He's out fighting for election integrity across America and asked me to sit in tonight.
And I am so happy to do it because I've got a great show for you tonight.
Again, it's going to be Arkansas-centric, but there are things going on in the red state of Arkansas that you will not believe.
And so I want to make sure that you are informed because we're getting fought left and right on paper ballots, secure paper ballots.
It is unbelievable what they've gone to.
It is lawfare against us.
Anybody who's associated with the paper ballot initiative wanting paper ballots to vote on, we're treated like criminals and were accused of being criminals.
This is crazy.
And I've got a special guest for you tonight, and we're going to introduce him in just a minute.
But let me give you a little context of what we're talking about.
In Arkansas, we've had several counties that wanted to do the paper ballot initiative at the county level because the state, the Republicans at the state level have done everything they can to block us.
They've blocked us so that we could not get a statewide referendum on the ballot so that we could change our constitution to say you have to have paper ballots.
They fought us all the way.
It was unbelievable.
So we were never able to get that off the ground.
But then a lot of the counties, some of these grassroots efforts, they came to us and said, hey, can you help us?
If you're not going to do this statewide, we're trying to get just an ordinance in our county.
We can do that to say we, our county, will vote on paper ballots.
And we said, huh, we didn't know you could do that.
And as we started looking at it, we said, okay, yeah, it's a different set of rules than the statewide.
In fact, they're a lot more lax.
And we said, you know, we could probably do that.
So there were 20 counties or so who came and asked for guidance, help.
And so we tried to help them.
Of the 20 counties, nine counties got enough signatures to get it on their ballot.
But the county clerks, one by one, said no, no.
These are Republican county clerks, would not allow it and gave different reasons.
One was, well, the people that were here shouldn't have been here.
They were from out of state, which was not true because the people who were here were actually residents under the definition of resident in the state of Arkansas.
They, in fact, were here legally and could get signatures.
Again, the other thing they challenged us on, challenged all these counties, was the ballot title.
They said, your ballot title is too confusing for the average voter.
Now, let me tell you what the ballot title was.
It was the handmarked, hand-counted, paper ballot or paper ballot ordinance of 2024.
Let me say that again.
It was a handmarked, hand-counted, paper ballot ordinance of 2024.
I don't know how much clearer you can get.
But they simply said, nope, we're not going to have it, and we don't want it, and they rejected it.
So we had one brave county that actually fought this all the way to the Arkansas Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court ruled that, in fact, they were correct and told and directed the county clerk to put it on the ballot.
And that county is Independence County.
Kind of an appropriate name, don't you think?
Independence County in Arkansas.
The county seat there is a town called Batesville, Batesville, Arkansas.
I know it well because that's where I graduated high school.
And so they have worked hard.
The people in that county worked for a couple of months to get all these signatures.
And then they were fought tooth and nail from the county clerk, from other entities to be able to stop them.
But they had to go to the Supreme Court just to get the right to vote on it.
The guy that led that effort is in the studio with me today.
His name is Brian Norris.
He's a combat veteran, decorated combat veteran.
He served over 21 years in the military, in the Army, and he is here to tell us what they did and also to tell us what he did as far as testimony at this committee that we had back on last last week.
And we'll talk about that in a minute.
But first, let me introduce Brian.
Brian, welcome to the show.
Colonel, thank you so much.
Appreciate you having me here.
I'm telling you, folks, this is a real hero.
This is a guy that you want in every county.
He has fought left and right.
He was able to put a team together and they were able to get all the signatures required to get it on the ballot.
But let me put just a little context here of what we're saying.
After it was clear that he was able to get it on the ballot or was going to, and that these other counties wanted it, if you added it all together, the aggregate, he had over 15,000 people who signed, we're talking citizens of Arkansas, who said, we want paper ballots.
We do not want these machines.
We want to be able to vote on it on November 5th.
Okay?
So there is a huge outcry of people who want it.
Not one signature that's on these petitions has been designated or even alleged to be fraudulent.
None of them are.
These are your citizens of this state.
But guess what?
There's a legislative body called the Joint Performance Review Committee, and it's made up of state senators and state legislatures.
Now keep in mind that Arkansas, over 60% of all Arkansans want paper ballots.
How do I know that?
Because Ras Musin did a poll last year in October, which clearly showed that over 60% of Arkansans want a paper ballot, secure paper ballot instead of a machine.
And 71% of Republicans want it.
Not only 71% of Republicans, our former president, President Trump wants paper ballots.
The Republican National Convention, it's on their platform, paper ballots.
In Arkansas, the first and second district of the Arkansas Republican Party have voted to have paper ballots.
