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Regional War Unfolds 00:15:18
	Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at least.
	Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.
	Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live from SiriusXM today.
	There is breaking news out of Israel right now, where it appears the beginnings of what could turn into a regional war are unfolding.
	Hezbollah has reportedly opened up an attack on Israel's northern border.
	This is the situation many had feared and predicted.
	We brought to you the other day the former Israeli ambassador's prediction, Michael Oren, that this would lead to regional war.
	That certainly, as Israel started to consider a ground invasion into Gaza, Hezbollah might be tempted.
	Other radicalized Palestinians and Arabs in the area might be provoked into getting involved.
	And this is not what anyone wanted, but this is what Hamas's actions have led to.
	The New York Times is reporting right now that Israeli security officials have issued multiple alerts saying, quote, a hostile aircraft has entered the country and ordered citizens across the north of the country to reinforce shelters.
	In other words, it appears that Hezbollah has entered via the air and that Israel is ordering its citizens in the north to enter the reinforced shelters.
	The Israeli military called this a suspected infiltration from Lebanon.
	We are monitoring this.
	If this is true, the stakes have just gone way up in this conflict.
	And we will bring you more as we get it.
	This literally is just breaking moments before we got to air.
	In the meantime, in recent days, it seems like a seismic shift has taken place as the world's eyes are opened finally to what many had already seen, and that is the depths of anti-Semitism in our own country and around the world.
	It is stunning.
	You know, being left is one thing.
	Being a committed leftist is one thing.
	Being an open anti-Semite is quite another.
	And the amount of anti-Semitism being displayed proudly is absolutely stunning.
	It really is disgusting.
	Never again.
	If you've ever been to a Holocaust memorial, if you've been to Auschwitz, if you've been to Dachau, you'll see that there.
	Never again, never again, in all the different languages.
	This was a slogan associated with the lessons of the Holocaust.
	And yet, here we go again: the hatred of Jews, the massacre of Jews, and for the state of Israel runs so deep that a sitting U.S. Congresswoman cannot even condemn terrorists.
	Forgive me for the casual reference here, chopping off the heads of babies when confronted by a reporter.
	I mean, think about that.
	Think about that.
	I don't care what your policy is.
	You say no comment when you get confronted in the halls of Congress by a reporter.
	By the way, it was a Fox News reporter.
	It's not some random.
	You comment, you comment on that.
	It's not hard unless you have something in your heart that you don't want us to see.
	We've long known about Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib's defense of the Palestinians.
	She is the daughter of Palestinian immigrants.
	That doesn't necessarily make you pro murder of children, but in her case, it appears to.
	She's also a mother.
	She's a mother of two children, which makes this exchange with Fox News's Hillary Vaughan even more alarming.
	Do you condone what Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive?
	Reiki, went into the screen.
	You have no comment about children's heads being chopped off.
	Congressman, why do you have the Palestinians line outside your office if you do not condone what Hamas terrorists have done to Israel?
	Do Israeli lives not matter to you?
	This is the same woman who was crying a couple of years ago about children being separated from their parents at the southern border.
	That was 2019.
	She was in tears crying.
	Oh, she was so sad for the children.
	But heads chopped off.
	That's just fine.
	Doesn't even fucking sorry.
	Warrant a comment.
	Forgive me.
	Given that exchange, it shouldn't be any surprise, I suppose, that in the Congresswoman's home district last night, some 1,200 people gathered for a rally in support of the free Palestine movement.
	Some of us offer our prayers for the murder victims in Israel and others gather like they did here to celebrate Palestine at this moment.
	There, some did manage a word for the civilian lives that have been lost.
	But one of the speakers named Amir Zahair offered this take.
	When you go to a Black Lives Matter rally, you see Palestinian flags.
	When you go to a white supremacy rally, you see Israeli flags.
	This is not complicated.
	Let's get to America's top colleges and universities.
	What's happening there is absolutely horrific.
	I cannot believe that this number of hateful, dumb students have infiltrated our top universities coast to coast.
	The list of student groups now issuing support for the terror group Hamas continues to grow.
	Okay, Columbia, Northwestern, Stanford, NYU, to name just a few.
	At NYU, the president of the Student Bar Association, writing in a memo, quote, I will not condemn Palestinian resistance.
	And quote, Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life.
	Full responsibility?
	For the murder of their own babies?
	For the elderly women shot at the bus stop?
	For the 85-year-old who was murdered, and then the Hamas terrorist posted it on her Facebook page so her family would see it?
	This student, who happens to go by they, them pronouns because these people always want attention, has now lost out, thank God, on a job offer at Winston and Strawn, a very respected law firm in Chicago.
	And good for Winston and Strawn.
	She was a summer associate last year.
	She was obviously part of their diversity hire.
	She was, check out her page.
	I mean, she's a part of all the groups and wanting you to know it.
	And they should have done a simple Google search because this woman becoming a problem would have been obvious to them long before they offered her the summer associateship.
	Thank God they pulled her permanent offer.
	She was about to complete her third year at NYU and return there as an associate.
	I don't think this woman could even pass the ethics piece of the bar.
	There's an ethics piece of the bar that tries to prevent hateful people like this woman, Raina Workman, from making it as a lawyer, from getting, you can't stop the JD, but you can stop the admission to the bar.
	And that's actually what should happen to her next.
	Joining me now, Glenn Beck, host of the Blaze TV's The Glenn Beck program.
	Glenn, welcome back to the show.
	I know it's not about the college students, but the hatefulness of this group of young people, according to a report that posted on Media just yesterday, they were citing a poll.
	Only 32% of 80, of 18 to, I think it's 32-year-olds, believe that Hamas has targeted civilians.
	Only 32%.
	These young people are idiots, and they're all over our top institutions as, quote, the next generation of leaders.
	Let's just table that for one second because the big news right now is Hezbollah and whether a new front just opened in the north of Israel with an incursion from the north.
	Your thoughts on it.
	We are headed for not just a regional war, but I believe we're headed for a global war.
	You can't have Hezbollah in the north, Hamas on the south, and what will be the IRGC coming in from the Syrian side.
	It's going to overwhelm Israel.
	And I honestly, it will take a miracle to keep us out of World War III, I think.
	However, miracles have happened with Israel over and over again.
	So there's a few things I've been listening to your monologue and I want to address.
	First of all, this is a, in some dark way, a blessing if we look at it this way.
	This is the first time in human history that I know of, somebody has said who they are and then proven it.
	Hitler, when he said, I'm going to kill all the Jews, it was in print.
	It was everywhere, but nobody wanted to believe him because it was too horrific.
	He even tried to cover it with a final solution and then cover it at the end.
	He didn't want to be known as that guy.
	So we didn't know.
	This time we know.
	They say it's not, it is not about a second state.
	It is about killing the Jews, period.
	We know what they say.
	We know what they do.
	They put it on social media.
	They wanted the world to see it.
	So this goes into not only who Hamas is, but who is Iran?
	Who is Hezbollah?
	Who is the RIGC?
	Who is Black Lives Matter?
	Who are the people that are in our own Congress, in our own schools, that are endorsing this or turning a blind eye?
	This is where the blessing comes in.
	This, I think, is one of your last chances to actually get off of that death train and step on to a platform of truth.
	There is good and evil.
	And it is clear.
	I don't care.
	I don't care what was done to, let's say, us in World War II.
	If Americans would have been the ones that were tortured and killed the way they were in the death camps, I still wouldn't be for going in and shooting German families in their homes and killing their children.
	That would make us evil.
	So no matter what's happened to you, it never excuses you killing families and children knowingly.
	It's not like dropping a bomb and all your guys happen to be hanging out by a school.
	Yep, that's unfortunate.
	I don't like that.
	Nobody wants that, but that is war.
	You went in intentionally to kill civilians, to rape women, and to kill babies.
	That is as evil as it gets.
	And that evil is the same evil that says, hey, shout your abortion.
	It is the same evil that says whites are inferior and they need to be taught a lesson.
	What happened with Hamas is exactly what will happen.
	And they are for it, as you saw out of Chicago, exactly what will happen if these radical groups like BLM are in charge or allowed to fester and grow.
	They are a death cult.
	This is all about a death cult.
	It's interesting to me that if somebody 200 years ago did something like this, which we all now say is horrible, we have to pay for it.
	But if somebody does something today to Jews, I guess it's okay.
	So first thing to remember is this can be a blessing to us because we actually can see it.
	We hear them.
	We see them.
	We can recognize evil.
	Make sure you're on the right side.
	The second thing that I think comes out of this is an understanding that at least a regional war, I believe this is going to turn into the global war is coming.
	So you not only have to know who your friends are, know what side you're on, but you also have to now look at the border because we have what probably is in the thousands of enemies of America.
	You can't tell me that they're not sleeper cells in Judea and Samaria.
	And you can't tell me that there's not sleeper cells here now in America.
	When if we get into a global war, the world and the world as we know it in America is going to change.
	So the best thing that you can do is know what side you're on.
	There's no neutral here.
	If you're neutral, you're going to end up on the wrong side.
	You have to look this in the eye.
	You have to decide who you are today.
	Then you have to actively get involved by doing good and being a voice of reason, not of chaos, and stand for the things that, honestly, if you just are a political person, just dedicate yourself to doing everything you can to make the people like Rashid Khalid make sure they're not elected again.
	Make sure that you've done everything in your power to make sure that this philosophy is flushed down the toilet as it should have been a long time ago.
	Make sure you're working for an election where things will change because what you're seeing now is such an incompetent president.
	He has screwed this country up so many different ways.
	We're an unprepared military.
	Gas prices, we go to war, gas prices will easily be $10 a gallon.
	There'll be shortages of things because he has screwed us in the end.
	But you look at this.
	We are a nation that is unprepared for war for the first time in my lifetime.
