and get out of town.
	But it's not effective.
	The only thing that torture is good for is kind of to scare people, because you don't want to be tortured.
	I would like the Spanish Inquisition, let's say, which is what we're talking about here.
	But it doesn't work.
	Everybody's proven it doesn't work.
	But I think there's a number of sadists No, I disagree.
	I think there's plenty of Democrats who are talking about this.
	Well, I still think the Republicans are more overt.
	The Democrats are subtle.
	And the Republicans are extremely overt, Bill O'Reilly being one of them, and others.
	And I want to play some clips to just indicate, these are short clips of O'Reilly talking about waterboarding with the meme that it's effective.
	It's a way we could have got more information from this Nigerian idiot.
	Can I just point out for this crotch bomber, now of course we have pictures of this young man, he's like a 23-year-old punk!
	Yeah.
	He looks like he...
	I mean, literally, he's just a 23-year-old punk.
	I'm like, this is the guy who did this?
	Where's his beard?
	He doesn't look scary enough.
	Well, you know, where's his beard?
	The other thing about this kid is that my son was pointing this out to me.
	He says...
	He says he didn't do it.
	He was like saying...
	Yeah, yeah, he clopped a not guilty.
	He said he pleaded not guilty.
	But I'm still reading everywhere, oh, he agreed that he's a part of Al-Qaeda and that he trained in Yemen.
	How does that work?
	And what Al-Qaeda guy who's ever tried to do anything like this, wasn't bragging about it.
	Guys who didn't even do anything, or I was, I hate the U.S., you know, down with America.
	And all this kind of stuff.
	This guy's not exhibiting any of those characteristics.
	There's something phony about this whole thing.
	And I think it has to do with this waterboarding, Neil.
	Oh, interesting.
	How do you think waterboarding has to do...
	Oh, because they basically forced some kind of confession out of him?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, they didn't, and that's the point.
	Listen to these clips, and it all becomes...
	It all becomes clear?
	Okay.
	Torture One, I presume?
	Yes, from O'Reilly.
	Also, we need coerced interrogation to fight terror.
	But come on.
	Trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in the underwear guy in civilian court is one of the worst political decisions I've ever seen.
	I can't remain silent on that.
	Also, we need coerced interrogation to fight terror.
	Talking about a plea bargain for this Nigerian loon so we can get information is insane.
	Okay, so that's number one.
	And here's what he says.
	Waterboarding is needed to get...
	Again, we have this contradiction because the guy's a loon, according to O'Reilly.
	Come on, which O'Reilly says constantly.
	The guy's a loon, so what kind of information could he possibly have?
	So why do we want to waterboard him?
	And meanwhile, he's supposedly going to give up information through a plea bargain.
	And why doesn't any of these people mention that the shoe bomber was tried in civilian courts and never put in Gitmo and waterboarded?
	Yeah, I'm not quite sure.
	That's a whole different thing that has to do with bringing the terrorists to trial in civil court in New York.
	We're going to keep staying on this meme.
	Here's O'Reilly again with another segment.
	This is a completely different part of the show.
	It might even be a different show, but play it.
	We had the right policies.
	We kept America safe after 9-11.
	Now they're dismantling it and they're putting everybody in danger.
	As Karl Rove said, that's the responsible thing to say, is it not?
	I don't think they're dismantling it.
	Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
	No coerced interrogation.
	Civilian trials for heinous criminals.
	Closing Guantanamo Bay and you're saying they're not dismantling it?
	Come on, Mr.
	Barr!
	Okay, so that's Bob Barr, who's a libertarian, a very famous one, who ran for president.
	And here's, come on, come on, come on, come on.
	O'Reilly, and there's no spin zone, going on again about coerced interrogation, which is, let's face the reality, that's code for torture.
	So O'Reilly's pro-torture.
	This is something that we should all be so proud of.
	Take clip three.
	Hey, Sam Wittes and Bill O'Reilly in the At Your Beck and Call segment.
	Tonight, the very controversial Glenn Beck is out of the country right now at an undisclosed location.
	Now, I know where he is, but even if you waterboarded me, I wouldn't say.
	Okay.
	Then apparently waterboarding doesn't work by O'Reilly's own admission.
	Yeah, O'Reilly is tough enough to be able to resist waterboarding.
	So I found that to be just kind of interestingly ironic.
	Okay, so then we move on to other shows.
	Let's go over to PBS and we go to the McLaughlin group.
	And their radio talk show personality who's always trying to bump Ann Coulter off her perch.
	Monica Crowley, who's a rather kind of oddly attractive blonde who's a...
	Wears too much makeup and is a very knee-jerk right-winger.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm not remembering what she looks like.
	Monica Crowley?
	Yeah.
	So wait a minute.
	Is she kind of hot?
	Oh, wait a minute.
	I see.
	Let me just check.
	Let me just get a little Google check so I can...
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, a little odd-looking is right.
	What's her background?
	Where's she from?
	She used to be, she takes credit for being Nixon's foreign policy advisor when he was retired in Capistrano, which means that she was the hot chick in the Nixon household, who Nixon was probably hoping to get some action with.
	That's the only thing I can imagine.
	And then she somehow wormed her way into talk radio.
	She's got a show that...
	I was going to do a thing on her some time ago because she is a birther and she's melodramatic.
	But somehow, again, as the hot chick, she got on the McLaughlin group bumping people who should be on the show.
	And she is a fast-talking blonde in the style of...
	That Kelly, the original one, came over ten years ago.
	I can't remember her name all the time, but she was a fast-talking blonde, and then Coulter's a fast-talking blonde.
	They've got these fast-talking blondes.
	And I think she rehearses her bits.
	But she is classic in this realm.
	Again, she's a pro-torture person.
	It's abhorrent.
	Play this clip from her.
	That is escalating the drone attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and now Yemen.
	I've given him credit for that.
	But on the other hand, closing Gitmo, shutting down enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding, which could have extracted more information out of this Nigerian terrorist.
	Those kinds of mixed signals actually, I think, are undermining the effort.
	Martin, but he hasn't closed Gitmo.
	The bizarre thing about this...
	Okay.
	So this is a fast-talking blonde, and she's again a pro-torturer, and she throws in that you could have gotten more information from this Nigerian terrorist.
	The guy, as you saw, you saw his picture, the guy's an idiot.
	He's a 23-year-old punk.
	I mean, he was in the bathroom, you know, apparently for a long time because he couldn't figure it out, yet he was highly trained.
	I mean, the whole thing is just sketchy.
	And here's what really bugs me about all this.
	Where are the interviews with other passengers?
	How come there's not a single person...
	Being interviewed on any of these news channels, who was there?
	No, there is one that has been brought out on Prison Planet, that one guy who came on with Alex Jones, and he says, and he has his story of the whole thing, includes, you know, the guy taking...
	And we did play the clip of the woman who noticed somebody filming the whole thing.
	Right.
	And apparently that filming was taking place even when the guy was...
	Yeah, but John, there were almost 380 passengers on this thing.
	I see news media standing outside hotel rooms where they think Tiger Woods might be staying with some hookers.
	If they're willing to do that, can't they get at least one of the 380 people on the...
	Just give me some more stuff.
	It feels like there's...
	I mean, are these people being silenced?
	Was there ever a real plane?
	I mean, this is weird.
	No, it is weird.
	We only have one guy who has the accounts of the Indians, you know, and the bomb sniffing dog and the FBI taking everybody aside and putting him in a warehouse for four or five hours or so.
	And, yeah, no, the whole thing is sketchy.
	Well, it seems to me...
	And this idiot, what is the point of waterboarding him?
	Well, I think there's a move here, John.
	We know who the guy was, who he is in Yemen.
	There's no other information to be had from this character.
	No, I think there's something different at play here.
	I think this is an anti-Islamist movement, and everything I'm seeing and hearing on mainstream is pretty much, hey, we've got to get the Muslims now.
	We've got to waterboard them, we've got to identify them, we've got to track them.
	I'm thinking maybe some tattoos on their arms.
	That would be a real good idea, so we know that they're Muslim.
	This is what's happening here.
	Seriously!
	There was some YouTube video, God, I wish I had, I didn't, it was so ridiculous, but now you bring this up, I didn't save it, but there was literally, you know, one of these like, what color is the White House, or can you name a country that's name starts with a U, you know, and then people don't know it, dumb Americans on the street.
	And the guys out there are saying, hey, what do you think about Muslims?
	Shouldn't we identify them somehow when they're in America?
	And all these people are going, yeah, that's a good idea.
	How about something on their jacket, like a star or something?
	Yeah, that's a really good idea.
	Maybe we should tattoo a number on their arm.
	Yeah, I think that would be a pretty good idea.
	This is how stupid people are.
	There's no education.
	People have grown up to be complete morons.
	And they don't understand that we're going through a complete genocidal process like happened 50, 60 years ago.
	It's the exact same thing.
	And I believe this is a part of it.
	I really do.
	This seems like an anti-Muslim movement, if anything.
	Well, this troll waterboarding stance that these pundits are taking, I find, you know, given that...
	It actually would make some sense because you're talking about a sadism element that is...
	It usually has a racist tinge to it.
	I mean, you want to target some group of people and torment them, torture them, kill them, you know, if you can.
	Or at least threaten to kill them.
	That's effectively what torture is.
	But now this is still legal, right?
	I mean, this has not been outlawed.
	Waterboarding!
	Obama banned it.
	Oh, he did ban it.
	Yeah.
	But he didn't prosecute anyone for doing it or for approving it.
	Well, there's still, if you play another clip I have, there's the laundry list, because if we want to slowly transition this discussion into the Obama versus the CIA. Well, I'm not quite ready for that, because I'd like to stick on the fallout from all of this, because a lot of new information has come to light, or it could be disinformation for all I know.
	Yeah, there's also some disinformation.
	When we get to the CIA stuff, I want to talk about the bombing of the agents in Afghanistan.
	Because there's a couple of news stories that didn't get much play.
	But I just had these clips for the specific purpose of...
	Pointing out to people, for one thing, that waterboarding is not a joke.
	It was used during the Spanish Inquisition.
	It was a thing that was used in the Tower of London as a torture.
	I mean, like the Iron Maiden.
	Why don't we go back to that while we're at it?
	I mean, what's the difference?
	We might as well.
	You know, pulling out fingernails doesn't kill anybody.
	So, let's do that.
	Let's drill down a molar like they used to do in the 30s in New York City.
	There's a lot of things you can do I mean, do these people approve of all these things?
	Does Monica Crowley think it's cool?
	I mean, maybe if she wears all leather and has a whip, maybe that would make more sense.
	Yeah, maybe she digs it for that.
	Well, here's...
	So Fox News seems to be promoting a lot of this, although the McLaughlin group is...
	What is that?
	That's PBS, right?
	Well, Fox, PBS, it's all the same thing.
	And here's what...
	I love this...
	I think whatever you want to call it.
	Well, yeah.
	So there's this, and you hear this on Fox all the time, the Rasmussen poll.
	And they've branded this thing like, you know, it came out of nowhere.
