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	Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon.
	Last night on CNN, there was a debate between two of the last folks standing, Governor Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, while the frontrunner took center stage at a town hall over on Fox News.
	So they were in competition with one another.
	And we'll see how that did in the comparative ratings.
	Former President Donald Trump making news on several fronts.
	We're going to get to that.
	I have to say, he was very on.
	He was very together.
	You know, I've criticized him for moments out on that campaign trail where he seemed a little off.
	He keeps referring to President Obama, President Biden as President Obama, and other sort of snafus.
	But last night, sharp as a tack.
	Meantime, we say goodbye to Chris Christie.
	Farewell.
	Take care.
	Who dropped out last night, but not before a hot mic moment that added an extra layer of chaos to it all.
	We've got the perfect guests to discuss it all: Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and the man known to his minions as Comfortably Smug.
	Together, they are the hosts of Ruthless, the program you must be listening to on YouTube.
	Guys, welcome back.
	Hey, how are you, Megan?
	Great to be back.
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	All right.
	So, last night, I watched some of the debate and I switched back and forth to the Fox News town hall with Trump.
	I didn't even know there was a debate until my two co-moderators from the last debate, Eliana and Elizabeth, texted me saying, Are you watching this?
	I was like, Oh shit, I forgot there's a bit debate.
	I'm not gonna lie, it was, I found it kind of boring.
	I missed Vivek and Chris Christie.
	I did, because they stir things up, you know, it's like they kept it fiery.
	And it was a little bored.
	And just watching the two of them nitpick and argue, they were kind of annoying.
	I just didn't like the way I felt.
	It was just like, well, you, back and forth, back and forth, this antislife.com.
	Anyway, I didn't have a lot of tolerance for it.
	Then he showed over to Trump, and it was a very different experience.
	He was on.
	He was, he brought his A game.
	He was funny.
	He was magnanimous.
	He was sort of making fun where it was appropriate.
	And look, to be honest, Brett and Martha did not ask him a lot of tough questions.
	They had a couple.
	But so it was an easy forum for him to charm people.
	And the audience was full of Trump supporters and charm them.
	He did.
	So part of it, you know, guys, to me was like underscored the intelligence of Trump's decision to skip all the debates, where like the rest of the candidates will just be fighting with each other about each other, and he will be above it all being charming, dealing directly with the voters, not getting asked the toughest questions, and sailing his way to the nomination.
	So what did you guys think?
	Look, I think your overall explanation of what it is that you're experienced as a viewer is probably what the vast majority of Americans experienced as viewers, if they chose to view either of these things at all.
	Both Haley and DeSantis obviously would love the contrast to be able to do a town hall on Fox while their opponents are tearing each other apart.
	So, you know, clearly former President Trump had a huge advantage in terms of just what it all looked and felt like.
	I mean, he's talking about stuff he wants to talk about and doing it in a comfortable arena.
	Whereas, you know, these guys, they're in a blood sport battle at this point.
	But I do think, you know, the hype coming into it, I agree with you.
	It was almost like, oh, that's right.
	There was a debate tonight.
	I mean, all the other ones previously, there was some build to and there was some anticipation for.
	And this one, it didn't feel like.
	And I don't think it's just because the stage got smaller.
	It's that, boy, these arguments are pretty well litigated at this point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that's a good point.
	It feels like this primary has been going on for five years at this point.
	It does.
	And I think everyone has basically, all the candidates have had their opportunity to basically shape themselves as I'm the candidate of this, I'm the candidate of this.
	And you saw that on display last night, the debate between Haley and DeSantis, where, you know, they're essentially, like you said, making the same argument over and over.
	I just want, I tuned in specifically because I think it's a bit more unique of a situation than Trump has faced before where going into Iowa, essentially it's Trump and two people fighting to go one-on-one with him.
	In 2016, there were still, what, like 40 people going into Iowa?
	Same in the future.
	So, you know, if this field winnows even further, then I think things really get interesting.
	Well, yeah, I mean, that's, that's the thing.
	Smug, you're absolutely 100% right.
	The visual and the demonstration, if you're Nikki or you're Ron, yeah, you don't love that Trump got his solo town hall at the same time you were doing this.
	But who would have thought like before Iowa, we basically have the consensus beat.
	It's it's one of these two people who are going to go mano-mana with Donald Trump.
	So, I mean, you got to feel good that it's working out that way if you're in either of those two camps, because we're going to get some votes here really soon.
	And there's going to be some like actual truth to who that candidate is going to be.
	No question.
	Yeah.
	But as a spectator, I mean, I think all of us would be lying if we said we weren't disappointed that Donald Trump's not participating in these debates.
	I mean, he is very good.
	We all saw that play out in Technicolor in 2015.
	But you have heard it, Megan.
	We've heard this over and over from the Trump team, Susie Wiles and Chris La Cavita.
	They say we're running to win an election, not to entertain people.
	And that sort of discipline is something that is not entirely new.
	It's a little bit new in the Trump campaign.
	And so, and it's probably one of the secrets to their success this time around.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I couldn't agree more.
	So Chris Christie was not on the stage because he announced yesterday at five that he's dropping out.
	Here's a little bit of how that sounded in SOT 2.
	And it's clear to me tonight that there isn't a path for me to win the nomination, which is why I'm suspending my campaign tonight for President of the United States because I want to promise you this.
	I am going to make sure that in no way do I enable Donald Trump to ever be president of the United States again.
	And that's more important than my own personal ambition.
	So what's that about?
	I mean, first of all, Chris Christie was desperate to have a job with Trump and was very much in team Trump's camp until Trump kind of turned on him.
	So I like Chris Christie.
	I still think he's a good man.
	And I just, you know, his moral sanctimony for me is a little bit much because he was begging to work for Trump.
	If you don't think he would have taken a position as AG in the Trump administration, you haven't been paying attention.
	But Jared Kushner can't stand him because he put Jared Kushner's dad in prison when he was AG of New Jersey.
	Whatever.
	They all find sanctimony in the end.
	So he bails.
	And why did he bail?
	Because of New Hampshire, because how tight it is between Nikki and Trump?
	And the thought that if his 10 to 12% New Hampshire goes to Nikki, she could actually take Trump out.
	Well, look, I give Christie a lot of credit here because before this campaign started, he came on Ruthless a couple of times.
	We had an opportunity to talk to him on and off air about why he would consider running for president, knowing sort of the ideological makeup of the electorate, knowing it would be a tough road to hoe for him.
	And what he said was, I don't think anybody's going to draw the necessary contrast with this president in a primary.
	And I think that's my role.
	And he said almost word for word, what he said last night, that he doesn't want to enable another president, another president Trump.
	So at the end of it, clearly that's where his campaign was in taking the 10 to 12% New Hampshire in particular.
	His demographic of voters are people who would vote for almost anybody, I think, other than former President Trump.
	So where they scatter, I don't know.
	And I know he had some things to say about that too.
	But if there is a legitimately close race, which there appears to be now eight, nine polls in New Hampshire showing a single digit race between Nikki Haley and the former president, and he's taken 10, 12% off the top of that, he would be enabling a former President Trump if he didn't step aside, which I think, look, it's logical.
	You know, ego gets in the way of candidates that are running for president all the time, but it really didn't hear for Chris Christie.
	And for that, I give him credit for getting in and getting out in the exact same terms.
	Yeah, I mean, perfectly.
	But before you start to feel all warm and fuzzy about Chris Christie and his like, he's helping lay the path for Nikki Haley to overcome big bad Trump.
	Listen to the leaked audio.
	This was the hot mic moment where he was discussing.
	I guess this was right before he made his announcement and he got caught on a mic talking to reporters about what he was about to do and how he saw the landscape.
	And here's that and Sat one.
	Yeah, I mean, look, she spent 68 million so far.
	She's on TV.
	Spent 68 million so far.
	59 million by DeSantis.
	And we spent 12.
	I mean, who's punching above their weight and who's getting a return on their investment, you know?
	And she's going to get smoked.
	And you and I both know it.
	She's not up to this.
	She hasn't even been.
	She's still 20 points behind Trump in New Hampshire, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he's going to, he's still going to carry out it, right?
	Yes.
	Oh, he's, I thought, you know, I talked to DeSantis called me.
	Petrified that I was.
	He's probably getting out of half of Iowa.
	And you're like, keep going.
	What happened to the people?
	Right?
	I have to assume that the rest of that sentence is petrified that I was going to endorse Nikki, you know, and that, yeah.
	And then 3% he still has in Iowa would likely migrate towards her.
	And then he might be in a position where he comes in third in Iowa.
	And that's a real tough look for a guy who's invested so much in this state.
	You know, I like Chris too, but the idea that Nikki's going to get smoked by Trump and she's trailing him, she's spent all this money.
	Well, yeah, I mean, she's been running a campaign in multiple states.
	Like Chris has been essentially running a one state primary in New Hampshire.
	And he's, and he did a good job.
	You know, I mean, like, he had the polling in the state to get him on the debate stage numerous times.
	He made the argument he wanted to make.
	But yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe, maybe Nikki will lose to Trump.
	Maybe she has a 10% chance.
	Well, I mean, Chris doesn't have a 10% chance.
	Like at the end of the day, that's the truth.
	I don't know if you saw this.
	President Trump actually reacted to this at his town hall last night.
	And he was like, I'm starting to like Chris a lot more.
	We have that.
	We do.
	We have that.
	And he was speculating about his vice president.
	They were asking about his vice presidential choice.
	And I think it's in that soundbite.
	Let's listen.
	Who would be in the running for a vice president?
	Well, I can't tell you that really.
	I mean, I know who it's going to be.
	Give us a hint.
	I'll give you, we'll do another show sometime.
	What about any of the people who you run against?
	Would you be open to mending fences with?
	I've already started to like Christie better.
	Christy, Christie for vice president.
	I don't see it.
	I don't see it.
	That would be an upset.
	Christie for vice president.
	You know, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to announce.
	Very quick.
	I have a theory.
	I think Chris intentionally had the hot mic on.
	My thinking is, I mean, he's a pro.
	He knows what he's doing.
	And he wanted that to happen.
	I think he wanted to leave on his own terms.
	Like, yes, the official announcement, he'll take the high road.
