Megyn Kelly addresses Tucker Carlson's CIA spying allegations, dismissing the Foreign Agent Registration Act threat as standard journalism while criticizing Mark Levin's vulgar 111-tweet campaign and his reliance on Trump for protection. She analyzes recent Middle East tensions involving Iran and Israel, then critiques Jimmy Kimmel and Conan O'Brien's Oscars commentary while praising Nicole Kidman and Jesse Buckley for their faith-centered speeches. Ultimately, the episode highlights the volatility of current political discourse and the shifting dynamics within conservative media circles. [Automatically generated summary]
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There's been some incredible developments since we last said goodbye on Friday.
President Trump saying Iran has essentially been defeated, but he's not ready to negotiate a deal to end the war yet because the terms aren't good enough.
No explanation on exactly what those terms would be or whether the Iranians have weighed in on them at all.
And the situation in the Strait of Hormuz is not good, not at all.
The bombs in Iran keep falling from both sides, Iran and Israel.
The U.S. attacked Iran's Karg Island on Friday.
90% of Iran's oil moves through the facilities there.
President Trump claiming to have, quote, obliterated the military targets on the island.
But writing on True Social, quote, for reasons of decency, I have chosen not to wipe out the oil infrastructure on the island.
Iran has said all along that would be a red line that could not be undone.
They continue fighting back.
Both the U.S. Embassy in Iraq and the Baghdad International Airport hit with missiles over the weekend, believed to be from Iran and its proxies.
That's how it's fighting this war.
Through its missiles and its drones.
And international gas and oil prices continue to be a major concern.
Iran says the Strait of Hormuz, where about 20% of the world's oil supply passes, is quote closed to our enemies.
Now, Trump is currently trying to recruit countries to help protect shipping in the Strait, saying it's really not our problem.
Like, we didn't create this problem.
It's somebody else's problem because we don't really use the oil that passes through there.
Well, I mean, we did create the problem.
It's true we don't really use the strait for a bunch of our oil, but we did create the problem.
And I think many of these other countries, based on their response we're getting so far, don't understand why we're not doing the pottery barn rule here of we broke it, we bought it.
Why is it now China's problem when they have nothing to do with this war, at least as of now?
The price of oil trading around $100 a barrel over concerns about this conflict.
And the most stunning thing that happened over the weekend was our friend Tucker Carlson came out and said he's being threatened with a criminal prosecution over his opposition to the U.S.'s military operation in Iran.
It's incredible.
Okay, all that.
Plus, the whole world has not stopped just because of the Iran conflict last night.
The Oscars took place in Hollyweird, and it is indeed just as weird and woke as ever.
I mean, they never disappoint, right?
We'll get into the highs and lows of the event in just a bit.
But let's just start with, I'm going to start with what's happening with Tucker.
This is absolutely bizarre.
I mean, you probably know by this point, two plus weeks into this war, that it has divided the country.
Yes, very much so.
The vast majority of the American public is against the war.
The vast majority of Republicans are supporting the president in the war.
Their support for the actual war itself depends on how you phrase the question.
If you say it's about getting rid of Iran's nukes, Republican support goes way up.
If you talk about regime change, it goes down.
And Trump's got maybe 82% of the party that's backing him in this war, which is not great.
I mean, you have almost 20% of Republicans saying that they're against him.
That's not great in an election year.
You would expect most Republicans to back the president, and no Republican likes Iran.
I mean, like literally nobody, not the people of Iran.
They're not the problem.
It's the regime.
But he does not have overwhelming support in the way that all the other wars we've been involved with did, including the Iraq war, had way more support than this, in part because it was debated and it was discussed at length before we actually launched it, unlike this war.
Well, one of the war's main critics and the person who probably stopped hard tried harder than anyone to stop it was Tucker.
He went to see the president.
He loves the president.
He's a supporter of the president.
He endorsed the president.
He campaigned for the president.
As you know, so did yours truly.
And I also am not a supporter of this war.
And now it appears because he's been vocal about opposing it, he may find himself on the wrong end of a criminal prosecution, or at least the threat thereof.
He took to his own mic over the weekend and posted the following.
Look here in SOT1.
So the other day I found out that the CIA is preparing some kind of criminal referral against me, a crime report to the Department of Justice on the basis of a supposed crime I committed.
What's that crime?
Well, talking to people in Iran before the war, they read my texts.
So the crime under consideration apparently would be the Foreign Agent Act or something like that, acting as an agent of a foreign power.
And I don't expect this to go anywhere.
Since one, I'm not an agent of a foreign power.
Unlike a lot of people commenting on U.S. politics and global affairs, I have only one loyalty and that's the United States and have never acted against it.
I've also never taken money from anybody.
Don't need it, don't want it.
And that's provable.
And moreover, it's my job to talk to everybody all the time and try and figure out what's happening around the world.
