Scott Brown and Heather Mullins join Mike Lindell to discuss Brown's military service, his critique of "woke" education policies, and his condemnation of 12 to 15 million illegal border entrants. They analyze sanctuary city failures, election integrity via paper ballots, and ACA flaws while Lindell promotes American Independence Gold and Chapter Medicare. Lindell further argues against pandemic overreach, exposes government corruption in Claremont and California, supports Trump's Iran strategy, and invites Brown to a debate, framing the election as a choice between established wealth and his 40 years of service. [Automatically generated summary]
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My pillow guy, Mike Lindell, he is the greatest.
The My Pillow guy, thank you.
Mike Lindell.
And he's been with us right from the beginning.
Mullins here with Lindell TV, filling in for Mike Lindell today and joining me out of my home state of New Hampshire, Scott Brown.
Thank you for joining us.
You are running for Senate here in my state against Johnny Sununu.
So thank you for joining me to start off.
Sure, sure.
My best to Mike, too.
I met him at the convention when my band was playing down at the Harley Davidson Museum.
I went and did some radio row and TV row and saw him.
So I could, I saw him.
Tall.
Oh, yeah, he is.
I feel like your personalities, you guys would hit it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Well, so let's, your background.
I mean, I was digging through it.
There's a lot here.
You're a Republican politician, attorney, retired U.S. Army National Guard colonel.
So, yeah.
I joined after the blizzard of 1978, and you weren't born.
So I'm definitely old, but we basically had seven feet of snow dumped on the roads in a couple of hours, and people died in the highways.
They died in their homes because they didn't dig out the venting from their.
Heating systems and they got carbon monoxide, they died.
So, what they actually did, some of the guardsmen, they had to put the bodies on the roofs because there was no way to get to the mortuaries, no way to get to the hospitals.
So, I saw these amazing people helping people and I said, you know, I want to be like them.
So, I, like months after I joined, and then I did, I was an infantry officer, enlisted man, infantry quartermaster, then a JAG, and then finally, my last four years were at the Pentagon working for one of the Joint Chiefs.
Oh, wow.
That's where I'm at now for Lindell TV as their Pentagon correspondent.
So, it's been a.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
So, do you see Pete at all?
Oh, I do, yes.
I'm in the briefing room.
I get to ask Pete lots of questions.
I'll give him my best.
I worked with him at Fox.
I helped him get ready for his briefings, hearings.
I didn't know that.
The whole, you know, like what to expect, you know, the gotcha questions.
And as you can see, you got plenty of them.
Oh, I know.
He's doing a really wonderful job.
I mean, the thing that's different now versus other presidents is that the secrecy and the lack of leaks are like.
Oh, yeah.
How it should be.
Absolutely.
I mean, kudos to both Secretary Hagseth and yourself for taking questions from me because I'm known for some hardballs.
Yeah, well, you know, listen, that's the difference.
I've been, you know, taking hardball questions since I was almost born, it seems.
Yeah, it seems the left, the Democrats can't really say the same because for a while it was, you know, when you look at the way the Pentagon has opened up their briefing rooms and the White House as well, like there's a lot new.
A lot of new journalists like myself that are in the mix.
But back to you.
Can I just add something to that?
Sure.
That's a really important point.
People are complaining so much about, oh, Trump said this and Trump said that.
And he's, listen, he's the most transparent, open president in my lifetime.
He just goes on and on and on to the point where, like, okay, Mr. President, it's time for the babysitter to come.
I have time to go home.
It's already been three hours.
Like, and then they complain that he's not available enough or not answering all the questions.
He's like, He's giving you so much information.
It is a double standard.
So, I, you know, it's just.
Well, being accessible, even just like what we're doing now, and being able to ask you your position on all of these, you know, things that matter to Americans is so important.
And I think we've gotten so used to politicians sort of being, you know, like, you know, not really making time for journalists.
But there's a reason that freedom of the press was enshrined in our Constitution by our founders because they knew we were sort of the balance, the checks and balance on our politicians.
Well, you know, my wife was in the media for.
I do know that, yes.
So we wholeheartedly adhere to that philosophy.
I think I actually moderated a congressional debate that your wife was a part of.
Was that New England College?
Yeah.
I forget where it was.
It was in Keene.
Yeah, somewhere.
I do remember a few years ago.
But back to your career here.
So you were U.S. Army, National Guard.
And then from there, I think you were also a Massachusetts politician.
You ran for.
For the US Senate out there as well.
I actually think I voted for you because I'm originally from Massachusetts and Cape Cod originally.
Brewster?
Yeah, nice.
I know that well.
I remember when I first became of age to vote, you and actually met Romney.
I have a little like buyer's remorse on that one, but you guys were some of my first votes.
Thank you.
You know, it's interesting.
Just to make it easy, because you could, you know, it is, I was like, wow, that's my Wikipedia.
It's like this big.
I was born at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard.
My parents, my dad was at Pease.
It was a small.
In New Hampshire.
Yeah, in New Hampshire.
And my mom was in Portsmouth.
The first three years I lived in Portsmouth.
My family actually goes back to 1717.
I'm a ninth generation son of the American.
Revolution out of Newington, New Hampshire.
That's pretty cool.
Long and strong history there, but when my parents got divorced, I moved to Wakefield, Mass.
I know you know where that is.
Because there was no security blanket for my mom.
She wasn't really educated.
She had a new baby and no support.
And yeah, assessor, selectman, state rep, state senator, U.S. senator, and then moved back home.
Then the ambassador to New Zealand.
New Hampshire's representative as an ambassador confirmed 94 to 4 for President Trump's first term.
So had you worked?
With President Trump prior to that, or how did that nomination come about?
I was the first mainstream person to endorse him.