But did you know that 99% of all of our Republican elected officials don't want it and fighting it tooth and nail and threatening anybody and creating laws to punish counties if they went to paper ballots?
This is a real problem.
They're not representing the people.
Statistically, it would be impossible for there to be 99% of the elected people in office to fight against paper ballots.
At least 60% of them would want it, but that's not the case here in Arkansas.
And our governor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, has been silent on this issue.
She's done absolutely nothing to help us on this.
She stayed silent.
And so this JPR, this Joint Performance Review Committee, has had two meetings.
One was on the 1st of October and one was on the 21st of October.
And the whole goal of this committee, it was very clear from the outset, is that they wanted to claim that laws could have been broken and that this was not right.
And they were going to go after that.
What they really were trying to do was punish anybody associated with the paper ballot movement here in Arkansas.
They even subpoenaed the notaries, the notaries who notarized for the people.
They were bringing in people in to be interviewed.
They even brought the hotel manager where some of these people stayed to bring the hotel manager in to find out who paid for the room.
I mean, it's really unbelievable.
But Brian Norris, who you're going to talk in just a second, he had a very eloquent speech.
I mean, it really was very impassioned, and it was great.
If you haven't seen it, we'll give you the website in here in a minute.
It's our website.
It's right.
We have it on.
We're going to put it on our website.
But you can go and watch it.
It's about eight minutes long.
We have a minute segment that I want you to watch here in just a minute.
But I wanted to set it up to show you that Brian came down and after they did all their interviews of the people that they had subpoenaed, they allowed the public to come up and speak.
And there were several people that came up, gave their opinion about paper ballots and about this whole kangaroo court kind of atmosphere.
But Brian came up and he spoke.
And Brian, welcome again to the show.
Can you let our audience kind of get an idea of what you relayed?
What was your point when you went down there and talked to these state senators and representatives?
I'd say it's a culmination of frustration and just being generally upset with the direction and the way that I've seen things go in the state of Arkansas.
When I retired from the military, me and my wife, we wanted a Christian, safe, conservative environment to raise our children in.
And after searching the United States, we searched quite extensively.
In all honesty, Arkansas was low on the map at first, but once we started uncovering things, it quickly rose to the top.
And we were excited to move here, start our fam, you know, raise our family and stuff here.
And then we started seeing it wasn't everything that we thought it to be, especially at the political level.
As you alluded to, there's many of our Republican elected officials who are only Republican on paper only.
And that's because they know that they can't win in the state of Arkansas unless they have an R next to their name.
And so our elections are one at the primary.
So they throw the R next to their name.
They run and they Charlie Mike with business as usual.
So when I found out what they were doing to you and the things they were saying were salacious and just completely untrue, we started our own grassroots movement in Independence County full of the majority of the people from our county Republican Party.
We started this all organically.
And in fact, when we did start this, the ballot petition that we had, the title that we had, was given to us from one of the representatives in our area.
I believe it was Wayne Long.
And that's when you first reached out to me and you said, hey, we think there might be some verbiage issue with the petition that you have.
I heard and seen that you have one.
Why don't we swap that one out with the one we had updated from our attorney so that we can just make sure we have the best chance of success?
And so we took that and all I did was I looked at the lay of the land and I came up with a no plan.
I just, here's our go.
We want paper ballots to be on the ballot, to have let people have a choice on it.
What's it going to take to get there?
We had a meeting at the Independence County Library where we divided up the county amongst the precincts.
We divided up the largest city, the county seat, Batesville, amongst the wards.
And we just assigned people to those areas to be the owners of that battle space, so to speak.
And then we coordinated our efforts during times of day, people working, commuting back and forth to maximize when we could capture people being at home and collect signatures.
We slowly began to realize a picture began to develop the more that you do these things, where our best chances of success were to collect signatures.
So we focused all of our efforts on that.
and we ended up collecting 2,500 signatures.
And then to hear our legislature saying that we were all paid for this, and everyone was from out of state, And this is an organization led by Comrade Colonel Reynolds to just have his way and to get the things that he wants.
It was pretty upsetting to me.
So I wanted to go down as a private citizen and set the record straight and let them know that, no, you need to listen.
It's ragnant populace.
The people rule.
That's our state motto.
And you came up with a process.
You did.
The state legislature did.
If we don't like something that we can change it.
So we followed your rules and you moved the GoPost every time.
And when you found out that we were being successful and that we were going to have enough signatures for this to be on the petition or on the ballot, then you sued us.
And first you were going to try to sue us for having out-of-state canvassers.
