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The Lindell Report | 7 October 2024
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You ever see this guy with the pillows on Fox?
My Pillow Guy, Mike Lindell.
He is the greatest.
The My Pillow Guy, Mike Lindell.
And he's been with us right from the beginning.
Somebody has to help this country, and if they don't, the country and the world are in big trouble.
Someone's gotta overturn the tables in the temple.
Trump jumping into the presidential race.
She's a bit worried.
Of the apprentice guy?
You know the feeling of power.
Could you handle it or would it devour?
They fear that power.
You didn't do an insurrection.
Had you called for one, there would have been one.
And there would be one if you called for one now.
I'm not sure I want that power.
I want the power just to make the country better.
America first! And that scares them.
A lot about Donald Trump scares them.
Let's look at everything. Campaign, his family.
Let's get foreign eyes on him.
We have one target.
You know who he is. Going after their companies, their families.
That is a dictator.
It's a very dangerous time for our country.
The goal is to put him in jail because they're so afraid of his voice.
I am your voice!
We'll bury him so deep and legal, it'll bankrupt him.
Broke Donald in jail right before the election.
Sorry for being that guy, but isn't that election interference?
It's not interference if we do it.
We just want a free and fair election.
Sounds expensive. Ballots ain't cheap.
Wait, wait, wait. Did you actually say the word buy the ballots?
We were able to purchase 10,000 ballots.
That's terrifying. They cheat in many different ways.
That's all they're good at. Ready to save democracy?
We need to stop him permanently.
And that person will be risking his life.
Too bad it's not the 60s, right?
It's the win you survived.
I said, get me up.
Trump has beaten back every attack against him.
He's like the damn Termini.
We're going to fix our borders and we're going to fix our elections.
We're going to win. This is my legacy.
Vendicating Trump. The best is yet to come.
Only in theaters September 27th.
Good evening. I am Rick Weibel and I am here substituting for Mike Lindell.
So gracious of him to throw the baton to me again tonight, and I am happy to get you more information here tonight.
I've got a great guest tonight, an old friend of mine, Eric Van Mecklen, who will be joining us in just a moment.
But some immediate things that we need to talk about is, number one, if you are watching this show and you are not registered to vote, Please get out there and register to vote because you are running out of time.
Tomorrow in some states may be your last day.
You may live in a state that allows same-day registration, but regardless, go check what your state laws are.
Go get registered. Make sure you are ready and that you have a plan to register.
Vote either early because of a situation that you may be in, or at least if you're going to vote early, vote in person, absentee, don't mail it in, especially in these poor states that are facing such huge and unusual circumstances that are out there.
We are going to talk about, of course, the big elephant in the room.
We have a category five hurricane that is coming towards the U.S.
just on the back of another hurricane that is still, we've got power outages still all over in North Carolina,
some parts of South Carolina, and also in Florida and other states.
And so our hearts and prayers go out to these areas.
It is unfortunate that FEMA and Joe Biden are asleep at the wheel,
and I'm so grateful for Governor DeSantis to step up and actually send some of his National Guard up into North
Carolina and emergency personnel up there to provide support.
But now we have to get ready to continue to support our election officials,
all of our families out there, all of the voters, and our fellow countrymen and women that are out there.
And we're going to have to step up even more to make sure that this election does happen.
Eric, you are a patriot that I had met in 2021.
You attended one of my events, I believe in Dakota County, and it was one of the largest events that we had in Minnesota where we kind of highlighted a few things that kind of stuck with you, but it That was kind of the start of my journey in Minnesota with some of the presentations that I had, but it also kind of created a spark in you that was already there and you have even managed to write two of these books that are behind me, kind of documenting your experience and what you've learned in Minnesota.
I'm a small part of those books, but there are so many other heroes that are part of that book.
And you ask a lot of the good questions about the machines, the processes, and everything else.
So, Eric, I kind of met you and it was...
Your stylistic way of writing, and especially through emails and our early conversations in your substack, I really appreciate the way that you actually would write more than the media in Minnesota.
And some of the things that you did afterwards compelled you to take some actions that were pretty significant and some lessons learned.
So, Let's talk more about what you learned at that event in that first presentation.
For sure. Thank you, Rick. I was definitely humbled when I attended that.
That was October 21 when we first met.
And I think from there, you supported me when my friend Andre suggested I run for Secretary of State, which was later.
That was in 2022, where I continued to learn about The political process, but more importantly, about how big a problem we are in from the perspective of elections.
