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Aug. 26, 2023 - The Megyn Kelly Show
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Independents Decide This Election 00:14:53
Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show.
I'm Megan Kelly, and here's a little extra for you.
We decided to take some calls from our audience members who have strong thoughts about the debate that happened on Fox News.
And what better way to hear those thoughts than from the folks directly?
We're going to kick it off with Lane in Texas.
Lane, thanks for calling.
What are your thoughts on how the debate went?
Hi, Megan.
Two thoughts on Ron DeSantis.
I'm a Florida guy.
I'm just traveling through Texas working, but I really wish when the Ukraine thing came up, I think people would have sat back in their seats if he would have said, Hey, these are my feelings right now.
I'm pretty sure I'm right, but until I get in that office and I get free things that no one else on the planet gets, I'm not 100% and I am open, open-minded.
I think people would have sat up in their chair and said, Whoa, honesty, how about that?
And the other thing is, well, maybe not, but the other thing is we've had a couple years in Florida to get to get used to this guy.
He never sleeps, he gets a lot done, but he is really hard to like, and he doesn't have time to make people like him.
So I kind of agree with you guys that he's not going to make it.
These are my conversations.
Why is he hard to look at him?
He just doesn't have any sense of humor.
He's straightforward, and he seems like if you disagree with him, he really comes at you hard.
Even though, you know, most people did agree with his stance on Disney.
You know, he got the bridge rebuilt through the hurricane in Fort Myers in three days so could get supplies.
But he's just, he's just there.
He has no, no little, he's not quick-witted and he's just kind of a boring guy.
You know, but the guy's a worker.
He gets everything done, but he's not going to be able to show the country that in time, I don't think.
For it to help me.
Maybe just being the policy guy could have worked if there were not a Trump.
But there is a Trump.
And so something extraordinary is going to be required for any of these guys.
You know, unless, God forbid, something terrible happens to Trump.
And then the field goes back to the respectfully, again, the B team last night.
They're not going to get it done.
Something extraordinary would have to happen.
And it didn't last night, wasn't it?
Lane, thank you for calling in.
Let's go to Ann in Arizona.
Ann, hi, what are your thoughts on the debate?
Well, I just thought nothing they said up there changed my mind one moment.
I have three daughters.
I, you know, I'm not really focused on women's issues, but they never even asked about the whole girls in sports, the trans kids things.
And that kind of stuff really upsets me.
Like, makes me stand in my chair and go, What the F is going on in this country?
But Lane, we had a question on UFOs.
I mean, I just thought it was so ridiculous.
Right.
Right.
I have, I actually, all my daughters are swimmers.
When the Leah Thompson thing happened, I was like, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
I live in a city that's very liberal, very liberal.
Me and my conservative girlfriends, we have to huddle together to discuss like issues of what do you think about this?
What do you think about this?
If we say things to our liberal friends, they like are crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
And I'm really, you know, I have been a Trump supporter, not from day one, but I did vote for him twice.
I actually have a daughter who's like a huge Trump supporter.
And I'm really worried about him being our candidate again because I see the hate on the other side, the motivating hate.
I mean, it's visceral.
The Trump derangement syndrome is crazy where I live.
And I see it.
And I'm like, I wish he just wouldn't have entered.
You know, will I vote for him if he's our candidate?
Yeah.
If I get the chance not to vote for him in the primary, I will.
But Arizona is one of the last.
So by the time it gets to us, it's like, okay, I'll go vote.
You know, same.
I mean, I've been living in New York and Connecticut, and our votes don't count.
I mean, we all know those states are going blue.
By the way, it's Ann.
Sorry, I called you Lane.
That was our last caller.
Keep going.
And that's okay.
That's okay.
You know, I live in Arizona.
I'm actually a Texan.
I live in Arizona, but I see the California migration into Arizona, into Texas.
And that scares the hell out of me because those people aren't coming here and going, oh, I love free Arizona and free Texas.
