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And now, here is your host, Mike Lindell.
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I can give everybody a little update here.
Brandon, are you there?
Tell him I'm right there.
Okay.
All right.
Well, he'll be coming on.
I'm going to give you an update of what's going on.
What we always, All this stuff going on out there that they're trying to block getting rid of the voting machines and getting to a paper ballot hand counted.
Now, I was just on a show a little bit ago and everyone's going, Mike, why are the Republicans, why are they blocking everywhere?
Why are they doing this?
I go, you know, I don't know.
What do you think?
A uniparty?
Deep state?
Globalist?
They're showing their face.
We've got a whole chart of them.
It looks like a big criminal crime family going like this, right?
And, you know, you got your Brad Raspers and your Robin Bosses up here, and your Alan Dukes of the world.
Well, let's give a quick update.
So, you go over to Arkansas.
Remember, they worked very hard there.
We had Colonel Conrad on, and I flew to Arkansas.
And we have Cleaborn County, where they went to paper.
They set the present.
They're brave.
They went to paper.
Well, then there's Kim Hammers.
Comes up with a, I'm going to come up with a bill so we can defund all the counties that are going to go to paper for the cost of their paper.
Shame on that guy.
And you know what?
You know what?
I got a text here.
I got a text.
Um, this is a good, you guys, um, from one of my, um, um, from one of my, Arkansas guys, and let me just tell you here.
It says, will you please ask Lindell to stop blasting Hammer?
Remember, his name is Kim Hammer.
That guy is just disgusting, putting up this bill.
But it says, he got a text from one of the legislators.
Please tell, ask Lindell if he'll stop blasting Hammer.
It's impeding our progress.
That's exactly right.
We don't want you to have progress there, Mr. Kim Hammer, and you guys to put this bill through to defund these counties.
It's their counties, and they don't want to have these corrupt machines.
They want to have free and fair elections, and they've got the best hand counting system in history that they got from Missouri.
From Linda Rant and, uh, shame on you, Kim Hammer.
I'm going to keep on you.
You want to stop me from talking, Kim?
Then you know what?
Come on my show and let's talk about it.
Why don't you come on my show and let's talk about it.
Um, you come on, we'll talk about it and we'll, um, um, you tell me why you would do what you're doing.
That's what, you've got some explaining to do to our country and to the state of Arkansas.
Why would you not want paper ballots?
I asked that to any of these guys.
Why?
Tell us why.
And if you say, oh, it's too slow.
Oh, it's not secure.
Really?
Then you know what?
I won't want you being working for anyone.
I wouldn't want you being in my center where you can't even bother to go out and do your due diligence, which the citizens of our country have done.
They went out there.
Look, did you think it didn't happen in Arkansas?
Oh, I heard that.
Well, Donald Trump won Arkansas by 65%.
No, Donald Trump won Arkansas by 80%.
Do you understand?
You're just like all these other Republican states, Kim, that go, oh, yeah, we have the best system here ever.
No, you don't.
It's horrible.
There's machines and computers involved.
They all go like this.
It doesn't matter if you're Hart, ES&S, Smartmatic, whatever.
Now, let's skip over real quick a report from Missouri.
Well, remember everybody, Sean Scholler, Shane Scholler, I guess it is, Shane Scholler, down there, who is the Commissioner of Green County, Missouri.
Well, when we asked everybody under the Freedom of Information Act in Missouri, they call it the Sunshine Law or the Sunshine Act, with Shane's going, Oh, I love that.
That's really good for the citizens.
They can ask for and get whatever they want.
It's like the Freedom of Information Act.
Sounds good, right?
Unless you have somebody like Shane Scholler, because what does he do?
When one citizen went and asked him for their cast vote records, he cherry picked one out and sued her.
She had to go get a lawyer.
He sued her.
And then what is he doing now?
Let's see.
Let's fast forward a few months and see what he's doing now, Mr. Schoeller.
Oh, he's running for secretary of state of Missouri.
Oh, and you know what he's running on everybody?
Election integrity.
Really?
Give me a break.
Well, we have a, we're doing a deep dive.
We have one of our investigators finding out why would Mr. Shane Schoeller, why would he do this?
Why would he do this?
Why would he sue a citizen?
Everyone in Missouri has an agreement to get paper ballots hand-counted.
Everybody there.
I haven't found anybody, even the legislatures, the Secretary of State, they all go, and hey, that's, of course we want to go.
We have the best hand-counting system developed by one of our own, right in Missouri.
Why would Shane Schoeller say, I'm going to sue a citizen that asked for a record so that we can, that, you know, because nothing happened here in Missouri.
Really?
No, I'm sorry, Mr. Schoeller.
Your county, Greene County, had just as much crime and corruption inside those machines as everybody else.
So whatever, maybe you're hiding something else.
Maybe he's hiding something else.
I never thought of that.
Cause why would he do that?
Why would he sue a citizen for asking him for what she has the right to?
Why would he do that?
And he's the one in charge.
Is there something there?
Maybe people should ask him for under the sunshine law in Missouri.
Um, and maybe we'll do that.
We'll put out a request.
Let me get that together.
Everybody.
We'll put out a request for all his emails for the whole state.
For everything he does.
That can be done, too.
We'll find out.
We're gonna look into that.
Okay, now let's skip down to one that's going on right now.
Brandon, when do we have our guest on here?
He's ready whenever you are.
Okay, give me one more.
I gotta give people two more updates.
So now, everybody, this is going on as we speak.
Shasta County, California, everybody.
Let's shift, or let's go right over to the West Coast.
Here we are in Shasta County.
When I was at the RNC about a month ago now, okay, the big news there was, hey, this county in California, um, voted to get rid of Dominion.
But then I heard through the grapevine, oh, they're just going to get another machine copy.
And I'm going, well, you know, I hope somebody would educate them that there's no, they're all the same.
There isn't one.
The one isn't as bad as the other.
