The Mike Lindell Show with Heather Mullins - 02.13.26
Heather Mullins and John Conrad examine the USS Truxton collision (02.13.26), blaming human error, mechanical failures, or rust removal delays amid overloaded U.S. shipyards—just 11 active yards vs. China’s 50% global dominance. The delayed 36-page U.S. maritime plan aims to expand MARAD and recruit workers but faces cultural gaps, labor shortages, and Navy design chaos (16,000 change orders for the Ford-class carrier). Meanwhile, DHS funding stalls as Democrats weaponize shutdowns, with ICE fully operational but Coast Guard/FEMA at risk. Mullins pushes the SAVE Act—voter ID, citizenship checks—to counter election fraud, citing Maine’s 100,000 unvetted registrations and Arizona’s shredded ballots despite 74K unexplained mail-in votes, while urging calls to Susan Collins (202-224-2523) to secure her support. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm Heather Mullins, guest hosting for Michael and Dell today.
I wish I could say it was a happy Friday, but we got some sad news right off the top of the show today.
Unfortunately, a headline reads, U.S. Marine had actually passed, has been declared dead after a search following a fall from the USS Iwo Jima.
And I wanted to report on this and pay tribute to him and ask you all to pray for his family.
We have a photo of Lance Corporal.
It's Chuckwumeka Ephora.
It's difficult to pronounce, but he passed away.
So if you guys could all just say a prayer for his family and the fellow Marines that served alongside him today, just a devastating loss anytime we lose one of our servicemen and women.
And an investigation into his death is ongoing.
We will report on the findings of that next week.
But moving on to another issue in the Caribbean there, two U.S. Navy ships actually collided, leaving two sailors injured.
Joining me now is my fellow Pentagon correspondent and a U.S. Merchant Marine and a ship captain, John Conrad.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
So as soon as I saw this, John, I was like, I got to get John on because the first thing that went through my head when I saw the ship collision is how?
How on earth did two U.S. naval ships, huge ships in the middle of the ocean, collide?
So what can you tell us as someone who's captained relatively large ships like that?
I think first we have to say how does a major collision happen like that and no one gets significantly injured or dies because it was a pretty bad collision at sea and that very sad falling overboard of the Iwo Jima certainly could have happened in this collision.
And especially when the two ships come together like that, someone falls over, that could be catastrophic and lethal.
But as far as how it happened, most ships go into port to get fuel and supplies, you know, replenish that ship.
The Navy, because we don't have enough destroyers, we don't have enough aircraft carriers, they send the port out to the ships in an evolution called underway replenishment.
So, this UN, the United States Naval Ship Supply, USNS Supply, is one of these logistics ships that goes out there.
This one is unique because it has both fuel and food and ammunition all on board the same ship.
And it comes alongside the destroyers and they put a hose across and they can transfer that fuel that the destroyers need, as well as the ammunition and supplies.
But the problem with that is it's extremely dangerous.
The ships have to maintain course and speed, and they have these tension systems to hold the hoses in place.
And you have to maintain a very, you know, match each other's speed, match each other's course, which can be difficult to do in inclement weather.
The weather wasn't too bad.
It was, you know, there were light to moderate seas at the time.
But anytime you have two ships that are that close moving underway, tied together, and making this even more difficult, they were doing two underweight replenishments at a time.
So there was the USS Truxton on one side, and on the other side of the resupply ship was the USS Gettysburg.
So normally, when one ship has a malfunction like that, the US NS Supply could match its set of speed and maneuver away from that destroyer.
But in this case, it had to maintain its heading because if it had followed that course and speed adjustment, it would have smashed into the ship on the other side of it.
For sure.
And we actually have footage of the collision itself has somehow gotten released.
I'm unclear of how the footage got out, but let's take a listen to this and then I'll get your thoughts on the other side.
So watching that, I mean, to your point earlier, it's amazing that nobody else got more severely injured or fell overboard because that one boat when it hit almost looked like it was going to, you know, tip completely over.
Well, the big question is: why did it make that sudden turn?
And you hear it sounding the danger signal.
So that's the five short blasts.
And it seems like they held on to the last one pretty long.
But there was some major failure that they could not account for on that destroyer.
So we don't know what it was.
It could have been a human error.
It could have been a stuck rudder, a stuck systems, or these destroyers have two propellers.
So if one's going full ahead and the other kicks into stern or even stops, it could turn that way.
We'll have to wait for the report to find out.
But when you have a major failure like that while you're doing underway replenishment, you know, it's very similar.
Instead of going to a gas station, you're traveling down the highway at 60 miles an hour and pull in the hose from a gasoline tanker.
That's what they're trying to do here.
You can imagine if you had a steering failure on the highway while trying to do that, you'd probably have a collision.
Yeah, and we actually have some pictures of the damage done to the side of one of those ships there.
Now, how much is something like that?
Like, how long is that ship now going to be out?
Because as we talked last time you were on the show, you know, there's only so many dry docks and stuff for building the ships.