Arizona is now a blue state, pretty much.
Here's the question: because I think Trump, Trump would say, and he would say, they're going to hate any Republican nominee and try to destroy them the way they are me.
I think you could definitely make that case on DeSantis.
They hate him for sure.
Maybe Vivek, who's upsetting them right now, or certainly will if he keeps talking the way he did last night.
But what do you, do you really, do you think he's wrong?
Some want he, there is something particular about him that drives people insane.
Pass from day one.
Like DeSantis, during the whole COVID thing, when he would come back at the media and he would actually, you know, like they would ask him questions and he would be like, what are you talking about?
We did this, this, this, and fire off like five facts why they were wrong.
I would like stand up and go, yes, somebody actually explained why that person is a jerk asking that question.
Whereas like Trump is just, oh, fake news, you're an idiot, whatever, name calling, whatever.
You know, name calling doesn't really bother me, but it does a lot of people.
And I actually like Vivek.
I think he's super smart.
I think he comes at the questions directly, sort of like DeSantis used to, but he's really young.
And like some of his policy positions, I think, are a little too like extreme for me.
Like, let's just ban everything and start over.
Well, that's not going to work.
We need to work with some reform to get some of these people out.
I don't know what that's going to look like, but I just don't want to be like, oh, let's ban the FBI.
Well, you know, there is a purpose for the FBI.
Yes, there is.
Yeah.
I know some of the stuff that just sounds good.
It sounds good to a faction of the Republican base, but realistically, do we want to get rid of the group that's searching out, you know, terrorists from other countries who are here laying in wait trying to hurt us again?
I don't know.
Down to the studs is one thing, but don't, but keep the studs at least and rebuild.
And like child trafficking.
I'm a huge proponent of what's going on with child trafficking.
I'm like, I don't understand why the Democrats are okay with open borders when it causes women to be rake and children to be raked all through Mexico on their way here.
And then when they get here, we don't even check who's brought them across.
How is the Democrats even okay with that?
And then, and then I watch the Republicans answer stuff and I'm like, that's your answer?
I'm like, you can't be more direct on that.
Like, you can't come at that, you know.
Even if they're wrong, right?
It would be so nice to see them take a risk.
That's what I liked about Vivek is just he'll take a risk.
Even if he's wrong, he's bold about it.
And I think you would admit I was wrong or my thinking changed.
And, you know, like our first guest was saying, our first caller, I think the party would forgive him for that evolution.
But right now, you can tell when they're lying and they're doing the politician thing.
And it's just, I mean, if we still had the old funny Saturday Night LIVE, couldn't they be having a field day on what we saw on Wednesday night with, like the pencil, super serious, with the furrowed brow and the long pauses and the repeated references to his faith, and then the Vivek with, like the huge, toothy smile and the making fun of everybody, finger in the air, and you come here and hug me, big guy, and like there's just so many such a funny cast of characters.
But you know, authenticity probably hard to find.
Listen, thank you for calling and such a pleasure talking to you.
Let's keep going.
Uh, Linda in California is on the line.
Hi Linda, what are your thoughts on the debate?
Hi Megan well um, first I want to say thank you for standing up for girls sports.
Um, I am retired military.
Uh, a nurse.
I feel like they've missed the opportunity to address us independents and I feel we're the ones that are going to be deciding this election.
It's not the people who are going to vote on, they're going to vote for Trump and it's not the people in the Biden, it's going to be us in the middle and how they choose to move us over to their side, and I think last night they all missed it.
Um, I was liberal, pretty liberal, depend independent, and now i'm pushing more.
They're pushing me over to more conservative.
I was.
I am in San Diego, but I moved to Nevada.
I'm one of those people that have moved over to a different state, but I think everyone should be thinking, what about the independents?
How are we going to get them to see our side?
And I feel like i'm totally ignored by both parties.
It's so hard.
You know, the Republican Party's been having this debate for many years and I think of somebody like Ann Coulter who's been sounding the alarm, saying the answer is not to go more moderate.
