Megyn Kelly and guests dissect the 45-day Nancy Guthrie disappearance, scrutinizing Sheriff Joe Nano's conflicting claims of knowing a motive without identifying suspects. They analyze surveillance footage of a masked intruder, debate the relevance of January 24th video showing a Black man versus the suspected Hispanic or White kidnapper, and critique the sheriff's shifting narratives that fuel neighbor fatigue. While experts question the feasibility of iris recognition and dismiss cartel involvement due to federal retaliation risks, the discussion highlights potential investigative failures like crime scene degradation and concludes that inconsistent leadership may be hindering cooperation as the search enters critical territory. [Automatically generated summary]
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every weekday at noon east hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show it is now day 45 in the search for nancy guthrie no suspect no vehicle no motive has been identified in this case though the sheriff did say he believes he knows the motive to the local nbc affiliates So that's something.
It has been over a month since images and surveillance video of a masked man in front of Nancy Guthrie's front door were released by authorities.
The suspect caught on camera does not seem to be a criminal mastermind, at least that's our viewpoint.
He appears to be trying to cover up the nest camera with nearby shrubs.
But on the other hand, he's gotten away with his crime for 44 plus days.
And that says something given that they had reportedly some 400 law enforcement officers on this in the very beginning.
Today, we will dive into what we know about him.
We at least think that it's a male, and the potential theory of more than one suspect.
You remember Maureen yesterday saying she believes that the perp on that porch had a walkie-talkie in his pocket.
And if he had a walking talkie, there was an accomplice.
And that's her theory.
Brian Enton is reporting that the FBI returned to that Mexican restaurant.
It's called El Charal Cafe in Tucson, the one that Nancy Guthrie was sitting with Savannah and Annie Guthrie in for that Today Show segment that aired in November of 2025.
The FBI reportedly asking if there was anyone suspicious around during filming, if anyone wanted to take photos, if anyone got angry, or if they lingered.
I mean, that's just good police work, right?
Just going back to a place where you know Savannah and her mother were in public together and finding out whether there are any leads there.
There are also a lot of questions surrounding the potential technology that could solve this case, right?
From those images that we saw on the front door to many other techniques that we're learning about that the FBI has in its arsenal.
First, though, we're going to take a look back at some of the early coverage of Nancy's disappearance when we first saw the suspect together.
Remember, we were live in the air when this happened.
Just how little information the authorities made public as the Guthrie family begged for help, and an MK show demonstration surrounding a nest camera at the center of this case.
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We begin this morning with the search for Nancy Guthrie now entering its second week at the...
Authorities say there is still no suspect or person of interest in the case.
Reaction from the highest levels of government.
We have some things I think that will maybe come out reasonably soon.
A reported ransom note.
$6 million in Bitcoin by 5 p.m. tonight.
I'll read you one line.
They say it is in the best interest of everyone to have this completed as soon as possible.
We received your message and we understand.
And we will pay.
It's now day 10 of the search for Nancy Guthrie.
Authorities believe she was forcibly removed from her Arizona home, but beyond that, they don't seem to know much else.
Yesterday, the Pima County Sheriff's Department posted on X, quote, investigators have not identified any suspects, persons of interest, or vehicles connected to Nancy Guthrie.
Great job.
And the FBI in a statement given to this show and other media outlets yesterday saying, quote, the FBI is not aware of any continued communication between the Guthrie family and suspected kidnappers.
Nor have we identified a suspect or person of interest in this case at this time.
But the FBI, we've now learned, has been brought in, as I've been reporting, kind of late and then stiff armed by the sheriff.
Hi there, everybody.
And now we have heard again directly from Savannah Guthrie.
Her tone was not optimistic.
As we enter into another week of this nightmare, we are at an hour of desperation and we need your help.
As we went to break, the FBI released four pictures of a man clearly outside of Nancy Guthrie's front door in a ski mask, in leather gloves, wearing a backpack, and they are terrifying.
All I can think looking at these is, oh my God, this poor 84-year-old woman saw this man in her bedroom.
There's video, you guys, look at this, of him approaching the Nest Cam.
He takes his right hand, the side, like where your pinky knuckle is, and he starts kind of like, it looks like he's banging it.
He's trying to get the not hard though.
Then he turns around.
Now I can see the back of the backpack.
This is going to be very helpful.
They're going to be able to see what brand this is.
It's a treasure trove, you guys.
It's a treasure trove.
I mean, they hit pay dirt.
They got the gold, you guys.
Like they, somehow the system did still have this.
We can see his gait, Maureen.
We can see how he walks, which is also another big tell.
Yes, and I notice how people walk.
I can tell their footfall as they walk down the hallway, who's coming.
And this is the break I think we've all been waiting for.
Here is what the Nest camera looks like.
And we're going to show you a demonstration that we did.
Taking it off the base is easy.
We can pull it right off.
And does not stop the filming.
And anybody who knows the Nest camera should know that if you have this little key, it pops right off.
It would take nothing for like an experienced burglar or kidnapper to know, oh, all I need is this little thing.
It's off.
And you don't even need this.
Just wiggle it a little and it came right off.
There's not an on-off switch, guys.
Getting it off is not enough.
It should still be rolling and there should still be images of the guy getting it off.
What didn't we see?
A smashed Nest camera.
It's gone.
So you tell me whether you think Cash Protel possibly has shots of this guy stealing it, damaging it, or whether the guy was so dumb, he took it eventually, put it in that backpack, and possibly they have actual pictures of the inside of the house and what went down that are waiting to be retrieved by the geniuses at Google.
The clock is ticking now, but they're going to get him.
Somebody knows him.
Time's not on this guy's hands.
Your days are numbered.
It's just a matter of time before we do a news alert saying he's been caught.
I just, I can feel it.
There's just, those pictures are too good.
It's been too long already, but doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
Joining me now to discuss it all, Chad Ayers, former SWAT team leader, and Jonathan Gilliam, former Navy CLN FBI special agent and author of Sheep No More.
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It's sort of chilling to see it as it happened and those images came in.
And we totally thought, Chad, it was just a matter of days after those images broke that this guy would be under arrest.
How wrong we were.
Yeah, how anything that we've talked about just does not seem to have come to fruition yet.
But let's be honest, that's law enforcement.
You know, we live in a time where people want answers.
