Megyn Kelly and Sid Rosenberg dissect the GOP's crushing election losses, blaming a strategy of hoping Zohran Mamdani fails rather than addressing inflation and healthcare. They condemn Mamdani as a radical socialist terrorist whose policies drive wealthy residents to Florida, while RealClearPolitics notes Democrats won by running campaigns as if Trump were on the ballot. The discussion critiques Michelle Obama's book tour for complaining about her public image despite her wealth, arguing Republicans must pivot from ideological hope to economic solutions to survive 2026. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show.
How are you feeling this morning?
Like shit?
Yeah, I can relate.
Last night was a total and complete disaster.
I realized these were blue states.
I don't care.
The margins are so large and Republicans lost across the board, everywhere in every race.
There's really no good news.
Literally, the only good news is how radical the Democrats are and how Mamdani will now be the poster child for every Republican to use against his opponent.
I mean, they'll all have to explain where they stand on Mamdani as he wrecks New York.
But the Republican Party needs to get its shit together.
ASAP.
I'm really glad we spent the past couple of weeks, as Sean Davis of the Federalists put it, policing some young person's group chat, what a podcast host said, and what the head of a think tank over at Heritage had to say.
I'm really glad that the Republicans devoted so much time to that.
That was a great move.
Terrific move.
Way to stick together, to really shine a light on what matters.
The Republicans like to lose.
They enjoy losing.
They enjoy when they are embattled and in a losing position and complaining.
They love it.
They do it really well.
Less good at winning, especially when Donald Trump is not there to get them over the line.
The Republican Party is not strong.
Donald Trump is strong.
Republicans don't know how to win.
They don't know who to run.
They don't know what to do when he's not, when daddy's not there to fly them across the finish line.
And that's just been so obvious.
Meanwhile, Trump is all over the Middle East while people's groceries bills are still high.
They're still dealing with inflation.
They're suffering.
Like, that's it.
Okay.
We're focus on domestic policy and on making people's lives better.
That's really all I have to say.
Those are my top line thoughts.
There's a lot to get into on why this happened and so on, but that's my top line takeaway.
That in the matter of, you know, an immigrant invasion that has now given us a radical Muslim running the greatest city in the world into the ground.
That's where it's going to.
He's not only going to be running it, he's going to run it into the ground.
And God help New Yorkers.
Thank God we got out.
If I had a nickel for every time my husband and I have said that over the past few months, thank God we got out.
Thank God.
Our old apartment building, which you could not get into when we first bought there many years ago, more than 10 years ago, now has like 50%, almost 50% inventory.
It's like unheard of.
They're fleeing, fleeing, and not for nothing, but that building had a lot of Orthodox Jewish people in it.
I'm sure they're leaving for a number of reasons.
One, it's an expensive building and I'm sure they have money.
Two, they're Orthodox Jews.
Who wants to be an Orthodox Jew under Mamdani in New York?
It's insane.
And the Orthodox tend to be more conservative and tend to vote Republican anyway.
This guy last night, the anger that he spewed, I mean, he dropped the mask immediately.
Mamdani did.
Immediately.
He got up there and was all but rubbing his hands together, looking at his new power and what he's going to do to the city of New York.
God bless them.
I wish them all the luck.
And I'm worried on a personal basis because we go to New York.
Of course, if you live anywhere near New York City, you go.
You go for shows.
You go for occasional dinners.
You know, your kids go.
I shudder to think of what he's going to do to it.
I mean, we didn't even tell him we spent so much time on the socialism and his radical Islamist ties.
We didn't even really spend a lot of time on the fact that he's budgeting, he said, $65 million to trans anyone who wants it from in-state or out-of-state, minor or adult on the taxpayer dime.
He basically wants New York to be a sanctuary for trans children.
Last night in his speech, he thanked every foreign nation known to man.
The Senegalese, whatever, hot dog salesman, the Nepalese cab driver.
That's who he sees as his constituency.
Meanwhile, he's up there talking about how this is for the guys who've got the scars on their knuckles and the calluses on their hands.
They voted against you, you Cretan.
They all voted against you.
The working class can't stand you.
They're not buying your bullshit because the working class never buys bullshit.
They can't afford to.
They actually have to struggle to put food on their tables and worry about their kids in school and going to a school that's safe and one that doesn't have 45 different languages coming from the teachers because of the mandatory immigration laws we have now.
They cannot worry about bullshit.
The working class did not vote for you.
They know you're a liar.
And as I've been saying, a wolf in sheep's clothing.
So spare me your speech about how the people with the calluses on their hands.
You're from some rich Ugandan family.
You're not even a born American.
You only came over here.
You have dual citizenship.
Your mother said there's nothing American about you proudly.
Your dad thinks we need to be sure to make sure that we don't unfairly castigate suicide bombers.
That's who you are.
The working class knows you're a phony.
The Democrat Party's a nightmare.
They're the ones who put New York in this position where we had to choose between a sex pest grandma killer and somebody who appears to love radical Islam and wants to communize New York.
Okay, those are the choices.
Sliwa, you never had any chance.
And at a minimum, you fucked over New York by staying in the race long before you had any chance.
He's pulled, what, 7.5%?
The voting's not done, but it's going to be very, very tight.
It's basically 1 million for Mamdani and 1 million to Cuomo and Sliwa split.
But Sliwa got 7% of the overall vote.
If he'd gotten out, if he'd said, okay, I'll work with Cuomo, I'll endorse him, I want a place in his administration, it could have gone the other way.
But he didn't.
He didn't.
And look, I understand he had no obligation to get out.
He's a Republican on the ticket, but he had no chance and everyone knew that.
Everyone knew that, including Curtis.
He didn't care about effing over his city.
And his name is Mud there, man.
Good luck to him.
He used to be greeted like a hero.
You see him on the subway?
Guardian angels, they're there to protect you like a hero.
No more.
No more.
Except with the Mamdani crew, who I don't think is exactly his constituency.
I guess I do have more to say, and I'll say it over the next couple of hours, but I want to get through this intro and then to our first guest.
In Virginia, it was a fucking nightmare too.
All right, that's three F bombs in the first seven minutes.
My apologies.
Nightmare.
Democrat Abigail Spamberger won.
That was no surprise.
Winsome Earl Sears was losing.
She came on here, spewed a bunch of bullshit about her internal polls.
Bo.
She got crushed by about 15 points.
It wasn't even close.
And amazingly, as predicted by MK Media's own Mark Halperin, Spamberger's victory was so large, she easily got that absolute vile attorney general candidate, Jay Jones, over the hump.
He won.
Those texts came out about him wanting to kill Republicans for being Republicans and their children so that Republicans would have to suffer.
A position on which he doubled and then tripled down in writing and by voice via a telephone call to a Republican, to somebody he knew would not share his views who kept hanging up on him and trying to end the conversation.
He kept doing, he means it.
And the Virginia voter said, we're good.
Yeah, he's fine by us.
Sure.
He defeated Jason Mierez, the Republican, by six points.
I wouldn't stay in Virginia.
I would not stay there.
I've lived in Virginia.
I would not stay there if I had children in Virginia, knowing that the top law enforcement official is fine if my children die because their mother is a Republican.
That's how he actually feels.
It wasn't a passing comment, a flyby night thought.
He tripled down in writing and by telephone call to a Republican to make sure she understood.
And the Virginia voters don't give a shit.
They want to see us dead.
They're represented by those absolute monsters out there celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.
They are with them.
They may not actually don the t-shirt with the freedom and the fake blood.
They may not be like Lucy Martinez in Chicago, actually doing the gun in her neck celebratory in front of the cameras, but they're on the same page.
How else would they vote as their elect as their top law enforcement officer, a guy who wants Republicans and their children dead?
Maybe they said he didn't mean it based on what?
Based on what?
The fact that when he got caught, it became a national controversy.
He came out and said, oh, I'm sorry.
Bull, you pretended to believe the apology because you just, you vote blue and you don't really care what happens the other side of the aisle.
Some portion of Virginians did reject him.
His margin of victory, Jay Jones's over Miera's, was not as big.
It was, you know, she won by 15 at the top of the tickets, Bamberger.
He won by six.
So there were some people of principle, some Democrats of principle in Virginia.
To you, I tip my hat.
Thank you for reminding us there is decency still in America.
And to the rest of you, I don't understand you and I can't relate to you and I have no desire to win you over.
You're not winnable.
I only have a desire to defeat you.
That's it.
And we have to figure out how to do that.
Republicans, get off your fucking couches.
All right, that's four in 10 minutes.
I'm sorry.
But get off, get your fat ass off of the couches and get out there.
Work on candidate quality.
I'm sorry, but Winston Sears was never going to be able to do it.
She hated Trump.
She blew it.
She campaigned against Trump.
She was very anti-Trump.
The Virginia coalition that did get off of its couch in 2024, they didn't put Trump over the edge, but it was tighter.
Loves Trump.
Republicans can't win without Big Daddy.
Well, guess what?
Then you're going to lose forever because he can't run again.
Down in New Jersey, another blowout, another blowout in favor of the Democrats.
Mikey Sherrill defeating Republican Jack Chitterelli by a ton.
13 points.
13.
Polls had showed the race within the margin of error in the final days.
Once again, the polls were wrong, way wrong.
Polymarket is the only thing you can trust.
And then there's New York City, which I got to already.
I'm going to show you, Mamdani's, a little bit of Mamdani's victory speech.
