Michael Knowles and Congressman Riley Moore dissect Trump's primary threat against Kentucky libertarian Thomas Massey and contrast Desiree Sagari's prison sentence with the lack of prosecution for conservative figures. The host critiques Xi Jinping's "Thucydides trap" framing versus Trump's personal diplomacy, while linking declining teen alcohol use to a 45% drop in face-to-face socialization signaling societal crisis. Moore debunks Mehdi Hassan's denial of Nigeria's Christian genocide, citing over 100,000 deaths since 2009 and urging U.S. intervention. Finally, the episode questions Martin Luther King Jr.'s true legacy as a colorblind idealist or radical, noting his family's lawsuits to silence critics. [Automatically generated summary]
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Good News Amidst Threats00:05:42
Chinese leader Xi Jinping threatens war with the U.S. on President Trump's first day in the Orient.
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All right, let's start out with some good news because the biggest story is that Trump is in China right now and Trump opens up with these really nice comments about Xi Jinping trying to make peace, make friends, make sure we all get along.
And Xi Jinping comes out with a haymaker and essentially threatens World War III.
So we'll get to what that means and the strange, not strange, very popular, but I think misunderstood historical theory that is undergirding the Chinese bellicosity.
First, though, a little bit of good news.
I want a little bit of good news here.
There's a woman named Desiree Sagari.
As a cigar man myself, I don't claim her.
I'm very ashamed that she shares the name of my favorite hobby.
Desiree Cigari threatened Republicans on TikTok.
Okay, guys.
So I would like to start a new movement called CMAGA.
MAGA.
Because people like that respond to fear and terror and aggression, not logic and empathy and I don't know, intelligence.
It doesn't work.
For them.
So, fear works.
So, if we all get our guns and use our Second Amendment right and our common sense at this point, this administration is begging us to rise up and revolt.
And you see somebody with a MAGA hat, pew pew.
That's what we do.
That's the way.
It's the only way.
Put them back in their basements, make them scared again to be racist, homophobic, terrible, just awful pieces of s.
Because I would way rather live next to immigrants than MAGA people.
MAGA people deserve to be terrified and scared to walk in the streets because they should know that real Americans are going to.
And kill them.
Okay, that crazy lady was just sentenced to 14 months in federal prison after a jury found her guilty of making threats on TikTok.
This is really good stuff.
It deserves attention, it deserves applause.
This is exactly right.
I have been calling for this, not just over the last year since the near assassination of President Trump and the successful assassination of Charlie Kirk.
I have been calling for this for many years.
And now the government is doing something about it.
This is really good.
What's important about that video, though, what's important about the case of Desiree Sagari is that she is not an outlier.
She's not a weirdo.
There are about a zillion libs who have made exactly these kinds of threats.
Notice, this isn't a direct threat against a specific person.
I'm sure she's made those too, but this is a more general threat.
I mean, it's specific in that she's saying, look, go to the MAGA people and go shoot them.
But then it's a little ambiguous.
She says, and put them back in their basements.
Are we going to put them in the grave?
We're going to put them in the basements.
It's a little unclear because she does say, go out there and shoot them.
They need to live in fear.
Well, hold on.
This is exactly the kind of thing that the live streamer, Stephen Bonnell, who goes by Destiny, He said this right after Charlie was murdered.
He said, or no, I'm sorry, it was right after the near assassination of Trump.
He said, these conservatives need to be afraid to go out in public.
We need to threaten them.
They need to be afraid to go out there in public.
So why isn't he being prosecuted?
Hassan Piker has threatened to kill, called for the killing of multiple sitting U.S. senators, Rick Scott and Tom Cotton.
Ironic, too, because they're not the most bombastic senators.
Great Men Change History00:14:50
They're pretty moderate and pretty middle of the road.
He's called for their murder.
Why hasn't Hassan Piker been prosecuted?
I don't mean to just whine and complain.
Conservatives love doing this.
This is something great.
The prosecution of Desiree Sigary should be celebrated, maybe with a cigar, maybe with a Mayflower cigar.
But this is just the beginning.
This needs to be just the beginning because the really scary thing that we learned after, especially after Charlie was killed, is that this view is pretty mainstream.
