Thank you, Mike Lindell, for trusting me to go ahead and segue in and substitute for you tonight.
Also, tomorrow night, Mike Lindell and Patrick Colbeck will be back to break down the races that are down ballot that are at risk and need additional review and or protection.
We are all aware of what's happening in Arizona, the Cary Lake case.
We've also seen some shenanigans in other states like Wisconsin and even in Minnesota when we go down ballot, even in South Dakota when we go down ballot and so many other states.
And the totals are still coming in.
And now Donald Trump has crossed the record and beaten his performance back in 2020.
So now he's the Republican with the most ever votes.
And when we look at the analysis of his improvement in all categories, it is absolutely stunning to see how he has improved in just about every single demographic there is and how you slice and dice it.
And so congratulations to Donald Trump.
And remember his first campaign?
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All right.
So getting to some of the news that is happening around the country, we do have a couple of pieces that are interesting.
And even in Minnesota, it's interesting that over in Hubbard County, an election judge accepted unregistered votes and charges have been filed.
And so an investigator received a copy of an email from Hubbard County Auditor Kay Rave to attorney Jonathan Frieden.
The email stated 11 people had registered to vote according to the complaint, but Rave couldn't find the completed registration forms.
So the 64-year-old man served as the head election judge for the township.
He completed basic election judge and head judge training in July, the complaint says.
And so this one will be interesting to watch.
This one was reported by WCCO News locally there in Minnesota.
But kind of the breaking news, as all eyes are still on Pennsylvania, thankfully the Supreme Court orders all county board of elections to comply with their original ruling and stop counting illegal ballots.
Undated ballots will be removed from Bucks County vote totals.
And so that is phenomenal that they ordered all 67 counties in the state to comply with their earlier ruling.
And it is just absolutely disgusting that these officials thought that they could circumvent the law and the ruling.
And so stay tuned as to how this is going to unfold.
Now, in sad news, we see over in Wisconsin that Eric Havdi conceded his election.
And we saw that video last week where he outlined all of the areas of concern surrounding his election against Democrat Tammy Baldwin.
And I'm kind of surprised he did walk away from challenging this election because I think there are a lot of people on the ground there that were willing to support him and any type of a contest.
And what was surprising on election night, early projections had shown Eric Havdi with a commanding lead.
However, over 108,000 absentee ballots were dumped in Milwaukee at 4 o'clock in the morning, with Senator Tammy Baldwin receiving 90% of those votes.
I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound right.
We know that Democrats in the past were a lot of the early absentee, but the problem with that is with the Republicans campaigning out there to also have Republicans early absentee vote.
Even in Minnesota, we saw a lot more parody and not this type of 90% type of a piece.
So I think there are a lot of questions surrounding that race, and I wish he would not have given up.
Now, for those of you that have been watching what's been happening with the January Sixers, there has been a congressman from Oklahoma has penned a letter to President Trump respectfully requesting the release of this quote-unquote violent J6 constituent from Biden's gulag.
And the constituent, Ben Burlow, is a disabled and decorated American Army war hero who lived in the Wendota.
I'm sorry, I misspelled or mispronounced that, Indian Reservation in Oklahoma.
And so it is good to see that more congressmen and women are writing letters to right this wrong.
And you and I both know it.
And it is absolutely disgusting to see how the fake case was built against them.
Now, also, we see Bucks County Commissioner, who openly broke the law to count illegal ballots, contributed to Democrat Bob Casey's campaign, and they could be held criminally liable.
So these are like little fingerprints of fraud that we're seeing here.
And it's just absolutely disgusting to see how these people are basically trying to subvert our elections.
And this is just disgusting that this is still going on.
Now, in other positive news, a lead Trump Florida attorney launches a surprise forensic voter roll audit for GOP candidates ready to expose voter fraud.
And so Peter Tikton, a close ally of President Trump, has unveiled a powerful forensic voter roll audit designed to uncover voter fraud and empower Republican candidates to challenge the results of contested elections.