Okay, like this guy, he is so radical.
And we heard Kevin O'Leary say, well, he's going to be forced to moderate.
Does he sound moderate?
Because he does not seem to be headed down the path of moderation based on what we saw last night.
In fact, he went directly like that from the super smiley, like social media guy who used to be a rapper and he's just going to be a mayor for everybody.
Like we can worry about the affordability to like the guy who loves the radical Islamist imam.
That's who he sounded like last night.
Listen.
As has so often occurred, the billionaire class has sought to convince those making $30 an hour that their enemies are those earning $20 an hour.
They can play by the same rules as the rest of us.
New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants, so hear me, President Trump.
When I say this, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us.
After all, the conventional wisdom would tell you that I am far from the perfect candidate.
I am Muslim.
Socialists, guys, for any of you.
One of the strongest voices warning about Mamdani has been WABC radio host in New York, Sid Rosenberg.
Here he is Saturday at the Republican Jewish Coalition Leadership Summit.
Watch.
When this group gets together and talks about Israel, talks about Hamas, as important as it is, now it's home.
And when they took over New York City, which they're about to do in four or five days, the rest of the country gets a heck of a lot easier.
We all can't move to Florida.
I'm sorry, Siggy.
I lived in Boca for 16 years.
I was bored to death.
So, some of us actually like New York City, some of our better states in this country.
It's scary.
So, I think we need to figure out as a group of strong and proud Jewish people, what do we do from here?
How do we make sure that this invasion doesn't continue?
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And how do we make sure that my 16-year-old son Gabriel and 21-year-old daughter Ava can take the sixth train in New York City and wear their star of David and not worry about getting home safely?
And that's the least of our problems.
The Jews have a whole separate problem with this guy.
New Yorkers in general have a massive one.
What does he believe?
Who are his friends and why?
And what is his plan for the greatest city in the world?
Sid is the host of Sid and Friends in the Morning, and he joins me now.
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Sid, thank you so much for being here, Sid Rosenberg.
Your reaction to this devastating development.
Devastating is the right word, Megan.
First of all, I'm really, really happy to be here.
This is a huge honor for me.
Thank you very much.
I got to tell you a quick story.
I'm talking to your producer Allison before I come on.
And I say, you know, a year ago today was the day that President Trump won the election.
One year ago today.
I said the week before that, I spoke at Madison Square Garden at Trump's rally.
And I was in a column in the New York Times two days after that for cursing more than anybody else on stage that day.
I said, how is Megan going to handle that?
He said, don't worry.
She curses once in a while herself.
It's another year you said fuck four times already.
I know.
My mom does not approve.
My mom can handle any square with that one.
She'll tally them up and call me sorry, mom.
But it's what a day we're having, Sid.
No, you're right.
Listen, it's a brutal, brutal day.
You described it perfectly, Virginia, New Jersey, but here in New York, it's really scary.
Here's a guy that I describe in five words.
He's a terrorist.
He's a jihadist.
He's a socialist.
He's a Marxist.
And he's a communist.
And now he's the mayor of New York City.
Also, you nailed it.
Here's a guy that was smiling an awful lot.
He even went back on some of his prior statements, deepnding the police.
All of a sudden, he went from a virile anti-Semite to a guy that loved the Jews.
And last night, as soon as he won, as you pointed out, he had that angry, yelling speech like, I'm coming to get you.
If you are a capitalist, if you are a Jew, if you love New York City, I'm coming to get you.
So the people that did not vote for Mamdani, which is about half the city, by the way, Megan, a lot of folks, they wake up this morning and they are scared to death.
They are scared to death.
The economic implications are going to be brutal.
You know, 48% of the taxes is paid by about 1% of the people that live here.
Those are the billionaires.
People like my boss, John Katz, and Matidis, they're going to leave.
So economically, it's a huge issue.
Jewish people like myself, all of a sudden, it's no longer safe.
There's about 10 different things to look at that say, Mamdani will make Bill de Blasio look like Rudy Giuliani.
The young people put him over the top.
I mean, under 29, guaranteed they voted for Mom Dami.
And up to 40, 44, they voted for Mom Dami.
Anybody over 45 voted for Cuomo and a few for Sliwa.
But these young people, Sid, the ones in that first group, under 29, they don't even remember 9-11.
They don't, it's like they don't teach history anymore and they have no personal memory of it.
And so there's absolutely no hesitancy about electing a guy who's actually close to a terror-backing imam who testified for the blind sheik who tried to bring down the towers in 1993.
That is all true.
And they don't teach about this stuff.
You know, I've got two children.
One's 21.
My daughter Ava, she just graduated college in the UK.
But my son, Gabe, he's 16.
He goes to school in the city.
They never teach Megan about 9-11.
They don't teach about World War II or the Holocaust.
All they talk about is slavery and civil rights.
They go over and over again.
So they have no appreciation.
And look, here are the facts.
You're a 22-year-old girl, right?
You don't really have a job.
You get up at 11 o'clock in the morning.
You go to Starbucks.
You text all day.
You're Snapchatting all day.
Then you hit the bars in Williamsburg, Brooklyn at about 10 o'clock at night.
And you go to bed.
You have an odd job that pays you very little money.
But don't worry because mommy and daddy are paying the rent, which is getting expensive.
But here's the good news.
I'm taking care of you.
So you're a young kid who's lazy living in New York, who only wants to go out and party and have fun.
And Mom Danny says, I'm going to take care of you.
That's one of the reasons why he's so attractive.
Here's the second thing.
Unbelievably, Israel, of course, has the most Jews of any place in the world.
Second, New York City.
It has become chic, Megan.
It has become cool to hate the Jews.
So he had two real platforms here.
A, everything's free.
I got you.
Don't worry, you young 22-year-old girl.
And B, if you're marching in the streets because Israel's committing genocide, I got you too.
It's brilliant.
I totally agree with that.
Brilliant.
The anti-Israel hatred that's been growing, especially on the Democrat Party and New York is all Democrats, 100% played a role here.
There's no question.
And that includes a lot of American Jews.
Like, it's not that Jews couldn't be critical of Israel, but there's a lot of like self-hatred or self-loathing, at least in the vote, in the way they vote.
In New York, how?
How could Jewish people in New York elect this guy?
You know, it's funny you ask that.
So I've been very, very critical of the liberal American Jew.
When I say critical, I'm nasty, okay?
I'm not nice.
So I get a text from my wife about two weeks ago.
She goes, Sidney, will you do me a favor?
You are Jewish.
They're Jewish.
Can you lighten up a little bit?
This is not BLM.
This is not, you know, the Democrats.
I said, Danielle, sweetheart, I will.
I'll try.
So I spent the last two weeks trying to be a little nicer to my brethren, my Jewish people.
And then like you said, they go out and vote for this guy.
I don't know if it's 14%, if it's 25%.
It doesn't matter.
The fact is there are Jews that are supporting Mamdani.
There are Jews that every day are in with the Israelist Committing Genocide crowd and all that nonsense.
So I don't know why they do it.
I think this.
American Jews, New York Jews, don't care about Israel.
You know, President Trump on my show last summer said to me, he said, Sid, you know what?
15 years ago, the lobby that was the strongest in D.C. was Israel, okay?
That was the one.
You never heard a Republican or a Democrat ever complain about Israel.
He goes, now, no one has anything nice to say except for me and a few Republicans.
So it has gone completely sideways.
And the Jew in New York, what do they care about?
They're shoal on the Upper East Side on Saturday morning.
Their vacation home somewhere in New Jersey.
They don't care about Israel.
They don't care about the religion.
They barely care about the hostages that thank God at home now.
So it is a huge issue.
The liberal Jew in America is as dangerous as any group in this country.
You mentioned the young, like disaffected person, like the young girl who, whatever, she can't pay her rent, but her parents have got her, so she's not worried.
Got a great soundbite for you on that front.
Independent journalist Nick Shirley spoke to one woman about affordability in New York.
And look at this clip, 9C here.
And who are you voting for?
I think I'm going to vote for Zoran.
Yeah.
Why do you think so many young people are voting for Zoran?
I feel like he's the only one that's like coming up with like plans that young people have been like plans to help how the situation is in New York right now for young people.
It's so expensive to live here to even afford like to eat.
You have some matcha in your hand right here.
Oh, yeah.
How much money do you spend on matcha here, Dairy?
Almost $10.
Literally.
We should absolutely tax the rich.
They need to pay their dues for what they have done to the working class communities and people, they should be the ones paying for majority of stuff.
I am a student.
I don't have like a full-time job, so I will not be paying taxes.
Wow.
I mean, that is central casting right there to your point, Sid.
That is, first of all, not exactly immensum meeting, those two, right?
I think she said like 19 times, like this, like this, like that.
But that's the issue, right?
This guy says it's okay.
You can be a student.
And Sid Rosenberg, who gets up at 3 o'clock in the morning every day, busts his ass every day, has to get to New York City before 5 a.m. every day, then takes a train and a berry to get back to Queens sometime at night.
Don't worry, because Sid Rosenberg, because A, he's white, which has now become the enemy to America.
If you're white and you're successful, you're the enemy.
B, he makes a good living because he works hard.
He's going to pay for you.
So we're at the point now with people like Mom Danny and in America, where if you're a hardworking guy, specifically white and successful or female, we're going to pay your bill because we have become the enemy.
How about the number of foreign-born New Yorkers who put him over the top?