	It used to be like you had the Time Magazine poll, but now the Rasmussen poll is branded as, oh, this thing, it's always right.
	You know, the poll is always the thing that you've got to believe in.
	Have you noticed that?
	Yeah, they're promoting it over some of the more established polls that are generally better operated.
	I've been polled a couple of times, as it were.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	You and Tiger, you've been polling a lot.
	So anyway, the point is, the questions, I have run into pollsters who actually do ask a question in such a way that it's like, you know, are you still beating your wife kind of question.
	It's pretty amazing to listen.
	If you can deconstruct the questions, I always like to take these polls, even the lightweight marketing polls, because I try to outguess the pollster and figure out what this poll is actually about before you actually get to the point of it.
	And generally speaking, you can do that.
	Listen to this example of a recent Rasmussen poll poll.
	As reported by Fox News, it'll be pretty clear what they're trying to get to with the question itself.
	Here it comes.
	Many Republicans have accused President Obama of being soft on terror, particularly because of his opposition to the Bush administration's tough interrogation techniques.
	Now a new Rasmussen poll shows that 58% of Americans say that waterboarding should be used to gain information from the man charged with trying to blow up that Northwest flight.
	Only 30% say it should not.
	So, did you get the question there?
	Unbelievable.
	I didn't mean to do that.
	So the question literally is, should waterboarding be used to gain information from attempted bomber?
	That's the question.
	Come on.
	What happened to the dialogue about waterboarding early on, even during the Bush administration, the dialogue that brought out the experts and said torture doesn't work?
	All of a sudden that has been taken off the table.
	Apparently torture does work.
	I mean, that's what we're led to believe now.
	We're led to believe that torture works and we should be waterboarding everybody.
	So why don't we, let's just take it to the next level.
	At some point, where do you draw the line on waterboarding?
	Are we going to bring it into the municipal police department?
	Yes.
	Yes, John, that's exactly the point.
	The point is to get you comfortable with the idea.
	Every single journalist on the news channel has effectively undergone waterboarding.
	We saw them all do it.
	Okay, I'm going to get waterboarded and see what it's like.
	And of course, they all live.
	And they live to tell the tale.
	So that's just conditioning your brain for, waterboarding ain't all that bad, so they'll force some answers out of you.
	You're not going to die.
	Of course, people do die after being waterboarded.
	I mean, that's pretty well documented.
	It does go wrong because you're simulating drowning by actually drowning someone.
	That Crowley also brought up the...
	Let's waterboard her.
	Oops, sorry.
	Freudian slip.
	We should waterboard Crowley.
	That's a good idea.
	Let's waterboard them all.
	We should actually waterboard O'Reilly.
	That would be cool.
	It would be.
	Because he won't give up the information.
	He won't tell us where Beck is.
	No, he won't.
	You can get where Beck is from O'Reilly.
	You waterboard Bill O'Reilly.
	He'll be like, he's in Mexico.
	He's in Mexico.
	And he has a rubber ball in his mouth.
	He'll tell you anything he wants to.
	Anything you want to hear.
	The dialogue about the ineffectiveness of this, which has been well documented, this is not like, oh, you know, liberal mentality.
	It's been well documented that it's ineffective.
	All it is is sadistic torture for the benefit of the sadists.
	And yeah, it probably does scare a few people off, and I'm sure some people who are just going to spill beans anyway.
	But again, why don't we take it to the municipal level, let the New York City police, because it's not a big deal, let them use that.
	And then why don't we go to the next step?
	What's after waterboarding?
	Some electrodes to the nuts?
	Yeah, electrodes to your testicles, absolutely.
	That'll get people to talk, and it doesn't kill them.
	Well, I think you're right, John.
	We're always looking for an agenda behind these memes that are being put out there, and this is a big one because that's all you hear about.
	It's moved because, of course, we all got bored and we had to move away from scanning us naked.
	Which, you remember I told you earlier in the week, I said, hey, if you reverse that image...
	I did it, actually.
	We have a blog posting of it, and the blogger says it may be a fake.
	I had to take that off, because it's not a fake.
	I, myself, did what you suggested.
	I took a couple of those images.
	All you do is you hit inverse on Photoshop, and boom, there's a picture of the person.
	You can clearly see her face, you can see her nipples, everything.
	She's naked.
	I think, doesn't she have a nipple ring in that one picture?
	She certainly has a belly button piercing.
	And this is the big joke.
	Just show people some images that are clearly photoshopped.
	It's a photoshop filter to reverse the image.
	No big deal.
	Anyone can take that image and you can put it into photoshop, reverse it, and then you see the person fully well naked.
	Yeah, you see their face, and you'd recognize them on the street.
	Yeah.
	The thing that is really bothering me about all this, and I went to the TSA website, and actually one of our listener producers did some work on this as well, Alex...
	I'm sorry, not Alex...
	I think it was...
	Was it ByteLaw?
	Yeah.
	ByteLaw did this whole...
	He did a whole redline version of the Rappiscan website.
	Was it the Rappiscan?
	Yeah, Rappiscansystems.com.
	And they've changed a whole bunch of things in their FAQs about how these things work.
	And what's really bothering me is the health concern...
	Regarding this millimeter wave technology, because let's face it, how many stories have we had to hear about cell phones giving you brain cancer?
	But no, it's okay.
	Just nothing to see here.
	Just move right along through the scan system.
	So I go to the TSA website, and I did notice something interesting.
	Now, Mickey's traveling tomorrow.
	She's going to Los Angeles, and she's printed this out, and she's taking it with her.
	Because I said, you know, there are actual reports, let's say there is some investigation being done about how these full body scanners may actually do damage to your DNA. Have you read anything about this, Chuck?
	No, I haven't, but there's a cataracts thing that can happen.
	That's been pretty well documented because of the soft tissue thing.
	There's been some other cancerous mentions here and there.
	They are looking into it, but obviously it hasn't been very fully studied.
	Well, no.
	So, government directives are now mandating full-body scanning.
	So, that's tetrahertz.
	Millimeter wave is, I believe, in the tetrahertz spectrum.
	So, you have megahertz, gigahertz, megahertz, gigahertz, tetrahertz.
	I think it's terahertz.
	I'm sorry, terahertz.
	You are right.
	So, terahertz waves penetrate non-conducting material like clothing, but they do deposit energy in the skin.
	So now researchers at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory have shown that terahertz radiation may be able to do some serious damage to your DNA when it encounters this stuff bouncing all over your body.
	I mean, you know, it's...
	We just don't know.
	We can't be due cavalier about, yeah, go ahead and scan me.
	And so I go to the TSA website, and then they talk about this National Standards Institute.
	Let me see, which one is it?
	And this was really bothersome, because they say, oh, we're in full compliance with...
	Well, the ANSI, so it's American National Standards Institute, and it's like 43.7, and you can't find this thing anywhere.
	You cannot find a copy of it.
	You have to buy a copy if you want to know what's in it.
	And all the stuff that I can find about it is for the safety of the operator of the system, not for the people who are being scanned, but is it dangerous for a TSA agent who is operating this?
	Well, you know, we have to check this thing, and make sure, and you have to switch out people often enough.
	Like, there's nothing about the passenger.
	So anyway, in the show notes at noagendershow.com, on the TSA website, there is a heading under this imaging technology that says, What are my options?
	And it says right there, in bold letters, these technology are optional for all passengers.
	Optional.
	Passengers who do not wish to utilize this screening receive an equal level of screening and undergo a pat-down procedure.
	So I said to Mickey, I said, you know, dude, I don't know if this is good or bad, you know, for your health, but I don't think it is.
	You know, what, what, what hurts, what, what frequency are x-rays at, John?
	Well, x-rays are totally different.
	For one thing, it's ionizing radiations.
	It's got nothing to do with it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	However, I just don't know, so maybe you shouldn't do that, and why don't you show them this letter and say, I'd like an optional procedure.
	I don't want to go through your thing.
	Well, with the device they have at SFO, 90% of the time you're going to get a pat-down, even if you use a device.
	So just go for the pat-down, because for one thing, hey, you know, it's like a massage.
	Think of it that way.
	And I think that if you want to really stop this lunacy, everyone should go for a pat-down and clog up the lines and screw up the system.
	That's the obvious civil disobedience that we have to...
	There's two ways to do it.
	Either we all go to the airport naked, which would be kind of cool.
	Just all go naked.
	That's what they want.
	Yeah, but if we jump ahead of the game, then they'll be kind of freaked out by it.
	So either do that or just everyone say, excuse me, I want a pat down.
	And by the way, I want a private one.
	There's signs all over the waiting line there for the checkpoint that say if you want a private screening, you can request one.
	Everyone should just request one.
	Make those guys work.
	Make them work for a living.
	None of this scanning stuff.
	I do not like it.
	Where is the questioning about this?
	There's no questioning.
	None.
	Yeah, the media is not saying it.
	They're not talking about it.
	I mean, the only thing that came up is when somebody creatively came up with the kiddie porn angle.
	The media picked up on that because it is actually kind of an interesting angle.
	But the whole thing is porn.
	Yeah, and normally I'm not against that.
	Well, I mean, yeah, but you like your girlfriend being, you know, with her arms in some unattractive poses, looks like a...
	It's just pathetic.
	Yeah, no, it is.
	The whole thing is ridiculous, and what good does it do?
	I mean, that's the other thing, is what do they...
	Oh, with the phony person, they found a gun.
	Like, you wouldn't have found that through the metal detector?
	Yeah, no, that's nuts.
	I mean, give me a break on the gun.
	Well, so, interesting Forbes magazine article...
	That essentially says, you know, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, if you want to hide, and this is only three ounces, right?
	It was like, what was it, 80 grams or something?
	I don't know.
	I think it was, yeah, 80 grams.
	It's like three, four ounces.
	It's not a lot.
	I mean, you can hide that in many places that even the backscatter won't see it.
	And so now, in Forbes, they're talking about mind reading systems.
	Yeah, this is from WeSeeYou Technologies, Israeli-based company, I might add.
	And here it is.
	The logic is people can't help reacting even if only subtly to familiar images that suddenly appear in unfamiliar places.
	If you strolled through an airport and saw a picture of your mother, you couldn't help but respond.
	So this WeSeeYou Systems is using...
	I mean, this is essentially a minority report.
	The whole idea here is, you know, we can actually, I think, I wonder if I have some audio of this thing, of this guy talking, but they're saying, you know, it's all right, because this is the way to do it.
	You know, you need to know what people are thinking.
	We can even stop a crime before it happens, just as people are thinking of it.
	Well, there you go.
	I mean, that's Minority Report.
	That's 1984.
	Yeah, it's pre-crime.
	So how long before they're pounding on your door, saying, oh, we believe that you're thinking about committing a crime, so you're arrested?
	This is nuts.
	By the way, it's all Israeli firms who run most of the security around the world.
	Yeah.
	And so there's a lot of heat on ICTS, who...
	I guess they run most of the security firms.
	So there's a lot of heat on that.
	I mean, the whole thing is just...
	Yeah, they push themselves into the forefront of being the big experts.
