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Welcome to the Lindell Report.
My name is Colonel Conrad Reynolds.
I'm guest host for Mike tonight, and what an honor and a privilege it is.
And thank you for joining in.
Tonight, we're going to talk about Wisconsin.
We got a couple, we got, this got a really good show tonight, but we're gonna talk about Wisconsin and talk about the Racine Recall Committee and talk about Speaker Robin Voss and the recall How it's going and what is happening today.
I'm going to bring in the attorney for the Racine Recall Committee, a very esteemed attorney out of Wisconsin.
He is here with us.
His name is Kevin Scott.
Kevin, are you there?
I'm here.
Good evening, Colonel.
Good to see you.
Hey, thank you for joining us.
And we are going to look to you for some answers because there's a lot of information About the scene recall.
We have had all types of people interested about what happened today, what's going to happen tomorrow, and what is the future of this recall effort.
So if you could, if you could just explain a little bit about what is going on with the recall right now.
Sure, sure.
So what's going on with the recall right now is that there's been a petition filed.
And that was filed, and you know better than I, I think it's May 28th it was filed.
And so after that, Robin Voss, Speaker Voss, had 10 days to file what's called a challenge to it.
And in that challenge he could have asserted that signatures weren't valid, he could have asserted that there was some sort of other legal infirmity with it, whatever.
And then after that, we would then have five days to file a rebuttal.
And so that five days actually would expire tomorrow.
And there will be some there will be some things filed.
Yeah, so that's where we're at.
And then once that happens, the WAC would then look at all the information in front of it, and then make a determination as to whether or not the petition is valid.
And then if so, it calls a recall election.
Got it.
Well, full disclosure here for all of our viewers is that I was on that recall committee.
I helped orchestrate and helped guide that committee, and a lot of hard work.
It's unbelievable the amount of daily grind that went through, that we went through, and the people that came to help save America.
By trying to recall Robin Voss.
And you've been an outstanding attorney, Kevin.
We really appreciate all of your efforts and everything that you've been doing to help us in this endeavor.
Can we talk a little bit about, right now, what we saw as far as his challenge was concerned?
Sure, sure.
So, you know, what we saw, again, as I said, there would have been 10 days where he gets to file a challenge to the recall petition.
Now, Wisconsin law requires that any such challenge be made by verified petition.
Now, what's a verified petition?
A verified petition is something where the person who is filing it signs an under oath.
A lot of times we have a lawsuit, right?
A lawsuit is just filed by what's called a summons and complaint.
That can be signed by somebody's attorney.
Well, it's almost always signed by somebody's attorney.
And then it's filed with the court, it's served on the other side, and then you go forward, right?
But occasionally, and this happens in probate law, is one place, where a person who's seeking relief from the court has to file a verified petition.
In other words, the person who is filing the The petition has to sign it under oath and say, to the best of my knowledge, everything in this is correct and true.
And then it's signed, you know, with a notary stamp or whatever.
And that's true in this particular case.
When you have a challenge to a recall, the law specifically provides that the challenge must be made by verified petitions.
It's a petition, but really it's a verified challenge.
And that verification has to come from the person making the challenge.
And the law specifically also says that it can't be verified by that person's representative.
And that challenge has to be filed within 10 days.
And there was no challenge filed by Speaker Voss within 10 days wherein he verified the challenge.
So at this point, there is no challenge on file from Speaker Voss.
And so there's nothing for us to necessarily rebut or respond to in the next, within that five day time period.
Wow.
So that's kind of a, yeah.
That's, that is shocking.
So what you're saying is, is that, uh, since he actually didn't challenge, it should be fait accompli that there's going to be a recall.
No question about it.
Well, that's my opinion, but I'm not the person making the decision.
It is true, though, that under the statutes that the person making a challenge to a recall petition bears the burden of proof.
So once the recall petition is filed, if you say, if you're the official who's getting recalled, you have the burden of proof to show that that petition is insufficient.
And if you don't file a challenge, you can't meet your burden of proof.
It's pretty simple that way.
So, they haven't met their burden of proof, and so as far as what more we have to do, it's really up to WECC.
They're going to examine the petition.
It says right in the statute that they will examine it carefully, and then they're going to issue a certificate.
And if they find it's insufficient in some way, then there's an opportunity to amend the petition to correct those insufficiencies.
Okay, can you explain a little bit about that?
Can you explain a little bit about that?