Is there enough, you know, places to go and do repairs on ships like these?
Or do you need those same dry docks that are currently full of the naval ships that the president's trying to have built?
Right.
We have a massive overload of our repair shipyards.
And as you can see from the picture, there's a lot of rust on those ships.
Trump has made it very clear over a year ago he wants the rust off the Navy ships.
And we still haven't gotten to the point a year in.
They're looking better.
They're looking a lot better than they were, but we haven't gotten there.
And that's because these repair yards are overloaded.
Now, the damage is not too bad.
We had an aircraft carrier get damaged in an approach to the Suez Canal last year.
And they did temporary repairs before it came back to the United States for bigger repairs.
The question is, I have seen bigger damage in Korea, where the entire yard comes together, cuts out that steel.
You get a couple thousand guys in there to put a new section on.
The one I witnessed was done in a weekend.
But because we don't have thousands of extra shipyard workers, because we don't have the available dry docks, you know, this could take weeks up to potentially months to fix.
The one good thing, I guess, out of today is that the president has finally put out a U.S. maritime plan.
So that's good news for you.
I mean, you're telling me before the show you've been waiting for a year for this.
Can you give us, you know, it's hot off the press.
Give us the short version of what's actually in this maritime plan.
Literally, hot off the press.
It came out an hour and a half ago.
It's still warm off my printer.
So when Trump came in, he made very clear that shipbuilding was a national priority, a priority of the White House.
And he put together a maritime office at the National Security Council.
Now, that office was downsized as the NSC was downsized.
But some of those people went over to Russ Voigt office at OMB and they developed executive order.
It was a comprehensive executive order last April.
And it said the first action item in the executive order was you need a comprehensive plan in 210 days.
I'm not sure why they picked that.
That was November.
So we've been waiting since November for this action plan.
And today it finally came out.
It's 30-something pages, I believe, 36 pages.
And it's pretty dense material.
Yeah.
So what are the big takeaways?
I know you've only had about an hour and a half to actually go through it, but just off the surface, what are some of the big takeaways that you've noticed?
Well, the biggest takeaway is for the first time, we're really acknowledging how bad the situation is, how far ahead China is.
It says right here, we only have 11 shipyards with build positions, 22 repair yards, as we talked about, and 25 topside repair yards.
So we don't have the capacity.
We have building less than 1% of the tonnage worldwide, and China's approaching 50%.
It doesn't go deep into China.
It mentions it a few times, but it very much states that we are in deep trouble here.
It states that sea power, shipbuilding, the merchant marine is an integral part of the national security and our position in the world trade, you know, trade globally.
Over 90% of everything moved worldwide is on board ships, and we build less than 1% of it.
So that's the first takeaway.
It's a real hard, honest look at the deficiencies where previous administrations have kind of glossed over and said it's not too bad.
And you had strings of admirals for years telling Congress, hey, it's okay that we don't have shipyards because our allies do.
Well, this lays out that our allies are in trouble too, as China is really stealing market share from them as well, and really makes a comprehensive plan for not only rebuilding American shipyard,
but inviting our allies, specifically mentioning Korea and Japan, to invest in America, invest in our shipyards, and bring in AI technology and the better way of doing things that they have overseas to help invigorate America's maritime industry.
Yeah.
And so explain the like sort of the global arena right now, because it is.
It is like a global operation and it allows us to distribute all over the world.
And we're seeing President Trump sort of eyeball strategic locations for bases and things.
Greenland, for example, the Diego Garcia base over there with the Chagos Islands.
So what is the global atmosphere right now when it comes to the U.S.'s ability to ship things globally?
Like where are the key points that we should be eyeballing, like threats, I guess you would say?
And then what are the globalists themselves sort of doing?
How are they reacting to some of the president's recent changes?
Well, quite frankly, their heads are absolutely exploding.
We saw last year when Trump announced on Liberation Day tariffs.
Every one of the globalists and every mainstream media outlet was absolutely losing their mind.
They said the tariffs would destroy the economy, that we would go into immediate not only recession, but depression.
They were talking about how tariffs in the 20s led to the Great Depression.
I mean, it was really chicken lit all the skies falling down.
And now, many, many months after Liberation Day, the economy, we still have problems, but it's doing okay.
We have not seen this massive inflation that these globalist economists have set.
The globalists also tried putting, you know, Trump took away a lot of this seeker money from USAID, which was funding all these DEI initiatives.
The globalists tried through the UN to tax all ships with this carbon tax that was going to create a slush fund to fund all these globalist agenda.
Trump and Mike Waltz at the UN put a hard stop on this.
And then you had USTR.
Maritime Expertise and Industry Dominance00:12:47
So they said they are going to tariff certain types of ships, including Chinese vessels coming in.
And again, their minds exploded.
You know, they've really come to say that if any of these things that Trump did a year ago were going to put into place, it would absolutely destroy America's place in the world.
