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July 9, 2021 - The Megyn Kelly Show
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Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.
Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show.
Today, Jason Whitlock is back, and this time he has brought Uncle Jimmy.
James, Uncle Jimmy Dobbs, his partner in crime on their new show, Fearless, Fearless, which is a new podcast, and there's a video version as well with The Blaze, and it's totally unfiltered.
inappropriate and awesome.
They're hilarious together.
These guys have known each other for a long, long time.
Jason isn't afraid to say anything, nor is Uncle Jimmy, as you guys are about to find out.
We had a lot of laughs.
We touched a lot of third rails and we left like our stomachs were hurting from the laughter.
So you're going to love these guys.
They're coming up in one minute.
We're going to kick it off with Jason's thought on Rachel Nichols.
He's been talking a lot about this Rachel Nichols Maria Taylor thing at ESPN where he used to work.
And I think you're going to want to get his take.
So that's one minute away, stand by.
Let's start with the latest news out of the world of sports.
This story was made for you, Jason.
The Rachel Nichols story.
Now, I confess, you know, I don't know anything about sports.
I don't really follow sports.
If it crosses over into the news world, then I follow it.
And this one has.
And to me, it's kind of titillating because it involves two women at the top of their journalism game, sports journalism.
And it's basically devolved into sort of a catfight, which is also kind of interesting.
But I think there are a lot of points about this story.
It's brought up a lot.
What basically happened is Rachel Nichols, and you tell me, is she like one of ESPN's biggest stars?
I would think she's in the top 20, bottom half of the top 20 off the top of my head.
She's certainly one of their most accomplished journalists, having worked at the Washington Post.
And then transitioned over into the television world.
And I think you could argue her and Maria are the two highest profile women working at ESPN right now.
Okay.
So Rachel's white, Maria Taylor's black.
And Rachel Nichols, a year ago, that's what's weird about this story, although there's probably a reason we're just finding out about it now.
Rachel Nichols gets caught on an open mic.
It was basically an in hotel room camera that she was using for her reporting during COVID.
that she left on, which was a mistake, but it's still creepy that somebody taped her having a private conversation in a room, goes on and on about Maria and basically says, look, you know, she covers what she covers, but because Rachel's ticked off because she's in danger of losing her hosting role for the NBA Finals at the time to Maria.
And she says, you know, it's fine, but I don't want ESPN to make up for its crappy record on diversity by replacing me. as the host is essentially what she says.
She says, find it from somewhere else.
You're not going to find it from me or take my thing away.
In other words, a better diversity record.
Now, what I found interesting about this, Jason, you tell me, is that, and I know you've been kind of defensive of Rachel Nichols, but I look back and Rachel Nichols, she's one of these wooksters.
She's one of these people.
She railed on North Carolina for its transgender policies.
She railed about inequality after George Floyd.
She said the sports world has to play a role in rectifying inequality.
It matters that these messages be pushed in sports, especially for fans watching TV who might not have anyone who looks like them on TV saying these things about diversity.
She praised Colin Kaepernick.
So I'm like, this woman's totally for diversity and equality unless she's the one who's got to make the sacrifice.
Don't take my thing away.
She's annoying.
And I don't feel sorry for her.
But what's your take?
All of what you said is true.
But that's not the way that I operate.
Rachel Nichols' chickens are certainly coming home to roost, but it still doesn't mean she's not being treated incredibly unfairly.
And so I just think that any person, man or woman, black or white, Having a private conversation leaked and leaked a year later is just totally unfair.
To take her comments and try to spin them as if they were somehow racist and beyond the pale, totally unfair.
She went out of her way.
I mean, she damn near sounded like she knew she was being recorded the way her answer was because, trust me, if I'm on a private conversation with friends and I'm talking about Getting screwed over out of a job.
I don't sound nearly as professional and as polished as she did.
And she was talking to somebody who is an important guy in that industry, as I understand it.
It was LeBron's rep, Adam Mendelssohn.
So she wasn't going to be really railing, right?
Like this was probably about as much as she was confident saying.
Yeah, she'd have a different conversation with her mom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or her girlfriends.
All right, listen, we have a soundbite of Rachel.
Listen.
I wish Marie Taylor all the success in the world.
She covers football, she covers basketball.
If you need to give her more things to do because you're feeling pressure about your crappy, long time record on diversity, which, by the way, I myself know personally from the female side of it, go for it.
Just find it somewhere else.
You're not going to find it with me and take my thing away.
I love it.
It's just so funny, right?
That she was supposed to be this warrior for equity and that she's like, but not when it comes to me.
I mean, this is what these wokesters do, right?
Yes, Black Lives Matter.
And then it's like, oh, wait, I lost out my position to a black person.
Forget that.
It's like, oh, not as woke as you want us to believe.
Yeah, the hypocrisy's thick.
But what I'm hoping is, and maybe it's a naive hope, is that this will be her red pill moment.
She will have, because what Rachel Nichols is, is a survivor.
And I can't knock her for that.
She's going the direction that ESPN is blowing everybody into.
She's going with the flow.
In order to survive at ESPN, you have to be woke, or that political monster within ESPN will chew you up and spit you out.
It happened to me from 2013 to 2015 when I was hired to launch and run the Undefeated.
My political point of view, which are my just worldview of being a conservative, and again, because I'm not really political, I'm just a guy that was raised in a church and raised playing football.
And so, my point of view is conservative, but I'm not going to back off that for anybody.
And I got chewed up and spit out at ESPN by the leftists that are within that organization, the political factions, the lobbyists within ESPN.
And so, Rachel Nichols and others, when you, and this will be an arrogant statement, but Rachel Nichols is smart.
She's like, man, Jason Whitlock, look at his journalistic resume.
He's at the top of the field in the sports world.
And they annihilated and assassinated him for having a conservative point of view.
So, if she wants to survive, then she has to go woke.
And again, I don't know what.
And maybe she's authentically woke.
I tend to doubt it.
I'm hoping that this moment, looking at the leftists, I mean, I don't know if Megan, if you're aware, and I almost hate mentioning this, but it factually happened.
They're going after Rachel Nichols so viciously that two days ago, I think on Tuesday, she was trending over Twitter about a rumor and her and some NBA basketball player.
And Twitter allowed her to trend with all these tweets about her and some NBA player.
And that's how hard the left wants to bury her, that they rig up something like that and instruct people to start tweeting and bots and algorithms or whatever about her personal life.
This woman's married and doesn't need to be subjected to that type of.
Well, if it's not true, it's defamatory.
It's defamatory per se, as we refer to her in laws are apparently Diane Sawyer and Mike Nichols.
She's their daughter in law.
Okay, so that's Nichols.
And she's because what happened is a year later, that tape.
What happened was somebody saw her in her hotel room.
Somebody at ESPN saw her making the comments, heard her surreptitiously because they weren't supposed to be looking at her, make the comments and took a video of it and then leaked it, I guess, to Maria Taylor and maybe others because it made its way around ESPN.
It's very disconcerting for any woman to find out that somebody's been looking at her in her hotel room without her knowing.
And I don't care that it was a camera ESPN gave her.
She may have forgotten to turn it off properly because this wasn't something.