Yeah, and some of the things would be whether a circulator properly signed one of the affidavits submitting the signatures.
That's one that's specifically provided for under law.
I forget, there's another one too.
I forget exactly what it is.
But it also says that that's not the only things that you can amend.
So, it's an open-ended question exactly what you can amend.
Now, you can't add any signatures at this point.
Because the law specifically states that once it's filed, you cannot add or take away any signatures from the petition, as the petitioner.
They can be challenged and taken away that way, but you can't just simply withdraw a
signature at that point, and you can't add in either.
So when I say you can amend the petition, it doesn't mean that the petitioners can go
out, circulate more petitions, get 100 more signatures or whatever, and submit those.
It would only be a case of if there's something that WECC says, here's an insufficiency in
signature on line 933, can that be fixed?
If it's something minor or whatever, that's something that can be amended.
Got it.
Well, you know, in the challenge, now we know that this challenge was appears to be not Accurate, not legal, because it wasn't signed by Robin Walsh.
But I would like to talk about some of the things that they alleged in their challenge.
Because there are a couple things that I think are important for us to show that it's ridiculous, some of the things that they alleged.
One, I think we even have a map, and these were addresses that they said are out of the district.
And if we could show the map real quick, like, I don't know, can you see it, Kevin?
Think he put it up there?
Right there.
All of those addresses, they say, all of those addresses, they say are out of his district, but everything in yellow is his district.
So they attempted to disenfranchise every person who signed that petition, who live at one of those dots.
They tried to say they are not in the district and it should not count.
That is one of the things that we're going to show that it's ridiculous, but that's what they're trying to do.
They had several others.
Do you have anything, any comment on that on that map?
Yeah, I guess, you know, the first thing is, you know, Colonel, you are free to say whatever you want about the veracity of the petition or whatever.
I'm an officer of the court.
So, you know, I can explain the law and I can talk a little bit about the process and things.
But what I can say about this is, whether it's ridiculous or not, I don't have an opinion.
But what I do, it's my understanding though, it's my understanding that there are several cases where there were addresses challenged or there was a signature challenge because somehow the address was not within the district.
But clearly there's some evidence, and I really will be submitting evidence to the contrary, that there are plenty of addresses, there's plenty of signatures that were challenged that actually are well within the district and it's not a problem at all.
Right, well we have another one I'd like to show up there that I think is important because they talk about fraud a lot and they said that they brought in a handwriting expert to look at different signatures to say that one was fraudulent and they went so far as to call some of the circulators frauds, that they actually committed fraud themselves.
If we can show up the number two, I'd like to talk about that one.
In this particular one, they said that obviously the circulator committed fraud because the signature looks a lot like the second.
Well, what people don't realize and what the Voss campaign didn't realize, every signature that we got, particularly if it wasn't at a house or anywhere else, we made a specific note about where we got that signature and the people involved.
And if there was something special, that needed to be addressed or logged in, we had our circulators do that.
And on this particular one, this was at a house and this was an individual who wanted to sign, he and his wife, but he had Parkinson's disease and he wasn't able to sign.
His hand was too shaky and he asked his wife if she would sign.
He was there and they signed.
So, We know that by our circulator and the notes exactly what happened, but they said that it was fraud.
That was one.
So, and there were several other examples, but that's one that they have, which we thought is ridiculous.
And we're going to, we're going to point that out.
Um, the other one was inflated.
I can say something about that.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I can say something in the defense of that.
You know, I'm not going to opine on anything Mr. Voss did or did not do, but what I will say is that it is apparent to me that that was fully authorized under the law.
I mean, that's my opinion.
And to call that fraud, I think is really going over the top.
I think that's really, it's unfortunate.
You know, it just seems like far too often in this entire process, this has been a case where actions that were taken Are immediately characterized if they're even the slightest bit out of bounds of the technical requirements of the law, even in this case when they're in bounds.
Things are being couched as criminal.
Things are being couched as fraud.
And I think that's patently unfair to the people who are doing this, because, you know, not everybody gets everything right.
And there's always small gray areas, like in this particular case, where, no, that person did not sign it directly, but they do have the opportunity to have somebody sign for them, their spouse.
If they're physically unable to do so.
So to call that fraud, I think is, well, I think unfortunately it's too mild a word, but I'll just leave it there.
Well, I appreciate, I appreciate your insight into that.
