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Folks, we are live at the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral for the launch of the Artemis II rocket, which means that this is the first time that we have sent a man to the moon in 53 years, or depending on your perspective, ever.
As the NASA director speculates on extraterrestrial life, and a former member of Congress swears to have been briefed about alien-human hybrid breeding programs here on Earth, the Artemis program stands to restore some much-needed certainty into our knowledge of the cosmos.
and our confidence in our nation.
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We are 16 minutes away from the opening of the official launch window when the Artemis II rocket could go up on its journey around the moon.
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This mission is very, very cool.
This is the first manned mission to leave low Earth orbit since 1972.
That was Apollo 17.
This was the 11th crewed mission of the Apollo program.
Now, we have sent Objects outside of low Earth orbit.
Artemis 2 follows Artemis 1 just a few years ago, it was in 2022.
That obviously did not have a crew.
And so this is really big.
These astronauts will not be landing on the moon, but the whole point of this is to prepare another, I believe, but opinions may vary, land mission onto the moon.
Because what President Trump has said, what NASA has said, is that we're going to go back to the moon and we're not going to leave this time.
We're not just going to go and take science experiments, take photos.
There were six manned missions to the moon.
By the end of it, they were playing golf.
They were driving little dune buggies around the moon.
You know, I don't know, they ran out of things to do and then we stopped going.
Twelve astronauts have landed on the moon already.
This will be a little more politically significant because the United States, just as we were in a space race with the Soviet Union back in the 20th century, now we're in another space race with China.
And so we want to claim the territory on the moon.
Because even though the moon is pretty big, the territory that you would actually want to establish a base on is relatively small.
And so what NASA wants to do is not just have these launches occur every few years.
They want Artemis launches every 10 months.
And they want to send people to the moon.
They want to have people staying on the moon, just as people will stay 100 days, 200 days, 300 days in the International Space Station.
So too they want to do this on the moon.
So what is happening on this mission?
The first and most important thing is that NASA brought me this donut.
They brought me this delicious Krispy Kreme donut to celebrate Artemis.
And, you know, look, I know that the astronauts on the spaceship have suffered a lot.
They've trained.
They're going to be very physically uncomfortable.
I don't think that compares to my physical suffering because it's still Lent.
And so I'm not allowed to have this delicious looking donut right now.
And so, you know, listen, while you're looking at the physical accomplishments and distresses of the astronauts, keep me in your mind because it's very difficult to have that nice, tasty NASA donut.
Sitting right off to the side.
I will go home after this.
The astronauts will not.
God willing, all things go well.
This will be a 10 day mission from launch until splashdown once again in the Pacific off the coast of San Diego.
What is the point of this mission?
The point of this mission, technically speaking, is to show that the gear works.
So, one of the points that people make about the Apollo mission is they say, it's so crazy that we were able to go to the moon six times in the 1970s, but we weren't able to go, we're not able to go to the moon today.
We've lost the technology, the technology is different now.
The technology is totally different now.
That was largely analog technology.
This is obviously radically different.
So, we have the Space Launch System Block 1 rocket.
And the Orion spacecraft.
We already know that those work and that they can circle the moon.
We want to make sure that they can work with people.
The mission will head on up, we'll fly around the moon, and then we'll use the gravity of the moon to shoot the astronauts back to Earth so they won't have to make all that much of an electrical or a fuel alterations.
You can tell, I'm not really an astronaut.
Physics isn't my thing.
The other point of this will be to collect data.
There will be scientific experiments that take place.
And this will be the farthest that any human being has ever been from Earth.
So, the previous record was Apollo 13.
That was the mission that obviously didn't work out very well, though ultimately the crew returned safely.
Apollo 13's record was 248,655 miles from Earth.
This one's going to beat it by like three inches, but I don't know, it's only by a little bit, I think by 0.5% or something, but they're going to be able to beat it.
It will also be the fastest re entry ever.
The astronauts will re enter at 25,000 miles per hour.
And when they're actually around the moon, they will get to about 4,000 miles from the moon's surface.
So, the way to think about that is if you were holding a basketball, not something that I regularly do, but if you were holding a basketball right out at arm's length, that is what the moon will look like to the astronauts.