For the love of god, pick a true Conservative.
Rally the conservative base.
They will turn out in droves.
That's how you win elections.
She did not like McCain, for example.
She did not like Romney.
She did like Trump because she's pretty much a single-issue voter on immigration.
And this time around, she's pushing DeSantis very hard and can't stand Trump.
But they've been debating within themselves for years about do you sort of excite the base or do you play more for the general and think about independence like you, Linda?
And I don't know that they've, you know, figured it out.
Because I think really, when we look at it, who's going to tip the scale?
It's going to be me.
It's going to be the people like me.
And that's what they need to be focusing on.
It's not going to be the strict Republicans and the strict Democrats.
You know, what can make me choose their side?
I don't like either one of them, to be honest.
I was very open to hearing all the different Republican candidates last night.
But, you know, there were a lot of questions that they didn't ask that I wanted to hear.
You know, I didn't want to hear about UFOs.
I did want to hear about, I'm a nurse practitioner.
I do care about the children in this country and what they're doing to them.
I do care about the schools.
That was very, the education part of this was very small.
But, you know, and the military, I don't know if we really even talk about that in any detail.
You know, that's something that's a good point.
That is a good point.
Because honestly, like having, having worked at Fox, I saw them doing like tipping the hat to the patriotism with the national anthem.
And then the, at the end, a question about the waning patriotism.
How about a question on the military and the recruiting problems?
How about like, instead of like the showiness of like, oh, we love America.
We're Fox.
We're, you know, we're paying homage.
Actually ask a substantive question.
Like get to something that matters to military men and women like yourself.
It's very sad.
I have a son in the military still too.
And the, you know, recruitment, you know, what are we going to do?
What are the risks?
You know, I did like the questions about China and Russia, but, you know, they didn't even really get to touch on it so much.
I didn't get to hear from each person what they're, you know, I think they were so busy fighting each other and tried to upstage each other in a way that I didn't get to hear the meat and potatoes of what they each stand for.
You know, and I listen to you all the time.
You know, I feel like I'm the Joe Plumber from years ago when they looked at him.
You know, I'm the person that everyone's ignoring.
And there's so many of us.
There's a lot of us out here.
And I hope that they, at the next debate, they start asking these questions or at least giving them more time, each individual.
Well, here's a good thing.
They're probably going to have, I think, 10, maybe 11 debates if they do it the way they did it last time.
So you will get these issues addressed eventually.
Thank you for your service and thank you for calling.
Let's keep going.
Jeff in Illinois.
Hi, Jeff.
What are your thoughts?
Hi, Megan.
Absolutely love your show.
So my thought is that many people have said that with the debates last night that DeSantis and Ramaswamy did not hit a home run.
They needed to close the gap and they only hit a single.
What would your definition be of a home run?
Because I thought they both did well.
I'll give you an example.
If I were Ron DeSantis, who's been as solid as they come on the issue we were just discussing, the transing of young kids, I would have said, you know, something to the effect of, I think one of the problems we're having in this country is we're losing our tether on reality.
We're actually transitioning little boys into a fake version of a little girl.
And that man at the end of the stage, Asa Hutchinson, who has no business being up here, he has zero shot in this race, who's taking time from valuable candidates who actually do have a shot, is part of the problem.
Let me give you an example of what he did.
And boom, it doesn't even, it's not because Asa Hutchinson is a threat.
It's to show us who you are, what you stand for, and that you're a fighter, and you can put our concerns into words in a way that will excite us and resonate with us.
DeSantis didn't do it.
He can do it, but he didn't do it.
Exposing Desantis and Vivek Ideas 00:03:15
And then he had Vivek, who kind of tried to do it.
I thought his best answer was on the climate change.
I know that some people found it controversial, but when he started going off on the climate change, I thought it was great on education.
I thought it was really good.
He probably came the closest.
And the others really just kept interjecting to snipe at one another, which is fine.