We have cell phones.
We get answers immediately.
And unfortunately, in these types of cases, it lasts longer.
It actually takes me back to a case here in the upstate of South Carolina where there was a horrific homicide that went unsolved, like four or five people killed in a motorbike store back in the late 90s.
And it took probably close to 20 years until that case was solved.
So, you know, I can't imagine the Guthrie family, you know, and poor Savannah happening to fly back to New York, you know, and try to get a normal life started back again, get her life going, still knowing mom is out there, you know, whether she's alive or not, we don't know, but it's just heartbreaking.
And that video, I mean, it just tears at your heart.
I still feel like, Jonathan, that video will solve this case.
I still, I mean, it's, that's only been one month since that video hit.
So it's not like that's not an eternity in law enforcement.
And I just still feel like maybe in that mountain of tips they received all the thousands, there's something or there's somebody who's still going to come forward and say, I want the million dollars and I know that guy.
Right.
I think some of the biggest things that popped out over that period of time that you compiled all that video was that he was seen before that, prior to that night.
And that has been really not talked about that much.
It kind of was, oh, yeah, he was there before and then that was it.
But that gives us a lot of understanding about that the individual was somewhat familiar with the neighborhood, that he was familiar enough with that house that he went back.
And so I think there's probably more video information out there than what they've given us.
And I'm not sure why they haven't released a little bit more detail about the other times that he might have been there and really talked about that more.
As you've shown, this sheriff from the very beginning made huge mistakes because it was kind of like the O.J. Simpson judge.
You know, this guy, you can tell that he either wants his own TV show or he's just taking this limelight and running with it.
It goes along with the personality that's been reported by him or about him.
And I think when you look at the totality of the statements, and especially yesterday with this interview that he gave and this conflicting information that makes, once again, no sense.
Why would you be telling people that you know the motivation of this individual when you're also telling them you don't have a suspect?
So, you know, that you don't know the motivation.
You have a theory of what the motivation is.
But if you don't have the individual, most likely you don't know exactly what the motivation is.
But when he makes comments, he makes final or comments with finality, like we're ruling out the family.
Well, you can't rule out the family unless you have identified at least what happened there.
And to our knowledge, we don't even know if she was taken or alive or dead.
So, you know, I think it's been a problem with this sheriff.
I do realize that there's people working behind the scenes.
But again, with the sheriff's department, the way it's been reported is that if he doesn't like somebody, he gets rid of them despite their experience.
So we have to question the experience of the investigators.
And I just think that so much time elapsed from her missing and the time that the family called to the point where law enforcement actually got involved within a day and a half, he made a statement, the sheriff, saying that he was standing down the search to give his deputies time to rest for 24 hours.
That made no sense to me whatsoever.
And then lastly, you know, I've been talking a lot.
I was on a show with the guys from the Cajun Navy International.
Incredible group of guys.
They are people, but the guys that run it, they have access to, I haven't seen assets like this since I was in the FBI.
I mean, they have access to not a dog, dogs, tons of people, FLIR drones, their experience in finding bodies in water and so on and so forth.
And they have offered, which I overwatched this long or looked at and reviewed for them this long operations order, how they could step in and assist.
Never even got anything back from law enforcement except for a thank you, but no thank you.
So there's these things that just don't make any sense at all.
And I think it all comes down to ego and what ends up happening in that, you know, cases suffer.
And like Chad said, you know, you're seeing law enforcement because this is that I think this more than the incompetency of criminals, this type of stuff happens a lot in law enforcement and derails investigations.
Either they're either overworked, understaffed, or they have investigators that have not been trained properly, or they have leadership that should never have been promoted into the positions that they're in.
Go ahead, Chad.
Well, I read yesterday, Megan, that 85 out of 86 officers, deputies from this agency have no confidence in their own sheriff.
That's no bueno.
If you have a leader, well, I can't shed.
I can't even call him a leader at this point, unfortunately.
But if you have someone at the head of this agency that is spewing off facts that aren't or making it seem like they're facts and they're not facts and they've not been proven, we can't do this.
I agree.
You know, what Maureen was saying earlier, too, the fact of why is the PIO not the one?
That is their job.
That's their sole job.
Why does the PIO for the cops?
That's why police departments have them.
But he probably wanted to see his face on TV.
He was very quick to run to do the rounds as soon as the Nancy case broke.
Remember, he did all sorts of podcasts.
I was like, what is this guy doing?
He's doing like everybody's show.
And then he had the pressers and then he seemed to realize he didn't want to share with the FBI, stopped the pressers, went back to just him in front of the cameras, which he's continued now, though less frequently.
But he seems to enjoy seeing his face on camera.
And he's all over the board of the messaging.
Here's my question for you, Chad.
Here's something I can't, I can't understand.
I can understand how this is not solved yet and still could be.
Why haven't we seen an arrest of the ransom note people, right?
Like the first guy wrote the alleged ransom note and said you have till Thursday, and then I think it's 4 million by Thursday, but it's going to be 6 million if you wait until Monday.
And I want my money in a Bitcoin, and he sent it to Harvey and he sent it to the two locals.
Harvey said all along, law enforcement's taking that very, very seriously.
Like this actually could be the guy.
Clearly, the family believed it actually could be the guy because they did responsive videos.
Then nothing.
Then on top of that one, there was another guy who swooped in and said, I can tell you who the perpetrator is.
I saw them down in Mexico with Nancy, but I want a Bitcoin in order to give up.
So that seems like obvious bullshit, number two.
And number one, maybe, maybe bullshit as well.
Where's the arrests of those people?
Truly, like one of those could potentially lead you, at least, you know, possibly to the kidnapper.
So, like, is it so hard?
I can see why it's really hard to track down Nancy's abductor, but why is it so hard to track down those two guys?
Well, I think that Jonathan probably has a little bit more experience on international than I do.
I personally, from the get-go, I thought this was some type of international scam group, an organized group that's trying to scam people out of this.
We see it every single day.
People calling saying, Hey, grandma, I'm in jail, send me money, or hey, add some money onto this.
You've got a warrant, you missed court, you can pay this fine.
So, I do know that a lot of times, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine that's with the United States Secret Service, and obviously, they work a lot of financial type crimes.
And they, you know, because I brought this up, why is it taking so long to get to these people asking for the ransom?