And so I am interested in learning more about this.
This is something that is completely out of the blue, even for me.
I thought I kind of knew most of the folks that were working on data.
And so it's nice to see that not only is he having the data expertise, but he's also bringing in additional legal teams to help with some of these cases.
So I guess this is kind of a pro tip for Mike Lindell and Donald Trump that if we're not aware of this gentleman and hopefully is helping in some of these down ballot races across the country and especially Carrie Lake's race to find out what really happened.
And I'm even aware of some, I'm going to call it phone canvassing that has happened with voters With a close friend of mine who has kind of led this, and one of her friends has kind of led it to where they have discovered that the data is not making sense.
And so it brings all sorts of awareness and concerns to that race down there that a lot of people's eyebrows are being raised in that Arizona race.
And so hopefully we'll find out more and hopefully we'll have more data experts coming forward as they are able to analyze their data to find out does this election in Arizona make sense?
Because, you know, just my gut as a political scientist, where I sit here and I look at the overall kind of the data that is there, but also just kind of Carrie Lake is a well-known commodity in Arizona that she was bringing people the news and she was a newscaster that people trusted.
And so, and then for this gentleman that is running against her to all of a sudden potentially have more votes than Kamala Harris or even Kerry Lake, it just doesn't really make sense because I don't believe the Arizona electorate is more liberal than Kamala Harris, which is what this gentleman that was running on the Democrat ticket appeared to be.
And so there's just something that doesn't quite add up there.
And when we look at some of the other things that are happening across there, let's actually tonight kind of talk about some of the things that we've learned about building cases.
And so a lot of the discussion that I have tonight, I have to give a lot of credit to Susan Shogren Smith out of Minnesota, one of the first attorneys that I was working with on election cases back in the 2020 cycle.
But first, we just kind of have to understand there are not a lot of attorneys that actually specialize in election law from the conservative side.
Now, some of that paradigm is starting to change now, and more of them are getting up to speed, but they're generally not across state lines.
You have some federal attorneys that understand election law, but when it comes into the individual states, there's a lot of pressure for them to kind of walk away.
Because number one, there's not a lot of money.
Number two, there's just not a lot of case law out there regarding this.
And then three, that bar to basically convince a judge of a remedy is such a nebulous and a high bar to cross.
And so this was one of the things that we kind of learned through watching Susan Jogren Smith in the 2020 cases, but then the attack on her afterwards in 2021, and then all the way through even the beginning of this year as well through the Minnesota Supreme Court.
And there were a lot of things that were not covered in the attacks on her regarding the handling of the case.
And we'll get into that a little bit later as well.
But then does she give up?
No, she spearheads another area within Minnesota law, which is kind of the guard the ballot process to actually guard the ballots in Minnesota.
And she has been relentless in this fight for election integrity.
And the smearing by the media, the smearing by the left has just been absolutely relentless, plus the attacks on her family, even the other issues that surrounded Her ability to go out into the public because of the smearing by the media,
the saddle rabeling by even some of the judges with some of the uncolorful or very colorful language that they used towards her that was not professional in any way whatsoever.
And they didn't appreciate the circumstances in which all of this had to happen.
For example, a lot of this happened during COVID, where we couldn't go to an office and file the forms, where we couldn't sit down with clients and meet with them.
And so a lot of it was remote.
Then, also, this is happening during the Thanksgiving holiday period.
And it's also a limited time that you can actually get these documents together.
And so all of that combined creates issues within contesting elections.
And we'll go more into that in details as well.
But some of the attacks against Susan were so unfair that this is an example of one of the press coverages there where she was sanctioned $10,000 for filing election challenges without plaintiff's knowledge.
And this case actually unraveled so crazily that the judge would not hear evidence from one of the other co-attorneys that was leading the Minnesota election integrity team.
