My name is Rick Weibel, guest hosting for Mike Lindell tonight.
And tonight I have a special guest in from South Carolina, Laura Scharr.
She and I worked on with others in regards to the golds, kind of the election gold standard white paper.
In there, you'll find many different pieces at uscase.org on how to kind of rethink or actually kind of look at elections from a holistic standpoint, because the reality is that our elections are really complicated and they should have never gotten this complicated.
And eventually we'll have kind of a part two to this where we'll be expanding and looking at other things that we've learned during this election season that we have seen because of hurricanes, because of legal battles within the states themselves, and then also kind of what has happened legislatively in the different states.
But the biggest thing that we're seeing is just kind of in the oversight area of the elections themselves, we're seeing major, major gaping holes that need to be rectified.
And so what I love about the team from Texas, South Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, Minnesota, and so many other great states is that we have been doing our due diligence to document each of those issues.
And we're taking action now throughout the United States with the grassroots activities out there.
And some of you out there watching this tonight, you are a lot of unsung heroes out there that have been helping to make sure that this election is going to have good participation.
But with that, Laura, what is happening in South Carolina post hurricane?
How were you and your family impacted in South Carolina?
And what are you hearing about your neighboring states out there as well?
Yeah, so South Carolina, actually, we were affected a lot.
A lot.
We had more people who had lost power than some of the other states.
And we had lost power as well as internet and our cable.
We were only affected for a few days.
And actually, I was supposed to go up to a prepper camp for a few days.
And that was in North Carolina, the area that was affected.
And so we decided we might want to wait and go a little day later.
And as it was, we were blocked from getting out because there were several trees that had fallen down.
And so we decided not to go because we couldn't get out.
And then the house where we were supposed to stay didn't have any electricity.
And that area was horribly affected.
So, and I have friends in that area.
I vacation often in that western North Carolina area.
And what we're hearing is that they were just not warned at all.
The area was so devastated.
The floods were horrific, unlike that area had ever experienced to the point where the mudslides just washed away homes and livestock.
And nobody was coming to help.
And really scary.
A friend of mine was stuck up almost on the mountain for a while.
She was finally able to get down, but many of the roads like I-40 have completely been destroyed, washed away.
And so you have to take more of a circuitous route in order to get to certain, you know, if you want to get to a certain area, it might take a lot longer because these roads are just demolished.
Thousands of people are missing.
The media is not reporting this, Rick.
And this is probably a thing that is so disturbing to me.
I just, I just don't understand it.
I don't understand how we cannot be talking about this 24-7 like we were with Katrina.
You're exactly right.
And when I was in Wyoming and we had kind of seen the stories and I was reaching out to you to kind of find out what the truth was.
And some of the Wyoming folks were starting to get their groups together and they had asked me, you know, it's like, what do we need to do?
And I said, really?
And so when I had a chance to host the Lindell show, I put the call out to all of the parties, Democrat, Republican, to start calling in to the Secretary of States to see what do they need because it really sounds like it is so devastating out there that we're going to have to have flexibility in some of the laws.
We're going to have to have flexibility because some of the people who were in some of these counties, they may not even have a county seat anymore.
It sounds like six of them are completely devastated.
Drop boxes could be lost.
The mail that was in there could be lost.
The roads, as you just pointed out, some of them are absolutely gone.
And so I was recommending start getting the donkeys and the Mustangs ready so that way we could start kind of doing the old Pony Express of delivering ballots, supplies, and everything else.
But talking with you this earlier today, you have a wonderful story that your family has actually helped through an unusual circumstance.
And there were some things about the story that really impressed me.
Number one, the person receiving the aid was surprised that a different generation was willing to step up, which gives us hope.
But tell the viewers about this wonderful story.
This is just absolutely amazing.
This is sort of American.
My son, he's 29 and his wife, they actually own a small plane.
They both have their private pilot's license.
So this is just a hobby for them.
But they decided to take action.
They live in Atlanta and they were just tired of hearing about this awful situation.
And they went by Costco and they purchased 350 pounds of supplies, stuffed their plane to the gill, and they headed over to a small airport in actually on the border of North Carolina.
I think it was technically a Tennessee town.
And when they arrived at that FBO, that particular small airport, the woman there had tears in her eyes and she walked up to them and said, oh my gosh, I am so touched by the fact that there are some young people here who are taking action because the young people nowadays just want to text about things they don't want to do.