That's literally what I do for a living.
And I'm not going to stop doing that.
Nor should I.
I have no secrets to divulge.
So legally, I think the case is ludicrous and I doubt it will even become a case.
I'm bringing this up for a couple of reasons, though.
One is that countries tend to become more authoritarian in wartime.
It's just the nature of war.
Another point to make that is worth knowing is that the USIC, the intelligence agency, spy on Americans.
There's no justification for your government, which you own, you're a shareholder in it, you pay for it, to be violating your privacy like this.
But it happens all the time.
But the main reason they do it is to leak the existence of the investigation, such as it is, to the media and then humiliate and terrify the subjects of this op.
So I'm not making this video to complain about it or whine or ask you to send me money because I'm under attack.
I'm saying it because it's true and you should know what your own government is doing and you should know what the stakes are.
And you should know that a lot of what happens in this country that affects outcomes happens behind the scenes.
And it's likely that things like that will begin to happen at greater scale now.
So you should just know that going forward.
This is stunning and deeply wrong.
And I believe Tucker.
Some don't.
I do.
I believe him completely because he wouldn't have zero interest in running out, making himself the center of any story, which he doesn't like to do ever, even when he often is.
And knowing him, I detected real concern in his voice there because he's worried about what's happening to our government.
Like, why are we behaving like this?
Why would we be going after private citizens, a journalist in Tucker's case, for investigating the war?
I mean, if Tucker, he says he spoke with sources in Iran prior to the conflict getting launched, that's something you would do if you had sources in Iran.
You wanted to find out what was happening on the ground there.
I mean, Yashar Ali, who's a great journalist online, is constantly updating us on what the reaction is inside Iran, what people are saying.
Sorab Amari, who we've had on the program recently, has connections there.
Tucker apparently does too.
Why, as a journalist, would you not call your sources to say, what are you guys hearing?
What's the reaction?
What do the people want?
How do you think we're seeing all these opinion pieces and news updates in the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal?
They call sources in Iran, in Israel, in Lebanon, and all these places, and then they report on what they're saying.
So I'm like, in order to violate the Foreign Agent Registration Act, you have to be acting on behalf of a foreign principle.
You have to actually be like doing their bidding in an actual relationship, not just like, you know, the way, whatever, I don't know, the way somebody over here, a pundit who's super pro-Israel, would just be out there saying, I love Israel and I'm in favor of this war.
That's fine.
You're allowed to do that.
Same way people can say, I can't stand what Israel's doing and I'm against this war.
You have to prove that Tucker, on behalf of a foreign government, on behalf of Iran, like went in and met with President Trump without telling him.
And there are other elements beyond that, which they're not going to, and by the way, and the notion that he was paid for this too is so absurd.
People completely underestimate Tucker Carlson's wealth.
I'm not going to get into it more than that, but let me just suffice it to say that he comes from many generations of very successful people.
That's fine.
That's good for Tucker.
I mean, most of us would have loved to have been born into that kind of a situation.
And then on top of it, he's made his own fortune.
He does not need money from Iran to betray his country.
The reason he is talking about this war so much is because he loves his country and he doesn't favor war and he never has.
I mean, he's, if you watched him when he was in prime time at Fox News, all he ever did was talk about how he didn't want war.
He was against armed conflict, pretty much of any kind.
And honestly, that's been his beef with Israel for quite some time now.
His critics try to turn it into Tucker hates Jews.
And it's just not true.
And can I just say, like, for the record, as you know, I have been extremely, extremely supportive of American Jewish people, especially over the past couple of years since 10.7 and will continue to be.
I love them.
And I have many, many dear friends who are American Jews who are going through a lot right now with these retaliatory terror attacks that we're dealing with.
And I have nothing but empathy for them.
But all along, we've been told it's okay to criticize Israel.
You know, like, let's not conflate that with anti-Semitism.
And I thought that was a very fair point.
I wasn't critical of Israel at all.
I don't think I said anything critical about Israel for two years past 10.7 gave them a very, very wide berth because they'd been so brutally attacked on 10.7.
And, you know, I kept asking myself, what would the United States be doing if this happened to us, which it kind of did.
But now that even I've started speaking out a bit more on Israel, I certainly called for them to stop on the bombing campaign of Palestine because as I said, time's up.
Like we've had enough.
Time to wrap it up.
It started there.
Like suddenly I'm an anti-Semite.
No one can name anything anti-Semitic I've said.
I attributed us getting into this war to people like Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Miriam Madelson, who definitely paid Trump hundreds of millions of dollars.
And this is her number one thing.
But it's also, and I reported this to you last weekend.
My old pal Mark Thiessen of Fox News and General Jack Keene of Fox News and Lindsey Graham.
I think all three of those are not Jewish people, pushed hard for us to get into this war, been very critical of Lindsey Graham, who's like frothing at the mouth for more death.