That she certainly didn't, she hadn't a reasonable expectation of privacy in that hotel room by herself.
Anyway, but let's spend a minute on Maria Taylor because at first I was like, well, I'd be ticked off too if I were her.
And somebody was saying my advancement was due to my skin color or my lady parts.
But the more I look into Maria Taylor, I'm like, she's not that sympathetic either.
She's somebody who's been out there.
I don't know, you tell me, Jason, but I feel like she's been extremely woke.
And I think she's been playing this behind the scenes because that tape didn't leak to the New York Times until a week ago.
Right before Maria Taylor's contract negotiation, where she's asking to be paid, they offered her a $5 million deal reportedly.
She wants $8 million, which is what Steven Smith gets.
And people in your world, the sports world, are saying she's not worth that.
And it's pretty interesting that it came out right as she was having the negotiation.
I think Maria Taylor is as calculated and conniving as any person, man or woman, in the media business.
I think that she has been using race as a weapon for more than a year now.
To climb up the ladder.
She makes $1 million a year right now at ESPN.
They offered her $5 million.
She said no.
She wants $8 million, the same as Stephen A. Smith.
At a time over the last two years where ESPN has been slashing everybody's salary, men and women.
Hannah Storm got her salary slashed.
Trey Wingo, other people, Mike Golick, all these white men, people getting run out of ESPN because.
The salary cuts are just way too big.
Kenny Main, I could just go on and on and on.
Everybody taking pay cuts.
She wants $7 million more and was offered $5 million.
She's not worth $5 million.
She plays, she compared herself to Stephen A. Smith.
She plays a different position than Stephen A. Smith.
To give you a football analogy, Megan, and I'm not sure if, anyway, to give you a football analogy, it's like Stephen A. Smith plays quarterback.
And Maria Taylor plays center.
It's a valuable thing.
Uncle Jimmy, he correctly does not have faith in my football knowledge, but that I understand.
Okay.
Its instincts are dead on.
Yeah.
But I got that.
And so let me walk you through what, briefly, what Maria Taylor has done over the past year through the New York Times and other places.
When Drew Brees defended the national anthem before the 2020 season, after Reverend George Floyd Martin Luther King Jr. III got assassinated, Drew Brees defended the national anthem.
And Maria Taylor went on ESPN and savaged Drew Brees, basically accused him of being a racist.
The guy did.
Said nothing wrong, certainly didn't need to have his reputation impugned in that manner, smeared in that manner.
But all the left media applauded it.
Oh, look at Maria Goh.
She really held Drew Brees accountable.
Wait, Jason, we have that.
I cut that because I've seen you talk about that.
So I thought you might mention it.
We've got her salve.
So just to refresh the audience, Drew Brees came out and was asked about the kneeling during the national anthem right after George Floyd.
And he said, Look, I don't support anybody disrespecting the flag.
When I see the flag, I think about my grandpa.
Who fought in World War II and all the sacrifice that was made to me, the flag's a symbol of unity.
That's what he said.
And then he came out and begged for forgiveness.
It was pathetic and a massive turnoff.
But he came out and begged and said he was so sorry.
And her reaction to his apology was long and unforgiving.
And here it is in part.
The first thing out of his mouth was it's disrespectful.
I will not tolerate anything that is disrespectful to our nation and the flag.
That was the first thing.
Now, if you would have came out and said, if you would have said, Oh, well, you know, I understand why it happens and I understand the meaning of protest and why we need it.
However, XYZ, but that's not the way it went down in that conversation.
And it wasn't a quote in a magazine, it wasn't a quote in a newspaper.
And I'm exhausted and I'm tired of having to listen to someone say something like that and then have to sit back and be like, well, maybe he did it.
Maybe it's not his heart and it's this and it's that.
When you reveal yourself to me and you say something like that and you say it out of an intolerant mind andor heart or a non empathetic heart and For the last five years, all we've done is see countless deaths in the street.
My patients left my body when I watched George Floyd take his last breath.
So, if that didn't affect you and make you want to reassess the way that you're going to address a question that includes racial injustice in our country after you watch that man die in the middle of the street, something's off.
I don't know if it's your heart, I don't know if it's your mind, but I don't accept either of them anymore.
Correcting Racism With More Racism 00:12:01
All of that's a load of shit, Megan.
Tell us how you really feel.
Yeah, and I say that.
Because again, and all these people on TV faking and they're so emotional, they're so exhausted, they're so tired.
I'm like, you're a former Division I athlete, Maria.
You know, I'm an overweight 50 year old guy.
I'm not exhausted and tired.
And I'm going to just tell you why.
It's like, I had a relative that I helped raise who I was close to, who was killed by police in 2012 in Indianapolis, Indiana.
I know how George Floyd's family feels.
I paid for my cousin's funeral.
I helped raise him.
And so to see all these people fake all of this emotion over George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks and everybody else that they're not connected to, they're using these dead bodies to advance their own careers and to build their own brands.
And it bothers the hell out of me having experienced the death of a family member at the hands of police.
They're all lying.
And so she used Drew Brees.
And then a couple of months later, the New York Times circles back to write a story about how pervasive racism is at ESPN.
Maria Taylor's at the center of it because during some conference call, one of her white co workers did, I think, not knowing or thought he maybe hit the mute button, but he turned to his wife or someone in his house on a Zoom call or conference call and said, Yeah, this is a gripe session for black employees.
And Maria Taylor told the New York Times that, Oh, that comment was a slap in the face.
And I was so offended because somebody said this is a gripe session.
If she's this sensitive to any comment and everything's a slap in the face, they need to fire her ass because she's not built for the spotlight.
And so she did that to the Dave Lamont guy, who he and his wife had actually raised some black kid for several years in their own home, who went on to become a college football player that people know about.
She just smeared this guy.
And then now she turns around a year later.
And does it to Rachel Nichols.
She's just stomping on the heads of white people in a racist fashion to advance her own career in an accepting and holding them to account.
She went to HR in those instances.
That's the thing that's a little odd to me.
People offend you at work, they can say sexist things, racist things, whatever it is.
To run to HR is the new thing where you've got to go tell mommy and daddy and get the person.
In trouble for an insensitive comment, or the Rachel Nichols thing was like, all right, she was on tape in a hotel room.
She didn't know it was a private conversation.
And, you know, it also appears she runs to the press, right?
It's like she literally did it in the case of the Drew Brees apology.
And I would say, even though she didn't give the New York Times a comment on the record when they broke this story a year later.
And by the way, Rachel Nichols has now been booted from the coverage of the NBA.
She's out altogether, and Maria's in charge.
She's clearly manipulating the press behind the scenes.
Tell me, Uncle Jimmy, I want to hear from you.
No, I just simply said that's how you fix racism right there.
That's how you correct it.
You correct racism with some more racism.
That's the way we get to the bottom of this problem.
Let's find a racist act to correct the racist act.
That's how we get to unity, as Drew Brees said when he looks at the flag.
Unity.
I just don't think any of it is racist, and I don't think America.
Promises you protection from insensitive remarks, and you get to decide what's insensitive.
No one else does.
And I'm just sorry if someone that I work with said, Man, Whitlock's overweight.
I'm just maybe that is a bit insensitive, but trust me, it's not going to stop me from doing my job.