And she just was so impressed by the fact that the younger generation was willing to help out.
She mentioned that there were about 500 planes over the last two weeks who had come to provide supplies to that area.
And that she had seen, it was the only reason that their town was surviving.
She had no idea how they would have done what they were doing without the help of these individuals who just took action.
And she said that the government was nowhere to be found.
They had just not seen any support at all from FEMA or from the federal or state government to her knowledge.
And they were actually exhausted.
They were going to take a bit of a break because they had been working for two weeks straight.
And a lot of, like you were saying, with donkeys and the Cajun 80s out there, I mean, we're doing it the old-fashioned way.
And what this really, to me, Rick, underscores is the fact that, and we've learned this, right?
You and I, over the last four years working on election integrity, our government is not, we can't rely on the government to help us.
And I know that that's hard for people to understand because they were really brainwashed and conditioned to think, oh, the government is your friend.
They're out for your best interest.
But, you know, look at COVID.
If you don't understand this now, I don't know when you're going to wake up because since COVID, we were taught then, well, you have to stay in your home.
Some people were forced to take the vax or they would lose their jobs.
We had to wear paper masks.
Come on.
They did nothing.
We had to keep our distance of six feet, you know, in line and all that ridiculous stuff.
And none of that was based on science.
Listen, that was about conditioning and it was about control.
And it taught us all that the government's not necessarily out there for our best interest.
And so we need to learn self-reliance.
We need to get involved with our communities and learn to help our neighbors, know our communities, get involved.
The three branches of government, I'm sorry, they're tone deaf to our needs and the will of the people.
And, you know, stop being spectators out there, start participating.
You're exactly right.
And, you know, I'm not disillusioned anymore about the government.
And I even participated in the government as being a small town mayor in Minnesota, being in the council in Minnesota, now being in the council here in South Dakota.
And you've submitted cases in your state.
They didn't go the way that you expected.
I was part of that case.
And it was really interesting to hear from your attorney, who wonderful, wonderful gentleman, and to hear the sadness in his voice and how he thought that just based upon the evidence and logic, that this was going to be a solid case for him to be able to win and be able to cross the finish line with.
And then to hear his voice and just kind of hitting that wall and that desperation there of just like, I cannot believe what I have just seen.
It's not an exact quote, but that sentiment, I was familiar with it.
I already seen it in Minnesota cases that I was involved in with Susan Chauvin Smith, an attorney there, Jane Voles in Minnesota, and even Minnesota Voter Alliance back in 2019 regarding voter roles.
And then my own journey with my own Secretary of State in South Dakota, that betrayal, the journey where I wrote a bunch of bills.
The Freedom Caucus took a lot of them up.
I wrote 99 bills, left them out there for people to review.
35 were taken into committee.
14 were signed by the governor.
But that wasn't enough either.
And that took South Dakota from not having post-election audits to finally having them, to finally having unique numbers assigned to ballots.
I mean, it kind of moved us up.
But the reality is it's, there is so much that we have to do because the government isn't going to fix it.
Legislators don't understand.
They're not creative when they come into these perspectives.
You and I are weird because we're focused in on elections because we understand that's the gateway of our government.
And when you see how that operates, that is going to set the path forward for the rest of the way that the government is going to operate.
Such as if your elections aren't transparent, your county records, your state records are probably not going to be transparent.
And so this is what I think you and I have jointly seen where we look at this logic here.
You're an MBA, correct?
Yes.
Yeah.
And so you're business-minded, where it's like you're a very logical person, where it's just like you produce X and it will cost you Y, and you should be able to get a Z profit out of it.
And so when we look at formulas like this, we have a law, we have common sense, we should be able to agree on this.
And that's not what we're seeing.
No, we're not.
And you're right, because that what happened was we lost a lot of confidence in our system when our in our executive branch, in our legislative branch, and then in the judicial system.
And I think we were able to show through our, you know, our work on that case that you were involved in that none of those people in those branches of government in South Carolina cared about election transparency.
And we had gone through at the three judges before we got to the fourth judge, and they all agreed that this case should proceed.
We were all ready to go to court.
We had a thousand pages of plus of evidence and information that was extremely compelling that made our case.