	Yeah.
	But at the end of the day, it is security theater.
	There's no amount of body scans or...
	Or even brain scans.
	There's no amount that is actually going to deter anyone from doing anything.
	And it's kind of like the emperor has no clothes.
	You know, it's the Wizard of Oz.
	We're revealing this and people are catching on saying, wait a minute, this is ridiculous.
	In fact, the TSA even has a new PSA to talk about their prowess.
	We're the Transportation Security Administration.
	We're working hard to ensure that you enjoy a secure flight.
	And while we cannot apprehend every terrorist, you can count on us to do what we are trained to do whenever there's a security breach.
	Overreact to tiny threats.
	When a man walked the wrong way through a gate at Newark Airport, we closed the terminal for six hours.
	When a passenger in Bakersfield, California packed honey in his luggage, we shut the whole airport down.
	And when a toddler in New Orleans tried to take a Christmas present on board, we confiscated it.
	Sorry, Junior.
	We're not taking any chances.
	No threat is too big for us to ignore, and no threat is too small for us to make your travel experience as miserable as possible.
	Overreact to small threats.
	Ignore the big ones.
	That's what we do.
	And we do it better than anyone.
	I'm not quite sure who put that together, but I thought it was pretty funny.
	Well, I like the honesty of what you can say.
	We don't have any credits for that?
	You can't come back from doing that?
	No, no.
	It's not one of our...
	Someone sent it to me, but...
	No, it's what we don't know.
	Produced it.
	No, no.
	No, our producers send in stuff like this.
	This heart waking up is fluoride in my cup.
	That's what our producers send in.
	So, just in line with all of this, boy, John, you're bringing a lot of noise with you today.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I'll put the gate on you a little bit higher there.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Much better, thank you.
	So I was going to say, based upon our last conversation where we had quite a back and forth about heroin users...
	And if you can actually tell if someone's on heroin or not.
	And, boy, we got a lot of very interesting comments, a lot of interesting emails.
	I got, what was this, one from a producer who works at a hospital.
	Adam is a producer of the show who works at a rehab, detox, psych hospital.
	we see a lot of heroin addicts who are functioning in professions and jobs that make you say, what the hell, but eventually they end up dead or in rehab or fired at some point.
	Take into account the LAX TSA agent who got off work, was running around the terminal shouting, I am God, I am in control, I am...
	I rule the world.
	And then that they fired a couple of these TSA agents because there was video showed up of them doing drugs at some party after work.
	Now I understand, John.
	I have to succumb to your point.
	You are right.
	People can function normally on heroin and most of them are TSA agents.
	They're all on heroin.
	But look at the behavior.
	There was a video.
	I put it in the show notes.
	It's Las Vegas.
	People who live in Las Vegas and they're on heroin.
	This guy goes and interviews them.
	And they're acting just like TSA agents.
	I'm not kidding you.
	Just like TSA. And it would make so much sense.
	What else do we need all that heroin for?
	We need that heroin to supply the TSA agents.
	Hey, if you were a TSA agent, you'd want to be strung out on heroin, too.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	It's a crappy job.
	Yeah, it's worse than McDonald's.
	Yeah, I'm surprised they don't ask if you want fries with that after they check your ID. Let me touch your crotch.
	Hmm, you want fries with that, sucker?
	You want fries with a hot dog?
	So, alright, another angle to all of this, which of course is quite sad, is that now the war on terror has expanded into Yemen, and we don't even know exactly what's going on or how many troops are there, or CIA agents, and this will lead right into your laundry list in a moment, John.
	Alex did...
	Alex, our Russian producer who lives in the UK, did send me some information on the drilling techniques that we've kind of overlooked.
	I went back and I listened to the last show and you actually mentioned this very briefly.
	You said, I don't know if they're trying to drill into that Saudi oil next door.
	Well, lo and behold, this...
	New technique, which I guess has been out for a little while, horizontal drilling.
	You can actually drill for oil and go under buildings, roads, other surface obstructions, active sites with surface operations precluding drilling equipment, airports, highways.
	You can go for miles and miles under hills, you name it.
	So yeah, it would make total sense that they've plopped themselves down right there in Yemen and are drilling into the Saudi oil fields.
	Why not?
	Yeah, it sounds like a really good idea.
	Sounds like a good idea to me.
	But meanwhile, we've got to come up with some phony baloney reason to be there instead of a base.
	Yeah.
	Which is what we're doing.
	So what have we actually learned from all of this?
	Well, on our show, we've learned that waterboarding is an effective way to get information from people.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe that's how we should confirm people.
	This is a good idea.
	When we do Senate confirmations, let's waterboard these fuckers.
	Is that why you don't say anything going on?
	Yeah, then we'd really know.
	Yeah, you could find out if they're gay.
	Yeah.
	Are you gay?
	No.
	Here, drink!
	What?
	Timmy Geithner, are you stealing money?
	That's how we should...
	And you know what?
	I'm all for it.
	I have now become a proponent of waterboarding under the one condition that we waterboard...
	And elected representatives.
	Yes, all elected representatives and our president and the Supreme Court judges.
	Waterboard them all.
	It works, John.
	We know it works.
	It works.
	So why go through hours and hours of testimony?
	Why even bother?
	Just waterboard them.
	It works.
	You'll get the answers.
	I think this is an important discovery and I'm going to make t-shirts.
	Waterboard your congressman.
	Do you want to know the truth?
	I think we could sell a few of those.
	So, on to the next topic.
	CIA versus Obama.
	Yes, which is...
	Wow.
	There's a lot going on in the CIA wars.
	Well, first of all, let me read from an article that...
	You know that CIA... One article that didn't get a lot of plain, I thought it was interesting.
	Apparently the Turks had found the wife of the bomber who killed the seven CIA agents.
	And there's no evidence in any of this that he was a double agent.
	Or that he was even in the room with those guys.
	Really?
	He was like...
	Let me go and look at this.
	the wife of bomber, Al Balawi, sent an interview, basically the guy just hated the US.
	He drove in, apparently he was a regular on the base, and he drove in, he wasn't a suicide bomber in the fact that he had stuff wrapped around him, he had a car full of explosives, and he parked it next to the building, and then blew the car up in the standard fashion where you have it. - This is a whole new version of the story.
	I thought it was just strapped to his body.
	No, he had a whole car filled with this stuff?
	Yeah, it blew up the whole building completely.
	It says a federal law enforcement official said the bomber entered the base by car and detonated a powerful explosion just outside the base's gym where CIA operatives and others had gathered.
	It says it was unclear where the explosives were hidden, but it was a significant blast and it sounded more like a car bomb.
	And it says now they couldn't tell you this and that and the other thing.
	But the guy with Jordan intelligence officials has said that they believe the devout 32-year-old doctor...
	Doctor, yeah.
	...was persuaded to support U.S. efforts against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
	They said Balawi was recruited to help capture or kill Eamon El-Zarari, a doctor from Egypt who is Bin Laden's right-hand man, according to counterterrorism's official based on the Middle East, blah, blah, blah.
	And Bayrak, the woman, his wife, denied that her husband had been recruited to work for the CIA. He was just one of the locals or a guy from...
	So how did he get onto the bass?
	I don't understand.
	My head hurts from all this.
	I don't get it anymore.
	He's on the bass.
	It's like he goes in and out and in and out all the time.
	They don't apparently check everybody all the time.
	They go in and out a lot.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea how he got on the bass so easily.
	Apparently they just waved him through, I guess.
	I have no idea of the concept.
	Maybe he had the stuff under the seats and maybe, you know, like during the 9-11 era, if you went to Las Vegas or any place where there's a big parking lot, they'd always make you open your trunk.
	There'd be a guy, you know, some bruiser out front of the place saying, open your trunk, open your trunk.
	They look in there and they don't see a shitload of bombs and they wave you through.
	You know, they don't go do a thorough inspection.
	No.
	No, no, it's more security theater.
	And if this guy was a doctor working on the base, in and out and in and out, who apparently had a grudge against, you know, he just got sick of it, going in and out, in and out, he would have gone in and out and in and out so many times that he wouldn't have known the process.
	This is a problem that you have with people that are regulars.
	He would have known everything that they do every time, and he said, well, gee, every day I come in here, I'm just, this is by the way, I'm just supposing.
	He goes in, they say, open the trunk, opens the trunk, and then he notices that that's all they do, is they just want to look in the trunk, and they know who he is, and they see him day after day, week after week, and in they go, but they still look at the trunk.
	He says, okay, well, I can just load up the back seat with bombs.
	Or a big bomb, or wrap one around me or whatever, and just load up the car, but the trunk is empty.
	He rolls in, parks it next to the gym, and blows the gym up.
	This sounds very much like the same type of security that happened over the weekend.
	A man acting as a U.S. Secret Service agent, so not just CIA, but a Secret Service agent, breezed through security by flashing a badge, and then went up to the desk and said, okay, I need to meet Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
	He flashed a fake badge and motion to the side of his body as if he had concealed a weapon in his waistband and they let him through.
	How crazy is that?
	This is a federal building.
	That's your security right there.
	And they did catch him because someone heard his voice, and this guy apparently had been calling up a lot and harassing and saying he wanted to speak to Sebelius.
	So he recognized from his voice, which I find interesting.
	I find that sketchy.
	Yeah, but, well, this is from NBC, so...
	So sketchy.
	Yeah, so you can't believe crap.
	But anyway, the story about the bombing there was, you know, it was a make good bombing because they'd killed some kids or some other thing, which seems like another bogus story.
	Right.
	Just crap.
	You know, even this thing, you know, we don't know any.
	I mean, all we know is that somebody finally got a hold of the guy's wife and she was ditching about the whole thing being, you know, bogus.
	He was just a pissed off guy.
	He was a loose cannon.
	He was a guy who was getting annoyed by what was going on, and so he decided to blow himself and his car up.
	He's just angry.
	The other reports that I've been reading is that this is actually the FOB, the Ford Operating Base, where they control the drones from.
	And that this was a main reason for this particular operation to be targeted is because, you know, hey, you know, these are the people who are controlling...
	I think maybe the drones take off from there, but the drones, at least as far as I know, are controlled out of Las Vegas.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	There's a special that was done.
	They have a whole bunch of these.
	They have a whole Air Force base of drone pilots that...
	Yeah, cool.
	Now confirmed, after what I mentioned to you three days ago, more proof that we're on top of the news and ahead of the times, Jay Leno now confirmed, cancelled.
	Yeah.
	Didn't I tell you that on Thursday?
	I thought I told you.
	Oh, you don't want me to come over there, John, and hit you in the mouth.
	You really gotta stop.
	I had predicted Lena was going to be a flop from the beginning.
	Yes, you did.
	But still, we had the news.
	Anyway.
	No, we didn't.
	I mean, the thing is, actually, now it's getting even more interesting, if we're going to talk about this, because they want to push him back at 1130 and then bump Conan into the death hour.
	The death slot.
	The death panel slot.
	The death panel slot at 12, which is the Jimmy Kimmel slot.