	We are sitting back the way we were maybe right before World War I. That's not a good place to be.
	A moment on the BLM thing because it really is telling.
	So BLM Chicago posts, they post a picture of a paraglider, which is, of course, in part how the Hamas terrorists got into Israel to kill the innocents with a Palestinian flag or what purports to be flying from the top.
	And it reads, I stand with Palestine on the bottom.
	And BLM tweets out, that is all.
	That is it.
	This is the group, Miranda Devine was pointing this out yesterday online, that companies like Disney, Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Target, Lululemon, McDonald's, Wendy's, Coca-Cola, Peloton, et cetera, lavished money on in 2020.
	This is the group that changed Fifth Avenue in New York to where we had to have a BLM moniker on it that changed the courts on the NBA.
	This is the group that if you didn't post a little black square in solidarity with them on a certain day, people started to accuse you of being a racist.
	But there were many people who had questions about this group from the start, because as you point out, some people really do tell you who they are right from the get-go.
Hate Groups Take Over 00:09:03
	And their mission statement was very clear about what they wanted to do and dismantle the nuclear family and completely change America.
	And here they are at it again.
	I mean, openly, that is it.
	That is it.
	Exclamation.
	are loving what's happening right now, Glenn.
	And many Jewish Americans supported this group back in 2020.
	And now when they need support, it's a celebration of their murder.
	So I would, again, use this as a way to wake people up.
	If you were for BLM, you know, I'm sorry you didn't believe that it was for, you know, maybe a month or so when they first started on their own website, the end of the nuclear family, the end of capitalism as we know it, the end of the Western way of life.
	This is what is happening with the Palestinians and Hamas to the Israelis.
	That is what BLM's world looks like.
	When they say they want an end to the nuclear family, I thought that was evil.
	I just didn't realize that they meant any kind of end, even shooting them in their sleep or beheading their babies.
	This has got to be understood.
	And, you know, Megan, I'd be interested in hearing your point of view on this because there's a big, there's an argument that's happening even inside of my own building here with my producers.
	Tonight, I have Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin on on my Wednesday night special.
	And we're going to show the videos that everybody, including Israel, says don't show.
	I think those videos are so important.
	It is like having pictures of the gas chambers in 1940 and not showing them.
	I think they need to be seen because this is the evidence that shows you, look, they said they will kill all Jews.
	They've said that.
	Now here they are, and there is no way to defend killing women and children execution style on social media.
	Everybody says that shouldn't be seen, including Israel.
	I disagree.
	We have photos now of the death chamber.
	Why wouldn't we show them?
	Yeah, it's a tough call.
	I mean, I agree with, in general, with the showing of the videos right now.
	We've chosen to carve like a middle lane on it and show some, but not all.
	Just because, I mean, to be perfectly honest, I just feel like there's only so much my heart can take in bringing the show, you know, never mind my audience.
	There's just only so much.
	I don't know about you, Glenn, but like this has been weighing on me so heavily.
	It's really changing my personality these past few days.
	I, you know, you, you got to be able to function in your own life.
	You got to be able to get your kids off to school.
	You got to be able to be a loving, kind mother.
	And there's only so much I can take.
	And that's me.
	I don't mean to make me the story.
	I'm just saying like me, all these thousands of miles away.
	I can't imagine that when we're going to talk, Dr. Drew is going to be here in a little while.
	We're going to talk about like, how are they functioning the amount of terror that's being unleashed on these poor families, even the ones who survived?
	How do you go about your day?
	How do you ever live normally again?
	So I support your decision.
	And I think it's great to tell people in advance you're going to do it.
	And that way they can make the choice for themselves, whether they want to see it, you know, or they don't want to see it.
	But don't comment.
	If you haven't seen it, if you haven't taken the time to at least see some of it, then don't comment because you don't understand.
	But more importantly, it has to be shown.
	So, I mean, Megan, you and I both work.
	I worked at CNN.
	We both worked at Fox.
	You had to have special permission to take the World Trade Center footage out of the vault and show it on your show.
	And it was only really allowed around September 11th.
	I think that's a mistake because you forget that if you never again is now, right now, and they're just doing it in a different way than they were doing it in the 1930s.
	And how many people risked their lives?
	Raoul Wallenberg is a great hero.
	He risked his life to save Jews.
	He tried to get the information.
	He handed it to the Americans.
	He handed it to the Swiss.
	He handed it to the British.
	And no one would do anything.
	So all of the stories of the Holocaust were rumors and were on page 31 of the New York Times.
	This needs to be seen so no one can say, because they will, that's not true.
	That never happened.
	Those pictures need to be seen.
	You know, I can't get over the way this is being spun, even by what I would consider, quote, mainstream leftists, let's say MSNBC.
	Okay, I'll give you one example.
	Mehdi Hassan, who's just been a nightmare in his coverage of this whole thing.
	He goes after this guy, Bill Ackman, who you probably saw yesterday or the day before, Glenn.
	He's a hedge fund guy who said, all right, we've got 35 now, 35 student groups at Harvard who have said, this is all on Israel.
	We stand in solidarity with only one side, and it's not Israel.
	It's the side beheading the babies.
	And Bill Ackman rightly said, I've been being contacted by other guys in finance and on Wall Street saying, let's get a list of those names.
	Those are not people who we want working for us, which you could completely understand.
	Anyway, so let me pause it.
	So Bill Ackman says, okay, I will.
	And so groups have been doing it.
	Townhall.com released the names of these student groups who are the people who are in the student groups.
	And then you have Mehdi Hassan come out and say, oh, I thought the right was supposed to be pro-free speech.
	Thought you were all free speech warriors.
	Doesn't seem so free speechy to be canceling people like Rhino Workman of NYU for speaking out on behalf of Hamas.
	In response to which I said, you've got to be kidding me.
	Like it's now cancel culture to not want to hire a terrorist sympathizer and defender.
	I need to hire at my law firm, if I decide to hang up my shingle again, somebody who says, I'm totally fine with the murder of children and the burning of women alive.
	Yes, I think it's just.
	And in fact, it's all the fault of the victims.
	I'm good with that.
	I'm supposed to hire this person.
	Then I'm going to go look for, let's say, Jewish clients.
	Good luck.
	Good luck.
	As if this is equivalent to the left's cancellation of somebody for making tacos when they're not Mexican, which by the way, actually has happened.
	I tell you, the world is upside down, and this can be the beginning of a great awakening and a return to truth.
	It has to be.
	All of this stuff is related.
	All of this is related.
	And it's repeating itself.
	You know, the Armenians are being killed and a genocide is happening in Armenia right now.
	That happened and taught Hitler, you know what?
	We can get away with liquidating anybody we want and the world won't say anything about it.
	Yeah, he said, who remembers the Armenians?
	Yeah, nobody remembers the Armenians, but it's happening right now.
	My charity happens to have people on the ground trying to get them out of the area and protect them as much as we can.
	Most people aren't even talking about it.
	All of the evils from the past are happening and it always, always, anti-Semitism ties itself to Marxism, statism, authoritarianism.
	All of this stuff is related.
	You know, you're surprised that this is happening at the, well, you're not surprised.
	This is happening at the universities.
	All of these universities are coming out and saying just horrendous things.
	Really?
	Because you were the same universities that hired actual Nazis.
	This is the same kind of culture that was happening with the Nazis.
	Look up the German boond movement, the American German bond movement.
	It was a Nazi movement.
	There were trains that came out of Grand Central Station and went to Long Island and the Jersey shoreline every weekend that flew an American and Nazi flag on the front of the train.
	They sold out Madison Square Garden to have a rally for Hitler.
	They put an armband around the image of George Washington.
	This is the same hatred that comes from Marxism, socialism, and all the other isms that go right along with it.
	There is an idea that all men are created equal.
Constitutional Crisis Looms 00:09:04
	That means we don't all have to agree with each other, but it does mean we have to agree that all people, Palestinians or Israelis, have a right to speak their mind.
	But if you are for the silencing of other people through murder, rape, burning people alive, beheading children, I'm sorry.
	I'm not in a compact with you.
	America used to have a compact.
	We must restore the Bill of Rights compact.
	What did you make of Biden's speech yesterday?
	Just for the listening audience, we have.
	Oh, I don't.
	I mean.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I mean, what am I?
	You know, it was good.
	I mean, I know people in Israel, they had to listen to that and go, ooh, thank goodness.
	But I don't believe any of that.
	He's surrounded by Obama wannabes.
	He's the most incompetent individual.
	I have absolutely no faith that this president and the leadership that he's selected at the Pentagon can do anything but shoot themselves in the foot.
	This is the most dangerous time we have had maybe since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	We are on the edge.
	And who do we have running things?
	I mean, if he would drop dead tomorrow from a heart attack or choking on pudding, then we have Kamala Harris.
	Do you feel better?
	Do you feel like we're in control just with our strategic oil reserve?
	We just gave away seven years of our missile usage, which means it will take us seven years to manufacture those missiles so we can use them.
	If you think that China, if this starts to grow, if Israel and there's a miracle happen and Israel is able to kill this and fight this back and we go back to normalcy, then everything changes.
	But if they don't, do you think China won't go for Taiwan?
	Those are the computer chip people.
	They make the chips for the supercomputers.
	If we don't have access to those things, we can't make them.
	China will.
	And if you don't think China will take an opportunity for a three-front war, where I don't think we could even last on a one-front war, I mean, what good are the words of the president?
	I'd like to see some action, except I say that with great hesitancy because every action he takes.
	Let me ask you this.
	You're the president of the United States.
	We have hostages taken by the same kind of people that took our hostages in 1979.
	Do you have your spokesperson come out and say, you know, there are roads?
	There's lots of ways to get out of Israel.
	You could just take a road.
	Where?