But Mark and General Keene, I respect and like them both.
I disagree with them and they disagree with me, but that's fine.
We can still have disagreements without demonizing the other people.
At least I think we can.
I can.
I think I have a lifetime of proving I can.
I think the listeners to the show know I can and I do often.
And I'm quick to forgive small slights and move on.
And this is going to dredge up a lot of disagreement.
It's war.
We're losing American service personnel.
We have 13 dead service personnel now as a result of this war, which I definitely believe we got into because of Israel.
I mean, obviously, and Trump, of course.
You know, Ben Shapiro is out there saying, I'm a coward because I won't call out Trump on this.
I've been calling out Trump.
That's why Trump attacked me and Tucker just as soon as I said I was against the war.
I don't know if you saw, I don't bring my personal drama onto the show that often, but he came out and said, I'm not MAGA and that Tucker's not MAGA.
And he's right.
I'm not MAGA.
I've never been MAGA.
As you know, I've described myself as MAGA adjacent, that I speak fluent MAGA.
I understand what's important to MAGA, but I'm an independent and I'm a journalist first.
And I don't really get sucked into partisan labels.
I don't want anyone's jersey on my front.
I really don't.
So whatever.
By Trump's standards, it was kind of mild pushback.
He's basically saying, I don't appreciate that you're not supporting me in this, but I'm not going to come for you personally.
Okay, that's, it's fine.
So in any event, but it is obviously Trump's call ultimately.
That doesn't mean Israel didn't spend the past year trying to goad him into it successfully.
Netanyahu at the White House seven times and so on.
And you heard what Marco Rubio said is the reason we did it now.
It was because of Israel.
Okay, so back to Tucker.
He's, you know, you can take my own opposition to this war and times it by 100.
And that's where Tucker is because he's just devoted his life to fighting exactly this kind of thing.
And he's very, very foreign policy focused.
This show does it.
It's kind of, I would treat it like sports.
If it crosses over into mainstream news, we cover foreign policy, but it's not like a favorite of the show, as you of all people know, the people who listen to the show.
So, but Tucker's been really out there the pointy end of the spear.
And I've listened to his shows and he's, he's not afraid to say, you know, it's Trump's decision.
He's not trying to run cover for Trump, but he's also not talking about Trump the way Trump's main critics on the left who hate this war are.
And I believe him that it's because he says he loves the president and, you know, he's disappointed in him.
He feels betrayed, he said the other day.
And that's just honest.
But I think he's totally still rooting for the president to ideally end this thing and get back on track with all the agenda items that made us all run out there and campaign for him.
Tucker Carlson and Alleged Treason00:09:17
And this was not one of them.
Let's all be really honest about that.
No one thought Trump was promising a war in the Middle East.
He said exactly the opposite.
So now Tucker comes out and says, and trust me when I tell you, he's got very good sources inside the government, that he's been told the CIA has referred a criminal investigation to the DOJ about him, about allegedly Tucker speaking to people inside of Iran in the days prior to Trump launching the attack, which led the left to go into some bizarre tizzy of a frenzied meltdown over the weekend, saying, oh, Trump,
when he had Tucker to the White House, was working an op.
He knew Tucker was a double agent and he was giving him false information so that Tucker would go back to his, I guess, Iranian handlers, give them bad info about us not getting ready to attack them so that they put their guard down and Trump could drop the bombs.
Like Trump could send in the military.
This is so crazy.
Now, Axios comes out, Mark Caputo, and says, okay, none of that is true.
And he also says it's not true that the CIA is investigating Tucker or has referred Tucker for criminal investigation at the DOJ.
Mark Caputo making clear there was no op.
It was a friendly meeting between Trump and Tucker.
They disagreed.
Trump heard him out, parted friends.
And by the way, as you know, he had Tucker back to the White House a couple more times where they talked about it at length and more.
The same as Charlie tried to talk Trump out of bombing Iran back in June.
You know, I mean, like, the president will listen to his critics and then he'll make his decision and then the critics will say what they're going to say, like me, like Tucker, like Charlie did.
We're not president.
He's got the big job.
He'll make the calls that matter.
And then, you know, the chattering class of which I am a part are entitled to our opinions and feelings on it.
We speak for millions of people who have these same feelings, and many people who disagree with us enjoy being subjected to a differing POV.
So that's all landing as it should.
But threatening a journalist like Tucker with prosecution under the Foreign Agent Registration Act because he apparently called sources inside of Iran prior to the war starting, that's outrageous.
That's going to be a very, very long shot.
And I just, I have a really difficult time believing that Pam Bondi will do such a thing, whether it's been referred.
I believe CIA referred him.
I actually do.
And I believe they investigated him.
The Intel community, you wouldn't, I mean, going back to when Roger Ailes was running Fox, and I spent a lot of time in his office, as you know, from movies and books, but the vast majority of it was spent talking politics and news.