Oh, wow.
You know, in 16, and I took a lot of grief for it, but I said, no, he's going to win.
Even when, after, you know, I think the Billy Bush thing and all these other things, I said, no, he's going to win because people are tired of the Bushes, the Clintons.
Now they're tired of the Sununus and the Shaheens.
It's like a carbon copy of what's going on.
So, yeah, I felt he was, you know, we needed an outsider to go in there and basically, you know, a bull in a china shop and kind of.
Shake things up a little bit.
And he did.
And he basically did that with one arm tied behind his back in that first term.
Because he was new.
He didn't know what he was doing.
They thought they would roll him.
But I got through.
I was the first, second guy out the door behind Israel in the Indo Pacific, pushing back against China every single day for almost two and a half years until I got reinforcements in Australia and Fiji and other parts of the world, really.
Yeah, and I definitely want to go into that a little more.
But just for this first segment here, can you tell us a little bit just about your family?
And I know you have a wife.
Kids, grandkids, like what's the family?
Give us a little background.
My mom and dad were married and divorced four times each.
My dad was three.
He passed away, but they were kind of estranged.
My mom was on welfare for a period of time.
And I remember getting those blocks of cheese and the powdered milk and everything and getting that assistance as a safety net.
She worked like three or four jobs and ultimately did her very, very, very best.
I'm a domestic abuse survivor, sexual assault survivor.
I have two stepsisters and a stepbrother.
And I got arrested at 12, drinking, driving, and stealing.
I didn't drink when I was driving, but I was driving at 12, doing stupid things.
And thank God I got arrested stealing records.
And it gave me a second chance.
It really kind of was like, boom, what are you doing, dude?
You can kill somebody.
And I had a judge that basically read me the Riot Act and scared me straight, which was important.
And I had basketball, and he had a good coach and teacher that said, come here.
And they started smacking me all over around my head.
But then, you know, obviously went to Wake.
High School graduated in Tufts University and Boston College Law School.
I met my wife soon thereafter.
In law school, yeah.
I was just out of law school.
I was actually in law school.
My gosh, yeah.
But I was just back from basic training from the military and I met her.
We've been married, it's going to be 40 years this July.
Congratulations!
That's a long time.
Thank you.
And two daughters, Ayla and Ariana.
Ayla was on American Idol season five.
I remember that, yeah.
And then Ariana's a veterinarian.
She's on the New Hampshire Veterinary Board right now and does very, very well.
And four grandchildren.
So that's it in a nutshell.
Congratulations.
Well, real quick on that.
I'm the only one with grandchildren here, and that's why this race is so important, affecting not only you, but your kids and your grandchildren.
It's incredible what's going on out there.
For sure.
And real quick on that 40 years.
So what's your advice to young couples wanting a 40 year marriage because it's not common these days.
Drink heavily?
No.
Don't do that, guys.
I'm kidding.
That's a joke.
It's Chuck Brown drank heavily for 40 years.
You know, it's really not sweating the small stuff, you know, like the silly stuff.
Well, you know, and what kids do, all right, is they definitely like daddy said, oh, no, I didn't.
Mommy said, and they try to pitch you against each other and they try to divide you.
So we always knew that we always talked, okay, this is what we're going to do for homework.
This is what we're going to do for fun.
Have a united Front and front, and then we use the one, two, three method.
You know, like with Ayla, she loved basketball, Ariana, she loved horses.
I didn't get disagreement.
Listen, you got I'm gonna count to three, and it's your choice, you do whatever you want.
If you don't do that, then you're gonna miss your basketball game.
One, two, and it's a big game.
Okay, you know, Ariana, you're not gonna go down and see the horses today.
And we, you know, she had a friend who had a bunch of horses.
So it worked.
But they're good kids and we're very blessed.
And, you know, I wish everybody luck with their kids.
Yeah.
A lot of work.
So let's dive into that issue then.
Speaking of kids, I know education is a big one.
The current state of the education, not just here in New Hampshire, but abroad, actually right here in New Hampshire, there was the DOJ is now investigating, or the Department of Education is investigating Title IX funding because of a lot of the woke sort of.
Trans stuff.
It's a big issue for the Republicans, is protecting women's sports, keeping women's spaces private.
What is your position just on the situation unfolding with the current education system in America?
First of all, there's no place for men or boys and women or girls' sports.
My daughter played basketball, college basketball at Boston College, committed at 15 years old.
And the thought of some man, a biological man, who's transitioning, going and taking her job.
Um, you know, quite frankly, it is disturbing, and you saw what happened with uh, you know, Leah Thomas and Riley Gaines and their whole thing, and you see it now still.
They say, Well, it's just a couple of people, well, it shouldn't be any, just like I thought with Martha Raditz when JD Vance was doing an interview talking about the gangs in Colorado.
It's only a couple of housing complexes, and he goes, What this is the United States of America, we shouldn't have foreign gangs in anything, yeah.
Well, it's the same type of thing, and I certainly respect somebody who's going through a change and they want to change their life, and that.
God bless them.
They want to do it.
I have no objection.
It's live free or die.
But when you're going to then go and crush the dreams of young women and girls, that's where I draw the line.
And I know, obviously, the Secretary McMahon, I supported her when she ran in Connecticut, and I think what she's doing there is appropriate.
There's no place for that stuff.
How about just teaching them how to read and write and do the things that they need to get better?
Because that's what's happening in other parts of the world.
They're not pushing this agenda, and they are focusing on the things that they need to be focusing on, and we can do better.
So that's nationally.
The beauty of New Hampshire is yes, we have these pockets that are still kind of fighting and kicking and screaming and trying to go underneath the table and do things differently.
But we have the education freedom accounts.
I just got a presentation again on that.