But it was really that 2021 meeting between you and I that kickstarted my learning process because I learned how naive I was about this area.
And that was even while having lived in communist Beijing when I was 17, 18 years old.
And having seen George Floyd only 18 blocks away from where I live, to then it take until 2021 for me to really get curious and roll up my sleeves to learn from someone like you and others who I would meet along the way.
So the two pieces that stuck out to me from that event were that there were 700,000 missing, I refer to them as missing absentee ballots within the Secretary of State data.
And that was already about 25 days after the election.
It already certified it.
And the other piece that stuck out to me, which I think gave me a sense of your level, was that you had hacked into the No Inc.
pole pads as a mayor when you were the mayor of St.
Bonifaceous in 2016 and then declined to take on that contract.
And there's pole pad discussions that are happening to this day, since that's one of the vectors of cheating that can occur.
That we've learned. But yeah, it was pivotal.
I really learned that. I had a lot to learn when we first met.
But I'm curious if you could unpack that 700K number a bit, because it's still one of those numbers that to me, like this should be front page.
It should have been front page from Minnesota News at that point.
I don't know if any news has ever covered it.
It's almost four years later.
And I know that the Secretary of State's office has tried to downplay this.
And I think that, for me, the biggest learning of where we are now, and that's why I'm wearing this shirt, Project Apario, we can talk about that later, is about the information warfare aspect of this, where so much of, whether it's the programming that has come at us...
Really military-grade programming from decades.
But then when we get to the specifics of, hey, there's some data that I want to touch.
And I actually don't even know if I've looked at that specific data that you've discovered with that 700,000.
So it gets to this problem of how can we trust Rick or Eric?
We're just two talking heads at the end of the day, if you never met us.
So where's the source that we're looking at?
And then how can that be disseminated when we're facing so much censorship?
So anyway, I was curious if you could dig into that 700K and maybe explain to those Minnesotans specifically of what that means.
And then we can jump into maybe a bit about Dakota County, because I think that's relevant as well to this.
I'm willing to play here.
And so since I haven't had an opportunity to be interviewed, Eric, I'm going to accept the challenge as your friendly host because I like to have the two-way discussion because it isn't about me.
It's not about you. It is about the audience.
And so the question that Eric starts out with is, how would you arrive at the 700,000 absentee ballots not connected to a voter?
So we had, the Minnesota Voter Alliance had purchased the database November 29th, 2020.
And so this is five days after certification in Minnesota and 25 days after the election.
And so when I looked at one of the statutes in Minnesota law, it says specifically that when an absentee ballot is received, it must immediately be entered into the statewide voter registration system.
The other thing that is very interesting is that there's a 2019 case, Minnesota Voter Alliance versus Secretary Simon, where in there, Secretary Simon details all of the fields that are available in the database.
He also talks about, and the state law says it's supposed to be one centralized database, not a bunch of subsystems.
That's not described in there.
And so, but what we've come to learn is that there are potentially three separate databases.
One for the main voter registration, one for absentee, and then one for in-person voting.
What's interesting is that when we look at the voter database, it's supposed to have all the history there.
And we later come to find out in 2021, there's this feature where they're supposed to click the button and it transfers the data from What we also find out is that some counties like Chippewa County, who are phenomenal superstars when it comes to election integrity and clarity of their data, They're clicking on the button pretty much right away.
And so when I look at the 2020 data, Chippewa County has pretty much 100% reporting.
So does some other counties.
They're in the high 90s.
So it's pretty explainable.
But then I end up with a bunch of these, you know, even Hennepin County is pretty close.
But then I end up with these counties like Dakota County, Carver County, that are just way out there in tens of thousands of absentee ballots that are not connected to any voters.
And so for candidates, how are you supposed to validate the roles?
How are you supposed to validate the elections when the state law says must immediately?
And so why would there be a delay in a temporary database to the history portion of the database for this type of data?
Nothing is going to change.
And so it just didn't make any sense.
And so that was part of the affidavit that I wrote in the early eight cases that were filed in Minnesota, most of them through Susan Sjogren-Smith and another one through Jane Volz, who took on the Dakota County case.
So that's kind of where that starts from.
And then the other thing is part of that presentation.
I have the emails from when I was mayor from Hennepin County and the city of St.
Bonifaceous explaining the vulnerabilities and how our city didn't want to approve the use of the poll pads for the primary and general elections.
And there was discussion where they wanted to force us to do that to say we didn't have permission to do that.