And it was ignored.
It was dismissed.
And then when the other side wanted a motion to reconsider, the judge just considered and basically ruled in their favor without looking at any of our evidence and just saying, I don't need to look at the evidence.
I just decided because our AG said this opinion is, he looked at the AG opinion and said, well, since there's opinion out there, I'll just rule in favor of the defendant.
And it was so unfair because we weren't able to provide our evidence in court.
And we just, it just, we felt sick.
And I think that's what you were experiencing from the lawyer.
He was shocked, as I was.
And I think all the people in our state who really supported that lawsuit and gave their money and they were shocked as well.
But it was something that woke us all up.
I think it's another, you know, data point where it's expanding the awareness of the people that, hey, they don't care.
They don't care about you.
They don't care about the vote transparency.
They don't care about your health.
You know, there's a common theme here.
And it's concerning.
And you and I, we have been working so hard on this, Rick.
I know you have spent a lot of your own personal funds countless hours as I have.
We have been rabid about this topic because, like you said, elections really are the gateway to everything else in your government.
If you want to fix CRT, then you got to fix elections.
If you want to, you know, fix trafficking, you got to fix elections.
If you want to fix, you know, whatever, whatever topic it is, it all depends on who you're electing.
And if you can't elect decent people who care about what the people care about, and that's the problem.
We have an upside-down pyramid.
The people are not, they don't care.
It's South Carolina in particular is run more like a parliament and they're going to do what they want to do.
And for example, in our state, there's not one official in charge of elections who's elected.
They are all appointed.
And that just tells you, same thing with our judges.
So that just tells you everything.
And we need to get back to elections, not selections.
And although you and I have spent, you know, probably the two of us combined over $200,000 of our personal funds.
And, you know, like I said, countless hours working on this, people out there can do something.
It can't just be us.
It can't just be a few people.
Like I said, this is not a spectator sport.
Your government should be something that you participate, even if it's just to keep your eye on it and stay educated on the topics.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
And one of the things I really think many of the legislators in South Dakota, where they actually took some of the bills that I wrote, they would rewrite them, you know, based upon their values.
Some of them were weaker, some of them stronger.
And then, of course, other softer Republicans would write a weaker bill to contradict, which was fine because at least the idea was out there and we got it discussed.
And one of the things that really humbled me is when one of the legislators asked me to give, introduce the bill, but then also do the rebuttal for them.
And so I was able to kind of do that.
And it was so humbling and such an honor to be able to do that for the legislator.
And then over time, other legislators were asking me election integrity questions and also Jessica Palmea.
And even now during this election cycle, we finally have legislators, not a lot of them, you know, less than a handful, that are actually earnestly asking decent questions about, hey, what are you seeing with this?
What are you seeing with the early absentee?
What are you seeing with the mail forwarding?
And the beauty of what Jessica is doing in South Dakota and the South Dakota canvassing and so many other great volunteers is that they have stepped up.
And so I really want to provide hope out there for so many states that there are leaders like us out there and so many others.
Please connect with them, help them out.
We need your help more than ever.
And especially if the party is failing, there are leaders like us that can point you into a direction of some of the research that we're still doing behind the scenes.
For example, I shared with you last week that I did a little data analysis on 10,000 addresses in South Dakota, looking back at the NSUA for 30 years.
And we found out that basically for South Dakota, only 35% were a match and the rest were all over the board, where another 40%, those people had moved and weren't at their original address.
And you did something similar in your state.
What were some of the early results that you found out?
I think the result that was concerning to us was that out of a database of around 3.6 million registered voters, in honor of voter rolls, there were about 363,000 who had not voted 10 years plus.
Their date last voted was 10 years or more.
And that shouldn't be because our state law actually is quite stringent and it's more stringent than the federal law and the National Voter Registration Act.
And basically, it says that if they don't vote within two election cycles, general election cycles, they have to remove them from the lists.
So if they haven't shown up and you and they've a lot of them, like you had said, when we looked at the sample, had moved, well, why are they still on our list?
They should be gone.
So that was concerning to me for sure.
And, you know, you're right, Rick.
There are some people like you, myself, each state.
You know, there are some good, hardworking people working on election integrity.
And I think, I don't know about you, but I think that recently people are starting to really take notice of what's going on because my gosh.
This has been, I mean, people say a red October.