So congratulations to that.
There is school choice.
There are many, many different options that, quite frankly, other states don't have.
I think we're way ahead of the curve in that regard.
And there are some wonderful teachers out there.
But the kids should have the option to do homeschooling and parochial, private.
Public, you know, I should have a high school kid who he or she is just like amazingly smart.
Go to a community college, or they want to do something, maybe be a plumber or electrician.
Go to, you know, your, your, your, obviously your trade school, but then go to a community college and get a different, you know, there should be that whole thing.
It's not, there's not this one size fits all.
It's something that's exceedingly important for sure.
So, do you support then the federal government sort of stripping funding from schools that allow the men and women's spaces in?
Sports, or would you say like you support those measures?
Well, the president signed an executive order prohibiting those things and they're violating it, so there's got to be a mechanism and usually money talks.
Yeah.
And when you're saying, when you're going to, when they're coming and you have to spend legal fees and other town resources when you could be using it to build a new baseball field or a new science lab or a new music theater or whatever, and you're spending it on legal fees, basically defending a policy that's been deemed illegal and inappropriate.
Yeah, so I support the federal government, and more importantly, I commend the governor and our legislature for taking away.
Different but same sanctuary cities and sanctuary state, and also the ability to say, Hey, listen, this stuff isn't appropriate.
Yeah, we can.
I mean, that can be a good segue into the next topic.
I know sort of the immigration issue has impacted New Hampshire, even with the governor banning sanctuary cities.
Massachusetts, right next door, is the exact opposite.
And so they've embraced illegal immigration, they've given them driver's licenses, and some of those.
Issues, you know, pour into New Hampshire.
So, what is your position, one, on the current immigration crisis we're facing as a country, and two, the remedy for it?
Well, first of all, regarding what we just spoke about, Chris Pappas has been all in supporting men and boys and women and girls sports.
I forgot to mention that.
Has been from the beginning.
And that's what we have in our federal delegation.
Our entire federal delegation does not believe what I just said.
It's one of the reasons I am running.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
In terms of the immigration issues, but not for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris doing what they did, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Pick a number.
You've heard so many different numbers.
Let's just say it's, I believe it's probably 12 to 15 million people here that came in.
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That came in.
That just crossed, you know.
And some of them we knew, some of them they didn't.
Oh, just go have a party.
Here's a ticket.
Here's a plane.
See you later.
While our veterans and while people who are hurting, like my mom and others, you know, they're begging for this.
They're begging for that.
They don't get the free housing, the free cars, the free gas cards, the free phones.
And it's completely abhorrent and immoral, uh, I believe.
Uh, I thought what the, and I never thought we needed new legislation.
It was just a backdoor way to amnesty.
I knew that because they tried to do that when I was there.
Uh, what President Trump Did under his leadership is unbelievable.
You know, congratulations.
Those things are very, very important.
To have the border be shut down like it is and have the drugs stop flowing through that area is huge.
And then I think the next question would be well, what does it matter here?
It's our northern border.
We only have, like, if I'm not mistaken, one agent up there.
You still have, I think it's 19 miles of border.
Drugs are still coming down there.
They're going down to New York City and being cut and flashed and coming back through our area.
So it's not eliminated.
So I want to make sure we can get the proper resources.
I was on Homeland Security.
And I know the issue.
I want to get back involved.
I want to provide the resources for our state to stop those types of things.
And when it comes to what ICE is doing, but not once again for places like Massachusetts, Minnesota, all these other places saying, hey, listen, we have this guy who raped, killed, murdered, sodomized, pick up whatever they did.
We have him in our jail.
Instead of saying, can you get him out of here?
He's already got a deportation order.
He's already done.
There's no due process.
Just get.
You're paying for it.
Yeah.
We aren't, fortunately, but Massachusetts, Minnesota, they're paying for it.
Like, why?
Just say here.
And that's what they did under Biden, Obama.
That's what they did.
Well, I mean, even outside of Massachusetts, right?
If you just look at the angel families, we're paying for it that way.
The people that have been killed by the illegal immigrants, there's the insurance hikes that go up.
Like, I'm sure New Hampshire has probably seen, if you're down by the border near Massachusetts, an increase in insurance premiums because they're giving these people from all these different countries driver's licenses.
And half of them don't even speak the language.
And so there's a number of other ways that the immigration issue impacts even the red states like ours.
And so it's how do you, how does the federal government, I guess, curb the states like Massachusetts from.
Being like a hemorrhaging illegal immigrants into our nation.
Well, they are.
Transportation Secretary, for example, in California is basically taking away funding because they're issuing these driver's licenses for these semi trucks.
People, you've seen, we've all seen it.
Listen, the fact that we're even talking about this and wasting air on these types of things is mind boggling.
You know, to think that this is what happened under the Biden administration and to think that somebody, people think, oh, it should be fixed overnight.
No.
It's a Herculean effort, and I support what ICE is doing in terms of getting the worst of the worst out.
Are there going to be issues?
Yes.
Are they being addressed?
Well, that's why my friend Mark Wayne Mellon, who endorsed me, is now in charge because there were problems, and I hope that he does what he said he's going to do and fixes them because we are a nation of laws.
You go to Aruba, you go to Bahamas, Jamaica, any other island country, any country at all, you could never get away with the stuff that people are getting away with here.
Who is it the best?
Player Brittany Griner that went over it, yeah, and brought illegal paraphernalia into a country that has laws against it, and she ended up in prison.
So, um, there are laws.
So, let me ask you this why do you think there's such a controversy in Congress, like on these issues?
Because when it comes to angel families, when it comes to the fentanyl, like all these negative issues from the illegal immigration impact Democrats and Republicans.
Why is it so?