A huge chunk of ordinary liberals and Democrats think this way, desire the murder of Republicans, threaten the murder of Republicans.
And the only way that you're going to change that behavior.
Is first through prayer, second through our behavior in the world, you know, modeling good behavior, being the country you want to be.
But third, and you can't lose this point, through ruthless prosecution because the law is a teacher.
So it's a really good start.
Okay.
Speaking of violence, President Trump is in China.
China.
And President Trump opens up, contrary to what people say about him, that he's belligerent, that he's undisciplined, that he's emotional.
He's really not.
He's really.
Quite good at negotiations, as we've seen throughout his entire career.
And he can be very, very charming.
Trump opens up in this very friendly and, notice, very personal way, speaking about Xi Jinping, the leader of China.
Well, President Xi, I want to thank you very much.
First of all, that was an honor like few have ever seen before.
And I think I was particularly impressed by those children.
They were happy, they were beautiful.
The military is obvious.
It couldn't be better, but those children were amazing and they represent so much.
And I know they represent so much to you.
You and I have known each other now for a long time.
In fact, the longest relationship of our two countries that any president and president has had.
And that's, to me, an honor.
We've had a fantastic relationship.
We've gotten along.
When there were difficulties, we worked it out.
I would call you and you would call me.
And whenever we had a problem, People don't know whenever we had a problem, we worked that out very quickly.
We're going to have a fantastic future together.
But it's an honor to be with you, it's an honor to be your friend.
And the relationship between China and the USA is going to be better than ever before.
So, notice Trump's tactic here Trump's tactic is it's wonderful to be with you, my friend.
You and I, personally, individually, you and I, not America and China, you and I, she and Donald. have known each other a long time.
In fact, we have a longer personal relationship than any other previous president and president or chairman of the Chinese Communist Party because Trump has a non consecutive second term.
So it's all this very personal aspect.
Thank you for that personal display that you guys just put on for me.
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to be your friend.
All personal.
Then Xi Jinping comes out, drops all the personality, and says that the two nations, China and the United States, Might go to war.
The whole world is watching our meeting.
Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe, and the international situation is fluid and turbulent.
The world has come to a new crossroads.
Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations?
Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?
Can we, in the interests of the well being of our two peoples and the future of humanity, build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations?
These are the questions vital to history, to the world, and to the people.
They are the questions.
Of our times that you and I need to answer as leaders of major countries.
This year.
Notice, notice the totally different framing.
I haven't seen anyone else talking about this.
But this is crucial to understanding the showdown right now between Trump and Xi and America and China.
Notice, it's none of this, hey Don, good to see you again, buddy.
Love your suit.
Hope we can go get a round of golf after this.
How are the kids?
It's none of that.
It's all impersonal.
This is a discussion of bilateral relations between your.
People and my people, the United States and China, can we avoid the Thucydides trap?
That's the key to the whole thing.
What is the Thucydides trap?
The Thucydides trap refers to the Peloponnesian, the history of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, the ancient Greek historian.
Thucydides doesn't invent history.
You have other history, such as Herodotus, you have histories that are a little more fantastical, but Thucydides gets credit for the first kind of realist history, really down to earth history.
The, I don't know, the archetypal kind of history writing that we think of as history today.
And In the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides writes this one line that has gotten a lot of play among political scientists recently.
He writes, It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this instilled in Sparta that made war inevitable.
So, this is one line from Thucydides, but in recent years, specifically by a Harvard political scientist named Graham Allison, this has come to define what international relations geniuses call the Thucydides trap.
And the argument is that when you have an established power like Sparta and a rising power like Athens, when those two forces are at play and the rising power really, really, really starts to rise, war becomes almost inevitable.
And this Harvard political scientist, Allison, says in a book, he writes that there are 16 historical instances of an emerging power coming to really rival a ruling power.
And in 12 of those 16 instances, it led to war.
So, this is proving, almost proving, Thucydides' supposed argument that the war was inevitable.
This is the perfect way to see the difference between how Trump thinks and she thinks, how America thinks and China thinks.
Because Trump is thinking in terms of individuals, great men, personalities, freedom, choices, opportunities.
One man can change history.
She, a communist, right?