And we actually did through state statute and so our council voted not to use them.
Now we fast track to that presentation and I scanned all 87 counties in Minnesota for security vulnerabilities as well as the Secretary of State's office and we had so many counties that failed including the Secretary of State's office that not only their credit cards but their voter rolls were wide open and they weren't secure.
And so we published that data.
We also scanned South Dakota.
We ended up scanning Arizona and Colorado.
And we also saw similar issues at that time.
And I believe that was in a subsequent presentation that we talked about some of the other states that we analyzed.
And that was before the 2022 election that we scanned all of them as well.
So great question.
I appreciate it. Yeah.
Yeah, and just just for context, there were 1.9 million.
Absentee reported and.
Right, 2020 Minnesota, which was, I think about 60% and so this was a pretty big number. The margin was was quite a
bit less than that, but I think.
When we, when we just, and I think we should come back to the present, but I think it's relevant for for those just
to get caught up because.
Um, for me, the fact that we don't really know whether those ballots existed.
And it's hard it's hard actually for.
The state and the counties to prove that they existed as well.
So we have a post-election review process, which is Minnesota Statute 206.
And within that, only 3% of the precincts need to be audited.
That's post-election hand count.
And we can discuss...
This has been discussed ad nauseum, actually, probably for this audience, of the kind of limitations of that kind of an audit.
But in Precinct 4950, which I believe is South St.
Paul, that's Dakota County, there were stacks of unfolded absentee ballots on the table at the post-election review.
And I think that's another aspect of the story because there were observers there watching.
And so there's another aspect too, which was that there were 851 ballots missing from that post-election audit.
And so if memory serves me right, I believe Jane Volz was there and she was taking pictures of all of the tables.
She was taking pictures. So she was the attorney of record to file.
And this is why Susan had to join her case in case Jane Volz ended up having to be a witness, if memory serves me right.
And I believe there were five precincts that were selected for Dakota County to basically be part of the post-election audit.
When they get to the last precinct that you had mentioned, there was 850 that were just absolutely missing and not there.
And they just claimed, well, those are the absentee.
We already reviewed those.
And it's just like, no, no, no, no.
That's not what the law says. They're all supposed to be here.
For the other four precincts, all the absentee was there.
Why not this one? And at the same time, this is the unbelievable thing that happens.
Two Dominion printers were delivered during the middle of the post-election audit.
Also during that post-election audit, somebody brings in ballots in a white purse, and that is somehow supposed to be some kind of chain of custody for these ballots.
It was just completely ridiculous.
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong there, and So we documented all of it in the case for Dakota County.
And it went all the way to a judge.
And then he ended up combining all the cases because we didn't properly serve Ilhan Omar because we didn't know where she was.
We ended up serving her at the White House.
Her attorneys were still there representing her.
But the judge decided to combine all the cases together and dismiss them.
So they were never heard. Wow.
So... Yeah, to me, that sums up.
I mean, you were just featured in the movie, Vindicating Trump, which was in the preamble to this show.
And I think you talked about a number of the vectors.
And how big of a problem is that kind of vector when we think of the absentee ballots at this point?
Oh, it's huge because even in Minnesota, if you look at Hennepin County's website, they have a YouTube channel, even a video from 2022, that they actually admit that you can take a pre-printed ballot, an absentee application, and submit them all at the same time.
And oh, by the way, if you're not registered to vote, submit an absentee application at the same time and they'll accept all three together.
And so this is just a complete trashing of the chain of custody.
And Hennepin County still has that video out there showing people that they can do this kind of stuff.
And then we even see voters in the voter rolls when we look at voters from 2005 all the way forward.
And we've been able to Go back and work with a lot of people that have collected the data through campaigns and data analysts, even older guard GOP folks that were kind enough to work together and now we have several groups around the state that are exchanging data at a regular basis so that we can analyze each other's data and then give support and credence to when we see voters that are being turned on and off and then we're also seeing voters For example, at college campuses, a typical student is going to be there four years, maybe five on average, and we see them not being removed from the voter rolls.
And so this gives an opportunity for bad actors to use those empty voter registrations as Susan calls them, ready to launch voters.
And so as long as they keep voting and active, there's no reason to remove them.
There's no statutory guidelines because they're considered an active voter.
And so they're able to keep kind of going through these.
And we would even find people who moved from one address to another Still voting at their old address and not updating where their new address was.
We ran into this in Anoka where one of the team leads knew one of the names in his own precinct because she was a neighbor that was divorced and moved And she lived over in Woodbury, but yet was still voting up in Anoka.
