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May 23, 2024 - The Megyn Kelly Show
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Third-Party Candidates Explained 00:05:22
Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111, every weekday at least.
Thanks to all of you.
That's how.
Thanks so much for tuning in this day and all the others.
We've had some great shows recently, and today is yet another that I'm super excited to bring to you, featuring two first-time guests here on the MK Show.
Remember that viral you ain't black if you're not voting for me comment by then candidate Joe Biden during the 2020 campaign.
Well, you can thank my next guest for that one.
Joining me now is Charlemagne Vagad.
He is the author of the new book, Get Honest or Die Lying: Why Small Talk Sucks.
Find out more and get tickets for book signings at whysmalltalksucks.com.
Charlemagne, welcome to the show.
Thanks, Megan.
Thank you for having me.
How are you?
I'm great.
It's so nice to meet you.
You've made so much news with politicians and other cultural figures over the year, many of which we've played on this show, the soundbites thereof.
That one with Joe Biden just went completely viral.
And then I saw you on the view yesterday where they were trying to zero in on you and Biden and this presidential race.
And those ladies really, really, really wanted you to say that you endorse him.
You didn't want to do it, but eventually you admitted, okay, it's kind of a binary choice here.
I mean, it's basically a binary choice and that you're not going to vote for Trump.
So why wouldn't you just be explicit about it?
I wondered about the hesitation.
Simply because I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not a fan.
And, you know, I don't think that, you know, an endorsement, like people think that me not wanting to endorse means that I'm not voting, which I think is the strangest, strangest thing ever.
There was another moment in that conversation where I even said, hey, there's third-party candidates.
Whoopi told me she'll beat my behind if I bring up third-party candidates.
So I just think it's kind of strange where we are as a culture and as a society, where it's almost like there's either one of two extremes.
And if you're a person who just, you know, simply chooses to be objective, simply, you know, chooses to look at both candidates and say, hey, I think there's some right things here.
There's some wrong things there.
There's some good things here.
There's some, you know, good things over here.
Like just me being able to explore both options are all options that are out there.
For some reason, it bothers people.
And I don't, I don't understand why.
They were really pressing you.
They were like, Dude, Dude Biden is solid.
They wanted you to go to your audience and say, vote for Biden.
And it was very strange.
Like, you know, you've got some magic wand that's going to turn this thing if you just say, I endorse.
Can I ask you about third parties?
Would you consider RFKJ?
I mean, I've looked at all of them.
I've looked at RFK.
I've looked at Marianne Williamson.
I've looked at Cornell West.
Like I've looked at all of them.
I've been looking at third party since, you know, 2016.
Like, you know, like 2016, people would say we didn't have the best options, right?
But I felt like Hillary Clinton was overly qualified to be president, but it's not like I didn't explore everything.
I explored after President Obama, I explored everything.
I explored conservatives.
I explored, you know, the Green Party.
I explored Democrats.
I feel like that's what you should do as an American citizen.
You know, I don't think the two-party system, you know, has been, has been the best thing for us here in America.
And I don't think there's anything wrong exploring everything.
I'm actually shocked that there hasn't been a third party candidate that's been able to come along and like really galvanize people, especially being that America seems to be so disappointed in the choices that we have now.
Do you think that there is like more pressure on you to quote endorse because you're black and there's a presumption that you have some influence with black voters who not by huge margins, but by some margins are migrating from the Democrat to the Republican Party or at least from Biden to Trump?
I think I think people, I don't know if people are necessarily, and I see the numbers, like I think I said, or 22% of people, 22% of black people may vote for Donald Trump.
I think that number is overstated a little bit.
But my guy, Tim Ryan, who used to be a congressman in Ohio, Tim Ryan, well, senator in Ohio, I'm sorry.
Tim Ryan used to always, he talks about the exhausted majority.
And I think that's what most people are in this country.
We're the exhausted majority.
So it's not even just about being tired of, you know, Democrats or being tired of Republicans.
People are just tired of politics, period.
You know, and I think that's what you're seeing a lot of now.
Like even, you know, having the conversation about, you know, who I'm choosing to vote for.
Listen, I've said it over and over what I think about both candidates, right?
And it's only May.
I don't know what's going to happen between now and November.
I don't think much is going to change.
But if these people want people to be, if these parties want people to be more energized about their candidates, maybe they should just run better candidates.
I don't think it's that rocket science.
Stop Lying To Yourself 00:04:55
You, in the book, you write about your background.
You grew up pretty poor in a single wide trailer and spending most of your time running around through the woods and had very hardworking mom, had a more complicated relationship with your dad.
Did you ever think that that kid, right, who was learning how to catch a rattlesnake in his spare time, would be in the position now where it's like your magic words of I endorse this candidate would be so important, right, to political TV shows and pundits?
No, not on that aspect.
I always knew that I was, you know, here to do something.
I always felt that in my spirit.
I used to be in my grandmother's yard in Monks Corner, South Carolina, and the field, like there used to be a field in front of her yard that used to separate my grandmother's house and like my cousin Gloria's house.
And it's back when I was smaller, the field seemed so big, but it's actually not that big.
But I used to always be acting like I was on a stage and I used to be acting like, you know, I was performing, right?
And it was always like I was in a rock band.
And then, you know, as I got older, it was like I was a rapper.
So I always knew that I was, you know, supposed to be delivering some kind of message.
And this might sound kind of crazy to some people, but I remember meeting a medium back in 2006.
And, you know, he said to me, he goes, you know, he was just talking to me and he said, you know, you're going to achieve a lot of your goals relatively easy, but I just want you to know that, you know, when you get the way you're supposed to go, you're here to deliver a message.
And that same medium told me that he saw like a microphone in my future and he was talking about radio and he said he was naming different radio personalities.
And it was not spooky at the time, but it was just like, hmm, he even told me I was going to have a daughter.
And that was in 2006.
I'd have my first daughter until 2008.
So long story short, I always knew I ended up having four.
Long story short, I always knew that I was here to be on a platform of some sort, but I didn't know that it would be, I didn't know I would be Captain Sava Joe in an election.
You know, I think I read the book and I really enjoyed it.
And I think what makes you special is your extreme ability to be introspective, reflective about your life, to keep challenging yourself, to keep changing, keep growing.
And you're very, very honest about what you perceive as your own shortcomings, whether it was early on in your marriage, something you addressed, whether it was the life lessons you took from your dad and your uncle and your sort of growing up, which you realized as an adult weren't so great, or even right down to, we don't have to get into it, but like the size of certain man parts that you just read like Howard Sterns.
Put it out there, Charlemagne.
I have to say you're a brave man.
I don't know if you call it brave.
I just, I think that we lack self-awareness, man.
And I think that one of the main reasons that, you know, a lot of people just aren't being honest with themselves, which is why the book is called Get Honest or Die a Line, is because it's so easy to be real with other people, but it's so hard to be real with yourself.
And, you know, they have all of these cliche terms.
Like, I keep it real, but usually the people who keep it real can only do that with others.
But man, when that mirror gets in front of them, it's very hard for them to have those like super honest conversations with themselves.
And my whole life, that's what I've, you know, challenged myself to be just honest.
Because, you know, my dad used to always tell me something when I was young.
He was like, man, when you lie to me, you're not lying to me.
You lying to yourself.
And that's something that just always stuck with me.
And you can kind of tell the people who are lying to their self in our society.
And I went away on a spiritual retreat, you know, earlier this year, me and my wife.
And one of the things that came up for me during that time away was stop lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lies to other people.
And that's literally what I wrote this book for.
I wrote this book for people to stop lying to themselves and stop volunteering those lies to other people.
All right.
I've got to read you this because my fourth grade boy was at an end of year ceremony just two days ago.
And my husband and I went and their fourth grade teacher read to this class of boys the following poem, which speaks exactly to what you're saying.
I cried.
I'm not going to lie.
You're a dad.
You're going to be able to relate.
But it's called That Guy in the Glass.
It's by Dale Wimbrow and it goes as follows.
When you get what you want in your struggle for self and the world makes you king for a day, then go to the mirror and look at yourself and see what that guy has to say.
For it isn't your mother, brother, or friends whose judgment you must pass.
The person whose verdict counts most in your life is the one staring back at the glass.
You can go down the pathway of years receiving pats on the back as you pass, but your final reward will be heartache and tears if you cheated that guy in the glass.
That's exactly what you're saying.
Anxiety And Pharmaceutical Remedies 00:12:21
That's the theme of your book in some ways.
Powerful words.
Whoever that was who wrote that, they remixed Michael Jackson, man in the mirror.
I just want you to know I'm talking about the man in the mirror.
Man in the mirror.
Yeah.
Asking him to change his way.
That's all that is.
But whoever wrote that is absolutely positively true.
The hardest thing for us to do is look in the mirror every day and be honest with ourselves.
And I literally challenge myself every day.
I wake up every day.
And before I'm honest with anybody else, before I'm telling anybody else about what I think they may be doing wrong, or if I give them compliments on what they're doing right, I talk to myself first.
Like, you know, that inner voice in your head, the things you tell yourself are really the most important.