If someone, if someone, look, if her boss had said, Man, we gave her this job because she's black.
What if I just walked up and said, Oh, Jason, you have a terrific body?
Would you go to HR?
Would you be like, I know he's lying.
That hurt my feelings.
You know, damn, doing well.
I ain't got no terrific body.
Passive aggression.
You might have a lawsuit, bro.
Yeah.
Well, I just, the whole thing is offensive to me.
And to sit around and act like that, black employees at these media companies or any of these companies must be kept in a bubble to be protected.
You got to walk on eggshells around.
I'm just trying.
Who wants to work with Maria Taylor?
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
She's like a police officer.
I thought the number one rule of the game was the mic is hot.
I thought that was the number one rule of the game.
She's going to.
She's reading her Maria rights or Miranda rights or whatever to everybody.
That's what they're going to change it to, the Maria rights.
The Maria rights.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion and human resources until I'm done with it.
Which is a very unforgiving place right now.
But here's my last point I want to ask you about on this because I do think it's interesting.
So Maria's been out there, you know, talking about Black Lives Matter, railing on Drew Brees.
You know, she's been sort of a social commentator for the past year plus.
And she's also, we learned from the New York Times article that just hit, you know, coincidentally, just as their contract negotiation is up. that she's been pushing for more black hires at ESPN, essentially saying that race should be a factor in hiring in promotion.
And then when someone is caught on camera saying behind the scenes, her race may have been a factor in her getting this job that Rachel Nichols had, she gets deeply offended.
Now, I understand why she was upset.
Like, I think I'd be ticked off too, because I'd say, oh, it was my talent that got me here, not my skin color, not my gender.
But I also see why it happened.
This is sort of the downside.
We saw this when Joe Biden said, I'm picking a black woman.
To be my VP, you know, if I get the nomination.
And then he did pick Kamala Harris.
And it's like, what?
She, I think she kind of failed us on that one.
What?
But my point is like.
You know better than that, Joe?
He set her up.
No, I'm just saying he set her up for people saying that her race and her gender were factors.
How can you say they weren't factors when he didn't say, I'm going to pick the smartest person I can find?
He said, I'm looking for the right lady parts and the right skin color.
And you know what?
I'm just going to take a guess that Kamala Harris probably doesn't care if you say her race and gender were a factor.
She's the vice president.
She doesn't give a damn what you think.
She's in a great role.
So I don't know.
It's kind of dicey.
Like if you're going to take a position publicly to push for more hires of color, hires of women people, blah, blah, blah, then when it happens, there's going to be some questioning of the basis for the hire.
Yeah.
You're thinking logic and reason are important to Maria Taylor and her contract.
Drive that she's on.
She doesn't want logic and reason to enter into this equation at all.
Because if logic and reason enter in, they're going to pay her about a million and a half.
They're going to give her about a $500,000 raise and say, Maria, keep giggling and laughing and flirting with Jalen Rose on air and shut the hell up.
If logic and reason had anything to do with this.
And so she's making illogical arguments.
She doesn't care that she's pushing ESPN, hire black, hire black, hire black.
And Rachel Nichols and everybody else overhears that with or without a tape.
Everybody knows that's what Maria Taylor and others are doing.
And so when Rachel Nichols hears that and says, Yeah, they took Maria's advice and these other people campaigning around here to hire black, hire black, hire black.
But now we're offended that that's being thrown back in our face.
It's a joke.
We love to holler, hire black, hire black, hire black, and tell somebody, hire somebody to replace our black ass.
And then we want to start crying.
Yeah.
Until then, Black Lives Matter.
Until you start messing with mine.
We're no different than Rachel Nichols, is basically what you're saying.
Up next, we're going to talk about this football player, Carl Nassib.
He's come out as gay and got all this media attention and, you know, sort of was celebrated by many as brave.
What does Jason think about it?
And it's going to, we're going to get into this discussion about how some people really feel the need to declare their sexuality these days.
Willow Smith, polyamorous.
Andrew Cuomo's daughter, who cares about her sexuality, but she wants you to know?
We take that up next.
Let me ask you about another sports story, and that's Carl Nassib, right?
Is that how you pronounce his last name?
Yeah.
Nassib, Nassib.
Nassib.
Right.
You know, me and sports, you guys are going to walk me through it.
But he's come out.
Honestly, I know nothing other than I know he's openly gay.
He announced that he's gay.
And you've said, Jason, that he looks more like Colin Kaepernick than like a Jackie Robinson.
Why?
Because he's an opportunist.
And he's another guy in a contract situation that stuck his finger in the air and was like, oh my God, the wind's blowing this direction.
Let me come out of the closet and use this as a ploy.
Yeah.
And use this as a ploy to improve my contract leverage.
He's third string right now on the Raiders.
No one had heard of him.
No one was talking about him.
He's on his third different team in five years.
He's 27 years old.
The Raiders' defensive end position is stacked with guys they've either paid, recently signed, or recently drafted.
And so he's in the second year of a three year contract.
He knows that if he doesn't get on the field this year and put up good numbers because he had a mediocre season last year.
After they first signed him, that this is it.
This is probably his last team.
He's going to get cut.
And so he needs to improve his leverage.
And now look, John Gruden, the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, they're in a tough spot.
The NFL's come out with a social media campaign.
The NFL is gay, it's lesbian, it's non binary, it's transgender.
They've leaned into Carl Nassib and this whole gay thing, LGBT.
Yeah, the LGBTQ.
I call it the alphabet mafia.
They've leaned into it.
They have another letter.
They just recently added an.
I can't keep up.
It's enough letters.
You got to come up with a little moniker at this point.
BLM's a part of the alphabet mafia.
PIA.
Ain't in there.
CIA.
NAACP.
HNIC.
Who can keep up?
Oh, man.
Rachel, I think you're going to get a little bit of a payday.
So the NFL has leaned into it.
I see your point.
He's looking for a payday.
He's looking to force his way onto the field and up the depth chart.
And John Gruden, the head coach, is under some pressure.
If they don't play this celebrated gay athlete, that's not a great look for the NFL or John Gruden.
If they decided to cut, hey, he's not good enough to make the team, that's not a good look for the NFL or the Raiders.
They have no choice but to keep him on the roster and play, or they're going to get smeared.
I have a question for you, Uncle Jimmy.
How is this our business?
Right?
How is this our business?
Sex Outside Marriage vs Gay Identity 00:13:50
Why is everybody declaring their sexuality?
Willow Smith, the daughter of Will and Jada, comes out and says, I'm polyamorous.
Ma'am, I'm like, what does that mean?
So I look it up.
Polyamory is the practice of having multiple romantic partners at the same time with the consent of all parties, meaning you're not monogamous with any one person.
My mama said that was a whole.
Stop it.
Stop it.
Okay, then there's.
That's how we rationalize it nowadays.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Megan.
I'm sorry.
Then there's Andrew Cuomo's daughter, Michaela.
who apparently was upset that her dad was receiving too much of the press coverage and decided to come out and announce to everybody.
Meanwhile, no one gives to anything about Michaela Cuomo and said, I am demisexual.
And now I'm like, well, what the hell is that?
I don't know what demisexual is.
So I looked it up.