And so two completely different counties.
Woodbury would be Washington County, I believe.
And so it's just It's incredible.
And then in the 2020 election, there's a zip code on the southern part of the Capitol lawn, and that goes over to the eastern side where the homeless shelters are.
And what was incredible is that the number of voters that voted from that area was higher than what the U.S. Census reported.
And so it was at a, I believe it was an extra 50% of voters compared to the population.
And what's disgusting about that is usually the US Census includes people under 18,
and this blew the numbers way out of the gate.
Yeah, it's interesting because I think the question that a lot of people at least ask me is, what can I do?
And we can get to that later, too, because I want to backtrack and ask you a couple of other questions, too.
Because I think our stories intersected at such an interesting time, at least as I recollect it.
But lately, breaking news for those of you in Minnesota.
The city of Oak Grove has passed a resolution to not use the pole pad.
So they figured out what Rick figured out, which is, you know, maybe we ought to just use the paper.
We don't know what we don't know of what data and connections and integrations are there with those pole pads.
Documentaries from David Clements, like Let My People Go, do a nice job of going into the detail of that.
You can also just check out the vendor's website and see what they say about how great it is.
So Oak Grove has done that.
That's on the back of them passing a resolution.
There's seven cities in Anoka County.
So that's a metro, northern metro, and just north of the cities here.
Fourth most populous county.
So very important county when you look at the election map from that strategy level.
And there's a group there that's done really well, ACIT, Anoka County Election Integrity Team, and they've been partnering with their cities and towns after they did a lot of work with the county to educate them and just let them know what their options are.
Because the statutes, the election codes, these rules which are put onto us by these selected officials, often who probably don't even know what they're voting on because the law, the rule of code was written by someone else.
They have, in Minnesota, mandated electronic voting equipment.
They've removed, and this is the part I want to come back and ask you about, Rick.
We can come back to the Dakota meeting.
They've removed the ballot images from being publicly accessible.
That's the part of the cast vote record, the receipt.
It's been part of our system since 2005.
So, mandating the machines, removing the receipt, the picture of the Cassvert record, as well
as asking that we immediately seal the ballots for election judges after polls close to remove
the chance to hand count right there.
So, this is on top of a lot of lack of transparency.
A number of people have worked really hard to get data like the Cassvert records in 2022.
A variety of data, public accuracy test data.
So, this group, ACIT, has gone to all of the 21 municipalities in Anoka County.
There's 20 cities and one township.
They've gone to those boards.
They've gone to those councils and said, hey, here's the situation.
Here are your options within that landscape if we want to play by those rules.
I don't like those rules very much, but we play within those rules, and you can still remove the electronic pole pads.
So Oak Grove went ahead and did that.
And there's seven cities that have said, hey, we want to have our precincts be included in that post-election review and count audit, where at least the absentee ballots and the in-precinct, in-person voting ballots have to be there because most of the cities have outsourced the absentee ballot tabulation to their counties.
So those cities, those clerks never see those absentee ballots.
So that's coming back to your chain of custody comment from before.
But just for those of you who are wanting to get a takeaway, there are things happening in Minnesota, and you can take that information directly to your city councils and town boards and say, look, here are seven cities.
One in particular, it's the Oak Grove way.
Remove the electronic pole pads, and let's do a hand count and have some of our precincts included.
Those are two easy wins that you can take.
And that will get a conversation going at minimum, even if you get a no with your local representatives.
So that was my pitch for everyone of what to do.
But did you want to comment on that, Rick?
Like, are there other things that citizens can be doing right now?
You talked about the emergency preparedness at the really high level.
What else can we be thinking about?
So the emergency preparedness plan is essential now, especially when we see wildfires in Wyoming, in the western part of the United States.
We see the hurricanes and flooding that is going to be happening in the eastern part of the United States and coming up through the Gulf.
And that will probably expand into Texas and further up into the South Midwest, if you will.
And we have to be ready.
So number one, we need to train people on how to hand count.
We need to make sure that cities and counties have extra ballots and maybe even store them at the Secretary of State's office so that way if they run into an issue, the Secretary of State can deliver them.
We need to make sure that other states potentially have copies of other states' ballot design so that way if a state is up a crick, We can potentially print those ballots on their behalf in coordination with other Secretary of State and get them delivered.
So that way we can make sure that we're still maintaining the election.
We also want to make sure that instead of using the poll pads, where that actually creates a vector for insecurity, because this is one of the other things during the 2020 election.