And it was disgusting as I sat there as a witness through these cases to listen to how the judge was not allowing the other attorneys and the other people that were working on the cases to actually tell the truth.
And it seemed like the judge Castro at the time was not interested in the truth.
He was not interested in allowing Susan to defend herself.
And then they went even further three years later and attack her again this year and go and then to go after her law license as well.
And it was just absolutely disgusting because she did not bamboozle any of the voters.
She did not bamboozle any of the clients.
She did not do any of those things.
She was assigned to write up the cases, whereas the other part of the team was communicating with all of the plaintiffs, all of the witnesses, all of the folks.
They were responsible for that.
She was responsible for just doing the write-ups and the research behind the scenes.
Then Eric Van Mecklen, he, through Midwest Seeds, actually writes a wonderful article of what kind of happened and details all of it.
And the finds just kept coming in to attack.
And here we actually see where Eric Van Mecklen writes about attorney Jose Jimenez, who had admitted to this mistake but was not allowed to speak during the 2021 hearing on the same just to ram through a ruling against Susan.
And it was just so disgusting.
And three years later, they then bring this up again to go after an attacker.
And this was through the lawyers board.
And so this weaponization that has happened, where I've seen my friend Susan Shogun and Smith get attacked publicly, and it's just absolutely disgusting.
It made other attorneys in Minnesota take a step back.
And other attorneys were even afraid to even talk to Susan when Susan is probably one of the better writers and better researchers out there.
And there are a couple other good ones out there too.
Some of them are kind of funny.
I've actually read Eric Cardall.
Have to give kudos to you and some of your writing that you've done and the quote-unquote doobie rule, which is legendary in the Minnesota Supreme Court.
More on that later.
But back to Susan.
There are people who are afraid to work with her because of this damage that was done to her publicly.
And how do you recover from that?
And that is just so absolutely disgusting.
So she needs our help to be able to pay these fines to pay for the work that she did that she was never reimbursed for, all of the filing fees for multiple cases that she did in 2020, 2022, and then again for 2024 with some of the research she had done before her law license was suspended.
And one of the ways that you can support Susan Shaugren Smith is over at Midwest Swamp Watch.
I'm going to switch over to the actual website here, Apollo.
And this is the actual website.
And you can go over to the more section and go to donate.
And under the donate section, there is an area here specifically for support the active 2022 and 2024 election cases.
If you donate there via Give Butter, those dollars will go directly towards Susan Shaugren Smith to cover her filing fees, the duplicating fees, all of the legal expenses that she has incurred over the years to help her not have to pay for that out of pocket.
So please give generously to that.
And then anything extra will certainly support the 2024 cases that other attorneys are working on in Minnesota as well.
And there are several active cases in Minnesota.
And there may be some others coming up, especially now that the post-election audit has finally happened and some of the canvassing has also happened in Minnesota.
And so tip of the cap for Susan, there's been a lot of time that she has spent with me investing in me to learn the election laws and having great discussion on how to marry the data with the election laws and then what the remedies are, but also how can we fix future election laws in multiple states.
And so we would, especially in 2021, each day we were averaging three hours a day just talking about the law and how we would look at it, the approach.
What do these different aspects mean?
Are there penalties with these?
And then also going and looking at each of the administrative rules by the Secretary of State to understand how there were conflicts in the administrative rules to the law, where did they come up with those?
And then also kind of vision casting for the 2021 case that we ended up with in Dakota County, a 2022 case in multiple counties, and then looking at training candidates, election judges, and poll watchers on what to look for to make sure that the conduct of the election actually followed the law and actually followed the rules.
And that's why it's so important that when you're looking at filing election contests, if you don't understand the law, you are going to be up a crick.
And that's kind of the hard part for many attorneys.
And I tried contacting a few attorneys this afternoon to see if they wanted to join tonight.
And unfortunately, many of them, I'm going to kind of put it gently this way, were either scared, felt intimidated by others, and wanted to be really well prepared.