They're all the same.
They all go horizontal.
You know, they're all made with parts made over in China!
That's just one thing.
You really want that?
It's against our Department of Defense.
You can't have that.
Okay?
But anyway, so I got a call yesterday by Kevin Cry.
They're voting down there, and they were going to vote, not just to get another machine company.
All the machine companies there, Hart, ES&S, All the gangs there, all the usual suspects, okay?
Well, he calls me up.
They decided, two of them, it's two to two, there's five of them that vote to get rid of the machines altogether.
Well, they heard rumors of that going up and down the Western seaboard, and guess who shows up?
Twelve people from the Secretary of State's office.
This is yesterday.
They swarm like Like bees coming in.
The media is all there.
All these legislators, all these people are there and they want to stop them.
You can't go to paper ballots.
What are you thinking?
Well, Kevin says, you know what, Mike, he called me up.
He reached out to me and he said, Mike, you know, can you tell me about this stuff?
I said, no.
I said, these other, these other companies are one's as bad as the other.
We can't have electronic voting machines.
I don't care.
I don't care if you had a trusted company.
Let's say you had a company that was completely trustworthy.
ES&S, their own owner said that there's backdoors.
Every single voting machine computer is hackable and we should not use them.
He didn't say this, but I'm saying this.
Every Democrat said this.
We should not use them in any election ever, no matter what it is.
Okay.
If you all remember when I ran for RNC, they said, Mike, are you going to accept whatever vote comes out?
Even though Rasmussen had me double the other two, but only the 168 vote.
I said, absolutely.
Because it was paper ballots, hand counted.
There were no machines.
You got to accept, even though they all voted wrong, they all voted against the people.
Now, as we speak, everybody, it's still going on.
It's six hours.
This has been going on down there.
They're all pleading.
You know, don't go to paper, please.
And the machine companies are going in.
I just got a notice.
I believe he said, no, I'm voting for paper.
Now what they're trying to get them on everybody is this.
Everybody listen real closely.
This is what they're going to try to do to your country.
They're going to, they're using the handicap laws or the handicap going.
You can't do this because you have to help.
You have to have the handicap covered.
Well, let me tell you about the handicap.
There's so many different kinds of handicaps.
You know, you're blind, you can't hear, maybe both, maybe you're missing limbs.
Maybe there's, you know, there's all kinds.
The list goes on and on and on.
Okay?
But there's also a law.
The federal government, under our Constitution, and I don't have it in front of me, but we sent it to those guys out there at Shasta County.
We sent it to them.
I sent it to them last night.
It was actually filmed by a Sean Smith, he looked it up, found this and a great patriot, fighting for our country.
And he goes, wow, look at this.
If you don't have machines, you don't have to have them for handicap either.
There's other ways that it says right there of how you're going to do it.
Well, one of the simplest ways is, you know what?
No matter what's your handicap, you need someone to help you.
So you have someone there to physically help you.
Hey, you need to be wheelchair.
You need to be this.
You can't read it.
Here's what it says.
This is where you can either do this vote or this vote.
Put your pen here, whatever it is.
You know, back in the day, if you can't find someone, That could help you if your handicap is so bad that you can't see you can't hear all this.
Well, then you better have a loved one has to help because there's no device ever that could get that you could get through to that.
It's got to be common sense everybody, you know.
I have people that are handicapped.
I help them all the time.
I have people, and you make as much as you can do, but there comes a point where you're going, hey, a family member or someone, I'm sorry, you might know who I voted for, but that's the way it used to be.
Because no device, there's no hand counting, there's nothing that can cover the whole gamut of every single kind of handicap.
You know, and we want to help as many as we can, but they, as many as people as we can, but you can cover a hundred percent if you have a person there that would be, you know, either a loved one or someone that say, Hey, you have to have a person available to help them if they accept the help.
Yeah.
They might, they, you know, they might know who you voted for, you know, I don't know, but they, but there's also other alternatives for the handicap.
Now this is in the, this is in the federal law.
So what they're doing right down there right now, I just got a text, they're fighting with them saying, you better not do that because we might come after you if you don't use machines for the handicap.
Hart just came in, this is televised down there.
Hart Manufacturing just said, hey, what if we develop a machine specific for the handicap?
That's great Hart, but you know what, not you.
Not you.
Not you monopolies that have took control of our country.
You don't need to develop.
They've got all kinds of devices that are out there right now that don't go, that are just this, and you don't see what they vote, and it prints out a piece of paper.
There is that.
We want completely no devices.
But would there be give in there?
Anyway, that's what's still going on, Brandon.
But I just want to tell you what we're up against.
They're doing, they're, they're using the handicap.
Just when I was down, like when I was down in Louisiana, everybody, when I went down there for that Senate hearing, it was very similar.
And one of the gals said, um, after I spoke for 23 minutes and before, before their, uh, Congress, whatever it was.
And, and she said, Mr. Lindell, I'm handicapped.
I just don't trust.
Uh, the only thing I can trust is a machine.
And because I don't want people to know who voted for me.
I don't want anybody to know, not even nobody.
So I just, I know.
What do you say to that?
And I said, Hmm.
I said, did you hear that Tim Cook?
Did you hear that?
She thinks that you can't hear what she's voting for.
She thinks that she trusts machines.
Now, everybody, Tim Cook's the CEO of Apple.
Okay.
If you don't, if you don't, if you think a machine is more secure than a paper ballot, hand counted, You're wrong.
I don't care if you're handicapped or not.
You have one trust.
We have to bring trust back to our elections to save our country.
And that's paper ballot, hand-counted.
There is no other way.
You don't get to say, let's do like the Democrats and go ballot harvest and vote early.
Any of you out there saying that, you need to be educated.
You need to call up the Election Crime Bureau, the Cause of America on there now.
Call up and we'll tell you why.
That's a bad idea.
So any of you Republicans out there that are pressing that, going, hey, we gotta do like the Democrats.