And we just haven't seen that.
We still have some struggles in the economy, but these predictions have not come true.
And how long do you think it would take realistically to, if President Trump made all the right decisions and had all the resources necessary, how long do you think it would take to put America in a position where we do have global dominance when it comes to the shipping industry?
Well, it's going to be almost impossible to get up to match China's global dominance.
And it's, you know, everywhere you look in the maritime sector, China is ahead.
The ownership of ports.
You talked about Greenland and Diego Garcia.
Well, they're looking at Diego Garcia, Panama Canal, their two Chinese-operated ports.
That's back in the news headline now.
Shipbuilding, they have the largest shipping line or third largest, Costco.
They have over 5,000 ships.
We only have a couple hundred.
They are dominating finances, paying for these ships, banks.
A lot of that money is coming from Wall Street, which Trump is trying to end.
This comprehensive plan is 36 pages that goes everywhere from shipyard workers to the U.S. Merchant Marine to cutting ourselves off from this IMO UN STCW watch requirements.
There's so much in this plan.
The question really is: historically, at the DOT, this was maintained by the Maritime Administration MARAD.
Well, these globalists and the globalist UNIPA in Congress has really willowed down that agency.
So it's a sister agency of FAA.
They do the same things, but the FAA has over 40,000 people.
The Maritime Administration has less than 800, and half of them work at the Merchant Marine Academy in Long Island, which is Federal Service Academy, which this maritime action plan says is absolutely falling apart.
So you really don't have the people.
They're 20 years behind on a ship building review.
They're behind on every single metric you can think of.
So the question is in this plan, a calls for the other cabinet departments, Department of War, certainly, they're already full steam ahead, but also commerce, state, National Security Council, Treasury, all of these DHS has a big role.
The question is, because the maritime administration is so small and it calls for expanding this maritime administration while significantly cutting back these other huge agencies like Navy's NAPC, but can these other secretaries pull up the slack?
There's a lot to do in here, and it's already delayed past when it was supposed to be released.
Can all of this be accomplished in the next year?
That's what I'm most hesitant about.
We have a large amount of money in this country.
We can bring in more money with tariffs.
And there's a plan in here that's going to charge, I think, between 10 cents and a quarter per kilogram of imports, could bring in between 66 billion and 1.5 trillion in revenue to pay for all of this.
But we already have a lot of money.
We have a lot of expertise.
We have smart people.
We have an administration that is capable of doing grand things.
The question is, we don't have those things in the maritime industry.
Can we pull this industry up by the bootstraps?
You know, when we sell Boeing sells airplanes, you have State Department representatives, commerce, treasury, all helping to sell airplanes.
Can we do that for maritime?
And what's the interest in an administration that is very interested in cutting back the headcount for good reasons?
Because most of these agencies have bloat.
What is going to be the appetite among the cabinet secretaries to increase their maritime department to really help start knocking out these goals?
And we have a, you know, we have a abundance of smart, talented people, money, regulatory.
What we don't have is an abundance of time and how quickly we can, you know, get through these 36 pages, that's what I'm most skeptical about.
Oh, it's funny you mentioned that because just, I believe it was this morning, Secretary Hegseth put out a video saying that he was rolling out a new program called Bond, which is the Business Operators for National Defense.
And essentially, it's basically, I guess, going to be sort of like this group of 250 industry experts from the private sector, I guess, to try to help expedite things like what you're talking about right now.
Like, how do we scale to be able to get through those 35, 36, 37 pages and actually make that a reality?
Like, what can you tell?
Like, do you think that bond program is going to help the maritime action plan?
I think it's an amazing plan, the bond program.
You know, the United States fallen behind in manufacturing and in a lot of areas, but the three areas globally that we still dominate are technology, aerospace, so Boeing and the airplane manufacturing and agriculture.
Inside those industries are great leaders of these great companies that can come in and help the War Department.
The problem with maritime is we don't have any great companies left.
Even the companies that we do have, MERSC is the biggest company.
That's a Danish company, and they're angry at us about Greenland.
So if we lose MERS, are we going to bring in a foreigner?
All these shipping companies that are owned, even our shipyards, even our naval shipyards, one's owned by Italian company, Ficantieri, Austil is owned by an Australian company, because we just don't have that high-level expertise in this industry.
So that's a big open question.
Where are we going to find these people?
I'd be excited to volunteer myself, but those of us with expertise are pretty busy right now.
I was just thinking at the end of the video, it's like, if you know someone that would be good for this, and I'm like sitting here thinking, John, you would be a good person for them to add to that bond roster.
So is the solution to sort of the deficiencies that we have in the maritime industry to do things like obviously invest in American companies that specialize in those things if they exist?
And then two, you know, we have all of those mass maritime academy type schools and stuff like that.
Do we need to get more recruitment to those sort of academies and things like that?
I know like Hegseth is swearing in recruits all over the country for the military branches, but should we really be trying to push and encouraging more young men and women even too to go to some of these maritime academies?