I call it a dark October.
My bingo card is full.
Like everything is happening.
Conflict in the Middle East.
There's the continuing tensions between Ukraine and Russia.
You've got bird flu and other, you know, emerging pandemics that people are worried about.
Now it's the China-Taiwan tensions, assassination attempts, internet, you know, and settle hacks and outages, solar flashes.
And people really are worried.
And of course, the hurricanes and people are really worried about how does this impact the election?
And should I vote early?
And of course, you and I have a lot of discussions about that.
And there's so much misinformation right now.
And one of the things I'm really concerned about is the people like you and I have worked so diligently on these topics for so long.
We're just not getting heard.
And instead, these influencers come in who really are not dealing with it on a daily basis, maybe don't know as much as you and I. I'm not saying we're like, I mean, you're, we are experts in our own right.
You know, we've become by osmosis subject matter experts.
And you have people out there that are giving very bad advice about these topics, but people are worried and they need good information.
And, you know, I think it's important that we deal with this whole early voting issue because it's being pumped and propagated out there, like, oh, you got to go out there and vote as early as you can and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm very concerned about that.
It's, in my opinion, very bad advice.
I don't care who says it.
You and I both know that this is the way, it's the gateway for cheating.
It's where they do the fraud, particularly mail-in voting.
You might as well put, you wouldn't put cash in an envelope and mail it out and expect it necessarily to get somewhere.
Your vote is even more precious than cash.
It's your voice.
Why are people voting by mail?
I know there's a lot of mail-in balloting states and such, but if that's the case, hand deliver your ballot to your election office and do it as late as possible.
In South Carolina, we do not have mail-in voting, but we do have absentee voting and early voting.
And I would say to everybody, take your voting seriously.
It's election day, not election month.
Show up in person for crying out loud and do it on election day if you can.
And if you absolutely can't, then do it as late as you can in person, but in person.
And if you're in a state where they mail out the ballots, then deliver it to your election office as late as you can.
And please don't use it.
And you're exactly right, because when we look at chain of custody issues, the whole early absentee mail-in voting creates all of these vectors where chain of custody is just completely blown away.
And so those folks that voted early in North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, and let's say those election offices were wiped off the face of the map.
Now what happens to those ballots?
You know, so what happened to the ballots that were sitting there?
There's no chain of custody.
This is the problem.
It's gone.
It's even worse, Rick.
This is what's killing me.
This is what's killing me.
They're now predictive programming, right?
They're going out there and saying, Well, hey, guys, we might not be able to count that vote on time.
So you better be willing to wait, like, I don't know, maybe a few days, maybe a few weeks, maybe a month.
I mean, this is silliness, right?
Because the whole point of the Help America Vote Act, which was instituted in 2002, was we can't have those hanging chats.
We can't have an election that's hung up for a month like Bush B. Gore was.
We are going to have computers and they're going to be so awesome because they're quick and they're accurate.
You can get that count on election night.
And you don't have to worry because there's error-free.
And we all know that's not the case.
And you know, Rick, that you know that the hand counting can actually pick up the errors that the machine missed.
And we know through our white paper, like you mentioned, the gold standard, gold standard elections, and we also have goldstandardelections.com, that we can do this process.
We can simplify it with paper, pens, and people.
And we can do it efficiently if we keep precincts to a decent size.
We keep the races to a decent size.
And we have, we know that there are people that are willing to do that, that come to their precinct to count the ballots.
And we've developed a great method as a team.
We've tested this out in multiple states because it's very doable.
So when they say you can't do it, it's too hard.
It takes too long.
There's too much error.
No, We can do it.
And we actually just sent you a photo earlier, late last week, of the Wyoming Secretary of State and Deputy actually looking at our hand count process with Wyoming trainers there from Sheridan County that actually came to the office and showed them the whole system and they actually participated.
And so I really want to give a shout out to Chuck Gray and his Secretary of State office there in Wyoming for being open to it because here's the reality.
It creates a benchmark for a disaster recovery plan.
And so just like you pointed out, where government may not be there to help us with these storms, especially the hurricanes that you've just experienced.
And we see that your son and other great people were helping that town out to basically give them a leg up.
This is why I'm calling on all parties to go ahead and learn how to do hand counting.
We should take that responsibility as political parties and train our own members how to do hand counting.