Cheat where you can cheat.
Where cheating's legal.
The ballot harvesting and all this stuff.
Drop boxes.
No.
Wrong.
We lose our country.
So, anyway, Brad, there's updates.
Oh, yeah, one last update.
The January 6th, Kevin McCarthy did not respond, everybody.
Kevin McCarthy did not respond.
Everybody know I sent him a letter.
I said, you release those 40,000 hours of tapes to the whole country, not just Fox News.
We here at Lyndell TV, we want that too.
But Fox News, when they filter it to us, what they think is important, I might not think is important.
I might think there's something else on there that's a little more important.
CNN might think something else.
Daily Beast might think something else.
Newsmax might think something else.
Why would one outlet, Fox News, get it?
It's disgusting.
What about those guys in prison?
Maybe they want to see it so they can say, see, look at it.
Look what happened.
Look what really happened.
Not just sitting and rotting in a cell because they won't get, they don't get to have it.
They're, they're given right of a trial and given right of showing what really happened.
It's disgusting what they're, what they're doing with that.
And so guess what we're doing, everybody.
We're suing Kevin McCarthy.
For those tapes.
My lawyers are working on it right now.
Now, will it be ready by tomorrow?
I don't know.
Will it be ready by Thursday?
I don't know, but it's going to be ready this week.
Okay.
So all you, all you terrible journalists that are watching the show right now, you've texted me all day.
The short answer is, I don't know what's going to be ready, but it's happening.
And you know what, Brandon, they're all on board with me.
All of them are going, they're calling me Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow.
He goes after Kevin McCarthy.
It doesn't say, Mike Lindell, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah, election denier.
All of a sudden, now they love me.
What's up with that, Brandon?
Well, you're trying to save their livelihood.
Yeah, exactly.
This is where it's at.
And then we got the DeSantis report, everybody.
We talked about Dominion, the stuff coming out of Fox News.
Why didn't Fox News subpoena Mike Lindell, Brandon?
Why not?
That's weird.
I have all the evidence.
Why don't they want the evidence?
Instead, Dominion and them both did summary judgments and Fox News is over there and Rupert Murdoch.
You had Mike Lindell on to continually spread his lies.
You guys, I've only been on Fox News one time in four and a half years.
Think about that.
It was on January 6th on Tucker.
Everyone, if you read the reports coming out, going, they act like I was all the time on Fox.
Well, why was Mike Lindell?
Why did you let Mike Lindell come on on January 26th, Mr. Murdoch?
Why did you?
Because he sells ads?
Is that why you did it, Mr. Murdoch?
No, all they had to do is ask Tucker.
Here's why I came on.
Every single news outlet from Australia to UK, I was the number one story in the world for almost three months straight.
They all wanted me to come on and say, how does it feel to lose every one of your retailers?
How do your employees feel as their jobs are getting crushed?
How do you feel, Mike Lindell, that you're losing your Twitter and you're losing everything?
And all you talk about China and Dominion and all these machines and these companies attacking.
How does that feel?
That's what they wanted me on for.
It wasn't just Tucker and Fox.
Every single channel from morning till night, as you know, because that was about the time we started filming Absolute Proof.
At your house, I was non-stop media, wasn't I?
Everyone calling me from everywhere in the world.
So Fox calls to have me on to say, what about cancel culture?
You know, you're losing all your retailers.
Mike, how do you feel?
Tucker didn't even say anything.
I just felt, well, here's why I'm getting canceled.
Back then you could go on and say why you were getting canceled.
After Smartmatic sued Fox News on February 4, 2021, no one in history could go on any of those stations again and say why you're getting canceled.
I couldn't go on Salem Media.
Boy, they all go, Mike Liddell, he just lost, like this spring, Mike Liddell just lost Walmart again, or Mike Liddell lost Costco, all these things.
But you couldn't go on, I couldn't go on shows I've been on on Salem Media to say why I'm getting canceled.
Just talk to Newsmax today, or yesterday.
Talk to Chris, Chris Ruddy.
He's being attacked by, you know, they lost DirecTV by horrible AT&T.
If you're watching, you need to reach out to AT&T and say, we're going to cancel you and DirecTV.
How dare you do that?
You did it to OAN2 to suppress them.
If we don't do anything, we're nothing.
And this is what I was telling Chris.
I go, Chris, he goes, Mike, you can come on anytime, but you know, you can't talk about machines or that.
He sat for a lot of questions last night.
He's willing to take a lot of questions.
I would ask, where is the other side?
Why are they not willing to sit for questions?
And we're gonna see if his background, which he says is working for big companies, largely insurance companies, it sounds like, mortgage companies, other companies that have been defrauded with scams and racketeering activities.
And he Stumbled on what he thinks may fit with election fraud.
That's not what he was pursuing He just stumbled on some things that seem to fit with that and he want he's willing to answer some of your questions to see if You can get to the bottom of some of this and what you think about it.
And that's all we're doing We're just looking at his information and asking questions.
That's all we're doing.
That's all we're gonna do Well, I'm sure, and I want to ask him, I'm sure he's seen a lot of deviations.
Like, this is strange.
And I said to him, I said, John, Mike is an expert on math.
I said, Mike is very, very good at math.
So the more math and the more numbers you bring in, the more Mike should be able to look at this.
Well, it's also a deviation in behavior.
Yep.
You know, deviation behavior.
You know, I mean, you know, you talk about Katie Hobbs down there that never wanted to have a debate.
Did you know you were going to win already before it happened?
Of course you did.
Of course you did.
You had to.
Otherwise you would have had a debate.
That's our normal politicians when we used to have debates, everybody.
But go ahead.
I want to play that thing.
I told them I'm going to play it every day.
I'm sick of the Republicans fighting out there or people saying that Gee, it's all a conspiracy theory, these machines.
So go ahead and play the Democrats and then everybody can get on from we have John on here.