Here, after 3.30, we have Basically, Keith Ellison sent out a tweet, hurry up, get out and vote.
We don't have enough votes yet.
Well, that's disgusting because let's think about this.
Keith Ellison was head of the DNC. He's also Minnesota's Attorney General, so he's an attorney.
Most attorneys I know are pretty careful about what they say in a public venue.
And so this leads to two things.
One, how did he know that they didn't have enough?
And two, what would compel him to basically send that out?
And so knowing any vote totals before the polls close is illegal in Minnesota.
They shouldn't have been counting any ballots.
And if he had access to the poll pad data and they were doing analysis behind the scenes at the DNC, That leads to a possibility that they could calculate where they were at.
We shouldn't be allowing that, and this is why having paper check-ins for polling locations is the most secure way so that we don't have people out there trying to manipulate the elections at the last minute.
That's just not right, and so we need to protect against that, and plus also We've already had Verizon, AT&T outages, and so the pull pads rely on these in many states, that type of wireless communication.
We should just eliminate that, go to paper, reduce the security vectors, reduce the risk of the equipment failure, and just go straight to paper just to save us any issues.
And, of course, for some states, that means you're going to have to get away from these vote centers that are just absolutely corrupt, like my state.
In South Dakota, where I live, we have vote centers.
Voters can vote in any precinct.
That's ridiculous. That creates additional vectors, additional copies of these ballots throughout the county that somebody could fill out and then mark people who didn't actually show up.
And so stop it.
That's ridiculous. Or people walking in saying that they're this person even though they're not.
And especially around college campuses, homeless shelters, etc.
where they could show up at another precinct and just claim that they are this person.
We just did some data analysis in South Dakota And it's actually really disgusting.
We took 10,000 random names that hadn't voted in over 10 years in South Dakota.
We have over a 40% rate that those people do not live at the address listed at the Secretary of State's website.
We did a 30-year NCOA look back.
And so we're starting to work with other states on that as well.
And I believe some of the other groups are starting to look at that as well.
It is so worth it.
I just mentioned it to Minnesota and also South Carolina.
And I'm now working with those teams to show them what we did in South Dakota so that they can start looking at this as well.
And there's other great programs out there that you may have heard, like Eagle AI, some of the other projects that are out there.
Cause of America is also looking at this.
And so it's so important right now as we get into these last few weeks before the election to be available for some of the canvassing, the door knocking, etc.
And knowing who your neighbors are is so important as well.
So, sorry, I'm getting a little, still have some smoke in my lungs from Wyoming being out there this past weekend.
Oh, you might be muted. Oh, good.
What were you up to over in Wyoming?
So over there I was working on the logic and accuracy testing, got to review Campbell County, and it did not go well.
And it's actually quite comical.
So the clerk had pre-printed a bunch of the standard ballots and then took out one of the ballots to use as kind of a key to basically fill out one of the ExpressVote machine disability machines.
And it was kind of comical.
So they have 18 of these ExpressVote machines.
On only two of them did they test the joystick.
Only two of them did they actually test the audio.
Didn't test them on the rest of it.
But the rest they did test the touchscreens.
They took out one ballot per precinct.
To basically do the express vote.
And I'm sitting there looking at it going, is this all you're going to do?
And she then had the team set aside the ballot that they use as a template for the express vote.
And then they put the express vote into the pile.
And then they scanned them into the tabulators on the other side of the room.
And I'm just like, okay, I know where this is going.
Number one, the ballot that they took out was the Trump vote.
So that meant that, and there was only one vote for Trump in this summary report, which then meant That of all the ballots stacked, they took out the only Trump vote that was there and exchanged it for an express vote, which meant that they broke the law and not all of the votes were tested on the standard ballot.
Then over on the express vote side for the presidential race, the other three candidates were never tested.
And barcodes and standard oval ballots are different.
They're different parts of the program and they go into different buckets.
And so the very fact that you leave out a candidate over here on this side and you leave out three candidates over here, I encourage the clerk you should expand your testing And make sure you get the Trump back in there and to the original side.
And then make sure that you're doing more express votes that are duplicative of the other ballots.
So that way your testing would be equal.
And she said, no, we're good here.
And I said, so you're telling me you're okay with...
Busting up the 14th Amendment of equal protection under the law, and you're okay with discriminating against people with disabilities who would use the express vote.
She's like, well, I'm going to adhere to the minimum standards of the law.