You have Donald Trump, an individualist, an American, a guy who thinks that anyone can do anything, especially in America.
And there's no limit to what Trump can do.
I'll take over this industry and that industry.
I'll put my name on big buildings.
And then you have Xi, who's writing from the perspective of Chinese communism, who's thinking, no, history is defined by impersonal historical forces, the science of history.
So he's not thinking about individual great men.
He's thinking about these impersonal forces.
So of course, he's much more given over to the thinking of the Thucydides trap, which gussies up modern, mostly left-wing political theory in the robes of antiquity to give it this kind of patina of authority.
But the question is, is that real?
Is the Thucydides trap real?
Is the argument real?
And is America therefore on a collision course with China?
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The Thucydides trap.
I don't really like this phrase.
I've invoked it before.
I don't really like it, though, because I think it's a way for modern, especially liberal poli sci people to borrow the authority of a great historian like Thucydides.
But there were a lot of serious academic historians, not just random Harvard political scientists.
Who said the Thucydides trap thesis is a bunch of BS?
It's not true.
If you look at the 16 conflicts that Graham Allison points to, they don't really work for the thesis.
There are plenty of other conflicts and potential conflicts that don't really match the thesis.
And even when you go to the Peloponnesian War, I mean, the great historian, Donald Kagan, who was a professor of mine, actually, he made the point.
He was a Yale guy.
There's another Harvard political scientist, or sorry, another Harvard historian, Ernst Badian, who, Said that Thucydides' trap is bunk, actually.
The reason that the war in the Peloponnesian War broke out is because there was a quarrel in Epidamnus.
There was the Megarian decree, the economic policies of the Athenians.
There were the perfidious designs of the Corinthians.
There was the person of Pericles who made specific decisions, who had free will, who made some decisions, some of which were not good.
And then he died, by the way.
He just sort of died because of the plague.
And had he not died, maybe the war would have taken a different ending.
The Thucydides trap is more appealing to communists and the we can work it out ideas of Donald Trump.
It's more appealing to those who believe in great men.
One is more appealing to China, one is more appealing to America.
And I think Trump is right.
And I think the Trump political project, Trump's whole Raise on debt as a politician is to prove that great men really can change the course of history, that great men really can play a role.
And so we often have these two theories of history contraposed against each other, the impersonal forces theory and the great man theory, the great man theory, which comes from the 19th century, Thomas Carlyle, very conservative guy.
And my own theory of history, not to take a squishy middle road, but my own theory of history is a kind of Christian version of the great man theory.
Great man, like the great man upstairs.
In that, look, there's obviously providence to history.
There are forces on the move in the world that are beyond our own individual will.
God is sovereign over history.
But God works through individual men, men who are made in the image and likeness of God and who are rescued by God himself, who becomes man in Christ and who enters into history and all the political workings of history in the Roman Empire, in the time of Augustus, who is crucified under Pontius Pilate, who suffers death, who conquers death on the cross, who is resurrected on the third day, who institutes a church.
that is visible within the world.
And so there's a little bit of both of these.
There are obviously historical forces at work, but men really have free will.
Men, especially cooperating with God's grace, really can make a difference.
And that's what Trump is saying here.
Trump is saying all your stupid communist theories, liberal theories, left-wing IR theories, Thucydides trap, that's all a bunch of bunk.
It's just me and you here, Xi.
And if you make the wrong choice over Taiwan, we could blow up the world in World War III.
But if you make the right choice, we can work together and we can have peace and prosperity.
Don't blame impersonal forces.
Don't try to shove your responsibility off on some impersonal forces of history.
No, no, no.
It's me and you here, guy.
And we've been friends for a long time, longer than any other leaders of our countries.
So let's work it out.
And I think Trump is right.
But from the standpoint of history, 20, 30, 40 years from now, I think a lot of the judgment of what the Trump era meant will be a judgment of that theory of history.
The American empire was really on a steep cliff of decline.
During the Bush era, second Bush era, and then into the Obama era, we were really just crumbling.
And then Trump comes in and he says, I'm going to make America great again.
Can I do that?
Are the impersonal forces of history too great?
Can one man make a difference anymore?
That's what Trump is asking.
That's the point of the Trump presidency.