So if you've seen this tape before, call, write, text your friends, say get on the Lindell Report right now.
All right, here we go.
Let's play it.
Here we go.
I continue to think that our voting machines are too vulnerable.
Researchers have repeatedly demonstrated that ballot recording machines and other voting systems are susceptible to tampering.
Even hackers with limited prior knowledge, tools, and resources are able to breach voting machines in a matter of minutes.
In 2018, electronic voting machines in Georgia and Texas deleted votes for certain candidates or switched votes from one candidate to another.
The biggest seller of voting machines is doing something that violates cybersecurity 101.
Directing that you install remote access software which would make a machine like that, you know, a magnet for fraudsters and hackers.
These voting machines can be hacked quite easily.
You could easily hack into them.
It makes it seem like all these states are doing different things, but in fact three companies are controlling this.
It is the individual voting machines that pose some of the greatest risk.
There are a lot of states that are dealing with antiquated machines.
Right?
Which are vulnerable to being hacked.
Workers were able to easily hack into an electronic voting machine.
It was possible to switch votes.
43% of American voters use voting machines that researchers have found have serious security flaws, including back doors.
We know how vulnerable now our systems were.
We know, I know the hackathon that took place last year, where virtually every machine was broken into fairly quickly.
I actually held a demonstration for my colleagues.
Here at the Capitol, where we brought in folks who, before our eyes, hacked election machines.
Those that are being used in many states.
Aging systems also frequently rely on unsupported software, like Windows XP and 2000, which may not receive regular security patches and are thus more vulnerable to the latest methods of cyber attacks.
In a close presidential election, they just need to hack one swing state.
Or maybe one or two.
Or maybe just a few counties in one swing state.
I'm very concerned that you could have a hack that finally went through.
Okay.
Hey, Brandon.
Yeah.
I want to tell everybody this.
So, you know how we bash Alan Duke all the time here on LindaleTV?
He's one of the biggest traitors this country's ever seen.
Yes, yes.
He runs Lead Stories.
He's the fact checkers for Facebook.
Now you just watched that clip there.
Now, if the way Alan Duke fact checks, okay, here's what, here's what, there was one false thing in there, Brandon.
There was a false statement in that, in that thing.
What, what was it?
It was the one guy that's 43% of the country use electronic voting machines.
Okay.
Well, either that was, you know, I don't know when he made that statement, But that's in the high 98%.
It might even be 100%, where the few counties we have out there in remote areas, their data, sure, it's hand counted with no machine, but it goes through a machine when it gets to the count.
So he said 43%.
So imagine me now, if I wanted to cover that up, or if Alan Duke, if this got put out there, Alan Duke would not want these Democrats saying that these machines are bad, right?
Yes.
He would not want that.
So I wonder if Alan Duke, I'm going to put this up on my Facebook.
I just told Alan Duke there's a false thing in there.
I wonder if he would cover it up and say it contains false information.
You follow what I'm saying?
Yes.
You know, it's disgusting what he's done to our country.
But anyway, everybody, you just heard it.
All the Democrats wanted it for two decades.
I believe they still want it.
They are the ones we're fighting.
John, welcome to the Lindell Report.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
that they want to keep this.
Well, let's bring in John, because I got a couple of questions right off the bat.
Okay.
John, welcome to the Lindell Report.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
Go ahead, Mike.
You know, you go ahead.
I'll chime in.
I got a couple questions, but I want the audience to catch up.
Okay, so we're gonna skip by a lot of the stuff we dealt with on Friday night and last night, because what we're really trying to get to, John, is the election part of your story.
The election part was an afterthought, is that right?
You just kind of stumbled on some of the election things that you're concerned about?
Well, we had a number of issues, and I heard Mr. Lindell earlier talk about Shasta County.
In 2007, I wrote a book called The Decline and Fall of California, and the third chapter in my book was called A Most Undemocratic State, and a lot of it concerned voting fraud in the state of California.
So I'm very familiar with the issue and I was familiar with the issue back then when I wrote about it.
Our investigation was basically about money laundering and most of it involved private parties.
It wasn't even involving public officials elected or appointed.
So when the election fraud issues came up, which first came up in October 2020, they were pretty minimal.
They were exceedingly important in terms of issues, but they were minimal in terms of our investigation.
When the 2022 election occurred, we saw so many flaws in the way the election was performed, including what happened within Maricopa County, that we actually went and looked more deeply at what we had and how it might be connected to election fraud.
Right.
Hey, John, OK, I want to I want to stop you there because I want to ask about three questions on this.
So what you've seen, when you just sat in the 2022 election, you've probably seen deviations in behavior, right?
You've also seen deviations like, gee, why isn't a judge looking at this?
It's unconstitutional, this stuff.
60% of the counties, the machines didn't work, where they couldn't even accept the paper.
All the stuff we had in our lawsuits.
Um, you had Katie Hobbs not even bothered to go to a debate.
I mean, just bizarre stuff that doesn't make sense.
There's got to be a hidden agenda.
I want to ask two things.
I've been saying for a long time on this show and even, even publicly, I go, I always said to myself, why didn't when the Democrats had all three of the houses, Senate and the, and the presidency back in, I think it was 10, 2010 and stuff back then.
Why didn't they make all the legals?
Are the illegals legal to get their votes?
And then I thought to myself, you know what?
There's, it's called a laundromat.
You have to have a way to launder billions and billions of dollars of cartel cash.
It's not like the 1980s where you can roll a wheelbarrow into Miami and wheel it into a bank and say, Hey, I want this high rise.
I want this car.
Okay.
And I told people that.
I said, I believe, and it was true then, that they were paying cash to illegals.
So they're avoiding paying billions of dollars in federal taxes and state taxes for employment.
So you're paying cash to these illegals and you're even underpaying them because they're not going to tell on themselves.
You know, they're not going to tell on the employer.