	Through Gaza to Egypt, or maybe it's through Lebanon and Hezbollah, or maybe we go into Syria.
	Where are those roads?
	I have employees that have people trapped in Israel right now.
	We can't get out.
	Why?
	There's no American carrier that is flying in.
	You have to go on Lufthansa.
	Lufthansa is brave enough to say, we're going to rescue anybody who's German can come out.
	Lufthansa, the Germans are saving Jews and we're standing on the sidelines.
	What good does a speech make?
	When did we become such wusses that we will stand on the sidelines kicking rocks?
	We won't even save our own people.
	Well, where and where was even the presidential messaging on it yesterday on the hostages?
	You know, like where was the messaging of one hair on one head of an American?
	Because they don't believe it.
	Right.
	And you're going to be dealing with the Navy.
	I mean, they've already killed 14 Americans, but now we have an untold number still in jeopardy.
	And where is the strong presidential message of if you harm a single American, we're going to unleash the full force of, but he won't because he's not prepared to do that.
	I don't know what he's prepared to do.
	And in fact, if you talk to any of these experts who have been watching his conduct and the Democrats' conduct when it comes to Israel and all the past conflicts, we run out of patience.
	And it's not just Democrats.
	Condoleezza Rice famously ran out of patience after 32 days in the conflict about 15, 16 years ago.
	We give Israel a very short leash and then we run out of patience and then we tell them it's time to wrap it up.
	And I don't think they're going to listen to us this time, Glenn.
	And I don't know what Jews that leaves us in.
	I've been there.
	Megan, you've been there.
	You've been chased out through Holocaust after Holocaust, 19 of them.
	And every time the world says, get out, get out, go someplace else, get out.
	Will they finally have a place?
	They have their own homeland while our government is disarming the American people with open borders.
	You know why Russia never, out of all the plans to destroy America, they never had a plan that had them coming through our southern border into Texas.
	You know why?
	Because Texans were clear about the American Constitution.
	They were clear about communism and they were armed.
	And they knew they'd have to face the people, not just the army.
	Israel is giving guns to their citizens.
	10,000 rifles are being given to private citizens right now.
	Our government is disarming us while we have about 4 million people who we have no idea who they are.
	While we have Palestinian people screaming, gas the Jews.
	I don't know what happens if you're of that point of view and you came in from Iran.
	You came in from Gaza.
	You don't have necessarily love for America.
	You didn't come here to better your family's life.
	And you're a sleeper cell.
	Well, not only that, Glenn, right now, the leader of Hamas put out a statement calling to make this Friday a, quote, global day of jihad.
	And so, and he's asking.
	The number one ask was, yes, donations, but also the number one was to shed blood in the name of their cause.
	And so, you know, to relate it back to what's happening in America, I'm sure every Jewish community center is now under guard.
	Our friends going to synagogue on the weekend, they have to worry.
	And think about the Jewish students at these college campuses who have students, an untold number of whom, support the murder of Jewish civilians in the name of this cause and won't even get denounced by the university heads.
	These same university heads who were rushing out there to post statements after George Floyd, after one man whose life was taken by the police, now nine times out of ten, they haven't said anything, even response to the student groups.
	And I've seen the letters from Jewish students and Jewish student groups writing to the heads of school.
	A lot of them are being sent to me saying, Would you please say something?
	At most, they get a milquetoast statement, like, well, we condemn the violence that's that's unfolded.
	Not putting the blame squarely, Bert, where it belongs on Hamash's shoulders.
	So here in America, we need to worry too.
	I mean, this conflict could be coming here.
	Oh, I think it will.
	I mean, you know, look, I'm a catastrophist, an optimistic catastrophe.
	You know, I believe in Americans.
	I believe in the Constitution, and I believe in God.
	So anything can change, and Americans can wake up.
	And once they wake up, it changes.
	America is America because of her people, not her government.
	Our government, unfortunately, has gone to hell in a handbasket, but enough is out there now where people can see, oh, wait a minute.
	And when Hillary Clinton says, you know, you got these Trump people that just need to, you know, maybe we need to deprogram them.
	Are you kidding me?
	Are you kidding me?
	You mean the people who want the Constitution to be supreme, they should be reprogrammed.
	You're going to see a very different outcome because of this administration here in our own country.
	There is going to be, God forbid, terrorist activity in our own country.
	Everyone has to stay vigilant, stay aware, and has to stay prayerful.
	I mean, that's in these dark, dark times.
	That's really the only thing that makes one feel better.
	Be a light.
	Paying attention, staying connected with God.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And do what you can, like Len always does in these tragedies with his charity.
	Thank you for coming on, my friend.
Condemning Hamas Support 00:12:34
	Great to see you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	We're going to be right back with Eli Lake and some unbelievable news that I want to show to you.
	We are following some breaking news at this hour.
	The U.S. State Department just announced at least 22 Americans have now died in the Hamas terror attacks in Israel.
	That's up from 14 that we knew about yesterday.
	In addition, we are continuing to monitor what is happening in northern Israel.
	Just a short time ago, Israel's Defense Forces account on Twitter warned of, quote, suspected infiltration from Lebanon into Israeli airspace.
	There are videos circulating online of sirens going off like this one.
	Joining me now, Eli Lake.
	He's a contributing editor at Commentary and host of the podcast, The Re-education with Eli Lake.
	Eli, I begin with you, the same place I started with Glenn Beck half an hour ago, and that is, you know, if this is now turning into a two-front war with Hezbollah and Lebanon coming across the northern border, what does it mean?
	Well, I think it means it's more than a two-front war.
	It's a regional war because Hezbollah is a cat's paw of Iran.
	There has been reporting that the Iranians planned or helped plan and approved the Hamas slaughter and pogrom.
	You're seeing the sermons of Iranian clerics at the moment that are, you know, calling, as you said in the last segment, for kind of everyone to rise up, predicting the end of Israel.
	I do think that at this point, Israel has to look at this as a regional war, and it's the two-front war for Israel, but it really is a regional war.
	Here at home, there are concerns in many corners, and one of them is what happened in Dearborn, Michigan last night.
	I realize there are some people domestically who are pro-Palestinian, but that is a very different thing than in the wake of this terrorist attack saying anything in defense of Hamas, which is recognized by our own government as a terrorist group.
	Here is just a flavor of what happened at this Palestine pro-Palestine rally in Michigan last night, SAT 14.
	We are not going to be intimidated by stay silent when they say Hamas is a terrorist organization.
	The fact it is not a terrorist organization.
	And we have to say to them that terrorist is Benjamin Netanyahu and his government.
	I mean, it was a packed house in support cheering for this message in the wake of what we just saw to say Hamas is not a terrorist organization.
	I would go, I would say this: that the speaker that you just saw, the college students who have expressed their solidarity, Black Lives Matter in Chicago with their tweet that had the hang glider saying free Palestine.
	These people in the left and outside of the area are traitors, not just to, I mean, to the Palestinian cause.
	They are false friends.
	What Hamas has done, and if it's true that it was on behalf of Iran, is going to bring misery to Palestinians.
	Full stop.
	It's going to diplomatically and internationally isolate the Palestinian movement.
	It does not accomplish anything.
	And it is, in my view, racist to assume that Palestinians are savages and would endorse the savagery of the groups that purport to rule them.
	So when I see that man saying that Hamas are not terrorists and the real terrorist is Israel, I think as a Jew that it's disgusting.
	But I also think, you know, just as a human being, that this is no friend of the Palestinians.
	This is not somebody who has the best interests of Palestinians in mind.
	This is somebody who is reveling and glorying the murder of Jews, and it's disgusting.
	The report just breaking now via I-24 News.
	The Israeli Defense Force says it has not identified any impact and no reports of wounded following drone infiltration alerts in northern Israel.
	So we heard the sirens and we saw the initial reports, but they're not identifying any wounded or impact from the infiltration so far.
	That story is developing and we'll see where it goes.
	The leftist lawmakers seem to be really struggling right now on how to message this, Eli.
	I bring you Ed Markey, who is holding an event, senator from Massachusetts, yesterday.
	Elizabeth Warren is right behind him, and he decides to hit on the de-escalation message.
	It was just Monday.
	He decides to hit on the de-escalation.
	I mean, this is before Israel's even had a chance to do anything in response to the attack on it.
	But listen to how it went.
	Listen to how this went.
	There must be a de-escalation of the current violence.
	The United States should rise.
	He looks befuddled.
	And you know, this is a left-wing crowd.
	Who else shows up to listen to Ed Markey and Senator Elizabeth Warren speak?
	I think that the moment has really, I mean, I think what we heard there is zombie peace processing.
	I mean, this is the talking points of 25 years ago and the Clinton administration, the cycle of violence, looking at root causes of savagery.
	And, you know, it's hard to sort of let it go has been the talking point now for the Democrats.
	And, you know, at some point, you know, 10, 15 years ago, Republicans too.
	And it no longer applies.
	These people have shown us who they are and we have to act accordingly.
	I think the Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli spokesman have been right when they say that Hamas is like ISIS.
	I would say that, you know, they are like, you know, the sort of savage hordes throughout human history, whether they're the Mongols or the Romans or the Mesopotamians.
	But the only thing you can do in the face of such evil is to wipe it out.
	The media is complicit in that same message that Ed Markey just attempted.
	Not only do they try to downplay the evils of Hamas by, you know, the way they reference Hamas, but they are very pro-de-escalation as a norm and will probably quickly switch to that message entirely.
	I'll give you just a couple of examples that jumped out at me.
	New York Times, they published a story, Hamas Leaves Trail of Terror in Israel, and in it, they referred to Hamas terrorists.
	Then they changed, this is via Greg Price on Twitter, then they changed it to Hamas Leave's Trail of Terror in Israel and changed it from Hamas terrorists to Hamas gunmen.
	Even the president is saying terrorists.