I mean, at least the least they could have done, it was contact the people and ask them and get an affidavit.
They would have found out if they had just contacted them exactly what the truth was, but they didn't really care about doing that.
They just wanted to Uh, put a number up there.
So unfortunate.
Well, listen, we've got about a minute left.
I want you, can you give us an idea of what the future is going to be here?
What's going to happen tomorrow and what do you foresee happening in the next few weeks?
Yeah, so as I mentioned, tomorrow is going to be the date that we would have to file any rebuttal to the challenge.
As I mentioned, I mean, whether that's going to be an official rebuttal, when there has been no challenge filed, we'll be presenting something to WAC about that.
And the other thing is, you know, we're going to be responding to some of the legal arguments, and one of which is that Mr., you know, Speaker Voss actually argues in his challenge, that really isn't a challenge, That his constituents have no constitutional right to recall him.
And I just think that that's, that's just patently wrong.
Because the Wisconsin constitution provides a right to the citizens of the state, to the electorate, to recall their incumbent representative in the state assembly.
He is the incumbent of District 63.
His electorate, those in District 63, those who elected him, have a constitutional right to recall him.
And I think it's really strange and unfortunate that an elected representative in the state of Wisconsin is arguing that his electorate doesn't have any constitutional rights or that they should be denied a constitutional right.
That seems adverse to his entire position.
So it's unfortunate he's doing that.
Right.
Well, uh, what, what, and your crystal ball, what do you see what's going to happen in the next month or so?
My crystal ball is very cloudy, you know.
We're going to be going forward to the WECC.
We'll see what they do.
I mean, you know, we certainly have processes to go through.
You know, as you've mentioned, you know, I think everybody's very confident that the amount of signatures has been properly gathered and that there's no legal basis to challenge the petition.
And we will see what WECC does.
And if need be, there might be a court ruling on it, but we feel confident.
Well, absolutely.
Well, thank you for coming on, Kevin Scott.
You've helped our audience understand exactly what's going on, what will happen in the future.
We'll have you back on when WECC makes their decision on exactly when the recall election will be.
It should be sometime in August, but we'll have you back on.
I really appreciate you taking the time to come on tonight.
Thank you so much, sir.
All right.
Thanks for having me, Colonel.
Good to see you.
All right.
Take care.
Have a good night.
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I'm Colonel Conrad Reynolds setting in for Mike tonight.
And we were just talking about what was going on in Wisconsin.
We talked about the recall with Robin Voss.
And now we're going to shift gears.
We're going to go over South Dakota.
And I'd like to introduce Jessica Polema.
Jessica, are you there?
And if you will, introduce yourself to the audience, please.
Hey.
Hello there.
Nice to meet you.
I don't think I've ever gotten to meet that person before.
I'm Jessica Palma with the South Dakota Canvassing Group and we've been on the Lindahl Report many a time and always appreciate the platform to get the word out.
Well, tell us what's going on.
I hear some big news out of South Dakota.
Let us share with the audience.
What is it?
Yeah, we've had a, you know, really busy last couple of weeks.
We had our primary election on June 4 and They're calling it a political earthquake in South Dakota, the Landowners' Rebellion.
If anybody knows what's going on, there's a carbon pipeline coming through.
It's basically the Green New Deal in South Dakota, where these big private corporations are using eminent domain for private gain.
So, it was the Landowners' Rebellion, or dubbed the Landowners' Rebellion, and we ousted 14 incumbent rhinos, and they are shaking in their boots now.
Shortly after that, it was the GOP convention, same weekend.
And during the convention, we actually got a resolution passed called Opposing Voter Manipulation Schemes, which promotes audits, transparent elections, anti-counterfeit ballot printing, Hand counting and, of course, eliminating voting centers and ensuring everyone is a verified citizen of the United States and the state of South Dakota before they're allowed to vote.
So that was a major win.
The grassroots fought really hard for that, despite it being rejected in committee two times by the rhinos.
They brought it to the floor and they got it passed successfully, so Kudos to the grassroots who were able to achieve that at the GOP convention.
And then today we had some some big news in Minnehaha County, which is the biggest county in South Dakota has about 25% of the population.
Now in our neighboring states, Nebraska, North Dakota, I think Montana, we've got South Carolina, all of these, you know, deep red states supposedly that are ES&S only.
We haven't been able to obtain any cast vote records.
There's no transparency in our elections and no verifiability at all.