And I think one of the next things that we needed to change in all of our states, just like what Wyoming has, they actually have a requirement that the party chair of each county has a list of election judges, hand counters, and then alternates always available.
So that way they turn that into the county auditor or the election clerk so that they always have the list ready to go.
And so I think this is going to be one of the fundamental law changes that we should be doing in the rest of the 49 states if they don't have this type of law in place.
And Wyoming, we should probably move your date up a little bit earlier so that way we have a 90-day note deadline that we give this list to the election official of the county before every election.
So that way they have the backup disaster recovery plan.
If you don't have enough election judges, guess what?
You have the alternates.
If you don't have enough hand counters, you have the alternates.
And I think the party should be training people how to do the hand count process within their state.
And that way they're always ready to go.
Because we should be supporting our auditors in this way.
And one of the other things I want to kind of ask all election officials, and I'm really sorry that I kind of commingle elected official, county auditors, and clerks, because depending on the state that you're in, they could be one and the same when it comes to elections.
So I will try to use the more generic term of election official.
We really need to support our election officials so that way they're not always kind of left flailing on their own.
I did an interesting experiment over, well, it started last week.
Leah Anderson of Minneha County gave me her sample test deck from ESNS, which basically had the one to max selected for all of the races.
And I was like, you know, let's see if we can redo kind of the U.S. case recommendation of the prime numbers and split the ballot in half.
So that way, all of the constitutional officers and races within the state would be one set.
And then all of the initiatives would be another set.
So an A and a B side.
And that would, so that meant that the number would, the numbers on the ballots would only be repeated twice, once on the A side, once on the B side.
And so that was able to help us keep it limited to 50 ballots.
But here's the really bad part of this: a team of seven of us, it took us four and a half hours to basically process 11 precincts.
She has 90 precincts to do.
And so that really makes it untenable to actually do a thorough enough logic and accuracy test on one ballot style.
And that is the standard ballot.
We hadn't even touched the express vote machine yet, which has several inputs and one ballot style printed out.
And so this is going to be kind of a call out for all of the election officials is please engage your disability community to come in and help you test all of the disability devices.
I don't think that's happening well enough throughout the states, and especially in the rural areas where they may not have a person with disability that is able to come in and actually help.
And so Rick, I mean, what you're saying here, and this is the important thing for people to understand because they probably don't, you're talking about logic and accuracy testing, and you're talking about how these election officials should be able to prepare these test ballots for the test.
And the logic and accuracy testing is what ensures that these machines are fine, they don't have any problems, they're accurate, and it's supposed to follow the law.
And so what you've done is you developed a system where, hey, here's a way that you can construct these tests where we can make sure that these are in fact accurate and the candidates can feel confident, voters can feel confident.
The problem is that you're bringing up this system, which is complex, complicated, hard to understand, has multiple moving parts, multiple people involved, multiple phases of the chain of custody, et cetera.
God bless the election officials.
They have a hard job and it's hard for them to get this done.
So the point is, once again, we put Hava in Help America Vote Act so it could be easier, simpler, quicker, more accurate.
But what you're saying is it's actually more complicated and it actually takes a longer time.
And these poor officials had so, they have to test every one of these machines for every ballot style, for every type of ballot, both absentee and you're in person with a disability and such.
It's super complicated.
If we could just kiss it, keep it simple, stupid, right?
We could go back to basics.
And that's what our white paper, The Gold Standard Elections, does.
It basically says, let's take the entire process, all four steps, the registration, the validation, the marking and counting, and the reporting.
And let's completely rethink it and re-engineer it.
And let's get it down to its simplest basic components so that Everybody has an easier job.
The election official, the voters trust it more.
The states feel like they don't have to spend as much money on the machines.
We need to get back to basics here.
This is the problem.
And I don't know that everybody understands this, Rick.
You're exactly right.
And I'll give, after the commercial break, I'm going to give the viewers an example of what I witnessed in Campbell County, Wyoming.
I think it will shock you and it will create a little bit of disillusionment, but there's still a chance for Campbell County, Wyoming to fix it before the election.
So let's go ahead and take a break, and we'll come right back.
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I'm with Laura Schar of South Carolina, and I want to get to that story about Campbell County.