And that's what I do every morning.
It's it's something you've worked at, you've cultivated.
I, you talk in the book about the therapy you've been through all the way down to, I don't know if this, this didn't exactly come from your therapist, but you have a spiritual guru in your life as well.
And the tree hugging, you're a tree hugger, but not exactly in the Green New Deal sense, in a different kind of way.
Yeah.
It's a chapter called Tree Hug the Block.
And, you know, I just talk about the benefits of, you know, doing things like forest bathing, you know, walking around in your yard with your shoes off and your socks off and just doing grounding exercises, you know, going up to trees, putting both hands on the trees, putting your forehead on the tree, taking a few deep breaths, you know, saying a prayer.
You know, sometimes, you know, just sitting shirtless with your back to the tree.
You know, me and one of my spiritual advisors, her name is Jadi Alba, we laugh because, you know, she always says, you know, lay down in the ground, face, face down, ass up, right?
And just let the, let the earth, just feel the earth.
And man, you'd be surprised how when you're stressed out or if, you know, you're, you know, battling like a bout of depression or your anxiety levels are high, you'd be surprised how that just brings you right back to center.
And, you know, we used to laugh, you know, back in the day at the people who used to consider themselves, you know, tree huggers.
You'd be like, oh, man, they just high.
Everything, everything is great when you're high.
And guess what?
Megan, they're right.
You know, when you high, you walking around doing some grounding in the backyard, or even when you're not high, it really does feel great.
And it really does bring you back to center in a real way.
I like the beach too.
I like walking, you know, barefoot on the beach.
You know, I would hope I'm, I would hope the only time you're walking on the beach is barefoot, but walking on the beach barefoot, going in the ocean, you know, you know, being in the ocean, looking right up at the sun, saying a prayer directly from the water to the sun, man, all of that brings you back to center in such real ways.
I know you say in the book, if you're feeling self-conscious about hugging a tree, of actually hugging a tree, putting your face up against the tree, start small, maybe just sit with your back up against the tree so people don't think you're crazy, but you could kind of graduate to a full five-minute hug of a tree and it actually could be transformative.
That's such a beautiful way of dealing with anxiety, which you admit you have dealt with for years, versus just taking a pill, which is what the medical community will push on you these days.
Oh, absolutely.
You know, I'm not against, you know, anybody who needs medication, you know, for certain things, but, you know, personally, I've never had to use it.
I remember my father, even when I was young, when they were trying to put me on like Riddling as a child, you know, my father was like, no, you know, back then, though, it wasn't, you know, he don't need Riddling because he don't need to just be on medication.
It was, he don't need no Riddling.
He needs his ass beat, right?
So, but even now, it's like, I don't, we don't, we don't necessarily, medicine shouldn't be the first option all the time.
You know, I feel like, you know, this is a glorious earth that we, that we're on.
And like, there's a lot of natural remedies and holistic remedies that we could be, you know, tapping into that bring us those same results.
A lot of those things in the pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical world do.
So how did you make it so big in radio and now podcasting too with the kind of anxiety that you suffer from?
And as you were growing up, you talk about how it was very much social anxiety.
How did you get over that?
How do you deal with that to this day?
That's the strangest thing about anxiety, right?
Like anxiety creeps up on you at weird times.
It's those times when you're just literally laying on your couch at home.
And then all of a sudden you get up and you start checking to see if all the doors are locked, right?
Or, you know, like you can be laying on the couch and there's a ceiling fan going and you just start thinking to yourself, what if that ceiling fan, you know, flies off and like cuts my head off, like it's just the stupidest, strangest things?
But when it comes to like getting in front of a microphone and talking to millions of people yes, there's a level of anxiety there, but for some reason it doesn't give you, you know, those same panic attacks of just going through regular everyday life.
I have no idea why I'm able to get in front of a microphone and, you know, talk to millions of people effortlessly, but I can't be in a party with 50 people without wanting to go home, you know, because I'm already having a panic attack because I'm thinking about, you know, the worst possible scenarios happening.
I am too, but it's usually that guy over there is going to come over here and talk to me.
It's not about the ceiling fans.
Oh, God.
I don't want to do it.
That is actually another reason I wrote this book.
That's why I think small talk sucks, because I don't think they understand when you're a person who's already dealing with anxiety and you've had to say prayers and do breathing exercises and put your beads on, right?
And all your other things just to show up in the world.
The last thing I want to do is have a meaningless conversation with a stranger.
Like at least come into my life or come up to me and bring me a conversation of value that may ease, you know, whatever it is I got going on.
I tell a story in the book about, I tell a story in the book, how I was at the airport and, you know, I'm a person who's been attacked in the street a couple of times, right?
Like right here, right here in New York City, you know, just for things that I've said on the radio, like, you know, back in the day, though, not anything recently, but like over a decade ago.
And, but I'm still, you still have that PTSD from things like that.
So I'm at the airport and this guy comes up to me and he's trying to talk, but he's like not really saying anything.
So automatically I'm on alert.
And then he finally goes, he's stuttering and he's telling me that he has a speech impediment.
So he's asking me to bear with him while he gets out what it is he's trying to get out.
He cut the small talk, you know, and he told me exactly what it was from the beginning.
So that one little moment eases my anxiety and lets me know, okay, this person isn't a foe.
He's not, he's not any type of opposition in any way, shape or form.
He just has something he wants to say to me and it's hard for him to get out.
And if that, if that individual who has a speech impediment can let me know that we can do the same thing.
We should be able to tell people, hey, man, I don't want to talk about that right now.
And if we directly linked social anxiety to the hatred of small talk, I have to say, I too hate small talk and have a fair amount of social anxiety, not anxiety in the regular lane, but social anxiety.
And I had never linked the two.
This is actually an insightful thought that one is causing the other because I, like you, am much more comfortable when the conversation is substantive.
Yes.
And you think about it, right?
It's a link because when somebody says, okay, Megan Kelly, you have to be this place at seven o'clock at night.
You're already dreading all the things you know you have to do in order to get to this place.
And if you got something to do the next day, you're like, I'm going at seven.
I'm going to be out by eight.
I want to be back home in my bed by nine o'clock.
And I hope when you get there, you're thinking about all the conversations people want to have with you.
You're thinking about, you know, what people are going to try to get from you.
Cause a lot of a lot of it is people just trying to take from your energy at these places.
It's not a lot of pouring into you when you go to these events.
So stuff like that, man.
It's like, yes, it does cause a lot of a lot of social anxiety.
And it's another reason why I keep telling people small talk sucks.
I do not like it in any way, shape or form.
And it's not even just about the small chit chat either, Megan.
It's about how we make these micros macros nowadays.
So most of the things these people are coming to talk to you about, they're not big issues, but folks act like they're the biggest issues in the world.
And so when the actual big issues come across our desk, we don't even know how to talk about them, you know, if we even choose to talk about them at all.
And you sound right now to me like Jocko Willink, the badass Navy SEAL, who's like the godfather of all Navy SEALs, who he came on the show and I was talking to him about all the stuff we argue about all the day, every day, all the day.
And he was like, just don't give it any energy whatsoever.
You know, you just, the way you solve these things, you just, you don't even talk about them.
You don't, I'm like, well, there goes my whole career.
I mean, that's kind of what I'm in the business of doing.
No, I don't think you talk about small talk.
I think I think that there's a lot of macro issues that you discuss that we both discuss, you know, and it's not that you're not going to ever have any small talk.
I just want us to cut down on it.
And I want us to get into, you know, just talking about the big issues, talking about the macro issues, the things that actually matter, the things that actually, you know, impact us as a society.
And I think social media does a horrible job, you know, at discussing the macros.
I think social media is the place where micros go to become macros.
And it's these small issues that really don't even matter.
And you know how you know they don't matter?
Because the conversation about them doesn't even last.
It'll last 12 hours at best.
Give it 24, 24 hour news cycle is scratching it nowadays.
If something lasts 24 hours, I'm shocked.
There's a lot of good advice in here for young people who, and you make fun of yourself.
And I could relate to this too, about how every generation is like, this next generation sucks.
They're lazy back in my day, you know, barefoot to school, both ways, snow.
But you do raise the point of like telling younger people today, and you have a lot of fans who are young in your audience, you're not entitled to anything.
You should bring a fair amount of humility to your next job.
It's hard work and elbows, Greece, that are going to get you ahead and not a sitting around thinking, why is life so unfair?
That's right.
Yeah, the more things change, you know, the more they stay the same.
So, you know, as we live in this society where everything looks like it's easier than what it actually is because of social media, like, you know, my guy, you know, Pastor Stephen Furtick, he's actually from my hometown, Moscone, South Carolina.
He has this quote where he says, social media is literally everybody is everybody's highlight reel.
So you're comparing your real life.
You're comparing the process that you're, you know, going through in life to somebody else's highlight reel.
And because of that highlight reel that people are constantly posting, we feel like we can just skip steps.
We feel like we can just, you know, skip the process.
Like everything, you know, takes time.
Like there's no such thing as, you know, getting pregnant and then having the baby the next day.
You know, you get pregnant and you carry that baby for nine months for a reason.