	He'll be the statesman.
	But he wanted to go out on his own terms.
	And I think he knew that mic was on.
	Interesting.
	I mean, could be.
	The one thing you get with Chris is he tells you exactly what's on his mind at all times.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I mean, that's the beauty.
	You love it or you hate it.
	About Chris Christie is you just asked, do you think he's going to come out today and say publicly, she's going to get smoked?
	She's not up to this.
	I don't think.
	I bet if he was in front of a microphone he would.
	He would have some variation over it, but but look, he's not going.
	Chris will go away.
	So I don't think he wants to be the guy who's mediating the 10, 12 percent of his own electorate.
	I could be wrong about that, but it seems like if you listen to what he said up to this moment, what he said is, it's it's insulting to suggest that my voters would just automatically migrate to one candidate or another.
	I think he believes that.
	Yeah, I mean you could have, but do we believe that, don't?
	We all know that they're going to Nikki Haley for the most part, like I mean, most of his voters are Democrats and independents because they can vote in New Hampshire's primary on the GOP side there.
	It's not Republicans, he's it's.
	If it is, it's never Trumpers, and she's the candidate of choice of you know, the less conservative voters, like you see in New Hampshire, like who would be supporting him.
	Yeah, it's also possible.
	They just stay home, though.
	Right, if they're not supporting Chris, they might.
	They might just stay home.
	It's possible that they support Nikki Haley, and that's enough to sort of get her over the top on on Trump in New Hampshire, but like sort of back to the the Trump clip.
	What I love about that clip is it's a couple of things.
	Number one, Donald Trump is the master of publicity and understanding when he has something people want you, And I love that.
	He in that clip is like, well, I'll come back and do another event when I haven't enough.
Mastering Publicity Moments 00:15:25
	I'm not going to give it away to you for free.
	That's not how he ever operated his entire life.
	And then what I also love about it is the charm and the humor of the Christie thing.
	I love, oh, kind of liking Christie.
	That's the thing.
	I tweeted this out last night.
	I was watching Nikki and Ron, and you're like, okay, you know, they're fighting policy.
	Mostly it was just kind of a lot of cat fighting, I have to say.
	It was kind of, it was a turnoff, as I said.
	But on some things, you're like, okay, they're making some progress.
	They're point counterpoint.
	They're fighting for it.
	I get it.
	Last two standing.
	And they're like, who knows?
	We could do it.
	And then you turn over to Fox.
	You're like, it's done.
	It's done.
	Look at this guy.
	And I'm not saying it's necessarily the right thing for the Republican Party or the country, but it's just, it's done.
	Look at Trump.
	He's just whatever you think of the man, you can't deny.
	He's like a walking ball of charisma.
	You know, doesn't that just it just sort of it sort of just reflects where the Republican primary electorate is right now?
	They want to be entertained.
	The substance is a secondary or tertiary requirement for who they want to be the nominee.
	I mean, that's just a fact.
	Like Donald Trump in that town hall said Ron DeSantis was the biggest fan of Anthony Fauci, which is just like...
	We have that.
	We have that.
	Let's talk about that because that is the other thing with Trump.
	If you stay tuned long enough, you really listen to what he's saying.
	You're like, well, that's not true.
	Well, we know that's not true.
	Well, that also is not true.
	And this is one of the examples of that.
	I own a small business and time is money.
	Would you ever allow a shutdown in the future?
	No, I wouldn't.
	And I never did.
	I let the governors make their decisions.
	Florida did shut down.
	Ron DeSanctis shut down.
	He shut his state down very violently, actually, and shut the highways down, the roads down.
	I'm a federalist in a sense, because that's the federalist way.
	No, I didn't actually have a shutdown, despite the fact that some people wanted to and some people didn't want to.
	But if you go back and look at the records, you will see that the biggest fan of Dr. Fauci was Ron DeSanctimonius.
	He was a big fan.
	He said, I go by exactly quote, I go by what Dr. Fauci said.
	He said that two months in, all the way through, and then eventually changed when it wasn't, you know, that wasn't the dessert of the day.
	Dr. Fauci was not a huge factor in my administration.
	I love seeing that so much.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because he's just not telling the truth.
	Because it's funny.
	Because it's fun.
	I love that.
	Like, I think that entertainment value is so critical.
	It's like the spoonful of medicine or the spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.
	And Trump has that in spades.
	Like he can lower.
	But there, are you positing that there he's trying to entertain us?
	Because there, I think he's trying to lie.
	When he says he's not the dessert of the day, like all this is just hilariousness.
	I mean, look, he's very funny.
	No question about it.
	But it's very funny.
	Okay, but like, I'll be quick to say Trump's funny when he's funny, but that was a lie.
	Like Trump.
	That's not true.
	I'll just give you one compilation that we pulled from right around the time.
	It was March of 2020 clips.
	When he did, he absolutely ordered 15 days to slow the spread.
	That was him.
	Here's an example.
	We did the right thing.
	We closed the country down.
	Could have kept it open.
	And I could have done what some countries are doing.
	I had to shut it down.
	We did the right thing.
	I thought of keeping it open.
	And we did just the right thing.
	We closed it down.
	And a group of very smart people walk in and say, sir, we have to close it.
	And we did the right thing.
	They can't do anything without the approval of the president of the United States.
	Even the Democrats aren't blaming me for that.
	We had to close it up.
	Some people wish we never closed it down.
	We did the right thing.
	We closed it.
	It's a decision for the president of the United States.
	I mean, we did the right thing.
	had to close it up because nobody's ever heard of closing down a country, let alone the United States of America.
	That was put together by a DeSantis fan, but those are all legit clips.
	And he did close.
	He did.
	And he's right that he said it's up to you, governors, after the 15 days to slow.
	But then he was like, okay, it's up to the governors.
	But it was under enormous pressure from the White House to close, close, close, close, threatened if he didn't close.
	Fauci, he did cede to Fauci, who was leaning on all these governors.
	Trump leaned personally on these governors.
	Governor Brian Kemp of Florida, I mean, sorry, of Georgia came out and said he tried to strongarm me into closing.
	So Trump could be like, I left it up to the governors.
	Okay, but you were on the side of closure.
	Go ahead, guys.
	Well, I mean, nobody remembers that better than President Trump.
	And nobody knows the stakes in a presidential race better than him because he knows that it's on his opponents to prosecute that case, to remind people of what he said.
	And he's not just going to sit there and let them say over and over and over again without responding.
	He takes something where there's a kernel of truth.
	It actually is true that Governor DeSantis said that Fauci is doing a good job once.
	Is that the body of evidence on DeSantis?
	No way.
	He was famous because he pushed back against the mandates, but he actually said it once.
	And where Trump is so effective is that he is on offense all the time.
	He takes one little fact and he drives it and drives it and drives it in a more entertaining and memorable and forceful way than any of his opponents.
	And guess what?
	That's how you win elections.
	I mean, I think.
	Well, just you're right.
	And just like the thing, like, I left it up to the governors.
	It's like, okay, you left it up to the governors the same way the mob boss leaves it up to the shopkeeper whether he's going to pay the $50 in protection.
	Go ahead, Smoke.
	Yeah, I mean, well, I think Ashbrook completely nailed it is Trump knows what could be a problem for him to deal with, where he is vulnerable.
	And so he goes on the offense ahead of time.
	And I think this is another example of whether you can have charisma or facts on your side.
	You want charisma because you can prosecute the case.
	You can get people's attention.
	You can get them listening to you.
	And then you can lull them with whatever message you want.
	As opposed to if someone's there just like fact check, you know, I actually didn't want to shut down.
	No one's going to pay attention to that person.
	They're going to pay attention to someone who they think is like a disruption.
	It's a sad indictment of where we are as a country.
	Yeah, that's not exactly a good thing.
	No, I mean, it's really facts are boring.
	We don't want, but it's also, Megan, look, the other side of this coin is there are at least half of the Republican primary electorate that what you just showed is exactly why they're uncomfortable with President Trump.
	I mean, you're talking about a former president running for the nomination of his own party, and we're still in a process where this hasn't become just a coronation.
	Now, granted, he's got a big lead and all likelihood will be the nominee, but he's under 50 in all of these states.
	And we'll see what happens in Iowa.
	We'll see what happens in New Hampshire and South Carolina and beyond.
	But he hasn't locked this thing down by any stretch of the imagination.
	That's because there still is a very large voting bloc in the Republican primary electorate that wants things like facts, that is very concerned about the direction of our country and is concerned that President Trump is someone who's more interested in entertaining them than they are in actually pursuing the policies that might make life a little better.
	Now, what Trump has going for him is the policy, the policies he implemented as president were pretty damn good.
	And people do remember that.
	But I think, look, he hasn't closed the deal because of exactly what it is that you just showed with those clips.
	Yeah.
	And the other thing he has going for him, if you watched the Fox Town Hall last night, person after person, Cheryl from Ames.
	Oh, Mr. President, I can't wait to vote for you for the third time.
	You know what I mean?
	It was like, that was the sort of stagecraft that Donald Trump does better than almost anybody else.
	While the other two are arguing amongst themselves over policy, made very good points.
	We're very persuasive, both of them.
	I thought very, both of them were very persuasive.
	But when you switch over to Fox and you watch person after person in Iowa get up and talk about how Trump did things and that's why they like him, I mean, that's, that's his message.
	There was one.
	That was Ashbrook.
	You know what that was?
	That was the Fox News surrender to Trump.
	That's what we watched last night because they are not on Team Trump.
	They've been very anti-Trump for a long, long time.
	They've been pro-DeSantis and then they switched to pro-Nikki and they've been very anti-vivek and they've been very anti-Trump.
	But Trump, like he did in 16, has wrested this nomination from the Republican Party, notwithstanding Fox's objection.
	And last night, Fox made a decision, it was clear to me, to get back in his good graces.
	And I thought Brett and Martha did a fine job.
	Don't get me wrong.
	They did ask a couple of challenging questions, but they are capable of asking much tougher questions.
	And more than that, it was the questions that were selected from the audience and the people who were selected to ask the questions.
	Make no mistake about it.
	The moderators know exactly who's coming up.
	All those things are pre-selected.
	You know exactly who they're voting for and who they're not.