Then there were a couple of times where he chased me around the desk.
Okay, day in the life at Fox News.
Anyway, he told me stories about the CIA that would make your eyes roll back into your head.
I mean, horrifying about, you know, executions and nonstop harassment, spying, and investigating of American citizens.
And Tucker was making the same allegation this weekend.
Look, I don't have these same sources.
I don't know any of this stuff firsthand.
But you asked me, is it difficult for me to believe that the CIA actually is investigating Tucker and trying to make life difficult for him?
I say I have every reason to believe that, but I don't believe Pam Bondi would charge Tucker.
I just don't.
I don't believe that.
No.
And I don't think Trump would charge Tucker.
I think Trump is mad at any of us who don't support anything he does.
That's how he's built.
We all know that.
That doesn't mean he would have Tucker Carlson charged.
That's ridiculous.
That just can't, it's not going to happen.
That's my view.
If it does happen, it's going to be an earth-shattering moment and it's going to be a fundamental dividing line that will change this country forever.
It'll change this country forever.
Many of us will rise up extremely loudly and unmercifully if that happens.
Like because of one's opposition to war, you get thrown in jail.
That's just not going to happen here.
All right.
And don't tell me this is like Don Lamont because it's not.
Tucker did not join a mob harassing churchgoers, which violates the explicit letter of the law and it violates the Constitution.
This is not that.
This is, according to Tucker anyway, he made a couple of phone calls to Iran in advance of the war to figure out what was happening as a journalist, as countless journalists have.
And what's really galling is to see the same crowd that's frothing at the mouth to see Tucker behind bars is the same crowd that's cheering on Lindsey Graham in his admission that he continuously traveled over to Israel and met with Bibi Netanyahu, received foreign intelligence from Bibi that he used on Trump, he, Lindsay, and also gave Netanyahu information on how to manipulate the U.S. president.
But is he going to get charged under FARA?
Is that okay?
Like, I mean, he actually was working with a foreign government on how to manipulate the sitting U.S. president.
Okay.
Who is he doing that on behalf of?
Israel.
He was doing that on behalf of Israel.
He was talking with the prime minister of Israel, giving him information about our president in order to use against the president, in order to manipulate the president into what Israel and Lindsey Graham thought was the proper outcome.
So, these same folks who are outraged that Tucker might have called a source or two in Iran.
By the way, we don't know what the source was.
We don't know what was said.
But Tucker is suggesting and saying explicitly that it was as part of his reporting duties to figure out what's happening there in a country we were about to go to war with.
They have nothing to say about the Lindsey Grahams of the world, etc.
And the nerf, we've got now the former deputy mayor of Jerusalem, Flor Hassan Nahoun, tweeting out Tucker Carlson should be arrested and tried for treason.
You know what the penalty is for treason?
It's death.
This is crazy.
So this woman thinks that he should be arrested and tried for treason.
That's what she wants to see happen.
Now here's this Republican from Ohio named Max Miller who called for Tucker to be prosecuted.
Everyone has always known Tucker's in love with himself and happy to sell falsehoods for attention.
Tucker's actually one of the most self-deprecating, hard on himself people I know.
The left excels at this.
When Tucker fully joined them, it was just sad.
Now, treason.
Again, using the word treason.
If Tucker really worked with Iran against America's interests, he's a traitor and should be prosecuted.
This is like getting scary.
And then there is the vile Laura Loomer, who posts on X: I've created a list of conservative influencers who I believe are taking money from Iran, Russia, and Qatar.
As I told the DOJ, so this is her saying she's contacted the DOJ, Tucker Carlson isn't the only person who is likely violating FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
All these traitors deserve jail time.
Traitor, again.
Okay.
They can't silence us all.
Like, this is so absurd.
I can guarantee you, I've certainly never taken a single dime from any of these folks.
In fact, there was a pro-Israeli group that wanted to sponsor my tour.
And they're fine.
There's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with them.
I appreciated the interest.
But what they wanted in exchange was for me to put one of their top representatives on stage and to sort of give her the floor and let her do her pitches for whatever it was that was pro-Israeli.
And I said, I'm not doing that.
I'm not selling my stage for an agenda.
It's one thing that, you know, why ReFi, they were great.
They can pitch you on refinancing with them and you can decide to or not.
But this is an entirely different thing.
I don't take a dime from anybody for it.
So good luck with that, Laura.
Good luck.
You know, we're not all foreign agents.
Some of us just have legitimate disagreements with policy.
So this is just the campaign of intimidation is outrageous.
It's really outrageous.
Dave Smith, who's been very critical of Trump and of this war, posted the following on X. Obviously, this administration has already destroyed the coalition that won Trump the popular vote and every swing state in 2024.