There's this, there's, there's different trimesters for a reason.
It's a process.
You know, there's a process of coals going to diamonds, right?
Like it's all a process.
And this generation, you know, feels like they can just skip the process only because of social media, because it's so easy to walk down the street and see somebody else's phantom and take a picture in front of it, if that's your thing, and then post it.
And then everybody will be putting 100 emojis in your comments.
Like you're out here doing the, you're out here winning.
It's not even your car.
So it's like, I just try to tell kids, I try to tell the younger generation, you can't escape the process and you got to have patience.
Patience is another lost art nowadays because of social media, because you have all of these people lying about where they are in life.
Patience In A Rushed World 00:04:22
Right.
And how they got there.
And it's definitely, You write in the book about how you had a time in which you were dealing, doing drugs and I think dealing drugs.
And that's sort of the birth of your stage name.
A lot of our audience was asking in the comments before you came on, what is Charlemagne the God?
And there actually is a very interesting explanation behind it.
Can you tell us?
Yeah, I come from a very small town in Monks Corner, South Carolina.
The population now is probably like 10,000, 11,000 people.
But when I was growing up, it was like. six to seven thousand.
So like everybody knew each other.
And so when I did get into, you know, selling, selling crack, like I would wear a hoodie and I would tell people my name was Charles because I knew that if I told them my name, Lenard, right, they would be like, oh, that's Larry's son.
Or, oh, that's, that's Julie's son.
And it was so funny, Megan, that the people who were buying crack would go tell my parents that I was selling it.
Okay.
But they wouldn't tell my parents that they were buying it, you know, even though people knew.
So Charles was just like a moniker that I started running with.
And that I was in night school because I got kicked out of two high schools.
I got kicked out of Berkeley high school and then I got kicked out of scrap of high school.
So I was in night school reading a history book and I saw the Roman emperor Charlemagne and Charlemagne was French for Charles the Great.
And he went about spreading religion and education.
And I literally just said to myself, that is a cool name.
I already called myself Charles.
So I'm going to just start calling myself Charlemagne.
And, you know, back then I used to rap.
So it was a cool rap name.
And I always said it would look good on a marquee or on the front of a book.
And I think I was right.
And it does.
It does.
And where did the God come from?
My husband Doug has resolved to start using that after many phrases after having seen me reading your book.
I studied the 5% teachings, you know, and in the 5% teachings, they teach that, you know, God is a Greek word derived from the Aramic words, Guma Azdaba, which means wisdom, strength, and beauty.
And the first letter of each word was used by Greek students when they would identify their Egyptian teachers.
And so it kind of really doesn't make any sense because Charlemagne is Charles the Great, and then it's the God.
So it's Charles the Great, the God.
But yo, man, I was 17 and smoking a lot of wood back then.
But you know what?
It also makes sense to me because the book does spend some time on positive messaging and how you talk about the astronaut theory and how when we're raising our kids, we can't, we don't want to overcorrect so much against everybody gets a trophy society that we veer into cynicism with our kids.
Like, no, I mean, let's be realistic.
You're not actually going to the NFL.
Maybe you should channel your energies a different way.
You're very much against that.
I think the positive uplifting name for yourself is totally in line with now I know how you parent your own daughters.
Absolutely.
And, you know, I got, I got four daughters.
And when they ask me, when they tell me they want to do things, I don't shoot it down because I had older people in my life who did that to me.
I tell a story in one of my first books, because this is my third book, but I tell a story in my first book, Black Privilege, about how I had a cousin aunt.
She was like my mom's, my mom's cousin, but she was also like an aunt to me as well.
And I remember just talking about all of these big plans I had and all of these things I wanted to do in my life.
And I remember she said to me, don't set your goals so high.
You know, don't set your goals so high, because if you don't reach them, you're going to be disappointed.
And I paused for a second and I said, that is the stupidest shit I ever heard in my life.
Like, why would you ever tell a child that?
Like, I wasn't even a child.
I was like, I don't know, 19, 20, but I was like, why would you ever tell anybody that?
So my thing with my kids, when they want to do something, yo, let's try it out.
Like, I got one of my daughters recently started soccer and, you know, she, she liked it at first.
Past couple of practices, she don't want to go.
Why?
She said, it's too hot out.
I don't want to be out there in that heat.
I'm not going to force her to go out there and do the soccer if she doesn't want to.
Because if you genuinely love something, you're going to want to do it regardless, right?
That's how I was with radio.
It didn't matter that I wasn't making any money.
I've been doing radio 26 years.
I didn't start making money really, really, in radio until probably my, I don't know, 10th, 12th year in radio.
Systemic Racism And Patriotism 00:16:09
So it took a long time.
You know, I started doing radio in 1998.
I didn't start really making money until probably 2010, right?
So, but I loved it.
So that thing that you love to do that is probably going to change your life is that thing that you're going to do for free.
So if she's, if she doesn't want to go do soccer, I'm not, I'm not going to press her to do it.
Yeah, there's no, I'll give her an opportunity to that at this point in your life.
So I want to ask you this, because you're very positive in your messaging.
You're real, but you're positive in your messaging.
And then there was a chapter I wanted to ask you about, which is 16.
This wasn't you.
It was Aaron Magruder, who was the man behind the Boondocks comic strip.
And it was the only chapter I was like, wow, well, this is not positive.
This is, this is some stark stuff.
And it's about death of a nation.
Yeah.
It's about race in America.
And it's about, you know, us allegedly being a white supremacist country and Republicans don't do shit for poor white people, but they still vote Republican and they do it because if they were to vote Democrat, the N-word would benefit.
It's got a lot of incendiary thoughts on how evil Republicans are because they really just exist to keep the black man down.
And it's not you, but you have put it in your book by this guy, Aaron Magruder.
So what are your feelings on that?
I think Aaron is expressing an emotion and feelings and saying things that a lot of people feel.
You know, a lot of people in the Black community absolutely positively feel like that, but it's not even, you know, just Republicans.
I just feel like, you know, government in general.
I think that there's been a lot of systemic things that have been done, you know, to black people in this country, to put, you know, black people in certain positions in this country.
And there hasn't been enough systemic things done, you know, to get us out.
You know, I think one of the, you know, main critiques of the Democratic Party is that, you know, they are supposed to be the party that represents us and supports us.
And, you know, people don't feel like they have fought hard enough for black people.
That's why every presidential election cycle, we're back having these same conversations about Democrats going out there and earning the black vote.
Like if Democrats had done historically what they say they are going to do for black people, you know, they wouldn't be in this position every four years where they're out here trying to push me to indoors.
What do you think that is?
Like, what do you think that is?
Because I know there's a divide between the parties and some factions of the country that, you know, the Democrats, and we keep hearing them saying things that we heard Biden at the Morehouse College the other day saying with a very dark message about this country, that the country doesn't love you back as a young black graduate and talking in very negative terms about what their futures look like.
And you contrast that just to what Barack Obama said in front of the same audience, you know, eight years ago.
It was very uplifting and also empowering.
Like you can do it.
You can make a difference in this great country.
You have nothing but blue sky ahead of you.
Very different, stark messages.
What's in chapter 16 sounds more like Biden?
So how do you see it?
More like Biden, more like Obama?
Well, I think I would like to see it more like President Obama.
And the reason I would like to see it more like President Obama, because as he said, these are his words, the audacity of hope.
Like you have to be optimistic.
Like I'm optimistic because I was raised on a dirt road and, you know, Monks Corner, South Carolina.
My mother was an English teacher.
The most she ever made, you know, was $30,000 a year at one point.
You know, my father was a great guy, you know, who had a lot of flaws, right?
And he was a construction worker, but he also had his own mental health issues.
And he dealt with substance abuse.
And I'm not supposed to come, you know, out of out of that circumstance.
But because, you know, I was able to come out of that circumstance and just because of, you know, other conversations I've seen from people who come from environments like mine, I have to have the audacity of hope.
I have to have, you know, optimism, but I also have to deal with reality too.
And it's also, it's just interesting that, you know, President Biden would go to Morehouse and, you know, make those statements when a lot of those issues, those problems, he's contributed to, you know, whether it was, you know, the 86 mandatory minimum sentencing, you know, whether it was the 88 crack laws, the 94 crime bill.
There's a lot of things that he contributed to in regards to keeping the black man down, right?
So it's just interesting that he would go to Morehouse and talk like that.
You're the president of the United States of America.
You are the person that we are looking to at least, if not change some of those things, speak to changing some of those things because you contributed to so much of that.
What do you think?
Tim Scott, he's from South Carolina, still reportedly on the short list toward becoming Trump's VP.
He says he firmly believes America is not a racist country, a belief I share.
Do you?
No, I highly disagree with that.
I mean, of course there's systemic racism in this country.
I don't believe every single white person in America is racist, but there has been systemic racism.
Like, yes, 100%.
Everything from slavery to Jim Crow laws to redlining to the war on drugs.
Like, yes, like the act, to act like there is not systemic racism in this country is still today, 2024.
I mean, it's like to think that Democrats who run the education system and largely the criminal justice system and so many, so much of government today who pride themselves on being DEI and anti-racist and all that, that they're running these massive racist organizations would seem a stretch to even some of them.