And here you see this great brewing conflict, and Xi Jinping is saying, I don't know that a great man can make a difference in history.
I think China's rising.
We're Athens, you're Sparta, and we're going to come to conflict.
What's it going to be?
I still think Trump is right, but it's a showdown.
It's a showdown, really, to zoom out again.
It is a showdown between a more Chinese view of the world and a more American view of the world.
Okay.
Speaking of Trump as the great man kind of guy, the Vice President, JD Vance, just was asked a question yesterday.
He keeps getting asked, hey, who's going to be the nominee in 2028?
Is it going to be you?
Is it going to be Rubio?
Is it going to be someone else?
Who does Trump want?
Why does Trump keep asking these questions?
You know, hey, crowd, do you like Vance?
Do you like Rubio?
What's that all about?
Vance, I think, gave the perfect answer.
Us who are bringing this up, a couple days ago, Trump made this statement to people in the Rose Garden.
Why do you think he does that?
Do you think it's a little bit of toying with you both over your succession?
Why do you think he brings that up, just number one?
Well, I just don't think it sounds like the president of the United States to have a televised competition for who would succeed him as his apprentice.
Trump's 2028 Succession Questions00:02:49
I just think that's not at all what you would expect the president to do.
But no, look, I think the president, he's always been fascinated by politics.
If you talk to him, he was fascinated by politics 30 years before he ever ran for office.
So, I think it's natural for him to joke around with us a little bit, to play around with the idea.
But I can tell you the president is as focused as any of us on making sure we do as good of a job now for the American people.
I love this answer.
I love that he laughs it off, but with some real substance here.
He says, Hold on, is your question that Donald Trump seems to be creating a reality television show to determine who will succeed him in this big role?
Wow, I don't think he would ever do that.
Are you suggesting he might be extremely internationally famous for doing just that?
Oh, yeah, gee, I wonder.
And then he turns it back to, but I'm not taking the bait.
You know, I'm going to play my role.
Because the way that he's going to get that apprenticeship is he's going to play his role and he's going to do a good job as vice president, which he is doing.
And he's obviously the favorite to succeed President Trump.
That was true when he picked him.
And President Trump made that clear in his comments just a few days ago.
But this is the way to answer that question, especially this far out.
We were talking about how AOC is currently the frontrunner for the Democrats yesterday.
If I'm Gavin Newsom, I'm happy about that.
I don't want to be the frontrunner a year and a half out, according to the polls.
This is why, if I'm the vice president, I'm not that concerned that Rubio is looking good in the polls right now.
Say, yeah, this is not the time to be peaking.
This would be peaking a little bit too soon.
But I like the way that Trump is dealing with this, too.
One, he doesn't want to say this person is definitely my successor because then he becomes a lame duck.
How's he going to negotiate with China or Iran or any of the other countries in the world if he does that?
But two, He's saying, look, nothing is set by impersonal forces.
Nothing is totally set in stone because the rules of the GOP say so.
I'm the guy.
Okay, I'm the guy acting in history right now.
I, Donald, am a great world historic figure.
That's his claim.
Whether it's true or not, that's his claim.
And I think there's some good evidence that it is true.
And so he says, look, we're going to play this thing out.
We're going to see how it goes.
And it's very American in the sense that this lack of confidence in the certainty of the science of history or progressivism or whatever. Opens up a lot of opportunity.
He's saying, hey, even if things look kind of bad, you can do things.
You can do things.
You can succeed.
We can change the supposedly doomed outcome of our country, our empire, what have you.
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The percentage of 12th graders who have ever consumed alcohol, high school teens, has collapsed.
In 1975, 92% of 12th graders had ever, ever. Consumed alcohol.
Today, 2026, I guess these data really only go up to 2024, just 47%.
So it's cut in half, basically.
That should be a good thing, right?
Well, I don't know.
Hold on.
Who had ever consumed alcohol?
I was having a little bit of wine at Christmas dinner when I was six years old.
Okay.
Maybe because I'm of Italian extraction, that's a little more normal.
I don't know.
But I didn't go to Ragers or Keggers in high school.
I would sometimes be at parties where there was alcohol.
But I didn't really indulge, but I would have alcohol a little bit with my parents' understanding.