But imagine, and I don't think this will happen, he wrote, that they put up zero deep state arrests, that they covered up the Epstein scandal and launched a war for Israel against Iran, and then prosecuted Tucker Carlson for trying to get Trump to keep his campaign promises.
If you wanted to destroy this country, this would be the best course of action.
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He's not wrong.
He's not wrong.
But I mean, truly, imagine that no one goes down for the entire Epstein controversy or the deep state stuff that we spent most of the summer talking about.
You know, the charges against Tish James have not been refiled.
James Comey, he gets away with it.
John Brennan, he gets away with it.
Barack Obama gets away with it.
All the stuff we covered in July when those memos started to come out that had been classified, right?
Everyone gets away with it, but Tucker Carlson gets prosecuted for a phone call with Iran.
True, if you wanted to destroy the country, you wouldn't behave differently.
I don't think it's going to happen.
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The intimidation campaign, though, that is being unleashed against many of us on the right.
It's not now, they're not going after the lefties who oppose the war because I think they're used to them.
Not by this point, not being in Israel's camp.
You know, the left used to be, but now they're not.
It started because of a typical oppressor-opressy narrative in the Gaza war.
And now all the polls show that the vast majority of Democrats are against Israel.
The country, net net, is against Israel now.
The opinions of Israel have completely shifted to where a majority of the country has an unfavorable view.
This is because of the war in Gaza and now the war in Iran.
I mean, this is Israel's own doing.
But the particular ire has been saved, I think, for those of us on the right or who campaign for or help Trump win, who are not supporting the war.
Obviously, I've watched Dave Smith get it.
He's not of the right, but he was pro-Trump for a while there.
Joe Rogan has, he's against the war and has been critical of Trump.
Theo Vaughan, not supporting the war, was very harsh on Israel just today.
And fair, totally fair, but didn't understand why American soldiers are dying for a war that is obviously for Israel.
So the whole, you know, podcast bro battalion that helped get Trump elected has turned on him over this war.
I don't know that they're turning on Trump entirely.
I can speak for myself, and I'm sure Tucker, when I say that's not where we are.
I'm still very grateful to President Trump for the agenda he's enacted thus far, and I'm really hoping he continues it.
I'd love for us to declare victory on this war and get out of it and pray that we've minimized the blowback to the United States of America and our citizens.
Very concerned about where this leads, unintended consequences of this war.
But at a minimum, I'd love to see the death stop in the Middle East.
And that requires putting an end to this, ASAP, and getting back on agenda before the midterms.
But there's been crazy blowback, and I have been on the receiving end of much of that.
And the most nasty have been the Republicans who are most ardent Israel supporters.
In particular, Mark Levin, who has decided to make me persona non-grata for months now in the Republican Party.
I'm not a Republican.
I don't know how to tell these people.
How many times do I have to say it?
Obviously, they don't listen to the show like you guys, but I mean, I've been a registered independent for over 20 years.
I am not a registered Republican, nor have I ever considered myself MAGA.
I'm MAGA adjacent, which is good.
I like being MAGA adjacent.
I can understand all the points of view, but I don't subscribe to a set of policies pronounced by a president that I have to cover fairly, good, bad, and ugly.
I mean, literally everybody on the show knows that I've been critical of the president from time to time.
We've been in many fights over the years where he doesn't speak with me.
That's Trump.
I don't hold it against him.
He's temperamental.
And I don't love that stuff.
It's not what I put on the list of good things in terms of my own relationship with President Trump.
But net net, I don't think it's a bad thing about him.
You know, he's a fighter.
He can be kind of volatile.
He's very much about loyalty.
I get all of that.
I'm not on board with it.
You know, I'm not in the same business as he is, but I get all of it.
I don't take it personally.
And generally, when people are attacking me online, generally I ignore them.
I put out a tweet the other day and I explained this on X, but I was talking about the attacks on Erica Kirk, saying, my general philosophy when it comes to PR is if you don't wish to draw attention to a negative attack, then don't draw attention to it.
I've said this many times.
I feel this now.
A lot of folks want to know, what about Candace?
Candace knows the way I feel about her shows on Erica and what she says about Erica.
And so does Erica.
But my general philosophy, and it's not just Candace, and many people have had very unfortunate criticisms of Erica.
My general philosophy is if you don't wish to draw attention to a negative attack, then don't draw attention to it.
You know, you're just flooding the field with people saying, what is that?
What is that?
What is that?
This is as much as I said about it for that very reason.
I have no idea, no wish to promote attacks on Erica.
But that's not what most of these people, like Ben Shapiro and others, are attacking me for.
It's because I've become less supportive of Israel.
And it's no accident that that line of attacks reached a fever pitch just as I started to raise questions about Israel.
Not American Jews, whom I love.
I mean, case by case, right?
Like same as Christians and Muslims.
But this has nothing to do with my feelings on American Jews.