Well, you have to have these DEI programs because of systemic racism.
So things like that tell you that these systemic racism still exists because you still have to have programs like that to ensure that there's diversity, to ensure that there's equity, to ensure that there's inclusion.
So yes, systemic racism absolutely still exists in America.
It's not something, it's something that we can dismantle, but we have to want to dismantle it.
And the only way we're going to dismantle it is if we first acknowledge that it exists.
Like as I say, you know, in the book, and it's a great quote, you just can't heal what you don't reveal.
I don't think any of us do ourselves any favors by acting like these things don't exist.
You know, I mean, I think the difference between where you are and where I am is I acknowledge everything you said about this country and its history.
You know, we had a couple rough 200 years from the foundation with slavery and then through the Jim Crow laws, but then we got to a place where we passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and we had a way, a revolution in the country to start looking at this differently.
And when I grew up in, you know, the 80s and the 90s, race relations had vastly improved.
We were hanging out with one another, not thinking about skin color all the time.
We actually instituted affirmative action programs, which were upheld under law, even though they're not totally consistent with our constitution.
But we did all of that because we understood the history.
And now we're in this place where it seems to be flipping to what Kendi says, which is anti-white racism.
That's fine.
That's how we're going to remedy the remnants that are still left over the past.
And I think that's causing more racial division.
Am I wrong?
I think social media makes us think that, you know, certain things, I think social media amplifies certain things on purpose.
And we have to be very careful about that because we don't even know if a lot of these conversations are real on social media.
Like, you know, I still believe that Coyantel Pro is alive and well.
And I think that a lot of times these conversations that happen on social media really just happen to keep us all having a whole lot of small talk, having a whole lot of small talk about, you know, foolishness and nonsense, like the anti-white racism.
Like what is that?
You would have to tell me what that is.
Like what is what Kendi's pushing?
What Kendi says is the answer to past discrimination is future discrimination and present discrimination against those who perpetrated it, notwithstanding the fact that we had nothing to do with what happened in the 1860s.
We weren't around.
It wasn't us.
It wasn't most of our ancestors.
And most of us have a completely open-minded attitude toward our black and brown friends and would never do anything to hurt them or see them as less than.
And we don't want us or our children being punished because of sins of the father, grandfather, great-great, whoever.
Got you.
Yeah, I can't speak for all black people because all black people aren't monolithic.
But, you know, all the black people that I know, they just want equality.
You know, they want to be, they, they, they want to be treated, you know, fairly.
They don't want to, you know, walk outside and have, you know, a police officer harass them just because of the color, the color of their skin.
You know, they don't want to be, you know, denied a job or, you know, a place to stay, you know, just because of the color of their skin.
We don't want to be black supremacists.
We don't want to, we don't want to, you know, be what, you know, white supremacists were to black people.
Like that's not, at least the black people I know, that's not what we're after in any way, shape or form.
Well, I think the messaging of the book on empowerment and possibilities and getting honest, as it's called, getting honest or dying lying, makes a ton of sense.
And I hope we can continue this conversation.
I know you got to run, but I have so much more I want to talk to you about.
So please come back.
I mean, I got like 10 more minutes if you want to talk.
Oh, you do?
Oh, great.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
No, let's let's keep it rolling then.
All right.
So let's can we spend a minute on politics?
Because I am interested in your thoughts on it.
Because I know you're not a fan of Trump.
And I think that you think he's racist, but you tell me because I look at Biden's history of comments and I'm like, oh my Lord, including to you, that thing about if you're not going to vote for me, you ain't black.
That's listed on the on the tally of the racist or racially insensitive things he said.
You know, what's the more interesting conversation for me?
And this is, I'm glad you brought that up in regard to Trump.
Why does nobody ever talk about him being unpatriotic?
Like not like not being patriotic.
And what I mean by that is if he says he wants to suspend the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election, or his lawyers were in court and his lawyers were like, well, he never agreed to support the Constitution or we saw him attempt to lead a lead an attempted coup of this country.
Like there's, that's just unconstitutional.
Like, why does nobody ever say he's not a patriot?
Like, why does that discussion never come up?
Because when I think about it, when I think about how mad, you know, conservatives seem to get sometimes when they see people, you know, taking a knee, right?
At football games and they call that, you know, not being patriotic.
How come nobody ever says, you know, wanting to suspend, you know, the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election?
How come nobody ever says that's not patriotic?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there's no question.
I don't know what specific year you're referring to, but I've seen Trump truth social posts that speak to exactly what you are saying.
I don't know about in court, but he's suggested things like that.
I think Colorado.
But here's the thing.
So, and I don't defend Trump's behavior after January 6th at all.
I don't think he behaved well in any way, shape or form.
But I just think that there are bigger issues.
And I think if you're going to talk about actions that are extra constitutional, there are sins.
I mean, grave sins on both sides, but especially on Biden's side, you know, this, the end around he did on the Supreme Court on some of the COVID stuff on the rent abatement possibilities on now the student loans that he's not allowed to be doing, but he's trying to find a way to do it anyway, on trying to get Trump off the ballot so that voters can't vote for him on using the justice system for the first time in almost 250 years to go after a political opponent, all those things.
They don't make me say, yay, for all the stuff Trump did post-January 6th, but they even the playing field for me more where I'm like, I'm just going to vote on who I think is going to get the country in the best shape.
I think that's what most people are.
But, you know, even with what you said just now, it's kind of like the Spider-Man meme, right?
Because, you know, you can say those things about President Biden, but then you point to Donald Trump in January 6th.
You can also point to Donald Trump trying to find 11,000 more votes in Georgia.
And, you know, we always know voter suppression is a thing.
So it's just like, listen, man, I just don't believe in politicians, period.
And as I said earlier, anybody, anybody that wants me to, you know, endorse a politician at this point, then y'all have to put out some better candidates and put out some people that I believe in because I don't believe in any of them.
But to your point, I'm not sitting out the election in November, which is something that I would also like to just put on record.
I've never told anybody not to vote.
Now, I've had conversations with people and I've said, I understand why people don't want to, but I think that you should still get out there and vote for, you know, who you think can keep this country on course.
You know, like for me right now, I feel like I'm voting to preserve democracy because I've read Project 25.
I don't know how you feel about it, but Project 25, it's very terrifying to me.
And like I said, we've seen what Donald Trump has attempted to do to do on January 6th.
And hearing rhetoric like, I want to suspend the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election.
That's scary.
That's not the kind of America I want to live in.
Well, what do you think about Joe Biden bragging that he's doing ends around the Supreme Court, which is what he just said this week on this so-called student loan forgiveness, which essentially means the truckers listening to us right now are going to have to pay off the student loans of the rich college elites, something he was told by the Supreme Court he didn't have the power to do.
He's not a king.
And he's out there bragging that he's doing ends around them, notwithstanding rulings he's forced to follow.
Like that stuff too, is extra constitutional.
His refusal to enforce the border law, extra constitutional.
I mean, he could have been impeached for just what's happening along the southern border alone, not to mention him having classified documents and all the other laws that he has allegedly broken.
I look at him and I think he's got no moral high ground.
I don't think either one of you cannot talk about anybody standing on a moral high ground when Donald Trump is on the other side.
I don't think either one of them can talk about standing on moral high ground.
But you know, when it comes to doing things like the student loan debt, this might sound crazy, but I know this is why people like certain elected officials.
I feel like this is why some people like Trump.
I think people have no problem with you bending the rules or breaking the rules if there's a tangible benefit to it.
I think that, you know, a lot of people like Trump and they support Trump because they know Trump is willing to go hard for who he considers his base.
Now, you know, like Aaron said in Death of a Nation in my book, you know, he's convinced these poor, you know, white voters that he is for them, but their conditions aren't getting any better either, you know?
Why People Support Trump 00:04:44
And I have to say that the economy was much better under Trump and the voter poll after poll after poll reflects that.
Sure, but it never trickles down to the poor.
And I don't even understand why we keep acting like it does.
Like, you know, it's like you'll see people say the economy is great.
You know, stocks are up.
The people I'm talking about don't have no stocks.
The people I'm talking about that live in those rural areas and most corners, South Carolina, like where I'm from, they don't know nothing about no damn stock market.
They can't see past their bills.
All they're trying to do is keep some food on their table and a roof over their head.
My first, and we've got to do it.
But Charlie, under Biden, inflation has risen to plus 17%.
And then some is still hovering.
And these people are paying almost 30% more on certain things like foods and not to mention gas prices.
That's all under Joe Biden because of his spendthrift ways, because he's just dumping the people's money on all sorts of legislation, the so-called Inflation Reduction Act and the COVID relief that didn't have to go through when he first took over.
All those things have consequences.
Trump costs low.
Listen, the poor was still poor under Trump.
And Trump had Trump did convince a whole bunch of poor white people to go out there and vote for him, but their conditions have not changed.
I guarantee you, if you were the worst, I'm not saying Trump solved it.
Yes.
But they've changed for the worse under Joe Biden.