And I said, that's disgusting.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead. The next day was a campground study on Friday there in Campbell County, and she tried setting this up into, and I'm going to say it's poor communication on both sides.
So they wanted us to basically try to do...
This expansive worksheet to try and divide up the ballots between five absentee earlies, five mail-in absentee, and then 20 standard ballots that would be polling location ballots, and then have this whole worksheet to kind of go through.
I made the mistake and recommended that they try to do two precincts at the same time, and I should have never done that, so that's my fault.
I accept responsibility for that, especially when it looked like that would just be 60 ballots, right?
Well, luckily, I thought ahead and worked with the Sheridan team who was willing to come down, and they actually were the control group, where they processed 249 consults with 12 races, and one of the races was more complicated, similar to what Campbell County would have for a pick-six-type commissioner's race.
And what was interesting is that in the other six tables where they were doing the counting, they processed 1,380 calls.
The control group with the 249 ballots processed 2,988 calls.
And they got done with all the reconciliation reports, all of the reporting.
That we had designed in four hours, five minutes.
The other team took five and a half hours with less call-outs.
So that meant that the workbooks and the worksheets were what was slowing down the whole process.
And plus, having two precincts there was my mistake trying to do those in sync to try and get them to go a little bit faster and get more done.
In essence, those teams were stuck in first gear with the clutch in and couldn't really ever accelerate and get used to the mojo.
Whereas with the 249 bouts, they'd start out in first gear, hit the clutch, and then they were in fourth gear.
Because once they got the muscle memory down, they were able to call out a lot faster and they were more comfortable with the sheets as they were going between each of the races.
So that was a huge lesson learned.
Part of what her goal was to have each of the precincts counted twice and I counted, well, you don't run them through the machines twice, so why would we count them twice?
And then we also looked at some of the accuracy where her team and another team of volunteers filled in some of the ballots with a tremendous amount of errors in them.
And we actually went through and did an analysis of how would the machine actually interpret these three precincts?
And then how would three other separate teams interpret those ballots?
That was really instructive.
And what it showed us is that in one of the precincts, there were six Uh, races that the machine would have thrown out, but the teams on the human oversight, they actually interpret those as votes versus overvotes, um, or a different way in there.
And so that was actually really incredible to see and actually get that documentation.
We have those, uh, test decks.
And part of the test also was that, uh, the paper was on a really bright paper that was really a Abusive to the eyes wasn't the standard white paper.
And then he also still had the word sample written across it diagonally.
And so I would have preferred to have real ballots, similar to our control group, would have preferred to actually throw those ballots into the tabulator so we could actually have a true comparison between the hand count and the machine count.
And then be able to analyze the differences.
That would have been more fair.
That would have been a lot better.
And so I would like to welcome that clerk to, or even us, you know, to do that test again and actually sit down and actually design it together.
And I think that was the worst part of it, is that we didn't set up the communication between myself and the clerk.
It was an activist there that was trying to set up.
And she actually did a really good job.
And she So I don't blame her.
And the activists that were there in the room that participated in it, they did such a great job.
And none of them were disappointed when we called out some of the issues in there.
And none of them lost their faith in doing hand counting.
And all of them were encouraged.
And all of them basically in unison want to support the clerk in the what-if scenario.
And so we've had the statements by the FBI, by Homeland Security, saying that our elections are under threat.
And here we are seeing these Verizon and AT&T issues.
I mean, not more than a week ago here.
And then we have this hurricane coming through.
We have wildfires coming through.
So our...
Just our normal lives are under attack.
And Eric, you and I grew up in Minnesota, where in 1991 we had the Halloween storm, which dumped a ton of snow in the Twin Cities, collapses the Metrodome, even collapses power in a large part of the area of Minnesota to where it created delays in our elections and being prepared.
And so these are things that actually happened to the weather-related events.
And here we are looking at what's happening in Florida where another Category 5 is going to come through and expand additional damage across the United States.
And I want to put a call out now to all of the Secretary of State and also the chairs of both parties at the national level and in each of the states.
I want to see some type of a plan that we are going to be unified to make sure that everybody has a chance to vote.
And we need to have smarter people start talking about the flexibility of voters.
Because in some towns, some of these towns are completely gone and I don't know if people are going to want to return there.
And so will they be allowed to register in another state, another county?
How is that going to work?
Are we going to have an open heart to make sure that they can still at least vote in the federal?
And then maybe down at some of the county and state level, some of those people who are running for those positions, maybe now isn't the right time to actually replace people.