And the way they were explaining it, and again, I'm I'd love Jonathan to kind of jump in as well.
But sometimes these international groups and their IP addresses, I know we've talked a lot about that, but just tracking them down, they're in some desolate town, you know, in the middle of West Africa somewhere, can be very difficult.
What do you make of it, Jonathan?
I just feel like, why would it be so hard, especially the second numbskull, you know, is like, and I want a Bitcoin to tell you who the kidnapper is.
I saw him south of the border with Nancy.
Wait, they can't, they can't find that guy.
There's absolutely no records, like there's no tools to figure out who these people are and pierce the veil and the Bitcoin veil or some other veil, you know, the email veil, and find out who's claiming to have a connection to this case.
I mean, they could have followed it back as far as they could, and it's just, you know, an internet cafe in Nigeria.
It's there, just there's just nothing going to be there.
I mean, even banks, you know, this happens a lot where people will tell somebody, Hey, I'm going to buy your car from you because I see you're selling the car in Facebook market.
I see you're asking 10,000 for it.
Well, I have this cashier's check for $12,000.
I'll give you that $12,000 to hold the car, and then you just keep the extra $2,000 for doing this for me.
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And people go fall for that.
And then what happens is when they take that cashier's check to the bank, that bank doesn't really exist.
And so the money goes into their account.
And then when the bank that this person has finds out that that bank isn't real, then that person's in Hawk for $12,000 and lost their car.
So they believe that's the way a lot of these cars got over to Iraq and Afghanistan during the war.
You saw all these American cars that were stolen that were over there.
That's one of the ways that happened.
So let me pivot then.
Okay, I get it.
Let me pivot to the next related question.
There was a very interesting discussion on Nancy Grace about the tattoo on the wrist of the perpetrator, the guy who we did see on Nancy's porch.
And it may have international connections.
I don't know.
The FBI, Nancy's reporting, has enlarged, refined, and brought in a team of analysts to review the tattoo.
You can see, for listening audience, we're showing just a tiny bit of the perp's arm.
And you can see that clearly this guy's got a tat.
And you can see a little bit about it.
I can't make out much about it, but you can definitely tell that he's got a tattoo.
Well, Nancy had on a guy named Darren Rosa, who's a tattoo artist of the Rising Dragon tattoos in New York City, 30 plus years in the tattoo business.
And this happened just a few days ago.
They talked about what this could signal about the subject.
Let's listen here.
Black and gray work is a very prevalent style among gangs, Mexican people who might be in these gangs or cartels.
This is even considered hallmarks of people who've moved up in the echelons of a gang.
You know, these people are out in the sun.
The southern western states get heavy sun exposure.
So this style of artistry can withstand the elements.
If this is all we're seeing, this is most likely the continuation of something that covers this man's entire arm.
Most likely he's got tattoos on his hands.
Most likely, he's got tattoos on his neck and maybe even something under his eye because this is what they do.
Very interesting, Jonathan.
And like, that's from somebody who knows.
Like, I believe that guy with ease.
Yeah, I mean, it could be.
It could be a lot of things.
And that's, that's the problem, you know, Megan, with all this evidence that is speculation.
And, you know, Nancy Grace likes to pump things up quite a bit.
So it could be.
Yeah, well, I've had my issues with Nancy Grace before.
And I was right, by the way.
So, you know, when you put something on there like that, what I do like about that, however, is that it is a good possibility.
And this guy knows that when somebody gets them on their wrist, then they probably have it on their hand and it probably goes up their arm.
So that, and it takes a while to get those tattoos.
So somebody who's doing that could have had that.
But again, it's speculation.
It's not proof.
But I like hearing what that guy had to say.
So, you know, here's the problem.
And I mean, if it's real, we're talking about a possible Mexican gang tattoo.
And that is one of the things that's been lingering over this case all along, how close she is to the southern border, how sort of professional the kidnapping seemed, you know, got in, got out, got away with it.
You know, that's still very much a viable possibility.
So easy to cross back over across the border without getting detected.
No one's going to bother you really at all.
So, you know, it's just one of the many things.
If that is a Mexican gang tattoo, it's I don't know how he got that from that wrist.
I don't know how he came up with that part of it.
But I mean, there's a lot of people who get, especially in Arizona.
It's like a thing to have a sleeve.
He says black and gray work is a very prevalent style among gangs, Mexican gangs.
They like to get black and gray, that that's a thing.
That's like a style for the gangs.
I mean, if you look down at your wrist and you have a black and gray tattoo, you might be in a gang.
Also, if you take Waze the wrong way to the airport.
Chad can tell you this as well is that now this, even that little bit right there, if somebody has had their has been arrested and they have tattoos, they're going to have their tattoos recorded.
So there could be a database that recognizes that portion and somebody just has to put that together.
It's so tight.
Yeah, but it doesn't take much.
So this is the problem.
Like here too.
So this is one of the things I wanted to mention to you.
I didn't know about this, but apparently there is next, the FBI is using next generation identification technology, NGI technology, and it's got all sorts of really cool things that they will use, like advanced fingerprint ID, latent and palm prints, and then something called the iris service, the iris service.
And I was like, well, that sounds very promising because you can see this guy's irises.
You know, he's got the face mask on, but the irises, yeah, that's inside the eyeball.
You can see those pretty clearly.
And this is an iris image repository within the FBI system.
All iris images enrolled in the repository are linked to a 10-print fingerprint record.
It has an automated iris search and that it's used for identification validation at some correctional facilities, to your point of like what they have at the tattoos.
Typically, inmates have an image of their iris scanned upon arrival.
Then when they're moved or released, staff scan the inmates' eyes again to help ensure that they're moving or releasing the correct person.
That's fascinating.
And so there's a question about whether this guy's irises could potentially have been helpful here.
Back to your friend Nancy, Jonathan.
She had on an expert this month who said that, yes, this exists, but this would be tough because, you know, most of these retinal scans require deeper imaging.
And we don't know that we have that of this guy.
I'll give that one to you, Chad.
Yeah, obviously, and I don't know enough about this technology.
I do know that the ring doorbell is obviously operating off of some type of IR infrared light, you know, to capture that image.
So I don't know if that could affect, you know, if that IR hitting the light, if you're getting some type of glare, you know, bounce back that's not truly capturing that iris image.