And the thing is, like, they think they worry about immigration, right?
Immigrants coming in with cheap labor, taking the jobs that were available to them.
That's all happening under Joe Biden in record numbers now.
Like they, the, the kitchen table issues that people vote on have gotten worse under Biden.
We're better under Trump.
There was a black focus group in what state was it, Steve?
Was it South Carolina?
No, was it?
It was Georgia.
That happened just the other day that MSNBC went down and conducted and they asked these black voters and we're talking about all voters, not just black but why would you vote for Trump?
Like what are you thinking?
Because they said they're going to?
Here's what they said.
We actually queued it up.
Do each of you support Donald Trump?
I do yes yes yes, for all three of you yes.
Has this trial changed your opinion, even caused you to waver or question that at all?
No, it's, um, actually caused me to support him more.
I just don't believe that's a coincidence that we have a trial happening in Atlanta.
Uh, we have one happening in New York.
So the question people are beginning to ask themselves, like I did, is like why now?
I've talked to many people who formerly identified as a Democrat they have changed their political persuasion to independent and they are looking forward to voting for Trump because now they find something in common with a political candidate at that level.
When you say they find commonality, what is that commonality?
They have felt persecuted by the system of American injustice and it's not a stretch for them to think that Trump may be a victim as well.
And there was more on it Charlemagne, where they said they think he'd be a stronger leader in dealing with some of our adversaries.
Yeah, I can see where they would feel that way about the strong Galita part.
I hate that whole conversation about black people are gravitating towards Trump because we've been persecuted by the system and he's being persecuted by that same system.
No, Donald Trump is a person who has reaped the benefits of that system.
He's a white male, rich, privileged man.
That is the reason that these trials have even taken so long to happen because they were even dragging their feet.
America has no system in place to even prosecute a person like Donald Trump.
They never thought that they would have to do that.
A former president of the United States of America, like they, they like, no.
So I disagree with all of that.
I disagree with all of that wholeheartedly.
Now, I do feel, if you asked me why people, you know, the black people, some black people I know have graduate, gravitated towards Trump.
You know, a lot of them talk about money, right?
Like they talk about the stimulus checks and they talk about, you know, the PPP loans, right?
And what I would tell them is, yeah, you got some extra money in your pocket, but at what cost?
At what cost?
Because think about the circumstances that happened in order for you to get that money in your pocket.
Millions of people had to die because of COVID, because of, you know, Donald Trump's poor planning in regard to the COVID, of him getting rid of, you know, pandemic teams.
It's a stretch to blame COVID on him.
I mean, I think we have the Chinese.
But he did get rid of the pandemic teams that were in place to kind of at least slow down, you know, things slow down.
The Cost Of Stimulus Checks 00:06:01
Oh, come on.
What do we have, Anthony Fauci?
I think that's a fair thing to blame on Trump because he should have turfed that guy out long before.
I'm just saying, I feel like I think Trump could have handled COVID better.
And I don't want to see, I do, I want more.
I do, I want more Americans to get more money in their pocket, but not at the expense of millions of people dying because of, let's just say, poor planning from the government.
And you have to say the administration that was in place at that time, because it was the Trump administration in place during that time.
All right.
Well, we'll put a pin in that one.
And going back over COVID is just a bummer in general, but there is a lot more to discuss.
You've got a busy day ahead promoting the book and I wish you all the best on it to be continued, I hope.
Yes.
Yes, that's why I like, but that's why I like these conversations.
That was not small talk.
We did not have small talk the last 10 minutes and we disagreed and didn't disrespect each other in no way, shape, or form.
We had conversation.
It wasn't confrontation.
Can't America learn something from this?
Maybe?
Yes.
Right on.
All right.
Don't forget, buy the book today.
It's called Get Honest or Die Lying by Charlemagne the God.
It's fascinating, as you can tell, is he?
All across the country, parents are fighting against the sexualization of their children in the schoolhouse.
It's absurd.
It keeps happening over and over and over.
Many school districts allow sexually explicit, and I do mean explicit, pornographic books disguised as children's books in school libraries.
Our next guest has played a unique and special and important role in trying to get these books removed from the school libraries.
You want to feed your kid this stuff off of Amazon and your own time.
That's up to you.
To me, it looks like child abuse, but we don't want it in our school libraries.
Something my next guest knows personally and has been working to stop.
He's also worked to promote Christianity in the process.
His speeches at school board meetings have gone viral.
That's how we first got to know him.
We saw some of these and we've played some here on this show.
He may be familiar to you.
John Amanchuku is a preacher and activist, and he's also the author of the new book, Hoodwinked, 10 Lies Americans Believe and the Truth That Will Set Them Free, which is out next week.
John, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me on, Megan.
I feel like I have arrived.
I feel like I'm at a Michael Jackson concert.
I'm shaking and trembling.
I'm about to fall out of my chair.
Someone, please come catch me.
Thank you so much.
The pleasure is all mine.
I feel like I'm meeting one of my heroes.
We've been watching you from afar, celebrating your moments, your viral moments.
No one does it quite like you do it.
And you have left school board after school board, flabbergasted and not knowing what to do.
It's brilliant.
So just give us a little bit on your background and how you got to be this fierce warrior against the nonsense we're seeing in the social lane right now in America.
Well, at the age of 19, I joined the Upper Room Church of God in Christ and met who is now my father-in-law and pastor and bishop, Bishop Patrick Lane Wooden Sr.
And back in the early 2000s, before these things became a pandemic as it relates to the pornographic materials that are in our schools, he was going out to school board meetings then, you know, early 2000s, talking about it.
And so I went to the right church and we're taught to have a biblical worldview and to see the world through the lenses of scripture.
We're called to engage the culture.
And when there are cultural issues that are taking place, the church is called to speak to it, not to hide in the tuck tail and run from it.
And so I've been a part of this ministry for the past 20 years.
And about two years ago, I heard word that there was a young lady at a school in Chatham County who was being demonized because of her Christian faith.
And so after hearing about that, I drove 45 minutes to a school board meeting, spoke and gave an address there, not knowing that that message would go viral and they'll land me as the number one voice speaking out at school board meetings nationally.
Yes.
I mean, honestly, if I see anything in our schools, I don't think I will because we chose non-woke schools.
I'm calling you first.
Like you could deliver the message like no one can.
Let's give the audience just a little flavor.
Let's play the montage of John reading from some of these pornographic books in front of these school boards so people can get a flavor.
13 Reasons Why by Jay Asher, currently in Storm Grove Middle School and Freshman Learning Center, page 265.
As if letting him finger me was going to cure all my problems.
But in the end, he doesn't serve.
He needs to be removed.
Page 127.
My clips swell up.
Thanks, Daddy.
Daddy, sick me, disgust me, but still he sexed me up.
Page 53, my pee-pee open hot stinky down my thighs, splatter, splatter.
I'm seven.
Seven, she said.
Look, you, look, you don't even bleed.
Virgin girls, bleed.
This needs to be removed tonight.
We have six men on this board.
And I want to say to these men that's on this board, if you don't remove this book, you're either a punk or a pervert.
If you leave it in here, you're a punk or a pervert.
Let's go ahead and go.
Black Genocide And Narrative Control 00:14:12
And the police are removing you from the microphone by that point.
It's incredible that they've been sicking the police on you to get you.
So offensive are the words you're reading from the books in our children's school libraries.
It's so true.
I've now spoken in 14 states, amassed nearly 300 million views.
I've been able to flip two school boards, one in Pennsylvania, one in New Jersey.
We were also able to strike down a transgender policy, policy 5756 in New Jersey.
We've been able to remove dozens of pornographic books all around the country.
But what I'm seeing is that the cops are being weaponized against me.
I went to Idaho to speak at a school board meeting there, and I sat in the school board meeting for nearly two hours.
And then I was called out by a sergeant.
He takes me outside and he tells me that I have been notified that you were coming.
And keep in mind, I live in Wake Forest, North Carolina.
That's thousands of miles away.
But he was informed that I was coming and that he was instructed to remove me from the podium if I were to get off of topic.
Keep in mind, he told me this before I spoke.
And what that was, was an attempt to scare me to see if I was going to be shaky and flaky and spineless like many of our preachers today who won't say anything about these issues because they are cowards.
You know, the Bible says in Revelation 21, 8, it gives us eight reasons why people will be thrown into the lake of fire.
And number one is for being a coward.
People are afraid to speak up because they don't want to be canceled.
They don't want to be deplatformed.
They don't want to be labeled.
They want to soft pedal conversations, even when bringing on people like Charlemagne the God, who is afraid to talk about the true history of the Democrat Party because he doesn't want to lose his lack of support.
Instead, he cowers and talks about how favorable Joe Biden is.
But at that school board, no.
Yes.
No, no.
I mean, I believe in his sincerity.
I don't think he's pandering.
He says a lot of things that his audience may not like.
He's pretty courageous, but I think he maybe hasn't seen films like, you know, we talked about the other day, What Killed Michael Brown.
He maybe hasn't read a lot of Shelby Steele or, you know, some of our leaders who have been so bold on some of these issues, right?
Like they're not promoted in schools.