So, but then I thought to myself, Still, even with that, as I know it's so much in Arizona, California, Colorado, and even Texas, but these were all these laundromats of the illegals paying them cash.
Well, I thought, I always said to myself, There's got to be more and more ways to laundry money.
It's too much money to do that.
And then when I heard what you had going on, I'm going, wow.
You know, your thing that you've found is billions of dollars.
I think I read somewhere, I've seen it, $7 billion just in the state of Arizona.
My question to you is, Can you explain?
I couldn't wrap my head around.
How does this scam work?
To the best of your knowledge, how does the scam work with the mortgage company, a fake mortgage company?
I want to follow the money.
How does the money become clean?
You know, for people who are audience out there.
Most of them know how a laundromat works.
You take dirty money, and you turn it into money, even if you have to pay tax on it, it comes out clean, which means you can spend it, and you're not going to be, you're not going to, you've gotten through like a, like a, usually in businesses, you over-report your earnings to make it, and you add to cash to the, to the over-report, and you just over-report, and you can put cash in the bank by the tens of thousands of dollars.
So can you explain how this laundromat works?
Well, yeah, I'll explain it to you in two different ways and then I'll make a kind of a larger comment about it in terms of the numbers because I think the numbers are important and I know you guys will understand this.
The first way that they're laundered, and this has been going on in the country probably since there was property, since there was real property to purchase, is that monies that are unclean are put through a process of purchasing properties, usually single-family residences.
So, for example, if you're a drug supplier, you know, this isn't about dealers on the street level, but if you're a supplier and you're taking in millions of dollars in cash, you know, you can't take this to your bank.
You're not stuffing this under your mattress.
You're not taking a couple of thousand out to go to Costco to buy your groceries.
You have to find a place to put it and a safe place to put it.
The easiest way to put it anywhere is to go out and have a real estate agent go and purchase a single family residence for several hundred thousand dollars.
That's usually done in the name of a straw buyer.
So it's not your name that's on the deed.
It's the name of a straw buyer who goes, who has their name on the deed, purchases the property, holds the property for a year or two, and then sells the property.
When that property is sold, there's a new buyer that comes in.
There's a mortgage company usually for that buyer.
The monies all go to an escrow company.
The escrow company then usually wire transfers money to a bank account, and you've now cleaned the money.
That's one method of doing it.
Hold it right there.
I want to ask you something right there.
So when the money is bought, when the dirty money, the cash money buys the property, there's no regulations there to check where the money came from?
That's exactly right.
In fact, one of the problems and it's probably one of the main reforms we need to have is that unlike banks, escrow companies do not have reporting requirements.
So if you took in, and it doesn't quite happen this way, but if you literally took in a suitcase of cash to an escrow company, They wouldn't have a reporting requirement to the IRS.
If you took that into the bank, they would.
But going further than that, it's much harder to pay off a banker to take your cash and not put it on a report because the cash still shows up in the bank's records.
At any kind of an escrow company, you could pay off any escrow officer and they could just say it came in by check or it came in by transfer.
There's no checking and balancing of this within the regulations.
Gotcha.
Okay, go ahead.
Keep going.
Yep.
Got it.
Okay, so that's part one.
Part two of this is that a lot of times we find that the money laundering involves property developers.
If a developer is going to go in and purchase a build, say a hundred or two hundred houses, and of course Arizona especially has had a huge housing boom in this way.
Then what cartel people will tend to do, what people laundering cash will do, is they'll go to the developers and make deals with the developers for, as you said, over-inflating the values of things.
So if they paid a million dollars for concrete, that would be now two million dollars.
If they paid five million dollars on shingles for roofs, that would now be seven million dollars, and so forth.
So they over-inflate the prices that their alleged vendors are providing to them, and the cash is literally put through a vendor system like that.
That's a very common method in the United States.
Right.
Okay, I want to ask you that.
So I got a wheelbarrow full of cash, and you're doing that through the developer.
That developer, or even the vendor, doesn't the vendor, when they go in and make a deposit at a bank, somewhere along the line, doesn't someone say, where'd this cash come from?
But the problem is, is that it's not cash at that point.
Because what the vendor does is he sends a bill to the developer, the developer wire transfers money from cash, usually the cash that goes to the developer comes from a loan.
So what happens in the first instance is that the developer will go out, the developer doesn't have, you know, 20, 30 million dollars to build a property.
The developer has a certain amount of money and just like a mortgage that an individual takes on a house, A developer does the same thing.
They finance their projects.
So what usually happens is that you create a fake financing company, a privatized financing company.
And then what happens is the cash that goes into the financing company would be considered a capital contribution to that company at its startup.
So then that company loans the money to the developer, who then, of course, pays the money back out to a vendor.
OK, but the financing company, so when you have to have Somewhere where the cash physically gets into the system.
Eventually it's got to end up in a bank.
I'm talking about the physical paper cash.
Doesn't somebody along the way question, I don't care if it's the finance or whatever, his bank?
Are there banks that could be involved?
Smaller banks?
Well, no, there are banks involved, and we know this from over the years.
I think even Netflix has a particular documentary on it right now that explains a number of ways in which cartels over the years have brought drugs in the United States, taken cash, and then put them through legal investments to then lauder the money back into their countries of origin.
It's not that complicated.
I would actually say rather than us discussing all of the nuances, there are some of these documentaries that are absolutely terrific in explaining exactly how that works.
OK.
Okay, so I just wanted to clear that in so everybody understands what a money laundering is.
The cartel can't just come in here and go and give cash to everyone that they got on the take because people are going to get questioned.
Even if you go in and you're paying cash for a car, you're going to get questioned.
You go to a bank and you spend over $10,000, they'll even question you if it's $9,000.
Some bank's going, where'd you get all this cash?
You know, over 10, you're filling out a form.
So my question is then is, So if you have this mortgage thing going on, now it's an easy way to use this laundromat.
It's easier.