	You try in a perfect town hall to have balance.
	You know, I'm a DeSantis person.
	I'm a Haley person.
	I'm a Christie, whatever.
	I'm sad today because he left.
	I'm a Trump person.
	They were the vast majority were Trumpers and loving Trumpers.
	And there's probably some sort of a wink and a nod agreement with Team Trump to do that, just to get him to do the town hall because he knows Fox has been unfair to him.
	So last night they bent the knee.
	I think Rupert, what it told me is Rupert has realized it's done.
	Trump's winning and it's time to get on board Team Trump.
	That happened with Rupert when Trump was running for the nomination 16.
	I can tell you that personally, where he didn't want him and he made a decision.
	It's time to turn.
	It's his and the election's too important to have her win.
	And here we are.
	I mean, I could see it with my own eyes.
	They've made the decision.
	So anyway, keep going.
	I think your instincts are right.
	What you were saying was right.
	And that's why he looks so good by their design.
	And I largely agree with you, Megan.
	I think there are a couple instances in which Trump was forced a little bit outside of his comfort zone where he had to clarify some statements he has made on DeSantis or Nikki or whatever.
	The one in particular that I think stood out was the question on pro-life from the woman who asked Trump, you know, basically to clarify his position on life and, you know, had voted for Trump twice and said, you know, we were glad that you ended Roe.
	But, you know, Trump.
	Actually, sorry, Duncan, I keep interrupting you.
	Let me play that and then pick up your thoughts, Satan.
	Sure.
	I'd like for you to reassure me that you can protect all life, every person's right to life without compromise.
	So that's a great question.
	I appreciate it too.
	You wouldn't be asking that question, even talking about the issue, because for 54 years they were trying to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I did it.
	And I'm proud to have done it.
	We did it.
	And we did something that was a miracle.
	I happen to be for the exceptions, like Ronald Reagan with the life of the mother, rape, incest.
	I just have to be there.
	You have to win elections.
	Otherwise, you're going to be back where you were.
	And you can't let that ever happen again.
	You've got to win elections.
	DeSantis, I don't know what he really believes because, you know, you never know with a politician.
	He's doing very, very poorly.
	It happened to coincide with that because a lot of people say a lot of, you know, if you talk five or six weeks, a lot of women don't know if they're pregnant in five or six weeks.
	We're going to come up with something that people want and people like.
	54 years they campaigned on that issue and nobody pulled it off but me so i think you're going to be happy in the end By the way, just quick classic Trump.
	We're going to come up with something people that something that people like and they want.
	You're going to be very happy.
	Go ahead, Doug.
	Yeah, so good.
	No, it's exactly right.
	Like, he always, his negotiating tactic, whenever he's trying to sell something, is he just leaves the door open to everything, you know.
	And so, in the voter's mind, they can sort of fill it in with exactly what they want.
	And then, that, you know, through osmosis, it also in their mind becomes the position of Donald Trump.
	Oh, so Donald Trump wants what I want.
	You know, I would say, like, look, in a Republican primary, it's not great to sort of compromise on the issue of life and talk about how you have to win elections.
	If anybody else did that who wasn't Donald Trump, there are a lot of people in the MAGA movement who would call them a rhino immediately, immediately.
	But Donald Trump just gets a pass on that thing.
	He called heartbeat bills terrible.
	But, like, look, there is some truth to what he's saying if you just look at the poll numbers, right?
	I mean, his position, I think, on the issue does put him in a better place with the general election audience.
	It's just Donald Trump gets to operate by a different set of rules when it comes to triangulation or nuance and that sort of thing.
	Well, I think this is another smart thing about him, Smug, because he's playing already to the general electorate.
	These other two on CNN last night are playing still to the Republican base and maybe can't have the same kind of wider appealing message.
	Yeah, I mean, to reiterate on Duncan's point of how, like, Trump's the only person who can get away with this, I thought it was endlessly fascinating.
	I think last week that poll came out asking voters who they thought was most a person of faith who believed in God.
	And Trump was like 30 points ahead of Mitt Romney or more people than Trump.
	Yeah, it was just the most astonishing and amazing thing.
	And again, it just speaks to the charisma and the ability to like bend reality to his will.
	And that's just, I mean, if again, if I could have the power of charisma or the power of facts on my side, I'd choose charisma every single day because you get things like that.
	You do get sucked in.
	You know, like a stronghorn political moment.
	Scott Abbott was so interesting.
	You know, he took hypnotism lessons and he's one of the people who said Trump would win very early on in 2015.
	And he could see Trump's power of persuasions.
	He could see he's got the thing that you learn in hypnotism, like how to get the brain.
	And last night I was listening and he's like, we have the best economy.
	We had no inflation.
	We had no wars.
	The border was secure.
	We were energy independent.
	I was like, yeah.
	And like, this is what makes you, and he's not wrong about a lot of those things, you know, but you kind of forget about, well, why did anybody have any problem with Trump?
	He's right about all that stuff and Iran and NATO and FNA.
	And like he just, he does kind of take you away, you know, like Calgon.
	He takes you away.
	It's really amazing.
	Without anybody up there to sort of remind you that there's some other problems that may be looming, it's almost a dangerous but enjoyable dance.
	It is.
	One other thing I would say about Nikki and Ron's debate, though, is I feel like they clarified some of those other looming challenges in a very direct way that they'd alluded to previously and do on the stump occasionally.
	But I mean, DeSantis had a moment when he was talking about Trump, you know, fighting this immunity claim in the DC appeals court, talking about like all the distractions and stuff on the legal side that Donald Trump's going to face.
The Abortion Pitfall 00:08:08
	That, you know, of course, when Donald Trump was president, we had a better economy and did a better job than Joe Biden has done as president.
	But I think what DeSantis was sort of alluding to there is like, that's not going to be the argument of this election.
	Like what's going to happen is we're going to have a referendum election on the guy who's not president of the United States based on the fact that he's been indicted 91 times.
	Yeah, this conversation changes very, very quickly.
	Right.
	I mean, this is a little bit more.
	All I'd say, all I'd say the entire election campaign against Joe Biden is, are you better off now than you were four years ago?
	Are you better off now than you were for?
	It just keeps saying that.
	It's such a unique situation where he was the president for four years from four years ago back.
	And this other guy he's running against has had the last four years.
	So it's like you can very easily determine which guy do I prefer.
	You've had both experience, a very rare experience for American voters.
	Democrats actually wanted to defeat Donald Trump.
	They would have done something to shut down the border.
	They would have actually done something about inflation.
	They would have protected American energy independence.
	All the things that the lefties in this country are against.
	If they wanted to defeat Donald Trump, they would have governed like Donald Trump.
	They didn't do that.
	And so they've left the door open.
	But I will say this.
	I think they recognize this is the one like major pitfall of Trump as a candidate is, of course, if he were to run and say, are you better off now than you were under my presidency?
	Of course he wins that argument.
	And it's an extremely convincing one.
	He's just not going to make it.
	There's going to be so many, there's going to be so many instances where he starts, you know, the question could be, oh, well, how is the economy under you?
	Oh, well, the economy was great.
	But here's the thing.
	These judges against me, they're horrible people.
	And the Supreme Court owes me.
	So they better follow through on that.
	And they're like, the question is about the economy.
	Exactly.
	I'm sick of these judges.
	You know, like that's the problem.
	And I think Democrats recognize this, which is why they really, really wanted Trump to be the candidate and why they don't need to worry about, okay, well, if we don't do something about the situation at the border, we're screwed.
	No, because they know that it's going to all become just like in the midterms.
	We're going to talk about January 6th.
	We're going to talk about 96 indictments.
	So that's the biggest problem.
	And there's still an interesting point because last night he was on fire.
	He was great.
	I gave him an A plus on his performance last night in part because he was not asked any of these questions.
	But you know, as soon as he goes over to that CNN again, remember that Caitlin Collins town hall?
	That's all they want to talk about.
	So they will be introducing the topics that are his triggers.
	You know, they'll love to spoon feed him those, just like, you know, it's sort of like with a cowprod.
	Go ahead.
	No, I mean, look, I think that's right.
	He's not going to have the luxury of making any kind of argument that he had last night in any real way because his opposition has a say too.
	And they are going to be well financed.
	And as we could tell from 2020, they're really good at getting out their vote to try to defeat who they think is a threat to the country, which is the case that they'll be making in Technicolor for the next nine months.
	And so, yeah, like I think this is a moment in time where we're all looking at like that town hall last night saying, man, he just like barreled the bat on everything.
	Well, it's also a very unique moment in time where there's still a constituency for two-thirds of the things that he's talking about.
	Like that changes post-primary.
	That constituency is already baked into the cake and you have to go and find out what gets you from 45 to 51.
	And those people are going to be very difficult for Donald Trump.
	I mean, we've seen six straight years of election data that shows that there's a hard ceiling on a lot of that for a guy like Donald Trump that, you know, frankly, Nikki or Ron don't have.
	And again, well, there's one advantage that he's got over not Ron DeSantis, but he's got an advantage over Ron DeSantis, but Nikki Haley has the advantage over Trump.
	And that's on abortion when we're talking about a general electorate, right?
	The general electorate versus the GOP voters is more liberal on the issue of abortion.
	You guys, last time you guys were on, we had a deep conversation about abortion and all that.
	But so it's, it's good.
	It's smart of Trump to sound more moderate if he's trying to appeal to general election voters.
	However, I did think it was very interesting to listen to a clip, at least I don't watch Morning Joe, but I saw a clip of them having a meltdown over that abortion answer that we just played from the left.
	Keep in mind, Morning Joe is supposed to be Republican.
	He's supposed to be a Republican.
	They had a meltdown from the left.
	And I'll let you hear it for yourselves, how they interpreted that remark we just heard.
	He's grown so old and hobbled intellectually, I guess, because he thinks he's running against Barack Obama.
	He's worried about World War II starting.
	He made an incredible political mistake, and he knows it this morning.
	He knows it.
	Incredible political mistake last night going, I was the one who terminated Roe v. Wade.
	I was the one that just me, nobody else could have stripped away 50 years of women's rights the way I, Donald Trump, did.
	I terminated Roe v. Wade.