Only, I think it was 34% of those who lived in New York their whole lives voted for Mamdani.
And the vast majority of people who voted for him and put him over the top were foreign-born New Yorkers who wanted a foreign-born mayor.
Look, you said it at the very top.
You're right.
He thanked like 30 countries.
I don't even know the name of two or three of these countries.
I swear to God.
They didn't even exist.
I mean, and they live here.
Megan, they live here.
So yes, he got the majority of those folks.
Look, every single exit poll, whether it was, you know, folks from different countries, even gender, he did well there.
Latinos, he did well there.
Blacks, he did well there.
But to your point, yes.
If you're from outside this country and you live in New York and you want to live the dream, the dream used to be, Megan, you get up early in the morning like I do, like you do.
You work a full day.
You're exhausted at night.
Maybe you can watch an hour of television.
You fall asleep.
You feel good about yourself.
The new dream is you can do nothing, do nothing all day, watch SpongeBob, maybe smoke a joint or two, have yourself a bowl of cereal and a nice lunch, and people like Megan and Sid are going to pay for you.
So now you can come here from another country and guess what?
Have the greatest life you can possibly have.
So we're so diverse already in New York and it's getting more and more diverse every day.
They don't want Andrew Cuomo.
He's going to make you work for your money.
Or Curtis Sleeva, I guess.
They want somebody who's going to make their life as easy as possible.
And that's this creep, Mom Danny.
It doesn't work.
John Stossel, dear man, good friend, he does these great online videos.
And there are two.
You should go to his X feed, the listening audience, and look at the top two on how socialism has worked out in the past in America and elsewhere.
And in particular, taxing the rich more to cover these new goodie programs or deficit shortfalls, whatever.
It never works.
The rich people always win.
They either leave or they get better at hiding their money, but they will not wind up footing the bill.
And he will not be able to foot the bill for these programs.
They will flee, just like the one smart thing I've heard Governor Kathy Hulkle say.
She's like, I can't raise the taxes on the rich people anymore.
They'll leave New York.
Already here in Connecticut, you can't get a home.
In the surrounding suburbs of New York, already they're filling up with expats leaving New York by droves.
Like I said, my old apartment building is like approaching more than one third empty, approaching one half empty, which is unheard of, Sid.
So you've got these promises of freebies that are going to make everybody's lives better, but they're not going to come true because the money base is going to leave and they never work out.
And one other point, having just been two summers ago to Scandinavia, we went to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which are heavily socialist, right?
Especially Sweden and Norway.
You know what they have?
They have socialism over there.
They have a form of socialism.
And you know what else they have?
The number one most use of antidepressants in the world.
No one is happy.
No one feels driven.
No one feels like they can improve their own lives.
No one feels like there's any innovation that they could come up with or that their country could do, which gives you a sense of national pride.
They don't have Steve Jobs.
They don't have Elon Musk is foreign-born, but now he's intermittent.
They don't have people like that because they don't have a society that can encourage that.
And these young idiot New Yorkers have this utopia version of socialism in their minds that they're about to find out the hard way never comes through.
No, the precedence has been set.
You know, you look at Fidel Castro, Cuba.
That was a unmitigated disaster.
You look at Venezuela right recently, Megan, Venezuela, a complete disaster.
Look, they're going to leave here.
There's no doubt about it.
My boss drawn Casmatidis will probably stay.
Maybe Bill Ackman stays too, but they're going to leave.
You know, I was talking to Rick Scott on my radio show this morning, the former governor in Florida, now a senator.
He's like, Sid, come on back.
I know you lived in Boca.
Come on back.
I was talking to Sean Honnady last night for a good hour, and he said, Sid, come on down.
We want you back here.
So not only are people going to go back to Florida, but it seems like the Floridians and the people in charge, I saw Ron DeSantis last night, they want us.
So they actually, I guess the number is about 9%.
They expect about 9%, which is just less than a million people to go to Florida, right?
That's a big number, Megan.
So they're going to leave.
There's no question about it.
And you're going to be stuck here with a bunch of people who are not American, with a broke, a broke city and no answers.
And Kathy Hokul, she is every bit as bad as any bad mayor has been here.
She is an absolute horrible governor right there with Cuomo, you name it.
Elise Defonic cannot win that race soon enough.
And we got to figure out if Elise wins, if we've got Elise in Albany, Megan, and we've got Donald Trump in Washington, D.C., and in 2029, you've got me as the mayor, we'll fix New York.
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God willing.
I don't think I've been that good a person, but you got my vote, Sid.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I'm so sad that we're having this discussion instead of something that's more hopeful, but it is what it is.
You got to get real.
All the best to you, my friend.
You too.
You're great, Megan.
Thank you so much.
Oh, great to see you, Sid.
Sid Rosenberg, everybody, WABC, check out his show in the morning.
It's the best thing you will listen to.
He's just so full of personality and common sense and is unafraid.
Coming up next, our new Megan Kelly Channel neighbors here on the Megan Kelly channel on SiriusXM, the guys from Real Clear Politics.
Really looking forward to talking to them.
That's next.
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Zoram Mamdami winning in the mayoral race in New York City by overwhelming margins.
It was not close.
He absolutely crushed it.
Young people in particular running to the polls to push him over the top.
The turnout in Manhattan versus the last mayoral election was double.
It was about a million last time around.
It was 2 million this time around.
In particular, young people running to elect this guy and his promises of socialism.
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Great to see you guys.
Today you had a big exclusive guest with speaker Mike Johnson.
So nicely done.
Tell me everything.
How did this happen?
I want to talk about it all.
We got to do Mamdani, Spamberger, Jay Jones, Chitterelli losing to this Mikey Cheryl who appears to have committed fraud in her graduation.
Okay, there's a lot to go over.
That terrible result in that one Georgia race where all three of those local board members were kicked out for the first time ever.
Was it an energy thing?
I don't know what it was, but Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about it.
Steve Bannon was talking about it.
So signs of trouble in Georgia.
There's a lot to go over.
Carl, you start.
The counter revolution has begun, Megan.
It's hard for us to figure out what the real moral of the story is for the Democratic Party.
Abigail Spanberger is the generic Democrat.
She always votes Democratic.
She doesn't go off and talk about dismantling capitalism, but she won't.
She's with the Democrats on transgender athletes, and she won't even call for convicted sex offenders to be 58-year-old convicted sex offenders to be removed from girls, you know, little girls' locker rooms in public pools in Fairfax County and Arlington County.
And she won.
And Mamdani, who fashions himself, he's kind of a, you know, revolutionary.
There's a lot of, I mean, he's never done anything.
It's like a theater kid pretending to be Che Guevara, but he wins big.
So the Democrats are going to have to, you know, the Speaker of the House told us that Mamdani is the face of the Democratic Party.
We're not so sure that's true.
Well, that's what the Republicans are hoping.
That's right.
But the constant was, you know, the Democrats won.
The variable was which kind of Democrat.
And all of them, all of them ran against Donald Trump down to, you know, city council.
Yeah, the answer is all of them.
So, I mean, look, I know and I see Republican spinners online and they're smart trying to say, this is not your grandfather's Republican Party.
This party is as radical as it comes.
You know, Mamdani is going to be hung around like an albatross on every Democratic candidate running in 2026.
I get all that.
That's smart politics.
But realistically, every Democrat won.
The moderate ones, the radical ones, they all won.
And not only won, they crushed.
They outperformed the margins.
They outperformed the polls.
The races that were supposed to be tight weren't.
They ran away with it.
You tell me, Tom Bevin, why?
Well, because, you know, as Carl mentioned, so Donald Trump is a turnout machine, right?
We know that.
And when he's on the ballot, MAGA turns out, Democrats turn out, and you have these really close elections, which we've seen in 2016, 2020, and 24.
Okay.
But when Donald Trump is not on the ballot, right, Democrats still run as if he's on the ballot.
I mean, you look at these exit poll numbers.
I mean, all these Democrats, they were angry.
They were pissed off at Donald Trump.
And they all came out in huge numbers for Democrats.
But on the other side, Republicans didn't.
I mean, Jack Chenerally got 122,000 more votes this year than he got four years ago.
But he was overwhelmed by the fact that Mikey Sherrill got 400,000 more votes than Phil Murphy got.
She got 400,000 less votes than Kamala Harris just got last year in a presidential race.
So you had sort of a double whammy.
Democrats still operating as if Trump is on the ballot and Republicans, you know, not getting all of those disaffected voters that Trump brings into the process.
And look, this happened in the midterms in 2018, 2022.
I mean, this is a constant problem for not just Trump, but other presidents as well to try and, you know, but I think it's more acute with Trump because he is so, he is the movement.
He is the man.
He's large in life.
He's large in life and people love him.
And so as a result, you know, what we thought was going to be a close race in New Jersey turned out to be, you know, just a landslide.
Crushed, crushed.
She did.
Mikey Sheryl crushed Jack Chitterelli, as did Abigail Spamberger, who crushed Winsom Sears.
I mean, it was just up and down the ballot.
Here's Trump, Andrew.
Sat too.
Take a listen.
And last night, it was not expected to be a victory.
It was very Democrat areas, but I don't think it was good for Republicans.
I don't think it was good.
I'm not sure it was good for anybody.
But we had an interesting evening and we learned a lot.
Okay.
And then he went on to say, you know, I wasn't on the ballot.
Like, that's the thing.
Like, number one, the shutdown played a role.
And number two, I wasn't on the ballot.