And that's normal, and that's okay.
And I totally get that.
And hopefully, at some point, we will get some attorneys to start talking about what their experience was during the 2020 election more from a local state issue that was even non-Trump related.
We've heard of so many of the Trump attorneys and how they have been attacked.
You know, Rudy Giuliani.
You have Sidney Powell.
You even have some of the attorneys around Mike Lindell.
You have so many attorneys that have been working on ESNS, Dominion, throughout the United States, and even some of the expert witnesses out there to where they have been threatened, to where they have been misaligned in the media.
And it's all of these people working together to try and fix the elections so that we have greater transparency.
And the reality is somehow we're made the bad guys in all of this when we're not.
When you can see universally, we want public access to our elections.
We want transparency.
We want accuracy.
And we want partisan oversight in a bipartisan way to make sure that all of the election laws are followed.
And we want the actual laws followed as written so that we're not having this guessing game of is this a valid ballot or is this not a valid ballot?
Just like what we see here in this Pennsylvania case where they basically closed the door and said, look, all 67 of you counties have to comply.
That's what we're looking for.
And so when I see activists out there getting slammed, my heart breaks because I know what you're going through.
And I've been smeared in multiple states.
And even in my own home state, there was a recent article about me joining the state board of elections and a recruiting effort to go out there.
And I get a legislator out there saying that I'm too controversial.
So I called the good legislator and I said, why do you think I'm controversial when I'm just asking people to follow the law and improve the elections and the administrative rules?
So doesn't that make you an extremist then if you don't care to actually create enforcement and actually have people follow the law?
So I just want to ask you, and he goes, you know, that's kind of a good point.
He goes, no, but I don't really understand the elections.
And I'm like, well, I'm here to be a resource to you.
And what's disgusting is that reporter who wrote the article never called me, didn't email me.
And so that's just absolutely disgusting.
And eventually I will call him out on that.
And that's even true of Susan Shorgren Smith, where there are, and so many attorneys, there's all these articles written out there.
And do they bother to call or even talk to the attorneys to find out what their real story is and what the truth is?
No.
And do they even investigate how the elections even work?
No, many of them don't.
And that's where it gets really disgusting and discouraging when we can plainly see the formula of how the elections are supposed to work, but the reporters don't even bother to even look at the equation.
And so we have to do a better job of that.
And so this is why I'm so thankful for the Lindell report: we are able to break through and have those discussions and actually show you the sausage making of the elections, as disgusting as it is, and how it can actually be a good product that actually turns out really well.
And we should be able to be satisfied with that finished product when there's the right inspections, there's the right oversight, the right ingredients, and the right people are involved.
It's just like any other company when you are making a product.
You have to have all of those cylinders firing well so that you can have a top-notch product.
That's basically all we're asking for.
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Tonight, let's in this segment, let's talk about actually building the case.
And so, there are so many candidates that will call me and say, Well, is my can we challenge my election?
And sometimes, yes, and most of the time, not.
And so, it really depends.
And I'm not an attorney, but working with so many attorneys, I've been able to kind of see what they're looking for before we can actually approach it.
And so, part of that is I'm just going to show you a kind of a quick list here in our regular PowerPoint where we kind of, and we'll talk about each of these different items here.
So, one, what was the equipment used in the elections?
The certification, the security, and the testing.
That type of case would generally you would want to file that before, well before the election, if you're trying to get rid of the machines.
Then, there's the defining the election, such as the ballots, the ballot layout, the testing and certification of the ability of the machines to actually read those ballots correctly.
That those logic and accuracy tests are going to be so important to get and understand.
You'll need somebody like me to help you walk through to determine if they actually did do everything thoroughly enough.
Then, there comes in another vector, such as who can vote in the election.
Are those registrations valid?
Then you get into the next section, which is the type of voting: Yukova, mail-in, absentee, early voting, vote centers, and election day.