	And everybody in his campaign staff was like, oh, God.
	So it's, they think, but by the way, just to clarify, I mean, just so you know, you should not get your facts from Morning Joe, because President Trump has been saying this exact line since Dobbs was decided.
	This row was overturned.
	I'll just, I just have my team pull a couple.
	Here he was on Newsmax.
	I'm the one who got rid of Roe versus Wade.
	And everyone said it would be impossible.
	Trump after the decision in 2022.
	The decision's only made possible because I delivered everything as promised.
	It was my great honor to do so.
	Trump in 2023.
	Without me, the pro-life movement would have just kept losing.
	Thank you, President Trump.
	That's him thinking himself.
	It's not new.
	It is definitely not new.
	No.
	And look, I think what Joe, I think, is alluding to is the fact that the vast majority of voters who this is a very important issue to never get beyond the I did X, but they already know that.
	Right.
	So, I mean, there is nobody that is going to be confused about Donald Trump's position on abortion.
	The question is in that later part of the segment when he was talking about, you know, is there an accommodation that you can come to that's reasonable, which is a conversation that, you know, like Ron DeSantis has not had.
	Nikki Haley does have, and I think has demonstrated a very good way for a lot of conservatives to talk about abortion.
	But Trump's trying to get into that lane.
	And he's got the credibility with the pro-life movement by first reminding everybody of the obvious that Roe v. Wade would still be there had we not had three Supreme Court justices change the dynamic of the court.
	Yeah.
	And he seems to be aware of the politics of the issue, quite frankly.
	I mean, he watched the election cycle in 2020 too, the same as everybody else.
	And he knows that this is a very challenging issue for Republicans, which makes me wonder, does he pick a VP who can help him on this issue specifically?
	I'm not saying he's going to take Nikki Haley, but I mean, she wouldn't be a bad choice.
	That's interesting.
	I bet it'll be a woman.
	She's weird to me.
	It's weird to me he can be so perceptive on a way to sort of triangulate for the general election on an issue that's as difficult as life and abortion, but then still talk about how 2020 was real every single day, which he knows.
	It's a loser issue.
	He believes it.
	Right?
	Like that's Jack Smith's problem is he's in court trying to prove Trump knew it was a lie.
	And I think anybody other than hard partisan leftists know Trump didn't think so.
	Trump believed and believes to this moment, he's never lost anything.
	Like it's, it just, it didn't happen, didn't happen, didn't happen.
	As good as he is at hypnotizing the electorate, he's done it to himself first.
	That's who he is.
	So that's why he can't get off of it.
	So if I were a Democrat who wanted to see him go down, I would spend my interview being like, what do you make of January 6th?
	Did you get screwed?
Riding Momentum Alone 00:10:00
	What happened?
	What happened in Michigan?
	Let's walk back through the Georgia vote and those 11,000.
	Didn't that get stolen?
	I tee it up just to make him say all the things that the middle hates.
	Anyway, I know his team realizes he shouldn't be talking about it.
	I don't think Brett Martha wanted to talk about it.
	I did not raise that stuff when I talked to him.
	He's talked about it enough, but we are in for a year of leftist media asking him about that very thing.
	Standby, quick break, much, much more.
	The guys are with us for the whole show, and there's plenty more to go over.
	You can go to desantaslies.com.
	Go to desantaslies.com.
	DeSantislies.com.
	DeSantislies.com.
	Hold on.
	Go to DeSantislies.com.
	DeSantislies.com.
	DeSantislies.com.
	DeSantis Lislies.
	DeSantislies.com.
	Go to Desantaslies.com.
	DeSantislies.com.
	Go to Dasanaslies.com.
	You can go to Dasanaslies.com.
	Where again?
	What?
	I mean, I haven't heard that a website repeated that much since DickMorris.com used to come on Fox.
	Wow.
	What did you guys make of that?
	Her new line, her new attempt to disparage.
	I think what she's trying to do is avoid being the one to litigate all of this in public herself all the time and point people to a direction where they think they've got some material that points out the deficiencies of Ron DeSantis without her having to get in the dogfight.
	But that happened anyway.
	So, I mean, it's a tactic that we've used from an operative standpoint a lot is you have these microsites that point out various aspects of your opponent's record.
	And if you can get people to land on the page, then you can educate some people on some stuff.
	Yeah, because you don't want to spend all of your time in the debate reacting to the thing that the other person said and having to correct the record because then you're not getting your message out.
	So these microsites and stuff sort of become your way of parrying away what they said and then getting to the point you want to make.
	The problem is like it also becomes a crutch in and of itself, where part of winning a debate is successfully parrying it away and then making the point all in the same 30 seconds, 90 seconds.
	And I think DeSantis did a better job than that.
	I think they both had good moments in the debate, but I think DeSantis is better at taking what Nikki is saying, making a point, and then pivoting to when I was governor, I actually did the thing.
	You know what I mean?
	And she kind of became a crutch where she was just sort of relying on this microsite to sort of move on, which I don't think is.
	There was something annoying about it too.
	It was like, I heard it already.
	It's starting to feel like you're a telemarketer.
	You know, I've had enough.
	What am I supposed to donate to you when I get there?
	For sure, you're going to hit me up for money.
	You keep saying it dozens of times.
	Credit to Breitbart for putting together that sound bite.
	Meanwhile, I think DeSantis overall, yes, I agree.
	He did well.
	I'd have to give him the advantage as between the two of them and how it went over, how it made me feel.
	But he had some doozies in there too, like this one in SOT4.
	Now, I debated the governor of California, Gavin Newsome.
	You know, I thought he lied a lot.
	Man, Nikki Haley gives him a run for his money, and she may even be more liberal than Gavin Newsome is.
	No.
	No.
	She's stuck with just lies as much.
	I don't think she's now more liberal than Gavin Newsome.
	Is anyone more liberal than Gavin Newsome?
	That's the thing.
	I bet Trump could convince people.
	Like when he's on a roll and you're like lulled to it, you know, I bet he could, he could drop that and it'd be a lot smoother.
	DeSantis just doesn't do rehearsed lines well.
	It's not his style.
	I wish his team give them to him.
	It doesn't work.
	Completely agree.
	You're right, Duncan.
	He's exactly right.
	And when you're doing these debates, you have to ask, you're basically making a choice in that, are you talking to the audience of people who are sitting there and watching CNN for a solid hour to decide who it is they like better?
	Or are you talking to an audience of people who are going to be looking at clips of the debate, watching things that are said afterwards?
	And you have to figure out how to address both of those audiences because they're equally as important.
	I would say on the Nikki Haley thing.
	If there's one thing anybody remembered out of that debate, it's that she and her campaign are saying that DeSantis lies.
	And maybe somebody goes to the website.
	They certainly weren't going to go to the website if she hadn't mentioned it 16,000 times.
	And maybe, maybe it makes her look awkward, but maybe that's a risk she's willing to run to get people to go to the left.
	She also, look, we're talking about it.
	If this presidential thing doesn't work out for her, she could replace Billy Mays as a info telemarketing.
	No, I think Vivek has that market corner.
	Oh, by the way, Vivek is still in the race.
	Just in case people were wondering, it's still technically out there.
	She's obviously focused on New Hampshire, supremely focused on New Hampshire.
	We talked about the Chris Christie effect.
	I just want to give the audience the latest polling.
	In New Hampshire, the thing that has Team Haley and her supporters excited is there's a CNN poll that shows Trump only seven points up over Nikki in New Hampshire.
	Trump at 39, Nikki at 32.
	She has a 12-point jump since the last CNN poll, which was in November.
	And Christie in that poll had 12%.
	So 32 plus 12 is 44.
	And there's Trump at 39, leading people to think, okay, if Christie drops out, she's actually got a chance of not just coming in first in the undercard contest in New Hampshire.
	She could beat Trump, which could potentially stop his momentum.
	This is the hope of those who don't want Trump.
	But you look around and there's a New Hampshire Republican poll out of WHDH-TV and Emerson.
	It gets an A-minus rating.
	And Trump is up 16.
	There's one from USA today, Suffolk.
	It also has an A-minus rating, that poll.
	So it's a good one.
	Trump is up 20.
	And I've heard a lot of people say you cannot trust New Hampshire polling.
	I don't know why you cannot trust it, but I've heard a lot of people say that.
	Like be very careful about putting too much stock into these numbers out of New Hampshire.
	Look, if she doesn't, let's talk turkey.
	If DeSantis, because DeSantis right now might lose Iowa to Nikki Haley, too.
	He's definitely going to lose it to Trump.
	I think.
	It looks that way.
	And if he comes in third in Iowa, do you agree he's out?
	He's going to announce he's done after Iowa.
	And if she, yeah, and then, or then we'll do her after.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, I think it gets exceedingly very difficult.
	I mean, he's made it plain since the very beginning that they intend to play in Iowa as a primary strength of that campaign.
	And they've put a ton of resources into Iowa.
	If he's not in second in Iowa, I think it gets very, very difficult because look, you immediately pivot and go to New Hampshire and he's not even really playing there, right?
	So that's a long Period of time where you have underperformed expectations.
	It's very difficult to fundraise.
	Your ability to stay on top of the news cycle wanes.
	People naturally want to go with a momentum candidate.
	So I do think it would be very difficult for DeSantis.
	And I think that, look, the most significant thing that can happen in this race is if Nikki Haley figures out how to get into second place in Iowa.
	Yep.
	Because if that happens, coupled with the Chris Christie departure in New Hampshire, and she's got a very real shot.
	It's not just those polls that you listed, Megan.
	There's a half dozen more that may not show her within the margin of error, but has a huge momentum swing where she was down in the low, you know, 10, 11, 12, now up to the 30s in almost every other poll, regardless of where Trump is.
	And right when you want it, Holmes, right?
	Right when you, she's gotten the momentum right when you want it.
	Exactly when you want it.
	And so, look, if she gets second there and then all of a sudden shocks the world and beats that sort of fait accompli that Trump has had since the beginning of this campaign, that he's eventually going to be the nominee, you're then going into her home state in a mano-womano.
	Like if they're looking for one way to make this actual race interesting, it would be that exact set of circumstances.
	Yep.