You know, I will go back just kind of briefly to the tattoo thing.
I think it is interesting and important to note that I agree that I don't know many men who go just get wrist tattoos.
I would agree that this is probably a full sleeve.
So again, we start diving into databases or getting images out there or questions in the community.
Hey, who do we know?
Do we know workers or anybody that has full sleeve tattoos that also has that soul patch that we've mentioned before that we saw under his lip?
You know, it's starting to kind of that that is all part of this investigation, I promise you, building this thing up piece by piece.
Nothing kind of gets swept to the side.
We've got to use all of the evidence to put the, you know, to paint this picture here.
What do you make of the possible iris service possibilities, Jonathan?
And also there is, for example, the interstate photo system.
That's where they have a repository of all photos received with 10 print transactions.
That's the electronic submission of an individual's 10 fingerprints.
So anybody who's been fingerprinted, they'll have that.
Of course, they'll have facial recognition, which I'm sure they've been trying to use on this guy's face, even though it's covered by the ski mask.
I mean, is it possible that this stuff takes longer than 30 days and these are still viable possibilities?
Well, so some of this information in these databases and these systems, these applications that they have, they can, like if it's you and I right here and we're playing, they can look at it and say, okay, that's Megan Kelly.
Jonathan Gillam, you know, but they're, but when you've got partial part of your face cover, the majority of your face cover, the system may be able to look at it, but it may not be able to say this is absolutely that person.
That's like a partial DNA that they get somewhere.
They just won't have the ability to match it up.
Like Chad was saying, perhaps the IR lighting affects that in some way, shape, or form.
But if this individual, and that's the other thing, if they've been scanned before, then like if this individual has been in prison before, then there's a potential that that could have been scanned.
But also, Megan, as you know, prisons are government related.
And so just because these 10 prisons do it doesn't mean the other 20 do.
So you may not have a complete database if everybody's been in jail.
So that's a problem.
Never as easy as you want it to be.
Never.
Let's keep going because there's a lot of other stuff I want to get to.
Yesterday, Maureen and Fitz were suggesting, Maureen in particular, thought that that one item in the suspect's right pants pocket was a walkie-talkie.
We've had the discussion before, but she's convinced that that was a walkie-talkie because talk had turned to whether it might be potentially a Wi-Fi jammer.
Some of the neighbors were reporting that their Wi-Fi was mysteriously down right around the time that Nancy was taken.
It's also come out now, thanks to ABC News, that the cops have retrieved additional images from Nancy's remaining cameras around her home.
No moving pictures, but still images, but nothing from the night in question.
Law enforcement on her property after the fact, the pool workers prior to, but nothing on the night in question.
And so many people say maybe there was a Wi-Fi jammer, but there's a debate about whether that really could be a Wi-Fi jammer that was used that night because A, it didn't work.
We saw images of the suspect at 212.
Maybe they jammed it at 147 when the images first went offline.
The cameras were said to first go offline, but by 212, they were clearly recording some images again.
And others said if he had a Wi-Fi jammer that was strong enough to shut down the neighbor's Wi-Fi, you're talking about this like NASA shit.
Like that's next level, you know, criminality there.
And this guy with his little vegetation over the ring camera didn't exactly project NASA shit.
Okay, so all of this is to get to is that more likely a walkie-talkie in the pants?
And so we talked to them yesterday, Fitz and Maureen, and there was a question raised by Fitz about whether it's not a walkie-talkie, but it's a police scanner.
That's interesting because you guys well know that these, you know, criminals want to be criminals and want to be cops, you know, often listen to the police scanners for information.
And look at this.
That's that's what a police scanner looks like right here on the left.
And now I'll show you what the walkie-talkie looks like, a walkie-talkie.
It's almost identical.
I mean, like we have no idea.
We really can't assume this is a walkie-talkie and thus there's an accomplice.
They look almost identical, guys.
So anybody have any thoughts on what that likely was inside this suspect's pocket?
Well, let's go, let's start with the walkie-talkie aspect.
I've said from day one, there's no way.
I don't want to say no way.
It would be very difficult for this to be a single person operation.
Nancy, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way.
She was 84, but she wasn't a very tiny and petite lady.
So to have to move someone, whether she moved on her own, she couldn't walk a far distance more than what they say, 50 feet or 50 yards on her own without having to sit down.
So I've always felt like there was a second person involved.
So if these people do have a little bit, they're still criminals.
Criminals screw up.
But if they had some type of training or professionalism behind them, they left their cell phones, all right, and they operated it off of two-way radios.
That's a possibility.
If it is a scanner, which listen, I know that a lot of criminals use scanners.
We had a bank robbery group here in the upstate in the 80s that that's what they were doing.
They were using scanners and luring law enforcement to other areas of town.
And once they heard that they were on scene there, they'd go rob these banks.
So, you know, there's a lot of benefit to scanners.
What would be interesting is at that time of night, how many 911 calls or how many costs or service or traffic stops did the Pima County Sheriff's Office respond to?
Was there radio traffic that could have been picked up on that ring doorbell during that time?
Obviously, ring doorbells also are operating.
You know, you're hearing audio outside as well.
So is that something that they could have, you know, downloaded and got from Google too?
Is you're hearing that scanner go off.
But I'm leaning more honestly towards the two-way radios and they're communicating with each other.
Yeah, then we are talking about an accomplice.
Let me show you the soundbite to which two of them, which I'm referring here, Jonathan.
This is Ted Nearhouse, a security tech consultant, speaking to NBC News about whether this was a Wi-Fi jammer.
Nearhouse says he's skeptical a Wi-Fi jammer was used at Nancy's abduction.
If they turned that thing on when they pulled up, you'd never have any video on any camera.
So that's why I don't think anything was jammed.
Now, that's interesting because, you know, what they said when they released the timeline in this case, Jonathan, was that at 1.47 a.m., the cameras were brought offline by something.
The cameras were at 147 somehow brought offline.
And then at 212, they said image detected.
That's how Sheriff Nanos described it.
And so, and he said it could have been an animal.
You know, and it wasn't until we were all together that one day in the middle of February that Kash Patel released actual images of the bad guy that somehow had been recorded, even though they weren't supposed to be recording on the Nest Cam found, you know, deep within the Google service, Google owns Nest.