You can try to take somebody out, but like, you got to quickly pivot it to something that's really going to make me say, yes, as the kids would say, yes, Queen.
That's what I would say.
What do you think, Jeff?
I thought they all did well.
I thought DeSantis did well.
There's all this talk about him being so stiff.
He's a military man.
I love the military people.
He's not a slobbering slouch that he's a military guy.
He's strong in his convictions.
And I like him.
And he's done well in Florida.
And I mean, just look at his track record.
So he's well spoken.
He's respected, kind of the opposite of what I think the Republicans are going against.
And all of this, all of these issues, I just don't understand.
Just even from a neutral standpoint, southern borders wide open, fentanyl, people being raped.
I just don't understand it.
None of it makes sense.
All these issues today, you know, the energy, we need to bring energy back to be self-sufficient like we had with Trump.
It just doesn't make any sense.
So what does that mean to you?
Who do you support right now?
It's so hard because there were so many good people last night, and I think it'll get whittled down in time.
I like DeSantis.
Vivek has his moments.
I like what he has to say.
Maybe he's too young and he needs a little more seasoning, but I love his ideas.
I like Tim Scott.
There's so many that have so many great ideas.
And when you compare all those candidates to what we have presently and the DOJ and what's happening, and it's like, is this, it's insane what's happened.
There's no common sense.
The law-abiding tax-paying citizen seems to get penalized.
And all of them, I would take any of them over what we have now, but I kind of lean towards DeSantis.
But all of them have great ideas.
Well, it's good for the RNC to have 10, 11 debates.
Keep putting them out there.
Keep exposing the electorate to their ideas.
That, you know, from that perspective, it's an advantage to have, to be in the non-incumbent position, though historically, it's very hard to convince the country to fire an incumbent, which is what they're asking.
Thank you for calling, Jeff.
I appreciate it.
And thanks for listening.
Let's go to Vicki in Michigan.
Hi, Vicki.
What are your thoughts?
Hi, Megan.
I have three things that you spoke about.
One, did I watch Fox News debates?
No.
I quit watching Fox News during the COVID crap.
When they start pushing stuff, I said, all right, this I knew I would see the highlights, you know, on social media, on the news.
I'm not going to waste my time.
Trump's the front runner.
America First or Incendiary Politics 00:06:32
He's got my total support.
He did 2016, 2020, and he still does.
So how about Tucker?
Yeah, keep going.
Keep going.
Sorry.
I watched Tucker and Trump, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It was sit down at the table and have a conversation.
And so that's what I did.
The Trump stuff was hilarious.
He made me laugh.
Yeah, good news.
Wasn't it?
It was.
It was hilarious.
I loved when he talked about Chris Wallace when he talked about when he talked about Joe Biden on the beach.
It's like Trump and the video of the white skinny legs.
I know.
It's like, oh, please.
So, but you know, on one of the highlights that I did see today on Fox, I was extremely disappointed.
This big of democracy across the back, the backstage, and not one single American flag.
What's with that?
It's so unlike them.
It's about America.
You know, this is about America, our president.
Not one single flag was up there.
I didn't notice that.
Yeah, I did notice.
You got somebody like Vivek who now suddenly is wearing the American flag pin.
He never was wearing an American flagpin.
I like that.
I don't like it.
It's like, come on.
If you don't wear it normally, don't wear it now.
I guess, okay, now you're running for president, but please, like, if you are that patriarch, I know lots of people who wear the American flagpin who are not running for president.
And they tend to be ex-military.
They love the country, but it's whatever.
Everybody, I don't like it when people use it.
Exactly.
I have the American flag flying in my front yard, you know, but it's not because I'm a certain political party.
It's my country, you know?
Yeah.
And yeah, don't be something you're not just because you're running for a position.
Yes.
That's one thing I like about Chris Christie.
I will say, you know, he's authentic.
You know, he's sort of authentically a prick, but he is authentic about it.
Like, he's like, this is what I stand for.