And what's really interesting, and Laura, you haven't seen this before, and so your state's a little bit different because you are also an ESNS state.
South Dakota is an ESNS state.
Minnesota, 78 of 87 counties are ESNS.
And then Wyoming is also 100% ESNS.
And in Minnesota, and actually most of Wisconsin too is ESNS.
So in Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Dakota, and Wyoming, we typically will use a paper-filled out ballot with the ovals as a majority of our voters.
And then the disability community will use the express vote touchscreen process.
And I believe you guys kind of do it the other way, which is your early absentee mailout uses the hand-filled out ballots with the ovals.
But then when your voters vote in person, they use the touchscreen of the express vote.
Do I have that correct?
Okay.
So this, so I just kind of want to set the stage.
And so when we look at the ballots themselves, the ballots with the ovals, I term those as the standard ballot.
And then the other one I label as the express vote ballot or barcode ballot.
And so when I was there two Thursdays ago in Campbell County, I actually watched the clerk test 37 precincts, so 37 ballot styles.
Their state law is pretty clear that every candidate is supposed to have a different vote within a contest, and no candidate can have a zero vote.
And then the certificate that they sign outlines that they have thoroughly tested the three ballot styles: the ballot printed by printer in capital letters, which would be the vendor before the election, then the ballot on demand printer.
So that would be an on-site printed ballot, and then the ballot cards, which come from the express vote systems.
Okay, so kind of laying, and they actually label it as express vote systems.
And so, based upon that, what is interesting is that we end up getting a situation where we actually watched the election clerk and her staff.
They originally had 30 ballots for each of the precincts.
They each took a ballot out from the stack, went over to the express vote, used that as a template to cast a ballot on the express vote.
They then took the express vote ballot and put that on top of the stack of 29, and took the 30th ballot and put that into a separate pile.
Let's see if people understand what happened here.
So, I'm going to show this quick screen here.
And what's interesting is that we're looking at the test report here, where it shows that there was combined between that one lowly little express vote ballot and 29 standard ballots, that there was one vote for Trump, two for Harris, three for Oliver, four for the write-in.
So, what if we go a little bit closer into the examination, we will see on the express vote ballot there, the first line underneath the barcodes, that's where the Trump vote is, which tells us very clearly that on the stack on the right, the Trump vote was not selected.
Even though we see Trump is selected at the top on the ballot on the right, but we also see writing is selected, and that's one of the overvotes.
So, the Trump singular vote on the ballots on the right was not tested, which is a violation of their state statutes and a violation of common sense.
Because when we go back over to the express vote ballot, we will see since that's the only one, that means the other four positions or the other three positions were not tested.
So, Kamala Harris was not tested, Oliver wasn't tested, and write-in wasn't tested.
Now, what gets even more disgusting and disconcerting is when we start looking at the bottom of the ballot where there's all the judicial retention and also the referendum, all the yes votes are on the disability ballot, the express vote ballot, and not on the standard ballot.
So, this tells us that this was not properly tested.
And so, when we sit here and we look at the two buckets here between the certification of the equipment by the EAC and the ability of the clerks to run the equipment and follow the law, we clearly see in Campbell County they failed because that just completely defies logic and common sense and also their laws to basically properly test the machines.
Now, in their state law, I believe that not one county in our country is properly testing these machines.
Well, I'm going to have to support your argument.
Not for the ones you've worked with.
No, actually, oh, yeah.
I mean, right now, Minnehaha County is the only one so far that is able to do it because of the hard work that Leah Anderson has done and her staff, her wonderful staff there in the department has really stepped up.
You know, the Democrats and the Republicans there in her department really want to do a good job.
And they are.
One of the ladies actually came in over the weekend when I was helping Leah and we had our team of volunteers sitting there filling out the ballots.
One of the employees came in as well and she was there doing some extra work after hours too, not with us, but she was doing additional work for the elections and other paperwork.
And so, and there's also other good auditors out there too, like Doug DeBoer of Hand County.
He tries to do a good job of testing out there in South Dakota.
And I even did the daily absentee, and I see that he's working on Saturday and Sunday processing absentee ballots where a lot of other auditors are not doing that in the state of South Dakota.
So, I mean, there are some heroes out there, but the overall feeling is that it is a mountain of work for them to do to do it correctly.
And the system is built to fail.
I want everybody to understand that.