So it's never really made perfect sense how the guy seems to have knocked comms offline at 147, only for them to still be working at 212.
Well, and these are questions that I've had along the way.
Like when these cameras set for a while and there's no activity, does the camera then shut down to save battery life?
Because most of these are on battery.
They're not hardwired to the house.
So that could have been the case.
So, you know, you have animals or certain things.
That night, it was, I looked at the moon cycle.
It was a full moon that night.
So the camera could have been recording different things that alerted it.
And then it just shut down because nothing had alerted it for a while.
And then when somebody walked by or approached, like he could have walked by that house before and alerted that camera and then it shut down and then he comes in there.
So I don't, I don't know exactly what the answer is to that, Megan, but I think the scanner part of it, you know, in all my career, I have not seen an individual that's trying to break in somewhere.
And I've done some cases where we worked with some very, they weren't high profile, but the burglaries that they were committing were very high profile.
And they never used a scanner.
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They didn't use radios in most of those cases.
They were just very smart about what they did.
They do sometimes use scanners.
I've seen scanners used more than I've seen radios used by police.
Police scanner, you mean?
Yes.
And so I'm kind of leaning towards possibly a scanner or, you know, some, I was looking up non-smart cell phones, if they're still readily available and what a burner phone looks like.
It could have had a phone, but had it turned off.
The other thing could have been a Garmin GPS.
If the guy's not familiar with that area, that's about the size of a Garmin GPS handheld GPS that you would use when you go hiking.
And so it could have been, you're so right because I feel like, doesn't a police scanner make perfect sense?
If you're going into a stranger's home and your plan is to abduct her or whatever his plan was as he was entering, breaking and entering, you would want to know what the hell the police were.
Like you'd hear it.
You're waiting to hear somebody call 911 and hear dispatch sends somebody to the home, right?
I mean, that's why you would be carrying the scanner.
But the size of that pocket, I'll tell you this.
If you look at that picture, the size of the pocket in that jacket, and I'm kind of familiar with that type of jacket, it's not a super deep pocket.
So whatever is sticking out of there does not have a big antenna.
You look at the scanner on the left, those typically scanners have a little bit bigger of an antenna on it.
The personal handheld radios that you would also buy at Walmart have an antenna that looks like that.
And so do the Garmin GPSs.
They both have a very small antenna.
Typically, the scanners, the police scanners have a larger antenna so they can reach out further.
So that's the only reason why I'm moving away from a potential scanner to a handheld radio, which then would give credence that there's probably more than one person.
Or this guy could just be some kind of fruitcake that wants to gear up like a cop and have a radio and a gun and go rob people.
So that happens a lot as well.
You know, a lot of criminals, for whatever reason, they like to mimic police officers and carry gear and radios while they go and do things.
But I don't know.
Any of this, here's the most important thing about this.
All of this is possible.
And but it all leads into certain directions.
You know, if there, if he has a radio, then there's a potential that's somebody else.
If there's somebody else, there's a potential that they were canvassing areas to rob or they were focused on her.
So you have to look at all these theories and then you put those different possibilities on a board and then you see where the evidence fills in.
I still think that if she was accidentally killed or killed in lieu of a burglary, or if she was abducted and they didn't know what to do with her, her body is somewhere within two hours of that house.
And I just don't see the outer perimeter sheriffs involved.
I haven't heard anything about any other sheriffs or police departments involved in their areas looking at canvassing areas where she could have been dumped and not having the ability to bring other people in and search because the sheriff is a problem.
There needs to be a broader search other than just five miles from her house.
Yeah.
Oh, it's one thing, Chad, to be a control freak if you're amazing at your job in solving crime.
It's quite another to have that quality when you're a bumbler who has a sketchy past when it comes to your law enforcement days and who, as you point out, doesn't have the confidence of any of the people working underneath you.
It's not so great to have a control freak in that setting.
You need somebody to help him out.
You need somebody, another pair of eyes.
And it looks like all I've heard, all I've heard is frustration from the FBI at the stiff arm that this guy's been getting them.
Let's talk about what's really happening right now.
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I do want to switch the discussion, though, in the time we have.
Brian Enton is reporting that you guys may recall that we had heard law enforcement had been asking the locals for video, of course, of the night Nancy went missing, but also of January 11th.
And there was a report of a white van seen in the neighborhood on that date and possibly of a guy, at least one neighbor described a guy who didn't, he didn't look like he fit in the neighborhood walking on that date.
So they were asking for that too.
Well, Brian's now reporting that according to one of Nancy's neighbors, they're also, FBI are especially interested in January 24th, which is eight days before Nancy went missing, the Saturday before.
They're looking for video from both dates.
So that's also interesting.
January 24th.
I mean, all of this tells you what, Chad, about the state of the investigation.
Well, as of about two hours ago, Megan, I can report from a very, very reliable source that is boots on the ground there that the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Office have no leads, no solid suspects.
What?
And this is from someone boots on the ground that I trust.
All right.
They have no solid leads.
I can also report that it has been confirmed this morning, and I'm sure we all assume this, that every family member passed polygraphs with flying colors.
So what does this other date have in mind?
Probably tells me that there was just some images or some type of electronic evidence that's kind of pushing them to try to dive into that date a little bit more.
But that is a conversation.
That information is huge.
So then that means, I mean, I think, I don't, I know some people don't believe in the polygraphs.
I do.
But if that's true, then we can move on from the brother-in-law and the sister.
And it kind of sheds a little more light on the sheriff's statement to NBC that he's had a theory about this case from the beginning and he hasn't, nothing has moved him off his theory and that he does believe he knows the motivation for the crime.
And in the interim between that first day and now, where he says his theory hasn't changed, he did say that the family had been ruled out.
He then kind of begged off of it because, of course, they don't have anybody in custody.
So I'm not sure you can say anybody's been totally ruled out.
But that's very interesting.
Wait, I want to play for you the sheriff's comment to NBC News just days ago on how he's saying, contrary to what you're saying, that he thinks he knows the motive, which would be a lead, but you tell me.
Here he is.
There is something that's come out in the investigation that gives you a sense of motive here and why this person did this.
You know, I think it's come out from day one.
I think from day one, we had some strong beliefs about what happened and those beliefs haven't diminished.
Do you believe it was a burglary gone wrong?
I'm not going to get into those theories.
We have our beliefs.