Divided in Congress, though.
Like, wouldn't you think even Democrats would want their own communities to be safe because they raise families here?
Why are they so opposed to the funding of ICE?
Yeah, well, first of all, when President Trump was giving his State of the Union and the Democrats couldn't even stand up for some of those people that were killed.
And it's just, once again, it was disgraceful.
What do you think is motivating them to not stand?
I think it's pretty easy that it's about votes, you know, because the census changes.
By having these people come in and be part of the communities by legalizing them and giving them rights that they're not entitled to, they're hopeful that there's a pathway to citizenship.
And a lot of these people are from basically countries that are depressed and have issues, traditionally, may want to have a welfare situation happen to them and they'll vote Democrat.
That's pretty straightforward and that affects the census directly.
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It just seems like there's a problem in Congress with Congress actually representing the American people.
For example, the SAVE Act right now is something that is wildly popular with both Democrats and Republicans.
Yet, even with the Republicans having control of the House and the Senate and the White House, the SAVE Act can't seem to get passed.
What's your take on that?
Well, I think they should keep them there 24 7.
I've already said this.
They should not get paid while the government is shut down.
TSA workers, my nephew who's in the Coast Guard, he's the ex-O up in Portsmouth, hasn't been paid.
A lot of folks.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, he's this young guy.
He's a kid.
I mean, you know, how?
Why?
But these guys just got back from a great vacation.
I guess Lindsey Graham was down in Disney World and so-and-so is here and every.
It's like it's broken.
So I think Thune and our leader, the House leader, should keep everybody there 24-7, no fundraising, no nothing until they get these things done.
That's the answer.
That's the real answer.
And the SAVE Act.
Quite frankly, they're saying, well, women can't do this and women can't do that and women don't know.
They're married.
I think it's insulting to women, quite honestly.
The fact that you can't figure out how to get your marriage certificate or a copy of her birth certificate or a name change document from the court, it's insulting.
It's not that hard.
And if there's an issue where people need help, then we should have the ability to have people help them.
Because, quite frankly, you should have no issues.
And thank God New Hampshire changed it.
You've got to at least show a license, which is great.
And why don't you want to show a license?
I mean, to get into any Democrat event, political event, you need to show what it is.
Voter ID, yeah.
So, but to vote, it's okay.
You just go right on in.
So, excuse me.
Election integrity is very big, especially among Republicans, although it should be equally.
It's crazy, yeah.
It should be.
Because, you know, I've long said if we don't have free and fair elections, then nobody's vote truly counts, right?
It's more of a selection than an election.
Right here in New Hampshire, There was a number of problems in this very town, Wyndham, New Hampshire.
They had a recount.
They had their voting machines audited.
And here we are all these years later, and there's still issues.
So, as someone who's on the ballot here in New Hampshire, like, how do you feel about the current state of affairs with New Hampshire's elections and then just the overall problems with election integrity as we head into the midterm?
Well, I think every vote is sacred.
So, let's start with that.
And I believe that anyone who's out, Eligible to vote, we should get them out to vote no matter how we can do it.
If it's a senior who needs a ride, then gosh, let's do it.
I do it.
We drive people to the polls.
And at the polls, the key for someone like me running is we have a stable of attorneys ready to go at the polling places that traditionally may be difficult.
Is it Wyndham this time again?
I don't know.
But we also have poll watchers who can see what's going on, shenanigans.
And the good news is the legislature and the governor signed it is that now students need.
Government IDs.
They can't use a student ID.
And they really should be voting in their home, not here.
And if they're voting here, then they should become permanent residents and not get the financial aid from their states.
So New Hampshire residents should vote.
And I encourage everyone to get out and vote.
But what we do is we have attorneys and we have poll watchers.
And there are many, many citizen groups on the right side, as a Republican group or libertarians and others who are very concerned.
And they are making efforts to hold.
Our elected election officials accountable, and I think that's a good thing.
What's the problem?
Sorry if we made you uncomfortable.
Sorry if you had to hand count it, but I've run special elections.
I won an election by 383 votes out of like.
200,000?
You don't think every vote counted?
So, but we had poll watches, we had attorneys, and we felt confident that everything was okay.
So, what is your position on the voting machines?
Like, both here in New Hampshire and then there's other machines used nationwide.
I know at one point in time, even Democrats spoke out against the machines.
Now it seems like there's more Republicans speaking out.
What is your take on?
Listen, I believe in a paper ballot.
I want to be able to touch it, feel it, just like still, maybe call me old school.
I still read the newspaper.
I go online, but I like to go down and feel it.
I like to, you know, see what's going on.
Call me old fashioned.
But so if I believe if we're going to vote, I don't mind the machine, you're going into the machine, but I think we should have a paper ballot going into a machine.
And if there's any questions, we can still count the paper ballot.
The fact that you have it electronically, I mean, how many times have you been on your computer?
You know, you have, if you do a full essay, you know, you have all the questions for Pete Hegseth, right?
And all of a sudden it goes south and you can't find it.
Well, how is that any different than any type of.
Slot machine, voting machine, you know, other types of machines.
It has to be a backup.
And I want to make sure that we do it the right way and have paper backups.
Would you support recounts after every election?
I'm more, it depends.
You know, you're always entitled to a recount if it's within a certain percentage.
That's an automatic.
If somebody won by, you know, say the total amount of votes is 200,000 and someone won 150,000 to 50, I think it's a waste of time.
But if you're talking about within that small percentage, yeah, it's always appropriate.
You do have a legal mechanism for a recount.
But what there should be a mechanism where our election officials and our town moderators here in New Hampshire can go and spot check any place in their jurisdiction and say, I want to spot check this machine.
I want to see how many ballots we have, I want to see how many voters came through, and I want to see what the tally is.