While they gaslight us and tell us to trust the results, everything's fine.
So as a tax accountant myself, you can't do anything without, you know, verifying the audit trail.
You can't bring a financial statement to the bank and just say, just believe my balance sheet, but I have no proof of how I came up with this.
It doesn't work that way in the real world.
So we have a Patriot auditor who was elected in the 22 primary, who is now the Minnehaha County auditor.
She has done her due diligence and today she released a press release.
Kind of detailing all of the security vulnerabilities in the equipment, in the storage of the records, in the flash drive procedures going between a hardened computer and an internet connected computer, uncertified equipment using an HP laptop rather than a Dell laptop, which is the only piece certified piece of equipment with the EAC.
So technically, All the elections run on that uncertified equipment were unlawful because the EAC guidelines were adopted into law in South Dakota.
And after that, she did her due diligence and dug into the cast vote records that are not available to the public to audit, but being she's the auditor, reviewed them and did indeed find some anomalies in the data from 2020.
The audit logs don't reconcile.
There's about between 24 and 25,000 ballots unaccounted for in the audit logs and the 2020 data from the ES&S election management system.
There's anomalies in the cast vote record, which show a huge discrepancy between the percentage in the vote between say Trump and Biden or in other down ballot races, which are Obviously drastically different between in-person and absentee.
It appears there may be that MESA pattern in the absentee data.
So huge questions.
And again, you know, we've been saying it all along.
Why would we be immune just because we're in South Dakota?
There's no fraud here.
There's nothing to see.
Everything's fine.
When we have the same apparatus that was used in the rest of the country.
And today, it's a little bit of vindication.
The truth finally came out and everyone should look to Auditor Leah Anderson in Minnehaha County for exactly how a public servant who took an oath to the Constitution, does their due diligence, actually is an auditor, And is doing everything in her power to, you know, uphold the civil rights of the citizens in her county.
Wow, there's a lot of good information right there.
You know, we're having the same type of problem in the state of Arkansas.
And we have one election commissioner in a little county called Searcy County, and she fought tooth and nail to get paper ballots that are hand marked and hand counted.
And they did that, it's the only county, and we were being fought by all the rhinos.
And they have come after any county that so dares to say they don't wanna use an ES&S machine.
Because we're one of the states that all 75 counties has ES&S, and what's funny is nobody really knows
that much about the company.
I do, I've done a lot of studying and research on these machines, and I've interviewed many,
many of the professors that are cybersecurity experts that tell us you should never ever use
these ballot marketing devices.
The DS-200, the ExpressVote, shouldn't use them.
And so anyway, I commend you for what you are doing in South Dakota.
What you're doing is great, and it is going to be earth-shattering to the rest of the country, particularly those states that use ES&S.
Is there anything else you would like to tell our audience tonight?
Yeah, well I'm just, I think this applies to our friends in North Dakota and Nebraska and South Carolina and other states that are in exactly the same predicament as us.
Can't get the audit trail.
It's all ES&S is completely locked down.
And you know, I think there's a gal in Texas who even got a hold of a manual and was being threatened by ES&S, the lawsuit.
So, The truth always comes out.
Persistence is key.
I think there's been a shift in the narrative.
There's been a shift in the momentum.
The grassroots and the patriots are now kind of rolling with this and the momentum is in our favor.
So this should be earth shattering news in South Dakota and to all of our friends out there that know what really, you know, goes on in these machines and have been denied Well, I've got to add to it before I let you go, because we've had this very same problem in Arkansas.
Same thing happened with our state convention, our RPA convention.
The Patriots won.
They were able to get, guess what?
Paper ballots into the platform, something that was being denied over and over again over the last few years.
And also we got finally closed primaries, something that we've been fighting for a long time to get.
And finally that got passed.
And so there's a lot of angry rhinos out there.
But we did that.
And so we share a lot.
I was going to say on that, thank you for bringing up the open primaries because You guys have obviously had that then in your state, correct?
Yeah, we had open primaries for a long time.
And now you realize it's a horrible idea.
It destroys, I mean, why would you even have parties if you have open parties?
And it really drastically reduces the chances of any real conservatives ever getting elected because the election goes to the highest bidder.
The person with the most money typically wins.
So having those closed primaries is It's very important.
And now, again, the rhinos in South Dakota and the liberals are bringing open primaries, radical up-to-birth abortion, and legalized recreational marijuana to the ballot in November.