And then you were like, man, Independence County, they had enough volunteers organic from their county to have the signatures.
So that's not going to work.
So at the direction of the AAC, the Arkansas Association of Counties, you moved to Plan B, which you were hoping to do in 2026, to sue us on the title, the insufficient titling.
Well, thankfully, because we were kind of working with Colonel Reynolds and Restore Election Integrity Arkansas, or otherwise we wouldn't have been able to afford the legal fees that would have followed.
We had a court hearing in Mountain View where Judge Mayer ruled in our favor.
She ruled that clearly, as he stated, that the hand-counted, hand-marked, hand-counted paper ballot title was pretty clear, wasn't misleading.
And we got to have it on the ballot.
She ruled for them to do that in 72 hours.
They complied.
And then they countered, they sued us again all the way to the Supreme Court where we had a decision that went in our favor and we got it on the ballot.
And the citizens of Independence County are going to be able to vote on it this November.
And I think it's important to note what you said about the 15,000 over, you know, that there was 2,400 in Independence County, 2,500.
So that means, you know, there's 12,000 plus citizens in Arkansas whose voice has been disenfranchised because of these elected county clerks not listening to the will of the people and following guidance from a 501c3 organization, the Arkansas Association of Counties, and just dismissing the will of the people and ignoring the ragnut populace and what we're supposed to stand for, which I think is atrocious.
And then they want to sit back and say, you know, it's improper.
It's not fair.
It's not right for you to have out-of-state canvassers come in and collect signatures from people in the state of Arkansas to vote on an issue in Arkansas that they want.
But we're going to collect money from people that are out of state that donate to our campaign funds for us to run for reelections and make laws in the state of Arkansas.
And this organization that owns the voting machines is out of state.
They're from Nebraska.
So you effectively have an out-of-state private company running the elections in Arkansas.
And then they have the audacity to get angry with us for using out-of-state canvassers to collect and help the people of Arkansas institute a policy that they want.
You know, I think it was intellectually dishonest.
I think it was atrocious what they did.
And I wanted to go down there and set the record straight.
Well, there's a lot there to unpack, but I want people to understand a couple of things.
When he says old plan, that's an operational plan.
In other words, they set out a plan to be able to get the signatures in their county.
And 2,500 signatures may not seem a lot to a lot of people out there to a small county.
That is a lot.
And it's not just 2,500 signatures of anybody.
You've got to have people who are registered to vote.
Registered voters.
They've got to be registered voters in the county.
And that's exactly what they went out to do.
And they had the volunteers and they worked hard.
And believe me, in July, it was 104 degrees here in Arkansas.
I mean, it was over 100 for many, many days.
And the dedication that you got to have to do that is incredible.
And I applaud you for your efforts and your team's effort.
You got the number of signatures.
You did what you were supposed to do.
You followed the rules that the state had lined out.
The problem was that the state never anticipated, the legislators never anticipated that people at the county level would take it upon themselves to try to be able to get it on the ballot so that they could vote for their county.
They never thought that because what was happening under Arkansas law, and I know, I don't want to be too much, I'm not an attorney, but I do know this, that one way, there's three ways to get this done.
One is a statewide referendum, which they effectively blocked us on.
The other way is for the quorum court, which is made up of JPs.
It's the administrative body that controls each county in Arkansas.
And it's made up of an executive called a county judge.
He's not a law judge.
But then it's made up of the other JPs who have their districts within that county.
On those in our county, I'd like to point this out.
I'm sorry for interrupting.
No, go ahead.
We had a Republican Party meeting, and the judge and the JPs are all a part of that group.
A vast majority of those JPs and stuff are.
They were all in tenants in this meeting, and we wanted to put forth a resolution that said, no matter what the outcome of the vote is, November 5th, that you will support the will of the people, whether they choose to have paper ballots or they choose not to.
You'll respect that choice, and you won't interfere with it afterwards.
They all 100% voted against that resolution to say that they wouldn't support a decision either way.
Which I think is very telling.
Well, it is very telling.
And we've seen that not just in Independence County, but many other counties, where the JPs that we've talked to, all they wanted paper ballots.
But I'm telling you, after Clebrin County in January of 2023, their quorum court voted to go to paper ballots because you could do that.
The quorum court can do it, or the people could get an initiative and vote on it.
But if the quorum court votes on it, then that's it.
That's the way it works.
Well, they voted on it.
And as soon as that happened, then there's a couple of people who in Arkansas were absolutely against it.
And that was Senator Kim Hammer, who is a termed out.
You've heard Mike Lindell talk about Kim Hammer, one of the worst, what he called worst legislators in America.