	And, you know, by then, you're either watching Letterman or you're doing something else, you know...
	Anyway, they're doing a poor job with Conan, and so he's eating crap.
	And then, of course, Leno promised to retire and give Conan that spot, but Leno doesn't seem to really want to retire, and now it's becoming a ridiculous situation.
	And if anybody thinks that Leno, I can't believe for a minute after Leno pulled all his stunts and blamed it on his manager to get Johnny Carson fired so he can get that spot instead of Letterman, who was really the one designated to get it, and bump Letterman out of the way.
	If anybody believes that Leno working the 10 o'clock spot was a crazy idea by the suits at NBC and not some scheme of Leno's to make even more money, I think, you know, you might as well buy a bridge in Brooklyn because I'm just not buying that.
	Now that they're, you know, they're pulled out all stops and they're, actually I got some clips I should have bought.
	I forgot to bring for today's show where, you know, Leno's now sniping at the company.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that's the old trick.
	NTC stands for never something, never bring contract, never...
	I understand what he's doing, yeah.
	Well, it's all right because no one's watching anyway.
	No, we tried watching it the other day, and again, he has the mediocre bests, because nobody's going to work that spot, which is the thing that's talked about the least, is the fact that the show has essentially been boycotted by all the famous actors and actresses.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I do want to get back to your CIA laundry list in a second, but just to stay on NBC for one second.
	So I got a whole bunch of emails over the weekend saying, oh, you've got to watch this Earth 2100.
	This is coming on the History Channel.
	And apparently I had missed it.
	I guess it was on ABC earlier in the year.
	So now it's on the History Channel.
	Have you seen this thing, this Earth 2100?
	No.
	Oh, you've got to see it.
	I've never even heard of it.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Google it.
	Earth 2100.
	So, the idea is it follows a young girl.
	Her name is Lucy.
	And she's born in 2009.
	And then, of course, in 2015.
	And it's part cartoon, animated, part reality.
	Well, a lot of it's fake.
	It was done in 2009, which is kind of the interesting thing about it.
	I thought it was brand new.
	It's basically a climate change.
	We're all going to die.
	Literally, it's like one big scare movie that'll freak you out if you don't know what the hell is going on.
	You're like, we're all going to die.
	What's interesting is throughout this whole movie, two hours, interspersed are interviews with Van Johnson.
	Of course, this was before he was canned.
	This was the green czar for Obama.
	John, what's his name, Podesta?
	No, Panetta.
	Who was the transition guy for Obama?
	It could be Podesta, I don't know.
	Podesta, I think it is.
	And there's a whole bunch of sketchy climatologists, etc.
	And at the end, the last 20 minutes is all about, well, of course, we all could live if we used energy-efficient light bulbs and windmills.
	And I'm like, wait a minute.
	Of course, the History Channel is owned by General Electric.
	It couldn't get any better.
	And my mouth is just agape.
	I'm like, I can't believe this propaganda that is being bestowed upon people.
	And literally, John, we're going to die, all of them.
	Everyone will die.
	It's all over.
	And Monsanto will save us because we need crops that will be drought-resistant.
	I mean, it was unbelievable.
	Yeah, that's the problem with these...
	Major corporations owning media outlets.
	It's really a situation that should be illegal.
	And then who's our good buddy from PBS, which I have to say is a pretty damn good show, Bill Moyer's Journal.
	Well, it's a good show of your left-wing nutcase.
	Well, in this case, have you seen the most recent one that aired on Friday?
	No.
	So on it, he has two journalists from Mother Jones, David Korn and Kevin Drum, and this is due to the most recent Mother Jones article.
	Now, Mother Jones is an interesting publication.
	Could you classify Mother Jones for me?
	It's kind of like the modern version of a magazine called Ramparts that used to exist in the 60s that is a left-leaning investigative reporting journal that has a strong agenda, anti-corporate agenda.
	So the cover story is Too Big to Jail, which is kind of funny.
	Actually, I like that as a meme.
	So when you watch this interview, and Bill Moyers is jumping right on the bandwagon here, they're essentially exposing that every single representative who is on any or has been on any type of finance committee, the top six all being Democrats, They've received millions and millions of dollars in campaign donations, and then they go ahead and they don't do anything about the derivatives.
	They water it down.
	They go into quite some depth as to exactly how they did it, which is quite interesting.
	So it's like, oh, well, we can't have airlines not being able to hedge on fuel, so let's write a law that exempts them, but of course that exemption for airlines can be used by banks, etc.
	And how Democrats are having closed-door meetings with bankers and then go back and take $7-8 million in campaign donations from the exact same bankers in the same city, by the way, in New York.
	And then two days later, actually, take donations from the very same people they had closed-room-door meetings with.
	It's linked in the show notes.
	It's online.
	It's a three-parter.
	It's really good.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, a lot of the most left-leaning people out there are essentially wrapped around them.
	You have the T-parting people on the one hand pretty much preaching the same thing as the most left-wing of the pundits.
	And in that group, by the way, I do not put Rachel Maddow.
	I do not put Keith Orman.
	Those guys are just stooges for big corporations, too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they work for GE, obviously.
	But you get out there a little further where you get the Bill Moyers, who's an old progressive, and the Hartman, Thom, guys like that.
	I just find it amusing because when you start pushing over in that direction, you hear the same argument you hear from the...
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, from Ron Paul.
	Precisely.
	Well, I think what's happened is...
	Those two ends, it would never meet all those days.
	It's pretty amazing, yeah.
	We've created an impasse.
	I mean, it's almost as though somebody said, what can we do that will make sure that these two groups never get together?
	Because if they ever got together, we're toast.
	So what do we do?
	Well, let's create some...
	policies about let's see abortion rights that's a good one because they'll never agree on that and let's try some other things what else can we put in there uh into the you know something religion you know these guys on this one end are devout religionists and the other ones are a bunch of atheists and so they'll never get there so let's make that a big topic of conversation let's bring in a you know george bush as a born again and that'll that'll separate him for decades right well i i think there's a couple of interesting moves taking place in
	And by the way, Bill Moyers does point out in that entire interview, he says, I never thought I'd see the day where Mother Jones agrees and comes to the same conclusions as the Wall Street Journal.
	So in a way, that's exactly what you're saying.
	And that's exactly what they don't want.
	And of course, I think on one hand, you have...
	I guess you'd say people on the right who are saying, you know, look, this wealth distribution, it's not a good idea, it's destined to fail.
	And then people on the left who are all for it are saying, hey, wait a minute, we don't actually have any money to do this with.
	So I think that everyone's eyes are kind of opening and going, hold on a second, we can't actually make this work.
	Yeah, well, they had no money.
	It's all taken by the big corporations.
	And by the way, here's a rhetorical question I want to ask people out there.
	The problem began when the corporation was given the status of an individual.
	The corporation is a virtual person.
	A virtual entity, yes.
	But it's a person.
	It has constitutional rights.
	How come a corporation can't be tried for murder?
	Or waterboarded for that reason.
	Well, it wouldn't do much good to waterboard a building, but there's no reason you can't try a corporation.
	If you have the same rights and responsibilities as a citizen, a corporation per se, why can't the corporation be tried for murder and, if found guilty, the entire corporation, including all its employees, would be executed?
	Live on TV. Yeah.
	No, of course.
	You know.
	Right.
	Right.
	I'm just saying, you know, why don't they, you know, why aren't they more, you know, if the corporation's got all these, you know, it's supposed to be a citizen, They're a crappy citizen.
	They're breaking the law left and right.
	Why are they just being fined?
	Why aren't they imprisoned?
	I mean, rare once in a while a CEO goes to jail, but that's usually for securities fraud.
	It's not for something the corporation did.
	If you have a corporation that's basically defrauding the public or it's a scam or whatever it is, why don't all the executives of the company get thrown in the slammer?
	All of them.
	The entire board of directors.
	You do that once or twice, and I'm telling you, things must be straightened out in this country overnight.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's also not entirely true because public corporations, even though they have the same rights as an individual, as an entity, they're the only entity allowed to bring money across the border without registering that, which, of course, is how the drug money actually bailed out a lot of our public firms on Wall Street.
	That exception for corporations should be an exception for everybody.
	What difference does it make if I'm wandering around with a pocket full of money?
	Well, because you could be financing terrorism.
	That's why.
	On that note, the company formerly known as Blackwater, ZXE Services, is now in the running for a Pentagon contract potentially worth $1 billion in Afghanistan.
	A part of the contract, John, providing aviation services.
	I wonder what that might be.
	Yeah, do you think it's flying drugs out of Afghanistan?
	Do you think?
	Could it be?
	They've been caught with all kinds of other stuff when they were still Blackwater.
	They had contraband and illegal weapons that they were selling on the side in dog food.
	Wasn't it dog food they were carrying or some crap like that?
	I don't remember.
	It's a never-ending story.
	It's almost like it's an eye-roller whenever their name comes up.
	It's always some money grab.
	The head of that thing is just the genius.
	Meanwhile, I do believe that there's some big changes going on.
	I think that Timmy Geithner got a virtual two to the head.
	Little Timmy Geithner, who was our Secretary of the Treasury.
	I don't know if you've been following it, but the information just can't be kept down, apparently.
	Although I think this was leaked to the press to basically shoot him, virtually.
	So here's how it worked.
	When AIG was about to go under, and AIG, of course, was insuring all of these derivatives, all of these swaps, all of these derivatives based upon mortgages, just to put it in simple terms.
	Credit default swaps.
	Credit default swaps.
	So they were insuring that, but they were insuring them naked, so they had nothing to back it up.
	And this was trillions and trillions of dollars, and I do believe that if AIG had failed, then the banking system would probably have come down overnight.
	I don't know if that would have been really bad or not, but that's probably what should have happened.
	It didn't, and why didn't it?
	Because the Federal Reserve, through their New York branch, which at the time was being run by little Timmy Geithner, He paid everybody off, which of course went straight to Goldman Sachs and Société Générale and all these other banks.
	He paid them 100 cents on the dollar with money that was printed by the Fed, which of course is our money, which we're on the hook for.
	And what he did was he told the banks, shut up.
	Don't tell anybody that we're doing this.
	And that, of course, is the very reason why all these banks...
	Remember that, John?
	They had to take this money.
	They brought them all to Washington.
	And you've got to take this bailout money because they had to make them all complicit in the scam.
	And now it's coming out because they've got emails where the New York Fed was actually telling the banks, take this money and shut up about it and we'll fix it later in a bailout, which they did.
	And now, of course, oh, Secretary Geithner played no role in these decisions, Treasury spokeswoman said.
	Oh, no, no, he didn't.
	He was not a part of that.
	He sent no emails.
	And now it's all coming out.
	So I think that these emails were leaked on purpose to get him out because he's clearly a nincompoop and he's no good and he looks weak on television when he's stammering through.
	Waterboard him!
	Let's get to the root of it.
	Yeah, it works.
	Let's waterboard Timmy Geithner.
	I see no reason why we shouldn't.
	I'm onto this, John.
	I'm latching onto this.
	I think this is a very good idea.