Now, is it, you know, somewhat narcissistic?
Yes.
Is it true?
Yes.
Yes.
We've talked many times on the program about how Trump made it kind of cool.
And I used to joke to be a Republican again.
No, like ever.
He made it cool to be a Republican.
But it's just him.
No one else is making it cool to be a Republican.
No one felt inspired.
I mean, literally no one by Winsom Sears.
And like obviously Curtis Lewo was a non-factor.
The Republican Party is not strong, Andrew.
It's not.
Yeah, well, good point.
Although, you know, he also wasn't that involved in this election.
I mean, he didn't, he didn't sort of people.
Well, that's because these candidates kept him at arm's length, right?
Like Chittarelli and Winsom Sears.
Chittarelli, I think, was closer to Trump than Winsom Sears.
But she'd been dumping on him.
And some of Trump's most ardent supporters had been pointing that out.
She dumped him in 24 and in 22 loudly.
So no wonder he didn't want to put his arms around her and give her the big embrace.
Keep going.
Yeah, no, I was just going to say.
So, I mean, we really didn't run the experiment that he because he wasn't out there at all.
So we don't know what would have happened if he had been more involved.
Although I would imagine that it would have ended up about the same.
I will say this.
I mean, I think that Gavin Newsom is the big winner of the night because he's getting five more seats out of California.
Now you're going to have districts that are entirely Republican with Democrat representatives because they passed this constitutional amendment in California that allows him to redistrict it where he wasn't allowed to before.
And California and the Dems are going to get five new House seats out of this.
Keep going.
Yeah, but what he really got out of it was he emerged as the guy who really has stood up to the president in terms of national politics at this point.
He had all these other Democrats coming into his state to help him get this done.
And he got it done.
You know, we went back.
If you look at the polls before when they announced Prop 50, it was not a popular initiative and ended up killing it.
And something like 80% of the people in the exit polls, at least according to NBC, said they voted for it, not because it was good for California, but because it stopped Trump.
Well, once again, but California is almost 40% Republican.
So where were they?
Why didn't they turn out to try to stop it?
Well, Carl might be able to speak to that.
Well, I'm out here, Megan, in California.
Those are your people, Carl.
There were no ads.
There was no leader.
There's no real leader of the Republican Party in this state.
They trotted out people like Kevin McCarthy, you know, who never ran statewide and was deposed by his own conference and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I got some pushback from Andy, but you had a whole generation of voters here in California who don't really remember Schwarzenegger.
I was never pushed back on that, Carl.
And Tom did.
I'm sorry, Megan.
It was Tom.
But he was also anti-Trump.
So it's like they're assuming about these California voters that they're anti-Trump.
And I'm here to tell you they're not.
I know a lot of these people.
They're listening to this show right now.
We have a ton of fans out there.
They are not anti-Trump Republicans, but they're treated by people like Schwarzenegger like they are.
You know, like he's still the God of their party and he's not.
Well, the point was that they were vastly outspent.
All the energy here was on.
And, you know, Gavin Newsom said this morning, you know, it was a 100-day sprint or something, whatever, 120-day sprint.
He sprung this on people so fast, you almost didn't have time to absorb what was going on.
There are 5.7 million registered Republicans in California and another couple of million who vote Republican, as you pointed out, Megan.
Now they're going to have four or five congressional representatives.
I mean, the neighboring state of Arizona has 1.5 million registered Republicans, and they have five, four or five Republican congressmen.
What Newsom did and what the California electorate went along with was disenfranchising millions of people, basically not giving them any representation in Washington and claiming they're doing this under the guise of saving democracy.
It was brazen, it was cynical, and it worked.
I mean, it was a direct response to what happened in Texas with the redistricting there, which was all, I mean, like it was based on race and they tried to rectify it, but it looked nakedly political, yada, yada, yada.
It resulted in more Republican seats.
Then Gavin Newsom said, I'll do this.
We're having the same problem right now on the filibuster, where you remember what happened when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader.
He took away the filibuster for lower court judges so that they could get President Obama's judges confirmed.
And Mitch McConnell, who was the minority leader, said, you will rue the day.
And then the Republicans took control over Trump under Trump, and they got rid of the filibuster for Supreme Court judges.
And that is how Trump got three of his confirmed, three seats on the U.S. Supreme Court, something the Democrats still rue.
And notwithstanding all of that, President Trump right now is calling for the elimination of the filibuster as a legislative proposition in the U.S. Senate, which would be a watershed moment for America.
Count me against it.
You need minority rights in the Senate.
That is just a dangerous move.
We do not want to take.
It's so short-sighted.
I understand his frustration completely.
But wait, let me go back to Momdani for one second because it's all connected.
I want to play you something Ari Fleischer said on Fox News last night, Tom, SOT 20.
Mamdaniel will be the middle name of every Democrat running in every race around the country.
And the socialist win tonight is not over.
There's a race in Minnesota right now where a socialist may beat the incumbent Democratic senator of Minneapolis.
Keep your eye on that race.
Socialism is a growing problem for the Democratic Party.
And the more the Democrats embrace socialism with all the horrors that it entails, the crime that'll take place in New York City, the abandonment of New York City by the successful and the taxpayer, this is what's going to hurt the Democratic reputation and base going forward.
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It's hollowing out the Democratic Party.
I would so much rather, even with tonight's bad results, be the Republicans in the big picture than the Democrats.
And I just want to say one thing about that Minneapolis race for mayor, that Omar Fatay and Jacob Fry, the George Floyd kneeling mask wearing current mayor, are in a ranked choice voting battle right now.
Jacob Fry got, I think, 45 and Omar Fateh got 35%, but you have to get over 50 to win.
So now it goes to, I don't totally understand it, but now they count people second choice.
And we don't know who's won that yet.
So we don't know whether the socialists won.
But frankly, both of them are equally far left and loons.
Good luck, Minneapolis.
They're your problem now.
In any event, go ahead, Tom, on that.
Everybody's going to wear Mamdani around their necks if the Republicans do this right.
Well, that's certainly the Republican plan.
And that's what we heard from Mike Johnson.
I mean, he was very clear about that.
The question is, is that going to be a successful strategy in the long term?
I suppose if Momdani wrecks New York City in the next nine months, yeah, it'll be great for Republicans in the midterms.
But what if he doesn't?
What if it's a slower process than that?
To your point, Megan, I think Republicans have to be pretty clear-eyed about this.
And Johnson was, I don't want to say he was flip about it, but he was just kind of like, look, I was bullish before this.
I'm bullish after this.
This was Democrats voting in blue states, and that's all it was.
And he said, the other argument he used, he said, well, you know, our policies haven't even taken effect yet.
That's the one big, beautiful bill.
We're still not operating.
Those are going to go into effect at the end of the year.
Then voters are going to start to see all these great things.
And I thought to myself, that's exactly what Joe Biden said when he was running, is that, you know what?
Voters just don't, they haven't felt my policies.
They need another year or two years or four years.
That's why I need more time in office.
And we're just not explaining them properly.
And if voters just, it's a communications problem.
And that does not work.
It never has worked.
And I think Republicans have to be clear-eyed about the fact that the economy was the number one issue in both states, in New Jersey and Virginia.
Inflation, healthcare was big in Virginia.
And Democrats were winning those issues.
And so I think Republicans have to be pretty clear-eyed about what happened last night and what they can do moving forward to put themselves in a position to win.
Just hoping hoping that Mamdani wrecks New York City is not necessarily a strategy.
That's right.
No, I so agree with you.
It's like I really have no tolerance for these Republicans who are like on the bright side today.
Like, well, what about this?
Well, these were Democrat states.
Of course they were Democrat states.
We knew that.
But you read the tea leaves.
Look at what actually happened there.
Why did the Republicans, same guy, Jack Chitterelli, come within three points of defeating the Democrat opponent he faced four years ago and got trounced by some 15 points today?
Why?
Maybe that's a trend we should pay some attention to before we go into the midterms.
I mean, as much as you want to make yourself feel better with your comfy white blanket, that it's only, oh, it's like the blue states, that's a very dangerous strategy.
I'm sure the Democrats would love for these Republican navel gazers to pursue.
This just in, breaking news, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry has been elected to a third term, defeating state senator Omar Fateh by six percentage points on the second ballot.
So literally, as I was saying, what I was saying, that crossed the wires.
They did the second vote, whatever.
The people don't actually vote, but they look at what there was a second choice.
And so now that guy, Omar Fateh, whose campaign rallies actually look like you were in Somalia.
If you've, you don't need to go to Somalia.
You just watch one of this guy's campaign rallies and listen.
And it's like you've been there.
Thank God he's been defeated.
But we've had many Muslims win all over Maine, by the way.
What's going on with Maine?
Many Muslims took office there.
A Muslim's now running the greatest and biggest jewel that America has, New York City.
And it came very close in Minneapolis.
And of course, his one is running Dearborn, Michigan.
And look, the audience knows how I feel about this.
How much time do I have here, Steve, before we have to take a break?
Too hard.
All right, I'm going to hold this then until the opposite end because I've got another thing I want to run by you.
But he's got a point, does he not, Carl, that like the Republicans, they're going to, we're not, we're never going to stop hearing about Mamdani.
But think about like the Virginia race.
If you just went to Abigail Spamberger, who is like a piece of Melba toast and tried to make her into Mamdani, it would not have worked.
Well, the Democrats didn't have to do anything.