Kim Hammer, he's a termed-out senator, so he's not running against for senator.
Okay.
But he was the lead.
He's the guy that pushed through the bills to punish counties if they dared go to paper ballots.
And guess what?
He was able to get Governor Huckleby Sanders to sign that bill to punish counties if they wanted to go to paper ballots.
And so, and he's the guy right now going after this effort along with his sidekick, a guy by the name of David Ray, Representative David Ray, another one.
David Ray, by the way, is the one that was the architect of trying to eliminate our Freedom of Information Act.
He was going to gut it to where we couldn't find out what was going on with the government.
Okay.
There's several bills that he has sponsored, but he was one of the ones that sponsored the bill to try to keep out-of-state people from coming in and working and helping the citizens of Arkansas get a ballot on the get get an initiative on the ballot.
He's not a native Arkansas either, is he?
No, he's not, which I think is quite interesting.
But he's here making laws.
But those are the two people, those are the two that are the leads in trying to destroy anybody that has, that's associated with the paper ballot movement here in Arkansas.
Again, they are fighting the majority of people of Arkansas.
So you went down there, Brian, and you spoke with them.
What was your takeaway from the entire episode last Monday, the 21st?
What was your takeaway?
And one word, disgusting, disgust.
You know, I'm a pretty good read on people.
I've spent, you know, as a senior enlisted guy, you know, soldiers come up to you constantly with excuses, wanting this, wanting that, you know, and you got your alcoholics that are out all weekend long that are missing morning meetings.
You know, you just learn how to cut through and read people.
And it was right off the bat, you could tell that this wasn't proper.
It didn't seem appropriate.
And it definitely seemed one-sided in the directions that they were handling themselves.
In fact, what really cued me on to that is when one of the representatives or senators, I don't know who she was, made a motion to reserve her time to be the one to be able to call the motion in which they've referred this over to charges to the attorney general.
Robin Lundstrom.
Robin Lundstrom.
Why would you make that motion and determination before you've heard testimony from?
I mean, if you just want to even escape with some semblance of impartiality, why would you do that?
Because it was already baked in the cake.
They already had decided what they're going to do.
You'll take it till you make it some, a little bit, you know.
Right, right, right.
Well, that's exactly what they wanted to do.
And part of what we're discussing here, ladies and gentlemen, is there's kind of like a the best term I can say is a cartel-like entity.
I mean, it is a shadow government in a way.
It's called an organization called the AAC.
It's the Association of Arkansas Counties.
And lo and behold, there's one of these in almost every other state.
And it's not just Arkansas.
And they have a national association of counties in Washington, D.C.
And how they're all strung together and how they play in each state's affairs is very interesting because they're not a governmental agency.
They are a 501c3, which means, you know, again, they're not a government agency, but they have tremendous control because under that umbrella, they have the Association of Arkansas Sheriffs, Association of County Clerks, Association of County Tax Assessors.
And what it is, they yield all the power to control every county in Arkansas.
And it is amazing.
And it is the AAC that got involved.
It was the AAC that decided to get involved behind the scenes and kind of help direct these attorneys for these counties on what to do to defeat, to thwart the will of the people.
And so here in just a second, we're going to play a quick clip.
It's a one-minute clip of Brian talking about the AAC.
And then after that, we'll come back from a break and then we'll talk about that.
But right now, I'd like to listen to this from Brian Norris from last Monday.
Now, here's some of the AAC's direct involvement.
On that August 5th email, Hanny forwards another email to Rousselle Edmonds stating the AAC would like to save the ballot title for the next election cycle because every county has had sufficient signatures.
This suggests that the AAC had a game plan of how they were going to game this out and stonewall us to 2024, 2026, and then even further, purposefully standing in the way of what the people want just to have their voices heard.
You're going to investigate them?
You're going to refer charges for them?
I hope so.
I'll come down here and gladly share testimony.
We're back.
The clip that you just saw is a clip that explains and Brian found out through, guess what?
The Freedom of Information Act, the thing that David Ray wanted to kill, and the thing that Sarah Huckabee Sanders brought in a special session in in order to try to pass a revision of that bill, of the Freedom of Information Act, to be able to restrict our ability to find out what's going on in the government.
But what happened was Brian used that, was able to get those emails, and he was able to determine and was able to find out, connect the dots of who actually is calling the shots.
When it should be the people of that county or the clerk or the lawyer, it's not.
It's the people of the AAC.
When we come back for break, we'll talk more about that.
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All right, we're back here talking about Arkansas-centric stuff.
I've got Brian Norse in the studio with me.
Brian is also a veteran as I am.
We fought for our country.