I'm pissed off.
I can't stand Trump.
I don't like what's happened to my party.
And I'm just going to say it.
Like, I don't detect any false notes from the guy.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And you're right.
He's a prick.
So, in regards to, you had said on your program earlier today, you know, the VIC had stated, you know, Trump's been like the best president ever.
Why is he running?
Yeah.
I have a thought, and it goes into another topic that I was ready to talk about because I didn't think you were going to, and you did at the end.
I think the VIC is running for a just-in-case, just in case Trump is indicted, you know, is charged with something.
He's convicted.
Just in case.
Right.
Just in case.
And I pray to God every night, and I ask your viewers to the protection of President Trump and his family, that an assassination attempt is nothing.
That gave me a chill.
I know.
I mean, that's that.
I mean, I just can't even imagine the chaos that would ensue.
God forbid that happened.
He's very well protected, thankfully, as he should be, as he needs to be.
But do you get the sense that there are some who would root for it?
There are some who would actually think he deserves it, some sort of death penalty for being incendiary politically.
I just, I mean, why would they stop?
Like a chucker is asking good questions.
They continue to up the ante against the guy, and he's unstoppable.
He continues to not lie down.
And, you know, they want him to be a good dog and to lie down, and he won't do it.
Listen, thank you for calling.
Really, really good talking to you, Viggy.
All the best.
I appreciate you weighing in with everything.
Let's keep going.
Steve is in New York.
Hi, Steve.
What are your thoughts on this whole thing, the debate, the candidates?
Well, first, I want to say I'm from the Syracuse area, so I have a special for you.
And I was speaking to my son.
My son just graduated high school, and his friend, she's going into pre-law.
And I told her that she should check out your book and look at your career and say, you know, it doesn't matter what law school you go to, as long as you work hard and graduate at the top of it.
Thank you for that.
I love Syracuse.
Every time I go back there, you put on the John Denver, it brings up a tear.
I love the neighborhoods there.
They're just like a great place to raise a family.
Cold and gray and snowy for sure, but it's kind of toughens you up.
And then when you go to the rest of the country and you see them freak out about two flakes of snow, you have a good laugh and you think more of yourself.
Right.
Right.
Well, you know, it's a little scary.
I mean, you haven't been around the area in a long time, but basically on the radio, there's like a stabbing or a shooting like almost every night in Syracuse.
And so the crime is just terrible up there.
I mean, I don't live like literally, I live out in the country on Route 20, so a little ways away, but it's just pretty scary, you know, that, but it goes.
You know, the caller that you had was talking about the independence.
And I was thinking that, you know, I listened to Ben and I'm a big fan of him as well, and Michael and all them, but I listen to you every day also.
But one of the things is they're talking about Trump winning the primary.
What's the path in the general election?
What's going to happen in Wisconsin and Georgia, in Pennsylvania, and Arizona, Nevada, those states?
And that's what really worries me.
Yeah.
You know, not alone.
Big Trump supporter, you know.
And, but what I was going to say to you is that, you know, women are such a huge key to this, you know, and the moms, those, those two women that you have, the, it's a no, it's a hard no.
Yes.
What are they?
Carrie and Britt.
Yeah.
What, what, what's their thing they're called?
The organization they battle cry.
The battle cry.
Faith Over Fear in Swing States 00:15:24
Those women are going to be so important because that's who we need with the transing the children and you know the indoctrinating of children and all that, the growth and homeschool and stuff like that.
That's just huge.
I know.
I think that's going to be if Joe Biden is reelected or whoever winds, I mean, God only knows whether Biden can make it, Harris, Newsom, what have you, we're going to get so much more of it.
They're actively working every day to open the door to more trans procedures for young ones, for more kink in our K-12 education system, for persecution of parents who object to it, for the firing of anybody who doesn't go along with the madness.
It's like a lot, most people are living their lives are not paying active attention to the amount of incentives Joe Biden has put in the federal government to schools and you can go down the list, workers for creating these kinds of programs and rewarding these kinds of programs.