So again, having the proof that our elections can be and actually have been manipulated in South Dakota.
Now, this is a call to action to all of the grassroots, to the actual conservative legislators out there, to the Freedom Caucus, to the governor, We have to do something because our elections are in grave danger in November unless we do something to radically change the way we do the elections in South Dakota.
Well, I have a radio show in Arkansas called The Kernel of Truth.
You can see it behind me here.
And I hope we can get you on our show because I would love to talk to you more about what you're doing in South Dakota, how so similar it is to what we're doing in Arkansas.
Listen, thank you.
God bless you.
Thank you for your fight.
Thank you for what you're doing.
And God bless the people of South Dakota.
Hope you come back.
You too.
Thank you so much.
All right.
Take care.
All right.
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I'm Colonel Conrad Reynolds sitting in for Mike tonight.
And so we're moving all over the country.
Next, my next guest is out of Washington, D.C.
And he is a former Trump administration official.
And he's also with the Trump reelection campaign.
And I brought him on because he has got some deep insights that I think it's important for our listeners and viewers to see.
Robert Bowles, are you there, sir?
Hey, there he is.
How you doing, Robert?
Great to be with you.
How you doing?
Yeah, you too.
Thank you for joining us, and I got a lot of things to talk to you about, and I know you have a lot of stuff to share with our audience.
I want to start off with the, because I was in Wisconsin, right, working on the recall, but I understand you're going to have the convention in Wisconsin, the Republican convention, correct?
Yes, it's coming up in just about a month, and it will be- Yeah, go ahead.
How important is Wisconsin to the Trump campaign and reelection?
How important is it?
It's super important.
It's critical.
President Trump has to win Wisconsin.
There are three or four really key states.
If you don't get Three out of four, then you're pretty much done.
So, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania are very vital to the race this year.
It might change, the dynamics might change, but Wisconsin is very important.
And also it has some issues.
It has some issues we've been worrying about.
Meet me in the election integrity space.
We want to have a fair election where no one's vote gets suppressed.
Everybody has an equal shot at a fair vote, not to have anybody Do some shenanigans like inject a bunch of illegitimate votes, swap out memory cards, things like that.
So, um, Wisconsin has some problems and, and we've been working and I know with what you did in the recall, the received recall to, to remove Robin Voss from office.
That's, that's vital actually.
It's, it's a key step.
You wouldn't think about it, but it's an important step to helping President Trump win Wisconsin.
Well, I think you're right.
And I think that, you know, we got to have fair election across this country.
And there's a many, many, many steps to doing that.
But in Wisconsin, one of the key steps is getting rid of Robin Voss.
And if you want to talk about that, because I know that you were involved in it as well, initially, can you share your thoughts on how important it is to get rid of him?
Well, so this is a battle that's been going on since the 2020 election, and when folks look back at the problems and why all these election shenanigans happened, we traced it back to Wisconsin Election Commission and the legislature, and lo and behold, Speaker of the House, Robin Voss, who's basically letting all these bad things happen.
All the bad things were the elite, the drop boxes, Which the Wisconsin Supreme Court determined to be illegal.
Like they were illegal and they are illegal for 2020.
That was a big one.
They also have 3 million extra names on the voter rolls.
You know, 7,000,000 roughly registrations, but only 4,000,000 voting age population.
So where does it where's the other 3,000,000 come from?
And those are the votes that could be exploited.
Like, we believe they were in 2020 where.
You know, someone can just request an absentee ballot.
It's been proven in Wisconsin by two people basically who've just, you just make up a fake name, make up a fake address.
And you can, you can, if that name's on the voter rolls, they can send it anywhere in the state and you can actually, you have a live ballot.
You can turn it in.
So that likely happened in a big way in 2020, and it's still likely to happen in 2024 because you have 3 million, at least 3 million bad names on the voter rolls that people can just dial up, email in, and you get a ballot to anywhere.
It doesn't have to be your house.
They don't check.
They don't look at signatures.
It is a total mess.
So right now, people in the Badger State is going to have vote suppression unless something is done about it.
But then we realized that the legislature hasn't done anything about it, and Robin Vos is blocking it.
He likes those three million bad names on the voter rolls.
They will be exploited.
He likes the drop boxes.
He advocated for the drop boxes.