I will continue to have their back as they face rising anti-Semitism and fear for their children and fear as like a loathing for Israel goes up, that a loathing for them might go up, which we have to fight against.
But that doesn't mean I won't defend myself when under attack by somebody who might be a prominent American Jewish person.
And that's Mark Levin.
So since October of this year, he has been coming for me relentlessly.
I mean, relentlessly, in the most vile and disgusting personal terms possible.
I mean, this is like a 70-year-old man.
He's in his like mid to late 60s or 70.
Senior citizen with his show on Fox News on the weekend.
He never made it in the prime time.
Spend five minutes watching his show.
You'll see why.
He was not primetime material.
We used to laugh at him behind the scenes of Fox because he's constantly red in the face and spitting mad and angry.
That's his shtick.
Okay, there's like some very small audience for that.
I mean, very, very small.
But that's not my problem.
It's Fox's and Levin's.
Well, once again, he was at it over the weekend.
And they don't always get, you know, under my radar, but this one did.
And I finally had it.
And I went back and looked.
Mark Levin has tweeted about me at least 111 times just over the past few months.
111.
In total, I've said something about him like a handful, five or six times.
I've risen up here or there to say, would you stop?
In the beginning, I said, please stop.
You're going to get someone killed.
I was talking about Tucker because he was so nasty.
He's calling him an anti-Semite, neo-Nazi, me too.
Grifter, neo-Nazi, like I'm a neo-Nazi.
Okay, Mark, sure.
And it was very close in time to when Charlie was assassinated.
And I begged him, just please stop, stop.
But his only issue is Israel.
So if you're not pro war on Israel's behalf, or if you asked any questions about Israel and Charlie's feelings about it, you were a neo-Nazi that needed to be destroyed.
So most of the time, I have ignored those 111 personal attacks on me.
But let me just tell you, he's called me the queen of the clan, Grandma Groyper, which is a comment on my age.
Not there yet, but I'm looking forward to one day becoming a grandma.
Groyper is the Nick Fuentes group, which believes that the Holocaust didn't happen and made jokes about Jews in ovens being like cookies, as if that's something I would support.
It's same, this is the same group of people who throw around that criticism that took a mild comment I made about Nick Fuentes and why people are attracted to him, why he's gaining purchase with some by saying he's an effective communicator, and eliminated all the parts where I said, obviously, we are not talking about his comments on race or Jews or women or none of that could ever be excused, which I made clear.
But my critics took that other piece of the clip and circulated it like I was part of his Groyper unit.
I mean, it's just so dark what's happening.
And I don't bring all of this on the show because it's like, I just want to do the news for you.
I don't think you want to get caught up in my own or anybody else's Twitter drama.
So I try to be very mindful of that and respectful of you and your time.
I bring it up now only because it's getting to a fever pitch here with the threatened prosecution now of Tucker Carlson and the president now weighing in on the Mark Levin feud with yours truly, which I'm about to get to.
Truly, I mean, like one tweet here or there at most, just to like occasionally, like a pitcher at the mound, give him a brushback.
Like, would you just settle down?
Like, go figure out where the fight really is.
And the reason he's coming for me is because I do have an audience and he's very, very angry about that fact.
Very fucking angry about that fact.
So the attacks escalate.
And I don't, you know, I don't bring them all in front of you guys.
I don't bring the security threats that rise in front of you guys.
It's like, trust me, it's gotten very, very ugly for me in that way.
And we're dealing with that.
But finally, I had enough.
And I tweeted at Mark Levin this weekend, something to the effect of, I'm very sorry about his micropenis, which I really enjoyed.
I mean, I thankfully have never had to look at it firsthand, but you can just tell.
No one's that angry and misogynistic.
There's been lots of misogyny in his tweets about me like all the time who doesn't have that problem.
And really, we should be feeling sorry for Mark Levin.
We should be comforting him because that's got to be really tough.
Got to go out on the air and like try to act like you're a big swinging.
And as you know, the only people who act like they have the big swingin' are the ones that don't.
So he's really revealed it to me against my wishes and consent, to be honest.
But there it was for me to see, obviously.
And so I called him out on it.
And guess what?
He didn't like his new nickname.
Rather than dealing with it like a man by making a joke about it, whatever, ignoring it, brushing me back from the plate, he actually ran to the president of the United States.
He ran to Donald Trump and had Trump send out a nice tweet about him last night overnight.
And it was a ridiculous tweet for which now the president is getting blowback because he does not have his finger on the pulse of where his party is right now, which is very unusual for Trump.
This is very strange.
The tweet.
It's very strange that Mark Levin couldn't fight his own battle.
But you know, like true pathetic weakling bullies, he's all bark and no bite.
As soon as you punch them back, and look, I'm all for taking the high road and I did try.
But after 111 tweets, increasing the security profile in my own life and attacking me in the most vile terms, I think anybody could see that I was entitled to one below the belt punch, right?