And this guy, you know, Rachel Levine, who's out there trying to praise clinic after clinic that wants to trans kids and get rid of the word women, that's all on Joe Biden.
That we're on a very dangerous path right now.
So the GOP needs to choose the right person.
And then I get why people think it's Trump.
He's extremely strong.
He seems to have his pulse on the like the finger of the electorate.
Like he's, he seems to actually see things in a way not everybody does about what's coming down the pike.
But he did lose in 2020.
And even if you think he lost because it's rigged, it's going to be rigged again.
And so it's almost like whoever the Republican is, if they're going to win, they have to win by an overwhelming landslide.
And so you're really asking not just whether Trump could eke it out the way he did in 16, you're asking, could he win in a landslide?
Which of these guys or gals could win in a landslide?
Because that may be what's required.
It's scary, Steve.
Well, you talk about Vivek, and I don't know if you've heard him talk about it, but he's talked about how he could win in a landslide because he's not as divisive as Trump, right?
They don't have a built-in opinion of him.
And that's one of the reasons he says, you know, I could win because of, you know, that fact that he doesn't have the.
I like to listen to the lefty media too, just to see what they're saying.
And they're promoting Vivek right now because they like a divided field.
A divided field is great because that means Trump wins and they think they can beat Trump.
They do not want it consolidating into a two-man race, you know, Trump versus somebody.
So, okay, great.
They'll promote Vivek for a little while.
But you already hear the seeds being planted far right.
That's what I was hearing about Vivek repeatedly today.
Far right, the far right candidate.
Because he said things like the climate change agenda is a hoax, which by the way is not the same thing as saying climate change is a hoax.
He's saying the agenda.
And I think even Michael Schellenberger would come on and agree with you, who used to work for Greenpeace.
In any event, I agree with Vivek.
So they'll, you know, they, by the time they're done with him, is what I'm trying to say.
He will not be an acceptable option that could win a landslide.
They, I don't know who could be.
Maybe Nikki Haley.
I don't know.
Probably no Republican, but it's going to have to be somebody.
The only person who could potentially win over, you know, the really moderate independents is somebody who would probably not be acceptable to the core base, at least when Trump is still in the race.
So it's just like the Republican Party's internal civil war is hurting it.
And, you know, in all honesty, it's probably going to cost it the next election.
Like if you had to put money on who's going to win, even with Joe Biden and the state he's in, you'd have to put it on him, given the fracturing inside the GOP.
It's dark.
All right.
Steve, thank you for calling.
Gonna get some other callers in.
Let's go to Jessica in New York.
Hi, Jessica.
Hey, Megan.
I'm so glad to talk to you.
Your show is awesome.
I try to listen most days.
Thank you.
But I wanted to call in because I listened to your show.
And while I usually do agree with you on most things, your take on the debate, I had a few different opinions, but I love Trump, voted for him twice, very enthusiastic, you know, supporter of Trump.
But I was disappointed that he didn't participate in the debate.
And it was, I felt like after watching that there were some good options as Republican candidates.
And I felt like I was surprised by some of the candidates as well.
I've always, I've never really liked Nikki Haley.
There was just something about her.
I just kind of, I don't know, I just didn't really, wasn't ever enthralled by her, but I did like her after the debate.
I liked how she seemed like a fighter and she, you know, she explained things in a way that made sense.
Like, for example, the Ukraine when her and Vivek were going back and forth about foreign policy.
That's a good moment for her.
Yeah, because I tend to agree maybe with Vivek.
I'm not a big supporter of Ukraine.
I never really jumped on that shit when everyone was hanging their flags out and just throwing their support behind them.
And just, you know, I've always kind of questioned that.
And so I really appreciate how she explained it from her perspective, being in foreign policy, why we shouldn't abandon them and still continue to support them.
You know, there's this, there's such a large group within the Republican Party that's more in the Trump, Tucker, now Vivek field.