All of those have different vectors and different consequences.
Some of those can be before, during, or after.
And so, depending on what evidence you have, may impact a decision of an attorney that would agree with you when they read the statutes.
Whether or not drop boxes are allowed, postal issues, such as the date stamp before the election, does your state allow it?
Does your state require that it has to be in by 5 p.m., no matter what?
Or is there an allowance that it can be received several days later as long as the postmark is on there?
What do they do if the postmark isn't on there?
Is that tossed and not counted?
Those are all questions that you have to address within your state statutes to kind of get the answer.
Then, are there party oversight requirements?
They push the party completely aside, not allowing the party to do certain legal requirements, such as processing absentee ballots, monitoring and doing the actual work on election day, or early voting, or even processing Yokova ballots to basically take that laser printed paper, pull it apart,
and then re basically take all that data and re-fill out a new ballot for that person.
Chain of custody requirements.
This includes who's supposed to have access to all of this stuff from the beginning to the end, the transportation of the materials from the precinct to the county, and even at the beginning, from the county to the precinct before voting begins.
The logs, all of that.
Post-election audits, the canvasing, the local county, states, there may be things there that they don't follow.
And that could actually be really devastating.
And so this is where being organized upfront and being properly trained and understanding your state statutes and rules, you'll be able to gather that evidence versus trying to do it post-election.
So like I have activists right now that are asking for logic and accuracy tests, and these clerks and auditors are basically saying, well, it's sealed with the rest of the election materials.
So nana boo-boo, you're not getting it now.
What?
And what's kind of disgusting about that is in some areas, that may be the truth.
In other areas where they also have the laptop and or desktop that can actually rerun the report at any time, that's a lie.
And so that's a real problem.
In other areas, jurisdictions where they don't have a secondary copy or they did actually seal it in there, that is a little bit of a mislead as well, because at any time, they can open up those election materials, bring it out, show it to you, make copies, et cetera, and then reseal it and then reinitial for the chain of custody.
And so what's interesting is the different approaches where some of the state's attorneys and county attorneys will basically say, no, we're not going to give you access to this.
And even some of the election officials are saying this as well.
And that doesn't look good.
We should have access to that within a reasonable amount of time.
And the rules should be set forth.
Now, in some states, we're going to have to change the laws.
And sometimes you have to get an attorney to get access to that and find out if their data practices acts are going too far above and beyond to create these hurdles.
And even collecting the evidence of what is their response and understanding what the timelines in your state, whether or not they have seven days, five days, 10 days, 14 days to fill out a data practices request and to deliver the information.
And also, what are they legitimately allowed to charge you for this information?
And that is so key.
Now, another piece of evidence that I want to give you guys on the web, I just updated this past weekend the latest data regarding the antivirus updates.
And so this is good to have as a discussion with your county and even Secretary of States and even state boards.
And so over at uscase.org, at this website, we actually have the ability where we have a report for you.
If you go to the 2024 virus election risk, you can go there and I've got that updated through November 15th.
And what's really disgusting is that it still stands true that with the engineering change orders of 2024, they just didn't update it from any of the vendors.
And that is just absolutely devastating that when they sit there and say this was the most secure election ever, this is still bad.
It's not good.
This is not where we should be.
And especially for those states that rely on the voluntary voting system guidelines and adopt that in as part of their state statutes, this is so wrong because in 7.4.2, it basically talks about how they need to keep the antivirus and the operating system patches at a current status.
So many of these election systems are well beyond two years.
In my own state of South Dakota, the four laptops, the four counties that have the laptops, we're looking at over five years since their last antivirus.
That doesn't sit well with me.
And I know there are a lot of naysayers out there in the election world that are auditors, clerks, Secretary of States, and even ESNS and Dominion that say, well, this is a closed system.
Well, it's not.