And so they, I think a lot of people only have one view of race in America, and they blame Republicans and sometimes whites for all the ills of society as opposed to zeroing in on present day.
It's the Democrats.
Ask Thomas Sowell.
Exactly.
Charlemagne DeGod, once again, was very soft on that issue.
He didn't speak the truth.
He's very intelligent.
The guy is brilliant.
He is.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
That's true.
But he knows the history of the Democrat Party.
He knows that the Jim Crow laws that we had in this country were drafted by Democrats.
He knows that it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slavery going.
He knows that a lot of the red lining and a lot of the Jim Crow ideologies and principles that were held onto for so long, they were supported by the Democrat Party.
He knows that the economy under President Trump versus Joe Biden, it was much better under President Trump.
Inflation is nearly at an all-time high today.
He knows it's the Democrat Party that does not want black students to have school choice so that we can remain subservient to the Democrat Party.
He knows that, but because of racialized social constraint, he would much rather not tick off his community to keep favor with his community.
I can care less about having favor with my community.
I just want to be faithful to God.
There's a difference between being a nice Christian, a nice Christian, and a faithful Christian.
Nice Christians or people of faith.
You know, he says that he's the God and man can't be God.
I think he's Muslim.
I'm pretty sure he's Muslim.
Yeah, 5%.
That's just what he's saying.
He calls himself Charlemagne, the God, but at the end of the day, God does not suffer from social anxiety.
So you're not God.
There's only one God.
He's only saying that tongue in cheek.
I mean, it's an empowering thing.
I know a lot of people find that offensive.
You know, he's trying to, he had a rough child.
He's trying to lift himself up and give himself like a different persona.
And then he learned to live inside of that and find his voice.
And he needs to get to know the God of the Bible and to find a peace that surpasseth all understanding.
The contentment that comes from Jesus Christ.
We don't have to stay here.
Let me tell you this.
So, so wait, so let me tell you this.
The thing that I took issue with Charlemagne on, which I raised with him, is the condemnation of America today.
You know, there's no question that 200 years ago, the country had massive problems.
You know, we were not living up to our founding ideals.
But we are the only country in the history of the world to ever fight a war to end slavery.
Multiple countries had slavery and still have slavery.
We're the only ones to ever fight a war to end it.
And those beautiful founding ideals in our Constitution, in our Declaration of Independence, we ultimately got back to them and found a way past slavery and past ultimately the Jim Crow era and wrote non-discrimination right into our laws.
And I'll tell you something.
I want to play this.
It's a long soundbite.
It's like two minute soundbite.
But somebody who really said this beautifully, and he's been like a guru to me in terms of my own thoughts on race, has been Glenn Lowry, now is an economics professor at Brown, was at Harvard.
And he and John McWhorter have this show that if you want to hear sense talked about racial issues in a very honest way, you'd be well served to tune into them.
He came on our show early on.
We didn't even have video at the time.
And take a listen to the way he defended America against this charge, which was in the Times that day.
This is still 2020, not that far past George Floyd about how racist and white supremacist America is.
Listen.
The narrative about the American story, the American project, is fundamentally important.
Is this a good country?
Or is this a country that's founded on genocide and slavery?
The impact of Western settlement in the Western hemisphere, the European settlement in the West, on the native population was devastating.
There's not any doubt about that.
And the commerce in chattel, which was transatlantic slavery, was of a huge scale, mostly going to Caribbean and South America, but of a huge scale.
It was monumental in world history.
It was monumental in the foundation of the events that led to the American nation state.
There's not any doubt about that.
But the founding of the country, 1776, 1787, the creation of the United States of America was a world historic event in which the Enlightenment ideals got instantiated in government institutions.
And as a matter of fact, within a century, slavery was gone.
And you know what?
The people who had been African chattel became citizens of the United States of America, not equal citizens, not at first.
It took another century, but they became in the fullness of time equal citizens of the United States of America.
The United States of America fought fascism in the Pacific and fought fascism in Europe and saved the world.
American democracy became a beacon to quote unquote the free world.
We stood down under threat of nuclear annihilation, the horror, which was the union of Soviet socialist republics.
We have had the greatest transformation in the social status of the serfdom people, which was the what the emancipation effected and the creation of the Negro of the African American, probably that you could find anywhere in world history.
40 million strong, the richest people of African descent on the planet by far.
This is a question of narrative.
Are you going to look through the lens of the United States as a racist, genocidal, white supremacist, illegitimate force?
Are you going to see it for what it is?
Which in the last 300 years is the greatest force for human liberty on the planet.
That's worth fighting about.
That these people at the New York Times lay down to a latter-day woke ideology and debase their country is despicable.
Love him.
He's coming on in two weeks again.
But that's the first lie in your book that it's about the top 10 lies in America is that America is a racist nation.
That's why you're taking such issue with some of what Charlemagne was saying.
Exactly.
And it's necessary that we do.
360,000 Union soldiers gave their life to save this country and to end slavery.
And so that can't be glossed over or overlooked.
People claim that America is a racist nation.
They do that intentionally to keep blacks on the liberal plantation.
Blacks have become the cheap prostitutes of the Democrat Party.
They screw us and barely pay us, and we keep coming back for more.
What does that mean?
That means that people like Charlemagne suffer from Stockholm syndrome.
They are in love with their captor.
They are in love with the ones that seek to abuse them.
It's the Democrat Party that pushes genocide, black genocide upon us in particular.
And to celebrate Barack Hussein Obama, a man who didn't seek to do anything to reduce the abortion rate in America for all people, let alone for his people, is rather asinine.
That's a huge black genocide.
Exactly, by black genocide.
The abortion rate in this country, as it relates to black people, is stupendous.
There are nearly 20 million black people that have been aborted since the inception of Roe v. Wade in 1973.
Wow.
Blacks make up only 13% of the overall population in America.
Black men account for 5%, and black women account for 8%.
Of the black women who are ovulating, that's about 2% to 3%.
They account for nearly 40% of the overall abortions.
Before a person can experience racism or a racist nation, first and foremost, they have to be born.
And if you're not talking about the black genocide that's being propagated by the Democrat Party, you are doing nothing but wasting time.
And everyone wants to talk about racism.
Let's go there.
Margaret Sanger, in a letter to Dr. Clarence C.J. Gamble in 1939, said that she did not want the word to get out that she wanted to exterminate the Negro population.
And she said that she would use the Black charismatic preacher to assist her in doing so.
So who has she used?
Raphael Warnock, a black pastor who claims to be a pro-choice pastor.
There's no such thing as a pro-choice Christian or a pro-choice pastor.
The Bible is replete on what it says about the killing of the unborn and murder.
And we have this thing called the Ten Commandments.
Number six tells us thou shall not kill, thou shalt not murder.
When you look at men like Reverend Jesse Jackson, in 1977, you know, he went and spoke for the March for Life, and he was very, very much so pro-life.
You know, I'll quote him right here.
He says, human beings cannot give or create life by themselves.
It is really a gift from God.
Therefore, one does not have the right to take away through abortion that which he does not have the ability to give.
That sounds like a pro-life statement, an anti-abortion statement, an anti-abortion statement.
But, you know, when he campaigned to run for the office of presidency in 1984, he sold his community down a river to gain favor from white liberals so that he could be the president.
The same way that Reverend Al Sharpton has.
And many of these black personalities and talking heads, Whoopi Goldberg and lying Joy Reed, you know, who has a complex.
I've never met a real blonde black woman in the first place.
When you consider people like Big Fanny Willis, these individuals and Abrams, Stacey Abrams as well, these people are pro-abortion, but they don't understand that the infancy and the inception of the abortion industry was to kill people that look like them.
Well, how about Kamala Harris, John?
She can't get on a plane fast enough to go make her case when they're speaking in favor of abortion or the first sitting vice president to ever go to Planned Parenthood, speaking of Margaret Sanger.
And we're supposed to be like, yeah, you go, girl.
This is a moment of female empowerment or black empowerment.
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How again?
She's shucking and jiving.
She has bowed to the donkey and she's made a donkey out of herself by doing so.
Black people need to listen from the middle.
I'm sick and tired of people telling us that this nation is a racist nation while at the same time, you have black immigrants and brown immigrants and tan immigrants fighting and risking their life to get into this country.
I talk about this in my book, Hoodwink.
Go get a copy of it.
I talk about the fact that a Pew Research Center study was done in 2019 and it shows that there are 10, one in 10 people living in America are black immigrants.
Nearly 4.6 million black immigrants are in the U.S. today.
And by 2060, that number is going to balloon to 9.5 million.
Why are people trying to get into America if America is a racist nation?
I'll tell you why, because they want life.
They want liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
They want the blessedness of a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles.
They want to live in a nation that's a constitutional republic where they have true freedoms and liberties.
They want to live in a nation that is the apple of God's eye.
God has smiled upon this nation, but it's Marxists, it's Marxist atheists, it's communists who have crept into America and who seek to creep into the Black church as well and the church at large to convince us to shout death to America, hate America, hate Israel, but while at the same time screaming being that they're pro-Hamas and pro-Palestine.