	And I think also a lot of this discussion should be around the problems that the DeSantis campaign has had since launch, where, I mean, they've had numerous people who have left the super PAC and then the Super PAC leaked details of what their plan was.
	And then the candidate has to come out and say, no, that's not our plan.
	Like it's been very chaotic to where they've boxed themselves into a position where if they don't come in second place in Iowa, it's essentially a wrap because then they go into New Hampshire and they're expecting to get third at best.
	Then they're going to South Carolina, hoping to get third at best.
	Like, what is the case for staying in at that point?
	So they've cornered themselves into a very terrible situation.
	Yeah, I think there's some evidence, though.
	And I mean, an Iowa, a caucus, a caucus system just overall tends to reward the most organized, most conservative candidate.
	I mean, we've seen this numerous times.
	It's always why like the Rotten Paul people did so well in contests like this.
	And I think that's an advantage to DeSantis.
	I would also encourage people to read the Associated Press's recent story.
	Steve Peoples had a great article from On the Ground in Iowa, and they pointed out a couple of things that I think are interesting.
	63% of likely first-time Republican caucus goers are saying Trump is their first choice.
	And there's people in here that they talked to who said, I'm 100% behind Trump, but I'm only pretty sure I'm going to end up caucusing for him.
	And it's going to be two degrees.
	And Nikki Haley's coalition is a lot of independent voters and Democrats who aren't die-hard Republicans, and maybe they decide to stay home on that day.
	So I think like some of those mechanics might actually benefit DeSantis and make sure he, you know, he ends up securing second place.
Mika's Cruel Fall 00:15:30
	I just have to correct Duncan on one thing.
	The high for the day is two degrees.
	Yeah.
	We're sending Smug to Iowa for this.
	Are you up to date?
	I'm going to be out there in negative 20.
	It's going to be negative 20.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And we're going to be in the safety and comfort of the studio here on Monday night.
	And we're just going to bully Smug.
	It's going to be awesome.
	It's going to be exciting to be out there, though.
	I have to say, like, that is one thing I miss about working for the big cable channel, going out there, like on the big nights and being in the midst of, you're not really in the midst of the people.
	You're sitting on a studio desk, but, you know, getting to go and meet the locals and sort of hear from them directly what's on their mind.
	We'll probably be doing more of that over the next over the coming year, but it's going to be cool.
	And I love watching American Democracy and Work.
	Whatever they decide, you know, we'll live with it.
	We'll try to interpret it.
	We'll try to read the tea leaves.
	But they have a lot of power, these Iowa voters.
	All eyes are on them.
	Stand by.
	The guys stay with us.
	So much more to get to, including Jill Biden and how she's ashamed of what you people are doing to Hunter.
	Don't go away.
	Dr. Jill Biden sat down with Mika Brzezinski.
	And it was a very hard-hitting.
	No, no, it wasn't.
	And Mika on the heels of Hunter thumbing his middle finger at Congress yesterday morning, right?
	He blew off the congressional subpoena, which we've been told by Jack Smith it's very, very important to comply with subpoenas.
	You could get criminally prosecuted by Jack Smith if you don't comply with the subpoena.
	He blew it off.
	And then when they were having the hearing on whether he should be held in criminal contempt and then refer this case to the Justice Department, he showed up out of nowhere.
	Hey, hi, how you doing?
	Here I am, Hunter.
	And then just got up and walked out when Marjorie Taylor Greene started speaking.
	And it was just a big middle finger to the entire process and really to the American people.
	So Mika mentions that incident and Hunter's hot, messy life to Dr. Jill.
	And here is what she said on SAT 20.
	How have you been coping personally with the onslaught of accusations against your husband and your family, including and especially Hunter?
	It's the focus of a House Oversight Committee hearing, holding him in contempt, obsessing over him, showing pictures of him during vulnerable moments in his battle with addiction on the floor of the house.
	This would crush any family.
	Mika, I think what they are doing to Hunter is cruel.
	And I'm really proud of how Hunter has rebuilt his life after addiction.
	You know, I love my son, and it's had, it's hurt my grandchildren.
	And that's what I'm so concerned about that it's affecting their lives as well.
	It's cruel.
	It's cruel, Smug.
	Yeah.
	So when, first off, she says, during vulnerable moments, his photos?
	You mean the photos he took himself with prostitutes doing crash?
	Is that a vulnerable moment?
	Pretty vulnerable.
	And then when she tries to play the my grandchildren card, you mean like the grandchild that Hunter had with the stripper in Alabama that you guys aren't letting have the last name Biden?
	The one that you went to court so that they're not allowed to have the name of their father?
	Real family, you know, family chicken.
	Also, they talk about him like it's some high school kid getting bullied.
	Total.
	He's 53 years old, Megan.
	53.
	Did you happen to notice the people he was with?
	One of them was the producer of a documentary about him in his most vulnerable moment.
	This poor guy brought in his Hollywood benefactor producer to make a show out of it so they can make more money.
	Don't you think that's the whole thing?
	Like, that's the reason why he showed up in the first place.
	It's like be great content for the documentary and then I'll storm out when MTG gets up into the dais for sure.
	Right.
	It's like 100%.
	This wasn't about he wanted to answer to the subpoena or he wants to comply with the process or wants to tell the truth.
	This was content.
	He was making content for a documentary.
	Yeah.
	And he's an artist.
	And who amongst us hasn't had several crack rock bags and then decided to shake down Chinese governments and things like that?
	Right?
	It's cruel to point it out, Holmes.
	It's cruel to ask him about it.
	I mean, it's amazing.
	Like yesterday, not for nothing, but on the show, we had Dean Phillips, the Democrat who's trying to challenge Joe Biden for the nomination.
	And this is a Democrat-centrist candidate from Minnesota.
	And he was saying, I said, all right, let's put it aside.
	He claimed he hasn't seen evidence that Joe was involved in any of Hunter's nefarious campaigns.
	Disagree, but I was like, okay, fine.
	We only have limited time with the guy.
	I said, all right, let's table all the evidence that he has because we've had the whistleblowers on the show walking us through in great detail the evidence showing Joe knew and had a role.
	But let's put table.
	And I said, in what world is it okay for the sitting vice president who's in charge of Ukraine policy to let his son sit on a board of a corrupt company over in Ukraine?
	And he said, it's not.
	It's not.
	It's totally wrong.
	It is corrupt and it shouldn't have been allowed under any circumstances.
	Now, that's a Democrat.
	How is it cruel to now ask Hunter about those relationships, to ask Joe Biden about the, to say this looks corrupt and it is a family business?
	She's a liar.
	I'm sorry, but she's a liar just like her husband and her son.
	Yes.
	Well, the one thing that Democrats like the Bidens have become so used to over the years is that they are surprised anybody has to ask any questions.
	It's like, wow, I can't imagine that I actually have to defend anything because I don't usually.
	That's right.
	And the fact of the matter is, is they didn't for an awful long time.
	It wasn't until a House Republican majority actually did some investigation, which, by the way, they put out all the evidence and then it's summarily dismissed by the mainstream press.
	You like, you will not read a single thing about this on the front page of the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Associated Press or anything.
	Like, it just doesn't exist.
	If you want to actually get the information, you got to read a damn press release.
	I mean, really, from the government, from the committee.
	Yeah.
	Which is wild in contrast to where we were during the Trump years, where if Adam Schiff so much as whispered something to the New York Times that was completely wrong without any evidence whatsoever, it was the front page of the New York Times and they won Pulitzers for it.
	Yeah.
	And somebody asked him a key question yesterday.
	They said, Mr. Biden, what kind of crap do you normally smoke?
	And I haven't heard an answer to that question yet.
	There are people who are actually wondering.
	If there's someone who wants to ask that, she could have asked it.
	That's a joke.
	But she did not ask her any hard questions.
	And it's like, if you're going to sit there and tee it up for the first lady to say, this is cruel, what they're doing to my son, then you better, if you actually consider yourself a journalist who criticizes other journalists, get ready for a couple of tough follow-ups.
	Madam, let me walk you through why they're investigating him.
	And by the way, why do we have those nudie pics of Hunter?
	Because he thought his unit was the most photographable, whatever, what's the word, photogenic unit in the world.
	He couldn't get enough of his own disgusting, hairy body.
	That's the only reason we've seen it.
	Megan, have you seen the footwork?
	There's footwork that is.
	I mean, I think, you know, as funny as that is, that's actually a critical question to ask because it came from the laptop that that campaign told reporters is disinformation during a campaign.
	The American people is disinformation.
	And now we know it to be true.
	Will they be willing to take responsibility for lying to the American people to win an election?
	Because that's what they did.
	So here's how we tie it together.
	Go ahead, Ashbury.
	I'll tell you.
	Quickly, before you tie it together, I think we've just stumbled across the reason why Dr. Joe Biden talked to Mika Brzezinski and not Megan Kelly.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I think you're right.
	I just feel it's an egregious fall down on the job.
	Like, look, I get it.
	That's her side.
	She's very clearly voting for the Bidens.
	And that's okay.
	Journalists are allowed to vote in elections and have a preference.
	But when you're across from the other person as a journalist, fucking do your job.
	I'm sorry.
	I believe my record stands up on this.
	I do it.
	I do it when I'm across from the person I know I'm going to vote for.
	Why?
	Because I want to be mean to that person?
	Because I don't want this person to like me?
	No, because it's my job.
	Especially because Mika and Joe, as part of their show, very frequently are critics of the media and their coverage.
	Yep.
	Right.
	All right.
	And they've been critical of Joe Biden and the coverage of Joe Biden.
	And it's like, you can finally have the opportunity to be a real journalist and you fall asleep on the job.
	Okay.
	So this brings me, this is where I tie it all together, Ashbrook, to Morning Joe's take on the Fox News town hall.
	They were horrified with Brett and Martha.
	Take a listen to this.
	I would call it softball, a softball event.
	I've never seen one as fawning.
	I'm not even sure.
	Why did they have two hosts there?
	You know, they could have just had one just sit there and smile and say, you're great.
	Ask another softball question.
	The Fox News hosts who were just absolute jokes.
	It was just an embarrassment.
	Like Fox News, oh, we're going to be for DeSantis.