I've got to be honest, I think Vivek is just glomming on.
I don't know that Vivek has any strong thoughts on foreign policy.
I suspect he watches Tucker and says what Tucker says.
That's my suspicion.
Sorry.
But I think he's sort of like, I think he's modeling himself more after Tucker than he is after Trump.
In any event, there's a lot, a large strain in the Republican Party that is over the Ukraine war.
And I mean, I understand her.
We've had her on the show.
I get her.
I just don't know if it's, I don't know.
I don't know if that's a winning argument for her.
But I hear you.
She was good.
I liked her.
I didn't expect her to be so present and vibrant last night.
She fought her way in there.
She talked about her military husband.
I appreciated all that.
But realistically, it doesn't look good for Nikki.
I'm going to take some other callers, Jessica.
Thank you.
Thanks again for calling.
Let's go to, let's see, Carrie in Texas.
Hi.
Carrie, what's on your thought?
On your mind?
Hi, Megan.
Hi, how are you?
I'm great.
Good.
I could talk to you forever, but okay, so I called because I get, and your other caller touched on this a little bit.
I think the one from New York.
So I get that a lot of people don't think that the election was stolen or manipulated.
And it's, I just don't understand how people can see the videos of the ballot stuffing and see the girl in Georgia send everybody home.
She pulls out a stack.
She scans the same things like four or five times.
And why are the Democrats so against voter ID if they are not cheating?
I just don't understand it.
And true the vote, I think, is in federal court today over 67, I think 67,000 ballots that were in Georgia that were, I don't know, I really just heard a little bit about it, but I'm just like, I don't understand why everybody just throws off the whole cheating because it's obvious that Joe Biden did not get 81 million votes.
I don't care how many times if you look at, you know, Georgia, they've gone over it time and time again.
And Brian Kemp has, you know, called for a comprehensive review over and over and over again.
And a lot of those claims collapsed upon further scrutiny, you know, with the ballot stuffing.
When you actually took a deeper dive into it, it turned out not to be true.
Rudy Giuliani has given testimony under oath now down there that some of the things he was saying were not true.
And those don't get publicized as well, you know, to people like you who are living your life.
You're not spending your days going over the allegations of voter fraud.
So you don't hear the follow-up about how this one fell apart and that one fell apart.
That's not to say that this was a fair election or that it was, you know, that it wasn't, you can say rigged, but it was certainly pushed in a way for the Democrat that was grossly unfair.
The real problem is they're going to do it again.
The stuff that they got away with, they're going to do again.
They got away with it.
It's not illegal.
You know, the Facebook money, the suppression of the bad news about Hunter, the laptop, the suppression of bad news about Joe Biden.
You know, look at what Chris Wallace did in that debate with stuffing the Trump claims about the widow of the Moscow mayor paying the 3.5 million.
Let Joe Biden get away with saying it's false.
It's false.
It's false.
Now we know it was 100%.
Like all these things where the media makes a big difference, gonna happen again, gonna happen again.
And there's not really a great plan by the RNC or anybody else to change it, especially the mail-in, the mail-in ballots.
Now it's just like, okay, let's do the mail-in ballots too.
Okay, well, they tend to be better at that.
But I hear you, and I don't think there's a good answer right now.
Thank you for calling in.
Let me get some other callers.
Let's see.
Keith in Indiana.
Hi.
Mike Pence is home state.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, your show is terrific.
I'm glad I found it on SiriusXM.
What I wanted to discuss is how I keep hearing that Mike Pence did not have the power to do what Trump was requesting.
Maybe that's true.
Maybe it isn't.
I guess it's true now, but Congress actually did something near the end of last year to clarify that issue.
Why would they have done that if in fact he did not have that power potentially?
That's a good question.
Trump has been raising this.
And I think the answer is they just wanted to make extra clear because they thought there was some slight ambiguity in the law, but they did not believe for one second that that ambiguity made it possible.