Demisexual individuals only experience sexual attraction to people that they have formed an emotional bond with.
How does this get a name?
That's called our relationship.
That's my, isn't that called being like pretty normal?
Yes.
Ethical, moral.
So, if that's the case, I would like to make an announcement right here on your show right now, if I may, please, Ms. Kelly.
I would like to announce that I would like to be now called Uncle Jimmy Doggy Dog, if I can, please.
Just because, I mean, since we're discussing our sexual preference in the workplace, we're going to put it out there.
I'm just saying.
I don't want to, you know, I'm going to have this is my coming out party.
This is me now.
I would like to be called Megyn Kelly Top Rider.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm afraid to comment on that.
Don't, Jason.
I'm afraid to comment on that.
I'm just saying it's too much.
I don't need this information.
I feel like there's a level of narcissism in it.
You know, like I've got a label.
And now, because they've chosen these weird things, they can say, I'm queer.
I'm queer.
No, you're not.
That doesn't make you queer.
Stop trying to invent terms to make yourself sound special.
Remember a time when it was offensive to call someone a queer?
Remember?
I mean, they didn't like that.
That's them reclaiming the word.
And all of a sudden, it's okay.
I'm like, you like that?
That's a good.
No, I'm confused.
I like Bobby, Sherry, sir, ma'am, mister, missus.
I want to go back, or maybe I thought there was a time, or we need to start a time where people just keep their sexual activities just private to their bedroom.
And I don't need to know what gets you excited.
And that's my problem with Carl Nassib, the media has reacted like, oh my God.
What Carl Nassib does with his penis makes him more ethical and courageous than Jason Whitlock.
And I completely disagree with that.
But what of the argument, Jason, that gays typically, not as much in recent years, but typically have had a hard time in the country?
They certainly aren't prevalent or at least out and prevalent in the NFL.
And so this may make some young kids struggling with the sexuality feeling uncomfortable feel more accepted and more like it's going to be okay.
There is some truth to that.
And I am aware from my own childhood, in terms of I can remember kids, particularly male kids, that were more feminine than the rest of us and the type of bullying and harassment that they experienced.
I am really glad that that has lessened in this new era and it's been healthy for the country.
And so we have to be accepting.
And view men that express their masculinity or express their sensibilities in a different way than John Wayne.
And so I think that's good and healthy.
But this whole thing, we've moved to a point where we've, a bit, in my view, overcorrected.
And I'll go ahead and say, try to put it in context and not get myself canceled.
But look, I don't view.
Homosexuality is any different than I view my choice to have sex outside of marriage.
They're just both sin.
So you're not having sex?
No, I've said my choice.
I've had plenty of sex outside of marriage.
That's my point.
Yeah, that's my point.
But you see it as a sin.
It is certainly a sin.
It's certainly not something God wants me to do.
I put homosexuality in the same lane.
Not any worse.
Than my sin, but that's how I see it.
And so for me, having been raised in the church and having these Christian beliefs.
I think, and I've made choices, sacrifices because of my approach to life.
It's one of the main reasons I never got married because for a long time I didn't remotely believe in monogamy.
And so I thought it disqualified me from being.
So you're polyamorous.
The practice of having multiple romantic partners at the same time with the consent of all parties.
You're not monogamous.
No, I wouldn't say I was that.
I thought you were polyelastic.
What?
Polly spandex.
Uncle Jimmy, I'm confused again.
I'm just going to leave it at that.
Just making up stuff.
That I just wish we'd keep our sexual preferences more pride.
All of us, whether heterosexual, homosexual, trisexual, quadruple sexual, whatever.
Now, I'll go down for that trisexual part.
Try anything.
I'd say.
She's on top of the game, ain't she?
I understand the biblical definition.
Yes, have me on.
Of what's sin and what's not.
And I get that when it comes to gay relationships, gay and lesbian.
For me, I don't know.
I was always raised to believe in a loving God who loves us and that we're not mistakes and that he loves us as we are.
I just don't.
Maybe I'm just like a newfangled Catholic, but I don't see a God that's that judgmental of you based on your sexuality.
I realize what's been written.
I don't.
I just think.
Oh, I think he looks at your heart, whether you're a loving kind person and not what your sexual preferences are.
Well, hold on, man.
I think that the Bible is like a playbook for life and that the principles expressed in the Bible, there's a reason and a logic why God, I think, believes in monogamy and sex within a marriage.
I think it leads to a happier, more successful life.
The wages of sin, I take it.
I'll move away from sex, but it's just like the Bible preaches against gluttony.
And I have a problem with gluttony.
And there are complications from gluttony and being overweight.
And the Bible and God want you to avoid that.
And there are complications to sex outside of marriage.
That's why we have, if you look at all the illegitimate kids, there's consequences that we have running around America and just this whole.
Sexual freedom deal, you know, there's complications to that.
We have a lot of kids that have grown up and have never been raised because people that have put no thought into sex and having kids are having kids and they're letting video games and grandmamas and aunties and cousins raise them and those and foster care and all this other stuff.
So I think there's a logic behind what the Bible preaches and what God prescribes.
And, you know, we ignore it at our own peril.
Well, I see your point on that.
And I've said before, it'd be great if my kids would choose to be, you know, abstinent before marriage.
I doubt it's going to happen, but I would love it if they decided to go that route.
But to me, it seems different than talking about people who are gay or lesbians.
If you are gay and you try to live as a straight person, your life is miserable.
You're not happier.
You could become suicidal.
A lot of gay folks historically have.
Conversion therapy gets unleashed on you.
That makes you even more miserable.
You could become a dysfunctional person if you're pushed through that, where you otherwise could lead a totally happy, well adjusted life if you're just allowed to be true to who you are.
To me, that's what God wants for us.
He wants us to be true to who we are.
I think that's what society wants for us.
And I would say my sexual desires need to be tamed for me to live my best life.
And so I wouldn't be, and I'm not, I don't think God is asking homosexuals to do anything that He's not asking me to do as well as a heterosexual person.
Who has, you know, had, you know, a lot of sex outside of marriage?
That I've literally in the past few years, as my spirituality has grown deeper, I've changed course and have been going a better direction, and I see the benefits of it in my life.
But what's that, if that makes.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
You know, with that statement of you, I think that that's the reason that that's the importance of having God in your life early.
That's the importance of having a strong spiritual and religious belief early.
That's the reason you have to have values and morality early.
You can't wait until you get 18, 19, and 20 and start deciding, oh, I need to learn how to say no.
Because if you start having morals and values early, then you don't have to get to this part where now, guy, got a judge on the curb.
He's like, see, I told you this was going to happen.
Well, I think, as a general principle, that's true.
But not when you're talking about one's sexuality, which Most people will tell you, not these weirdos today who are just like, I'm ex-sexual, some made-up thing that they're just choosing to sound what they think is cool.
I'm talking about people who genuinely have a different sexuality other than straight.
You know, they talk about, you know, I tried kissing somebody of the opposite sex at 10 just to see if I might actually feel something, and no, I knew I was gay.
They knew it.
You know, it's not like morality is going to change that for them.
The way I see, I think, some of evolution in the church and certainly, in society, it is a blessing and a benevolence and a real sign of progress that we're loving our gay brothers and sisters and accepting them in a way we never did in a way that was very damaging to them.