I mean, with like, I'd have a cigar when I was a teenager.
My mother would let me have a little bit of cognac or a little bit of wine.
I don't know, maybe that's unusual.
But the point that my mother made was one, you're going to go to college soon and you need to know how to drink so it doesn't get away from you and you don't end up in the hospital or something like that.
But two, because alcohol is part of social and festive culture.
When you go to Christmas dinner, when you go to a holiday and all the adults are having beer or wine, maybe they give you a little sip too, to make you part of that.
It's a social right.
And so even when you think of the bad or abusive drinking that happens in high school, you know, parties and where the parents don't know, keggers, whatever, why would it be a bad thing that teenagers are drinking less?
Because it means that they're socializing less.
That's obviously what it means.
Some people are arguing, Well, no, you know, look, alcohol use has declined, but marijuana use has skyrocketed.
Yeah, there's a little evidence that marijuana is much more popular than it used to be, but look at the marijuana chart.
Same chart, or same institute, the Institute for Family Studies, shows that in 1975, 1977, 56% of 12th graders had ever used marijuana.
Now, that had cratered down to only 33, 34% by 1992, because, by the way, the war on drugs worked.
One of the worst retconnings, revisions of history, is this idea that the war on drugs never worked, which was promoted by the left and the libertarian right.
And that's totally fake.
The war on drugs worked really, really well.
We largely stopped people from doing drugs.
The people who continued to abuse drugs, we put in jail and society was better.
Nevertheless, we'll go down to the bottom in around 1992.
Then it spikes up again in the 90s when we gave up on the war on drugs.
But now it's fallen down a little bit too.
So now we're at 34%.
So even marijuana use has dropped among teens.
Taken in isolation, I would think that's a good thing because marijuana is not the most social drug.
Sometimes people do it.
They pass a bowl around or something like that, but it doesn't make you more extroverted.
It's not a social lubricant.
If anything, it makes you more introverted.
But the fact that marijuana use has declined alongside alcohol use declining means this is not about people just becoming more temperate or something like that.
It's because kids are not socializing.
The Atlantic reports that face to face socializing among high school teens has declined by over 45%.
Between 2003 and 2022.
Exactly the same sort of rate that you're seeing among marijuana use and especially among alcohol use.
This is a real crisis because people need to socialize because man is a social creature.
We're not just atomized individuals, we're a social creature.
We need to socialize.
When we don't socialize in person, because we're not just virtual creatures, we're not just spiritual creatures, we're incarnate creatures too.
When we stop socializing in person, society breaks down because the definition of society is people getting together.
To celebrate that alcohol use among teenagers has dropped so precipitously is sort of like celebrating that peanut allergies declined in Nagasaki in 1945.
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It's technically true, and I guess that would be good.
You don't want peanut allergies, but The reason the peanut allergies declined in Nagasaki in 1945 is because we killed everybody.
To use a real world example, not peanut allergies, there was this celebration five, six years ago that Iceland had eradicated Down syndrome.
And you say, well, that's a good thing.
Down syndrome is a difficult condition and it causes all these problems for individuals.
But the reason that Iceland had eradicated Down syndrome is because they killed all the babies that had Down syndrome.
You say, well, that's kind of a Pyrhic victory.
I wouldn't celebrate that.
We're not going to celebrate genocide or murder.
This is a big crisis.
We should all be hoping that the charts show that alcohol use among teenagers increases soon.
Because if people are not socializing face to face, they're not having babies.
They're not being well adjusted.
They're not getting to know their community.
They're not engaged civically.
If teenagers are not drinking alcohol and it's not being reflected in the data, we're going to have a lot more problems than 17 year olds having hangovers the next day.
Thomas Massey facing a real challenge now in Kentucky.
So, Thomas Massey is this libertarian favorite.
The libertarians love him.
And, you know, I've liked a lot of what he's done over the years.
I'm not like totally anti Massey.
I'm not a libertarian, so I'm not totally pro Massey.
And I got really irritated when he made this turn against Trump.
He made this turn.
He decided he was going to pal around with Democrats more frequently.
And so, Trump said, All right, you're out.
You're out, guy.
And I'm going to primary you.
And at the time, a lot of people said, well, look, you can primary someone like Adam Kinsinger.