This is the, she ran this Rope-A-Doke campaign where it was hard to even know what she believed in.
And they kept hitting her with these ads about Jay Jones, you know, his fantasies about murdering children.
They hit her about this 58-year-old sex offender wandering into a girl's locker room and the mother hiding her seven-year-old in a public swimming pool.
And he said, I'm a woman now.
And she wouldn't engage on that.
She ran this very safe campaign because she knew what was going on.
Her polls and the public polls showed the same thing.
She didn't have to do anything to win.
And so, you know, Mamdani wasn't a different thing.
He came out of nowhere.
He's kind of an energetic demagogue.
But the constant is whatever, you know, the constant is the Democrat one, whatever kind of campaign they won.
And to say that we're going to make Mamdani the face of the party, first of all, to Tom's point, I don't hope he wrecks the city of New York.
What kind of, what, what kind of position Republicans put them in, put themselves in where they have to root for the failure of a great American city.
And secondly, he seems a little, he's not, you know, he's not an emperor of New York.
He's a mayor of New York.
New York's a pretty resilient city.
I was talking about.
He was talking about it.
It's resilient, but it's already staggering.
It's like the, you know, in a war scene.
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Okay, let's, you mentioned something about Mamdani and government and like he's not a king.
He thinks he is.
The no kings crowd certainly responded to his king-like messaging.
Listen to this terrifying bit of predictions by him, SOT5.
An agenda that will freeze the rents for more than 2 million rent-stabilized tenants.
Make buses fast and free.
Oh, great.
Universal child care across our city.
Good luck.
We will hire thousands more teachers.
We will cut waste from a bloated bureaucracy.
Sure.
We will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about.
Whoa.
What?
Wow.
Andrew, that's a problem.
Yeah.
Well, it's socialism is what he's describing.
There's no doubt about that.
He's got, there's a couple issues.
One is that a lot of the stuff he can't do.
I mean, he can't raise taxes.
That's something that the governor's got to do.
And she's already said she's not going to do it.
As far as the free buses go, there's a transport board and there's bonds involved.
It's kind of complicated.
And by the way, how's he going to make buses faster?
Like, where does he get that power?
I know, I know the answer to this.
Do you want to know what the theory is?
The theory is that by people not having to put money in, that will make it faster and easier for the buses to run.
I'm happy to hear you say that, Andy.
I thought they were going to run over pedestrians.
This is better.
They already do that.
Have you ever stood on a corner in New York when the bus is going by?
There's not even half an inch between the bus, its wheels, and you.
You have a kid.
Trust me, I had three kids who are all of whom spent their zero to 10 years in New York.
They've got to get way to hell, but you can't be a foot back from the edge of the curve.
You've got to be like three feet back.
It's terrifying.
Go ahead, Andy.
To say nothing of the bike lanes.
That's my fear when I'm in New York City.
Devastating.
So anyway, so he's not going to be able to do a lot of this stuff.
A lot of the stuff isn't going to work.
I mean, if anyone has ever gone to a co-op when I was a kid in college, you know, we had a college co-op for food, and it was terrible.
It was a disaster.
And you went down the streets to Johnny's Foodmaster.
That was the place in Somerville that was the big, you know, grocery store.
And it was a thing of beauty.
It was lit up at night.
And that's one of the reasons I became a capitalist was because I had that experience where I saw what happens at the co-op, the way the vegetables looked and the way the vegetables looked at Johnny's Foodmaster.
100%.
I don't know if Johnny's Foodmaster is still there.
But anyway, but the thing is, with socialism, what you do is you blame someone else.
So they will blame Donald Trump, who's already sort of led into this narrative a little bit by saying, I'm not going to send them money.
So there'll be a hundred reasons why socialism doesn't work in New York.
And none of them will have to do with socialism itself.
Socialism works.
It's just we've never tried it.
You have to remember that.
That's the sort of basic promise of socialism.
That's the reason why it was all young people.
You know, young nimrods who actually think, gee, this is a new idea.
We should try it.
No one's ever tried this before.
How could socialism work?
Maybe that's the answer to all of our problems.
We'll be the very first.
And by the way, we have absolutely no terrorism risk because there's been no meaningful terror attack that I can remember in my lifetime.
I mean, this is like who's controlling these elections.
Deb, Canadian Debbie, really wants me to play the following soundbite for you.
So I will.
Independent journalist Nick Shirley again here, Sat 9B.
Who are you voting for for mayor?
I like Cuomo, but I think Mondani might be pulling the lead a little bit with me.
What's your favorite example of socialism that's worked?
I don't have a big example of it, of socialism.
Like between Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Union, what's your favorite one?
Man, you put me on the spot.
I'm going to have to go Cuba.
Do you think Mamdani's the future of the Democratic Party?
I mean, I hope so.
Oh, God.
That's scary.
Yeah.
Megan, that's the quote of the year.
I'm going to have to go with Cuba.
You played that clip earlier about the student that was like, you know, had the $10 matcha in her hand.
And she's like, you know, I mean, I just saw a clip online of some young women who voted for Momdani that were talking about like Sharia laws coming and they were celebrating that.
I mean, it was like, and they weren't even Muslims.
I don't even think they knew what that meant.
I mean, I hope you enjoy your genitals.
Enjoy them while they're still intact.
I mean, it's kind of crazy.
Meanwhile, did you see Alex Soros posted a picture of him with his arm around Mamdani and saying, you know, so proud to be a New Yorker.
And I, you know, isn't he supposed to be fighting the oligarchy and the billionaires?
Isn't aren't they the enemy?
How's that going?
Isn't that what?
Yeah, how's that going?
Well, I guess, obviously, we've learned only some billionaires are evil and other billionaires are great.
But it just goes to the point.
This guy is, he went to private school.
He's from an elite family.
He is totally sort of role-playing here and disconnected from the hardships that New Yorkers are facing on an everyday basis.
Well, he's the van.
Like I said, he lost the working class.
The working class voted for Cuomo.
It was all of the elite, high earners, reasonably high, and the college-educated crew, we know what college does to you, that voted for Momdami.
Go ahead, Andrew.
I'm just saying this is textbook from the socialist playbook.
I mean, here's the thing.
The problem with the working class and why they don't embrace socialism is because they don't, they're not bright enough to do it.
That's fundamental to the sort of socialist view of things.
And so what you need are people like Mamdani who are the vanguard of the proletariat.
These are the people like Lenin who are educated enough to understand the theories behind Marx, which are completely impossible to understand because they make no sense.
But they understand that enough and they will lead the revolution.
And the revolution will be led not by the workers, but by the vanguard of the workers.
And that's what Mamdani is here to do.
Like I say, this is all, you know, this is sort of just the way socialism worked again and again and again.
And people somehow forget about it.
And it's one of the wonders of the modern world how socialism could have failed everywhere.
And it still has this sort of hold on people's imagination.
It hasn't been tried properly, Andy.
Come on.
We have Mamdani on the record saying he doesn't think there should be billionaires and that he does view the ultimate goal as, quote, seizing the means of production.
What could be more Marxist?
He actually wants to seize the means of production.
Okay.
First of all, that's not going to happen, right?
That's his utopia, but it's not going to happen in the United States of America.
I do want to get back to the there's no problem too big or too small for government to get involved.
What a contrast from the gipper, the great communicator, Ronald Reagan.
We teed it up.
I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Yeah, that seems a lot closer to what's real, but we have to keep learning these lessons over and over and over again.
I do want to play you something, though.
I don't want to be, it's very easy to bash Mamdani.
Very.
But we should pay some attention to like what exactly caused people to vote for him beyond like his promises of free things.
Like there is something happening to young people in particular, but under 44 in New York, which isn't that young, that made them flock to this guy, that made an extra million people get off the couch and go vote for him.
I mean, that's incredible for a mayoral race.
And I want to play a soundbite, this is Charlie Kirk on Tucker Carlson's show, right after Mamdani won the Democrat nomination.
Listen here.
It's a coming attraction of what is coming next, Mamdani.
Zorhan Mamdani, the Muslim communist that is running for mayor in New York City, who obviously there's a whole rabbit hole we can go down there.
He just looks kind of be like central casting and his ideas are terrible.
He wants the city to run the grocery stores, all that.
But I think everyone's kind of, not everyone, but most people are missing the point of really what this is.
This is yet another distress signal by young people to say, hey, if you're not going to fix our life economically, we're going to get very radical politically.
Now, let's take a step back.
President Trump won the youth vote in many states across the country, in many battleground states.
One of the reasons he was able to win younger voters and younger men, especially in big numbers, is that they were trying to get their leaders' attention.
They said, hey, this guy, Donald Trump, he is pledging to go fix our economic anxiety.
He is loud.
He is going to get your attention.
Donald Trump was a distress signal by a lot of young people, especially young men that were stuck in a credit-centric renter economy.
I miss him so much.
But Tom, he's raising really good points there about they're not all crazy leftists.
Like some are actually just suffering, not just in New York, but in other big cities and want to try something completely different because they just feel the system has utterly failed them.
I think that's exactly right.
And that's the genius of Mamdani's campaign is, you know, he has all these, he has all these programs, which are pie in the sky, obviously.
We know we're not, but the central theme around which it was built was affordability.
And that is a powerful word that everybody can understand.
It doesn't take, you know, it doesn't take a lot to digest that.
And that's why it hit home, particularly, I think, with younger folks and why Democrats, that's what Spamberger was talking about in Virginia.