Anyway, I see that you see it differently.
And I've heard this, of course, having a lot of people who are much more biblical than I am.
But I just, you know, I think about my own kids.
And if they turned out to be gay or lesbian, I certainly wouldn't be trying to change it.
And I certainly wouldn't want anybody else to be looking at them as just anything other than awesome.
I think that I am loving and accepting of everyone, regardless of whatever their sexuality is or sexuality issues are.
The only thing I would just like, as a society, has to have a standard and a goal.
And again, and we can have those without, because my promiscuity has never put me outside or made me a pariah.
In society.
And so we need to quit making gay people a pariah in society.
Certainly agree with that.
They need to make progress there.
Yeah.
Their sin through sexuality, no different than mine.
But where I'm really concerned, Megan, and I'm sure you've heard this before too, is just like when we come to this thing, well, you know, I just grew up liking 10 year old boys and girls.
Now, you can't link pedophilia with gay and LGBTQ.
I, You can't say preference anywhere, but one is just one's sexuality.
It's not a slippery slope.
They're two totally different things.
Okay, let me say, I'll stop.
I'll stop because it does get in the way.
Wait, but can I just ask you something?
And if this is too personal, just tell me to pound sand.
But if you're not married and you don't believe in sex outside of marriage, are you just living like a monk?
I mean, I just, you're too young, too good looking, you make too much money to be living like a monk right now.
What do you, how do you handle that?
No, You did not hear him, Megan.
He said that he is not without sin.
Yes, I'm certainly not.
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I'm making efforts to course correct.
I'm trying to, you know, part of the reason I'm making progress.
Yeah.
I left Los Angeles and moved to Nashville was to help myself and to be around high quality women who would make me elevate myself.
And just, I'm trying to be in a different mindset.
Do I sin?
I would say not as much as I used to.
I guess that's.
It's called progress.
It's called progress.
Big sexy.
He sins.
Up next, apparently our best runner, Shakari Richardson, is not going to be representing the U.S. in the Olympics because she had a positive test on marijuana.
AOC and others are saying this is racist.
The guys take that up next.
But before we get to that, I want to bring you a feature we have here on the MK show called From the Archives.
This is where we direct your ears back to a previous Megyn Kelly Show episode from our growing library that we think you need to hear again.
And today we are going back to episode 59.
from February.
We hear a lot about critical race theory in schools these days, but back in February when we started covering the story, we were one of the few.
And before he started becoming a true household name, we were joined by Chris Ruffo, who has been so smart and so important in this whole battle about what critical race theory is all about.
Take a listen.
Can we talk about that?
So let's go back and just talk about what critical race theory is.
I think a lot of people think they have a general idea, but don't really understand.
What is critical race theory?
Yeah, and critical race theory is a kind of academic movement that started really to kind of blossom in the 1990s and was really relegated to academia.
And the idea is that, is to kind of use race as a lens through which to analyze society and basically saying analysis up to this point has discounted the importance of race.
We should really look at race, racial discrimination, racial oppression.
And at that point, I agree.
I think that's actually important.
So the kind of premise is correct.
But they take another step, which is to say that they make a kind of historical judgment and then a legal judgment and a cultural judgment that the United States is fundamentally and irredeemably racist and white supremacist, and that all of our institutions, from the founding of the country to the current day, are merely kind of cover or smoke screens for racist oppression.
And the critical race theorists actually started out of law schools.
Their idea was that the fundamental rights that we have as Americans enshrined in the Constitution, articulated in the Declaration, are actually kind of perpetuators of evil, and that we should essentially overthrow the constitutional order and end the kind of unfettered protection of speech, end individual rights as individuals, end private property, which is another form of discrimination,
and then end kind of 14th Amendment protections.
That you're all treated equally under the law.
For the critical race theorists, these aren't actually signs of progress.
Even the Civil Rights Act, even desegregating schools, they were very skeptical of this because they say, It gives the appearance of progress, but actually doesn't change the fact that racism is as bad in 2021 as it was in 1814.
It's incredible to see how far this topic has come in just the past five months.
And we're going to have more on it here at the MK Show in the weeks ahead.
And we will keep bringing you more clips you need to hear from the archives.
Now back to Jason and Uncle Jimmy after this.
Beating Drug Tests and Colonialism 00:04:49
Help me understand.
why you are not on the side of, I think it's just Shawkerry Richardson.
Is that how you pronounce it?
I've only seen it.
Shawkerry, I think.
Shawkerry Richardson.
Okay, so she's apparently like our best runner and she's not going to be going to the Olympics to represent the United States because she had a positive test for marijuana, I guess.
And, you know, them's the breaks.
And Joe Biden said, yep, sorry, but that's them's the breaks.
But there's been a lot of pushback on the internet and elsewise, otherwise.
On this, saying it's unfair.
And you've got people like AOC saying that the criminalization and banning of cannabis is an instrument of racist and colonial policy.
This is colonialism, the fact that she can't race, even though the policy was pretty clear.
And to her credit, as far as I can see, she is not claiming that.
She's like, made a mistake, got to bear the consequences of it.
But the left is saying that this is actually somehow racist and part of our colonial history.
Your thoughts?
The rule was pretty clear, and it's an international standard.
Not everybody has America's new outlook on marijuana.
Other countries, you know, when you go all over the globe, there are different standards.
And so the International Olympic Committee has to come up with a standard that works for everybody.
Marijuana is still on the don't use list.
And so I don't have a lot of sympathy.
She broke the rule.
I do think she's made an excuse by because they keep saying, Megan, her.
Biological mother died.
And the reason why they keep using biological, I think, is because she didn't have much of a relationship with her mother, or they would just say her mother died.
And so the death of her biological mother allegedly caused her to use marijuana.
I tend to not buy that.
I smoked pot throughout my college years, drank a lot throughout my college years.
I'm not some prude.
Or whatever, I've written as a journalist about America's drug war and the unfairness of how the drug war was prosecuted.
As a sports writer, I've written extensively about this.
Having said all that, we should quit acting like marijuana is harmless.
And we have to understand that there's a connection between drugs and alcohol and criminal behavior.
Most of the people, and I say that 60, 70% of the people that commit violent crimes, Or on some type of drug or alcohol, mind altering hallucinogen.
And so we just need to quit acting like, oh man, they're just smoking pot.
Most of the bad decisions I made in life could be attributed to either marijuana or alcohol use, or women, or women, me doing something stupid.
And so, and usually those all work in combination women, drugs and alcohol, and dumb decisions for men.
They all work in combination.
And so, and then the other thing I would say, Megan, and I'm out here a little bit, but I just think they could have put her on the Olympic team to run the 4x100 relay because that.
Her 30 day suspension will be up when the four by 100 relay comes up at the Olympics.
They chose not to.
And so that to me indicates there are potentially other red flags.
Her teammates aren't rallying around her.
The USA track and field is not rallying around her.
That's fascinating.
So maybe there's more to the story and they may be protecting her with this story.
Look, when it comes to track and field athletes.
I'm not even going to say she failed a weed test.
I'm not even going to say she failed.
Some other kind of test.
What I'm saying is, your peers always know when you're doping far more than a drug test will tell you.