You can primary someone like Liz Cheney, people who are not particularly popular with the base.
But Thomas Massey has a pretty loyal base of support, especially among his local constituents and especially among the more libertarian side of the conservative movement.
So I don't know.
You might be going a little far, President Trump.
And right now, the Calchee markets have Massey's primary opponent at Galrain in the lead, 55% to 47%.
Now, it's changing by the minute.
So even as I'm saying this right now, it might have already changed.
But you're seeing public opinion polls showing this too.
Qantas Insights reported that out of 908 respondents, Galrain, the primary opponent, got 48.3% of the vote.
Massey was over five points down at 43.1%, 7.6% undecided, so the undecideds could decide it.
And then among the undecided voters, 52.4% said they leaned toward Galrain, Massey's primary challenger.
On top of this, there is a new scandal that has supposedly come out about Thomas Massey.
This is from Axios.
Again, this is just days before a primary campaign, so we need to take some big grains of salt here.
But Axios reporting that an ex girlfriend of Thomas Massey, I guess from after his wife had died, his wife died somewhat recently, and then an ex girlfriend from after that period between his wife dying and his remarriage, is accusing him of offering her hush money because he got her a job with this other congressman, Victoria Sparts, and then it didn't work out in that employment, and then she didn't want to sign an NDA.
tickets.
So it was this, I don't know, it's very, very complicated.
It's not really related to any accusations of sexual impropriety or sexual crimes or anything like that.
I don't, I don't know.
To me, you know, this reads like a typical campaign dirty trick.
Both parties play it.
That's just how politics goes.
Nevertheless, I'm not really interested in this supposed scandal with Thomas Massey or supposed hush money or any of that stuff.
What I'm interested in is, will Massey go down?
A lot of outside money has flooded into the race.
And a lot of money specifically around the issue of pro-Israel or anti-Israel, because Massey has taken more of an anti-Israel stance.
And so a lot of pro-Israel donors have flooded money into the race.
But it's not just the Israel issue.
To me, what's even more interesting than that is what it comes down to.
over Trump saying, hey, you're out.
You turned on me.
You're not towing the party line anymore.
You're going a little bit rogue, Thomas Massey.
You're palling around with Democrat Ro Khanna.
You're creating a lot of problems for the Republican political coalition and for the White House.
So I'm taking you out.
And Thomas Massey says, come and get me, bro.
I'm really popular in my district.
This is kind of the showdown as to whether or not President Trump has an ironclad grip on the party.
If Trump and Trump's political machine Can unseat Thomas Massey.
It is indisputable that Trump and his coalition and his donors and his voters and his everybody has an ironclad grip on the party.
If Massey squeaks by and wins, I think there's still a ton of evidence that Trump has a huge, substantial hold on the GOP.
But it'll be a different thing.
If Massey goes down, I don't see how anybody denies that Trump has the GOP.
In a lock.
It is just, it is his party.
He took it over in 2016.
He changed the coalition.
He grew the coalition.
And the GOP is him.
Okay.
Much more to get to.
There is a wild Democrat congressional primary going on right now where John F. Kennedy's grandson, Jack Schlossberg, is, I guess, he's sort of the front runner.
But the campaign is so bad, even the New York Times is calling it out.
Calling it a chaotic campaign with erratic behavior, staff turnover, questioning young Mr. Schlossberg's readiness for office.
And all of that has me really actually just wanting to endorse Jack Schlossberg because it would be the funniest outcome in a solid Democrat district.
Anyway, well, maybe we'll get to that tomorrow.
I also want to get to a kitchen knife that now has a firmware update.
We have to subscribe to everything now, including our knives.
What happens if you don't pay the subscription?
It's going to jump off the counter and go right at you, stab you in the chest.
But speaking of Congress, we have an excellent, excellent guest, one of my very favorite members of Congress coming on, Ryler Moore, to discuss an issue that was denied during my Dartmouth debate with Mehdi Hassan a week ago.
My favorite comment yesterday is from Jessica Haggerty, Z8X, who says, unhoused, X. Cross out, done.
Untuthed, checkmark.
That's where it's at.
It's like the Drake meme.
It used to be bums and vagrants and indigents to refer to those people on the street.