	Even DeSantis's people were like, seriously, this is a paid advertisement for Donald Trump, which it was.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	Look, was there a quote unquote news team in the entire business that did more to see President Trump elected than those two?
	Was there a more obsequious, fawning pair in media than Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski in 2015 when it came to the Republican race?
	They licked Trump's boots every morning.
	They loved the taste of the bottom of his shoes.
	They couldn't get enough of it.
	This woman who embarrassed herself with the first lady has the nerve to sit on that set and rip on Fox News for a fine town hall.
	It wasn't excoriating.
	It was fine.
	Has she has the nerve after we just pulled some of her highlights?
	Believe me, we'd be here all day if we pulled Joe's.
	Look at, here's just a little sample of her back in 2015.
	She's rubbing his hair, rubbing Trump's hair, rubbing.
	He's smiling.
	Did you get a lot of sleep last night?
	Well, yeah, well, I got woken up, but I'll, you know, just, well, I, uh, Donald wanted me to see the CPAC speech.
	I was skeptical, but I pulled it up on the internet.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty good.
	Pretty good.
	Mika, what do you mean, pretty good?
	You know, you loved it.
	Wow.
	Trump, you're naughty.
	They're hugging.
	They're kissing.
	That's just her.
	Yeah.
	Spare me.
	Spare me your indignation, people.
	I love this, Megan, as you were sort of winding up to that clip.
	I was ready to call out that clip.
	It's an absolute mind melt.
	I've watched that like 15 times.
	It's so funny.
	We got to give credit.
	I can't remember, but some of you can find it on YouTube.
	It's almost like you're, they just let them call in, right?
	And it's like you're talking to your boyfriend and you're sort of spinning the cord of the of the phone, you know, like laying on your stomach on your bed late at night, talking to your boyfriend.
	I mean, that's really what it's like, Megan.
	It's totally.
	You nailed it when you said it's obsequious.
	Like that's what it was.
	And people forget that.
	And also, that is a critical thing is for the entire cycle, they had an open airway, open channel.
	Anytime Trump wanted to call in, he got through.
	No matter what was on his mind, no matter what new happening, they're like, oh, Trump called in, patch him through immediately.
	And like the, there was a calculation I remember of the amount of airtime that he got on Morning Joe was more than other candidates Super PACs had in their entire budget on ads.
	And by phone.
	On NBC proper too, on NBC.
	They took phoners from a presidential candidate who very clearly could have been sitting there.
	Now we know he was actually reading notes to prompt.
	It was like the whole, so it's fine.
	It happened, whatever.
	He went out to become, but spare me.
	You are not in a position to be criticizing any anchors when it comes to interviews of President Trump.
	Take a seat.
	You stupidness.
	All right.
	I'm going to get back to the media in a couple of seconds, but I don't want to get off of Dr. Jill because there's a couple more things that were interesting in what she said.
	So first, she's got thoughts on the president's vigor that you might find interesting.
	Take a listen to SOT 19.
	Your husband is 81.
	At the end of the second term, he'd be 86.
	As his life partner of 46 years, is there a part of you that is worried about his age and health?
	Can he do it?
	He can do it.
	And I see Joe every day.
	I see him out, you know, traveling around this country.
	I see his vigor.
	I see his energy.
	I see his passion.
	He's got so much vigor.
	That's why Dr. Jill's doing the interviews.
	Didn't we just see her guiding him off the stage on Friday or Saturday?
	Didn't we like literally a couple days ago see her once again have to get him off stage?
	He's got too much vigor to know where he's going.
	She helps channel it.
	You know, I got to tell you, the thing that offends me the most about this entire thing is like all the media that sort of protects this line of argument and the Bidens themselves who project this argument onto the American people, they act as though nobody's ever had a grandparent or a parent.
	Like it's not a part of a normal life to see what it looks like at the end of life, right?
	Like we're, this is a new thing where we've never encountered somebody taking short steps who doesn't know where they are, who wanders around a stage, who loses their place when they're talking.
	Like this is all a new dynamic that most Americans have never encountered before, evidently.
	Let me explain it to you.
	I mean, it doesn't mean anything close to what you think it means.
	If there's one thing that we're all personal experts on, it is exactly what we're watching right now.
	I mean, you don't need to be a med, like, I don't need a medical degree to know what it looks like when Nana and Pop Pop are going down.
	And like, that's what we're looking at.
	And like every time the guy boards Air Force One, the American people have to hold their breath and be like, I hope he doesn't slip and fall.
	Right.
	Because he's had a fall on those stairs like five times at this point.
	He's fallen off a bike.
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	You know, if she were a real doctor, she'd advise him to stop doing this.
	Like, he's got to go home.
	Even the Republicans don't want him to slip and fall.
	It's like the Chinese are watching this.
	We don't want you to fall.
	We don't want a president to fall.
	Yeah.
	I've got a great idea.
	You exit, exit.
	I have a great idea for a general election door hanger for Donald Trump or whoever's the Republican nominee.
	And it's a door hanger that's based on the pamphlet, A Place for Mom.
	I thought you were going to say Silver Alert, but the same does.
	So here she is.
	They pulled a video just so you can see it.
	This is her the other day when he gave his big speech.
	Look, he's wandering.
	Here she is.
	She had to go out on the stage.
	You can see him.
	Look at him.
	Look at him.
	He, he really, I mean, forgive me, but he literally looks like a recovering sort of stroke or coma victim.
	Like, get me off the stage.
	I, I can't do it on my own.
	She had to go out there.
	He was kind of wandering before she even got there.
	And by the way, her vigorous husband, the man full of vigor, in the past 19 days, he's held two, count them, two public events.
	December 23rd, left for vacation at Camp David.
	That's where he was for the next few days.
	Returned on the 26th.
	Very next day, left for vacation in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
	28th, 29th.
	I mean, we could keep going.
	That's her vigorous, vigorous husband, who, look, I took two weeks off.
	I'm not the president.
	And we know for a fact he wasn't talking to the Secretary of Defense for four, five days because he was off getting some secret prostate situation taken care of that even the president didn't know about.
	So it's like, spare me on the vigor.
	Nobody believes it.
	All right.
	So that's Dr. Jill and the vigorous president to whom she's married.
	But back on the subject of the media, let me meander back there for a minute.
	So our old pal, Don Lemon has resurfaced or is about to resurface.
	And I realize that the magnanimous move is to say, good for Don.
	He got canceled off of CNN and now he's reinventing himself on Twitter.
	Well, that's not what I say.
	I think he's disgusting.
	He hates America.
	He hates Republicans.
	And I'm not looking forward to his voice re-emerging other than to mock it, which I 100% plan to do.
	That's the only silver lining for me.
	So, but this is so he's going out on X. All right.
	It's like, oh, great.
	Tucker did it on X and Tucker and I got fired on the same day.
	So I'll go out on X.
	And Don Lemon comes out with a post on X saying, it starts as follows.
	I've heard you.
	And today I'm back, bigger, bolder, freer.
	I've heard you.
	Like the masses are clamoring.
	Where's Don?
	What do we need?
	You're inclining off for Don.
	Come back into my life, Don.
	Take some off of Bill O'Reilly.
	So, so here's, honestly, and like there are people welcoming Don back to the national conversation.
	And for those people and others, I just have a little reminder for you of who Don Lemon is and why we can't stand him.
	Here you go.
	Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it.
	He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
	The people who ate and abetted Trump are stupid.
	I've lived in several red states.
	There are a lot of friends who I had to really get rid of.
	Credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart one and they're y'all elitist for them.
	They're taking down the statues.
	Crime is rising as they defund police.
	Oh my gosh, it's so bad.
	You voted for Trump.
	You voted for the person who the Klan supported.
	You voted for the person who Nazis support.
	You elitist with your geography and your maps and your spelling, even though my math and your reading.
	If you're not going to get vaccinated, you don't want to social distance, you don't want to wear a mask, then maybe you don't want to go to the hospital when you get sick.
	We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men.
	Your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte, all those lines on the map.
	Only the Melitas know where Ukraine is.
	We have to stop coddling people when it comes to this and the vaccine saying, oh, you can't shame them.
	You can't call them stupid.
	You can't call them silly guy.
	Yes, they are.
	The people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the internet instead of science, it's time to start shaming them.
	What else?
	Or leave them behind.
	That was good.
	Sorry.
	Rick, that was a good one.
	I needed that.
	Oh, geez, how painful.
	What I love about Megan is she always has the receipts.
	And I remember when he was fired, we did the show and you had all of this.
	And it's like you've got this memory of an elephant where you can just put it together again and you don't forget.
	And that's what I love is because there's so many people in media that like don't have a memory about all this and think they can reinvent themselves.
	But no, we remember.
	I mean, this guy, not only all of the clips that you showed, which are obviously like horrifying stuff, but like, you know, there was, there was like, he was texting co-workers, threatening things, and like he was doing all sorts of burner phones, like psychotic shit.
	Yeah, also, little things too.
	Megan, did I ever tell you my Don Lemon story?
	Maybe did I tell you guys this?
	No, I think so.
	I was at a reception, widely, widely attended reception, and I was standing in line for a drink.
	And I waited a long time for my drink.
	And Don Lemon comes up and jumps in front of me.
	And he's like, excuse me, I need to catch an airplane.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	Well, important, famous person.
	You got to catch an airplane.
	Fine, sure.
	Go ahead.
	45 minutes later, I'm in a conversation with somebody and he's there getting another drink.
	Oh, my gosh.
	So he just lied so that he could jump in front of the line.
	So I didn't think he was that bad until now.
	Jumping people in line.
	Just random.
	That's random people.
	Well, tens of people.
	I'm sorry.
	What was he canceled for two minutes?
	He was off the air for two minutes.
	And now, like, now people are like, oh, maybe he's seen the light.
	You know, maybe he's going to come back more fair and balanced.
	Oh, sure.
	Sure, Jan.
	I mean, bullshit.
	He's not.
	In fact, hold on, stand by.
	I've got it on my cheeks.
	He's got more.
	He's shown us who he is.
	Believe him.
	This is not someone who I'm rooting for.
	I'm not, I'm not saying he should never be allowed to speak again.