And then the clincher of them all, for me, being a Trump administration appointee, is he said a couple times, he said he would do all in his power to prevent Donald Trump from being the nominee.
So this is a guy that clearly, he wields a lot of vindictive power over the legislature in Wisconsin.
Then we dug in.
Then we found that he's linked to the State Legislative Leaders Foundation, which is backed by the Chinese Communist Party.
He's taking trips to Beijing.
This is a classic case.
of capture.
Foreign agents go in and capture key legislators.
Robin Vos is exactly one of those people.
And we could see it in his legislation.
He blocked farmland from being prevented for prevention of sale to China.
He blocked that.
He's acting out on the capture right now.
He's preventing Megan Wolfe from being impeached.
The state senate impeached her.
And he basically made up all these lies.
He said, oh, we're not going to do it.
And it said you need two thirds.
Robert, please explain to our audience who Megan Wolfe is and why is it important that she go.
So, Megan Wolf is the director of the Wisconsin Election Commission, and that entity has been vested with all this authority by the legislature.
Normally, the legislatures would do all this stuff, but then they basically just delegated most of it to Wisconsin Election Commission, and its director has quite a bit of power, Megan Wolf.
So, this is the woman that let the Facebook TCL money get in all over the state.
They let the drop boxes happen.
They didn't do signature verification.
They took special voting deputies out of the nursing homes.
And lo and behold, you have 100% vote in the nursing homes.
All these really bad things that happened, all happened under Megan Wolf's watch.
And she's been protected by Robin Voss.
Now, this kind of activity gave Wisconsin a Democrat governor.
I'm saying Robin Voss and Megan Wolf worked together to get, he's a Republican, I don't know what she is, but they gave Wisconsin, Tony Evers, a Democrat.
They gave them Janet Protasewicz, now the new deciding vote on the Wisconsin Supreme Court, who, guess what?
They're going to bring back Dropboxes.
And the election cheating is alive and well in Wisconsin, thanks to Robin Voss and Megan Wolfe.
And they also, and you may want to touch base on this, the legislative maps that just were redrawn, and lo and behold, they changed Robin Voss' district to where now he loses part of the current district that he's in to another, and he's using that as his evidence as to why he can never be recalled right now, because the district that he's in basically doesn't exist anymore.
Isn't that crazy?
Well, it's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
Now, you know, when legislatures and states put in this recall provision, which is basically like a lemon law, if you didn't like the person you voted in, in the past race, in the past district, then you can vote them out by a petition process.
So to try to say, well, oh, now it's for new elections in this new district, Forget about the old district.
It's purposeful, confusing.
The original district that brought him is the original district that can recall him.
And they did.
With your hard work, with the teams that came in from all over the country, under really hostile conditions, the voters in Racine County, a bunch of them, it was like, you know, talking about 25% of the voters in that district, They wanted Robin Voss removed and they signed petitions to do it.
Legitimate signatures, legitimate collectors, circulators, and in spite of all the harassment, intimidation, and lies by Robin Voss, he really wants this job.
He really wants this power because he's controlled.
He's in the national He's in the State Council of State Legislatures.
He's in the State Legislative Leaders Foundation that gets money from China.
He wants his power.
He's selling it.
He gets his junkets and trips from doing that, which is exactly why we need to take him out.
This is the guy that's not representing the people of Wisconsin.
And he's certainly not representing the Republican Party.
He says he is, but really he's just representing himself.
He's lining his own pockets.
He's developing his own power for his own personal gain.
And if you step in his way, he will use intimidation.
He'll arrest people.
He's a bad guy.
Robin Boss is a bad guy.
And guess what?
His roommates It was roommates with Reince Priebus.
And there's the convention connection that we should talk about further.
Well, I'm all about it.
Let's talk about the convention.
I'm surprised that with all this going on with Robin Voss, that they're even having the convention in Wisconsin, in Milwaukee.
Why wouldn't they pick another state?
Why did the RNC go there?
Wow.
Good question.
I think it was really because of Reince Priebus and Paul Ryan and they wanted the money.
They wanted the revenue, the TV rights.
You know, Fox News wanted the debates.
They want the coverage there.
And Paul Ryan's on the board of Fox News.
This is just a money-making thing.
It's not about, oh, well, we need to sway voters in Milwaukee.
It's really about who can put together a little syndicate and make a lot of money on it.
These are outside deals, like the MKE Convention Committee is a rights previous and crony entity.