Absolutely.
There's five state academies, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, California, Texas.
There's a smaller one in the Great Lakes, and then you have the Federal Service Academy, which is completely free in Long Island.
So people have to know about that.
But that's just the officer level.
You also need all of the enlisted sailors.
We call them unlicensed.
You know, we have to do a better job of all the people leaving the Navy and even other branches like the Army recruiting those people in because the pay is really good.
And you get six months vacation off the ship.
There are advantages, but we have to raise that bar.
We also, you know, pay has been stagnant for 20 years.
These are highly unionized.
There are multiple unions per category.
So you have the unions fighting each other and taxes are incredibly high.
We're one of the only few countries that taxes merchant mariners who are out in the ocean, not using the services.
So that's one thing that's brought up in the maritime action plan, investment in those schools, investment in that military to mariner program, and an elimination of taxes, at least when you're not in the country because you're not using services.
So if we can execute this, I think it's going to solve a lot of problems.
But you also have much larger problems in our shipyards.
You know, how are we going to, where these shipyards are competing, that's the big question right now.
Some of the naval shipyards are fighting this action plan because they're saying if you increase pay and provide all these opportunities for our merchant marine commercial ships, is that going to steal shipyard workers away from our submarines or destroyers?
There are a lot of open questions now, and some of those questions are not answered by the plan.
Oh, I never really thought about that because, yeah, to your point, like if we have a lack of bodies and a lack of people in the industry, that could pose a problem.
So perhaps maybe just sort of a timeline of like the rolling out of it, right?
Like how long does it take to train up people in these industries?
Well, for a Navy ship, these submarines, it could take up to eight years, which is a big problem.
And especially if one of those trained, you and I went with Pete Hegseth to Newport News.
We toured a carrier and these submarines.
That takes eight years.
So they're worried they invest eight years in these guys and these guys leave for commercial shipyards.
But these commercial ships are not nearly as complicated.
They're not nuclear.
They don't have as much of the administrative bloat that the Navy has.
Korea does something instead of training someone to do everything, be an electrician, pipe fitter, and move around the shipyard, they're highly specialized.
So they may have a welder that only specializes in like a 45-degree angle.
And that's all he does.
And you can train up someone like that in a couple months.
The problem is twofold.
Americans, you know, get bored of doing the same thing for years, where Koreans and Japanese, they believe, you know, they become a master at something very small.
So there's a cultural problem there.
There's also a problem because the Navy does so many change orders on the Ford class carrier.
There were 16,000 change orders.
That carrier that we toured, they started building that 17 years ago.
And the reason it's been so delayed is they keep changing it.
Time you change something, you got to cut out huge sections of steel and bolt the changes on.
That takes time, and because things are slowed down, they have to move people between the electrical department and plumbing and these other departments.
So, you have to become a master of all these.
It says in the action plan: if we can really nail down those designs before we put in an order, maybe we can train these younger guys in more specialized thing and move the pipeline along.
Thank you so much for joining us today, John.
And where can people go to follow you?
You're on Twitter, you're the CEO of G-Captain.
So, if people want to read more about the shipping industry, I think you said before it was what, one of the largest papers or publications on commercial shipping.
Yes, we have fallen behind in every maritime segment, but we are number one in the United States in maritime news.
GCAP is most read in the entire world.
I'm very happy about that.
So, go to gcapin.com or I am John Conrad, spell with a K on X. All right.
Thank you so much, John.
Appreciate you coming on today.
Thank you for having me.
Save America Act Controversy00:14:27
And now we got to make sure that everything gets funded.
All the stuff that you just heard John talking about requires funding.
And joining us now to talk about whether or not our government's going to be funding all these different things is Allison Steinberg, our Capitol Hill correspondent.
Thank you for joining us, Allison.
Hi, Heather.
Good to see you.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, thanks for joining us.
So, what can you tell us?
What is the latest on sort of the funding, everything from DHS to all the other programs that Americans need and require here?
What is the latest?
Well, the government is fully funded in all areas through the end of the fiscal year, with the exception, of course, of the Department of Homeland Security, which Democrats and Republicans have been fighting over for the past couple of weeks, trying to reach an agreement.
The Democrats have this ridiculous list of demands where they are demanding that ICE no longer wear masks.
They want ICE to have IDs at all times, which is really ironic because they don't want IDs to vote, of course.
They want to end roving patrols.
They want to end racial profiling.
They basically want federal agents to act as state and local police, which obviously is not why they're being brought into these sanctuary cities, these blue cities and states.
So because Democrats are so hell-bent on getting their radical agenda appeased in this situation by trying ultimately, I think, to abolish ICE, I mean, they openly say this.
So that's what they're trying to move towards in the end here.
But because they didn't get this list of demands met by Republicans, now we are going to find ourselves in yet another partial government shutdown come Saturday.
Now, this is substantial because Congress is actually out for President's Day recess, which is not just a day, it's a whole week for them.