Everybody else has theirs.
Nano says he's intentionally withholding their theory and other details in the case, citing the integrity of the investigation.
But you're saying, Chad, no leads?
You can have a theory.
Let me correct the way he worded it, no suspects.
All right.
You can have leads without suspects, obviously.
And that's what they're doing.
That's why they keep going back to these residences and these houses and following up with neighbors over and over again.
I agree.
They're probably on to some type of theory, but we still don't have a suspect.
This is like amazing.
But if that's true, are you revising what you were told from no leads to no suspects?
The way he worded it is the FBI has no suspects.
Well, I mean, I guess I'm not shocked to hear that, but like that doesn't bode well in terms of, you know, like if you look back at the Brian Kohlberger case, they did, it took 48 days or something like that to nab him, but they had a suspect for, you know, a good chunk of that last portion there, Jonathan.
It wasn't, it wasn't Bubkiss.
Like they'd been working leads.
They had found the knife sheath.
They had found they knew the car that the suspect had been driving.
They were going through meticulously all the records of the White Hyundai Elantras of certain years.
It sounds like none of that's happening here.
It sounds like if Chad's right, it sounds like there isn't some special sauce of hot leads they've been pursuing that they're not just sharing with the public and we're days away from getting an arrest.
It sounds like it is as cold and unsatisfying as many of us have feared.
Right.
And so no suspects does not mean that there's no theories, of course.
And, you know, this is criminology.
So rarely do we get an evolution in tactics by criminals.
So criminals fall into like everything else.
You know, everybody goes to the grocery store at the same time.
You put something out online and next thing, you know, everybody's wearing that clothing, that article clothing or watching that TV show.
So criminals are very similar.
They develop tactics because these people are not rocket scientists typically.
They develop tactics that criminals will gravitate towards.
And so there's probably just a handful of possibilities that motivated this individual to go in and do this.
And so when you narrow down those possibilities, you can then start looking for specific evidence of what has occurred.
And so there's statistics.
You can throw that in there and say, this is typically what motivated an individual to do this.
This is typically how it was carried out by statistics.
And then you add in those other theories and possibilities, and you'll start to get very definitive avenues of investigation.
And so this is the way this, this is the science behind investigations.
And then you'll get, you know, I believe probably one of the reasons why they're asking for information for those dates is because they either talk to some of the neighbors who said, we think this occurred on this day.
We may have heard this or saw this.
And so they'll go back and they'll look at video footage that people give on those dates to try to discover if there's any other evidence of leads.
Again, on the date that you're talking about at the end of January, it was already starting about, I think you said eight days before.
So that would be moving towards a full moon.
So it's starting to get brighter, which means in Arizona, when it's a full moon at night, which it was on February 1st, it is like a streetlight on outside.
It's pretty bright if the moon is up.
And I think you can see the difference in the videos that they show from the night that Nancy was abducted or removed from her house.
And you can see the picture that was taken.
We believe somewhere in January that it's much darker.
And so they may be looking to see anybody has video footage if information comes in for those dates and then be able to enhance that video from that point forward.
But this just in from our friend online, nerdy addict, who's had some good scoops in this case, parlaying off of the Brian Enton report that the police are asking residents and neighbors of Nancy about January 24th as a date of interest and possible video that they may have.
The nerdy pointing out that there is footage that drew little attention earlier in this case of somebody.
He seems to be like peering through windows and kind of walking around, but he's reporting that this drew little attention as the individual appears to be black.
And we do not believe that the suspect on Nancy's porch was black, though to be honest, it's kind of hard to tell.
But saying that ring posts from neighbors describe this man or somebody who looks like this man we're showing now around 4 a.m. on January 24th, peering through windows and attempting to open doors at their homes.
So this video suggesting nerdy here is suggesting that this is video from January 24th, that it's somebody peering through windows and attempting to open doors at homes and that it comes from ring cameras.
It's labeled ring in the area, but the individual appears to be black and the guy on the porch.
And not hiding their face.
This individual is not hiding anything about themselves.
There's fingerprints everywhere.
So I just don't think that's, I think this is showing you how many people are out there, you know, walking about and looking in people's homes and cars in the middle of the night.
It's pretty profound how many people are out there doing this.
Scary.
That's what that tells me.
Yeah.
And also it, you know, the carefulness of law enforcement, whatever, I mean, now at least, or the FBI, in trying to go track down every lead, Chad, you know, like they don't think this is the guy.
He's black.
We think the purpose is Hispanic or white, but might as well, right?
Like might as if they have no leads, if they have no suspects, might as well seem as might as well go back to that Mexican restaurant where Savannah and Annie and Nancy had the margaritas and ask, did anybody linger?
Didn't anybody have some sort of an angry fit?
You know, I don't know.
Like that, that to me just seems like responsible police work and nothing to get excited about.
But what's your take?
Well, I think it leads to the integrity of the investigation that no stone will go unturned, that we are following up on any type of lead.
Listen, go and find out.
Hopefully, by now they've interviewed this guy that was just on that video.
I mean, is it possible that you dot your eyes and cross your T's and make sure he wasn't the second person that we are discussing?
There's likely a second person involved.
Could it have been him?
I agree with what Jim's saying.
I do not think he is involved.
I also was trying, you could say, I was trying to see if we saw any tattoos lurking out the bottom of that sleeve of his, which I, you know, unfortunately wasn't able to see through that video.
But I think that, you know, at some point, you just got to start over.
You got to start over and we got to start from day one again.
And we've got to start going through every piece of information, every tip that's come in tip by tip.
Because is it possible?
Look, Megan, you and I look at some of these tips and dismiss them.
We slide them over to Jim's desk and he comes back behind us and looks and he picks up on something that we miss.
That happens all the time.
That's called good investigative skills, good police work.
That's what they need to do.
They need to call Jonathan and you and Fitz and Maureen and say, and our pal James and say, we need fresh eyes.
We need somebody to start anew because if the non-fresh eyes haven't gotten us anywhere, that's a problem.
Investigations are often solved by people who inherit the case, not the actual primary and original investigators, because they come in and they just have a fresh look.
And when they go back, the other problem is when somebody is investigating and if they're not cataloging the evidence and the leads and then clearing those things properly, this is a huge part of investigating that most people overlook.