	It's okay, New York Times.
	You can say it.
	Up north, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp, which is even further left than MSNBC, if that's possible, they sent out a memo that was leaked, their director of journalistic standards, to all their journalists saying, do not refer to militants, soldiers, or anyone else as terrorists.
	They say that's opinion, not fact.
	Even the Canadians and their government recognize Hamas as a terrorist group.
	So why won't they write it?
	I mean, I could argue that I agree with the CBC.
	We shouldn't call them terrorists.
	We should call them diabolical barbarians.
	I mean, are you serious?
	This is ridiculous.
	Was anybody having this discussion after 9-11 about al-Qaeda?
	Was anybody having this discussion after ISIS beheads American aid workers?
	It's ridiculous.
	And it seems like it's a constant kind of double standard for Israel that's in the media.
	But, you know, fortunately, the media does not really hold the same position right now in our politics and our society in the West than it did before because of, you know, alternative, you know, platforms like your, like yours or the free press.
	And in that respect, I would just say that, you know, this is, it's almost, I mean, it's, it's ridiculous, but it's not as, I don't think it's as sinister as it once was, if that makes any sense.
	What do you make of the anti-Semitism on display in so many corners?
	Because, you know, I have to say, when I see the media so reluctant to use that term, I wonder what they actually think.
	I wonder whether they have sympathy for Hamas and what it just did.
	I have to wonder, who else would hesitate to call baby killers terrorists?
	And it reminded me, this is circulating on formerly Twitter now, X, last night, and I retweeted it, of this famous exchange that David Horowitz had on a university campus, I'll get the name, in 2010, where a woman who was part of the Muslim Student Association got up and tried to cross-examine him on the speech he had just given.
	And instead, he had some questions for her.
	And it was chilling.
	We've cut a bit of it.
	Look at this.
	I'm a student here at UCSD.
	I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that's very active on campus and is hosting our annual Hitler Youth Week.
	You should come out to those events.
	Will you condemn Hamas here and now?
	I'm sorry, what?
	Will you condemn Hamas?
	Would I condemn Hamas?
	As a terrorist or genocidal.
	Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?
	I support Hamas because your question forces me to condemn Hamas.
	If I support Hamas, you won't condemn Hamas, obviously, is supported.
	I'm a Jew.
	The head of Hezbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn't have to hunt us down globally.
	For it or against it?
	For it.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	That's outrageous.
	I mean, that's somebody who has imbibed, you know, the hateful fanaticism of, you know, I guess Islamic supremacy.
	There is another kind of, you know, equally awful element of the college or academic left that has spread into other institutions, which considers Hamas to be the vanguard of armed struggle and liberation.
	And they justify this as, you know, the natural response to people living under occupation.
	And I guess my response to that kind of argument is that the reason that Israel has to inspect goods that come in and out of Gaza is because of actions from Hamas.
	And this weekend was obviously the worst, but it has been happening since the group was formed in 1987.
	I mean, Israel is not available.
	Israel's blockade is not affected by the people.
	Israel's not in.
	It's not in.
	It doesn't, it left.
	It forced settlers to leave in 2005.
	And the hope was that that would be a step towards peace.
	And instead, Gaza became a launching pad to attack Israel.
	And that's had, that's caused enormous misery for Palestinians forced to live under Hamas.
	And I'm aware that they won an election barely, very close election in 2006 of the legislature and the Palestinian Authority, but they have not stood for elections since.
	Neither has the PLO.
	But the point is, is that the people in Gaza haven't had an electoral choice for nearly 20 years.
	Hamas has no legitimacy.
	And, you know, this is what they have been planning.
	And I have to ask yourself, this is if the situation in Gaza was as desperate as people on the left say it is, then how is it that the organization that runs Gaza is able to get bulletproof vests, drones, various kinds of, you know, sensors and equipment and things to pull off such an operation like this?
Trauma and Scapegoating 00:13:38
	So it's extraordinary to kind of hear that.
	And it's very sad.
	I don't think it represents the majority of Americans by any stretch, or even really a majority of people on campus, just needs to have more courage to confront this kind of, you know, hate-filled bigotry.
	These students for justice in Palestine, those are the organizations that continue signing these letters on college campuses.
	And I would say, beware, beware of students for justice for Palestine, because if you can't look at these atrocities and condemn them, there's something wrong with you.
	I call them students for slaughter in Israel.
	Yeah, you're exactly right.
	They are.
	Before we go, Eli, how are you doing?
	Like, this has got to be taking a toll.
	It's been rough.
	I mean, I learned of the news right after I took my two-year-old daughter swimming.
	And, you know, I just kind of hugged her and thought there, but for the grace of God.
	So it's been rough.
	And fortunately, my extended family is okay.
	But I know a lot of people who have relatives who have perished.
	And it's really terrible.
	I'm so sorry to hear it.
	It's, you know, the stories of heroism coming out of Israel are just jaw-dropping too.
	Agreed.
	But right now, the trauma is acute and ongoing.
	Thinking of you.
	Thank you for coming on, Eli League.
	All the best to you.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	I love the show.
	Oh, likewise.
	Thank you.
	Love listening to you.
	When we come back, we're going to have Dr. Drew.
	We're going to talk a little bit about the trauma that the Israelis are going through and maybe that you're feeling.
	I don't know about you.
	I'm feeling it.
	And this is just the beginning of what's going to be a long haul.
	So stay tuned for Dr. Drew.
	As we all deal with this horrific story out of Israel, it's important to take a look just for a minute at the mental toll that comes from both war for those in the region and for those consuming the images and video and news of it for all the rest of us.
	We always love talking to Dr. Drew Pinsky.
	He's here with us today, host of Dr. Drew podcast and much, much more.
	Today, he's here in the studio with me.
	I'm so happy to have you here, Doc.
	I'm so delighted to be here.
	Well, I'm delighted to be in your presence.
	I'm not delighted with the circumstances we are all in.
	My God.
	I mean, you know, usually we talk and it's somewhat, there's some levity.
	We cover a range of things.
	It just feels like today it's, doesn't it just feel like there's a darkness, just like a paw?
	Oh my gosh, yes.
	And your staff, it's funny that started using that word yesterday when we were talking about coming in here.
	Like, it feels so dark, feels so dark.
	It is dark.
	And I fear the darkest hours are still ahead.
	That's what's almost more disturbing than anything else.
	And when you're confronted with these overwhelming images and sort of thoughts about what's going on, the natural thing to do is sort of dissociate from it.
	Like you either disconnect from it and go, I can't deal with it, or you're literally, your brain goes, you know, somewhere else.
	You feel like you're out of body, like you've been in a bad car accident or something, and things feel like it's a dream.
	That is actually a normal defense mechanism.
	But, you know, as it goes on, that actually adversely affects our brain, particularly young people's brains.
	You know, I've been thinking about it because I have a daughter and she's too quick to take on other people's heartache, you know, and the sum of that is good.
	You want an empathetic person, but too much is not good.
	And I always say to her, Yards, that's not your upset.
	That's somebody else's upset, you know?
	And she's getting better at it.
	This one, and usually I'm very good at compartmentalizing the news myself.
	You know, there's just so much of it.
	You've got to be.
	This one is different.
	And I do think it's because of what Glenn Beck and I were discussing a moment ago, which is we're seeing the videos.
	You see them almost whether you want to or not.
	And it's like, it's the same reason I don't go to certain Twitter accounts and I don't go to certain websites because I know that they'll put up in particular pictures of animal torture if they have a story.
	It's like I can't even see it.
	And this is human torture.
	And yet it's everywhere.
	And there's just no chance of not being affected by it.
	Right.
	There's no chance.
	That is very much the point.
	But I'm just thinking about your daughter and children and how they're being exposed to all this as well.
	Other than being directly in the line of fire, we've never exposed young people to this kind of thing on such a mass scale.
	So we really don't even know what it's going to do to them in the long term.
	I worry about this stuff.
	I worry about, I don't feel up to the present moment, I got to tell you.
	Thank you for having me in here, but this feels truly overwhelming.
	Like there's just what about the children?
	Because, I mean, there's the Israeli children, of course, and then there's our kids too.
	But there's news that Israeli parents are furiously deleting the social media apps on their children's phone because Hamas has threatened to, as the airstrikes continue in Gaza, start executing the hostages and to broadcast it on social media.
	And they, you know, of course, they don't want their children seeing that.
	I mean, Israel's not that big.
	The odds of them knowing somebody connected to one of these hostages are high.
	And then secondly, I'd love to talk about our kids back here and how much of this is appropriate to share.
	Again, I think it's none of it, really, when you get right down to it.
	Like I said, we don't know the full impact of these kinds of images on children.
	And yet, I think about my own kids.
	They were sort of third grade when 9-11 happened, and yet that all rained down on them.
	It was all television.
	It was not as though it was in their hand all day, but they saw plenty.
	And it changed their lives.
	It certainly changed their lives.
	Now, in all kinds of ways, and a lot of it is unpredictable.
	Who knows?
	Again, the thing I worry about more than anything, though, is our brains.
	We literally are flooded with cortisol and we can disconnect.
	We can, you know, our parasympathetic system can kick in and disconnect us from reality, from our body, from our feelings.
	And that on a chronic basis is not good.
	So I'm thinking about your daughter and her caring.
	We've entered this very unusual time when there's a huge value put on grandiose caring.
	I care, you know, and this on this grandiose level, that is not healthy.
	Care about people right in front of you.
	I think there's a message embedded in all this, which is, and we always get to this point anyway, right?
	The people you love, the relationships you value, double down, protect the people you love, get involved with them, spend more time with them, talk about these feelings and try to process them.
	That space of closeness we call intimacy is the way the human brain builds.
	It doesn't do it on its own.
	It needs other brains, and children eat adult brains in particular.