Like, once again, the Secretary of State, if I'm not mistaken, or the people in Concord are saying, Oh, no, we can't do that.
My question is, why?
Like, why?
It eliminates all issues.
You know, if just that sample spot check, you know, in the military, we would go and spot check a barracks, we would go and spot check a vehicle or a weapon to make sure they were functioning properly.
Why can't we do it with these things?
Yeah.
Well, it's funny.
I actually remember I interviewed a guy one time who said in the military, his job was to go over to one of these countries you're in, and they liked Transported the ballots because it was like the lifeblood of democracy.
It was like making sure those ballots were protected and the elections secured.
But it just feels like here in America, I mean, some of our elections have been like third world country style stuff.
I mean, it's just.
I just think we're lucky to live in New Hampshire.
We are.
And we have people that really focus on this as evidenced by the legislature and what they did with the students.
Yeah.
For sure.
I mean, and shout out Tom Murray and Ken Eyring of Government Integrity Project because they've held the Windomtown officials accountable for years.
So it's a lot of citizen.
Yeah, not to interrupt, but that's what I was talking about.
We have citizen groups.
Yeah, they were.
Yeah, absolutely.
For sure.
Okay.
So, like, switching gears again, we're going to talk about health care.
You know, health care is a big one for people.
There's a lot of, I guess, opinions on how the government should get involved, if any.
So, what is your position on the current status of health care in America?
And what changes would you make?
Well, you remember when I ran in Massachusetts, the big issue was Obamacare.
Yes.
And I was the 41st vote, and I was going to stop Obamacare because I knew it wasn't affordable.
I knew you couldn't keep your doctor, and I knew that it was going to be what it is now, which is a mess.
It's not affordable.
It's a one size fits all, and quite frankly, families can't afford it.
They need to subsidize it.
That's why they shut down the government because they wanted more money for the system that's failing.
They passed it through reconciliation.
They weren't able to get a lot of the things they wanted.
And, you know, they've made no real effort to fix it.
But one of the costs and what we know for a fact is the administrative costs on many of these government plans and other plans, it's like 40 to 60 percent.
There's no transparency.
There's no ability for you to say, well, I want to go to this hospital or that hospital or this doctor or that doctor, and knowing what you're paying and why.
There's no incentive to save.
Like I'm a saver.
I've been saving since I was a kid.
Every quarter for, you know, delivering milk or doing this, I save it.
Well, if I'm going to a doctor and I can get a better deal, and that doctor is just as good as this doctor, I'm going to save money for the government, for me, and go to that doctor.
But there's no mechanism to do that.
The ability to get drugs across state lines, a competition for insurance plans across state lines.
I mean, there's a lot of things we can do.
This one size fits all, though, doesn't work.
And I thought that I would like to be part of that solution.
And everyone says, and they had a chance to get rid of it, but I think Senator McCain stopped that effort back in the day.
Well, what they say, what are you going to do in its place?
And that's a fair argument.
Like, what?
What's in place?
And I believe that competition will drive it.
And I, quite frankly, believe that the states can do it better than the federal government.
I always have.
So, what is your, I guess, what can be done about, let's say, some of these pharmaceutical companies that I know this is something President Trump shed a little light on, where you'd have a prescription in America costing $10,000, but you could get it for $1,000 over in a different country.
And the, the, Prescription would come from the exact same facility.
So, sort of the price gouging that is being, you know, put on the American consumer.
I mean, what can be done about that?
Well, first, it's a complicated issue.
I remember when I was a senator and even after kind of figuring it out.
So, a lot of the drugs that we're actually approving are from here.
So, the RD and other research that goes into creating that drug is higher in the beginning stage than it is for some, I'm not sure if this is, let's say, Ireland getting that drug, you know, because it's all done.
So they just need to buy the drug now.
So by, by the amount of drugs that are out there, they can get it at a bit better price.
And I, I don't want to misspeak, but I believe it's the favored nation status, uh, when it comes to drug pricage, which basically says that they get a certain price and we don't.
Well, what President Trump has done is negotiated and said, yeah, we're going to get it.
So drug prices have been coming down.
And he signed executive orders during his first term.
And when Biden, you know, jumped in, he reversed a lot of those things.
So drug prices went up again.
But, yeah, listen, there is a startup cost and there is an RD cost, and they should be compensated for that.
But once it's out there and once everything's all set, it's been approved, they're good, they're making their money, then I believe there should be a sliding slope.
Okay, they've made their money.
Now let's get it back.
They've researched it.
They've taken the chance.
These guys haven't taken any chances.
They're reaping the benefits.
So, is there some benefit or some reward for taking the chance and actually solving a problem?
I believe there is.
The question is how much and how long.
And, you know, there are certain patents and other things that give them protections.
But what President Trump did on this issue, I agree with, and I'm glad he did it.
It's lowering costs.
Now, another issue with healthcare that, you know, we lived through the COVID pandemic of 2020.
And one of the things as a journalist that I saw was the sort of suppression of, you know, early effective treatments, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and a lot of the media networks that took advertising dollars from pharmaceutical companies.
Refuse to shed light on some of these effective early preventative treatments.
And so, I guess my question for you is how do we, or what is your position on just sort of the pharmaceutical advertising dollars in the media?
Because I know many countries actually prohibit it that pharmaceutical companies can't advertise in the media.
And then the second question is just how do we control the pharmaceutical companies lobbying down in Washington?
Well, let's take the first question first.
RFK Jr. is already addressing a lot of those things.
He's bringing it up.
He's getting a better food pyramid for us.
He's trying to make sure that we eat healthier.
I think that's fantastic.
The Maha movement is real.
I support their efforts.
I have kids and grandchildren.