We've paid our dues.
And I think that we've earned the right to be able to speak out.
And I also think that what we're speaking out about is worthy of you listening and you fighting for it too.
We want paper ballots.
We want a secure, transparent way to vote to make sure our vote counts.
Brian, you were just telling us a little bit of story, a little story about when you first went to Kabul and Karzai was getting elected.
So tell us your audience a little bit about that experience and how that impacted what you're doing now in Independence County.
Well, I remember there was a lot of contention going about.
The world was saying that, you know, we're going to install a puppet regime and it's going to be an arm of the United States government.
And so to combat that and get in front of that, I believe it was the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld that came over and like held a speech to everyone before we secured the areas for the election.
And he said, we're going to go with paper ballots so that we can show the world with the most secure, transparent form of a voting process that the United States has not installed a puppet regime.
And it's a legitimate, free, fair election.
And that was the will of the Afghani people reflected.
And, you know, I stood guard outside of one of the polling places in Kabul.
We were just right down the street from the embassy during that time.
And me and my platoon had, I think, two or three different little polling locations.
And I stood there for four days, I believe it was, three or four days, and watched people come in.
They would raise their hands as they were walking in so that we could see that their fingers were not inked.
And then they would go in and vote with a paper ballot, put it in a ballot box, and then they would come out and they would show their hands to us so that we could see that they had dipped their fingers in the ink to prove that they had voted.
And it all went through very well.
There was no issues, no problems.
And when the election results came out, no one doubted it at all.
It was known across Afghan, and even the Taliban didn't doubt the election.
I mean, they were, you know, suicide bombing people.
They were doing everything they could just to keep people from being able to go and vote because they knew that the outcome was going to be legitimate.
And you don't do that stuff if you don't think it's going to be legitimate.
Yeah, well, and I also know that they were threatening, and they also would cut people's fingers off.
Yes, they did.
That's true.
Okay, to try to discourage anybody from voting, but they voted.
They wanted to vote, and they wanted their vote to count.
And that was one way of doing it.
And you knew that they didn't vote twice.
Once they put it in ink, it was done.
And I'm telling you, folks, we got a problem in this country.
There's a whole group of people who are protecting these machines, and it's illogical because you cannot verify them.
The propaganda that they put out, and it's all propaganda by the machine companies, trying to say, oh, there's absolutely 100% accuracy, which is completely wrong.
It's not true.
You don't know.
None of us know.
We can't read barcode.
We have no idea what the final count is.
We don't know.
And when they say they do an audit, it's not an audit.
And I just go on and on.
So what we did was, go ahead.
What it is is that's Arkansas Code 75319 that says specifically that the manner in which the vote was counted the first time is the manner in which the recount has to be done.
So that means that the machines are checking themselves.
That's the Arkansas statute.
And so in Searcy County, which was one that recently did a paper ballot election across their county, they encountered an issue or two.
They haven't done this in over a generation, so there was a learning gap.
And they identified that there was four or eight votes, something like maybe 11 votes max that weren't exactly counted the correct way.
I call that a win because they were able to actually go back through and validate and see the area, correct the error if, in fact, there was an error.
And it didn't affect the outcome of the election.
And so it didn't matter to who won the election per se, but they could find that disenfranchised voter and correct it and ensure that their vote counted if the election was in doubt.
With these machines, you're never going to know because that reader device is proprietary knowledge and we're not allowed to know it.
And it's 100% accurate, they say, over and over and over again.
100% accuracy.
You know, the law that you just talked about, which is very interesting, it's basically a way to keep you from doing hand counts.
They say in order to recount or whatever, to do an audit, you have to run the account.
They do it very cleverly.
The language is you have to recount the way it was originally counted.
They don't say you just have to put it back through the machine.
Okay.
They say it in such a way where you go, oh, okay.
And your average person doesn't really get it.
They don't understand.
It is the machine checking itself.
And obviously, if you put it in once, it's going to count it the very same way again.
Then they say 100% accuracy.
And this is a problem.
This is a real problem.
And particularly here in Arkansas.
When they say they do audits here in Arkansas, it's not true.
What they do is they do spot checks.
And what they do in the general election, they'll take one race.
And in 2020, it was the presidential race and the governor's race in 2020 in the general.
Now, Sarah Huckabee was going to win by 75%.
There was never going to be any reason to cheat.
So of course they could check that and there's nothing there.
And what they do is actually spot check.
One guy, one statistician, a PhD out of Berkeley said, it's kind of like going into a bank.
You go into a bank and you check one drawer.
You say, we're going to do an audit of the bank.