It's got some decent people on it, but basically what their, what their whole job is to do is to make a bunch of money from TV rights, from selling sponsorships, from having parties, from having all these political muckety-mucks come in from around the country and, you know, donors.
It's a big, it's a big money fest and it doesn't, none of that helps.
You know, President certainly doesn't help President Trump.
It doesn't help, you know, Eric Hovde running for Senate in Wisconsin.
Doesn't help, you know, any, definitely no help to MAGA.
In fact, what the convention is doing is basically bringing in all these Never Trumpers.
It's setting up these little side gigs for Nikki Haley, for Brian Kemp from Georgia.
He's trying to basically have his own fundraising party at the convention to basically, you know, Siphon money away from what should be going to America first candidates and President Trump and and Reince Priebus is letting that happen.
He's letting the Nikki Hale.
I mean.
Go ahead.
It's it's really unbelievable, but when you mentioned Paul Ryan, I really get.
Sick.
Because it was because of Paul Ryan that we did not get a lot of things, particularly the southern border secure.
It was because of him that we didn't get that.
And here he is.
He just came out the other day.
I don't know if you saw it.
He said he is not voting for President Trump.
He's not going to vote for him.
I mean, here's a guy that's going to benefit financially, apparently, with this convention in Milwaukee, yet he thinks he's got the guts to come out and say he's not going to vote for him.
It is amazing.
There are a lot of other problems we have in the RNC right now, and I know that you have focused on some of those.
Would you care to discuss any of those, the people that we need to get out that should not be there?
Sure, and I'm not an employee of the campaign.
I'm not in the RNC.
I am working with some of those folks who are trying to get some election integrity matters going, but it's not getting much traction from a few people there, like the Ronna McDaniel holdovers that are still there.
There was a general counsel that was really, that did not want to do anything on election integrity.
There may be a little bit of change there coming in, but so far, not much going on in RNC.
Now, President Trump and the campaign, they are very focused on get out the vote.
And, you know, this, basically they, in their mind, they believe that they can, it's too big.
They use the expression too big to rig.
And okay, that's great.
You want people to come out and vote.
However, some of those people are missing a really critical element here, and they have no idea about the cheating that went on.
And you can have a lot of people show up, but if you've got somebody in the back room swapping out some memory cards, It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter how many people you show up, because they're going to switch the votes.
They're going to take out the original ones, but that memory card is going to get tossed, like it happened in Milwaukee with Claire Woodall Vogt, and it happened in Georgia with Ruby Freeman.
She admitted it.
She said that USBs are going to blow your mind, and Colonel, you know very well in In the Democrat case, curling v. Raffensperger, it has been proven that software in these voting machines can switch the votes from one candidate to another.
So the too-big-to-rig idea doesn't make sense when you just change the scale of the flipping and the switching of votes.
So the RNC is still behind the curve on this.
And I'm, you know, there's some great election integrity folks around the country who are doing what they can at the state level or trying to, you know, influence the RNC.
We have very little time to get some real remedies done, but it's critical right now.
So we're, there's still a little hope.
I think there's some improvements in Arizona, Georgia, but Wisconsin is still a problem and is a major problem because of Robin Voss and Megan Wolfe.
Well, I'm glad that you're fighting the election integrity battle with us.
As you can see, you know, on my hat here, I'm a strong believer in secure paper ballots.
Not the paper ballots of 30 or 40 years ago.
Secure paper ballots that can't be counterfeited, that is hand marked, that has good chain of custody, that then you hand count.
That is the only way.
Every expert that I've spoken with I mean all of them from Andrew Appel, PhD out of Princeton University, Dr. Dougherty out of Texas A&M, Dr. DeMillo, all of these people who have been screaming, who are experts by the way in cyber security and computer science and these computers and these machines, they've been studying them and they've told Congress over and over and over again
If you get a computer between the person voting and the final count, you can never be assured that the count is correct.
It can be manipulated in many different ways and you're not going to catch it.
So the only way is to go to the gold standard, which by the way, most of Europe uses, right?
Really?
And so that's what we ought to be doing.
And too many people in the system Whether it's the state legislature or whether it's in the Secretary of State's office and the people, the county clerks, they all like machines because they're easy and they're convenient.
The problem is the convenience comes at a price.
And the price is the unknown.
We don't know if our vote actually counted.
And I'm not willing to trade convenience to not know whether my vote really counted or not.