	I think we should waterboard potential terrorists.
	I think we should waterboard civilians.
	I think we should start, though, with right there on television, on C-SPAN, let's waterboard Timmy Geithner.
	And Greenspan and Paulson.
	Let's waterboard him.
	It'll save so much time.
	We know it works.
	And it's harmless.
	It's harmless.
	We know it works.
	And it's a time saver.
	I think we need to hop to it.
	Water boredom.
	Well, we're on the...
	Nothing to see here.
	Real news.
	I ran into this article and I've heard about this guy.
	You've heard of Roman Abramovich, right?
	The rich Russian guy who owns the world's biggest yacht, the Eclipse.
	Yes.
	It's huge.
	He owns Chelsea.
	He owns the Chelsea soccer team.
	Exactly.
	He owns a soccer team.
	He won a couple of champions.
	He's losing money on them, but he's got billions, so he doesn't care.
	These Russians know how to spend money.
	So here's the deal.
	You know, we never get invited.
	I don't get invited to anything.
	You probably get invited to things once in a while.
	But we missed out on the 2010 party that he threw.
	Oh, no!
	Yeah, Lindsay Lohan people were there.
	He was a...
	It was, listen, the big spender Roman orchestrated a $5 million New Year's Eve party with his girlfriend, Dasha Zukova, at his $90 million beachside compound, where more than 250 guests, not including us, were entertained by Beyonce, Prince, and Gwen Stefani.
	Each performer paid up to $500,000 to sing a song.
	Cool.
	And the pre-New Year's party, which was done by...
	A pre-New Year's party?
	What is that?
	Before, just before his party, it was given by the art dealer Larry Gagosian and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen on Paul's 414-foot yacht.
	Oh, you know, the yacht boys all hang out together.
	You realize that, of course.
	Yeah, and it's the eighth largest.
	It was the biggest once for, like, ten minutes, and then the next thing you know...
	So I'm reading about this character, this Russian billionaire, and he's an interesting guy, but listen to some of the stuff.
	Like I said, the Russians ought to spend money.
	Even Bill Gates wouldn't do this stuff.
	He owns a private Boeing 767.
	Paul Allen only has a 757, by the way.
	Oh, how weak, yes.
	He's known as the Bandit due to its cockpit paint details, usually at Stansted Airport, UK. He also owns three Eurocopter helicopters, Aruba.
	How many helicopters does one person need?
	Well, you need one for each foot.
	Exactly.
	And then one for your ego.
	Two, not one, but two Maybach 62 limousines were customized to be bomb and bulletproof, and they were reported to have cost 1 million pounds, 1.2 million dollars, or 1.6 million US dollars.
	He also owns a Ferrari FS. Now, this is a guy who's, I have to say, this is a rich guy who is living it up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's pretty obvious.
	So why weren't we invited to the party?
	I think, you know, of course, we wouldn't have gone.
	What are you talking about?
	Of course we would have gone.
	I stay home.
	Hey, send over the bandit.
	Pick us up in the bandit.
	We'll be there, dude.
	Actually, if the bandit landed over here in SFO, we'd jump in.
	So hold on a second.
	Prince was there, you said?
	This is highly disappointing to me.
	Yeah.
	Prince?
	Who else do I have to ban?
	The three that he's got listed here in the gossip is Beyonce, Prince, and Gwen Stefani.
	Each performer paid upwards of $500,000.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Hey, should we talk about the $5 a month we want to get from people?
	Yeah.
	So $500,000 for a four-minute song.
	And here we are doing effectively four hours a week for five bucks.
	Yeah.
	We're in the wrong business.
	We are totally in the wrong business.
	Even if people send us thousands and thousands of dollars, it's still basically a public service compared to what Beyonce got paid at that one gig where she got to sing her songs and then hobnob with a bunch of characters.
	Who else was there?
	Do we have any idea who was at the...
	There's not a lot of information about who was at the party, but I'm under the impression that it wasn't any lightweights.
	And this was in the United Kingdom?
	Well, let's see.
	The party...
	And by the way, I have nothing against people spending their money on whatever they want to spend it on.
	I really do not care.
	No, I don't care either.
	Is it St.
	Barts?
	Oh, St.
	Barts.
	Yeah, nice.
	And that's where I guess Paul took his octopus boat and parked it.
	I went up to Bodega Bay.
	Awesome.
	I stayed home and fried noodles.
	Yeah, and basted your meat.
	All right.
	So, oh man, we're over our time once again.
	I think we should talk about some of the donations we received.
	You can tell that we've really been doing some work.
	We have been delving into this.
	We are trying to get all the angles.
	I think so far the real gem we've come up with is we can start a meme.
	We can start a whole new production company.
	A whole new show called Waterboard This.
	Waterboard This.
	And I think that we need to enhance the meme of waterboarding works and we need to apply it to many different situations.
	And hey, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to be afraid of.
	That's what they've always told me about security.
	Nothing to hide, nothing to be afraid of.
	Yeah, so get waterboarded.
	Make it.
	And all of the topics we discuss, from the heroin to the waterboarding, are all in the show notes at noagendashow.com.
	And by the way, I say it every week, you do a great job at show notes.
	You actually have so much material there.
	They are a cache of information for people digging around in the future.
	They're going to go back and they're going to find this stuff.
	They say, holy mackerel, these guys, they were all over this stuff.
	Yeah.
	And I do want to add one little thing.
	Some people have pointed out to me there's this website, Instapaper.com.
	Are you familiar with this, John?
	Instapaper.com is very cool.
	I haven't signed up for it yet, but I have seen it integrated in a number of different apps.
	So if you're at a website, or maybe it's a bookmark, and you click Instapaper and you have an account, it essentially creates, I guess, a PDF of that website and saves it for you, which is a really good service.
	Yeah, so I just wanted to say that what I'm going to look into is if I can create all these show notes in the Instapaper format so they'll be retained and so permanent when you go back years later and the Ministry of Truth has gotten a hold of everything that you can actually still see the original stories.
	So we do some actual work for you.
	We don't take ads.
	We don't believe in the concept.
	By the way, I got a note from Mitch, one of our listener producers.
	Adam, just curious as to the reason why so many commercials from the Ad Council are appearing on the TV networks lately.
	It seems that it's two Smokey the Bear commercials or two doctor commercials about asking questions when you visit the doctor.
	Also the Boy Scouts helping the old lady across the zip line.
	They're always in pairs of two.
	Could it be that the Obama administration is paying the media for their support of Obama by buying up all the empty ad slots with these ad council commercials?
	No, Mitch.
	Let me tell you what's going on.
	All of the advertising money The bulk of it, every year, is spent in the fourth quarter.
	And that, of course, is for the Christmas shopping experience.
	And in January, the advertising is very, very light.
	Of course, there's something going on.
	Oh, yes, the Great Depression.
	Money is very, very tight right now.
	That always hits advertising.
	And these are what are known as PSAs, public service announcements.
	So most likely you're either looking at your local cable channel or your local over-the-air television station.
	They still have to fill the entire hour.
	So instead of giving you actual more content and programming, they throw in these free ads which they get from the Ad Council, which of course is propaganda in many cases, just to fill up the hour so that they don't run under.
	Yeah, well, you have to remember that, yeah, these are free ads.
	They're not providing anybody with any income.
	They're just basically fillers because these programs are produced with it in mind that they only have to produce 40 minutes of programming, and the rest is going to be filled up with 20 minutes of ads.
	So all the TV you watch is generally one minute of advertising and two minutes of content.
	And so if they all of a sudden can't fill those spots, they really can't increase the content because the show is produced.
	It's not a live broadcast.
	And so they have to run these stupid ads.
	And remember that the programming is only there to fill up the space between the commercials.
	It's not actually to teach you anything.
	Yeah, well, there's never any value to the programming generally.
	But a good small format drama, 40-minute drama, cop drama or whatever, even though it's loaded with propaganda, the poisoning, the jury pool, as we've pointed out many a time, it's still entertaining.
	So it's fun to watch as long as you watch it with a jaded eye toward the propaganda that's always incorporated.
	So our executive producer this week, Peter White, who we highly appreciate his donation, as well as the nice little Lisa Jardine clip that he sent in.
	Of course, our associate executive producer, Sven Milkoop.
	And we have a bunch of other producers that contributed.
	Let me tell you the ones that did between 50 and 100, mostly 50.
	Although we have 55-55 from Alan Cleland who wants us to mention.
	He's from Dundee.
	And he also has some word to pronounce, which we'll get to maybe.
	But he wants to mention the Dizzy Drops game for the iPhone.
	100% of the revenue he makes from it in January and February will go to no agenda.
	What's the name of the app again?
	Dizzy Drops.
	Dizzy Drops.
	Yeah, D-I-Z-Y Drops.
	It's an iPhone game, and he says to give us two months of revenue.
	Also contributing in this category are Steve Fernandez from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
	I believe he's our first Puerto Rico-based listener.
	Peter Bevin, who is from Swansea.
	How do you pronounce it?
	Swansea?
	Yes, once he's the Langefell latch guy.
	He's giving us some more.
	Um...
	Robert Alter, who's on the Knights program out of Kansas City.
	Ara Gerdurian from Trabuco Canyon, California, which is interesting.
	Tracy Lipp from Helsinki.
	K.E.G. from Holly Springs, North Carolina, one of my favorite states.
	And I'm congested.
	And John Johnson II, who gave us the money because he loves the Monomena song.
	That we play.
	Also giving more is Anthony Markle gave us $132.01, which stands for something, $1321.
	I can get a shout-out.
	He wants a shout-out for his podcast, dysculture.com, dysculture.com, and lovehatethings.com.
	And he says that the Canadian government, he's from Hamilton, Ontario, he says the Canadian government is prolonging Parliament to shut down legislation and international criticism during the Olympics.
	Right, we highlighted this about a week and a half ago.
	Right.
	Then we have Daniel Harrison from Atlanta, Georgia, who gave us $119 with this comment.
	Normally about this time of year when I renew the subscription to The Economist, I renew my subscription to The Economist, which is a good magazine, but I'd rather give you guys the money as you provide a greater service.
	Their loss is your gain and mine too.
	Excellent.
	Well, thank you.
	And I really appreciate that.
	And we do read The Economist, part of the money that you give us.
	We spend on bills.
	And I buy The Economist.
	John, I think you subscribe to it, maybe.
	And when there's something choice in there, we'll bring it to you.
	So, you know what?
	This only makes your life easier.
	Yeah, we're a service organization.
	Simply Helpful LLC out of Oakland, California gave us 100.
	Matthias Merkert in Landau in der Foss, Deutschland, sent us a note saying, Avatar, the movie, is mind control.
	Yes, well, thank you.
	Can I just say something about that?
	Because I didn't complete my entire thought about that on the last show.
	So Avatar itself is not mind control.
	It is the 3D technology that is being used.
	And of course, this is all timed out perfectly.
	The first message you receive is to tell everyone how incredibly cool Avatar is.
	But there was a demonstration about 15 years ago in Hollywood.
	I was not there.
	I know people who were.