Cheryl was talking about that in New Jersey.
And Republicans should be talking about affordability as well, because it is something, it is a huge concern for everybody in an economy where inflation has taken a huge bite out of people's paychecks and their purchasing power from everything from healthcare to education to what they get at the grocery store.
And that's why he's been so successful.
And, you know, Donald Trump was able to tap into that on sort of the populist right.
And, you know, Mamdani is sort of version of, I would say, Bernie Sanders sort of 2.0.
He's done a good job of tapping into that on the left.
And as Charlie Kirk rightly pointed out, that's not something to just be dismissed or waived away.
And that's what I go back to my point earlier.
I think Republicans need to be clear-eyed about what happened on Tuesday and figure out how to reconnect with those voters and solve those problems.
Otherwise, they could be headed for a not so great midterms.
You've got a situation where Trump's main tool to get the inflation that he inherited, to be fair to Trump, down, is his tariff policy.
And he said from the beginning, it's going to take me a while.
So I'm going to need you to be a little patient.
Well, they're not.
That's not really a virtue among the American electorate and certainly not among like moderates in the middle who aren't diehard MAGA.
They're not.
They want their grocery bills to go down, like ASAP, and they'll sign on to the person who's making the promise most believably and most boldly.
And in this case, that was the Democrats.
Just today, his tariff case is going up to the Supreme Court to see whether he actually has the power.
Charles C.W. Cook at National Review has been arguing from the beginning, like the tariffs or hate the tariffs.
Trump doesn't have the ability to do this.
He needed congressional approval and a lower court has so held.
So we'll see what the Supreme Court upholds.
And that's why Trump keeps saying at every speech, I use the tariffs for foreign policy.
This is how I got peace in the Middle East.
This is how I'm going to negotiate other peace deals in Ukraine and elsewhere, like to put pressure on these countries to come to reason.
And that's clearly a ploy.
To me, it's very clear.
Yes, it's true, but he's also using it to try to get in the ear of the Supreme Court to try to say, of course, it's within my power.
I'm the commander in chief.
So we'll see how that goes.
It's a big, big case.
But this strategy, Carl, of like, just be patient, that only works with the party faithful.
Everybody else is having trouble paying their bills and living paycheck to paycheck, and they're going to blame whoever's in power.
Yeah, I agree with you, Megan.
In this interview that Andy and Tom and Phil Wigman did with Speaker Johnson, he was asked, you know, he's a constitutional lawyer, and he was asked about the tariffs, but he did not give a constitutional answer.
He gave a political answer.
He said what you pointed out, Megan.
He said, you know, he's the commander-in-chief.
We won't want to cripple him.
He ran on this.
He said he was going to do it.
He ran on it.
He won.
Those are interesting arguments.
And then he even mentioned Obamacare and how John Roberts came up with this imaginative way to uphold that.
He said, you know, just let this be, you know, let it be.
But Obamacare was different.
That was a law passed by Congress, signed by the president.
This is the president taking a power that belongs to Congress.
And the ranking member of Congress in the House is saying, oh, let's let him have it.
It was a little disjointed in argument.
And as I was listening to him, I thought, I'm not sure the Supreme Court's going to buy this.
In terms of what you said, Megan, about these young people, you know, I interviewed John DeLa Volpe, who's a pollster at Harvard.
He's a liberal Democrat, really good guy.
I interviewed Spencer Kimball, more conservative, pollster at Emerson College, really good guy.
And they both said what you and Tom have been saying about young people is that they feel that the system has failed them.
And I get that to a point.
What I don't get, though, is why socialism is they think that's the answer.
You don't have to, Andy gave a good primer on, you know, on how it's always failed, but you don't have to go back to the Bolshevik revolution.
Socialism is being practiced right now in Venezuela, and it has utterly wrecked the country.
Helping Kids Learn Skills00:03:23
And the disconnect to me is why these young voters don't get that.
And maybe that's the case Republicans should make, but it's not working right now.
It's failing Venezuelans to the point where Joe Biden, the Biden administration, gave 500,000 visas to Venezuelans to come here and work.
And they come here and work.
And then the Democrats immediately start in on them and say, you got to vote Democrat because we need socialism.
It's circular.
It doesn't make sense.
And I don't see how it works in the long run to give these young voters what they think they need.
When we were in Sweden, we asked some of our Swedish hosts and friends, because they're very proud of the fact that it's like free.
You have maternity leave for a year and you have free education and some free child care and free, And oh, it's so wonderful here.
And there are some things that we could take from it.
Like I remember they were very good on vocational training for young people.
That is something that we should do more of, helping kids who don't want to go to useless college just to be indoctrinated into left-wing ideology learn a real skill, like whether it's car mechanics, this young gal was doing hair and she learned it in high school, like maybe a year post-high school, but it was paid for by the state.
Those kinds of things do tend to have a return on investment.
But then we asked, what's your tax rate?
And this is not like some rich person.
There are no rich people for the most part.
What's your tax rate?
And she said, it's over 70%.
And if you look it up online, they'll say, oh, the highest tax rate is like something like 58%.
But of course, then there's a bunch of local taxes that are thrown on there.
So most people over there who are actually earning are paying over 70% of their pay to the government.
I mean, like that, that kills all incentive.
That is the official death of the American dream if we adopt a system like that here.
We did try it at one point.
It failed.
Go ahead, Andy.
So I was just going to say, here's the thing about socialism that just says this.
We tend to talk about it as an economic system and we talk about how it doesn't work economically.
And I do the same.
But we're missing about half the story.
And I think that Charlie Kirk bite was sort of right on it, which is that socialism.
Well, there's a great book Josh Morovchik wrote called Heaven on Earth, and it's a survey of socialism.
And that's part of it.
What socialism promises you is a heaven on earth.
Socialism is as much a religion as it is an economic system, maybe more so.
And when we talk about socialism, you sort of have to understand that because that's the only thing that I think can explain its appeal.
It tells you that you can have a better life here on earth if you do X, Y, and Z.
And at the end of it, after the revolution, there was some sort of nirvana that comes.
And it all happens here on earth in the material world in your lifetime.
That's very powerful, especially to young people right now who are increasingly not going to church.
Pew calls them the nuns and ONEs.
They have no religious affiliation, even though they feel like they're spiritual people.
So where is that spiritual, where do they find that spiritual home?
And if they aren't finding it in their churches, if they aren't finding it in their communities, socialism as a sort of idea, it provides that.
Material World Nirvana00:15:14
And that is what we're doing.
That's what the West has always been up against when it runs into socialism.
Just as we see the beginnings of the death of wokeism, income socialism.
Another new religion they could try.
Whereas like the answer to their problem is Christianity, and it's been there all along.
Go back and give it a try.
Okay, let's keep going because it's not just this crazy loon in New York.
It's, you know, Virginia.
And what happened in New Jersey, guys?
What happened in New Jersey?
I realized there was that one Atlas poll right before that showed him, like, it was pretty tight.
It showed it within four, I think, Chitterelli.
Then there was a question about whether they had overweighted Republicans and Independents in that poll.
Sorry, I'm mixing up my races.
That was in New York showing Cuomo closing in on Mamdani.
But Chittarelli did pretty well in closing the gap with Cheryl.
And there was nothing inherently likable about Mikey Cheryl.
She wasn't some special politician in her own right, but he was actually really, he wasn't a Winsome Sears.
I don't mean to pile on Winsome, but she wasn't.
I mean, let's face it, that debate, Epigale, Epigale, Epigale.
It was weird.
And I said it at the time.
He didn't have any of those problems.
So what happened in New Jersey?
Well, I can speak to the polls.
I mean, we had about, I think, eight or nine polls in our Real Clear Politics average.
And there were only two, the Fox News poll and Quinnipiak, that showed Cheryl with a seven-point lead.
Both of them did.
Every other poll was four points or less.
So the preponderance of the polls, I think our average was about 3.3%, which again was right where Chittarelli finished his race last time around, which is why I think people thought that he had a chance to score an upset there.
At least that was the conventional wisdom.
But obviously, the polls missed this huge turnout that took place.
And if you look at the exit polls, 52% of the electorate were women, and they voted for Mikey Sherrill over Chitterelli by 24% or 24 points.
So that was part of it.
Ironically, the gender gap was even bigger in Virginia.
Spamberger beat Winsom Sears by 30 points among women.
Again, 52% of the electorate.
And so I think it was just the polls did not pick up what happened in New Jersey.
But can I just say also about Virginia?
Because that race, I mean, obviously we have Jay Jones and what happened there, seven-point win.
46% of people thought it was disqualifying.
53% think what he did was either, you know, concerning but not disqualifying, or the 10% of people who said it wasn't a concern at all, which is kind of shocking.
Winston Sears won white voters.
For all the talk about white voters being racist, she won white voters.
And we had all these examples of these white liberals in Virginia that were the dude who lost his job was telling her to go back to Haiti and she was a traitor.
And then there was the older white woman who was like, you know, made the comparison to like water fountains and, you know, the trans can't use pro.
Yeah, yeah.
You can't use our fountains.
Lord, I mean, what a nasty piece of work some of these liberals in Virginia were.
And by the way, 92% of black voters in Virginia voted against the black candidate.
So it really does show that, you know, partisanship is the drug.
It's R or it's D.
Yeah.
That reminds me.
Okay.
So Van Jones said something last night that I did think was interesting.
I marked it when I heard it.
Here it is.