No one should.
You're absolutely right.
No one should trade that convenience.
We want the 100% certainty.
Just like when you make a deposit at the bank, you want your $100 to go into your account.
Not $60, not going to someone else's account.
Your vote is more valuable than that bank deposit.
Your vote affects you in many, many ways.
It costs you $12,000 more a year to live because of your vote and the vote getting switched last time.
And it's been proven, like you said, these machines have been proven to alter and switch the vote.
It's easy, hackable software, and they do not leave a trace.
Many times you can do it without leaving a trace.
Sometimes we get the system log files, we see the SHA files, all that, but most of the time you cannot tell.
So you're right.
The remedy is hand-marked paper ballots at the precinct level.
that are counted at the precinct level with transparency, report everything.
And if some jurisdictions want to use the machines, let them do it.
But I don't think you should certify based on that.
And if they line up with a paper hand count, great.
If the numbers match, then you're good.
But if they don't match, then you definitely ought to certify based on the paper hand count, or certainly figure out what the heck happened.
You know, if you got too many, too many of this and too few of that, That's exactly the paper hand counts is the is the best remedy here among among a bunch of remedies of, you know, voter ID on the front end.
No, no fake names coming in on the voter rolls.
So.
Well, I agree, and we've talked about that on this program before, Robert, and basically these machine companies, what people don't realize is they don't have a clearance system.
There's no one in their company that has a top secret, a secret, none of that.
They have no background checks, not like the U.S.
government does.
So we're getting machines from a company that has no security protocols in place So we don't know who even writes the program.
We're not allowed to know who even writes that.
What country they're from.
Or even if it's written out of country.
I wonder what a backdoor to one of those computer programs.
Somebody in Serbia writing the program.
What is that worth?
To build in a back door, so that you could sell it to somebody that you wanted to, to make money.
There's all types of problems that we have with our current system.
And also, the barcodes that are used.
We've talked about that a bit.
Dominion uses the QR code.
ES&S uses barcodes.
That's what they count.
The machines can't even read the English, the tabulator that counts the vote.
Can't even read the English.
It only reads the barcode.
And that most people don't know that.
I said, how would you like to go to a bank, deposit a thousand dollars, and they give you a receipt in a barcode?
You have no idea if you put a thousand in your account or not.
This is the insanity that we've got, and these people, what I call rhinos, support this.
If anybody can take a little bit of time and do a little bit of research, it doesn't take much, and you quickly realize the line of bull that we have been fed for a long time now And they have their talking points and they go over and over and the average person wants to trust the government.
They want to trust the elected leaders.
The problem is, is that these elected leaders have no clue how these machines work.
They just trust the company that is selling it to them.
And they have to take their word for it.
And there's a lot of money here.
Millions and millions and millions of dollars at stake here.
And that's why nobody wants to buck the system.
And that's why, like in Arkansas, that the Reynolds fought tooth and nail, tooth and nail at our convention to ensure that paper ballots would not pass.
But guess what?
The Patriots stood up and passed it anyway.
And so it's going to be real interesting.
Oh man, unbelievable.
It really is.
Well, we've got a few more minutes.
What else you want to tell our audience about?
Just to follow up on your, on your points here.
So if you, you know, as many states are not considered to be in play, uh, that might change, you know, North Carolina might be an issue, a state that's your Minnesota, um, you know, To middle of Nebraska, the district there might be in play.
Kansas.
But if you get back down to what happened in 2020, you know the demographics, you know how tight it is.
And, you know, it was tens of thousands of votes made the difference across the entire country.
They could pick a president.
So you can basically steal the election in six counties with 50 or 60,000 votes.
That's all you need to do.
Just wherever you come up with those votes, you know, and in Biden's case, in Obama, in Biden's case, they came up with illegitimate votes.
They held it open after the fact.
They wanted this over time to get extra free throws in and they did.
They kept it open to jack up the numbers and to win and to steal the election.
And they did it in a lot of different ways.
Free scanning, USBs.
Yep.
Well, Robert, it looks like we're just about out of time, brother, but I want you back on the show because you've got so much information and our audience needs to know what you know.
So I hope you come back.
We'll bring you back the next time I'm the host of this show for sure.
And I'm Colonel Conrad Reynolds sending in from Mike Lindell on the Lindell Report.
Robert Bowes, please join us again.
Thank you, sir, for coming.
And ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in.
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