I'm a triathlete and very active, and I try to eat well.
I'm not saying I don't grab my occasional chocolate bar, but I'd rather grab, quite frankly, five or six tangerines or a thing of watermelon.
That being said, yeah, it's a problem in terms of.
Uh, that advertising my wife and I the other day, we were just watching something on TV, not Netflix or you know anything like that.
But there were like five drug commercials on, and we kind of laugh, Well, you can fix this and fix that, but and then at the end, but if you'll die of cancer, you'll have skin, your hair will fall out, you'll have an ulcer, and they go on and on and on.
And I'm like, Okay, really?
So, but in half the time, it's for a drug you don't even need, and so somebody had can't even pronounce, yeah, that.
And somebody had suggested that the reason.
That they advertise some of these drugs isn't necessarily so that you can learn about a drug that you don't need.
It's so that they can buy the silence of the media networks when something with their drugs goes wrong.
Hey, money talks.
You know, listen, you see it in politics.
You know, the more money you spend, the less airtime the other guy gets.
I've seen it, I've been part of it on both sides.
But I think more importantly, your other topic is the lobbying.
Sadly, it's part of DC and it's up to the individual.
I mean, the Heart Association is a lobbying group.
You know, the Lung Association is a lobbying group.
The Diabetes Association is like, they're all lobbyists.
And my policy when I was a senator is like, we'll meet with them.
You know, we'll meet with them and you give us all your information.
We'll ask questions just like you and I are doing.
Then I'll get my crack team that I hired to actually tell me what's fact and what's fiction.
That's the difference between me and I think, you know, quite frankly, the guy I'm running against, both guys I'm running against, is I actually like read the stuff.
As an attorney, I can read.
I understand it.
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And then we'll make our own decisions.
For example, you know, when there was an issue on an artificial pancreas, you know, you lose your pancreas, you know, you have a pancreas, it's a problem.
So I supported, you know, I thought it was a great idea.
And we did our research.
And, you know, when I was there, I made the effort for.
Artificial, I think it was pancreas and maybe artificial kidney, you know, these types of new age situations.
I mean, I just had my knee replaced two weeks ago.
I mean, I have titanium and things in my leg that I'm like, how did that come from?
So while I'm in favor of our innovation because we are the most innovative, creative country in the world, smartest people, I believe, in the world, we need to have those safeguards.
And that comes from the individual elected officials.
You know, instead of being, you know, you saw the hearings when RFK Jr., And he pointed out about Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
Well, Senator Sanders, you're the number one person.
No, I am, you know.
Yeah, he is.
You know, so it's kind of hypocritical.
We tried to be very selective on who we supported and how.
And that's the thing that you need to do, unless they do an outright bar.
And I don't know if that can ever happen.
Would you support, because one of the other big, you know, sort of maha things prior to even RFK Jr. getting in there, Senator Ron Johnson did these COVID panels where they, you know, once the vaccines were being rolled out, There were some adverse reactions, and there's like a VARS reporting system where doctors can submit stuff.
But one thing that was brought to my attention was that vaccine manufacturers actually are protected and shielded from liability.
So, is that something as a member of Congress you would support removing those liability protections, creating an environment where, you know, like if you and I take other medications and something happens, you see those commercials too.
Did you take this and get this disease?
Call us and we'll sue and get lots of money.
So, Other drugs are not shielded from that liability.
So, why are vaccines and would you support removing that liability?
It's a question that somebody asked me a couple of weeks ago at a forum we had, an event that I was at.
And first of all, let's talk about the vaccine.
I thought mandating and telling people that you need to take it or you lose your job or you get kicked out of the military was wrong.
And that's been righted by Secretary Hegzeth and allowing people to come back.
We had these amazing trained military people, and you said no, nurses, no.
And there have been cases, if I'm not mistaken, where they've actually won lawsuits as a result of that improper violation of their rights.
And I thought.
Unlike many of our drugs, polio and others, that this one was rushed.
Now, it was rushed because there was a pandemic and people were trying to do the right thing.
I'll give them that.
But then don't say, when I say, I don't trust it, I don't want to take it, there's not enough information, it hasn't been properly tested.
And I know some people that have died, or I know people that have died, and I know people that are injured right now as a result of what you were talking about.
So there are adverse reactions.
I want to be given a choice.
You know what I mean?
This is New Hampshire live free or die.
I want a choice.
I want to be able to make that decision on my own.
And I shouldn't be fired.
I shouldn't be harassed.
I shouldn't be cajoled or anything.
Now, with regard to that issue, that is a legal issue.
And it's something since that's been asked and you've asked it again, I want to see what, in fact, the case is.
Is it an absolute no lie?
What would the purpose be for.
Well, they're protecting these drug companies because they rushed it, potentially.
But I believe it's for all vaccines.
I don't know.
That's why I'm saying I don't know that information.
Do you think there should be liability?
I have.
To do my research as a lawyer and as somebody who would be making that decision, I'm the kind of guy that actually I don't just like make shit up.
You know, I'm going to find out the facts and I'm going to learn about it and then make a logical decision.
Fair enough.
All right.
So, obviously, you didn't support the lockdowns and things like that.
Well, I was in New Zealand.
I was in New Zealand.
We didn't have a lockdown.
I was the only embassy in the world that had a Fourth of July party.
And I understand the social distancing, I understand the The cleaning of hands, you know, wearing a mask, whether it helps 1%, 5%, I get all that.
And first of all, this hopefully is a once in a century or once in a lifetime situation where we had something like this happen.
Shame on the Chinese for creating this mess, okay, and not coming out right away and telling us so we could all be ready.
But not for them getting this out of Wuhan, we would actually not be in this situation.
We learned a lot from it.