So both chambers of Congress will be out for the next week, meaning they won't reconvene to have these discussions to try to reach an agreement to fund DHS until the following week.
So what that means for the average American is now agencies like FEMA and the Coast Guard and TSA will not receive funding because they're also encapsulated in this DHS funding bill that hasn't been funded yet.
And unfortunately, they will have to go without paychecks yet again because Democrats would rather try to push along their radical agenda than work on behalf of the very people they are there here in DC to represent.
So, very upsetting on that front, Heather.
More Americans having to suffer at the hands of these radical Democrats who will literally continue to use us as leverage, as they have said in their own words, to get their agenda across here.
Yeah, for sure.
So, was the DHS funding like, cause obviously you just mentioned the rest of the government is funded for the end of the fiscal year.
Why did they remove DHS out of that?
Why not just fund it across the board?
Who was behind like separating, I guess, the funding for DHS from the rest of the government?
Well, it's typically voted on in these groups or packages.
This is something that they do annually every fiscal year.
But the absolute insanity in all of this, Heather, is the fact that ICE Border Patrol is all funded through the One Big Beautiful bill through the end of Trump's term.
We got a massive influx of money for DHS in the One Big Beautiful bill.
So, ICE is totally and fully funded regardless through the end of Trump's term.
What Democrats are doing is using this moment in time as leverage to try to stop other areas of the government from operating, like I mentioned, TSA, Coast Guard, FEMA, ultimately to try to, you know, carry out this radical list of demands that they have that they want to implement on ICE, ultimately trying to move towards, you know, abolishing ICE completely.
This is obviously the doing of Democrats, which is shocking because last I checked, Republicans hold all three areas of government right now.
We have the majority in the House, the Senate, and the White House.
So, the fact that Democrats still think they get to call the shots is just laughable.
And I think really should upset every American who's now having to suffer at the hands of these Democrats who will continue to push their radical agenda just regardless of how that impacts, you know, you and I, Heather.
So, it's very upsetting and something that I don't think is going to unfortunately get resolved in the near future here.
Yeah, well, not unless we get the SAVE Act passed so we can get rid of them all.
I mean, I feel like this is why the SAVE Act is so important, because if we want to see, you know, America-first policy, our first guest, John, was a U.S. Merchant Marine and he's all about revitalizing and building out American shipping.
If we can't get Congress to fund the things that we need as Americans in order for our country to prosper, then it's just going to continue to decline once President Trump leaves.
And so, I think that's why the administration has taken such a hard stance on prioritizing the election-related stuff.
I know there's a lot of talk about, you know, Epstein and like you could just name like a million and a half different areas that they could do things.
But with such a limited window, it really feels like the Trump administration is prioritizing securing our elections, which I think should be the number one priority as well.
We do have a clip from our own Kara Castranova who managed to get a question into Trump on the SAVE Act.
So, let's take a listen to that.
Voter ID polls very well nationally.
Even the majority of Democrat voters want it.
So, why do you think Senate Democrats are resisting the SAVE Act?
And what is your strategy and realistic pathway to getting the SAVE Act passed to ensure free and fair elections for the next generation?
It's such a great question.
I appreciate it, actually, because it's called the Save America Act.
We've changed your name.
It's the Save America Act, and the Democrats are against it.
I heard one of them say, we will stop the Save America Act.
No, we're trying to save America.
And it has to do with largely voting.
Basically, it's got three very simple points.
It's got voter ID, photo ID, but voter ID with a photo, right?
It's got the confirmation of U.S. citizenship.
You have to be a citizen.
So you have a vote.
You have an ID.
That's about a 99% one.
And I think 90% with Democrats.
Then you have confirmation U.S. citizenship.
That's about a 99 percent one with Republicans, about 86 percent with Democrats, except Democrat politicians because they cheat on elections.
And then you have no mail-in ballots.
And there would be no mail-in ballots.
Very important.
You know, we're the only country in the world that does a system like we do.
We're the only country in the world that has mail-in ballots.
The way we do this is unbelievable.
It guarantees cheating.
So it's no mail-in ballots with the exception of disability, illness, military, or if you're traveling, you can get an exemption.
You know, if you happen to be out of the country for a good reason, you can have an exemption.
So with exceptions, it's no mail-in ballots.
And that will assure the security of our crooked elections.
We have crooked elections.
Yeah.
It just seems like common sense.
It does seem like common sense.
And there's a lot more that we can be doing to make our elections secure, actually.
President Trump, I think maybe getting the Save America Act confused with another act that Republicans are going to try to push forward with after the Save America Act gets passed, hopefully, if and when, I should say.
That's a whole nother issue.
But he mentioned that it requires paper ballots.
That's actually not included in the Save America Act.
The Save America Act simply would require proof of registration.
I'm sorry, proof of citizenship to register to vote in elections and then a photo ID to actually physically go cast your vote at the booth.
So that's all the Save America Act entails.
It's very simple.