These systems are built to fail.
There is no way, there is absolutely no way that even a single auditor or election official in a small county where they have one precinct could actually have enough time to properly test the one ballot style for the precinct and then all of the different inputs of the express vote machine to make sure that that thing is calibrated right.
Now we start looking at states where they have multiple languages.
So that's different ballot styles as well to make sure that that is correct.
And then think about express vote device.
That's crazy.
And the multiple languages in the express vote system with all the different language requirements that are recorded.
And we're saying that they've got it right.
No, they're actually lucky that they're able to conduct the elections.
And this is why I'm such a proponent at this point in time.
We have to go to 100% post-election audit of all ballots for the 2024 election.
I think we just say it right now, file any lawsuit that is out there and just say, look, we know you can't properly test this based upon the evidence that you're seeing here tonight.
We have already seen 23 of 23 counties in Wyoming fail the logic and accuracy test during the primary election in Wyoming.
And already the five that have come in have already failed the general election.
I'm telling you that right now.
All the ones that I have seen from South Carolina, your own county that you sent me already for the general election, they failed.
The ones from Texas that I've seen already, they failed.
The ones from Minnesota, all of them failed.
The ones from Wisconsin, they all failed.
I haven't seen the ones from South Dakota yet, but they're going to be coming in pretty soon.
And let's just say the forecast isn't looking good right now.
I have not seen one successful one yet.
And here's the point, Rick.
So let me tell you a story.
They did the logic and accuracy testing in one of my counties here in South Carolina and never tested one of the candidates' names.
So he has no clue whether it accurately counted in our county for him when he was running for sheriff's position.
He was so upset after he found out because, you know, there have been situations.
And actually, it happened to me when I went in to vote for the primary.
When I went to go vote, it actually kept kicking when I pressed on a name and I pressed on his name actually and it jumped to the other candidate.
And so this is a kind of glitch that people don't always catch.
So the whole point there is people, I like to say it's like the Wizard of Oz, right?
The man behind the curtain.
Everybody wants to say, trust the machines.
They're so perfect.
Don't worry.
And then, but when you look, when you peek behind that curtain, what the heck?
It's like all smoke and mirrors.
And when you and I dig behind that curtain, we're like, wait, guys, hey, look, it's not real.
And everybody's like, no, it's okay.
And Ledger's like, no, don't worry.
And so this is where you and I are trying to show people, hey, this is the guy behind the curtain.
This is a broken system.
The candidates can't trust it.
The people can't trust it.
So why?
Why?
And I love your idea of we got to do 100% hand count audit because not only do we know that the machines might not be accurate, but we don't even like in South Carolina, the in-person ballots, they're barcoded.
I can read barcode.
I don't know that it was what I put down on that ballot was, and they won't let me take a cell phone in to test it to see if it was correct.
So I have no idea how my vote was counted.
You have no idea how your vote was counted.
So therefore, we are not following our Constitution, certainly not in the state of South Carolina.
Right.
And many state constitutions are similar to South Carolina.
Wyoming is similar to yours about the way that the ballots are supposed to be counted.
Yeah, there's supposed to be some secrecy there, but the overall supposed to be on paper, that's missing in so many states and in conflict.
We have a conflict in my constitution where we're supposed to vote in the precinct that we live in, but yet we have vote centers, you know, and that's just a complete affront and it makes the elections even worse.
And so your earlier point about making sure that the precincts are an imaginable size, 2,000 or less, and then making sure that everybody is voting in their precinct so we don't have extra ballots all over the county for that one precinct helped maintain the chain of custody.
And I'm sorry, you and I have had this discussion so many times where it's like, I'm sorry, I'm totally done with absentee balloting.
Yes, if you look up the voter rules, you'll see that I voted absentee because I know I'm not going to be around during election day because I'm going to be helping so many candidates.
So I voted in person at my county with the wonderful ladies.
They're already waiting at the desk.
And in Brookings County, they do such a great job there.
And so I trust my officials.
I trust the team there.
But I wouldn't do it in Minnesota because they don't have bipartisan absentee ballot boards.
And so that is a whole nother risk area that I just have a lot of trust issues.
Now, let's think about this.
Do you know anybody in your life that celebrates New Year's Eve on a different day?
Why?
Not that I know.
Yeah, we normally say it's New Year's Eve.