	And even adults go back to that same mechanism and use other brains to help us regulate and make sense of things.
	So there's a sort of a, I don't want to say that.
	I'm not going to use any positive words in any of this, but there's something to be done that could help.
	You mentioned 9-11, and it just jarred something in me.
	What we did at Fox was on the anniversary of 9-11, we would show the tape of the attacks, but the one thing we would never show was the falling man.
	I know that.
	It was multiple bodies.
	Yeah, and they've become known collectively as the falling man.
	And it's left from the museum and stuff too, right?
	It's left out.
	And I don't like that my kids were exposed to that, but that was the equivalent of what we're seeing.
	That was the part where you go, I can't, I can't handle it.
	Right.
	So this is resonating for me because it's like all we're seeing on social media about this conflict, this attack, is basically the equivalent of the falling man.
	It's the up close, personal attacks on civilians.
	And it's not to say that it's not incredibly awful to see those planes going into the towers.
	It is.
	But it is, it's just there's something else.
	It's more personal and intimate to see an individual suffering up close and personal.
	And that's what we're seeing.
	You know, like I can't get over the body of that woman in the back of the Jeep, unnaturally curved and them standing on her.
	I just, I can't get past it.
	It's just like that these non-humans are roaming around us.
	You know, the level of depravity.
	Well, this is the part that I'm really struggling with.
	I did not know that we could go back to that.
	I mean, I know human history is packed with people doing that sort of thing.
	I didn't know we're going there.
	And that's, and it's always the case that when your sense of reality gets a record scratch, like, uh-oh, I didn't, it takes a while to process it.
	I'm not there yet.
	I don't know what to make of it yet.
	And by the way, there's another casualty in all this, which is the press.
	I've noticed that I am so distrustful of everything in the press, particularly in cable media and that kind of thing.
	I look at some of the stuff and go, well, maybe.
	Maybe is somebody doing something to me again?
	Am I being manipulated?
	And that is true.
	There were multiple casualties beyond the human casualty.
	Harvard University, another casualty.
	The things that came out of the student groups the other day, okay, you're done.
	Yep.
	That's it.
	It was good to see, by the way, some, I think it was 100 professors signed a letter pushing back on those student groups.
	Steven Pinker and Alan Dershowitz and others have been speaking out.
	All of them, by the way, have been peripheralized by that institution, mind you, right?
	These are all people that have been writing public discourse and have not exactly been embraced by the mainstream at that university.
	But what about the people for whom this actually does raise trauma?
	Like there are a lot of us.
	Right?
	It's like people who have experienced real trauma in their lives.
	It could be sexual violence, could be anything.
	This actually does have a way of re-traumatizing them.
	100%.
	And I think what people don't really appreciate, I've done a lot of thinking about this, and I actually wanted to write a chapter in my book about it, and they told me it was too speculative, but history has borne me out, which is we went through really an epidemic of childhood trauma in this country.
	It was not normal.
	People went, oh, they're just talking about it.
	No, no.
	The abandonment, neglect, physical abuse, sexual abuse of children in the 60s, 70s, 80s that was unleashed in the name of a revolution.
	It's just, hey, they're little adults.
	They're sexual too.
	Oh, oh, boy.
	People went berserk with that.
	Then, of course, if somebody's been through that, they have about a certain percentage probability of being a perpetrator later.
	Then it's just awful.
	No fault of theirs.
	They were rendered that way.
	But again, it's their fault for not maybe dealing with it before they hurt somebody else.
	And as a result, we have a massive population of people with what are called narcissistic injuries, childhood trauma, and it results in a certain kind of general personality construct in this country that, let's say, is prone to rage.
	And when that rage develops, usually it gets acted out through scapegoating, like collecting together and scapegoating, thus cancellation.
	The French Revolution, it was the guillotine.
	And the message of history is a mathematical probability of 100% that if you are participating in the scapegoating, eventually you too will be up on the guillotine.
	That's just the way history works.
	That's the way humans work.
	And so we have all this going on.
	And now we have this incredible, extraordinary images that we're being exposed to.
	And of course it re-traumatized people.
	Now, the question is, are they going to do what I was saying and really try to regroup with priorities and boundaries like you're trying to teach your daughter and work with people you're intimate with?
	Or are they going to become enraged and start scapegoating?
	And who knows where that goes?
	We're seeing the press shift their emphasis.
	Looks like the scapegoating is going toward Israel now.
	And then two days ago, the scapegoating was towards the Hamas.
	Those are all scapegoating impulses.
	And I just were.
	And then if you're not scapegoating, you're dissociating.
	And dissociating is that feeling, again, I've mentioned earlier that you're out of body or you're watching something in a dream.
	And to the extent that that is a normal reaction to trauma, everybody does it.
	But if you're sort of using that day in and day out, it becomes destructive.
	Now we get news that the head of Hamas, I mean, he was on camera calling for a national or international day of jihad.
	I saw that.
	Go through all the borders.
	Did you see all that?
	That was very explicit.
	I think that was for us.
	Yeah.
	And made clear what he wants people to do and pay in blood and treasure some deposit into the Hamas account.
	And there could be some faction of radicals that actually listen.
	So Friday becomes a more tense day, especially for people who are Jewish here in America and elsewhere.
	And on college campuses, there's some, I don't even know what they're calling it, some day of solidarity tomorrow, right?
	So these like, I don't, if you're a Jewish American right now, you're facing what, a demonstration on your college campus pro-terrorist.
	Then the next day, as you go into the Sabbath for Jews, you got to worry about showing up at your synagogue, right?
	That it's going to get targeted.
	In New York, we see it.
	Like, you go to the Jewish Community Center, they've got the huge, those, those huge cement blocks out in front of it because they know already, even in peacetime, their targets.
	Right.
	Because they're Jewish.
	That's it.
	And on a day like, it's just like the level of trauma and concern and fright.
	Like there's got to be real fear is rising.
	Like I can feel it rising.
	Yeah, I can't do it.
	But that's scapegoating.
	That's the same mechanism.
	By whom?
	What do you mean?
	Who's scapegoating?
	Somebody's scapegoating the Jews.
Premeditated Torture Questions 00:07:38
	That's always been the mechanism that they've used.
	That's what Hitler uses, everybody used.
	They use it.
	They take a population, they dehumanize them, and they scapegoat them.
	And that's how you're able to carry out terror.
	They are not humans in your mind because humans are capable of dehumanizing other humans and scapegoating them for all your problems.
	What about Scott Adams posted this online, and I'm sure you know about this drug, Captagon?
	Yeah.
	And there's some speculation, that's all it is, that this drug may be playing a part somehow amongst the Hamas terrorists.
	What is Captagon, and why are people wondering about that?
	So when you look at these behaviors of the terrorists, let's, I mean, how can we call them anything else?
	I don't understand, but okay, terrorists.
	You think to yourself, how is this possible?
	How could a human behave like beheaded babies and things?
	You think about it and you just pull away, you cringe.
	And one of the ways through particularly 20th century history that people do stuff is with drugs.
	And Captagon is widely distributed through the Middle East.
	It's not available through the West.
	It's a very, you know, when I did some research on it, it was very shrouded in sort of mystery.
	Like I could not figure out why it was made illegal in the West.
	It was originally an amphetamine substitute.
	It's a pro-drug.
	It's converted into by your body, your liver, to amphetamine and theophiline, essentially.
	And in principle, it should be milder than amphetamine.
	Pro-drugs sometimes are, but it seems to be more intense, seems to cause more inflation, which is really one of the dire side effects of methamphetamine in particular, which is you feel agitated and bigger than life and justified in your every move.
	And some sort of, again, we've talked about dissociation.
	There's some dissociative quality to it where you're just sort of not all there.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, too.
	So it actually, I mean, perhaps whatever, but perhaps these are not normally the inhumane monsters they were on this day.
	Like this drug could actually push you to do something that you wouldn't do without it.
	It's highly speculative, and I think you'd have to use a lot, and you'd have to probably use it for a while to get to that point.
	But it's possible.
	It's possible.
	My brain is trying to wrap its head around what is going on here.
	Well, and I'd rather believe that it's a drug than an actual human heart.
	Right.
	Again, look at history.
	I mean, you know, the Huns and whatever, humans have done this.
	They did say that Hitler was a big fan of snorting cocaine.
	And amphetamines.
	Amphetamines were used very widely.
	And the military uses amphetamine.
	They do.
	It just does.
	But this drug in particular seems to have some mysterious properties that I couldn't fully tease out of the literature.
	So I'm worried.
	And also they say that there are some properties, some illicit manufacturing is including, quote, something else.
	And my suspicion is there may be like an opiate or something in there as well, which also makes you not feel anything.
	Well, I mean, we've had, you know, as you point out, terror for a long time.
	Just look at ISIS.
	They weren't all on Capstagon.
	This is all that.
	Well, it's been around since them too, but yes, I don't think they were.
	But this is that again, is it not?
	It's just on a scale that we just can't manage.
	Well, and I think about, you know, think about the Israeli soldiers, right, on the other hand, who I don't know that they're going to need an amphetamine, but they're going to need something.
	You walk in on Etikibutz and you see 40 dead murdered babies decapitated.
	I don't know how you come back from that.
	I mean, the reporter who we aired yesterday from I-24, she could barely keep it together.
	It doesn't sound like she saw it.
	It sounds like she just spoke to the soldiers who saw it.
	And she said they were holding each other.
	Like, these are young guys.
	These are not, not everybody's like a seasoned, grisly old general who's seen it all.
	Like, most of these guys are relatively young, and they've been, you have to go do your couple years of military service there.
	They heard what was happening.
	They rushed to serve.
	I mean, they're not prepared any more than you or I are to go see this.
	Yeah, it makes me wonder if there was something premeditated in that particular torture.