It's very common sense.
It's like a 90-10 issue.
Most people want this regardless of what end of the political spectrum they're on.
So it needs to get passed.
And that's where we come back to, will Senator Thune actually move forward with nuking the zombie filibuster so that we can actually bring this to the floor for an open debate?
We know that if we can get him to do that, then it will likely be passed and sent to the president's desk.
But he's ultimately holding this up at this point in time.
It's very unfortunate because as we just heard, President Trump is a huge proponent of this.
President Trump is doing what he can to try to secure our elections.
But until these measures are codified into law, then our elections are at great risk.
And to your earlier point, Heather, I don't think we have a country if we can't secure our elections.
So this is critical.
It is of the utmost importance.
I don't know of anything that's more important at this point in time.
So we need to keep the pressure on.
Once we get that passed, then we can look to the MEGA Act, which does include the single day hand-counted paper ballots.
So it takes it a step further.
So first step, order of business here is getting the Save America Act passed.
And it's my hope and my prayer that Senator Thune will actually bring it to the floor.
I did now have the opportunity, Heather, to talk to Susan Collins, who is one of the four Republican holdouts.
The Save America Act has the support of every Republican senator.
And I think John Fetterman's going to come to support it as well, the only Democrat.
But there are four Republican holdouts on the Save America Act.
That includes Senator Tom Tillis, Senator Mitch McConnell, Senators Lisa Rakowski, and Susan Collins.
So these are four key holdouts that we've got to try to swing the other way on this and support the Save America Act.
I did run into Susan Collins in the halls of the Senate just yesterday, and I asked her, really trying to put the pressure on.
I think she's received like thousands of phone calls since this video came out, but let's take a listen to what she said on that.
Now that the Save America Act has passed the House, can we count on you to support it in the Senate?
I'm looking at it.
The House made some significant changes.
For example, you would not have to prove citizenship every time you vote.
That's a good change.
It makes sense to have a requirement the first time when you register, but not every time.
I've long supported voter ID.
There's some issues on what are federal and what are state.
So I'm still the, this is a work in progress, but I've got to go to the health committee here.
Thank you.
So she's kind of promising.
Yeah, she could be convinced if she gets enough phone calls and we really keep the pressure on.
She could be the 50th senator to support this.
It's not 49 who support it now.
We just need 50.
And then Vice President JD Vance will come in and be the tiebreaker.
So we just need really one more at this point.
And that could be Susan Collins.
She could redeem herself for all of her terrible votes in the past and actually come around and help to quite literally save America this time.
So hopefully she does the right thing.
So if she votes and supports it, then Thune is sort of irrelevant at that point, correct?
I mean, it would still then be on him to bring it to the floor for a vote, but it would be absolutely stupid for him not to because we then, by default, have all votes needed, right?
So if he chooses not to bring it to the floor for a vote, that is certainly raises many eyebrows surrounding his decision to do that.
But I think he will.
I think, you know, from what I've heard, the questions I've asked him about the Save America Act, he does seem to sort of reluctantly support it.
It doesn't really seem to be a top priority for him, quite like it is for you and I.
But I think with enough pressure and all the pressure that has been put on him in the recent weeks here, he will end up doing the right thing.
Yeah, well, hopefully it passes.
What else do we have here?
I think there's something in here about Eric, the electronic registration information center.
Is that something that you were looking into?
Yeah, this is interesting because, I mean, if Susan Collins doesn't make the right choice here and actually support the Save America Act, we can, you know, surmise why that might be.
Like I said, it's like a 90-10 issue.
95% of Republicans support voter ID.
So if Susan Collins does not, you know, appease her base on this, it certainly makes you wonder why.
And as this post points out, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Mitch McConnell, the three out of the four holdouts on the Save America Act, are from Eric member states.
Eric is the electronic registration information center, which was funded by George Soros, of course.
Eric signs contracts with the state secretaries of state and gains direct access to DMV data and voter information.
Eric founder David Becker appeared in the defense for the state of California arguing why the current DOJ led by Harmie Dillon should not have access to California voter roles.
So very suspicious stuff going on behind the scenes.
There's also this other post about Susan Collins who this post highlights it perfectly that President Trump lost Maine by over 74,000 votes, but Maine processed over 100,000 new voter registration applications in that timeframe.
None of them required proof of citizenship to register.
So there's obviously a lot of fraud involved in these elections, Heather, as you know, as you've reported on for many years now.
It may just be that Susan Collins is a beneficiary of these rigged elections that don't require proof of citizenship and ID to vote.
So, maybe that's going to be the telltale side here on what she decides to do.
Well, I am hoping and praying for Susan Collins.
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So, I definitely encourage everyone to reach out to her and encourage her to support the Save Act.
And I will point out there is a very big Somali community up in Maine.
So, after what we've seen in Minnesota, I'm really curious about those 100,000 new registrations.
Yes, that's a great point.
Let me guess, they're all out of daycare.