And as soon as, you know, at the end of the night, we want to see it change into the new year.
And that's how it works.
Right.
And so we need to treat our elections with that same respect.
And I think if we were to do that as a country, we would actually see better changes.
I'm already afraid of some of the language that's coming out already from national talk show pundits where they're saying we may not know election results for days.
Are you kidding me?
I call Bull.
That's the same thing.
I call Kaka.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, and they're already pointing to Arizona.
They're pointing to Florida.
They're pointing to your state.
They're pointing to North Carolina.
And they're like, it's going to be the usual suspects, like Michigan and some of these other states.
And it's just like, okay.
But it's because of the mail-in ballots.
So don't mail your ballots and vote in person.
You're exactly right.
And we already see cases being designed once again to try and extend the ability of ballots to arrive late because of this excuse that the National Secretary of State's already put out the letter to the U.S. Postal Service saying, hey, we recognize that this is a problem.
So obviously they're trying to build a case around this to try and do it open.
But the reality is that most of the state statutes out there say it is the responsibility of the voter to make sure they get their ballot in time.
So with all this gaslighting that's already happening, I'm sorry.
Please do the right thing.
Show up on election day, show up in person, bring a lawn chair if you need to.
Be patient and vote and help somebody.
Bring a lawn chair.
Bring a friend.
Exactly.
Right.
And actually, Laura, you're exactly right.
Bring a friend.
Schedule times to drive other people who may not be able to get out and vote.
The other encouraging thing that I have heard also on the news is that the Republicans are actually doing a good job in closing the gap in new registrations.
So during the 2020 election in a couple of the states, there was an eight-point margin between Republicans and Democrats in registrations.
Now in some of those states, it's down to 4%, 3%, 2%, and dead even.
So I want to make sure we keep the pressure on.
Let's get everybody out there to vote.
Dan Bongino is absolutely right.
You grab your mom, your dad, your neighbor, and Johnny Bag of Donuts, and you get out there and you make sure that they vote.
And for those who can't stand in line, there's curbside voting.
You don't have to vote by mail.
You can drive up and vote curbside.
The other thing I really think is important is people always look for action plans and what can I do.
And like, you know, people can't do all that you and I do, but vote, vote on election day, encourage others to vote, like we've said.
Canvas your neighborhood and ask people, you know, to get out and vote.
Drive people to the polls.
But most importantly, educate yourself on these candidates.
Do not just say, well, there's an R or D, and I always vote R or D. Look at their voting record.
Look at their websites.
I think it's so important that we take more of an active approach in our government and educate ourselves on not just the candidates, but also the education processes.
You don't have to be as well-versed as Rick and I, but at least go and observe your logic and accuracy tests.
And you'll see what the things that Rick is talking about.
Go and watch the absentee process of signature verification and tabulation.
You will never vote absentee again if you observe that, I assure you.
You know, you're exactly right.
And also make sure that we're using social media in a positive way to get people to get out there and vote.
Encourage them to vote and also be a poll watcher.
Help support a candidate or even a party and be out there to make sure that the process is right.
Make sure that if you are a person that likes to ask a lot of questions, don't do a lot of that during the election day because some of the election officials may take offense to that and remove you.
Try to keep your questions limited and try to educate yourself before you walk into the door.
But if you see something, say something.
If it's something bad, make a note of it and say something to the overall, you know, whoever's in charge at the polls.
And that's exactly right.
And if they don't hear you there, go ahead and send an email to the county party chair or the state party chair or the candidate who may have been impacted by that.
Or if there's somebody else there that has a little bit more experience, share your notes with them.
But we really want to encourage you to get out and vote.
This is so important that your voice be heard.
And even if you don't like any of the candidates and you just want to turn in a blank ballot, do it.
Get out and vote.
Even the blank ballot counts because then at least we know we shouldn't be removing you from the voter rolls.
So please get out and vote.
Encourage other people to vote.
This is such a great election.
There's a buffet of candidates out there to support.
And in many states, there are so many issues out there impacting their initiatives, their constitution, and even their state laws.
So please get out and vote.
This is the year to educate yourself.
You got three weeks.
Learn what you can.
Stay awesome.
Thank you so much, Laura.
And thank you, Apollo.
Thank you again, Mike Lindell, for such a great platform.