And you go into one branch and you go to one teller and you look at the $1 bills, maybe the $5 bills.
And then you say, they're all there.
We're done.
We looked at it.
We did an audit.
It's all okay.
That's what they use, but they never explain it.
So what happens is the average person automatically thinks the audit is what the IRS would do to you if they came and looked at your business.
They look at all the receipts, all the invoices, how much money you got in the bank.
They would look at all that stuff.
They don't do that in these audits at all.
What they call an audit.
It's not.
And so, unfortunately, it is a dog and pony show that is designed to convince everybody everything is good.
Nothing to see here, nothing to change here.
And that's what they're doing.
And that's why they're fighting us so hard.
You know, I have a saying, you know, if a place has three tanks, four howitzers, a regiment of Rangers all guarding this little bitty shack in the middle of the woods, you know, there's something there.
There's got to be something there.
And that's what we're seeing.
They're bringing out all the big guns to go against any person or any county or any official or any person who wants paper ballots.
It's a strange hill to die.
Something's wrong.
Something's wrong.
Something is wrong.
It doesn't pass the smell test, as we say in the military.
It doesn't pass the smell test.
And so they're using all the tools that are available to them to kill this effort.
So let's talk a little bit more about the AAC because I want to talk about that.
Because you were able to, using the Freedom of Information Act, to be able to get at least a little picture of what was going on behind the scenes when you were trying to get signatures.
Obviously, the county clerk and the attorney had other things going on in the background trying to figure out how they were going to address the eventual packet of signatures that were going to be dropped on their desk.
What did you find out?
Well, we found out that they had a purposeful plan to systematically roadblock us based on the information that they had at the time.
So there were counties that were turning in their petitions early.
We had not yet turned ours in and we used the maximum amount of time. allotted for us to continue collecting signatures.
So they had seen from other counties that were working this petition that there were some out-of-state canvassers.
So the AAC did a template up, an actual template, and they sent it to all the county attorneys.
And I also thought it was pretty interesting how our county attorney was using a private Gmail account to conduct official government business on.
He didn't have, at least to me or from the emails that I saw, he didn't have a public facing email address, which I thought was improper to be conducting official business on as an official for the county of Independence County.
Anyway, we saw that this template said, in fact, here's the verbiage from it.
It appears as though many of the initiative petitions have signature sheets from canvassers that were non-residents of Arkansas.
Those signature sheets were immediately thrown out.
He further states that I anticipate that you, this is an email to our county clerk, will encounter a similar experience.
When you do, this is the letter draft that AAC has provided to me to state that the initiative petition is insufficient due to lack of signatures.
So that was the 501c3 organization informing directly elected officials on what they were to do.
And these people are not elected.
We don't know who they are.
They're not accountable to anyone.
There's no review board on them.
They're getting taxpayer money.
They're telling our elected officials what to do, but we don't know who they are.
And so one of the things that came out is, well, Independence County had enough signatures that were sufficient.
And so then they had to start moving forward.
And there's another thread that informs that the AAC would like to save the ballot title for the next election cycle, meaning 2024.
But since every county has had insufficient signatures.
Now, this was before.
So they didn't, Independence County hadn't turned theirs in yet.
So every county had had insufficient signatures because they tossed out all the ones that were collected from out-of-state canvassers.
And so we're going to save the ballot title issue for 2026.
That way we can keep just pushing this thing down the road.
And this right here shows that this influence possesses a broader scale than what we even realized or initially thought.
And that to me was extremely eye-opening.
Like, not only are you trying to stop us right now, but you're looking so far into the future to ensure that if we dare attempt this again in 2026, you've already got the game plan ready on how you're going to defeat us.
And so in this exchange, Tracy Mitchell, who is our county clerk, she quotes, quote, saying, I am getting my system set up to verify signatures from the Independence County group.
And I want to discuss the wording of the petition page.
The Sharp County Clerk also seeks guidance indicating that they are not independently assessing the petitions, but instead coordinating their approach.
Okay.
So they are working together to coordinate their approach and how they're going to determine that they're going to say that we're not good to go.
And that's the county clerks working with the county attorneys through the AAC to deprive the will of the people of what we want.
Well, I want to take a couple of points that you just brought up there, which is very interesting that our audience, all of you listening, I want you to understand a couple of things.
One, when he talks about the ballot title, it's a ballot title challenge.
When you have a ballot title, you're basically saying, like I said before, it is the handmarked hand-counted paper ballot ordinance of 2024.
That's the ballot title.
And so what they were saying is we don't want to challenge that on this one because we can get rid of all of these challenges based on the signatures of people who came in and set up residence here.