I think the two biggest things that ruin an investigation is first and foremost, crime scene degradation.
When people go in and trample the scene or release the scene too soon, right?
That messes up a trolley.
What happens here?
Right.
And then the other thing is, are the leads being cataloged properly and then cleared?
Because what will happen and evidence as it comes in, the same, cataloged and stored.
And what we see is that often when these cases develop, they're not being, the leads coming in are being put in a book or they're just handed to somebody and say, go clear this.
And so they either are redundant and clearing the same leads multiple times or they just never get cleared.
And then when they have evidence, I mean, how many times we've seen where they don't know where, you know, the underwear from the victim is located.
They can't find it anymore, right?
So that's because they don't have experience cataloging and storing evidence.
So I think when we look at this, the way that this is handled, we would probably find a lot of that information.
Yesterday, we played a soundbite from the sheriff saying you are not safe.
You should be wary if you're in this neighborhood.
You know, keep your eyes and ears open, which is 180 from what he said in the beginning, saying this was targeted and there's really no reason to worry.
And now he's like, oh, if you think it's just Nancy Guthrie, think again.
You know, you, okay, what?
All right.
What?
And sure enough, all of this, what looks like incompetence from the outside is taking its toll on the neighbors.
Can you imagine being these poor neighbors with like, of course, the media was camped out there nonstop and the law enforcement keeps coming back and they're going door to door, both the Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI now too, knocking on every single door again and again and again.
And the ring cam or the NES Cam and this date and now also this other date.
Oh, and now there's a third date.
And please go back and check again.
I mean, I'm sure these neighbors, and plus they have to worry about living there.
Here is, Brian spoke with, Brian Enton spoke with a gal named Al Dean, I think it is.
And listen to this person describe, this is on March 9th, how the neighborhood has changed.
It's interesting, like no one's ring cameras work in this neighborhood, it seems like.
Well, it's such a safe neighborhood.
Like, honestly, like half the time we used to not lock our doors.
We do now.
Now we have cameras and things like that.
But no, yeah, I've never even had a package stolen ever in 23 years.
So it really is one of those, because I heard some people say, oh, yeah, it's like one of those places you wouldn't lock your doors, but you really didn't.
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Yeah, we really didn't.
Yeah, we really didn't.
I mean, I had three teenagers wandering around here.
And yeah, I'd come home and the door, back door would be wide open.
I'm like, who is that?
So yeah, never a problem, ever.
And now that tells me very quickly is that that neighborhood, which there's a lot of those neighborhoods here in Arizona that are very dark at night and because they don't want the ambient light getting out there and ruining their scene.
And so it's very dark and removed.
You're not just right off the freeway into that neighborhood.
You have to travel a little bit to get to that neighborhood.
So the way she's describing that neighborhood is that it's gone for a long time without any robberies or any worries.
So that tells me either somebody who is a burglar key in on that neighborhood or Nancy was targeted because nobody, nothing ever happens in that neighborhood.
And what we do find statistics show is how in these sleepy towns or these sleepy neighborhoods where they say nothing ever happens here and we're shocked by this murder or this mystery, it is typically related to somebody who is related to that person or who met them along the way and targeted them.
Well, I mean, I have to say, given all the video we've seen of peeping toms and sketchy characters clearly trying to break into homes or at least peek into homes, you know, between the Nancy abduction and today, I'm not sure Aldine is correct about how safe that neighborhood is, even separate and apart from Nancy.
Sometimes you have the illusion of safety.
And then an event like this comes out and you get everybody's ring camera and you realize, oh my gosh, what was I thinking?
You know, what was I doing?
Especially living in a place that's as dark as this neighborhood is, you know, like my neighborhood, thankfully, we've got street lamps and a lot of them and everybody's got their lights on in their home, especially now.
The thing about Arizona, though, never assume is that you will have a neighborhood where, you know, million-dollar homes and then and nothing ever happens there at Scottsdale's like this.
You go down the road like five minutes and all of a sudden you're in one of the worst places in Phoenix.
But the crime doesn't exactly bleed over into that area.
It pretty much stays safe the whole time.
So this just shows that in Baltimore, too.
Sure.
That individual went into that neighborhood because they either discovered that place as a target or they were targeting Nancy and her home in particular.
And because we don't hear any evidence, we haven't heard any testimony that or ring camera or any cameras of an individual approaching any other home.
We just have not seen that.
And if the FBI has it, they haven't made it known.
So that tells me that they were keyed in on that home for whatever reason.
Yeah.
I mean, do you have a theory we like, right?
Because it's like the sheriff's saying I had a theory and my theory's only grown and I'm like feeling good about my theory.
To me, that suggests that it's not the family, which dovetails well with Chad's information that they all passed polygraphs and passed them with flying colors.
And it also suggests to me that it might not be a kidnapper because the, I don't know, I feel like we've moved off of that since those ransom demands kind of fell apart.
Like, I can't imagine that theory being your original theory that only grew.
Now, if your original theory is a burglary gone bad and maybe the sheriff knows something we don't know, Chad, about something that was stolen from inside the house or some things, could be more than one thing that was stolen, other than Nancy, that is, that's something that could have been the original theory and that has only grown since then.
Yeah, I still go back.
The biggest confusion through all of this is why take her?
That's what I'm struggling with.
If this was a burglary gone bad, why take her?
I think I mentioned this a few weeks ago, Megan.
It's not like you can take her out.
And Jim, you're out there, but the idea that you're going to just take her miles down the road in the desert with a couple of shovels, like I would assume that the terrain and the dirt is much more firm and hard.
You're not just going to dig a six-foot hole and put her in.
Going back to the idea that this is a possibly like a cartel type thing with the tattoos, it's just so freaking risky.
Like what cartel is going to come up, kidnap her, take her back across the border, knowing that if it is discovered and the agencies that we have working, the FBI, other three-letter agencies that I'm sure are involved, and they find out that the cartel down in Mexico has her, I promise you, Donald Trump will wipe that entire city off the map if they find that out.
So the whole thing, everything, and I think this is the hard part for most viewers, and even myself as a former law enforcement officer here is every single one of these theories is possible.
Every single one is possible.
I am still leaning towards this was a two-man show, that it was an intended that they picked this for a reason.
I do not know why.
I don't believe that it was truly because of who Savannah was, but I do believe it was targeted.