	And I've been in the theater at ICM where this demonstration took place.
	It was supposed to be of some new fantastic 3D television technology 15 years ago.
	And you can Google this and you'll see many reports of it.
	In fact, I'll put a link in the show notes.
	And so a guy comes out on stage, and this is an old-fashioned movie theater where you still actually have a stage, and a guy comes out and he starts talking, he's walking around all over the stage, you know, from left to right, and the audience has big Hollywood dignitaries, it's got huge producers, Spielberg was there, it has some government people, and the guy's talking about this, and all of a sudden, he disappears.
	And then he shows up in the front row.
	And he was actually the demonstration.
	It was a complete hologram.
	No glasses necessary.
	The guy was in the theater.
	Everyone believed he was standing there and that he was a real guy setting up the actual 3D presentation.
	This is the technology that is already available.
	So I think this whole avatar thing is a red herring.
	You've got all of these 3D televisions that are coming out, which is purely meant to get kids playing games to submit to mind control.
	Well, there's one interesting aspect of the 3D, especially with the blinking glasses.
	Which is, you can send a message to just one of the eyeballs which just goes into one hemisphere of the brain that is different than the other hemisphere of the brain and one, you know, is more illogical.
	So that's, you know, I'm not going to say there's...
	I personally just think Avatar was a crummy movie, but Mind Control is okay with me.
	I also want to mention the last two people, which is Peter White, of course, our executive producer, and Sven Middlecoop.
	Middlecope.
	Sven Middlecope from Holland.
	And I also got a note from Tracy Lipp, who I guess forgot to send in his note in...
	I guess it's his.
	It could be her.
	Note in the PayPal of Tracy sent us $51...
	And that was an incremental donation of a dollar for every show that he felt works.
	So the breakdown is 6 plus 7 plus 8 plus 9 plus 10 plus 11 is 51 since he started with his $5 donation and he's put himself on his own night layaway program.
	So we appreciate that.
	As we do appreciate all of the $5 donations, because this will be our base, and around 2050...
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	Value for value.
	Oh, man.
	So, uh, he ruined it for everybody.
	Let me talk about weather for a second, John.
	Well, let me see.
	There's a couple things here, since we were talking on real news for a minute.
	Uh, I wanted to...
	And now, back to real news.
	I was, you know, as I was searching around for the, actually about the Russian guy, because I'm trying to figure out, you know, how many degrees of separation we have with him, so we can get invited to his party next year.
	I decided there's too many.
	You were never going to get invited to his party.
	We don't know any of these people.
	Wait a minute, does he know Kevin Bacon?
	You know, I don't know.
	Kevin Bacon was probably at the party, but he was probably being eaten.
	So, we don't know.
	Which, by the way, is my solution for...
	If you watched Earth 2100, and I'm sure it's repeating on the History Channel...
	The one thing that's kind of interesting there is because we eat so much meat and all the Chinese and Japanese want to be just like Mike, and so they're all eating meat and we don't have enough farmland on earth to provide enough Monsanto-grown corn to grow enough meat for everybody to eat.
	I think the only solution to overpopulation at the same time is we just have to start eating the Chinese.
	No, it's an idea.
	And by the way, have you noticed that there's lots of phrases for, what do you want?
	I want Chinese food.
	What do you want?
	I want Japanese food.
	What do you want?
	I want Mexican.
	But no one says, I want to have American, because we're not tasty.
	I never thought of it that way.
	I'm not in Canada, but I can assure you that the Canadians are going berserk over this story.
	Canadian police said Friday that it was wrong.
	It was wrong for one of their officers to whisk Halle Berry, her model boyfriend and baby, through airport security at Montreal's Trudeau Airport.
	A constable at the airport decided to let the couple pass by a long line after a spur-of-the-moment request on Monday by Gabriel Aubrey, a Quebec model who is Berry's boyfriend and the father of her 22-month-old daughter.
	Because they could have had PETN in the kids' diapers.
	So everybody's upset about this, we can say.
	Meanwhile, Joan Rivers was actually detained and not let onto a flight because of her questionable passport.
	Yeah, she didn't look like the same Joan Rivers, which of course is true.
	Which is true.
	I've been on a flight with her, and dude, I've been on a virgin flight.
	She's quite scary.
	Yeah, she's had too much work done.
	And I've worked with her, and she's a very nice lady.
	I mean, very professional.
	I've done a couple TV shows with her back in the day, and great to work with.
	She knows exactly what she's doing.
	Man, her face is like, it's like a Mr.
	Potato Head project gone wrong.
	You know, it's really, woo!
	So yeah, she doesn't look like her passport.
	But still, yeah, you're right.
	So I have a question.
	Can you play the clip?
	Let's see, what's the name of it?
	Can you play the unruly passenger clip?
	Yes.
	Would you like it now?
	Yeah.
	Several passengers told us a man sitting toward the back of the plane, who appeared to be drunk, started yelling.
	He wouldn't calm down.
	He just kept saying that the flight attendant disrespected him because I think somebody was sitting next to him said he downed about five bottles of wine in less than an hour.
	Passengers say the man then went to the lavatory.
	We were sitting in the back of the plane and all of a sudden this man was going in and out of the bathroom and he was making commotion and causing disruption.
	The pilot decided to make an emergency landing at the closest airport, Colorado Springs Municipal Airport and called law enforcement for help.
	Two F-16 fighters exported the plane to a safe landing.
	What are F-16s doing?
	Well, I think we're out in the middle of Colorado, which of course, if anyone's in the show long enough, knows is the center of the new government.
	Yes.
	But why...
	Excuse me, but...
	Yeah, would you please clear your throat properly?
	This is kind of bugging me.
	I don't know why I'm still congested today.
	But anyway, the point is, is that what is the F-16 going to do?
	Shoot the plane down to protect the passengers from getting blown up?
	Well, the same thing happened with a flight to Hawaii.
	I'm going to look this up for a second.
	The passenger wasn't allowed to put his carry-on bag under the seat in front of him in the exit row, which, of course, you know that that is a matter of life and death, and that's why you're not allowed to do that.
	So he got into a little conversation with a flight attendant.
	It was on Hawaiian Airlines.
	And then he actually flipped the flight attendant off, which is not normally a good idea, because as you know, they are God, along with the TSA. So then, anyway, the guy calms down.
	They're flying.
	And then they hand out the passenger evaluation forms.
	And so the guy fills in the form with the following.
	And this is the comment card, which he then put into an envelope, right?
	A sealed envelope.
	And he says, oh, I couldn't put my carry-on bag underneath the seat in front of me.
	I thought I was going to die.
	We're so high up.
	I thought to myself, I hope we don't crash and burn or land in the ocean living through it only to be eaten by sharks or worse yet, end up on some place like Gilligan's Island, stranded, worse, eaten by a tribe of...
	So the guy's just going off, right?
	He's just really pissed off.
	So the flight attendant opens his apparently not so confidential comment card, shows it to the pilot, he turns the plane around, and they're escorted by F-16s back to Portland.
	Unbelievable.
	Meanwhile, when we haven't heard from two Northwest pilots for 45 minutes, there's no scramble, there's no F-16s, there's nothing in the air.
	What are the F-16s going to do?
	Shoot the plane down to protect it?
	Yes, of course.
	It makes no logical sense.
	No, of course it makes sense.
	This is a security theater, John.
	What do you mean?
	You know it makes sense.
	And by the way, you know what?
	It costs a mint in fuel to fly an F-16.
	Yeah, it does.
	I wonder if you get a bill for that later on.
	Probably.
	Well, that would at least make some sense.
	We've got to talk about some real news.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	More real news.
	This one here is the most baffling story I've heard all week.
	Play Words of the Year.
	Words of the Year.
	Well, technology is all the talk these days.
	Literally.
	It's the focus of this year's survey on the number one word of the decade.
	Some of the runners-up include...
	Wait, let me guess.
	The word of the decade.
	Yeah?
	Well, if you want to guess, go ahead.
	You won't get it.
	Okay.
	Well, then I won't guess.
	11, blog, green, text, war on terror and Wi-Fi.
	But the winner is Google.
	The number one word of 2009 was tweet.
	And the most creative word of 2009 was Dracula sneeze, as in sneezing into your elbow.
	Have you ever heard that word in your life?
	I've never heard Dracula sneeze.
	The entire family, my kids, everyone I know, nobody has ever heard Dracula sneeze.
	So I figure somebody slipped it into this as a hoax.
	What did this air on?
	What station?
	CBS, I believe.
	Yeah, it is.
	Cool.
	But anyway, you know what, Dracula, because when you sneeze at your elbow, it's like you're holding the cape like Dracula.
	You know, my son finally deconstructed where the word came from.
	Oh, right, yeah, like you have a cape in front of you, yeah.
	Yeah, but it's bogus.
	I've never heard this before in my life.
	I would like, if any listeners...
	Before, like a couple days ago, have ever heard this word.
	I want an email, because I think it's just somebody dreamed it up and threw it into just...
	And the fact that the news people reading this stuff don't say, I never heard of this word.
	How did this become the word?
	They don't even question these things.
	I'm keeping my eye in the chat room.
	They're about 50 seconds behind.
	We'll see if they've ever heard of it.
	But I've never heard of it, and it makes no sense.
	And it just shows you what kind of crap is out there.
	Some real news, John, if you don't mind.
	But like real, real, real news that is kind of...
	It's underreported at this point.
	It has been on the front page of the Wall Street Journal and the only newspaper I read, the Financial Times, which is becoming harder and harder for me.
	Of course, the labor force shrunk.
	We lost 85,000 jobs in December.
	More jobs.
	More jobs.
	But what is not being reported is the number of bums...
	Increased.
	And that actually increased by 661,000 people.
	What?
	We have over half a million bums?
	Extra bums.
	We just call them as we see them.
	These are people who have decided there is no job and are just dropping out.
	Who knows what actually becomes of them?
	They usually wind up taking my $5 donations on the street.
	So 661,000 bums, and the length of unemployment is an average of 29.1 weeks.
	That is, what is that, seven months?
	That's a lot.
	It is the most on record since records were kept in 1948.
	And, of course, now Nancy Pelosi is talking about, once again, extending the unemployment benefits with another $80 billion taken from the recovery fund. extending the unemployment benefits with another $80 billion taken from Which brings me to another interesting point.
	What is Pelosi's interest in people being unemployed and actually promoting it?
	I mean, this is actually a method of that.
	And here's what I want to mention.
	Schwarzenegger, the governor of California, I know people overseas don't really care about this sort of detailed discussion, but, Schwarzenegger, California's broke.
	It's a bankrupt state.
	And Schwarzenegger believes, and rightly so, that the Californians give an awful lot of money to federal income tax and we also give a lot to the state.
	But you give the government 100% of the money that they get, obviously, you give them X amount of money, and they give you a percentage back in terms of highway funds or whatever.
	Some states get a disproportionate amount more than they contribute, like Alabama, for example, some of these southern states.
	California gets a disproportionate, being the seventh largest economy in the world, supposedly, gets a disproportionate amount of money less.