I wouldn't be shocked, Heather.
I wouldn't be shocked.
Well, thank you so much, Allison, for joining us.
And looking forward to having you on next week.
Thank you so much, Heather.
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For our final segment, we're going to be covering what is going down in Arizona.
So this morning, I received a tip from somebody.
They had sent me a text message saying, oh, I think there's a raid happening in Arizona.
And so I quickly went to my doing my research to try to figure out what was going on.
I saw this Twitter post from Josh Barnett, who's been very big covering everything happening down in Arizona.
First, detailing that yesterday, apparently, Maricopa County Board of Supervisors held an emergency meeting.
And then for today, he was saying that he's being told that he could not be happier right now.
DHS just entered Maricopa County Election Center.
I was told it's not a raid, but they are there.
Governor or former governor, but DHS Secretary Christy Noam also gave a press conference on election integrity.
And here's a clip from her speech this morning.
There's many different options that can be used.
Now, remember, the SAVE Act only says that you need to prove your citizenship when you register to vote.
It does not say that you have to prove your citizenship and able to go and vote.
When you go vote on that day, you need to have a photo ID.
And many times in Arizona here, you do have that requirement on your voter rolls.
However, I understand that you need to go back and clean up your voter rolls.
We have a program through the Department of Homeland Security that's called the SAVE program that your Secretary of State and your governor can use today to clean up voters on your roles that shouldn't be there.
Maybe people who've passed away, people that aren't citizens, people that don't live here.
And that would make sure that in your next election, when people are casting their votes, they know they're voting for the right decisions and that those votes are counted and they're counted appropriately and someone else didn't get to weigh in on their leadership.
And joining me now to unpack all of this is host of Lumberjack Logic, Neil Johnson.
Thank you for joining us.
Thanks for having me on, Heather.
So go ahead.
Oh, I was going to let you know, since you were talking about calling Susan Collins, I've got the number right here.
It is 202-224-2523.
202-224-2523.
For those who want to call Susan Collins.
Yeah, that's a nice call to action.
Thank you for that, Neil.
But like, so Arizona, I feel like I got really excited.
I thought it was going to be another, you know, Fulton County election hub style raid.
And I was like, oh my God, this is so awesome.
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, kind of felt like false alarm here a little bit.
What is your take or what have you found out?
Well, I know Brian, Brian Lupo, had posted something.
He said, so the DHS Maricopa Pressor was just supporting just a supporting message for the SAVE Act.
But did you catch the reporter asking why they had to be bused into a secure facility for something that wasn't top secret?
So I don't know what the secure facility is.
And it was just an interesting takeaway from that that Brian had pointed out.
You know, I had covered the Arizona election.
I mean, from 2020 to then 2022, I watched the, especially the court case there with Carrie Lake, and I watched Richer and what was the other guy's name down there, Heather, on the board of elections?
No, no, another one.
Basically, I mean, I saw the one guy perjure himself from one day to the next.
I was taking a trip down memory lane.
I was looking up some of my old videos on Rumble where they still exist because YouTube wiped those out.
But they were literally going from one day to the next.
One was reading testimony from like televised from another room that was actually in the courthouse building and then reading his testimony, which you're not supposed to do in court.
So I don't know.
I mean, the whole thing, I've never been convinced that Arizona was running free and fair elections.
It wasn't.
I covered a decent bit of Arizona.
I was predominantly Georgia, but I did cover a lot of Arizona because I knew the guy, Doug Logan, who had did the actual Maricopa County audit, which was the largest audit in American history.
I mean, they forensically analyzed voting machines, they counted millions of ballots, they did the whole thing start to finish.
And I had conversations with him about what the audit found.
So there was a ton of stuff wrong with that audit.
And then there were hearings where Congressman Andy Biggs was a part of it at the time.
They were going over a lot of they were doing the Senate there was doing an investigation into some of the findings from the audit.
And one of the things that Maricopa County did when they were subpoenaed for information, specifically the logs for the voting machines that would allow them to forensically analyze the timeframe during the election.
Well, I remember, and this was all under oath, right?
Where they were talking about how three days before they Maricopa County handed over the technology to the audit team, somebody went into the system and did what's called a blank password query.
And what ends up happening is, is every time you incorrectly, I believe, enter in a password, it logs like an action item in the system.
But the way the machines worked is that you can only have so many logs on the rundown, right?
And so once you hit the threshold, the oldest gets deleted and the newest to make room for the newest entry.
So somebody had gone days before they handed over this information and made like it was like 32,000 blank password queries, right?
As if someone hit a button over and in order to flush out all of the data so that when the audit team looked at it, they wouldn't be able to see anything because it would no longer exist.
And so this was one example of many that Maricopa County did to really shield the investigators from getting to the truth.
And so it's interesting now that, you know, like you mentioned, they were bused to a secure facility.
And I also want to put up a tweet real quick from Carrie Lake herself on Arizona, where she actually came out and said, Arizona is the root of the corruption.