We need to stop being disingenuous because the reality is that when you have these election officials going to your portal, downloading data from that portal onto a thumb drive at their county computer, then taking that thumb drive over to a duplicator, then putting it into the election machines, you're putting the systems at risk.
You guys should be taking the liability.
You should be mailing out or coming out and doing all of the updates.
And the county should stop accepting that liability because they're running it through their equipment.
Now, as we look at some of the other evidence that we have to build, this is part of the stuff that you have to do as a candidate and potentially a party leader.
And so there's different roles, but you almost have to work together to be more successful.
And then even voters themselves, that's even a higher bar to look at as well.
So when we go through some of the evidence, you're going to need affidavits from election judges, voters, and potentially experts.
Other things that you need to look for are the incident logs at the polling locations.
Were there any machine issues?
Were there any voter issues?
Anything at all that may lead to say that this impacted voters that potentially were turned away, etc.
Also look at the logic and accuracy detail reports by precinct.
This will tell you whether or not each candidate, each option with an erase had a unique number.
If they didn't, say, for example, all of the options with an erase had two votes selected for them, they didn't protect you from potential vote flips.
So that's not a valid test.
Then we also want to look at absentee data, the ballots that were accepted and the ballots that were rejected.
We want to confirm whether or not those people are actually there.
Voter roll data and same-day registration data.
That is so important.
Drop boxes.
Are there videos available to make sure that somebody wasn't stuffing a bunch of ballots in?
Based upon your state requirement, it could be a limit of three ballots are allowed per person.
Public access to processes.
And you need to have affidavits when those violations occur.
Party oversight, affidavits when those violations occur.
And then canvassing areas randomly for making sure that voters actually exist at some of the apartments, making sure that there's not empty lots where voters are potentially voting from.
You need to have that type of evidence in order to be able to potentially contest an election.
If you don't have this type of evidence, you're not going to be able to successfully contest an election because a judge is going to want to look at a formula.
The law required this.
This was the negative.
It subtracted from a good election.
If they can't create that type of a formula and you can't make it easy for them to understand, they're not going to rule in your favor.
And unfortunately, part of this gets into another damaging area.
From if you're a candidate, you have to also check in with your laws because you may have to hire an attorney.
And if you have to as a candidate, you have to check with your campaign finance laws to determine if that is going to impact your max donations or if the state makes an allowance for a separate fund to then allow for donations to cover legal expenses.
A recount in a Minnesota House seat in 2020, they were requiring a $50,000 bond for a case.
A case in Wyoming so far has exceeded $30,000 just for an invalid test act and a retest, and then following up on a consent decree that wasn't basically followed through.
And so now, of course, now graciously, some of the attorneys have donated some of that stuff back.
And I doubt that the 30,000 covered all of the expenses that they have gone through, all the time and research and everything else.
Now, even looking back at 2020, the Trump campaign for two counties to recount was $3 million.
So these exercises are not cheap.
And especially when states, so many of them have a low threshold for when the state will pay for the recount, it really does make a huge difference.
So like in some states, it's a quarter percent difference between the candidates or a half percent.
And then the state or county may be forced to actually do the recount.
And so anything outside of that range, you have to have money to compel it or a really good, legitimate case to basically say that a recount is necessary, such as an invalid test act.
So here's a couple of situations where an invalid test act can occur.
We observed a case in Wyoming where a gentleman was running unopposed.
So why would this matter?
Well, it could shift other races.
We're lucky that it didn't in this case, but it's a warning for all of you out there.
When we were looking at this one particular county, this well-known legislator who was unopposed actually ended up with less votes in the general election than they did in the primary election.
And we're like, wait a minute, that just can't be.
And there was like 1,200 undervotes in this case.
And there was only like maybe less than 200 votes in that county for this candidate.
But we come to find out that there was an issue in the sample ballot online where the term of office was not there.
And then so she had ordered new ballots with the term of office in there, but then weren't, and then both ballot styles, the old and the new, were released out there.