When they go low, we go micro penis.
That's the way it's going to be.
At least insofar as that bully is concerned.
And sure enough, he didn't know what to do.
He went crying to the president, who's running a war right now, not to mention the country.
It's crazy that this happened.
And Trump sent out a truth late last night.
I'll read to you in part, calling Mark Levin a truly great American patriot.
He's somewhat under siege by other people with far less intellect, capability, and love for our country.
Mark is tough, strong, and brilliant.
I mean, if he's so tough, Mr. President, query why you're fighting his battle.
That's why they call him the great one.
Sean Hannity realized it.
He was special.
Mark's a true conservative and has intellect.
He's far smarter than those who criticize him.
Above all, he's a man of great wisdom and common sense who truly loves our country.
When you hear others unfairly attack Mark, remember they are jealous and angry human beings whose sway is much less than the public understands and will, now that they know where I stand, rapidly diminish.
This is Trump.
He firmly believes that if he criticizes you, meaning me, Tucker, or anybody, that we will have no more audience left.
I mean, I have 10 years to show that's not true.
Now, yet, are there some who will say, okay, the president's mad at you, I'm out?
I guess so, but I feel like those people left me long ago because nobody ever thought I was a Trump sycophant.
Fan, yes.
Sycophant, no.
And, you know, we've sparred many, many times.
Again, he's not naming me, but I think it's fair to say this is about me.
It's about Tucker and it's about some of Mark's critics on the right.
Let's see.
Those that speak ill of Mark will quickly fall by the wayside.
So if you speak ill of Mark Levin, you will quickly fall by the wayside, as do people whose ideas, policies, and footings are not sound.
They're not MAGA.
I am.
And MAGA includes not allowing Iran, blah, blah, blah, to have a nuclear weapon.
So what he's saying is if you criticize Mark Levin, he says those who speak ill of Mark will quickly fall by the wayside.
They are not MAGA.
So you cannot be part of the MAGA movement if you speak ill of Mark Levin.
That's where we are.
That doesn't hurt me at all.
I've not been part of the MAGA movement.
Again, I will stay MAGA adjacent, which is where I am happily.
But he is going to further destroy his own coalition if he continues with this.
Oh, and by the way, then Mark Levin retweeted it.
Thank you so much, Mr. President.
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I mean, like, that's what you do when you have a micropenis.
You can't just fight your own battles and then you have to retweet your praise from the president trying to redeem you as not having one.
I'm like, can you imagine anything more emasculating?
I'm so horrified by the whole sequence of events.
So now I'm just going to keep a running tally of the number of times my obsessive stalker on Fox News tweets about me.
And we'll see whether it continues because truly, I'm like, I think I could get a restraining order against him at this point.
He is so obsessed.
I mean, I have had stalkers pay me less attention than Mark Levin pays me.
And I've had enough.
You tell me, do I need to, all these people, you know, who are, oh, allegedly so upset about me insulting him physically.
I mean, if the sheath fits, did they ever stand up for me?
Did they ever have a problem with the vile attacks he launched against me?
No, not one of them.
Not one of the people trying to call me out for my terrible term, my vulgar term, had anything to say about his vulgarity against me for months now, relentless vulgarity.
And by the way, I'm only talking about what he tweeted.
He's devoted many, many shows to me and Tucker, Dave Smith, and others.
Many.
I get mentioned all the time in the most vile terms possible and to millions of people.
And I've said nothing.
And none of the people calling me out for my one tweet, which was, as they say, below the belt, had a thing to say.
So I reject them entirely.
I reject them entirely.
In fact, it's been an interesting thought experiment to see where people might go, right?
You're, oh, you are the picture of decorum.
You don't believe in that kind of rhetoric, do you?
Where is your tweet calling out Mark Levin?
I'll wait.
So I think to me, there's a lesson here, and it's not be vulgar.
I don't enjoy that.
I mean, obviously, occasionally I can be vulgar just like anybody else.
I'm half Irish.
It's that eventually you do have to punch your bully in the face just to be able to look at yourself in the mirror, just for self-respect, never mind whether it works.
I would submit to the jury, it's worked because he went running to a stronger man for protection.
Oh my God, that's the fecklessness of it, the weakling that he has turned out to be.
And then, and obviously, by the way, it looks like Trump's truth was drafted by Levin.
It doesn't have Trump's normal like spelling errors that he does, usually for effect, I think.
Clearly, it was drafted by Levin, and Levin's post, like thanking the president, is equally long.
It's the only thing about him that is.
Okay, so that's enough about that.
That's the drama.
It's everywhere.
So I felt the need to tell you about it.
My Twitter dust-ups, whether they're with the president or anybody else, are not interesting news.
But the thing about Tucker is, and we do need to watch that, this cannot become that country where criticism of a president's wartime decisions land you behind bars or under lengthy investigations by the DOJ.