	We don't get any money from the government.
	Now, Schwarzenegger's asking for a bailout for California.
	Just give us our share back.
	So we can, you know, try to prop this broke state up.
	Pelosi is against it.
	Feinstein is against it.
	And Boxer is against it.
	Now we're talking about these, you know, these people in Congress who are always giving earmarks to their people and they're stealing money from the general fund so their local people can get some advantage, so their states can get extra money.
	What is wrong with our Californian representatives that would just say, fuck California?
	What is wrong with these people?
	I don't know, but the governor asked for $7 billion in federal funds to keep the state afloat.
	And I guess we're not getting it.
	And our representatives, Pelosi and the rest of them, and Feinstein and Boucher, the two senators, say, nah, don't do it.
	We don't want to give California any money at all.
	I don't know what's up with that, John.
	I haven't thought that deeply.
	You seem to be very perturbed about it.
	Yeah.
	Well, I would like to mention a couple of other things to take it out of Gitmo Nation West and take it over to Gitmo Nation Europe.
	Well, the first thing, of course, is the weather, which is wreaking havoc in Europe, according to the London Free Press.
	Paris, snow settling near France's Mediterranean shores.
	German parents battling to buy sleds.
	British horse races called off over too much ice.
	And British companies being put on rations for their use of gas.
	I mean, you couldn't think that this whole thing was good for...
	Actually, is there any way for you to look, John, at the futures prices of...
	They're talking about gas mainly.
	Before this cold snap hit, was there anyone already thinking this was going to happen?
	Was there some big action in the future?
	Do you have a way to look at that from a financial perspective?
	There's ways, but I can't do it right now.
	Would you mind looking into that for the next show?
	Of course, you know my theory that the beautiful spiral over Norway was actually...
	Harp punching a hole in our exosphere and our thermosphere and creating this incredible cold front.
	They're skating on the canals in Amsterdam.
	This hasn't happened.
	I can't remember this happening.
	It's been so long.
	This hasn't happened since the early 70s, I think.
	Early 70s is the last time I can remember that happening.
	So this is huge.
	And the BBC, of course, when people are saying, hey, well, how do you justify global warming with what's happening right now with these record cold temperatures?
	The local weather douche for the BBC had this to say about it.
	He has a very good analogy, and it makes so much sense, John.
	Are you ready?
	Put on your 3D glasses.
	Mind control coming.
	I'll ask you for a very quick answer for a huge question.
	A lot of people are confused about the whole global warming thing, and here we are, and it's freezing cold, and...
	Is there an easy answer to that one?
	Well, put it like this.
	If Manchester United lose three matches on the trot, does it mean to say it's the end of Manchester United?
	Or do you look at the whole season and go, well actually they lost three matches on the trot, but the season overall they did great.
	So you have to stand back and look at the big picture.
	If you just have a look at a little tiny burst of cold, it doesn't mean anything.
	And in climate, it's not a season, it's years.
	You need to look at 30 years worth of weather.
	You have to stand back and go, well, where does that fit in?
	And these things happen from time to time.
	It's like a football match.
	You know, just because we lose a couple doesn't mean that we won't win the climate change battle in the end.
	Yeah, well, they're having another run at it in Mexico shortly.
	And they're going to have the same geeks there.
	You know, another one of these meetings, off-site meetings, in some faraway place.
	Yeah.
	Although Mexico's not too far for us, but it's not, what I would say, a convenient...
	Well, they already kind of agreed to agree at the...
	At the Copenhagen Summit.
	So I think what's going to happen now, there's not going to be any...
	And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that they set it up this way.
	So they signed an agreement that they will agree on the next things they want to agree upon.
	So there's going to be no coverage.
	There'll be no protest.
	No one's going to be walking around.
	It's not going to be trumped up.
	But everyone's going to come together.
	They'll agree on some shit.
	And then they'll have another step in their erector set.
	Yep.
	And then Google comes out, and they're now an energy company.
	Surely you knew this, John.
	Yeah, I've been following this.
	Google is just trying to...
	They're pushing it.
	They're pushing their luck here with some of these things.
	Well, so if I understand it correctly, they now can essentially become the Enron of energy, if they want to, all under the guise of, yes, we made a pledge to reach carbon neutrality, and I don't see how they're going to do that.
	I mean, good luck with your windmills keeping all that stuff running.
	So they want to be able to buy and sell energy wholesale, as they assert, so they can buy green energy.
	But they don't rule out that they wouldn't be trading energy at some point in the future.
	And then to hear Eric Schmidt say, well, essentially, the smart grid is our business.
	We deal with a grid.
	We deal with a grid where you can connect any device, and it's peered and sent around the world, and it's exactly what we do.
	So we should be in that business.
	That's something we need to keep an eye on, I would say.
	Yeah.
	So I got one of the Google phones, the new Nexus.
	It's not really the Google phone, but it's a...
	It's an HTC phone.
	Right.
	I would tell people, until the skins come out for it, I would tell people, and I realized that when we had Chris DeBona on the Cranky Geek show, he mentioned that he's on his third one.
	I didn't think too much about that at the time.
	What does that mean exactly?
	He broke two of them.
	How did they break?
	You can't hold on to them.
	Ah, they're slippery devils.
	They're extremely slippery.
	And so, I mean, I almost broke this one already.
	I mean, it's just like it falls out of your hands.
	And you have to hold it in an awkward way because the screen is so huge and it goes right to the edge.
	And it doesn't have dual touch.
	So when you grab the thing, you're actually touching the screen 90% of the time.
	So when you're pushing on the buttons, nothing's going on because you're already shorting it out.
	Yeah, you're shorting it out, yep.
	So you have to hold it in some awkward fashion that is very unsafe for the device to actually use it, and then it still slips out of your hand.
	I put some gaffer's tape on the thing to keep it from slipping, and the surface is so slippery, the gaffer's tape sticks to it.
	Gaffer tape sticks to everything.
	You can fix a broken leg with gaffer tape.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	That's interesting.
	When a skin comes out for it...
	You mean like the rubber enclosures?
	You don't mean...
	Yeah, rubber enclosures comes out for it some sort so it won't be flopping all over the place, which is obviously not available yet.
	At least I haven't seen any.
	Then it'll be okay, but I think until then I would wait.
	Because you're going to break it.
	I mean, I don't know how long...
	I had this phone for a few days and I think at any moment I can break it.
	The battery lasts a little longer than the original G phone.
	I was running the thing at full tilt, you know, online and everything.
	About three and a half hours it finally gave up.
	But that was, you know, Wi-Fi running, GPS running, Bluetooth on, everything.
	So I'm making the subheading for No Agenda iPhone apps, which you can find in the show notes at NoAgendaShow.com.
	I believe there's an Android app, although I'm not sure if someone has any apps.
	And if there's a Blackberry app, even better.
	Please email me that.
	And on top of that, and you pointed this out on an email thread, John, there's a lot of these new devices.
	There's a Sony, like, alarm clock that's come out, and they are including radio feeds.
	And as we're now sprucing up the No Agenda Stream radio stream, please start petitioning these companies to put our stream into their devices.
	Yes.
	That would be a big help for all of us to get more listeners and to achieve our goals for this year.
	Yes, please do that and also if you go on some radio talk show, you do anything, try to plug us, get a copy of it and we'll make you a public relations associate for that show.
	Yes.
	That week.
	So you'll get a PR credit.
	A PR credit.
	If you can get on Howard Stern or any of these.
	I would like to be mainstream.
	I'd like to be television.
	The local PBS station.
	I don't care what it is.
	Exactly.
	Just get on and plug us.
	Give us a plug and maybe some people will decide to listen in.
	To wrap things up, I do have an interesting list of things that men can do to maintain...
	I don't know if the women listeners are going to appreciate this.
	To maintain an erection?
	No, to maintain their general stereotype of being kind of pigs.
	Okay.
	Now, I want to discuss how this came about.
	I was researching that Russian guy, and I went to this very interesting website.
	It's kind of a girly magazine called BettyConfidential.com, and they were running a story on what men, they scanned the men's magazines and found out what men are complaining about.
	Which got me onto this JAG. And they found a list, for example, most recently.
	They complained about women use the cell phone too often.
	They can't make up their minds.
	They don't fight fair.
	They get too girly.
	And the number five one, which got me into the whole thing, was we like to um, leave the house.
	And the woman wrote it.
	She says, we're not totally sure why guys are so annoying, but several dudes insisted it is.
	Uh.
	With quotes from these guys, women like to do stuff like, let's go dancing, let's eat out, let's leave the house.
	Dave from Los Angeles whines.
	She uses the word whines, by the way, when it's maybe just statements.
	No, no, no.
	I think it's really whining.
	I know what that sounds like.
	Men generally love two things, women and couches.
	Anyway, so I'm talking about a quote from this one guy who says, there's no romantic comedy worth paying full price admission for at the movie theater, he tells Betty.
	Movie theaters are made specifically to see stuff explode.
	I, by the way, agree with that.
	So I linked to a site that said, here's the things you can do if you're a man to just annoy women to no end.
	And I thought I should repeat this.
	And I know that our female producers probably won't think it's funny.
	Okay, so now why would you actually want to annoy women?
	I think it's amusing.
	Okay.
	It can be entertaining.
	Okay.
	Let me try them out here locally while you mention them, John.
	Let's go with your top ten.
	Top ten ways for men to seem macho and annoy women.
	Top nine ways.
	Top nine.
	Be cheap.
	Forget your wallet when you go on a date and always under tip.
	Okay?
	Don't hold the door for her.
	Hey, women did away with chivalry.
	You know, I always hold the door for women.
	Hey, I'm not trying to.
	You're a great guy.
	I am a great guy.
	Leave gobs of toothpaste or hair in her sink.
	No, that's not a good one.
	Call her in the middle.
	It's funny though, because women always squeeze the middle of the tube.
	Do your women do that too?
	Women always squeeze the middle of the tube.
	I've never seen a woman that doesn't do that.
	They do it just to annoy us.
	Yes, and they can't put the top on properly.
	They can't put the top on.
	They squeeze in the middle.
	There's always a plug at the end because the top's not on, right?
	And they always leave the toilet seat down.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	And my rule is you have to put the toilet seat down and close the lid because then it's equal.
	All right?
	Yeah, I agree.
	The lid should be closed.
	If everyone's job is to make sure the lid is closed, then we're equal and then no one gets any advantage on the toilet seat.
	Right.
	Call her in the middle of the night and don't apologize the next day.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Be late.
	She can stand to wait a little.
	Yeah, no, I don't like that.
	The thing is, women are always late.
	It's almost impossible to be late.
	I have the exception to the rule, man.
	My woman is always on time.
	Okay, here we go.
	Spend a lot of time with your ex, or mention several times how she looks like a cross between Cameron Diaz and Uma Thurman.
	Let me try that.
	Hey, honey, you look a lot like a cross between...
	No, not her, it's your ex that looks like...
	Oh, my ex?
	Oh, no, I'm sorry.
	Don't call when you say you will.
	Why does she take you so literally anyway?