	I'm just saying I don't have to personally cheerlead it or think it's a good thing or recognize that this is like some sort of important voice in the conversation and yay for Elon for making it possible for him to come back.
	He's a prick and he fucking hates Republicans.
	Hates.
	It really, to me, it bothers me because I'll tell you, it's like he's so, those clips are so perfect.
	And credit to Debbie Murphy, Canadian Debbie put that together when he got booted because it shows that it's not just a partisan thing where like Jesse Kelly will come on this show and he'll talk about the communists on the far left.
	Like the communists want this, the communists want that.
	And it's funny, you know what I mean?
	But I'm telling you, he that Jesse Kelly's not a hateful dude.
	I guarantee you he's got liberal and Democrat friends.
	Don Lemon truly hates the right half of the country, hates, and would love to see almost all of them canceled who voted for Trump.
	So no, I'm not rooting for him in any way, shape, or form.
	I mean, in that clip, multiple times, he was essentially wishing death upon people who disagree with him.
	He was like, they don't get to go to the hospital.
	He said the biggest threat to America is white people.
	Yeah.
	Like, this is insane stuff.
	Like, 20 years ago, these are like terror threats.
	You know, like, what is happening?
	Speaking of terror threats, speaking of terror threats, that brings me Mehdi Hassan.
	So Mehdi Hassan, he has no problem with the terror threats that are coming from Hamas or the actual terror unleashed by Hamas, or at least so it would seem from much of his coverage over on the, over there on MSNBC.
	And believe it or not, they finally fired his ass.
	I'm amazed.
	There must be enough like liberals or Democrats who are not woke watching MSNBC that they complained about his egregious coverage.
	He, I don't know, do we have the samba where he announces he's leaving?
	I don't think we have that one.
	He announced the other day he's leaving.
	And like he's, he's excited for what's next.
	They always say that.
	Okay, there's nothing next.
	And maybe he's going to Al Jazeera.
	And in part, we believe this is why he got the boot.
	Here's SOP 40.
	Biden and a lot of people in America may see Ukraine and Israel as the same.
	A lot of people around the world see Russia and Israel the same.
	Israel is the occupier of the West Bank and Gaza.
	So I'm wondering what your take is about separating out all of this noise, sort of the ground noise with the signal, which is what Donald Trump now faces.
	I genuinely think we need to start having a discussion about whether this guy is a flight risk.
	If the election deniers on the right win in 2022, in November, next month, to me, democracy looks like it's over in America.
	Fascism is here to stay.
	Woke is often used by conservatives as a way to complain about black people and black activism.
	Bye.
	Don't let the door hit you.
	Well, you know, Megan, something really interesting happened to the progressive left after Hamas's horrible attack on Israel, where it sort of separated the wheat from the chaff.
	And I think a lot in this quite quote-unquote woke, like very progressive left have been saying a lot of these same things over a long period of time that just hadn't gotten much attention, basically, because they're only speaking to themselves.
	And then the subsequent debate that happened after that attack and the rush to defend Hamas by people like this cat made normal progressive, like, you know, center left Democrats all of a sudden very uncomfortable, as if they didn't know what was happening under their midst.
	And it's not just happening on TV, like this is happening everywhere in media, but it's also, look, it's happening in higher education for the first time in 40 years.
	Somebody's taking a look under the hood and being like, wow, they're super anti-Semitic.
	That's incredible.
	And all of this is relatively new, but it's not new to them.
	Like these guys, this is a well-worn ideological mainstream view of the progressive left that this guy just happens to say, but now it's under a little different lens than it used to be.
	And I'm not surprised he's on the way out the door.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's a dead on point is for so long, we've seen for at least the past 20 years, you know, this kind of like ultra left progressivism, which has taken over the party.
	The beating heart of it is this extreme activist left.
	And they've gotten away with, you know, after George Floyd, there was a summer of riots.
	And that was like, oh, well, you know, riots are the voice of the unheard is what we were being told.
	And all this behavior was excused for so long and became part of left-wing orthodoxy where they're like, oh, well, you know, white people are terrorists and the worst thing in America is the white man.
	And everything was framed through the lens of there's colonialism and then there's the people who suffer under colonialism, pitting essentially everyone against each other.
	And when the American people saw these horrors of Hamas themselves filming, butchering women, children, entire families, anyone with an ounce of humanity was able to see the moral clarity of that moment, except for those ultra-left-wing individuals who have had such sway in that party for so long and felt free to come out and march on the streets saying that they support Hamas, who felt free to rip off photos of kids who'd been kidnapped from walls.
	They thought they were okay, that they'd been part of this movement, which has enabled all this behavior and that they'd be fine with it.
	And then for people like, you know, Hassan, who are on a major network, they realize that actually there's a lot of people who realize that that's completely nuts and he paid the price for it.
	And rightfully so.
	Yeah, there are a lot of people who just think that the Declaration of Independence specifically states we don't need to be lectured by a British accent and they're just ready to move on from that.
	It's been quite a while.
	Well said.
	So I will say the October 7th attack has been clarifying in so many ways, so many ways.
	And chief among them, what you just said.
	But some on the left have distinguished themselves in surprising ways.
	And that brings me to John Fetterman.
	It's been remarkable.
	I mean, I've seen some Babylon B posts on him, like man recovers brain function and realizes he's a conservative.
	It's like as he's getting better.
	And you have to, you have to say, he seems to be getting better.
	Like his sentences are coming out more smoothly.
	His words are making more sense.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a doctor, but he just, when you listen to him, he's making more sense.
	Well, both, both actually and in his politics.
	And he's been one of the most fierce defenders of Israel.
	This clip is making a lot of the round.
	And it's brave in his party.
	That's brave.
	This clip is making the rounds because he was at this event the other day.
	And South Africa of all nations is going after Israel for its human rights violations, accusing Israel of a South Africa, accusing Israel of a genocide.
	And take a listen to John Fetterman.
	Who are we?
	Who are they really fighting?
	It's a group of cowards.
	They hide in tunnels.
	They hide behind civilians.
	They attack, kill, and mutilate children, women, and they do that.
	Stop talking about proportion on that.
	They shot their best shot on October 7th, and they would have taken more lives if they could have done that, but they couldn't do it.
	And now let's also talk about that.
	Now we're talking about genocide.
	And now South Africa now is now bringing that kind of a trial.
	Maybe South Africa being going to sit this one out when they're talking about criticizing.
	Amazing, guys.
	What do you think?
	Amazing.
	Well, and hats off for Mitch McConnell replacing John Fetterman with a fat Tom Cotton.
	It's not just the Israel thing.
	I mean, he's been going after Bob Menendez.
	Yeah.
	You know, there's like, there's three or four other things that it's like, he really did all of a sudden completely change everyone's narrative about his ability to sort of cognitively think things.
	And then all of a sudden, now he's outspoken.
	He's completing sentences and he's like, I don't know, pretty conservative.
	I saw these interesting theories online of like, the last time we heard from his wife was when she was like taking the kids and fleeing to Canada.
	Like, has she come back?
	Maybe?
	Was she like kind of like puppeteering this guy?
	And then he's like, well, she's not here.
	So I guess I can say actually normal stuff.
	I don't have to say crazy stuff.
	And this is how I actually feel.
	We saw, I saw a poll the other day.
	It was like, he has something 71, 73% approval rating in Pennsylvania right now.
	And this stuff is definitely related because Pennsylvania is not deep blue.
	It's not.
	Right.
	No.
	And it's entirely changed the perception of not only how he was post-stroke, but how he was before all that.
	I mean, he was a pretty progressive leftist local leader for a long time.
	And then all of a sudden.
	It's still in there.
	I mean, I have a question for Holmes.
	I generally don't know this.
	How has he been voting in the sense?
	Is he still just like as left-wing as ever?
	Or is he starting to swing over like a cinema or something?
	No, I mean, look, they haven't had a lot of opportunity.
	I mean, basically, everything is team ball.
	They're voting in nominations because they're not doing anything else.
	And so everything is sort of Republican and Democrat.
	So it hasn't really changed that so much.
	It's mostly rhetorical, but that's the point, right?
	I mean, ultimately with all of these Democrats, they like everybody to believe that they're sort of centrists and they are thoughtful about things, but their voting behavior doesn't.
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	That's the one thing to watch with Fetterman.
	Like if he actually crosses the line and starts behaving like a Joe Manchin or a cursed in cinema, then I'm going to start being a believer.
	Well, it's that and also maybe putting on a suit.
	You know, You'll know he's fully made the transition if he gets into a suit.
	He shows up.
	I'd really like to see you.
	Maybe we could do like tax reform.
	If he's taking on the terrorists, if he's taking on the terrorists, I don't care what he wears.
	Yeah, I mean, it's nice.
	But on the Senate, on the Senate floor, still need to be in a suit.
	Sorry.
	Old school.
	Stand by.
	Much, much more.
	I have so many other fun things to get to with you guys.
	Like two of my favorite clips of the day are coming up in our next segment.
	The guys from Ruthless.
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	All right, guys, I don't know how I'm going to stitch these remaining items together, so we're just going to bang them out.
	I'm not going to pretend there's a thread.
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	This is a lot of good stuff.
	First of all, our bettors on Capitol Hill seem to have a very difficult time as of late making the case that Trump incited an insurrection.
	Take a listen.
	Let's talk about the fact that President Trump incited an erection.
	It may believe Donald John, Donald John Trump incited the erection.
	Insurrection into inciting an erection, insurrection, which he did.
	Oh, geez.
	Just some horny bad things.
	This segment brought to you by Blue Chip.
	I mean, people have accused Donald Trump of absolutely everything, but that might be a new one.
	I can't get enough of it.
	It's like my favorite thing.
	It keeps happening in that Jaya Paul's the latest to do it.
	And hers was great too.
	She knew it as soon as she was.
	What's on these people's minds, right?
	I mean, good lord.
	Get out of the gutter.
	Maybe they had just seen the Hunter Biden photos being held up by.
	I tied it.
	I tied it.
	All right, going back.
	We talked earlier about, you know, identity politics infecting people's views on things like Israel.
	And the ones, you know, silver lining is people are starting to see the light on the nonsense that is DEI and identity politics and dividing us on race and all the other stuff.
	Well, they didn't get the memo apparently over at, hold on, where exactly is this?