Thought that there was a sliver of a chance that it did.
Sometimes the law does get pushed to the limits.
So I don't think he was totally, that is Trump, out of his mind to at least pursue it.
And I keep hearing your argument.
I did not, I do not think Mike Pence had that power, and I don't think it was ambiguous at all.
I don't think the revision of the law was necessary.
And I do think that, you know, on the GOP side, can you imagine?
Can you imagine if Joe Biden lost to Trump this time around and Kamala Harris refused to certify the vote when she was counting it and changed it and made Democratic fake electors and gave the election to Joe Biden?
It's a no.
It's a hard no.
So we have to maintain our principles when it comes to these constitutional provisions that have long been abided.
It really was just Mike Pence's job to count.
That was literally all he was supposed to do.
If the founders thought that when this system was set up, that the vice president's supposed to be there just to count numbers?
I don't know about that.
I wonder.
It's a little bit more faith in people over things like that, and that maybe they could do things that needed to be done.
Well, you can have electors decide not to follow the will of the people.
That was built right into the Constitution.
But he was asking for something different.
Trump wanted Pence to actually ignore the electors who were there and to go with a different set of electors that he was submitting.
In any event, you know, he's going to be prosecuted for all of that.
I don't think it was a crime.
And it's been, you know, now written down that absolutely in no way, shape, or form are you allowed.
Thank you for calling.
Appreciate it.
Let's go to Holly in Georgia.
Hi, Holly.
What are your thoughts?
Hi, Megan.
I just have to say you were the first podcast that I'm listening to ever.
And I've been listening to you from the beginning.
And now I listen to a lot of other podcasts too, but you're the best.
Nice.
Thank you.
Wow.
Thanks for coming on board.
I had listened to the debate last night and then went to bed, didn't look at anything, didn't listen to anything, and just thought about what happened.
And I totally agree that Tip Scott and Asa and Bergum are done.
I just don't see how they move forward from here.
On the other note of that, I did get my $20 gift card from Bergam.
So good for you.
What a good book to read.
Anyway, so Vivek stole the show, but it just seemed like it was too much.
But I think he's going to, he definitely made a name for himself.
But again, Nikki Haley, she, I had cast her off of not being able to make it.
She did a really good job last night.
And I was impressed.
She stood her own, that's for sure.
Pence, on the other hand, he talked a lot.
He was combative.
He had a lot more hooks for than I've ever seen him have, but I still don't think he's got what it takes.
Can I say something?
This is like, maybe people find this a weird question because I'm not exactly a flag-flying feminist and I'm not into identity politics either.
But I will tell you something.
I watched the debate with my husband and my three kids, including my daughter, who's 12.
And I was really glad there was a woman on the stage.
I really was glad.
I was, and I was glad she was so strong.
She didn't give an inch.
She was aggressive.
She was combative.
I do think it's good for, you know, kids like my daughter to see that and just sort of, you know, there's the old, if you can see it, you can be it.
It's not that I'm in favor of affirmative action for women or anybody else.
It's just, it's great that Nikki Haley is in the race and fought hard to be in the race and came back against all these guys who didn't want anything to do with her to make her arguments.
You know, whether she wins is a different story, but it's whatever.
I enjoyed seeing her up there.
100% agree.
I always like to see a strong woman.
And there needs to be more of us out there who will say what we think and not back down.
Amen.
Thank you so much for calling in.
Thanks, Holly, for being one of them.
And thanks to all of our listeners and our viewers for spending the extra time calling in for the show.
Just really had that need to hear not just from pundits, but from our people.
And, you know, we're open-minded to all these guys here on the Megan Kelly show.
We're going to call it like we see it if we think they fall.
We're right sometimes.
We're maybe not so right sometimes, but it's fun to talk about it with all of you.
It's really here.
It's fun to hear your points of view.
Thank you for informing us.
And don't forget, we'll be back on Monday with Stu Bergier and Dave Marcus.
Don't miss that.
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