	In that, and I don't, you know, I'm not a military person, so I don't know, but I have lots of military friends.
	And the ones that really struggle with stuff will often bring up children.
	Like something happened to a kid.
	I couldn't, your brain just can't regulate.
	It shatters.
	You see that in prisons, right?
	Like, who are the bad convicted killers who may be serial killers going to go after?
	The child molester.
	Like, there's even a code amongst the worst of the worst that you don't touch children.
	That's a human thing.
	And again, to be able to do that is the part that you just go, I can't.
	But then maybe there's something in it to try to disable these people that come into it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So yesterday we began the show with that news about the babies, and I could barely get it out.
	I could barely say it.
	Much like that reporter.
	She said that she choked on it.
	And by the way, let's remember: was it World War I, the Belgian babies that were tortured?
	That got everybody into World War I. That's how they pulled everybody in.
	Well, here's my question.
	Now I've seen so much about it.
	We saw the Fox News reporter trying to get Rashida to lead to comment, Talib to comment on it, and she wouldn't.
	I've said it in passing here on the show a few times.
	It doesn't seem like a phrase you should ever be able to utter casually.
	You know, beheaded babies.
	But I worry because now I myself am guilty of it.
	Like I've tweeted it a couple times to shame people who are defending these Hamas terrorists.
	I don't understand how in the face of that kind of evil, they can't see, right, that who's in the right and who's not on this particular thing.
	Is there danger in repeatedly referring to something that atrocious, right, in short form or casually to where like even saying it now, it's not quite as hard as it was yesterday.
	So very quickly we desensitize.
	So we go from dissociation and pulling away to just getting used to it.
	And what's that bad or is it good?
	Is there any value on it?
	It's how we work.
	It's a mechanism that humans have to survive everything.
	Let's face it.
	I mean, we can tolerate, we can make the extraordinary commonplace.
	I mean, we just get used to everything.
	It's how our brains operate.
	Is it bad?
	Yeah, it's bad.
	We should never have anything other than extraordinary disgust and moral outrage.
	Now, what the press is starting to do is now we're starting to see images of Palestinian children.
	So we're going to create this equivalency thing that, because the images are equivalent.
	The question is, how do you make equivalency out of somebody who's in person doing it versus a response that has collateralized stuff and allowing this is the part that's troubling me right now is whoever's allowing these citizens to stay around targets, that's equally as disgusting.
	Of course, it's 100% of the Palestinians.
	This is what Hamas does.
	This is what they do.
	I mean, this is not speculation.
	They actually use their civilians as shields.
	They tell them not to leave the targeted areas because they're hoping they won't get targeted if they have civilians with them.
	And then they make sure that the local media puts the children on the air and not the fighters as they go in and out of the hospitals.
	It's all a propaganda war.
	Even some of these videos coming out of the Israelis who have been murdered are from Hamas.
	They're proud of it.
	They're trying to terrorize.
	They're now, I saw a demonstration today where they were gloating over the pictures, young males gloating over it.
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	Look at this.
	This is what you deserve.
	How far are we from 1938, 1942?
	It's just...
	You can't negotiate with that.
	You cannot, like all these people online say, you got to talk to them.
	There's no talking with baby killers.
	It's done.
	There's only one thing to do, and that's to annihilate them.
	I completely understand Israel's strategy and support it.
	I realize it's going to have global implications, but I just, there's no talking to somebody like that.
	Israel can't go on with these people on their border.
	All right, stand by.
	We're going to squeeze in a quick break and then we're going to come back.
	We're going to change the topic.
	We're going to talk about some of the latest COVID mania.
	The New York Times is still at it.
	It's still at it with that same reporter who's gotten so much wrong.
	Dr. Drew's been talking about this from the start.
	We'll pick it up there as we turn the page for a moment from the darkness of Israel.
	Stay with us.
	Two notes on the breaking news.
	I want to tell you first, this from the New York Times.
	After sirens throughout the north sent a shiver through Israelis fearing a possible attack from Lebanon, the Israeli military has now chalked up the alerts to an apparent malfunction.
	There is no security incident in Israel's north, said a military spokesman, Daniel Hargari.
	He added that officials had received a report about drones that the military was still looking into, and I'm sure will continue to.
	And a second piece of breaking news, it appears the GOP has picked its new speaker of the house, and that man will be House Majority Leader Steve Scalese.
	That's very interesting.
	He was sort of the number two.
	Well, he was not sort of.
	He was the number two guy under Kevin McCarthy, but he's been undergoing treatment for cancer.
	And so many believed he would not want or perhaps would not just win enough support for the job.
	We're going to cover that much more tomorrow when the ruthless guys join us.
	So, Dr. Drew, we got to go over a little bit of COVID accountability.
	Really quick, one first medical question.
	Do we know what type of cancer?
	Because so many cancers now are quite treatable.
	My team is going to look it up.
	Okay.
	Don't remember off the top of my head.
	Because when people hear cancer, we can do a lot with cancer these days.
	I'm a cancer patient.
	I have prostate cancer.
	I'm 12 years out.
	Well, thank God.
	Yeah.
	We'll find out.
	Blood cancer.
	Multiple myeloma.
	So there's myeloma and there's myeloma.
	It's not a very treatable condition, really.
	We like to think we treat it, and sometimes we probably are, but it's usually kind of smoldering, too.
	It doesn't torch out very quickly.
	My first reaction is you don't want to see a doctor make a face you just made when you say you're kind of cancer.
	Oh.
	Yeah, well, it's myeloma is because mostly I was thinking about how am I going to present this because it probably soon is going to be a highly treatable cancer.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, fingers crossed.
	Yeah.
	Say a prayer for Steve Scalise.
	He's got a lot on his plate.
	Okay.
	So this is what an honest doctor sounds like when they tell you they don't know or this is what they're wrestling with.
	Rational uncertainty, Megan.
	That is what science is about.
	Skepticism and rational uncertainty.
	We've been through this bizarre three years of irrational certainty.
	Yes.
	Dr. Freman framed that for me that way.
	I was like, oh, God, you are so right.
	I love it.
	It is irrational to be certain about any of this.
	And so please, everybody, stop it.
	So the person who's more certain than any of us is not a doctor.
	Correct.
	She is a reporter for the New York Times.
	And amazingly, she still has her job despite so many embarrassing reports that they've had to take down.
	Hold on.
	Let's call it what it is.
	Misinformation.
	Yeah, I mean, it's misinformation.
	With a capital M. If that's what we're going to call being wrong, is misinformation.
	We call them being right misinformation, by the way.
	So, what are we going to call being wrong?
	She just runs with it.
	I mean, she doesn't even pause anymore, notwithstanding her many misinformation incidents.
	Her name is Aporva Mendovili.
	And this is the person who grossly overstated the number of children who were hospitalized by a factor of like 900 times thanks to COVID.
	I mean, over and over again, she makes mistakes to be charitable, and they're always in the direction of COVID hysteria.
	Of course.
	So she's still on the beat.
	Just a couple days ago in the New York Times, she prints, feeling terrible about your COVID shot, then it's probably working.
	And she goes on about how it just means you have a vigorous immune response and you have more antibodies.
	And somebody who we both really love and respect, Vinay Prasad, one of the good doctors on COVID.
	He's not a lunatic one way or the other.
	He's been so measured.
	He is an oncologist.
	He's an academic oncologist who I found years before COVID.
	He had a podcast called Plenary Sessions, where he would evaluate medical literature.
	He is clairvoyant, and I don't mean literally, but his ability to penetrate medical literature.
	It caught me right away when I found that podcast five years ago.
	And then he became a rational skeptic in regard to COVID.
	And now he's been on the warpath a little bit lately.
	He's great.
	Well, now he sees.
	I mean, now we have the evidence of how wrong everybody was, and he was on it.
	So he tweets out: Dear New York Times, this is an appeal to the real journalists and editors who work there.
	Please take a look at the several articles I have written about errors by a porva Mandavilli.
	These are basic journalistic errors that mislead the public.
	Come on.
	You must want to be balanced.
	Oh, oh, Vinay.
	Journalism is not just advocacy for the misguided.
	And then he goes on to say, please look at her articles more closely.
	Sincerely, a concerned doctor and researcher.
	They don't want to be balanced.
	They don't care about misleading the public.
	Notwithstanding, Dr. Drew, I do listen to their podcast, The Daily, usually most mornings, because I like to get my news from the left and the right.
	And I heard this.
	This was not part of the actual podcast.
	This is like a promotional ad that was run in between content.
	Listen to what they said just today.
	I'm Brian Rosenthal.
	I'm an investigative reporter at the New York Times.
	The New York Times does not publish until we can prove that something is true.
	Not publish.
	They do not publish until they can prove something is true.
	Has that been your experience with Aporva Mandeveli and COVID?
	And anybody at the New York Times can be true?
	It's why I stopped reading the New York Times.
	I started realizing I was being misled a lot of the time.
	And I just, that is an astonishing statement that they could say that.
	And by the way, prove that something is true.
	That already is that irrational certainty.
	We can ascend to the truth.
	We cannot prove the truth.
	And by the way, I could just got to talk about that all day, but that is disgusting, frankly.
	And when I got first thoroughly disgusted with the New York Times, it was when their editorial board demanded lockdown, demanded.
	And I thought, why do you have a seat at the table?
	You've suddenly learned about this non-pharmacological intervention and you have an opinion about it.
	You should not.
	Same thing happened with the medications that became words that you were unable to speak.
	Literally, if you spoke the word of certain medication names, you'd be deplatformed.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And now they're being recommended.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And these are inert medicines.
	They're nothing.
	And I remind people that, can I say the I word in my latest?
	Yeah, yeah, you can go for it.
	Say loud proud.