	Okay.
	At the All Souls Choir Unitarian Church in Washington, D.C.
	Now, this made the rounds because the Babylon B tweeted it out saying, We give up.
	We can do no better than this.
	I watched this thing.
	It was from two years ago.
	It's from 21.
	I watched this thinking, this has got to be parody.
	100%.
	This is a joke.
	The Babylon of 2022, the Babylon Bee must have been fooled.
	And as it turns out, it's 100% real.
	The lyrics were written according to the screen by Ida Bay Wells, who is the one behind the 1619 project.
	Yeah, Nicole Hannah Jones.
	She goes by Ida Bay Wells.
	And just watch and listen to these lunatics.
	A system that powerless song was more than others.
	Christmas by all of our democracy.
	Oh my God.
	I mean, you know, I think that's extremely telling because this is their religion now.
	Yeah.
	I didn't, I did not.
	And demanding absolute orthodoxy into believing in this, on its face, completely absurd nonsense is their religion.
	It's supposed to be a house of God.
	I just, I didn't think you could outdo we wish you a Mueller Christmas, but they've got it.
	They've done it.
	You got to strap.
	They all have masks on, of course.
	In 2022, strap on the mask and give it hell.
	And you know, I loved it in the bottom, the cello.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's like, hey, what do we got?
	You can pull a tune together.
	We got to get it.
	We got sopranos out.
	Let's just niche this thing together.
	Huh?
	I like gravitas.
	Yeah, they engaged a different group at the crescendo.
	It was like it was, it was arranged like it was a hymn, like in the fervor, they're like they're singing the battle hymn of the republic, but something made up by a lunatic writing something on a blog in Washington, D.C. Practice.
	It clearly required hours and hours of practice.
	And my favorite is our rights depend on whether we have the time to stand in line for hours to vote.
	Like, it's not even lyrical.
	It's not even lyrical.
	It's like they just, it's like they just chopped up an op-ed and they're like, this is now lyrics for a song.
	Not lyrical, Michael, but it was arranged.
	It was arranged.
	He was absolutely like, and now the cello and now the soprano.
	You know what I mean?
	You guys need to do a ruthless program version of this with a response.
	You're right.
	Whenever you do your singing, challenge acceptance.
	Tell me how good.
	Like these songs, it's not music.
	It doesn't rhyme.
	It's just like the orthodoxy being repeated.
	It's like super powerful.
	And like the same way that their late night comedy shows don't have jokes anymore.
	They just say their lines and the audience collapse.
	It's like it's really bizarre.
	Fellas, I don't think we're going to execute the ruthless version of this without a female lead solo.
	Oh, yeah.
Child Protective Services 00:02:12
	There you go.
	I'd like to ask at this time whether or not, Megan, you'd like to join us for this production.
	I'm in.
	I accept your challenge.
	I'm not a very good singer, but neither are any of you.
	So we're never stopped us.
	Never.
	No, that's what we love about you.
	Okay, so it kind of reminded me, this is a stretch, but I'll go there.
	Kind of reminded me of what we saw out in San Francisco, where their board of supervisors voted eight to three in support of a resolution urging a ceasefire, which is, of course, it's like, you know, we've been over this a million times.
	There was a ceasefire on October 6th.
	Tell it to Hamas.
	Israel is making sure that there can't be another October 7th right now.
	But take a look at what happened in San Francis in SAT 33.
	It's the same group of people, but on the West Coast.
	They're all masked.
	It's 2024.
	Everyone has a mask on.
	Megan, they're not all masked.
	I don't know if you noticed toward the beginning of that clip, there's a woman with a KN95 mask holding a baby.
	The baby was unmasked.
	And so my question is, if it's so bad that you're wearing the KN95 super suction, but the kid doesn't have anything, just frankly.
	It's called Child Protective Services.
	Child Protective Services ought to be called on her.
	Look at these lunatics, you guys.
	Look at these people.
	This is what we're up against.
	These people and the singing choir people in DC, like, I don't even, I don't, I don't know how, how are we going to talk to them?
	How are we going to get them out of the cycle?
	To quote John Lovitz, I can't believe we're losing to these people.
	But like, what do you think Hamas would do in that room?
	Right.
	I mean, that's the thing that always gets me so much is they're like, oh, free Palestine, you know, the Hamas is right.
	Here's my, here's my full Palestinian head right.
	Okay.
	You roll in there with the pink hair with your girlfriend and you talk to Hamas.
Fourth Grade Books 00:05:43
	And we'll see how that works out because I guarantee you, they're very different perspective.
	Exactly right.
	See how that goes.
	Well, meanwhile, these people sadly have access to our children.
	There was a story that popped up the other day where, forgive me, I'm forgetting the exact state.
	My team will remind me, but the fourth graders went to school one day and had a teacher that was a man.
	And the next day came back in and said teacher was now allegedly a woman.
	Come on.
	Fourth graders.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I have the, I have it in front of me.
	Very young.
	Yeah, it was in Washington.
	Here it is.
	Yeah, from it's lips of TikTok tweeted it out, but it's Marvista Elementary Springs School out in Washington state.
	Ms. Snyder's fourth graders had quite a surprise when Miss Angela transitioned to Mr. Angel.
	Fourth grade.
	I have a fourth grader.
	He's 10.
	They're all nine and 10 years old.
	It's a very tender age.
	And then they thought it would be a good idea to show the children this Nana, I don't know what, who is this Nana somebody reading the book, It Feels Good to Be Yourself, which is about a five-year-old boy who believes he is a girl using terms like non-binary, transgender, cisgender, intersex, gender identity, gender expression, sex assigned at birth, et cetera, et cetera, all explained.
	And here's just a little bit of Nanny Fee.
	Is that her name?
	Nanny?
	Watch it.
	What a baby's body looks like when they're born can be a clue to what the baby's gender will be, but not always.
	When people guess wrong, it's okay to let them know.
	Ruthie was five when she told her parents.
	I know you think I'm a boy, but really, I feel like a girl.
	Oops.
	Ruthie was a girl all along.
	They just didn't know it at first.
	You might feel like a boy.
	You might feel like a girl.
	You might feel like both boy and girl.
	We're like neither.
	Okay.
	Nana Cece is a little confused herself.
	Oh, it's just, you know, this is criminal behavior.
	It's child abuse.
	These people have very deep issues, mental health issues that need to be taken care of.
	And they are forcing kids to be a part. of them acting out on these impulses and these issues.
	And these kids didn't ask for this.
	And if you think a child being subjected to this kind of confusing nonsense at that age can't impact them, I had a friend who pulled their kids out of a school in San Francisco because what happened is that one child showed up.
	This is two years ago.
	One child showed up and said to the other kids that they identify as transgender.
	I believe this is in second grade.
	A week later, 10 kids said that they identified as transgender.
	The following week, there were 50 kids in a single grade who identified as transgender, which is something like 14 standard deviations out of the public at large, which identifies it, which says that these kids don't know what this means, but they're being lectured to it by these deranged individuals.
	These are impressionable kids.
	Teach them math.
	Teach them how to read.
	Have them go to recess.
	This is just, it's horrific that children are being subjected to this stuff.
	It's disgusting.
	It's totally crazy.
	It's totally.
	I will say that as a 10-year-old, if me and my buddies, when I was 10, had Mrs. Robinson show up as Mr. Robertson.
	And then they read that book like detention's coming.
	Yeah.
	Because there's no way.
	There's no way we would have been able to keep a straight face during that mess.
	It's so inappropriate that here's a picture of Nana Cece.
	Just take a look.
	You might find this.
	Ew, Nana Cece.
	She's the one reading the messages.
	Check out the glasses don't match either.
	There's one circle and one square in her eye.
	In any event, this is like, she's just the one who read the book, but this book is being unleashed on not just this fourth grade grade class.
	This is one of those books that they're sort of trying to use to make the kids more inclusive.
	You're really just trying to confuse them.
	What fourth grader needs to know the term cisgender?
	I agree with Elon Musk that that's a slur.
	I don't want to be referred to as a cis woman.
	I'm a woman.
	There's only one kind of woman.
	We don't need any preludes to woman.
	There's no such thing as a trans woman.
	There's only a woman.
	And then there are men pretending to be women.
	That's it.
	And I think, look, I think the vast majority of America is not interested in entertaining insanity on this issue any longer.
	Like, I think they've had their moment of these little liberal strongholds across the country being able to, you know, completely pervert the minds of innocent children.
	But people are onto them, you know, thanks to Chris Ruffo and others.
	I mean, this stuff is popping up and it's getting put down pretty quickly.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the falsetto.
	In the reading of that book, you get a clear sense this person isn't entirely mentally sound.
	It may not be objective on the subject.
	How about Ohio?
	How about the Ohio legislature overriding Mike DeWine's veto of the legislation that would ban those surgical procedures on minors?
	And they in Ohio, God bless those lawmakers who said, we're overruling you.
	We are implementing that ban.
Ohio Executive Voters 00:00:49
	That whole thing has been great because he tried to reject it.
	And then as soon as it became clear he was going to lose that fight, he tried to issue an executive order showing like he was actually on people's side.
	In any event, the voters had their say.
	You guys have been amazing today.
	You did two full hours.
	It's a lot to ask of the Ruthless Program, fellas.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you, Megan.
	You're the best.
	Always the best.
	Call me when we're doing our performance.
	I'm ready.
	We're going to have lyrics.
	And my mask.
	We have to make sure we're wearing our masks that read vote.
	Vote.
	Okay, see you soon.
	Okay, don't forget, I want to tell our audience who's still listening.
	Tomorrow we'll come back with Jason Whitlock, who is like the focus of the internet.
	We'll explain why when he comes down tomorrow.
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Chapters

00:00:20 Trump's Debate Strategy
00:14:50 Mastering Publicity Moments
00:30:15 The Abortion Pitfall
00:38:24 Riding Momentum Alone
00:48:24 Mika's Cruel Fall
01:03:55 Progressive Realizations
01:20:42 SiriusXM Subscription Offer
01:22:46 Bay Wells Song Parody
01:28:29 Child Protective Services
01:30:42 Fourth Grade Books
01:36:25 Ohio Executive Voters