It's then you can take that money once it's laundered.
Now you can do whatever you want.
You can buy politicians, buy police, buy judges, right?
You can do, you're going to use that money against the people of our country to take our country basically, correct?
And that's exactly what happens.
You know, rather than giving somebody a pile of cash, if you give them, in essence, what is a mortgage, I mean, you see this all the time with contests and say, we'll pay off your mortgage.
Well, what if the mortgage itself is not a legitimate mortgage?
So you put, say, 10 or 20% down on your house.
but the mortgage that comes in to pay the rest of that buyer or that seller off is not real money.
It's money that comes from a falsified set up mortgage company, on paper a mortgage company, that then pays the
money in.
So now you own your house. On paper, it looks like there's a mortgage, hence a trust deed,
except that you don't really owe anything and there's nobody actually collecting. So you now have the equity in
the property as the bribe.
Okay, so let's say this. I want you, let's take one We won't even name names on this, but let's say it's a corrupt judge or a corrupt politician or a corrupt whatever.
So let's call it just a corrupt person A.
So that person, are they, could they possibly be, they don't know and they're getting that people, but obviously if they come to them, is that their current place they live in?
They say, Hey, we'll give you a piece of property over here.
Or do they, or how does that part work in your investigation you've done?
Well, what we have found in our investigation is something different than what a lot of other states do.
In the state of Arizona, what we have found is that most of the compensation is not paid when somebody is in the office, but when somebody is wanted for the office.
So what happens is that if you want to be, just take a judge for example, you know, the salary for a judge is not low compared to most Americans, but it's very low compared to what most lawyers earn.
So if you want to get a judge on your side, what you would do is you'd have to go to the judge and you have to convince him to give up his half a million dollar a year practice to take $100,000 a year salary.
And the way you're going to do that is to give him incentives or her incentives to become a judge, which means that they're going to get rid of their practice because they can't have a practice when they're a judge.
And you're going to compensate them through this system of it could be a refinance, what looks like a refinance on their property, or have them buy a whole new property and pay off and pay
the mortgage for them and then they don't owe on the mortgage. And we usually find this as I said at
the beginning of the person's career so that once they're in the system they're already
compromised. Okay so let's say I'm a crooked judge and I'm a crooked judge and I've got a I live in a or no I'm
a crooked lawyer and I'm given and I'm living a 50 or 5 or a million dollar house but I owe 800,000
on it.
These here come the bad guys and they'll go, Hey, if you go become a judge, we'll refinance the house.
And a few months later, we're going to pay the mortgage off for you.
Is that right?
Because you can't pay this mortgage company off.
You got to refinance it, then pay off the bad one.
Right?
Well, in essence, yeah, there's several ways that it works, and that's one of them.
Sometimes, depending on, you know, remember, when you're talking about Arizona, the value of houses in Arizona is not like it is in California.
This would be very difficult to do in California, simply because of what you say, the value of what the house is.
In Arizona, when you're talking about houses that are more like half a million dollar houses, And with mortgages that are, say, $300,000, it's a much easier process.
But yes, that's exactly what we see.
And so one of the things that we look for as a pattern of deceit is we look to see how many trust deeds there are for a given person during a given period of time.
We have kind of an algorithm for this where we know how many the average person does.
We know this because of market conditions.
When rates go down, people refinance their properties.
We know how many times people tend to sell their properties and move to another property.
How much they tend to sell and move to a more expensive property.
How much they tend to go downward to a less expensive property.
So we use these algorithms to test that against the deeds that they actually have.
And what we find more often than not is some of the things that you just said Which is that the properties that they buy, you know, suffer from not just one refinance, but usually two or three refinances over a very short period of time when market conditions would not make it a normal practice to do that.
Right.
It's a very big deviation because, you know, you look at it and go, this isn't normal.
There's got to be a reason, everybody.
When you have a deviation, whether it looks good or bad, it doesn't matter.
It's a deviation.
You have to have an input, a different input to get that different output when you have the status quo all across the lines.
And you have one here that's way up here.
You know, it'd be like this if you had houses In a neighborhood and they all went for $200,000.
They're all identical.
And you see one house went for $2,000,000.
You better find out.
Was it gold plated?
There's a reason for it, everybody.
And that's all you've done.
You know, basically anyone you're, you know, what we've done in the country, investigate deviations.
Um, so, so in Europe, by what you've found so far, you're basically the cartel.
If I'm the cartel to gain power and stuff or the unit party, whatever, and you know, whatever's going on.
Let's just say, let's go back to that lawyer to be a judge.
Is it illegal for a lawyer in private practice to be paid money to say, hey, go be a judge?
But then taking over power and everything, you're going to get more and more people then.
Once they, okay, let's just say, let's go back to that lawyer to be a judge.
Is it illegal for a lawyer in private practice to be paid money to say, hey, go be a judge?
Is that illegal?
It can be.
Every state, including Arizona, has election finance laws that put a lot of prohibitions on what monies you get and where you get them in terms of becoming a judge or running for an office.
And a judge, for the most part, especially at the superior court level, is an elected position.
So you are responsible for knowing all of the election laws and following them.
At the city court level, where judges are appointed, and they're appointed by the city council, that's much different because they don't run for re-election.
They are hired and fired by city councils.
So the rules are far more lax, and it's far easier to hire somebody in the first place who's going to be corrupt for you.
Is it possible that a politician, we'll just use crooked Katie Hobbs for an example.
So Katie Hobbs, And I'm not saying that because of your things.
I call these politicians that I know are not good like that all the time.
So here's Katie Hobbs.
So Katie Hobbs, could it be that, let's say, well, let's just use any, any, let's say it's a police officer, a judge, whatever the, whatever that this mortgage scam would be.
Is it possible that person came to them and said, Hey, we'll do this for you.
If you go judge that they, they could play plausible deniability.
I didn't know I did anything wrong.
You know, they said that if I went and did this, could they use plausible niability?