Then it became homeless, then it became unhoused, but Karen Bass has changed it.
It's now untoothed.
They don't have teeth.
That's why we need to give your taxpayer money to give fake teeth to homeless, violent, schizophrenic methods.
Of course, it's political common sense.
Speaking of political common sense, very, very pleased to be joined now by one of my very, very favorite members of Congress.
That would be West Virginia's Riley Moore.
Congressman Moore, thank you for coming on the show.
Hey, Michael, thanks for having me on.
Look, I want to get your opinion on about a billion things.
The first one, though, Pertains to me.
The things that pertain to me are on the top of my mind more.
I was at Dartmouth last week and I was debating the left wing pundit, Mehdi Hassan.
He used to have a show on MSNBC, one of the leading left wing pundits.
And we were debating whether or not President Trump has upheld the Constitution.
I'm happy to say that I actually persuaded the Dartmouth audience.
Trump's constitutionality won the day, even in the liberal Ivy League.
It was all, it was, because it was clear.
It was the easiest case to argue in the world.
Trump's obviously upheld the Constitution.
There was this weird digression in the debate where Mehdi Hassan denied that there was a genocide of Christians occurring in Nigeria.
It was such a bizarre swerve.
And it was really shocking to me, actually.
I thought, how could anybody deny this?
And I know, That among all the excellent work you're doing on domestic issues and other foreign issues, you have really focused in on the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, so much so that the president has focused on that a little bit too.
Just to settle the score, clear the record here.
Is Mehdi Hassan right?
There's no genocide of Christians in Nigeria?
Or what's going on?
Mehdi Hassan is absolutely wrong.
And the interesting thing is, this is the same narrative.
I guess they just send out like talking points to every liberal and it's like, hey, here's the new narrative.
They're saying the same thing in Congress.
We had a hearing on this and Jayapal and everybody else were denying that there's any Christian genocide.
They're trying to make it about this farmer herder violence, intercommunal conflict, when it's very clear what's happening.
I've been to Nigeria.
I went there.
We went there on a congressional delegation, investigated this issue because the president asked me to do so.
And I can tell you, I've seen it with my own eyes.
And the investigation that we undertook and the report that we presented to the president makes it very clear what is happening in Nigeria.
Is a Christian genocide.
So I'll give you an example.
In the previous administration, Joe Biden, he kind of set the tone on this.
He said, well, the violence is actually being precipitated by climate change.
We have.
I shouldn't laugh.
It's too dark, but the genocide is because of climate change?
Well, that's why people are getting killed because of climate change, because it's aerial land conflicts and herder farmer conflicts.
So, because of climate change, it's made it harder to grow crops and to graze cattle and all these things, not due to the fact that there are Islamic terrorists just roaming the middle belt of Nigeria and just murdering men, women, children, priests, nuns, everybody because they are Christian.
They've burned down over 20,000 churches in Nigeria.
We have well over 100,000 Christians murdered since 2009, and that just continues.
Now, because of the work President Trump has done, what we have done, we did see.
The administration over there in Nigeria starts to move in a positive direction, but it's kind of backslid right now.
And I did come out with a pretty forceful statement on it.
But I can tell you as a fact, I met with people living in IDP camps, internally displaced persons, Benway State, which is over 80% Christian, but 100% of those camps are filled with Christians.
So these Fulani Islamic militants, if it were about land, why are they attacking refugee camps?
I met a woman.
Who had all five of her children murdered right in front of her?
I met another woman who had her two daughters and husband murdered in front of her and they killed her unborn child.
I mean, these are real horrific genocidal crimes that are taking place in Nigeria that, as Christians and you and I as Catholics, we can't turn a blind eye to.
We cannot turn a blind eye to this.
And they're trying to smooth this thing over as intercommunal violence or whatever it is.
They can't take the narrative.
That there are Islamic terrorists, Muslims running around murdering Christians.
It is what's happening.
I've been there.
It is exactly what is happening.
Right.
It's not the land.
It's not the sun monster.
It's specific people.
We were talking about this at the top of the show when we were talking about Trump's trip in China.
These two apparently different views of history China taking this much more structural science of history, Thucydides trap kind of view of history, and then Trump taking the individual, great man view of history.