And we need to delay those specific local elections for three to six months so that people that are leaders right now in those communities Can actually help rebuild those communities and then have an election for those local officers at a later time.
I'm just putting that out there now, but also for other state parties like the Wyoming GOP, they could be organizing some of their teams where they have maybe people with donkeys, mules, and I would even say probably the western type of horse where you have ponies basically going in and actually bringing in the materials where the roads are gone to be able to conduct some of the elections.
So mustangs, that's the term I'm looking for.
So when you have the American Mustang Horse, which is a lot more sure and a lot more apt to handle this type of rough terrain, and then you have the donkeys with you carrying some of the ballot boxes as well as the supplies and then creating pop-up locations because we know of at least five counties where their county seats are just not operable at this point in time in North Carolina.
And so we're going to need the National Guard to kind of help Blaze a trail and be able to create some of these temporary roads and bridges as well as take care of people's basic needs.
We have election officials in some of these states that can't run an election because they're dealing with their own personal problems.
Their families are hurt.
Their houses are destroyed.
Their property are destroyed.
They don't even have a county seat to go to.
And so we've got to start thinking and having our Secretary of State along with the two major parties Start working on a disaster recovery plan with FEMA to basically start moving forward.
To make sure that everybody's vote is going to count because this is not going to be acceptable to have potentially anywhere from a million to three million people unable to vote.
We are Americans, not Americans, and so we've got to be able to get out there.
And those of you who are threatening election officials, you need to stop it.
This is not acceptable.
We are Americans and we are going into an election season where your weapon of choice It needs to be the pen on a piece of paper where you select the candidate of your choice.
That's it. That's all you got to do.
And then those of you who want a little extra credit, you need to be available to support your county auditor and let them know and let your party know that if you're willing to hand count, And you want to start taking trainings now?
Go ahead and start doing that.
We have trainings out there at Cause of America with Linda Rance's system.
There's also the US Case method available at uscase.org.
And so these systems are out there so that you can develop them so that they can be used within your own state.
So this is a base template.
And even mine is in Excel that you can download it.
And edit it to whatever your state statutes require.
And so like in Minnesota, they talk about hand counting under the US caseway may be an impossibility.
No, it's actually complimentary.
So when we look at the tally sheet, where you can basically go through and count through the stacks of ballots, whether you have them in 25 or 50, and the state law requirement is that you're supposed to put The piles for the candidates in stacks of 25?
Well, that's easy.
So as the counters are basically counting out the ballots and the tallyers on the other side, when they hit 5, 10, 15, 25, 20, 25...
Then what they're able to do is that when they get to that candidate name at the 25, they'll know that they've reached 25 for that stack.
Now they have abided by the state statute and they can set that stack aside or turn it.
And then when they continue going forward with the rest of the counts and they hit 25 or 50 for that candidate, now there's your next set of 25.
Then they can twist it around again.
And then as they get to the next layer of 75 for that candidate, there's your stacks of 25 that you can validate with.
And so it reduces the amount of sorting that needs to be done under the Minnesota way, and it keeps you in compliance with the state law.
And so there are a lot of credit people that can actually look at this and actually develop and make those recommendations state by state.
And there are some states that actually have no hand counting materials available whatsoever.
And it's wide open to interpretation.
And so a lot of these hand count methods that are out there are available to basically kind of garner from and build upon so that at least you have a disaster recovery plan.
And the beauty of this is that you can print them out in black and white.
You can print them in color.
All of them are viable.
And you don't even have to have the candidate names in there.
You can write them in-house.
So that way, if you need to do that, and I would even encourage some of the county chairs And some of the BPLUs to start printing some of these out in blank now.
So that way, if you do run into a disaster, you already have them pre-printed and ready to go.
And if you wanted to go to that detail to go to these different levels, you certainly could.
I am so sorry, Apollo.
If you want to hit a commercial break, please do.
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And so it is important to have that disaster recovery plan of a little extra cash, some extra silver, and some extra gold to be able to get some of the supplies that you need when you are in a downgrid situation.
And, I mean, let's think about it.
Credit cards are not working at a lot of the stores and even restaurants or even hardware stores, gas stations, that you've got to have another way to pay for this stuff.
Cash is king right now because that's easy for most people to transact in and it is really sad to see how many people don't have the resources.
You need to make sure that you are stocking up.
The other thing too is that when we look at some of the other places that people thought that they would be safe in, They went to hotels and motels where there was key card access and since the electricity has been out for a while, the batteries run out and now you can't access your room.