Could that really have happened or is that so?
You know what I mean?
I mean, could that happen and could a person say, hey, I didn't know.
Well, let's put it this way.
In the cases of a number of the politicians, let's leave outside judges for a moment because judges have a very simple and straightforward way that they become one.
But in terms of politicians who have to really actually have a campaign, actually have to finance the campaign, judges tend to be re-elected no matter what.
It's just that there's very little opposition to a judge running for re-election.
But for a politician who has to gain money, one of the things that we look for is not simply the deeds.
I think one of the things that was a little bit of a misnomer from our presentation was that, look, we had 20 minutes to basically show people what we were talking about.
That's a very limited amount of information to show people in a very limited amount of time in a hearing that we had every intention of understanding was going to become hostile at some point.
So, but what we have done, which is much broader than that, is we don't just look at the deeds.
We also look at their corporations, their LLCs.
We now can get documents from the Arizona Corporations Commission, including annual filings, the original filing, etc.
And so we look at a whole number of things.
We look at those things.
If there's other public documents available to us, we'll look at those.
Then we'll look at other things that may be a little more private.
But in the end, what we've looked at is a whole stream of documents.
And as you said, we use a lot of deviation methods to determine whether or not we even think we have something before we even go further.
OK, well, then my next question is Katie Hobbs.
I've been watching, I have not seen any of your stuff, but I've heard someone say, Mike, Katie Hobbs might be involved.
And I don't care if she's, if she, is she in your, what you've found so far, whether she's knowing or unknowing, and you can be subjective or whatever, you could say, well, if she's in on it or she's done something, we don't know how much, how much of it is illegal or not.
What do you have on Katie Hobbs?
Well, I think to answer part of what you just said, because I think it's very important for the audience to understand, you know, when you say, does anybody not know, chances are, no, that wouldn't be the case.
There's too much of it and it's too pervasive for somebody not to know that this is going on.
We did actually, in one case of a particular judge, we actually confronted the judge.
We actually confronted the judge with the deed problem and said, can you explain this pattern of deeds?
And, you know, the response from the judge was basically to scream at us.
I mean, scream at us, call us names, tell us we had no business looking at their deeds and they were thinking of suing us and maybe filing criminal charges because how dare we look at their public records?
Did you say, all that aside, how do you really feel, Judge?
Yeah, that's kind of exactly what we said.
I'll give you another example real quick, and then I'll end with this.
Obviously, you're hiding something, you know.
Yeah.
No, that's it.
Now, let me go a little bit further with this because there's one more step in this.
In one case, which was a lawyer who worked for the City of Phoenix, he was a lawyer for the City of Phoenix Police Department.
When we looked at, he actually contacted me, this is about two years ago, he contacted me about a matter that was related to my investigation.
So, just so people know, people did know about the investigations as they went on, various people did call, this was a lawyer for the City of Phoenix Police Department who called me.
One of the things that we do is we vet these people because we don't know where they come from.
And if I've never met them, I don't know anything about them.
When I went to his deeds, what I found was a series of deeds, four deeds over a six year period with him and his wife, where three of the four signatures of him and his wife on the deeds didn't match up at all.
So clearly he didn't sign these deeds, even though they're in his name and his wife's name.
On another call with him, I confronted him with this, and I said, can you explain this?
I think he then threatened to call the FBI on me for looking at his deeds.
Right.
Yeah, isn't, uh, this is something.
So, uh, I mean, basically you, this is, you've uncovered something that is, how many states are here?
I heard 20 states could be involved.
Well, there's two different aspects of that, and I'll go to the election part second.
In terms of the racketeering activities, in terms of buying properties and selling properties, and possibly the bribe scheme part of this, yes, we believe there's at least 20 states involved, and that's because we followed things like phone records.
We have, I think we've said before, about 8,000 pages of phone records and about 24,000 entries of both phone and cell records, and we've kind of followed where the calls go.
You know, what states they go to, etc.
What counties they go to.
And then we've gone to those counties and looked up their documents.
With respect to the election part of it, what's very concerning to us is some of the things that you played on your tape a little while ago with what the officials said.
You know, all those elected officials got it right on.
The ability to hack into machines is universal.
It doesn't matter whose machine, it doesn't matter how sophisticated they think their machine is.
That is just a fact of life that we have to live with and something we all have to protect ourselves from.
It's gotten so out of hand, partly because computer hacking and computer infiltration has become so sophisticated.
So what they said was all true.
One of the things that we looked at is we looked at swing states.
We said, all right, let's look at the 2016 election.
We look at the states where President Trump won by small margins, usually less than 3%, at least on paper, regardless of the fraud, areas where he won by less than 3%.
Because our feeling on it is that there's a lot of fraud you can do, and you mentioned some at the top of your broadcast.
But basically, to get away with it long term, you've got to have short margins of victory or loss to make it work long term.
So short term, you could throw an election, but long term, it can't be so obvious over and over and over again.
100%!
You're talking my language there!
Right.
So one of the things that we did was we said, all right, we're going to look at where the phone calls come in and out of.
We're going to look both at those counties and we're going to look at those states.
And what we found was oftentimes the frauds that we were looking at in terms of both the laundering and the bribery went to both states and the counties that were susceptible to fraud in a way that could change the outcome of elections.
Now, that doesn't mean it did happen that way.
And we certainly weren't asked to do that.
But one of our main concerns was is that you had somebody, one of the people on that video, I forget which congressman it was, made a very astute observation.
For a Democrat, it was extremely astute.
He said, what if you simply make small changes in one or two counties in a presidential election in one or two swing states?
It does not take 20 or 30 states to change the results of an election.
It takes three or four counties in key states, and then you have an entirely different election result.
That's correct.
And when you talk about deviations, I've said it before.
If everybody said Arizona, if Donald Trump won $3 million to Biden's 10 votes, Everybody would say there's a computer problem, or if it was the other way around.