	This is dumb.
	Blow off her birthday or Valentine's Day because holidays are just a scan created by the greeting card companies.
	Valentine's Day, right.
	That's bad.
	Spend every evening watching sports on TV, weekends too.
	Don't give up your golf tee time for any reason, even if she needs a date for a friend's wedding.
	And finally, when she says, I'm getting fat, respond with, why don't you join my gym?
	Alright.
	In my ongoing collection...
	And I think I will be able to release a CD, maybe by year's end, in the, well, of course, it all started with Nancy Pelosi.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	So we have, what do we have now?
	Seven or eight of these, John?
	I think we've got, so last week, or on Thursday, we had Governor Schwarzenegger.
	And now, from the Netherlands, we have...
	A new one?
	Yes, we have a new one.
	The word for jobs in Dutch is werk.
	All right, here it comes.
	Mariette Hammer.
	...an het werk kunnen blijven.
	Dus wij vragen van het kabinet werk, werk, werk.
	Zorg.
	There you go.
	Werk, werk, werk.
	Now, there's a difference.
	There's a code here because some people say jobs, jobs, jobs, and then some people say jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	They use either three jobs or four jobs, and I think we're starting to see a trend of who uses the three jobs and who uses the four.
	Was this a three or a four jobber?
	That was a three.
	Let me hear again.
	You're right.
	But she said Werek before that, so it was actually four altogether.
	It has to be four in a row.
	Schwarzenegger's was a three.
	Pelosi's was a four.
	Right.
	Well, there has to be some difference in the rank.
	Thank you.
	I think it may be the political affiliation.
	John, I just have a couple things I just want to get out because otherwise I'm going to forget them and I won't do them next week.
	Russia has now banned U.S. poultry over our use of chlorine in our poultry.
	I was not aware that we use chlorine.
	We spray the birds sometimes with a light chlorine bath because they're so contaminated with salmonella.
	So this is a good idea?
	You can rinse it off.
	Yeah, can't you just use water?
	Oh, no, wait, that's...
	Of course we can't just use water.
	That has too much fluoride in it.
	This morning waking up is fluoride in my cup.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	So they're right then, or is that just a political move to...
	I think it's a political thing.
	Okay.
	President Obama enacted his first veto...
	No way.
	Yes, he did.
	But it was a really weird one.
	And this was over the military spending bill.
	And I'm very confused by it, John, because there's a couple of different types of vetoes.
	You have a pocket veto.
	And then you have a regular veto.
	Pocket veto is where you just put it in a drawer and you never take action.
	Well, he released a memorandum of...
	What did he call it?
	A memorandum of disapproval.
	And it was very confusing.
	Disapproval.
	Yeah, disapproval.
	So the enactment of H.R. 3326, Department of Defense Appropriations Act, which was signed into law on December 19th, has rendered the enactment of H.J. Resolution 64, which is the Continuing Appropriations Act, unnecessary.
	Accordingly, I am withholding my approval from the bill, the pocket veto case, 279 U.S. 655 from 1929, to leave no doubt that the bill is being vetoed as unnecessary legislation, in addition to withholding my signature, I am returning H.J. Resolution in addition to withholding my signature, I am returning H.J. Resolution 64 to the Clerk of the House of Representatives, along with this Memorandum of I'm not quite sure what that means.
	I don't know.
	I've never heard of a memorandum of disapproval.
	So there was an article on the Huffington Post, because I Googled around to see if anyone was writing about it, and that confused me even more.
	Robert J. Spitzer writes in an open letter to the President, I, along with many other Americans, applaud your willingness to break with bad practices of your predecessors, especially those of your immediate predecessor.
	Just last week, for example, your executive order and accompanying memorandum to agency has directed the agencies overhaul their documents.
	Classification procedures will restore sanity and appropriate sunlight to the mindless overclassification of government documents.
	On December 30th, however, you mimicked an action of your predecessor that pointlessly reopened a constitutional can of worms by the manner in which you exercised your very first veto of your presidency.
	The bill you vetoed, a continuing appropriations bill, was rendered unnecessary because of the enactment of a defense appropriations bill.
	And then he goes on this whole thing that he's confusing, like he used the pocket veto, but the regular veto at the same time, and it's like a constitutional trick somehow.
	And, John, I really need your help on this.
	You're going to have to call a professor.
	I have no idea what this is all about.
	Oh, then I clearly have the wrong person on the show.
	Yeah.
	I have no idea what this is all about.
	The whole thing seems weird.
	You couldn't find any analysis anywhere?
	Well, nothing I could understand.
	Nothing I could understand.
	No.
	And I'd just like to know, so does that mean that the money can be spent?
	Because this has all of the stuff that's in here.
	This is about the...
	It sounds as if this bill supersedes some other bill where they're already spending money.
	And by vetoing this bill, the other bill is still in play, and that's where all the money is being spent via...
	Yeah, but in these bills is all the extension of the Patriot Act.
	There's probably something in the bill that he had to...
	There's probably one minor point in the bill that he had to kill the bill to get rid of that, because you can't do line-item vetoes.
	I mean, they just don't let you do that.
	And then you're also exposing yourself when you do line item vetoes.
	This is the reason they don't want to do that.
	Because you're going to cross out one item and it's going to be like, why is he crossing out that?
	And then they're going to overanalyze it.
	So now it's like, kill the whole bill, send it back to the House, tell them to rewrite it.
	And what they're going to do is bring back a bill that's going to have everything.
	Because there's probably some secret information in that memo about what he didn't like about the bill that's specific to one issue.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I didn't know anything about this.
	Do you care?
	No, I don't think it's interesting.
	I think it's highly interesting.
	When someone does the end of the year while we're all getting drunk and it's something like this, I think that's interesting.
	That's the kind of stuff you've got to watch out for.
	There's always weird crap happening at the very end of the year when no one's looking.
	Yeah, well there's a lot of things that are happening all the time when no one's looking.
	In fact, my favorite thing this week was on, I think Hannity had it.
	He had a clip.
	I mean, I wish I'd dubbed it, but it was on the radio show.
	He had a clip of every Obama reference to running the health care debate on C-SPAN for the final bill.
	Oh, I actually have that.
	I have that clip.
	You want to hear it?
	Yeah, it goes on and on and on.
	And then, of course, at the end of the day, Obama says, no, you don't want to run it on C-SPAN when it actually has to, you know, when we're finally wrapping up this deal.
	Yeah, this is all from when he was candidate Obama, and it wasn't just like a little off-handed thing where like, oh yeah, you know, we will put that on system.
	No, he harped on it.
	It was like a huge, huge promise.
	Give me a second here, because I actually have the video of it.
	You know, Hannity's not doing any work.
	It's other people on the Internet who are doing all of this work.
	He's just a total, basically, just a talking head.
	Sorry.
	Well, that's loading up.
	I don't know.
	For some reason, that's taking a little while.
	I think most of our listeners have probably heard it.
	But it's like a lot of times.
	I mean, it wasn't like once or twice or an offhanded remark.
	It was, you know, pounding.
	This is when I'm president.
	I'm going to do this.
	And I guarantee it's like the getting out of Iraq thing, which I still think is one of our best things.
	We should run it more often.
	You know, I can take it to the bank.
	When I'm president, the first thing I'm going to do is close Gitmo and get out of Iraq.
	You can take it to the bank.
	How come we're still in Iraq?
	Let's get out of Iraq.
	Yeah, I got it on YouTube.
	I'll play it from here.
	This will work.
	Not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are.
	Because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process.
	I would put my plan forward and I would welcome input and say, here are my goals.
	Reduce costs, increase quality coverage for everybody.
	If you have better ideas, please present them.
	But these negotiations will be on C-SPAN. And so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the choices that are being made.
	You know, I respect what the Clintons tried to do in 1993 in moving health reform forward.
	But they made one really big mistake, and that is they took all their people and all their experts into a room and then they closed the door.
	We will work on This process publicly.
	It'll be on C-SPAN. It will be streaming over the net.
	We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.
	But here's the thing.
	We're going to do all these negotiations on C-SPAN. So the American people will be able to watch these negotiations.
	Drug and insurance companies will have a seat at the table.
	They just won't be able to buy every single chair.
	And we will have a public Uh...
	process for forming this plan.
	It'll be televised on C-SPAN. I can't guarantee it'll be exciting, so not everybody's going to be watching it.
	Oh, we would.
	But it will be transparent and accountable to the American people.
	The drug and the insurance companies are still going to have a lot of power in Washington.
	And they're still going to try to plot more forms from taking place.
	So that's why I've said, for example, that I want the negotiations to be taking place on C-SPAN. So I'll put forward my plan, but what I'll say is, look, if you've got better ideas, I'm happy to listen to them.
	But all this will be done on C-SPAN, in front of the public.
	One of my jobs as the president will be to guide this process so that it's an honest process.
	There you go, on C-SPAN. Unbelievable.
	So, the good news is, And I had a lot of conversations over the weekend with Mickey about this.
	And I do want to end on a positive note.
	I really do.
	Even though it pains me.
	The Tea Party, I think there's something really good going on there.
	People who listen to programs like this one, who are aware of what's happening, who are passing that news on, you can go to the show notes at NoAgendaShow.com and you can send these links to your friends, people who are still kind of slumbering along, playing the 3D Xbox, getting mind-controlled.
	And you can jolt them awake, because when you see this in mainstream...
	This, to me, was great.
	I don't think many people care.
	The C-SPAN, what the hell is that?
	They're not going to give a crap.
	But there's a lot of this stuff that is in mainstream media reporting that people say, huh, I didn't know that, so it does get reported.
	Okay.
	Just not always on the front page.
	And we can really start to change things.
	And it's apparent to me in the United States, Europe is going to be a little bit more complicated because they've moved a little bit further there with the United States of Europe and the European Parliament.
	Although I do see some, you know, there's some great voices cropping up there.
	But in the United States, we essentially, I have great hope.
	We have to kick everybody out.
	And what the government knows is that if the people stand up and say, sorry, this is not going to go any further, there's way too many people.
	There's no military, no police force, no TSA, no one who can stop us if we just say, we're tired of it, we're not going to take it anymore.
	And all you have to do is just get involved in a couple of elections and kick everybody out.
	It's not going to be that hard.
	And I have great hope, particularly for the United States.
	I think that the United States citizens, they're saveable.
	So things are happening, and I'm happy for it, and I'm glad to see that it's moving in a good direction.
	Well, I'm glad you're so up-tempo, upbeat.
	Are you not?
	No, of course not.
	Things aren't moving in a good direction.
	It sucks.
	Look at what's happening in Australia.
	Those poor guys are just screwed.
	Yeah, but there's people making moves.
	You know, it's like a lost cause up there.
	I mean, they try, but, you know, they're actually probably better off than we are in some ways.
	But in other ways, you know, they put the clamps down on them and they're rubbed by hats and run by the Queen, for God's sake.
	Well, John, I think that...
	I'm the butt skill.
	Yes, you are.
	That's okay.
	You harsh my mellow, but only a little bit.
	I can live through it.
	I hope.
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