And she didn't retest the test deck to understand that the shift in the new ballot design would throw out a bunch of votes because now with the shift, people were now filling in an area where the machine was not analyzing.
the actual votes.
So they were filling in a location of an oval that was not programmed by the machine to look for.
And so that is a big issue.
And so how many other elections did that happen to across the state?
Probably a handful, but the reality is it happened and we have the evidence for it.
And luckily, the states or the county attorney within that county was willing to work with this in the beginning.
And they ended up doing a hand count during the candidate at the county and then corrected that race as well as a county commissioner's race that also had ballot order issues between the candidates.
Now, somehow they got lucky that it didn't impact anything, but the reality is how much of this is actually going on out there.
And so it was because of the invalid test act that we asserted that we were able to discover this, as well as having a legislator that basically said, hey, this isn't looking right.
I'm in two different counties here.
And why is this one so drastically different?
Well, the election official flat out lied in the very beginning when confronted about it and said that it was some kind of a protest vote happening within the county.
Well, that wasn't true at all.
They were trying to obfuscate any responsibility and not realizing the impact that they had on the election.
And so that wasn't genuine.
And they even resisted throughout the process.
And it was until a good attorney that was volunteering to basically go in and take corrective action.
And so that attorney, kudos to him for doing that.
And kudos to the county attorney for recognizing the issue and being willing to negotiate and kind of look at it holistically to do what was right.
But that isn't always the case.
And so we have this mixed bag across the United States as to whether or not reasonable people can sit down and find a solution and carry it across the finish line.
Now, luckily, in this county, they did get to the facts and the evidence.
But the reality is how many more places did this happen?
And this is just completely unacceptable.
And so this is why we need that transparency.
And this is why I even recommend 100% post-election audits because otherwise you wouldn't find this in a random sample.
And it's just not thorough enough.
So now getting back to the lawyers.
Okay.
Stop it.
Not all lawyers are bad.
Okay.
But you have to understand where they're coming from.
Number one, understanding the laws and rules.
Most attorneys do not specialize in election law.
Most attorneys don't even specialize in all areas of civil litigation.
Most of the election law is in civil areas.
Most of your civil attorneys are kind of dealing with mortgage contracts, wills, trusts, basic civil law, maybe some civil tickets, you know, and civil disputes between contracts and apartment leases, etc.
And so, when it gets into election law, this is a whole area that most candidates aren't out there suing.
Most voters aren't out there suing.
So, it's really rare.
Then, when we get into the equipment used in elections, they don't even know what the terms are.
They don't understand how this equipment came to be.
They don't know how it works.
They don't even know what a tabulator is.
They certainly aren't going to understand the nuances of the disability rights when it comes to the election equipment.
They don't understand the security.
They rely on other people typically to even manage their own security of their computers if they're in a larger office.
Defining the election, the ballots themselves, they're not aware of what the timing marks are on the left-hand side.
They don't understand the testing requirements of an oval versus a barcode and who can vote.
They might have some general idea, you know, based upon the media.
Ballot registrations.
YCOVA, that seems foreign to them.
You know, it's federal law.
Mail-in absentee early voting vote center election day.
Okay, they probably understand election day, a little bit of absentee, but the process behind it, no idea.
Party oversight requirements, they are shocked at how much the party is excluded and included, and immediately they see areas that they start questioning because it's so out of the norm for them that they're like, wait a minute, we don't actually have party oversight throughout the entire process.
They're shocked by that.
Chain of custody requirements, they're even raising an eyebrow going, wow, this is outside the norms of what I'm used to.
And post-election audits, they're shocked at how flimsy they are.
Now, on top of it, the timeline to file the cases, depending on your state, could be anywhere between two and 14-day window.
And the question is, who do you file the case?
Who is the defendant on the other side?
And in some states, like in Wyoming, your case contention may actually be filed with the legislature in January.
And so it's not uniform across the United States.