Arizona is the deepest of the deep state.
Arizona has a puppet government in place.
Cartels, CIA, mafia, all of it is present in our beautiful state 48.
That was from Kerry Lake.
So I feel like something else is coming in Arizona.
And it's not just, you know, the speech to encourage the SAVE Act.
I feel like something else is going on, you know.
Well, I actually gave a call.
Let's see, yesterday, last night, to someone down in Arizona who was leading the canvassing effort.
And I think it behooves us to remember that the FBI, Merrick Garland's FBI, was all up in stopping the canvassing effort in Arizona and saying that it was some form of voter intimidation.
But what they were finding out, and it was like 30-some percent of the time that these people who had supposedly voted from these addresses hadn't voted.
Because, and some of them were illegals and they didn't want to be thought of as having voted because then they were concerned that some government agency was going to come after them.
Also, I mean, some of those findings, if you remember too, there were 74,243 mail-in ballots that were counted despite being linked to voters with no record of those ballots ever being issued or mailed.
So I found it interesting that Arizona audit and all that it did uncover was kind of poo-pooed in such a major way.
People acted like it wasn't a big deal when it really was.
But the canvassing effort, that was when the FBI really got concerned, is when those canvassers went out and started knocking door to door and saying, hey, did you vote in the 2020 election?
No.
Oh, well, it says you did.
So that was shut down because those canvassers were told that they were breaking the law and they were going to get arrested because the FBI was watching them.
I do vaguely remember back when Greg and Catherine had done their geospatial investigation into the ballot traffickers, where what they did essentially, for people that aren't familiar with it, is Greg and his team and Catherine and her team, they purchase cell phone location data in all the different battleground states and counties.
And each phone has a unique IMEI number.
It's like it's not your cell phone number, but it's a number unique to your cell phone.
And you can actually purchase the location data for cell phones from data brokers.
And so what they ended up doing is they purchased all the data around the Dropboxes and they set up what's called geofences.
And they did this through importing all of the data through a supercomputer.
And they could map out the pattern of life and find out if the same cellular device went to multiple different Dropboxes.
So as soon as that IMEI number hit one circle that they had, you know, mapped out, it would ping them, right?
And then if it went to another one, it's the same device.
Well, I vividly or vaguely remember that one of the people in Georgia going Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox, that same number was also found in Arizona going to different Dropboxes out there.
And so it became like a multi-state thing where clearly people were being brought to different states.
So I'm curious to see if maybe that's some of what they would be investigating because wouldn't that fall under the jurisdiction of DHS at that point, Neil?
I'm not sure on the jurisdictions on that.
You know what I did find interesting though?
So Adrian Fontes, one hour ago, made his own video and put it up on X.
And in there, he talks about how they clean up.
You're going to love this, Heather.
They clean up their voter rolls utilizing a system already.
That system is Eric.
So they already, they're already doing it.
Yeah, you wanted to have to bring up Eric.
So Eric is literally, Allison just brought it up and said, we're waiting on Susan Collins to, you know, pass the SAVE Act.
And she's from one of the Eric states along with Mitch McConnell and a whole bunch of others.
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I mean, I guess just final thoughts from you, since we're running out of time here, but just final thoughts for you on what is your prediction there for Arizona?
Do you think we're going to see something come within the next week or two, something more serious, kind of like what we saw in Fulton County?
Well, the problem is Arizona's ballots are all gone.
They're already shredded.
They're already destroyed.
And they kept them, you know, for the length of time required.
There wasn't a court order protecting those documents like there was in Georgia.
So they're just all gone.
I know there's some electronic data they could look through and things of that nature, but on a whole, I don't think we're able to go backwards in Arizona and get the results I'd like to see.
I think the audit outed all of this.
It was during the Biden regime.
It was never taken seriously.
If that audit had happened, if we had that information when we had a real justice department, then maybe we could have seen something.
But as it stands right now, I don't see us making a ton of headway in Arizona.
Yeah, no, not at all.
Well, anyway, well, we know you're going to stay on top of it.
Why don't you tell people where they can go to watch your show, Neil?
Well, it's easy.
You just search Lumberjack Logic and you'll find me.
I mean, I'm on YouTube.
I've got a couple channels on there.
My larger one is under my name, Neil Johnson, N-E-I-L Johnson.
See, Neil's great.
I have an X account.
Yeah, Neil's great because you can get your election information over the weekend since I'm not live here on Mike Lindell's show over the weekend, but you can go tune into Lumberjack Logic.
And Neil's like that one-man show that just goes live anywhere and everywhere and gives you the latest.
Yes, that's true.
Well, we're going live.
Yeah, no.
Thanks for having me on, Heather.
Yeah, thank you so much, Neil.
It was a pleasure.
Well, that's it for today.
I hope everybody has a great weekend.
I'm sure come Monday there'll be a lot more to discuss, but go out, spend some time with your family.
And when we come back on Monday, we'll bring you what you need to know.