It's SOT 19.
Tell me if you agree with this, Tom.
Listen.
Buyers' remorse from independence.
Independence gave Donald Trump a shot, buyers' remorse.
The Latin community gave him a shot.
You see, buyers' remorse.
Black men gave Trump a shot.
They've come back home.
Buyers' remorse.
Why?
Because people are sick of the status quo.
That's why they voted for Trump the first time.
That's why they voted him out the second time.
That's why they voted back in.
People want change.
And Donald Trump said he was going to do something about grocery prices.
He's done everything, but he's putting in gold toilets in the White House.
He's tearing up.
He's gallbladding around the world.
And you're seeing buyers' remorse.
What do you make of that, Tom?
I think there's something to that for sure.
I mean, independence did go for the Democrats in both states.
And he's right.
I mean, you certainly saw the Hispanic vote and Hispanic vote and the black vote both reverted to sort of pre-Trump means in terms of their support.
The other thing that was interesting, too, and this goes to it being sort of a change election, we talked a lot about last time around the double haters.
Remember the double haters, the people who did not like either one of the candidates.
Well, they had the exit polls showed that in 8% of the electorate in Virginia and New Jersey were people who had did not have favorable opinions of either party.
In both cases, they voted for the Democrat, 77% in New Jersey and 81% in Virginia, or vice versa.
I mean, it was overwhelming.
So it was, there was, I think there was a sense of buyers' remorse.
I think there was a sense of, you know, we want change.
And I do think that there was a sense that, you know, Donald Trump did say he was going to solve these problems and he was off overseas and he was not, I think, mining the store at home to, and you see this in his approval ratings.
When you look at, you know, when he took office, he was the economy and inflation were two of his strongest issues.
And pretty darn quickly, he went underwater on those issues.
And now he's very underwater.
So the public has been focused on that while he's been focused on other things.
And I think that's one of the reasons they took it out on the Republican Party last night.
What about that?
I saw a lot of that online that he's been overseas and he's not focused on bread and butter issues at home.
Now, Trump's been overseas trying to settle wars and trying to renegotiate trade deals as he tries to move us from a free trade to a fair trade approach.
And so, you know, there's a reason for it.
But I see the reason, Carl, that people are questioning whether that was smart.
Like whether the average voter in Virginia or New Jersey or New York or Georgia is feeling like, where is he?
Because my grocery still bills are still sky high and he's in Vietnam.
Yeah, you know, I wonder if that it's a piece of a larger picture with President Trump, that Donald Trump's re-elected and some of a lot of these things he's done, encourage prosecutions of people who offended him in his first term and went after him in his first term.
This White House tearing down the East Wing and doing things that seem self-indulgent, like he's in it for him.
And I think among independent voters, there's some disillusionment with that.
And he didn't need to do any of these things.
Now, we should sort of stick it.
Right now, the country is ungovernable.
And I don't know any president could come in there and be very highly successful.
But Megan, do you remember when Biden, Joe Biden ran for president, he said, he must have said this 50 times.
If I'm elected president, I will work as hard for the people who didn't vote for me as the people who did.
And Kamala Harris actually used that line in her speech in Chicago in the convention.
But Joe Biden didn't govern that way.
And so he just came across as cynical.
But Donald Trump didn't even give it lip service.
Donald Trump has not tried.
He's not been worried about Democrats at all.
He's not been worried about, and he'll say, well, that's a blue state or, you know, those people didn't vote for me.
This is unique.
And we've never had a president that doesn't even make an attempt to be a uniter.
It's hard enough to do.
But if you're not even trying to do it, I think a lot of these independent voters can, well, that Trump's in it for himself or he's in it for MAGA.
He's not really in it for me.
So I think this was a problem for Republicans last night.
It's like so frustrating to hear you say that because I think you're probably right.
And yet I also know how Trump and Core MAGA are feeling, which is the reason we have to play a Charlie Kirk soundbite instead of hear from Charlie Kirk is they put a bullet in his neck.
So fuck them.
You know, that's, I think that's how a lot of us on the right are feeling.
Like, I don't care.
I really don't care what blue voters in New Jersey want.
I want a sane country and I want a fighter in the White House who will steamroll right over them if they try to pull this shit.
And yet their brand of violent politics seems to be growing or a comfort with it seems to be growing because we have a top law enforcement official in the Commonwealth of Virginia, which is a great state, who really seems committed to the idea that Republicans and their children must die in order for policies to change, right?
So it's like, I've been talking to my kids about this election.
You know, we've been talking more about politics as they get a little older.
I don't even know how to explain to them that Jay Jones won.
You know, it's like they know that this guy advocated for Republican children to be shot just because they're the children of Republicans.
Like they don't understand how a state would put that guy in office.
Well, I live there and I don't understand it either.
It showed me that he was unfit for office, but he won and he won comfortably.
But we should remember that Trump's approval rating, Tom, I think this is right, is low and maybe at the lowest of his president, his second presidency right now, but it's still above where Obama was at this point.
I mean, isn't that correct?
I mean, he's unpopular, but only compared to where his popularity has been for the, you know, since he took office.
So that's a good news, bad news story, because you saw what happened to Obama in his midterms.
Trump may fare no better.
But, you know, there's a lot of ruin in the country.
And, you know, we'll see what happens here.
But one of the other data points, Megan, that came out of the exit polls, if you believe these exit polls, is that a majority in both states thought that Trump's immigration deportation system had gone too far.
And those folks voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats.
And I think there has been, you know, enough negative publicity surrounding some of that stuff that Democrats have managed to leverage that issue against Republicans as well.
And by the way, there were also- They have a shutdown in Virginia.
That's- They shut down the Virginia.
And only they're blaming Republicans, which is not right, but they are.
Right.
Yeah, and there was also an exapoll question on trans rights.
And do you think they've gone too far or not far enough?
And or just about right.
And about 45% in Virginia and about 45% of folks who I assume are all Democrats said that they haven't gone far enough or they're just right.
But a majority said that they've gone too far.
52% said they've gone too far, but still some portion of those 52% voted for Spamberger, who will bring them even farther potentially, or will certainly leave the, you know, try to revert Youngkin's reforms.
Can I ask you a quick question about Junckin?
Steve Bannon's going off on Youngkin today.
He's very unhappy with him.
And he and some others have said this is officially the death knell to his presidential hopes because he's leaving after four years as the Virginia governor.
And obviously there wasn't much of a baton to pass to Winsom.
And he also said, and this may or may not be true.
I didn't follow it, but he said that he kind of pulled what the Democrat Party did with Kamala with respect to Winsom, where he didn't really encourage an open primary and just kind of like handed it to her, even though there were obvious questions about whether she was a viable candidate for the top job in Virginia.
I think most of us are thinking it's going to be JD or Marco anyway, like a member of the Trump administration who will be the Republican standard bearer.
But Youngkin was on the shortlist, you know, and those we talked about last time.
So what do you make of Steve Bannon's theory that this is, he's done?
I don't buy it.
First of all, no one will remember this in two years.
And that's crazy.
I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
Because we live in this sort of world where we get on the radio and we talk about this stuff.
We think everyone cares about it so much.
I mean, in a week, we won't be talking about these elections.
We'll be talking about something else.
And Junckin will rise or fall.
I think the bigger question for Yunkin, if you will, is just, you know, if he's out of office for two years, what's his platform?
How does he keep in front of the American people?
That's what he's trying to do.
I think it's very hard now to start a podcast.
I don't think he's made for the podcast world, but I do think he's a good man.
I've told a story before, but just when we both appeared at Virginia Tech for Charlie, a venue I had agreed to go to with Charlie and then obviously couldn't.
He showed up and he was so sweet, you guys.
He brought all of his full security that he gets as the Virginia governor.
And it was, you know, this is two weeks after Charlie was killed.
And when he left, he left early because he just did sort of like the opening remarks.
He left all of his security for me and for the people there, which is like so sweet.
He didn't have to do that.
Like it arguably endangered himself.
And I mean, that's a good man.
I think Gunn Youngin is a good man.
I don't know whether he's got a future in a party that's dominated by MAGA, you know, more MA style politics, but I'll vouch for him as a good man any day.
I was going to say, I think his bigger problem isn't whether he did or didn't take responsibility or this thing is his fault or not Winsome Sears.
It's just whether he's a right fit for the sort of national populist movement, the MA movement.
He seems a little more genteel, a little bit more of a country club Republican, sort of from the pre-Trump era, if you will.
And all of those folks, you know, to me, there's a dividing line.
When Trump won, there's pre-Trump and there's post-Trump.
And all the folks who were running pre-Trump, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, like those guys are done.
Like if they tried to run again today, they would go nowhere.
And it's all of the, Marco Rubio is the only one who was able to cross over and become part of the sort of MAGA movement and has been very successful at it, which gives you an idea of just how talented he is politically.
But everybody else moving forward, it's a different party and it requires a different leader.
And it's JD and it's Marco and it's Byron Donalds and it's these other folks who really represent, I think, the MAGA base.
Pre-Trump Is Done00:02:16
And to me, when I look at Glenn Yunken, that's not him.
And I will say, I'll give you a dark horse for your list.
Don Jr.
When I interviewed him two weeks ago, he sounded closer to saying he might throw his hat in the ring than I've ever heard before.
Now, he's a big JD Vance fan.
So I don't see him challenging JD Vance, but I think we're within two election cycles of seeing Donald Trump Jr.'s name on the ballot.