The social distancing, the masks, you know, whether you like them or not, I think every little bit helps because everyone's trying to just do their very, very best.
Where I draw the line, though, is that when we can't go to church and we can't social distance in a parking lot, we have to shut down all the grocery stores except one.
In New Zealand, they shut down all the grocery stores except one chain.
And they didn't even open up the hardware stores so you could be in your yard, working in your yard or painting your house, stay in your house.
Whitmer, Whitmer, and you can't mow your lawn.
What?
Like, you can't golf.
I actually worked to try to get all the triathlons open because we're out in the open.
We're not making out while we're swimming or biking.
And I was able to do that successfully and help in that regard.
So, everyone, I think, was trying to do the right thing.
I think they went overboard and taken away our rights.
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I couldn't agree more.
Here we are, 250 years later, after our founding fathers fought for freedom and gave birth to this amazing country, it felt like it was almost surreal to think that we had a government that was then telling us, your job is not essential, when if you feed your family, of course it's essential.
Everyone's job is essential.
So, 250 years later, here we are.
There are a lot of problems within our own government.
And we're going to hit this topic because a lot of people that I've spoken with, even, you know, Kash Patel, Secretary Hegseth, a lot of our own agency leaders are saying there are problems within those agencies.
Corruption, we've heard the term the deep state.
There's investigations into the January 6th, you know, the insurrection there, the Capitol bomber.
I mean, the list goes on of like who knew what and how big is the problem within our own government.
So I'm just curious.
What is your position on the corruption within the United States government?
Are there areas that we need to work on?
Well, let's start locally, like right here in our state.
Yeah.
Okay.
You look at places like Claremont, when they're running a $4 million plus deficit on their school budget, no one knows, no one told, there's a lot of misleading or lying or hiding, whatever is happening.
Well, who's on the hook?
The citizens are.
You know, we have to now.
We collectively, potentially the state and the locals, they have to borrow the money, they have to raise their taxes.
So, is that a form of correction that should be looked at?
Absolutely.
Of course, it is.
But I think.
Hold on, I'm going to start locally.
Yes.
Okay, because everything is local.
Yeah.
And we have to fix locally.
So, start locally.
We have to fix where the corruption is here.
Then the next thing is okay, what are we dealing with statewide?
Are there agencies or others in our state that are corrupt?
And when you say corrupt, I think of financially corrupt.
Are they financially corrupt or are they abusing people's rights?
I feel pretty good about where we're at.
I think we have a great legislature.
I think Sharon Carson, our president, and Sherm are doing a great job.
And I think the governor and the executive council, I think we're good.
But what you're talking about is the federal government, the corruption that Elon was trying to deal with, the mismanagement, the fraud, the waste and the abuse.
Something I feel.
It's also like the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, going after journalists like Project Veritas.
And the president is working on it, and he's hired people to get to the bottom of it.
And it's so big and voluminous.
And he's doing so much every day, it's almost like you need another army of people to help.
But that being said, if you look at some of the budgetary things we're seeing in California, Minnesota, Boston with the EBT cards, the fraud in the daycare centers, to me, that's the number one issue.
It's the financial waste of our tax money that's going to these people.
Because in California, Gavin Newsom, he's the governor.
And so he gives out money to the unions, right?
And then the unions go and give the money back to him.
And then they give it out to these corrupt people and these licenses and all these other stuff, issuing all these licenses to these fake daycare or other places that aren't doing their jobs.
And then he says, well, we're doing the best we can or we're doing it.
No, he's not.
Because it's hundreds of millions of dollars potentially.
So I wholeheartedly support getting to the bottom of that.
Now, Chris Pappas, and every member of our delegation, There's not one thing that they think is wrong with our federal government that they want to go in and fix.
Because when the president was saying, well, we found this, we found this, we found this, we're doing this, we're doing that, all they did is complain and bitch and moan and say, no, no, no, everything's great, great, great, and it's not.
There shouldn't be one illegal on any subsidies.
There should be one person who doesn't deserve it getting any of our benefits.
What is the problem with that?
So, the House Oversight Committee tends to do, has a number of different investigations that they're doing, everything from Epstein to I think the COVID Wuhan stuff.
I mean, the list goes on.
What are some areas of investigation that you think our government would be poised to look into?
The biggest thing for me is the money.
Because right now, when I was down there, it was $9 trillion national debt.
It's almost $40 trillion.
We don't have a balanced budget right now.
We're running a deficit.
So, is it potentially like maybe a good idea that we can find the waste and abuse and the fraud?
Because we do it in our homes.
This business right here that we're in, they do it to make sure their books are good, right?
Every business I know does it.
Balances, yeah.
They balance it.
They look for fraud.
Is somebody skimming?
You go into a bar.
Why do you think the cameras are all around the bars?
You get the waiters and waitresses potentially skimming.
One for me, two for you, one for me.
So, yeah, listen, it's a trust but verify thing.
I think the biggest thing for me and the committee I want to get on is a committee can go and find the money.
Where's the money?
Show me the money.
Well, a lot of the money is tied up with our military right now.
So, our final topic I want to hit here during this interview is just the foreign policy that we're currently in Iran.
We have a lot going on over there.
There's issues with the Strait of Hormuz and getting that open.
What is your take as someone who also serves?
What is your take on the situation in Iran?
Do you see an off ramp anywhere, and how does this all come to a resolution?
Well, sure, of course.
I've been to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Dubai, Jordan, Kuwait, Kazakhstan.
As a senator, I worked with many of those ambassadors.
As an ambassador, I worked with those ambassadors all the time.
It's an amazingly historic and rich area that needs to thrive and can thrive and be an amazing part of the world.
But the big bully in the region, Iran, has always been the one destabilizing it by.