Something that's not even arguably illegal.
Okay, let's spend a little time on the Oscars, okay?
Because they were ridiculous, starting with Jimmy Kimmel, who had to get up there and couldn't just do the introduction for Best Documentary.
He had to get some snipes in at the First Lady and a Trump.
Watch.
As you know, there are some countries whose leaders don't support free speech.
I'm not at liberty to say which.
Let's just leave it at North Korea and CBS.
Fortunately, fortunately for all of us, there is an international community of filmmakers dedicated to telling the truth, oftentimes at great risk to make films that teach us, that call out injustice, that inspire us to take action.
And there are also documentaries where you walk around the White House trying on shoes.
Okay, so he's got to slam the first lady.
Nice.
By the way, her documentary has done very, very well.
It's pulled in tens of millions of dollars, way more than any documentary of its kind.
And he's incapable of even complimenting the first lady or just staying away from her.
He cannot help himself and got a big laugh from the audience who cannot stand the president or the first lady.
It's disgusting.
Then Conan O'Brien, the host, decided to take a shot at the organization of our dead friend Charlie Kirk.
He thought it would be terrific if he just took a shot at Charlie's organization, which is they're fighting right now to save, which they are doing everything they can.
And from the stage of the Oscars, thought it would be great to bring up the Turning Point halftime show, which was only offered because Bad Bunny had made so many anti-USA statements and was obviously the opposite of a patriot that Turning Point USA felt the need to offer alternate programming for people like me who did not want to support him as he got out there,
spoke only in Spanish, and talked about the America he loved, which involved all the countries in the Western hemisphere.
Here is that moment.
I should warn you, tonight could get political.
Okay.
And if that makes you uncomfortable, there's an alternate Oscars being hosted by Kid Rock.
Yeah.
It's at the David Busters down the street.
A lot of tickets for that.
Okay.
Right.
Turning point doesn't have the same money that the Hollywood crowd has.
So they don't have quite the glitz and the glamour for their alternate halftime show, though they put on an amazing show that actually set records, which you would know, Conan, if you would take one step out of your white privilege, woke Hollywood bubble.
Remember the ridiculous sound bite we showed you of Conan with Michelle Obama?
Just in case you were thinking Conan is a man of reason, he's like the more reasonable one.
He's not.
That's Leno, by the way, not him.
But I do want to get to this.
There was somebody worth praising.
Two people, actually.
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Nicole Kidman, when she gave an interview on the red carpet beforehand, was asked what she did that day and she talked about how she went to church, that it was Sunday and she goes to church on Sunday and that's where she spent her day.
And the interviewer turned into a puddle with a little wicked witch of the west hat on top of it.
They're not used to hearing answers like that from big Hollywood stars.
So good for Nicole Kidman.
Secondly, Jesse Buckley, who won Best Actress for her stint in Hamnet, which I haven't seen, got up there and gave the following acceptance speech, which was amazing.
Sot 9.
You, Fred, I love you, man.
I love you.
You're the most incredible dad.
You're my best friend.
And I want to have 20,000 more babies with you.
I do.
I do.
And Isla, my little girl who is eight months, who has absolutely no idea what's going on and is probably dreaming of milk.
But this is kind of a big deal.
And I love you and I love being your mom.
And I can't wait to discover life beside you.
Chloe and Maggie, you to get to know this incandescent woman and journey to understand the capacity of a mother's love is the greatest collision of my life.
It's Mother's Day in the UK today.
So I would like to dedicate this to the beautiful chaos of a mother's heart.
Wow.
You just don't see that kind of thing at the Oscars.
Getting up there and using her time to praise motherhood, talk about the joy of having a baby, talking about how much she loved her spouse and family.
That was extraordinary.
Good for her.
She's Irish.
And I didn't know about her prior to this, and I haven't seen that movie, but my gosh, I love what she said.
Last but not least, let's squeeze in SAT 10: Michael B. Jordan winning the Oscar for Best Actor for his role in Sinners.
And the Oscar goes to Michael B. Jordan.
God is good.
God is good.
And your mama, what's up?
Y'all know how I feel about my mother and my father's here.
Your pops, where you at?
My dad came in from Ghana.
He floored for Ghana to be here.
My brother, my sister's here.
My family.
Thank you, everybody in this room and everybody at home for supporting me over my career.
I feel it.
I know you guys want me to do well.
And I want to do that because you guys bet on me.
So thank you for keeping betting on me.
Humble, thanking his family, thanking God.
Shout out to his parents.
Perfect.
Spot on.
Not too self-aggrandizing.
All the right notes.
So good for him.
I'm not surprised, right?
Michael B., he's been great all along.
Love this new gal who I didn't know about, Jesse Buckley.
Conan, Jimmy, predictable.
And so is Jane Fonda, but we'll save that for tomorrow.
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