And they were, quote, out of state, so we can just kick them out.
And we'll save that ballot challenge for 2026.
That's what they were saying.
But they had to use it in Independence County because Independence County had signatures from everybody.
They had enough signatures from people who actually lived in that county and have lived there.
But let me explain one thing about these out-of-state petitioners.
Arkansas passed a law, David Ray, Representative Ray, like I talked about before, passed a law saying you couldn't bring out-of-state people to come in and collect signatures.
But under Arkansas law, if you come in and you reside here and you live in wherever, an apartment, a hotel, Airbnb, if you're living here, getting paid here, working here, even if it's a very short time, one or two days, you are a resident.
Nowhere in the law that it said, did it say you had to have a domicile.
The domicile is you can have only one domicile, but you can have many residents.
Okay, you can be the resident of a lot of different places.
A lot of people have homes in Florida, I don't know, Texas, Arizona, whatever, but they only have one domicile that they claim is home.
And in the state law, it never mentions that.
And the Supreme Court in Arkansas has ruled that a residence is where you're at at the time you're there if you're working.
And you're working in Arkansas, that's your residence.
That is what they started kicking out and saying, nope, nope, nope, these people are not residents because they're home domicile.
It's crazy, but that's what they were doing.
And they did that because they want to make it harder for the people to be able to get something on the ballot to vote on.
And that's what you're talking about.
Absolutely.
And I think Ray was pretty upset that you had figured out that loophole in his bill.
I think he was more mad that you outwitted him, you know, so to speak, in a way to get this to happen and call that out.
And that's why they pushed so hard and he seemed so furious in person in front of him when we were there at that thing.
Well, we look at it like this.
Again, just so you know, and I know you just, the term loophole, we don't look for loopholes.
We look for alternative methods.
We're looking for an alternative way because they're trying to block us off.
You know, it's kind of like going down a road and you're going to make a left and they got a roadblock there.
And you go down whatever and you got another roadblock.
So they're saying, nope, you can't do this.
No, you can't do that.
But if we found a little path where we could get our vehicle on and go, it's still an alternate way.
It's still legal.
We did it.
And that's what we did.
And they were very upset by that.
They were angry that we did that and that we were successful in doing that.
Because one thing that we do have now, we know for a fact that the people of Arkansas want this.
They want paper ballots en masse.
Without a doubt.
And we're seeing that right now in Independence County.
And you were telling me a little bit earlier about what was happening with some of the people at the early voting centers.
Can you talk about that just a second?
Yeah, we've had a couple of nice ladies from Arkansas who have been standing outside the early voting locations to educate people as they're coming through about paper ballots if they don't know anything about it.
And they have been treated very untoward, in my opinion.
Some of our officials have been extremely aggressive towards them.
One man came up this afternoon and actually grabbed one of them by the arm and pulled him into them and was accusing them of election engineering and all this.
And that's not true.
They're American patriots, citizens who are exercising their rights under law appropriately and are just trying to educate people and fight for what it is that they believe in.
I mean, at the end of the day, that's what we all should be striving to do.
Let the battlefield of ideas sort through and let the cream rise to the top.
If you don't get, you know, in the Bible, it talks about as iron sharpens iron show one man sharpens another.
If you're never in the arena, your ideas will never get sharpened.
They'll never get better.
And we'll just end up with these mediocre policies and laws that we have now that, you know, are not for the people, but instead are for the rulers.
That's what they want to be at the end of the day to rule over us.
And they think that they have the right to come down and become overbearing to these ladies and get boisterous with them, grab them by the arm and intimidate them to try to leave.
But, you know, these ladies are tough.
Oh, yeah.
They're not leaving.
And they apparently are working all day trying to educate people.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I want to make one point, and I just wrote myself a little note here, okay, because I want people to understand what the real purpose of this Joint Performance Review Committee's meeting was, in my opinion, what they really were trying to do.
The goal was just to make it, to have an excuse to be able to take away the people's right to be able to self-govern, to be able to petition their government and be able to vote on something as simple as how they want to cast a ballot, whether it's by machine or whatever.
This was set up.
They didn't give us a choice on the machines, Colonel.
No, they never got it.
And that's why Independence County is so important right now, because in Independence County, they've got the opportunity to be the first county in the state of Arkansas to be able to vote on how they want to cast their ballot and not be dictated to by the people in Little Rock.
And I've asked this question before.
Are we ruled or are we represented?
It is absolutely clear that we're being ruled right now because there's no way in the world that almost 100% of all the elected officials are in lockstep with each other on this issue completely against the vast majority of Arkansans.