And you think, hey, guys, it's not just the impersonal forces coming from the freaking sun, it's Islamic terror groups.
who are killing Christians.
Those are really specific groups for specific reasons.
But then on the question of America's role on the world stage, on America turning a blind eye or not turning a blind eye, how are we to think about this?
Because so much of the language of the right, MAGA, America First, has been about focusing on domestic issues and getting out of conflicts in the rest of the world.
But then when you hear about an Islamic genocide of Christians in Nigeria, I don't know, I think any person with a beating heart and a well-formed conscience says, well, hold on.
We have to do something here.
We can't just totally look away from this.
So, how should we be thinking of America's role in these conflicts?
Look, Michael, we're a Christian nation.
We are 100%, we are a Christian nation.
And I think we have an obligation to do something here.
These are our brothers and sisters in Christ that are suffering for the profession of their faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
We have to do something on this.
And look, the president has designated them a country of particular concern, which opens up a bunch of levers in terms of sanctions and visa restrictions and all these things we can do.
He did send the terrorists a Christmas gift last year, 12 Tomahawk cruise missiles.
And I do believe that we are going to start to continue to engage in a more forceful manner on this if the Nigerians can't figure this out.
We had come to the table wanting to work with them in cooperation and coordination to help stabilize their country.
And someone will say, well, you're only talking about the Christians.
Yes, Muslims are being killed too.
Of course they are, because some of them won't submit to ISIS, they won't submit to Boko Haram.
And it's horrific.
Every life has value.
It's terrible when anybody's murdered.
But it is five to one Christians being killed in that country versus Muslims in a country that is 50% Muslim, 50% Christian.
So the numbers bear it out.
It all bears it out what's happening here.
But we have a duty, in my view, as a Christian nation, to stand up for our brothers and sisters.
Now, before I let you go, Riley, there are so much more I want to talk to you about.
I want to talk to you about the Middle East.
I want to talk to you about China.
I want to talk to you about domestic issues.
But I can't let you go because we've been talking about so much of Congress today.
Without asking what is going to happen in the midterms, obviously, there's a lot of focus on Thomas Massey's seat in Kentucky, just north of me, right here, on that Republican primary.
But then, even more important, what is going to happen for the GOP broadly?
Because I was sitting down with a mutual friend of ours and your leader in the House, Mike Johnson.
This was a couple months ago.
And Speaker Johnson said, Michael, I think we're going to grow the majority.
I said, What's in your coffee cup?
Can I have whatever he's having?
Can I get a shot of that too, please?
That sounds great.
And I know it's sort of his job to be encouraging.
Optimistic and rally the troops.
But then, then I started to see the redistricting in Florida.
I saw the redistricting, obviously, in Tennessee following the Supreme Court decision in Louisiana versus Calais, which struck down the Democrats' racist gerrymandering, which gave some seats over to the GOP.
I saw the Virginia Supreme Court strike down the absurdly deceitful referendum, which duped a bunch of Virginia voters into disenfranchising the Republicans.
All of a sudden, I'm saying, hold on, the GOP might pick up potentially 14 seats in the House.
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Maybe I don't need to be such a doomer.
Where do we stand in the midterms?
Well, you know, look, before they overturned that referendum in Virginia, I was not feeling very optimistic.
But, you know, you had that VRA getting struck down.
I'm feeling a lot better about it.
So we're going to have a lot less seats that we're going to have to defend, that we're going to have to defend in this upcoming election.
Obviously, look, history's against us in this.
It has happened before, though, where we're able to maintain the majority.
At the end of the day, you're talking about 15 seats.
15 seats are going to decide the majority.
And so we now have to play less defense and can go on more offense.
I feel cautiously optimistic, is what I'd say right now, but it's going to be hard.
This is not going to be easy.
This is not a slam dunk.
This is going to be hard, but it's going to come down to 15 seats.
Maybe just we need like three or four more court decisions, get rid of like three or four more states and Democrat representation there, and then I'd feel even better.
Riley, wonderful to see you.
We could go on for another hour.
So I very much look forward to having you back to talk about everything else.
Oh, thanks, Michael.
God bless.
Thank you.
Good to see you.
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