Supporting Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis, exporting terrorism around the region and the world.
For 47 years, they've been bullying us after they took over our embassy, skinned alive CIA head, killed our Marines, killed many people through IED, supporting and exporting these devices around Afghanistan and other, killing our citizens, killing our friends and our allies and other countries' people.
And it's no mystery that when the you know what hit the fan, they had pre planned rockets and missiles to their allies and friends going this way.
Not to us necessarily, but to all these people that had nothing to do with it.
It was us and them.
But it just shows their mentality.
They want to destabilize the region.
And at what point, my question is, when do you stop it?
Like, is 47 years long enough?
Because they said when they came into negotiations after we blew up the nuclear facility, by the way, we have enough nuclear material to make 11 nuclear bombs.
So, what does the end goal then look like?
I want people to understand that history.
There's a history there.
Now, I support what the president did by bombing those nuclear facilities and keeping it underground.
Operation Midnight Hammer.
I support it 100%.
I thought it was brilliant.
Then I support what he's doing by eliminating the threat, destabilizing that region, that country, and making sure they can't fight back or hurt anybody in that region anymore.
Drying them up in terms of the financial ability to export that money to other bad actors.
I support him closing the strait right now and making sure Iran cannot have any finances so they will come to the table because he gave them the olive branch.
The olive branch is for them to come and say, no, nuclear weapons, we'll open up the strait, we'll be good neighbors, and let's go and live happily after ever.
They're not going to do that.
Where I differ, then I think with John and Chris doesn't want anything.
He's like, oh, just let them keep doing what I do.
What they're doing, they would have had a nuclear weapon very quickly.
That's not the answer.
I believe if we're going to put 50,000 people on the ground, however, for an Iran Afghanistan type of situation, sorry, Iraq Afghanistan situation, he needs to come to Congress, get a declaration of war, which I would support if I were there because I think it's the appropriate thing to do.
But the American people need to be behind it.
So I think he's doing the right thing because I guess the real answer is our allies are sucking at this.
Our allies are not helping us.
They should be there.
Singapore, Japan, South Korea, they need this oil more than we do.
China, Russia, I'm sorry, China, China, they should be like saying, Yeah, dude, open up.
What are you doing?
And they're not.
And the president holds all the cards.
I commend them for doing it.
And I believe the off ramp is that, you know, they're either going to do it or not.
It's either a regime change or they're going to agree or we're going to squeeze them till there is a regime change.
Yeah, because we had, you know, four years of no new wars under his first term.
So I think for a lot of Americans that I've been talking to, a lot of them thought that's what we were going to have.
And so there has been, from what I noticed, disappointment.
There's disappointment.
There's also a divide amongst Republicans.
And this is the elephant in the room that a lot of people don't want to talk about.
I just want to get your take on it.
There's a lot of people that I, everyone unanimously loves our military, supports our military.
The divide that I've seen, both working at the Pentagon and in just Republican circles, is whether or not we should be working alongside Israel.
And so there are some, you've heard Tucker Carlson come out, Joe Kent, the Former director of the National Counterterrorism Center said he believed Israelis were misleading the president on whether or not Iran was an imminent threat.
So, I guess my question for you is just what is your take on the U.S. relationship with Israel?
Because some people believe Israel is driving the situation with Iran, while other people believe President Trump is driving.
So, just share your thoughts on that.
I think President Trump is fully briefed by people who know more than you and me or any of those people that you're referencing.
He's been fully briefed.
He has a great team around him that gives him that information.
And I think what they're leaving out is we also have the Arabs who are also working with the Israelis now.
You know, the Arab countries in that they're flying and doing things side by side with us and others because they recognize that this is too big to bicker about what country you're from.
Yeah, because a lot of other countries are sort of getting involved.
They're all pretty much helping in that region.
The problem is France.
Spain not letting us use a base to refuel.
I mean, there will be a payback, and I support that payback.
If they're going to be part of NATO, listen, we're doing something to neutralize a big bully who basically has been terrorizing the world.
My question I don't disagree with those people.
That's why I'm different.
I'm saying that if we're going to go boots on the ground, not to rescue a pilot, but actually have a long term operation, that's when you need to get a declaration of war.
Well, final question here is just what separates you from your opponent going into this?
Race and why should people vote for Scott Brown?
Well, they can go to scottbrown.com and learn more, but listen, they don't have any military experience, whether it's Sean or Chris.
They may talk a big game, but I served for almost 40 years on Homeland Security, Armed Services, Veterans, and Small Business.
I'm the only person in this race that has any ambassadorial experience, almost four years dealing with ambassadors, doing trade deals, dealing with tragedies, the Christchurch Massacre, and others.
I'm the only person as a grandfather who's, and I'm the only person who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
I wasn't born on third base and thought I got a triple.
I started from nothing, nothing, and I'm a scrapper.
And I'm not going to have DC or anybody else say, oh, you know, let John do it or let Chris do it.
No, this is the people's seat.
New Hampshire deserves to have primaries.
They deserve to have debates.
And I'm challenging John right now to come on your show and we'll have a forum.
I would love to have a forum.
Forum is he's not going to show up because he's going to do the Biden thing.
He's going to hide.
And, you know, listen, he worked for the World Economic Forum.
So people say he's a globalist.
He bailed out the big banks.
And then he worked for the very same banks that he bailed out.
They say, you know, that's not right.
So, where was he for the last 20 years since he got crushed by Gene?
He's been out making a shit ton of money for entities basically that he helped out when he was a senator.
So, that's the difference.
Well, John, if you're watching, invitation to come on the show.
I would be happy to moderate a debate between you two.
I've moderated congressional debates right here in New Hampshire before.
So, Scott Brown, thank you so much for joining us.