I do believe that it was two people that did this.
And that's where I kind of have to stop until we get a little bit more information or see some more of these images from the back door.
I don't know why the sheriff or the FBI, you know, unless there's something really damning at that back door, I wish we were getting a little bit more information on what they saw, what the forced entry in the back door looked like.
Let me give you an example of how investigators see different things.
And Chad and I have been given the same information, but I see it differently than Chad.
It doesn't mean I see it better.
I see it differently.
I see that this individual was caught on camera we know at least once before, and there's no sign that anybody else was there that time either.
So I don't see proof that somebody else was involved.
It doesn't mean that they weren't, but my lead theory would be that somehow he keyed in on this house, or like, for instance, if he did work on the house previously, and so he may know what is in and around that, he may have met her and got a sense that she's wealthy, or he may have seen a show and found out that she comes from a wealthy daughter.
So have it, you know, so have it.
And I think that this individual cased that home and then eventually on February 1st decided to go in and burglarize the phone or the home.
And something occurred in there where he had to remove her.
Now, we do see in a lot of these types of cases where they remove a person, but they don't kill them immediately, but they don't know what to do with them afterwards.
And so then they kill them, keep them in their car, and then dispose of them later, you know, days later in a totally different area.
And the same thing, if he killed her inside or injured her bad enough, he wouldn't want to leave evidence, most likely.
I mean, the guy went out of his way not to leave any evidence of who he was.
So I see that there's a good possibility that whether he killed her.
Uh there, or whether it was uh and that was his purpose, or something happened when he removed her.
Um, I just see that uh, the possibility of him working with somebody else, based on what we know, is probably less likely but uh, he definitely was around that house twice before by himself.
So you think Jonathan, maybe maybe in trying to rob her or burglarize her home, they had an altercation.
Possibly she scratched him, she had Dna or something, but like that, he didn't intend to take her.
He took her because something happened inside the house that led him to believe she had to go.
Yeah, I saw something that was very interesting the other day.
I don't remember who reported it, but they said that when they were there almost immediately after this or when, when media started to show up and they saw that there were two drag marks that were going through the gravel that were not tires, and I thought that was very interesting because if she was incapacitated um, and either dead, so she wasn't bleeding profusely, because even if you shoot someone after, if they're dead uh, the bleeding is going to stop pretty quick um,
so there may be splatter and there may be a mess inside, but as you pull them out of there.
There's not that, it's not like you're going to uh, unless there is um massive wounds, that where there's blood exposed, just a gunshot may not um, it may be internal uh, the bleeding so, but after the heart stops pumping the, the massive bleeding stops.
So uh, she could have been drugged out of that house into a waiting vehicle and then and then sped off.
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So there's, there's a possibility of that.
Both of these are good, I think, theories that could be looked at.
But again, the way this sheriff does things makes about as much sense as the way the word sheriff is spelled.
You know, you put two f's at the end instead of two r's in the middle.
It never made any sense to me.
So that's the way.
That's the way this sheriff thinks.
It's true, like dessert in the Caribbean.
All these things raise questions.
You want to weigh in Chad?
No, I just had a question.
And obviously Jonathan, coming from the federal side, and and Jonathan, some of the stuff we, we you know for operational security, we might not even be able to discuss.
But something that I was thinking is, do we not have the do does any of these agencies not have the capabilities?
We have satellites all over.
Is there not the capability?
I know we're kind of treading on some Patriot Act stuff here probably, but is there not the ability To pull satellite images real time from that area?
I don't know if the technology is out there or not.
Well, I'm sure, you know, there's definitely satellites that could pull real time video of those areas, but there's not enough satellites where they're just constantly scanning areas.
And you're talking about satellites that are predominantly owned by intelligence services and Department of Defense.
The Sheriff's Department doesn't have one.
The FBI wouldn't have a satellite up there.
They communicate and work things out like interagencies typically would.
But so I don't think that you would be able to get anything there.
But I would say that, and this may have already, the time lapse for this may have already expired, but they could have put up drones or helicopters that have the ability to look at a different type of imaging, heat seeking, and then also looking for buzzards, as crazy as that sounds.
I mean, we got no notification of anybody out there searching in this way, shape, or form.
And that's why you, when people say we want to put together a posse and go out there and search, you say, all right, but let's do it in a coordinated fashion.
And then because they could go out there and say, and this has happened numerous times where searchers see a bunch of birds circling and they say, let's go look over there.
And sure enough, they find something.
Yeah.
And Maureen has been talking about how she's worked scenes where they will be told to examine the animal scat because animals can't digest things like bones and hair and they'll find clues sometimes.
It seems like none of that really thorough work has been done.
Though, again, we are speculating because we don't actually know.
I mean, the odds of this sheriff having been that thorough seem slim.
Keep going.
There's a limited amount of time also, Megan.
It's not like animals eat anything any day that they see on the ground.
There's very specific times in which the bugs will go there, certain animals will partake in that body, and then the scavengers after that.
And after that, there's really, it's on the micro level where stuff is tearing away the body.
So there's very specific times from the point of death that any of these animals or bugs will get involved in this.
So, you know, if you know what you're looking for, if it's been five days, it may not be buzzards.
It may be, you know, rodents.
And so you tend to look for certain things on certain days.
I'm not saying that's the dates, but you see where I'm going.
No, no, but all he kept doing was turning down help, just turning down help.
Search after offer after search offer.
We never saw the civilian, you know, masses go out there hand in hand and do the grid search that we've seen in so many other cases where the missing person.
Yeah.
The cave neighbors waiting.
They want to do that.
I'm sure EquiSearch offered to.
They always come in and they always come in an offer.
And there was a report that they did here too.
I'm sure the local citizenry offered to help.
I'm sure every single one of Nancy's neighbors from Mexico.
The ladies from Mexico, which the real deal, like that's nothing to trifle with, said no to it all.
I'm starting to think the sheriff did it.
I mean, it's like, why would you say that?
Is he in a relationship with her?
Right?
Like, let's dig deep on that one.
We're being facetious, but I mean, it's just, it's a mystery, remains a mystery.
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Well, to be continued.
Thanks, Larry.
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Great job.
Tomorrow on part three of our series, Investigators are working to process mixed DNA found at the scene with no other solid leads.
Is DNA going to be what ultimately cracks this case?
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