And even with some jurisdictions, some different offices have different filing requirements and who you file to.
And this was one of the things that Susan ran into when she was filing one of her early cases.
The judge was like, oh, you have to serve all 87 counties.
Wait a minute.
The state board of elections is the one certifying at the end.
Why can't I just certify here?
Because the counties don't certify the congressional candidates because so many of the congressional candidates are across multiple jurisdictions, just like the governor and U.S. Senate race.
And so that has created new rules in Minnesota that the lawyers are trying to navigate through as to who has to be served.
And that makes it really tough and expensive and hard.
And candidates don't understand that.
And lawyers don't get as much leeway as a person who files pro se.
A person who files pro se on their own without attorney help, then the judge has to kind of help that person filing walk through all of the legal landmines that are out there.
And whereas lawyers aren't trained in election law and they're looking through this and it is so complex that many of them don't see an avenue of success and many of them even will get threatened by other attorneys, judges even, and even associations to say, if you take on this type of a case, we're going to make sure that we don't refer other cases that are your bread and butter.
And so we saw that in South Dakota.
We saw that in Minnesota.
We saw it in other states across the United States.
And there are attorneys who are afraid to come forward regarding that.
And so it kind of changes the dynamics of where we need to be as Republicans to kind of go through this.
There are some parties that are actually hiring attorneys now to have a retainer with them to kind of understand election law and to be able to go out.
I'm encouraging more states to potentially do this.
I'm also encouraging you, the audience, to look at places like Judicial Watch, even donate to them on the federal cases and the cases that they've had successfully in some of the state cases out there as well.
Now, another thing that we're going to have to start doing is some of us activist groups are going to have to look at, can we raise enough money to have our own internal attorney to protect them?
Because when they get threatened with their livelihood or their practices, it makes it really, really tough on them.
And so we're going to have to come to terms with that.
Now, when you file cases on your own, which I've had a few friends do this in Minnesota, in South Dakota, Wisconsin, even in Texas.
And what's interesting is that you have to be ready to get affidavits, the experts, the witnesses.
It's a very high bar.
It's candidate versus a voter.
And so those of you who are candidates filing on your own, you have a better standing than just the voter.
And then the question is, what was the damage?
Well, I started playing around with this.
And the reality is on a federal election, if we take $6.75 trillion times that by two, because you get to vote on new Congress every two years, it's $13.5 trillion.
And with 150 million voters so far, that's $90,000 per vote.
And then my state, South Dakota, that's $33,000 per vote.
Brookings County, $3,400.
Elkton School District, yeah, it's that bad.
We're that small.
$40,000 per vote.
And then the city of Elkton, we're that small and have that much revenue going through $122,000.
So the value of my vote is $289,000.
So now we have a number.
And then when you actually have a school bond or a city project, that could be the value of the damage and the vote.
Now rounding up for judges, they don't have time nor the understanding of the election laws.
They won't read a long case.
The arguments have to be simple.
The resolution has to be reasonable.
The law has to support it.
The judges don't want to override the legislature or create new laws.
And so with that, I hope that this show would help you kind of lay out the high hurdles that these attorneys have to go through.
But even yourself, if you're trying to do this pro se, there is so much evidence that you have to collect and you have to create the narrative of was this enough to impact the election?
And if it was, say, for example, there's a case in South Dakota that we're just kind of waiting on where a person lost by seven votes.
So far, they have five postcards that absentee ballots were sent, but the chase mail of the postcard bounced back.
And so, that's the reality: this is always tough, and you have to get across such a high bar.
And why is nobody listening to us?
Well, they are, and we're getting better at the cases.
And thankfully, with all of you being out there, we've got so much more evidence.
Tomorrow, you're going to see with Mike Lindell so much more evidence that we were able to collect this year with your help through the vocal app.
And thank you so much.
And stay tuned tomorrow when Mike is back tomorrow night and he will talk about the cases that they're looking at and the close races.