Your peers know it.
They don't have to wait on some drug test to confirm it.
And to me, when they didn't put her on the Olympic team on the 4x100 relay, I was like, I wonder what they think.
I wonder what the people that.
What they know.
Yeah, what they know think, what the people that actually have interacted with her know her far better than all the celebrities and tweeters.
And everybody, they know her better than everybody, and they don't want her on the team or they would have put her on the relay team.
Well, I should state for the record we have absolutely no proof nor even any allegations that she's doping.
But it's an interesting distinction.
Fourth of July Freedom for Whites Only 00:07:27
I hadn't, of course.
I mean, listen, when I was at Syracuse, the athletes there, it was a Division I school in virtually all major categories, they would openly talk about how they were beating the drug test.
And this is back 30 years ago, 1988 to 92, I was in college.
They'd openly talk about how they were way ahead of the drug test.
And of course, we've seen so much of that, Lance Armstrong and so on.
So it's one of the downsides of the doping world is that they've gotten so advanced and so clever that you just never know.
Tennis, too.
My husband wrote a whole book about the tennis world.
It was a fictional novel, but he had done a lot of research.
And I never knew you were married.
Yeah, yeah, I'm married.
I'm on my second marriage.
I would have known you were married.
I wouldn't have known you were married.
Jesus, Lord, Jason.
Come on.
What were those letters you said earlier?
And I thought she graduated in 2002 from college.
Thank you so much for that.
That's why I was just a baby.
I was like, that's that marijuana that you smoked three times.
It really does have long lasting effects.
Yeah.
All right.
Last but not least, let's get to Fourth of July because you've had some interesting pieces out lately about our country and how the removal of faith is by design and has been really toxic and damaging to our society and that it's not an It's not an accident.
You know, you call it, I think, Sin Valley.
Now, what do you call Silicon Valley?
Satan Con Valley.
Satan Con Valley.
That they've, they are not forces for good.
And that, you know, the total rejection of faith in the public square has led to a lot of bad things.
And I, you wrote this not long before we got to July 4th, and it rang true for me because on the 4th of July here at my house, we had a big party.
We had Daniel Rodriguez, the singer, the patriotic, the singing policeman, he's called.
America's tenor.
He sang all over the country.
God bless America right after 9-11.
It made him a star.
Anyway, we had our kids recite the Declaration of Independence.
Our friends and family did too.
It was wonderful.
Celebrated the country.
This is what I read when I get back to the actual press.
Cori Bush.
When they say the July 4th is about freedom, remember this.
The freedom they're referring to is for white people.
This land is stolen and black people still aren't free.
Then there's Maxine Waters railing about the part about all men created equal.
None of us love that, but we get it.
It was a long time ago.
about voter suppression laws and paintings still Michael Brown is a victim.
Michael Brown was the aggressor.
He got shot because he had repeatedly attacked a police officer.
According to five black witnesses on the scene who convinced the black attorney general, Eric Holder, under the black president, Barack Obama, that Michael Brown was no victim.
Okay, Maxine, then there's the New York Times.
Today, flying the American flag from the back of a pickup truck or over a lawn is increasingly seen as a clue, albeit an imperfect one, to a person's political affiliation in a deeply divided nation.
So only Republicans will fly the flag.
That's according to the New York Times.
Okay, and then here's the last one.
Well, actually, just FYI, Mara Gay, who's on the New York Times editorial board, she said just last month that she was disturbed to see dozens of American flags being flown by Trump supporters in Long Island.
It was disturbing to her.
And then there's Claire McCaskill, who announced that she is going to make her family watch video of the Capitol Hill riot from January 6th every July 4th.
Remind me not to go to her picnic.
So I'd love to get your thoughts on the anti Americanism, the belief that the flag is now just a Republican thing.
And that patriotism lies in watching the Capitol riot and talking about basically reinforcing how shitty the country is.
People that are involved in the retelling and reimagining of American history are doing it for the express purpose of trying to create the narrative and the belief that democracy and capitalism.
Our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, our founding fathers, all failures.
And it's failed so spectacularly that we need a great reset.
We need to remake America and the world.
And we need to make it in China's image.
That is the agenda, that is the goal.
These global elites and global corporations prefer China's system of government.
And they want to convert us to that.
The Chinese Communist Party runs China.
They want that here in America.
And so they have to create the belief, and they're doing it through black people because the actual truth about the black American journey doesn't damn America, it actually explains America and how inviting and how great freedom is.
And how our system and the documents from the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution allow for dramatic change that increases freedom for men, I mean, for black people and for women in this country.
That's been our history.
And black people's pursuit of freedom was the steroids that made America great.
Black people fighting for freedom from slavery, fighting for Freedom from Jim Crow and segregation, and just our full rights, powered America for 200 years into being the greatest country on earth.
And black people have been America's moral conscience and compass, and have made Christians, believers, pursue their better selves and make this country pursue its better self.
They're rewriting history.
No longer is America the greatest thing, and that all the rest of the globe is.
Trying to get in, beat in our doors.
Our borders are jammed to the South because America is so great.
And it has nothing to do with any of this crap the left is talking about.
It has to do, everybody else can see the obvious freedom and opportunity here.
And that's what America promises freedom and opportunity.
It doesn't promise you freedom from ever getting offended or any of this other crap that everybody thinks now America is supposed to do.
But all that you're hearing from Cori Bush, Maxine Waters, the New York Times, and all the, they want to reimagine America's history, use it as an excuse to blow up our Constitution.
To take away our rights and freedom and make us more like China.
Uncle Jimmy, what would you do if you showed up at Claire McCaskill's house on the 4th of July and she started running video of the Capitol Hill riot January 6th?
Reimagining America's History and Constitution 00:14:55
I'd probably ask her what was next.
Is she going to show the autobiography of Roots?
Roots?
Yeah, the TV.
I mean, what's next?
What's the next movie?
I mean, what are you going to do next?
Black Panther?
What?
I mean, that.
I like how you went to Black Panther, another fictional story, because this insurrection thing is a fiction.
A bunch of unarmed people.
Man, you better shut up.
You saying Wakanda ain't real?
Yeah, Wakanda's not real.
Man, you better get to hell.
See, that's why black people don't like it.
It's as phony as the insurrection.
Man, get out of here.
It's as phony as the insurrection.
Wakanda forever, damn it.
What a bummer.
Honestly, can you imagine?
Just like, let's pick any bad chapter in our country's history, put it on camera.
All right.
So I got to talk about you guys because last time we had you on, Jason, you were solo.
But there is a reason that Uncle Jimmy is with us right now.
James, Uncle Jimmy Dobbs.
And that's because you two are co hosts of your new podcast, which is called Fearless.
I love it.
Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
Did Uncle Jimmy not make it into the title of the Fearless?
Or did somebody short form my video?
I did not tell her to say that, Jason.
It's a contract dispute.
Oh, God, Jimmy.
It's a contract dispute.
I did not tell her to say that.
You know, at some point, Uncle Jimmy will probably release some kind of private phone conversation that we had or I had with somebody and blackmail me into putting his name in the title.
I don't know.
I got video, buddy.
I got video.
Remember the Tybo era when everybody, I got video of you and Billy Blanks?