	If you're an asylum seeker for other countries, the CDC requires you to take five days of ivermectin.
	You're immediately given the ivermectin for five days because it's nothing.
	And hydroxychloroquine, that's a medicine that we are, as physicians, are told to keep our lupus patients on during pregnancy.
	That is the only medication I'm aware of that is recommended to continue during pregnancy.
	I mean, just blanket.
	I don't think pregnant women should do anything to their biology personally.
	I just make them.
	It makes me nervous.
	But here's a medication that people who just learned to speak, pronounce the word, had massive certain opinions about it.
	We should be very unhappy with that.
	And this is more of the same than with what she's doing.
	And it's not just, of course, the New York Times.
	You know, we talked on the show recently about Travis Kelsey, the football player out there.
	He says, I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer.
	Great.
	I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer.
	He's pimping out the Pfizer vaccine.
	I had criticism for him because who watches Travis Kelsey?
	It's young men.
	That's who looks at him as a hero.
	Those are the least likely to need it and the most likely to be hurt by all these, you know, the seventh booster.
	And this is something Veni Prasad has been doing a very good job of calling attention to, the risk of myocarditis in young men.
	And this is, and I got some blowback for it.
	I mean, nothing, you've been there.
	But the point is, like, the people who were mad that I was criticizing this were like, the vaccines have saved far more people than they've hurt.
	And many more people get myocarditis from the vaccine than get it, or they get it from COVID than get it from the vaccine.
	And my point has been, okay, at this point in 2023, almost 2024, everyone's had COVID.
	Correct.
	These vaccines don't prevent the spread.
	So if you have natural immunity, why and most people have had shots.
	So at this point, if you are a 19-year-old man who's looking up to Travis Kelsey, you may have had a vaccine and you almost definitely had COVID.
	Why the hell would you get another booster increasing your risk of heart scarring?
	Why would you do that?
	Well, there's a lot packed into that.
	And let me just conclude my little diatribe about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
	I'm not fans of those medicines.
	I don't think they do much.
	We have a different medicine that works like crazy.
	I use it to my elderly patients all the time.
	It is called Paxlovid.
	And if you're so worried about having a severe episode of COVID and you're a 40-year-old male, let's say, you need not worry about that now because we have Paxlovid.
	Now, it's only been studied over 60 and 65, but people are using it middle-aged people all the time, and it works.
	So why the push for the vaccine?
	Why the mandates for the vaccine?
	And that is the part that is extraordinary.
	So I want to fill in some of the details of what you were just saying.
	We don't know.
	Well, let's say it's true that you're more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the vaccine, which is not clear.
	That's not clear.
	Making a healthy person sick because of something, an intervention we do as physicians, do no harm, is completely violated by that principle.
	It's by the COVID vaccine.
	The principle is violated.
	So we are making a healthy person sick.
	Okay, that is a problem.
	Number two, it's more common than we thought.
	And if you remember when they were starting to, this was starting to percolate up, people are like, well, it's mild, it's mild.
	It's no big deal.
	It's self-limited, blah, blah, blah, in my world throughout my entire career, 40-year career, myocarditis is a medical emergency.
	It's a dire problem.
	And a publication just came out five days ago in circulation, a major cardiac cardiology journal.
	It's called Circulation.
	An excellent study, and it showed it took my breath away.
	I didn't know why it wasn't headline news.
	I suppose it has to be reproduced, which I totally endorse.
	But the study itself took my breath away.
	It was a large study, and it showed that about approximately half of the young males that got myocarditis had permanent heart damage.
	Permanent.
	That means that we don't know what percentage are going to be disabled by this as they get older or can develop heart failure or going to need cardiac transplants, some of them.
	It's breathtaking, this study, and why it wasn't a big headline.
	And I've sort of sent it around a little bit because I don't understand why people aren't reacting to it.
	And, you know, one study does not truth make, right?
	You want to be skeptical.
	You should be.
	It needs to be reproduced.
	But this was a terrible, terrible thing.
	So my question is, and by the way, just for the full of record, my elderly patients are all fully vaccinated.
	And those that want the boosters, they get the boosters.
	I've seen almost no adverse event in the elderly patients.
	So some of them are starting to say that maybe something is going on, but we're watching that.
	And they benefited because elderly people have a lot to gain.
	You're 85 years old and you get COVID.
	It's a serious thing.
	So the risk of the vaccine is worth it.
	In a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing.
	So the risk is, so the vaccine is all risk.
	Why the push?
	Why are we pushing?
	And I think, put your legal head on for a second, that universities are going to be in big trouble for having mandated young people to get that vaccine because people are going to get sick and they're going to have long-term consequences and they should sue those schools for having forced them to take the medical intervention.
	100% they should sue.
	And if anybody tries to force you from this point forward, get a fake card.
	It's not that hard.
	Go ahead, Google it.
	Get a fake card.
	And again, don't comply.
	We have a good treatment.
	We have Paxlovid.
	Why?
	And people have all kinds of things.
	You're going to say, you have to say you've gotten the shot to get in.
	Get a fake one.
	Just Google it on the internet.
	It's bullshit.
	And they're going to create these bullshit rules.
	You can create your bullshit way around them.
	It's all just like a theater.
	So let's, okay, let's act.
	I'll act like I've gotten my 50th booster and you can act like you're satisfied.
	I'm telling you the truth.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	That's how I feel.
	We've got some guests in the studio.
	They're on my side.
	Just consult with the attorney here if you get in any trouble.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I got you.
	I do want to talk about, you know, deaths because every other week, you know, there's somebody in the news who had like a heart attack and went down on a football field or a baseball field or just in the news or what have you.
	Men and women.
	And, you know, my friends and I are having this debate.
	You know, is it more than it's ever been?
	Or are we just seeing it more because of social media and because people are, you know, they're on edge thanks to all the COVID vaccinations and COVID itself?
	What's your take on that?
	Excess deaths are up.
	They're up in people under 40.
	Why is this not an international crisis?
	And why are we not trying to figure out what is in there in those excess deaths and why are they happening?
	A guy named Ed Dowd, I've been working with on my podcast regularly, and he's a numbers guy.
	He's a financial analyst, but he noticed these trends.
	And he has all these actuarial friends and insurance companies' friends, and they're telling him, oh, yes, there's a problem.
	We're going to be just follow the money.
	They're going to start charging more insurance to compensate for this.
	So there is something going on.
	People are quick to dismiss it as, oh, well, of course, the lockdowns caused mental health problems and the substance use and the fentanyl, but surely are in there.
	But when they have teased it out a bit, that's not all that's in there.
	There's a lot more stuff going on.
	And why are people not urgently the level of, by the way, excess deaths, it's not like it was during the pandemic, but usually after a pandemic, excess death goes down because vulnerable people die in the pandemic.
	And so those people that would have died in the following year don't die, but it's gone up and stayed up.
	It's shocking.
	And people correlate it with the, this is a correlation, not a causation.
	Be careful, everybody.
	You can track it to the beginning of the distribution of the vaccine.
	What do you know about blood clots and women?
	Because now we are getting reports of irregular menstrual cycles and like excessive bleeding by women after they take the vaccine.
	Even the officials are now acknowledging this.
	And I think, you know, that gets a lot of women thinking about like, if it's changing the blood in my body, does that mean it's changing my clotting?
	And, you know, there's a lot to do with that.
	First of all, I want to talk about the women part of this because I am dead guilty on this.
	I was talking to Naomi Wolf, and she brought this up, and I went, no, Naomi, women's periods, almost anything changes them.
	Come on, come on.
	Yes, they got a treatment.
	And yeah, okay.
	Do you realize how sexist that is when a male does that?
	It's not sexist.
	I raised this with Brett Weinstein.
	I poo-pooed him raising this early in the pandemic, and I'm pro-woman.
	Well, good.
	You're making me feel better.
	I felt very guilty for that because I was dismissive and I should have just listened.
	And she's made a lot of it.
	And it turns out it's true, number one, and a lot of women are having real concerns about it because it's persistent enough that it's affecting fertility.
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	And the mechanisms are not yet fully worked out.
	They found spike protein in the ovaries.
	It accumulates there.
	They think that might be part of it.
	Liquid nanoparticles, the shell of the vaccine is also found in the ovaries.
	As well, they're finding, as you're suggesting, microclots in the uterus that might be increasing to the sloughing.
	We don't know yet because no one's doing the right studies.
	And there is some, here's another issue you probably don't know, but that has me more, as a physician, more almost more concerned than anything.
	And I've talked to RFK Jr. about this, and he is clear that something is up.
	There is something up with the major medical journals where the editorial process has become adulterated.
	In my 40-year career, I read the medical literature.
	I pour over it.
	I read it carefully.
	And there's always, has been, there has always been a back and forth on any topic in the medical literature.
	It's not, things don't go automatically to the truth, as we were saying earlier.
	There's a back and forth in the literature.
	This is so.
	It is not so.
	Look, this data is looking encouraging.
	This data looks not so encouraging.
	It has gone one way since the beginning of COVID.
	And narrow the tween shall meet.
	You're not allowed to bring up anything else.
	Great example of this was that Danish physician that did the study on the fact that early on in the distribution of the COVID vaccine, 10% of the vials of the product was responsible for 90% of the adverse effects.
	There was an excellent done study.
	Wow.
	It took her two years to get that published.
	They should have been running to try to figure out, well, what happened here?
	What's going on?
	Why did this happen?
	Instead, they're like, oh, no, no, no.
	Nothing to see here.
	So there's something up.
	So you've got the medical journals for sure.
	I mean, we saw that just in the willingness to run cover for Dr. Fauge.
	No, lab leak.
	No lab leak.
	Well, that was nature, though.
	That was a scientific journal, but Lancet publishing that article, what was it?
	They invented an organization that it was nonsense, total nonsense.