It is impossible unless there is something behind the scene, a hand that is telling them, you're going to do this or you're not going to have a future in politics.
You're going to do this and we're not going to help you get road grants for your county.
We're not going to help you get funding, federal funding for your county.
We know that happened.
That happened in Searcy County.
They were threatening Searcy County.
We know that's what's going on.
So that's why I say that this AAC and the other sister type organizations like it throughout America, that's how they control your county governments.
And that's why we have to look at each one of them.
We need to make sure that these go away or they have strict oversight.
What they really are is an organization that takes money from the citizens.
And in Arkansas, I don't know what it is in other states, but just so you know, in Arkansas, each county gives 1% of their total revenue to the AAC, this association.
This 501c3, it's not even a state agency.
They give 1% of their total revenue to this organization.
They do that automatically.
They don't get to vote on it anymore.
They should be able to have to vote on that every year, whether they want to continue to be part of the AAC or not.
But they're not.
It's automatic.
They really don't get a choice.
And they really don't know how much money they give.
I can't tell you, I haven't found one JP or one county judge yet to tell me, yes, I know exactly how much money we're giving them and have it on it.
Not one.
I haven't found it.
A lot of the JPs didn't even know they were doing it.
They had no idea.
So there's a problem here.
And again, it is somebody behind the curtain, something or someone who is guiding this organization to fight and work behind the scenes to thwart the will of the people.
And this is wrong, and we've got to fix it.
We've got to fix it in some way.
And in your state, you may have the same thing.
I know they have one in Florida.
I know they have one in Arizona.
I know they've got one in California.
You need to look to see about your state, because I'll bet you you have something very similar.
In Arkansas, we have 75 counties.
The model of this organization is 75 counties, one voice.
Who's speaking for them?
This is a 501c3.
As Ryan just pointed out, we don't know who these people are.
We have no idea who they are.
They're not elected, but they are the voice for 75 counties.
That's a problem.
You know, something beautiful that I just thought about is we are Independence County.
And to my knowledge, we're the only county in America that's named Independence County.
And on November 5th, we're going to create independence from ourselves from these machines, which I believe is one stranglehold that they have to inject their will upon us and control us.
And then who knows, maybe the next set of independents we'll get will be separating ourselves from the AAC because something's got to give and it's not going to be us.
Well, I agree with you 100%.
And again, I'll bring up one other thing that's really on my mind.
And it fits in the conversation because it talks about the primaries that we have.
Because in a solid red state, all the experts have told me that if there's any manipulation going on with the machines, which, by the way, you're not going to be able to detect because of the way they're designed, the solid red states, that's where the cheating will occur, is in the primary.
Same thing for solid blue states.
The cheating would occur because that is where your next congressman, senator, governor, that's where everybody is selected.
Because if you've got 75% Republican, whoever the Republican is going to be is going to win in November, right?
So that is what they're doing.
And the primaries are key.
And that is why you have to have closed primaries so that you only have Republicans selecting Republicans.
Do you know in Arkansas, in our state, it is the elite, the establishment, all of these people who are fighting against us for a closed primary.
They want an open primary.
Why would you want an open primary so that someone from the other side could vote?
The reason you have to have that is because then you have a huge pool of people that if you're able to manipulate the machines, this is my opinion, if you're able to manipulate the machines, if you had a finite number of Republicans, and let's say that county's got 1,000 Republicans and candidate A gets 501 votes, there's no way the other person can beat him unless you have an open primary.
They can say, oh, sorry, but it looks like 10 Democrats crossed over and voted in your primary and you lost.
And you'll never know.
The way it's set up, you'll never know.
We've got a minute left, Brian.
Do you want anything else you want to say to the people of Independence County or anywhere else?
I would just like to leave you with this.
I'm one of those people that actually believed in what we were doing in the military and the idea of our country.
And when I watched those Afghanis risking getting suicide bombed and their fingers chopped off and their heads cut off and all these things to just go and vote, and then I come home and I found out that 60% of our Kansans don't go and vote.
And when I was walking around, I asked them why.
They would look me straight in the face and say, because it doesn't count.
It doesn't matter.
And that absolutely crushed me.
So I want to see that trend reverse.
And if you're a Christian, you know, I think it's your duty to go and vote.
You have a theological moral obligation to go and vote, right?
To influence the will of your body politic that is going to be making these decisions and driving the course of your nation.
And they should be courses that reflect what we feel and believe as a people and as Christians.
So go and vote and vote in accordance with your conscience, discern about it, pray about it, and then go and vote.
I agree.
Brian, thank you so much for coming, telling your story and sharing this with our audience.