That would be funny.
Yeah, that would be funny video.
So, how did you guys connect?
When I was working in Kansas City, I hosted a local radio show called Jason Whitlock's Neighborhood.
It's a morning radio show.
And Uncle Jimmy was the DJ that would call into my radio show under the name of Jimmy the Freak.
And this.
You didn't have to say that.
Yeah, this had to be 20 some odd years ago.
30.
And so Jim was this character that called into.
My radio show, and you know, Jim considered himself a ladies' man, and he worked at some nightclub called the Firelight, I think.
Did I get that right, Jill?
That's right.
Firelight Lions.
Firelight Lions.
JT the parallel, cancer to cancer.
And so, so I hear.
Yeah, Jim would call in with funny tales about his exploits with ladies and the sports world.
Hmm.
Jim is not worried about sin.
That was in a previous life.
Okay.
You're a form now.
That's where prayer and forgiveness come in.
And support chips.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So you connect, you had a chemistry.
And so what made you partner up, Jason, when you were launching?
This new show, and it's with the Blaze, I should say.
There's video too, so they can get you in whatever way they want to get you.
And I love Glenn, so yet another great hire by him.
What made you say, you know what would add to this?
I want to bring back Jimmy.
I want a partnership there.
Well, you have to remember Jimmy, in how many years ago?
Three years ago, Jim was still in Kansas City, Kansas.
He was a sergeant.
I worked in law enforcement for 17 years.
I worked as a sergeant in the sheriff's department in Kansas City, Kansas.
And I decided I was going to bring him on to my television show at Fox Sports to play the role of my uncle on my talk show, Speak for Yourself.
And people thought I was crazy.
People thought I was crazy.
Yeah.
Well, you were crazy.
But they thought I was crazy for wanting to do this.
The guy works in a jail.
He's going to crack jokes on TV now.
What are you talking about?
And so I had to twist arms and beg.
And eventually they allowed Jimmy to come on to move out to LA and appear on my TV show, Speak for Yourself.
He did a great job there with me for two years.
And then I left and went to Outkick, and Uncle Jimmy stayed back.
What a friend.
And continued to work on Speak for Yourself.
And I told him, I was like, look, man, when I get into my new thing and I get my show up, I'm going to bring you to Nashville to work with me again.
And we'll continue the, you know, that I got this narrative.
I got this uncle that beats me up and cracks jokes on me and puts me in my place.
I'm kind of known as a bully.
My shtick is I'm a bully.
And so Uncle Jimmy is the guy that bullies me back.
He bullies you.
Okay, I get that.
So now, Uncle Jimmy, how did you get into this?
Like, how did you find your way?
Was the opportunity of calling into Jason's show your first public appearance?
You know, it's like the first Jason show.
First of all, it was Jason's show.
Jason always tells this story and says it was his show.
It wasn't Jason Whitlock's neighborhood until after you got hired.
Before then, it was just a show that was caller driven.
And then suddenly he came aboard and took over the show, and that was it.
And you felt you were overlooked for the role?
No, it wasn't even that.
He just, it was a show that the callers ran.
We just did the whole show, and Jason came and added structure to the show.
It was just a joke that nobody liked him because he was running horrible callers off.
Jason doesn't like small talk, so people would call and say, Good morning, Jason.
He'd just hang up on him.
That is true.
It reminds me of when I was doing the O'Reilly Factor when I was at Fox.
I was coming up young in my career.
You'd sit down on the set with Bill, and you have to shoot the shit a little before the segment starts, right?
You come in during the break and you're waiting for the top of the show or what have you.
And I'd say, How's it going, Bill?
How are you doing?
And he'd say, I'm the same, Kelly.
The same.
Sounds like Jason.
I'm not real big on small talk, Jim.
Okay.
But, you know, I'll say this about Jason the friendship with Jason and I, truthfully.
It was a friendship that Jason saw that, I mean, he saw that I was working in a.
Yeah, at that time.
Yeah, yeah.
I was working as a DJ and a carpenter, right?
I was sanding hardwood floors.
Yeah.
I was, but I was also trying to be a wannabe comedian.
And I think the thing that Jason did, and let me just say this Jason was a friend of mine that I looked at.
And instead of looking at him like everybody else and trying to find fault in him, I looked at him.
He was somebody that I looked up to.
He was somebody that I said, hmm, I wish I could do that.
And after trial and error and finally learning a few things, and Jason trying to get me to understand Jim, you can either advance and be with me, or you can stay in that nightclub like everybody else in my daddy's nightclub and everybody else in our neighborhood.
You can either stay in that neighborhood or you can advance with me.
And it required some changes that I had to make in my life.
It required some different thinking that I had to make.
And, you know, Jason just had this thing, and I just want to say this real quick.
It was just always a case of, Jim, when I make it, I'm going to come back and get you.
You know, you always hear that story of two friends and one leaves, and I'm going to come back and get you.
Well, the time came and he came back and got me.
And I was conducting roll call on Wednesday and on Monday, I was on TV.
Wow.
I love that story.
So, I mean, you tell me, because this is an interesting background in Jason.
And when I see him, we're going to pretend he's not here for the second, for the moment.
When I see him, I do see somebody who's fearless because it's not easy to speak out in the way he does about this stuff, you know?
I mean, so we don't see eye to eye on, you know, the position about gays and lesbians in the country, but it's a conversation that we can have.
It's okay.
It doesn't cause me to demonize him or want to demonize him, but he gets demonized.
He gets demonized for his stance in particular on.
You know, black lives matter and defending our country and going after the sports leagues for being in bed with China, and everybody wants to diminish him for that.
It's much, much harder to be a black man and say these things even than to be a white woman and say these things.
You're going to get called names either way, but he doesn't seem to give a flying fig.
If you're going to say bad things about him and I really admire that so has he always been like that?
Um, if you think that's bad, try imagine imagining being his friend.
What do you mean?
What happens?
In other words, if you think those people, All of the things that you hear Jason, that people say behind Jason's back, imagine me being his friend.
People go, What the hell's wrong with that man?
You need to tell him.
And in other words, Jason doesn't care.
Jason's what you see from Jay.
And that's what I learned from him.
The one thing I've learned up until now is if you Jason taught me that if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
Jim, if it's not putting food on your kids' tables or clothes on their back, what are you talking about?
See, Jason taught me a lesson because I had this thing that's like, oh, he disrespected me.
I'm going to have to go.
He challenged my manhood.
He's like, Jim, you sound stupid.
You sound like people in my dad's club.
And the moment I stopped thinking like that and I started thinking a little smarter, my life changed.
I get that.
It is hard not to respond to your detractors and people who say untrue things about you.
You really want to punch back like all the time, but doing it is at your own peril, especially when you know your life is elevating, you know, because of your hard work, because of your connections that you've worked to make.
Your life is elevating.
And, you know, they say haters hate up.
So you always have to remember that, right?
Like, why would you punch down at these losers who are just jealous of you and want to say bad things about you?
Because then when you respond, when you engage, it just makes them feel up at your level.
Thanks for staying with us this far.
The end of the episode, and who's coming up on our next show? Is right after this quick break.
It's like this.
They say you have to be like a duck.