So that creates a whole other problem.
Back to Eric, I'd like to get your view on some of the latest things that have happened last week in some of the cases that you've seen in Georgia and also with Tina Peters.
What's your take on some of this stuff?
Wow. You know, I think I saw some of the data from the Mesa County pretty early.
I think I saw it around October 21.
And then with Georgia, though, I mean, what Clay shared, I had been shown that flip sometime before as well.
And of course, He said this is only one of 2,000 ways to skin the cat when he was being questioned.
So for me, the fact – think of how long it took for that to come into a public courtroom or into a legal courtroom and – Think about some of what we've discussed tonight, whether it's the absentee data from Minnesota or it's this petition to stop the certification in 2020, a number of the court cases that you've been in, the affidavits, the evidence that you've submitted, all of the work that you and Clay and others have done, there's vast amounts of information.
Even the data that Tina, who was doing her job, and I really had The privilege of meeting her as well at one of the Lindell events.
And I think those two stories for me, it's really been this slow trickle of information that we've been trying to get through to the public.
And so to me, those are two pivotal moments because, first of all, I think a lot of people have said, look, the Tina will be exonerated at one point on appeal.
And I... I also believe that.
I believe that we will have election integrity in this country.
Some of the emergency preparedness pieces, when we talk about partnering with auditors and clerks, all these pieces, the world truly is watching what America and Americans are doing right now.
By the way, I wanted to fact-check you because I was not here in 1991.
I was in Gabon, and then I grew up in Indonesia.
I've seen some different ways of How things are done and how other countries do things.
And I've seen how different states in America do things.
And I do believe we will have election integrity.
It's a question of when and it's a question of how much.
And so I love the preparedness aspects that you talk about.
But with both Tina, like the judge, it's to be expected what I mean, it was almost so out of proportion that it would draw extra attention to it, which is always good.
We're trying to get attention onto this so that people take action.
And with Georgia, you know, even though I'd seen it, I don't think a lot of people had seen that.
And from someone like Clay, who worked at the testing labs, which the EAC uses to certify, despite the issues with that process, I tell people Clay said that these systems have a 0.5 out of 10 security, which he spoke with yesterday.
David Clemonson, his extra interviews that go along with Let My People Go.
People like you know that, but for him to finally be able to say that and for that to be on record now, I would love all this information from the cases with Tina, from the cases with Clay, the cases that you've been.
I would love these to be accessible in a collection of information that's uncensorable and searchable.
And that's why I'm wearing this shirt tonight.
And it's for another discussion.
We can't go into too much detail.
But that has been missing because our government, going back to the 60s, think of the JFK assassination.
Those files can be searched for the first time because of Project Apario.
And you can go to jfkfiles.projectapario.com and you can search the JFK files for yourself because your government didn't want you to.
And you might find some information that The media which has filtered that open source information to you, in the same way that they've filtered the election information to you, you may find something that no one has seen before.
Or you may find relevant information such as that our government has a protocol and apparatus of how to remove leaders that go against the grain, like JFK did, like Trump did.
And thank God someone like Trump decided that it finally was time to release such files.
But we know that there's a lot of other D-class and other things that are hidden from us.
And I think Rick's been one of those people who has been able to uncover that from the election perspective.
I mean, for crying out loud, you have some of the equipment.
And are able to look and understand it in a different way because of your computer background.
So that's a long way of saying, like, this information was expected, and thank God we finally got some of this information.
And so it's hard to know what to make of it, because we know our court systems are corrupt to a certain degree.
But maybe not all the way through.
It's hard to tell at what level.
But That was my high-level takeaway.
There's ways of us accessing information that could be different.
But for the time being, we have this format.
So I hope that we're getting that information coming through.
But what was your take before we sign off?
My take on it was I actually spoke with Tina Peters attorneys before the trial and I even gave them the quick little Google search on the recommendations from Microsoft to do a backup before a system upgrade.
And so if you do Microsoft upgrades, backup recommendations, you will see the industry standard that even for you as an end user, they recommend that you backup a system before you perform any type of an upgrade.
And it's disgusting that that industry standard was not brought onto the course, and that should have been an easy case dismissed.
And I want to thank all of you.
I want to thank you, Eric, for everything that you've been doing.
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Uh, thank you so much.
Thank you, Mike Lindell. Thank you, Apollo behind the scenes and everybody stay awesome and get out there and vote.
Thank you so much. Godspeed, everybody.
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