	So you've got those publications.
	You've got, of course, the New York Times and the mainstream media that's still, that's still, you know, it's still controversial for me to say, why is he being a Pfizer poster boy?
	You know, why is he telling young men that they need their sixth booster?
	It's BS.
	No, all the pushback.
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	You're not allowed to say that.
	And that leads us, and not to mention the undermining of public health trust.
	That's gone.
	And like I said earlier, the media.
	I don't trust anything now about Israel.
	I can't trust anything about anything.
	Right.
	So the hangover from the dishonesty here is still with us.
	To the point where you sat down and said, my first instinct is, are they trying to hurt me?
	What are they doing to me?
	They're manipulating me.
	What are they doing?
	What are they doing to me?
	I feel manipulated.
	What's happening?
	So if you were, let's say, you know, we get a different president elected there in 2024 and they called you up and said, Dr. Drew, how do we rebuild this?
	Is there a way?
	Is it too late?
	Well, RFKJ needs to win.
	Well, he said something that caught my attention.
	Again, I don't know who I want to vote for.
	I'm so moderate.
	I'm swimming in all this myself.
	I can't pick a direction, frankly.
	But he said something that caught my attention.
	He said, I'm going to call the three major medical journals in, and I'm going to say I'm going to prosecute under the RICO laws unless you clean this up and tell me exactly why you've been this way and what's going on and what's motivating you and what your financial interests are and who's been muscling you.
	And then I'll think about not prosecuting him.
	Oh, that's exciting.
	That's good, right?
	Yeah, I mean, he's a lawyer.
	He could still do it, even if he's not president, by the way.
	Well, and at least DeSantis said he would make him in charge of some agency or use him in the DeSantis administration.
	I don't know about Trump.
	They're getting ready to unleash hell on RFKJ with some sort of OPO research dump because he's worried about him stealing from him if he becomes the GOP nominee as running independent or libertarian, what have you.
	In any event, I'm actually, full disclosure, I'm moderating a panel with him on October 28th in San Jose with him and Aceem Malhatra.
	Have you interviewed Essime?
	You had a cardiologist who started raising the flags about the cardiac effects of the vaccine early.
	So I'm interested in what you just said.
	Are you considering voting for Joe Biden?
	No.
	Yeah.
	I was like, how?
	I'm sort of considering not voting, I think, is what I'm considering.
	I know that.
	Really?
	I don't feel like I'm, I just feel awash in all of this.
	Steyerwalt was on the show last week, and he said, Chris Dyerwalt, and he said, there's a Republican Party, there's a Democrat Party, and then there's a certain amount of Americans in the I Want to Puke Party.
	That's me.
	I mean, I've been independent for a long time.
	In California, you can re-register every 10 minutes if you want.
	So I've registered all over the place many, many times, but I've generally been independent.
	The problem with independent is they stick you in the independent party, which is a different thing.
	You have to really make it a human being.
	You can't vote primarily.
	Exactly.
	But I don't know.
	I'm just sitting here looking at the excesses on both sides, and I want to puke.
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	I know.
	The thing is, it's like, you know, I've got my problems with Trump for sure.
	You know, his temperament, you know, infamously, that's what I asked him about, and that's one of them.
	But you think about what's happening right now with Israel and like, does anybody believe this would have happened had Trump been in office?
	I don't believe that for one second.
	I think we were safer.
	It would have been different, that's for sure.
	They're afraid of him.
	He's too unsteady, which is a good thing when it comes to foreign policy.
	It may not be so great when it comes to his Twitter feed and keeping the American psyche at ease over the course of the presidency.
	But when it comes to foreign policy, that same destabilizing effect he has on us, he has on them.
	And that's good.
	Yeah.
	You know, so I, I mean, and but I just feel like with Joe Biden, I feel like his performance policy has been an absolute disaster.
	And I, you know, I've become a single-issue voter on the transing of children, like what the surgeries on children before they hit age 18 just seem absolutely barbaric to me.
	Well, my fundamental position on that is that these are medical interventions, the surgeries, the medication, the hormones.
	These are doctors prescribing, surgeons executing the surgeries.
	And I've seen them benefit people.
	I have.
	You have to be very open to the idea that there are certain people for whom these interventions are beneficial.
	I've also seen disasters, which means that we aren't getting it right as doctors.
	We have not picked the right treatment for the right patient.
	I don't think the doctors are even trying.
	Most of them are just a lot of people.
	Well, that's a much bigger problem.
	If we don't get it clear that not every patient is the same, not every treatment is the same.
	You have to get the right treatment for the right patient in the right order at the right time in their life.
	And that is on us.
	And when we do harm, again, this do no harm has been cast out the window in the last five years.
	It's just, I live by that.
	And that's just simply gone now.
	And so you have to pick a side and pick a narrative and forge on.
	And that is where people get hurt, both on the COVID side and on the transition side.
	So rounding back to what you were saying about the ongoing depression and so on coming out of COVID and these sort of deaths of despair that we've seen and now the Israel thing.
	People are, I'm sure, feeling down, depressed.
	Like this, the news cycle can do that to you.
	Never mind your COVID hangover and the changes to your life.
	So what should people do?
	What are some things they can think about doing?
	I hinted at it earlier, which was spend time with people you care about.
	That is how humans heal.
	That is how humans find meaning.
	Can I tell you something?
	So I've been like trying to avoid my children because I've just been in such a dark mood.
	I don't want to be like the pigpen cloud over them.
	Like it's the world is terrible.
	No, I understand that.
	Spend time with other adults before you go to kids.
	Yeah.
	Regulate that stuff.
	But then when I like I sit at dinner with them and I hear about their wonderful lives, my daughter's in a school play.
	And you're like, then I'm like, oh, yes, this is good.
	This is good.
	But I shouldn't speak.
	I should just let them speak.
	Well, that's good.
	That's good.
	And it's feeding them and you, right?
	It's doing both.
	But it's perspective taking.
	It's being grateful for what you have.
	It's having faith in something greater than yourself.
	These are all basic principles that humans need to be healthy.
	And I've noticed, you know, I come in and out of this city all the time and I've noticed things are not good here.
	Things are changing.
	And the Israel thing put everybody even more on edge.
	But I also noticed people forging ahead.
	I hope they continue, that businesses are still opening.
	People are going out to the restaurants.
	People are spending that time and breaking bread with other people.
	That to me, it just hit me last night because I was feeling all the negative up until last night.
	And I was looking around and thought, no, there's something, there's a driving force here.
	I'm not sure.
	I'll tell you my full thought.
	My full thought was that's people in their middle ages.
	It's not the younger folk.
	I don't know what's going on with them.
	We got to get them onto the ship here.
	They need to start having more sex.
	That would help.
	I can talk all about that too.
	They're not having any sex.
	That's what all the studies show.
	That's correct.
	Depressing.
	It's depressing.
	It's astonishing.
	There's a lot.
	You want to just go down that road?
	Because there's a lot in there.
	How shiny we have to just make sure I know.
	Two minutes?
	Okay, two minutes.
	He's holding up a two.
	So, so, because I have millennial kids and stuff, and I was around all the millennials.
	It started with the males wanting to be good, good guys.
	They didn't want to be seen as toxic.
	They didn't want to be seen as predatory.
	And this was all going on when they were in high school and college.
	And certainly they wouldn't want to be seen handing a woman a beer or an alcohol and then talking to them because you could be seen as predatory.
	And as a result, they missed some of the milestones of development, of forming relationships, of learning how to date.
	These are healthy things that they just missed because they were just honkered down and frightened and fearful of being seen as somehow toxic, a toxic male.
	I started seeing some things happen a few years ago.
	By the time they hit their sort of mid to late 20s, they would get obsessed about somebody.
	They didn't know how to sort of measure a relationship and whether it's going to work.
	They would just start, they become their best friend and start stalking to them.
	Any of you in your 30s that has a best friend male, he's stalking you, trust me.
	Not that he's a bad stalker.
	He's a good stalker, but he really wants to be your boyfriend and he doesn't know how to do it.
	And so this is all what's underneath some of that.
	And of course, having sex then is ultimately how they get themselves in trouble.
	So they're very careful about that.
	Well, I mean, look, I like a committed relationship.
	I don't know.
	I know.
	Maybe too.
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	No, no.
	But to get there, you have to learn how to form and break relationships and know who you are.
	No, this is what I was going to say.
	Like, just because, like, if you're worried about seeming toxic, get to know the girl, take her out on dates, like, develop a relationship.
	Already bad.
	Date, the word date.
	No, no, no, no.
	We don't do that.
	We don't do that.
	And by the way, you also need to have your heart broken.
	It's an important part of becoming a functioning adult.
	Yes.
	And developing empathy and cutting you down from thinking you're all that in a biscuit, right?
	You need to like have a couple of humbling experiences along the way, whether they're in the bedroom or on the way.
	Correct.
	Dr. Drew is so fun.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for helping us laugh.
	So great to see you in person of all this time.
	So privilege.
	And don't forget to tune into the Dr. Drew show.
	He had Rob Schneider on there yesterday, who also got in trouble in the COVID nonsense.
	We went over the New York Times article that vilified both of us, and we were right on every single point.
	It was crazy.
	Right again.
	All right, Dr. Drew, all the best.
	Great to see you.
	Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show.
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Chapters

00:00:15 Regional War Unfolds
00:15:34 Hate Groups Take Over
00:24:38 Constitutional Crisis Looms
00:33:42 Condemning Hamas Support
00:46:17 Trauma and Scapegoating
00:59:56 Premeditated Torture Questions
01:07:34 Vaccine Misinformation Risks
01:23:38 Lab Leak Debate Continues
01:25:49 Eroding Public Trust
01:28:22 Toxic Relationships Explained
01:33:52 Avoiding Obsessive Stalking