You just don't give a darn.
Oh, now we're going to start censoring?
And that's the truth.
I mean, and that's the problem that we have in the world right now.
I mean, really, you were using the analogy of Maria Taylor.
I think Jason was like using the analogy, said it was a slap in the face.
And I wanted to say, have you ever been slapped in the face?
I mean, you know, have you ever been slapped?
I've been slapped before.
That hurts.
I would much rather have somebody say something about me.
That's what they say sticks and stones will break your bones, but names don't hurt you.
Hey, man, I would much rather you say something bad about me, but we're in a whole different situation.
Ooh, I'm sensitive.
I know.
No, I know.
And Jason, you've spoken before about how it's not like you had this wonderful history where no one ever said anything racist about you or did anything racist to you.
You decided to put nose to the grindstone, grind it out, work hard, make an impression, and don't let these negative people's impressions of you or statements about you.
Define you.
I've chosen to allow Jesus Christ and my immediate family and friends.
I'm going to let them define me.
And so if they have some complaints, I'll listen.
Outsiders and just people that aren't happy with their life, I just don't have time for that.
And so I wrote a recent piece, I think, about.
You know, some of the things that happened to me early in my Kansas City Star career.
Kansas City Star, yeah.
And I just, you start arguing with stupid people and it distracts you from the work you need to do to maintain success and be more successful.
And then it's like some people have zero impact on your success.
All they can do is gossip and talk about you because that's the only role they can play in your life.
And it's just not that important of a role.
And, and, I just think about what my parents and grandparents and the previous generation endured so that I could have the opportunities that I have.
And it just, nothing, the resistance I face just doesn't compare.
Someone, Rachel Nichols, gossiping about me on a phone has no impact on my life.
It has no impact on Maria Taylor's life.
Rachel Nichols isn't denying Maria Taylor any opportunities.
Maria Taylor has been fast tracked her whole career at ESPN.
She's been given nothing but opportunities.
And at 34, ESPN was willing to pay her $5 million a year.
I wasn't making $5 million at 34.
Your legs don't look as good as her legs look either.
Come on now.
My dad means ESPN is crazy.
You know, Uncle Jimmy, you can get in trouble for that now, too.
Did you see the thing with Boris Becker?
Boris Becker was commenting on Wimbledon, I guess, and they showed one of the players' wives, some guy lost to Djokovic, and the guy who lost to him has a girlfriend, not a wife, I think, just a girlfriend.
And Boris Becker said, She's pretty.
They were showing her on camera.
And there's this blowback, like, You're inappropriate.
How could you?
It's like, Who are these people who think they speak for all women by saying what's offensive and what's not?
If somebody wants to call me pretty, go for it.
Now, look, if I'm in the middle of like doing a presidential debate, It'd be nice if you commented more on my intellect, but I don't care.
I like to be called it's absurd.
Tanya Harding and Women in Sport 00:04:11
I don't know who these feminists are who think that they're doing us some kind of a solid.
What if the camera would have gone on her and he would have said, Holy shit, she's ugly.
Then what would it have been?
Oh, no.
Listen, the women in sport, I just looked it up.
The Women in Sport and Perception Agency, okay, unclear.
They say they've worked for decades to change sporting culture, including to end the objectification of women.
When two men are comfortable talking about women in this way, never mind on live TV, it shows there is still more to do.
We need everyone to understand how this impacts on women and girls, how it makes them feel.
Well, you don't speak for me.
It makes me feel good.
You want to call me attractive.
Shouldn't we be inspiring the next generation of girls to play sport rather than?
Talking about what women look like.
All right, dumbasses.
She wasn't playing sport.
She was sitting in the bleachers watching her boyfriend play.
And by the way, if you go to this woman's social media, every single picture is of her in a bikini looking sexy into the camera.
She has no problem with you calling her pretty.
So shut up, women.
Can you put that at the bottom of this, please?
I'm just saying.
I like to go back and check your facts.
Go ahead.
Research.
Fact check.
Yeah.
Everything's banned.
But you know, your point about Maria Taylor, it's a good one.
And what if she had said, what if Kayla, what's her name, Johnson had brought her the tape?
Maria looked at it and said, I understand.
It sucks to get demoted.
Anyway, off I go to my major position that I've replaced Rachel in.
Yay!
Yay me!
And then she just kicked ass.
You know, I mean, that would have been the way to handle it in my view, the classiest way.
And instead, she made a thing out of it.
Rachel went to HR.
Rachel Nichols has now apologized.
She refuses to accept the apology.
She won't return any of Rachel's calls or her texts.
She won't even speak to her.
She said Rachel can't appear on her show at all.
The NBA finals that she now Maria is hosting, Rachel can't be on the show.
ESPN taped Rachel Nichols' mini reports and put them on anyway so that they wouldn't have to have any interaction and Maria wouldn't have to actually look at Rachel or talk to Rachel.
And then Maria felt slighted by that, that she even appeared on.
I mean, my God, get over it.
It's like this is a tough industry.
People are going to throw elbows right near you and you've got to be able to forge forward.
Ooh, you know what this is, Megan?
Here it goes.
And I didn't originate this comment.
A friend of mine, Greg Couch, that appears on my show.
This is Nancy Kerrigan, Nancy Kerrigan, Tanya Harding in the broadcasting booth.
That's what this is.
Yeah.
It's true.
Sometimes one competitor tries to club the other.
And the best revenge is to just go out on the ice, skate well, and get a medal.
Yes.
There you go.
Right?
I think Maria Taylor's Tanya Harding and Rachel Nichols is Nancy Kerrigan.
And I always, you know, I've always favored Nancy Kerry.
You know, I can't say that, to be honest with you.
I'm softening on Tanya Harding.
Her teeth always bothered me.
Interesting.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
There's a big showing of the front teeth there and the smile.
But didn't you soften on Tanya Harding after the iTanya movie?
No, I don't think.
Is that the release porn video she put out?
No, that was Sarkar.
Yeah, I softened on her after that one.
After I saw that shit, I softened on her.
Okay.
Stop it.
It wasn't good.
I don't think I bought that movie in terms of, I didn't buy the narrative arc.
I thought it was too sympathetic and tried to paint her, you know, as this victim.
I didn't buy it.
Although I did, I do remember at the time, I think I kind of preferred Tanya Hardy.
She kind of had that other side of the tracks look that kind of appealed to her.
Yeah.
And she genuinely came from that and she had a painting ass mother who had that.
That she'll do anything for a dollar look.
Like she fit into Diamond Joe's.
Didn't she look like she could really fit into Diamond Joe's, Jill?
Give me a dollar to make you holler, really, Jason?
Fun Listening Experience Ahead 00:01:54
Oh my god.
This is a lot of sinning, Uncle Jimmy and Jason.
I'm working with him, ma'am.
I'm trying.
You might need a better spiritual leader, Jason Wilcox.
That's the problem.
I do.
Right.
And there we go.
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I see why it's worked so well.
You're so fun.
I love listening to you guys together.
And so far, it's kicking butt.
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It's been a pleasure.
And I've heard you commit to coming on my show.
100%.
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She is a Trump-supporting female comedian.
Boom.
Need I say more?
She's going to be interesting.
And she is hilarious.
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