It really makes no sense.
And so to your listeners out there and Black Americans, we have to listen from the middle and keep in mind that we should not support any politician that wants to support abortion laws.
We should not do that because it damages and kills us the most.
I've worked at abortion clinics in the Southeast trying to save babies.
I did that for almost 12 to 13 years.
And you would see a constant flow of black women coming to the abortion clinics.
Oftentimes, in my studies, I have found that nearly 65% to 70% of the overall women coming to the clinics that I went to and that I worked at for nearly 13 years, they were primarily black.
But nearly 70 to 80% of the people outside of the abortion clinic trying to save these black babies were white.
Wow.
White Republicans have done more to save black babies than the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, and BLM combined.
Those three organizations that I just mentioned, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, they all came out with that, you know, that fear-mongering speech and that talk and that rhetoric that, oh, because of the black maternal health crisis, black women are going to be unsafe and they're taking away your liberties and all of that junk.
Because at the end of the day, and Malcolm X tried to tell us that the white liberal hates Black Americans.
And so I'm giving this the just do that it needs.
I am saying what needs to be said, regardless of pigmentation and color.
And here's another thing that we can talk about.
Beyond just labeling America as a racist nation, they want to say that we are all victims.
Blacks are victims.
We're proverbial victims.
We can't make it in America.
You know, there was a time in this country where the black marriage rate rivaled that of whites from the 1890s up to the 1950s.
The black marriage rate rivaled that of whites.
But it wasn't.
There you have it.
Lyndon Johnson came along and brought along the great society.
And he said himself that he would have these Negroes, he said something else.
He would have these N-words voting for the Democrat Party for the next 200 years.
He found a creative way to remove the black man from the home and replace him with a $300 to $400 check.
Now, government has become God and daddy.
The Bible says if a man doesn't work, neither shall he eat.
But from the 1890s to the 1950s, Blacks were under great suppression and oppression in this country.
That is true.
But we fared better then than we do today.
Sexuality As Normalcy 00:12:01
Why?
Because we focused on faith, family, and education void of special interest.
We built our own school.
Consider Booker T. Washington.
The man lived through times of slavery.
He overcame a lot.
He overcame much injustice, but he died a millionaire.
How?
And so for any black man out there that says, I'm a black man, I can't make it, and all this junk, walking around with your pants around your knees, you know, you're probably not able to get employed because you haven't done the necessary work to study, to prepare yourself, to be accountable, and not to put the responsibility on the white man to do for you what you should be doing for yourself.
That is the message that needs to be heard.
Wow.
John, so, so well said.
Again, just for those of you who are listening, it's called Hoodwinked, and I'm going to try it again.
It's John Amanchukwu.
Amanchukwu.
Did I get it right, John, this time?
Perfect.
You always get it right.
I just want to make sure everybody knows what to look for when they go to Amazon to order it right now.
Hoodwinked.
You can see why we fell in love with John from afar, and he's even better up close talking about all these issues.
Let's go back for a second to what's happening in the schools because I do want to show a couple of other clips because they're gold.
This is one we played from May of 2023, and it happened in Asheville, North Carolina, where John went into the school board meeting there to take issue with a book that, I mean, ironically is called It's Perfectly Normal, and yet the contents were anything but.
Watch this.
This book here, it's called It's Perfectly Normal.
I'll read some of this for you.
It says, after a bit, a person's becomes moist and slippery, and the clitoris becomes hard.
After a bit, a person becomes erect, stiff, and larger.
Sometimes a bit of clear fluid that may contain some sperm comes out of the tip of the and makes it wet.
Can we, sir?
I'm sorry.
Was it something I said?
If you don't want to hear it in a school board meeting, why should children be able to check it out of the school system?
We have perverts that are perverting our kids.
And you all sit back smuggled in your chairs, but you don't want me to read it.
Why?
Does it bother you?
Ah, yes, yes, yes.
Does it, so you're saying that though it has made change, it's not all for a fact that you're saying you actually did manage to flip a couple school boards.
And while they may be dragging you out by the cops, which by the way, I'm told is the ultimate Karen move, right?
To call the cops on a black man when no crime has been committed.
They're listening at some level, at least the constituents are listening.
By all means, I hear from parents every day.
I have invites to school boards all around, school board meetings all around the country.
I have more opportunities than there are days on the calendar.
We are winning because we are showing the world what's really going on at these school board meetings and what's going on behind the scenes as it relates to these curriculum and materials that are being placed at the fingertips of our kids.
That book that you that I was reading from is right here.
You know, it's perfectly normal.
And it's not perfectly normal to mentally rape a child.
Hear that.
Some people call it grooming.
Some people call it indoctrination.
I call it mental rape because it assaults the soul, it stains the brain, and it robs children of their innocence.
They are forcibly removing their innocence.
And they are doing it with government support.
And when you consider even a book like this, I went to Missouri just two days ago.
This book is entitled Jack of Hearts and Other Parts.
This book gives you explicit details on how to give the best, what some call sloppy toppy, oral sex that a man could possibly have.
That's what this book is about.
All right.
It talks about a young man going into the rear end of another guy and go figure.
When he pulls out, there's theses all over the condom.
Then it tells you.
And this is in school libraries?
Oh, it's in school libraries all around, all around, all around the country.
It is.
It is.
It's everywhere.
It's in Wake County, North Carolina.
I talked about this book twice in North Carolina in what is called Wake County.
This book even teaches kids, you know, when you're giving oral sex, use both of your hands and don't just sit there and do nothing.
Use a finger and insert it into the person's rectum while you're giving oral sex.
This is trash.
This is trash.
That's what this is.
And this is the fruit of DEI.
That's what it is.
And I call it.
I want to ask you that.
So why, why, now you're getting to the crux of it.
Why?
Why is it important to, as you point out, these perverts to have these books in our children's schools?
And just for those listening, in case you're thinking it's just high schools, it's not.
We've seen case after case where it's in middle schools and sometimes even elementary.
So why?
You're so right.
Well, this book is perfectly normal.
It's for kids 10 and up.
You know, so that's elementary.
The why is this?
We have to make the homosexual community feel accepted.
So therefore, we have to allow kids who are not homosexual, who are not even thinking about oral sex and anal sex as a child.
We have to corrupt their existence in education just to make the LGBTQIA plus community feel welcomed, loved, seen, and heard.
That's why.
And we're getting ready to go into what is called Pride Month.
Yeah.
Where we will see a parade of individuals celebrating and gallivanting about and sharing over sexual deviancy.
And if you disagree with them, you're labeled as a homophobe.
I talked in my book about disagreement means that we can no longer talk.
You know, if you disagree with a person in their lifestyle, you can no longer have a conversation.
You know, and the reality is in life, at some point, you're going to be offended.
And being offended is not a sin.
It's reality.
People are going to disagree with you.
I don't think we should talk about heterosexual sex nor homosexual sex in the public school system.
Same thing.
This book right here.
This is not the place.
It's not.
This book right here is called Let's Talk About It.
Why do kids need to hear about how to insert a butt plug?
How is that going to help us on the EOG test score?
Does that increase your SAT?
It doesn't.
You know, how is that going to help us compete in a global economy?
Yes, right.
It's going to help raise up more children who will be proficient in science and technology and engineering and math.
It's not going to do it.
I can't even open this book.
And then you have this book.
It's called Queer, the ultimate LGBTQ guide for teens.
This book is in Wake County and all around the country as well.
And it teaches you how to properly sanitize objects that you insert into your body.
It also says to, you know, put it in the dishwasher.
Oh, God.
Be sure to let it cool down before you use it again.
Megan, this is trash.
Also written for dummies.
Like, who are these morons?
Like, Darwinism should take care of these people.
No book should intervene.
I agree with it, but I'm now labeled as the book banning pastor by right-wing watch.
They love to write about me and talk about me and say negative things about me because I view this as garbage.
It is garbage.
And I say this to men and women everywhere, that if you think that this kind of content is acceptable, you're either a punk or a pervert.
There is no in-between.
And I say that.
I said that same line in Midland, Texas.
And a school board member left the school board meeting, came outside and wanted to fight because I said that you're either a punk or a pervert if you keep the filth in the school system.
And my response was this, sir, I don't know if you heard what I said.
I said you're either a punk or a pervert if you keep the books in.
The question is, are you going to remove it?
I don't care about the snowflake emotions of these board members.
I can care less.
I care about the children first.
I want to do what's best for the kids to heck with the adults.
I'm in this for the children.
Who is going to put the children first?
And I talk about this in my book, Hoodwink.
Go get a copy of it.
And he told me, he said, you know what?
But you don't have to insult me.
You don't have to insult me.
I'm going to help remove the book.
I said, now listen, are you going to get it out tonight?
He said, I'm going to do everything I possibly can to remove this book.
And guess what?
He's not a punk or a pervert.
He's a protector because in less than 24 hours, the book was removed.
Wow.
And so, but it takes someone being willing to go toe to toe with these tyrants.
I was targeted in Sugarland, Texas.
I was followed.
Someone broke into my vehicle and stole my bag.
I lost my book bag.
I lost my laptop.