Carl, you were going to make a point.
I was just going to say about Glenn Young.
I've been at a dinner.
I don't know him well.
I've been at a dinner with him once, Megan.
And it seems to me that the animating feature of him as a public person is his deep, he's just a very devout Christian.
And that seems to, you know, he, I'm not saying Tom's wrong.
He doesn't fit the MAGA mold, but he's not just a country Republican.
I mean, he's an evangelical Christian who takes his faith very deeply.
And I think people who meet him are struck by his authenticity and his sincerity and like him and want to succeed.
I don't know that he ever figured as a presidential candidate, but I don't think, I think there's room for him in any configuration of the Republican Party.
Yes, there should be.
If not on the top job, he should definitely be in an administration.
I'll tell you this.
We sat outside of that Virginia Tech hall, you know, auditorium that we were going to go speak inside of, and everybody was a little nervous.
I mean, truly, it was like two weeks after Charlie was killed.
This is a turning point event.
You know, there were nerves for sure.
And he came and he asked me and my staff, we included my staff, which is always, I always love people who include my staff.
We all held hands and he and his staff too.
And we said a prayer.
He led it.
And it was really beautiful, very, very well articulated.
You know, I pray, but I pray silently.
And the only time I pray out loud is either in church or at grace.
And so I think you have to practice being able to pray like that.
And boy, he's clearly practiced.
And I'm telling you, it was like the angels descended and we all, like our shoulders came down, the tension released, and he shored us all up to be able to go out there and do what we knew we needed to do that night for Charlie.
So I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Glenn Young.
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See, I'm not all F-bombs.
As we've gone through the show, I've calmed down.
And I'm not sure what that is.
That's what I love about you.
All right, stand by.
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Okay, to quote the great Stephen L. Miller, who goes by Red Stees on X. Everyone knows he's my favorite Twitter account.
I regret to inform you we've disappointed Michelle Obama again.
The Obamas in general.
He said it the other day because Michelle Obama's on this book tour and she continues to complain.
I mean, you would think this woman had just a horrible life, a really rough time here in the United States of America to listen to her.
Instead of, she got into Princeton on affirmative action.
She got a job at a Chicago law firm.
She married the future president of the United States.
She became first lady.
She had four Vogue magazine covers.
She was uniformly beloved.
She named her book Beloved.
She had like the highest approval ratings of anybody for many, many years.
They only started to go down once she started to talk more and introduce us to who she is.
So here she is.
She's promoting this fashion book that she's doing, which is such a joke.
This is like me doing a book on basketball.
Like Michelle Obama is not a fashion icon, no matter what Anna Wintor tried to tell us.
That's obvious.
No one's inspired by her fashion at all.
She knows nothing about fashion, same as I know nothing about sports.
Okay, that some of us just need to admit our weaknesses.
But we have to go along with this.
She's out there lecturing us on wokeness and America and fashion.
Okay.
And here's the latest offering as she sits down with Stephen Colbert.
Take a listen to SOT33.
I knew very quickly that I had to control every aspect of how I showed up in the world.
It was a race to let the country learn me from me before they learned this other crazy woman that they were talking about, the angry, bitter black woman that was a terrorist and a danger to her country and didn't love her country.
And how I showed up in the world played a huge role in just reminding people that we're normal people.
Yes, we're black.
But we bleed red and we love red, white, and blue.
Oh my God.
Everyone knows that.
You don't have to keep reminding us that you're black, just like your friend Corine Jean-Pierre.
You don't have to work it into every single conversation and also raise it as a way of saying the country's racist.
We're normal, even though we're black.
Weird white people who are racists and hate us because of our skin color.
That's what she's saying.
She said the other day, they didn't get the same grace other first families got because of skin color.
I'm sick of it.
Amazingly, Andrew Woolworth seems to want to take this one.
Go ahead, Annie.
I don't know why I'm the Michelle Obama whisperer around here.
Last time we were on, we talked about her as well.
You know, I think.
Hey, if I can ask Victor Davis Hansen about OnlyFans, I can ask you about Michelle Obama.
You certainly may.
You certainly may.
And as a black woman of color myself, I will tell you.
No, I think it's always amazing the sort of language she uses too, this sort of like how I decided to show myself to the world or something.
This sort of weird sort of construct.
I don't know.
I don't know where that comes from.
It's kind of academic.
It's kind of like I see, right?
And it's very off-putting, I think.
I do agree.
I think, and her relationship with her husband is kind of fascinating at this point.
And she's put it out there so many times now.
She kind of hates him.
And she stuck with him.
And, you know, and yet you saw him out there campaigning.
There was Obama.
You know, he's the one guy that they trot out, they've still got, who's got some juice and, you know, probably helped turn out some votes.
They didn't trot her out.
And Virginia.
They did not trot out.
They did not trot her out.
Michelle.
And I'm telling you, nobody's listening to this podcast.
Maybe there's some hate watching or like some Maureen Callahan calls it rubbernecking.
Like as a result of Maureen and yours truly covering Megan Markle, I think her Netflix show got some rubbernecking views.
And that's what's happening with Michelle Obama.
But honestly, like the fact I had to show them, you know, like the unfair people who suggested I didn't love America, Tom, that comes from her saying on camera that when her husband was nominated was the first time in her adult life that she was ever proud of her country.
That's not some right-wing made-up thing.
She said it and people recoiled.
Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, that was how a lot of people, and that got a lot of publicity, as it probably should have, because that's not how you could say, well, she misspoke, but it's like, well, that's not how people normally phrase things.
It's the first time in my adult life that I'm proud of my country.
I mean, that's a pretty coherent thought.
And the other part about her husband, you know, she and her husband sat in the pews and listened to Jeremiah Wright for years.
He married them, talked about America, you know, chickens coming home to roost and all of that.
God D America.
Yeah, absolutely.
So this stuff didn't just sort of materialize out of nowhere.
This is not some fiction that was made up.
And she continues to, I mean, it's, you know, it's like a glass half full or a glass half empty.
I think a lot of people look at Michelle Obama and think, man, your glass is half full.
I mean, you've lived this amazing life.
went from, you listed all the things.
And then she went from literally no one to one of the most admired people in the world who's like a multi-millionaire with homes in Hawaii and Calorama and all these places.
Martha's Vineyard, they've lived an amazingly charmed life because of the American people, because people voted her husband into office.
And she looks at her life and sees the glass half empty and says, man, you know, I've gotten what I've gotten despite because of America and its flaws and racism and all these things.
And I was so criticized.
I mean, she just looks at it through a completely different lens.
And I think there's just not a ton of, we always tell our kids, you know, like, be grateful.
Be grateful every day for everything that you have because there's so many people out there who have so much less than you, who have so much more tragedy in their lives, who have so much more struggles.
You should always approach everything that happens to you in your life with a sense of gratefulness.
And she just doesn't have it.
No, we do the same.
We go around our dinner table all the time and say, say three things you're grateful for.
And, you know, it's easy.
It's easy.
She's just not built that way.
Got to end on this one, speaking of the obsessive focus on identity.
You guys have seen it.
We've seen it.
Corrine Jean-Pierre is at it again.
And now she's defending the fact that she mentions, I'm a black queer woman at every stop on her book tour.
She's mad that people are questioning it.
Watch this.
Here she is on Higher Learning with Rachel Lindsay.
It pisses me off that people who have not walked in my shoes, who have no idea who really I am as a person, get to tell me how I get to identify myself right now.
So it's like, I was like, you can't tell me how I get to identify myself.
You can't tell me how I get to call myself.
Like, screw you.
Like, who does that?
That's not okay.
Like, that is not okay.
You have no right to tell anybody how they should identify themselves and how they see themselves in the world.
Like, you have not walked through my battles.
You have not walked through my life.
You don't even have to hold my personal story.
So that's how I really, that just, that just boils me up.
First of all, she's a communications expert, allegedly.
How I get to call myself, that is not a phrase.
That is not appropriate English.
But second of all, no one's criticizing, no one's telling her how she has to identify herself, just that she should stop doing it incessantly.
It's not like, okay, I get that you're black.
If asked what your race is, you should say black.
But if asked what your, you know, sexual orientation is, you should say you're a lesbian.
I object to queer.
It's weird.
But like the issue is she mentions it obsessively.
Truly, Carl, have you ever sat in a, in an interview ever in your life and said, my name's Carl Cannon and I am a white straight male?
I just want you to know my perspective is a white straight male.
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And then you go.
I'm of Irish descent.
I think if you see me, you know right away.
I think you guys are being hard on Michelle Obama and I'll tell you why.
So she has all these things that you described, fame, fortune, many houses, acclaim, this charm life.
But there is one thing and she's talked about it.
All that is outweighed by she doesn't like how her husband chooses food.
And so it reminds me in his great book, Is Sex Necessary, James Thurber describes this man who had this perfect woman, beautiful, sexy, knew how to dress, came from money.
All his friends loved her, his parents loved her, but he had to break up with her because there was one trait he couldn't forgive, and that is she would use the salutation, howdy, instead of hello.
That's Michelle Obama.
That's the least of the problems she's dealing with over there in Household Obama.
Well, tune into that podcast and you'll hear all about them.
Guys, a pleasure.
Thank you.
Thanks, Megan.
Time.
All right.
And don't forget, folks, tomorrow, it's Megan Kelly Live with Tucker Carlson.
Gee, I wonder if there's anything for us to talk about.