You have to so-called boil the ocean and do it everywhere so you don't have these deviations.
And when you have to have a deviation, you've got to put out propaganda ahead of time so that the people will believe that outcome.
Otherwise they're going to go, hey, we got to check into this.
I always say, John, I have, I bring up the biggest deviation happened over in Georgia in the primary where this Democrat, her and her husband, nice lady, there's three Democrats running and she got zero votes in her own precinct.
Zero.
So that was a little bit of a deviation where I said it before, if they gave her two votes, they'd say, I'm sorry, ma'am, we can't look into it.
Only your husband loves you.
Everybody else said you're no good.
But they had to look into it, and old crooked Brad Rassenberger says, you know, yep, you got 3,700.
You went from third place to first place, changed the course of history just by them looking into it.
Then three counties over, another lady got 4,600 votes, another Democrat, three Democrats, but she wasn't on the ballot.
Now that's a big deviation when you're not even on the ballot.
She had dropped out two months earlier.
Crooked Brad looked into that and said it was a programming error.
The only problem is everybody, they had to actually type that person's name in into the algorithm so that all 4,600 votes came from the person they wanted to lose and gave it to this lady so this other person won.
But anyway, um, so, I want to say one thing.
You bring up one good point that I'm thinking of.
I want everybody to think about this.
Let's just say, you kind of answered my question.
It's a pretty big deviation.
Let's say that I don't care if you're a politician or you're a police officer or a judge, whatever it may be, and someone comes to you, I don't care for what reason, and says, hey, how about I pay off your mortgage if you do this?
I mean, that's kind of weird in itself.
I would kind of question, well, what do you get?
What, what do you want for that?
Well, I just want you to run and be a judge.
Well, why do I have to do something for you?
You know, there has to be, nobody would just accept that.
Hey, I'm going to pay off your mortgage.
If you go become a judge or if you become, it has to be bribery, something you have to give something for it because they're laundering money there.
Either, and they're getting, my guess is that the cartels are getting a big chunk of it, and the person doing the laundromat, they're getting just a cut of it.
That's probably, there's that.
Or, if you're getting all the money, you gotta give it to them in other kinds of favors.
Right?
This is how the mafia works, this is how the cartels work.
You don't get to, you know, because that was another question somebody asked me.
Well, in this laundromat, why would the cartels give their dirty money and it ends up with the politician or whoever it is?
I said, no, they might not get all of it.
They might get paid up, but then that money becomes clean money.
Maybe they get 20% to be part of this laundromat, or they're getting 100% because they've got to give them favors later that help them do the rest of the laundromat, right?
Well, let me blow your mind with something here because in Arizona, especially, this is a symbiotic relationship for a reason.
It's not even as much.
You need to think about it a different way than you've ever probably thought about it before.
You know, what you said is true, which is if somebody comes to you and says, I'll pay off your mortgage, I want you to run for judge or run for state senator or run for state house.
For sure, they expect things in return.
No different than what a lobbyist does.
You know, we're going to fly you to wherever and we expect you to vote on a bill.
So it's not any different than that.
But in Arizona, there's one unique difference and that is the finances of Arizona, the ability of the state to survive financially, is now totally completely dependent on illegal money.
And I want to say that again.
Cartel money is what makes the state work.
It's what keeps the taxes low.
It's what keeps everybody in business.
If you took out the cartel monies tomorrow, if you sealed the border, so to speak, if you didn't let drug monies play out to some degree, you would literally bankrupt the state of Arizona.
So now what you have is rather than the cartels, in a sense, going to politicians to get things that they want, you've got politicians in a awful position of trying to keep a state alive with reasonably low taxes, things that attract businesses to it, that have to rely on illegal monies to keep the economy going.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, that's probably another big reason, everybody, that they didn't want Carrie Lake in power Because she would, the first thing she was going to do is close that border and melt down the voting machines and turn them into prison bars for all the rest of them there.
Fix the platforms and shut down the, do the two things they don't want the most.
They don't want their way that they get these politicians with their corrupt machines and they don't want that border closed up.
You bring up, that's a great point.
She was probably their number one.
That's why we're already, by the way, everybody, And I'll tell you this, you might not know this, John, but we were hoping that that next judge would shut down or vote against her, which they did two weeks ago.
We're bringing it this week.
The lawyers are all getting it ready for the Arizona Supreme Court.
And if we lose there, guess where it's going?
To the U.S.
Supreme Court.
They don't have to worry.
You think they care about the cartels running the state of Arizona that they depend on?
Those nine justices are going to rule 9-0 is what I'm thinking.
You know what?
You can't break our Constitution in these elections by the machines, 60% of them not running, all the stuff that went on in one of the most corrupt elections.
It's so bizarre that these aren't even internal stuff in the machines.
These were, you would think, what do you think, John?
Here's a deviation for you.
Once you think, if everybody's complaining, you got some pillow guy out there and everyone in the world's going, get rid of the machines.
Once you think that you would have these machines at least running good on the front end, you know, you would think that they would at least be working so you could do your corruption on internally, but they didn't even do that.
Well, they're playing music, so I guess we got to go.
John, what you've done and your hard work, I'm hoping that it gets out there far and wide.
And we're going to keep you coming.
Keep coming to the report.
Where do you go from here?
Do you have to be putting the information out there?
Yes.
I mean, one of the things that we do is behind the scenes, there's a lot of work that we do that we don't talk about, which means that there are enforcement agencies out there, especially on the federal level, that are very interested in what we do.
We do update them periodically on our work.
And I would bet you that, you know, before the end of the year, you're going to see enforcement agencies move, at least on some of what we've reported to date.
Right, right.
Well, hopefully when yours are all uncovered, hopefully we got enough machines because we're going to melt them down, turn into prison bars.
Hopefully we have enough bars to be able to put them all behind there.
So thanks, John.
Thanks for all your work.
God bless you.
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