I guess they thought I had Hunter Biden's laptop in there.
I don't know why.
They took my bracelet and glasses.
And most of all, they took a Bible that I had kept for the past 18 years.
Who robbed a preacher of his Bible?
And I'm sure it was marked up and had all your favorite passages clipped.
So those are personal, very personal.
Very much so.
I had the Bible for 18 years.
I can almost tear up talking about it, you know.
But when I think about that, it reminds me that persecution will come if you do good works, right?
It's impossible for us to live righteous and not experience persecution.
But I'm willing to stand.
I'm willing to go toe to toe.
I'm planning on going to another 12 to 15 more school board meetings this year.
I'm launching a program to help raise up warriors to come alongside me.
And I say to your listeners, those of you who are on the fence, and even to the men who are cowards and won't speak up and won't say anything as women are being defrauded in our country and as fake, fake women, men trying to be women, are robbing them of their dignity.
Standing Against Persecution 00:11:00
At some point, you're going to have to speak up for our women.
And so I'm on a campaign to bring revival to America.
And Megan, we are winning.
We're turning the tide.
Even Bill Maher has reviewed my messages and videos.
And even he could see himself that, you know what?
Something is going wrong in this country.
And we need to speak out against what DEI truly means as it relates to putting filth in the public school system.
Wow.
John, you're a hero.
You're a brave guy and an important voice in this conversation.
I admire you and I thank you for everything you've been doing.
Again, for the audience, the book is called Hoodwinked, and it's by Pastor John Amanchuku.
And get it now, Hoodwinked, 10 Lies Americans Believe and the Truth That Will Set Them Free.
It's out next week.
Get it now to support John in all these efforts.
John, thank you.
All the best.
God bless you.
Thank you so much.
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Michelle in Pennsylvania.
Hi, what's on your mind?
Oh, I am so excited to be on this call with you, a long time listener, first time caller.
From the very, very blue mainline suburbs of Philadelphia where everybody's insane.
There seems to be, I love your guests.
They're amazing.
There seems to be like an especial hatred.
I have a the only thing better than one mother-in-law is two.
And I have a stepmother-in-law who's a retired Ivy League professor who is very convinced by the New York Times, by all the lies, but she has an especial hatred of moms for liberty and things they're like Nazis banning books.
And it never seems to stop.
So is your guest still on?
Like, where is he with Moms for Liberty?
How does he?
Oh, I'm sure he loves them.
There's no question he loves them.
You remember them doing battle with Scott Pelly with all of his lies on 60 Minutes about how they were book banners and this wasn't actually happening in the schools.
They're like, they took him on, right, went right in a lion's den.
There's no question in my mind.
John loves them.
So they keep doubling down and doubling down.
And now they've added, they keep trying to change the name of the DEI initiatives.
And now they've added the letter B. We're like in Sesame Street brought to you by the letter B, the letter B for belonging.
And they've changed it at our school too.
Now it's not DEI, not our current school, our old school got rid of DEI because it's been so targeted and stigmatized with good reason.
Now it's just belonging.
How can you be against belonging?
Yep.
Yep.
So every day I'm with him all the way.
We all need courage.
And they look at you like deer in headlights.
We have to memorize the facts in this book and keep the fight up.
I respect you so much.
Thank you so much, Megan.
You're doing Michelle.
I'm shocked that, you know, the wasps in the mainline of Pennsylvania, I'm shocked that they're buying into this nonsense.
They've got to reconsider and fast.
We'll get your mother-in-law eventually, the step and the real.
Michelle, thank you.
Okay, let's see.
Let's go to Felix in Connecticut, where I am right now.
Hi, Felix.
What's on your mind?
Hi, Megan.
Second time caller spoke to him.
I was going to love it.
I don't know if you remember.
But anyway, what is on my mind is when he had Bill Mara on, typical of all, when he said on certain issues, his go-to answer was, well, I'm not so sure about that.
I hadn't heard that, or I don't know that.
And it seemed at one point you were exasperated when you said, Bill, I used to be an attorney.
I deal in the truth.
This is what I do.
And it's like their go-to answer.
Oh, I didn't hear that.
Anytime you talk to a liberal, they're ill-informed on the issues.
It's just to try to even...
Thank you for that.
I feel like people who don't know me who, you know, say, oh, because Bill spoke, I think, at the 92nd Street Why the next night?
And apparently he brought me up and said something to the effect of he was surprised at how far right I've moved.
And I really think like I, it's not that I've moved right.
It's just that I'm committed to facts.
And the facts are as I said them.
You know, the cops were not killed on January 6th.
And we could go down the list.
But, you know, to people who really hate Trump, that sounds like you're like a Trump sycophant and they can't make that distinction very easily.
So yeah, I think that's where he was coming from.
Felix, thank you for calling.
Appreciate that.
All right, let's see.
Scott in South Carolina.
That's where Charlemagne's from.
What were your thoughts today, Scott?
Yes, being a 50-year citizen of South Carolina, listening to Charlemagne, apparently he needs some more education.
He needs some more looking into the truth as opposed to what he has been told is what has happened.
He needs to look in the truth.
Like, you know, old Sergeant Friday from Dragon, only the facts, nothing but the facts.
But then again, the balance of hearing John afterwards certainly stopped me from writing an email to you about the show and about Mr. Charlemagne.
Well, you know, I have to say, I appreciate, I love being in a position, Scott, where I can bring you different points of view.
And I never want the show to get to a place where you're only hearing your own worldview reflected back to you.
You've got a million options like that.
Like part of what's special about this show, I think, is we can get people from all different sides and we get to hear their worldview.
And as long as I can keep it respectful, they'll keep coming on.
You don't have to like them or agree with them.
But it's important, right?
Just to hear, this is what the other side feels and how they're coming at it.
And I think Charlemagne was sincere and in earnest.
We have to be careful of not doing what the left does with the, you just need to be educated, because isn't it so irritating when they do that to us?
I think he's educated.
If you read his book, he knows a lot about a lot.
He just has different opinions about it.
Well, exposing what they have to say on your show, I think, is enough for people to make their own decisions.
Yeah, I agree.
And it's good to keep it.
So once we hear what they have to say.
Right.
Then it's not just hearsay.
It's coming directly from their mouth.
Yeah.
He speaks to a totally different audience.
So his inputs may be different.
Anyway, Scott, thank you.
Let me go from South Carolina down to Georgia and Linda.
Hi, Linda.
What's on your mind?
Oh, hey, Megan, love the show.
I love the show.
Listen to it every day.
I was going to say about Bill Maher.
I listened to that.
I didn't really know that much about him because I don't follow his show.
But what I've, in my opinion, I found he was very disrespectful.
He was all over the place.
He totally had Trump derangement syndrome.
And, you know, I just, and he, I didn't like when he would, when you would say your opinion about something, he goes, oh, then, well, we just, we, we can't.
We can't be, you know, he'd almost stop and say, oh, we can't be friends then, or we can't do this because he's just like the left.
They, they don't want to hear anybody else's opinion.
They don't, they're not gracious enough to say, oh, okay, I can accept your opinion.
Here's mine.
I just kind of find him very irritating.
You know, well, he started the exchange by saying, you know, you can hate Trump, but you shouldn't demonize his voters.
You know, you shouldn't hate his supporters.
But I do think something switched for him when he realized I was ready to vote for Trump, that he like I got moved into a category of maybe like, okay, nutcase or someone I can't talk to or I disagree with.
But in the end, he got back.
Like, I think he, he does wrestle with his anger over Trump.
And in the end, you know, when we got off of Trump, we found some common ground and landed it in a good place.
And that's, that's the best you can do, right?
People are, you know, it's like people feel so passionately about politics and Trump in particular, you know, pro and anti.
So I was glad, you know, by the time it was all over, we, you know, behind the scenes, we shook hands, we had one of those, you know, polite hugs, posed for a picture together, and wished each other well.
So hopefully he meant it too.
Linda, thank you.
Thanks for watching and thanks for calling in.
All right, let's go to Dan in Indiana.
Hi, Dan.
What's on your mind?
Hi, Megan.
Love your show.
Listen to that interview with Bill Maher.
And I, when he said, I see the elephant, you're seeing the mouse.
And that was in the context of the election fraud and democracy in this country.
It's just so infuriating.
I don't know how you stayed in your seat, honestly.
I don't want to find common ground with a guy like Bill Barr.
He is an atheist.
I am a believer.
I believe in a creator.
So I see the elephant.
You and I see an elephant.
He sees the mouse.
You're Catholic.
You believe in a creator.
The other thing that really set me off, like was missive, but how many Republican Red State Secretary of State have tried to take Biden's name off the ballot?
Yeah.
How many?
Yeah, I know.
If you want to get down into the democracy, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got it.
Sorry, Dan.
We got to go because our serious XM time is ending, but agree.
I mean, that's talk about, you know, undermining democracy.
That was a shocking one.
Dan, thank you, all of you, for calling and listening.
God bless you.
And thank you so much.
Again, the Bill Maher interviewer aired this past Tuesday.
If you want to check it out on podcast or at youtube.com/slash Megan Kelly.
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