The crew is Commander Reed Wiseman.
Reid Wiseman has spent 165 days in space on the International Space Station.
So, this is, I think, his second trip up.
There is Victor Glover.
Victor Glover is the first non white guy to travel beyond low Earth orbit.
He's already been up in space for 168 days on the International Space Station.
Then we have a lady, Christina Koch, I believe.
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Koch or Koch, I'm not sure how it's pronounced.
328 days on the ISS.
And then Jeremy Hansen, who is a Canadian.
And what more needs to be said on that?
These are our brave, intrepid astronauts who are heading up.
I believe they've held the clock, if I'm not mistaken.
They've held the clock at 10 minutes.
That means we are preparing.
That means I didn't come down to Cape Canaveral for nothing.
So, obviously, everyone on the edge of their seat.
In the meantime, this gives us an opportunity to think about what this means.
Why are we doing this?
The first thing you think about is the technical majesty of the whole thing.
Wow, isn't it cool that they can make the rocket ship go up?
I was standing next to one of the engines earlier, one of the engines that they've used on these kinds of missions, and the thing that struck me so much about it is that it just looks like an engine.
I don't know, I expected it to look different from it, but it just looks like a car engine, but a lot bigger.
It's still kind of greasy and weird and complicated and oily.
Anyway, so the technical marvels are really, really amazing.
Then the next level is the I don't know, the political dimension.
Why are we spending so much money on this?
This thing's going to cost $40 billion or more.
Why are we spending money?
What's the point of this?
And then there's the deeper perspective, which is the religious dimension.
What does this mean?
Why are we doing this?
Is it good to do this?
Is this going out and exploring God's creation?
Is this something God would like?
Is this an affront to God?
Are we trying to build a tower to Babel here?
I was joking a little bit off the top about the large and growing number of people who don't think that we went to the moon in the first place.
And a lot of people have religious objections.
They say, among this relatively modest set of people, but growing, they'll say, well, it's, no, this is a little too much.
This is Promethean.
This is demonic.
This is man trying to expand beyond his natural limits.
And my point, regardless of whether or not you've even considered the religious perspective, is that the traditional view from the religious authorities in our civilization is that space exploration is very cool.
It's very pro.
This goes back not just 50 or 60 years, this goes back centuries.
This goes back 500 years at least.
You think of Pope Gregory XIII.
Pope Gregory XIII reformed the calendar from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar, coincidental that it had the same name as him, in 1582 in accordance with astronomical observations.
The church has been observing the stars, has had astronomers, has had observatories.
For hundreds and hundreds of years, going back at least to the 18th century.
And the Vatican, the church, has worked with NASA, in fact.
And I think the clearest justification at a very deep level for what this all means why are we doing it?
Are we doing it to go get minerals off the moon?
Are we doing it to stick it to China just like we stuck it to the Soviet Union?
Why are we doing it?
I think of Psalm 18, maybe Psalm 19, depending on your edition of the Bible, which is that the heavens show forth the glory of God and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.
Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night showeth knowledge.
There are no speeches nor languages where their voices are not heard.
Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the earth." It seems to me that the reason to be interested in this is because it is deeply Christian.
If you believe that faith and reason are not opposed, but that faith and reason go together, then you should be eager to explore.
You think about the explorers who brought us to this country, the explorers who brought us to this continent.
These were deeply Christian men, going back especially to Christopher Columbus, who was reading the Liturgy of the Hours on his ship.
Deeply pious Christian man.
What was the name of the ship?
The Nina, the Pinta, and what?
The Santa Maria, the St. Mary.
This desire to go out and to understand the world, it can be Promethean, it can be wicked, it can try to take the created world for our own uses.
But really, I think what motivates exploration, whether we're talking about scientific discovery, whether we're talking about physical discovery, whether we're talking about sailing around the world or flying up to the stars.
What motivates it in the best way is to come to know the glories of God because the existence of God can be known with certainty from the created world.
And the more we see about the world, the more we see that the heavens show forth the glory of God.
So I think it's very exciting.
There's nothing to be worried about from a traditional religious perspective.
Though it does raise major questions.
For one, are the astronauts going to go see aliens up there?
The NASA administrator is Team Alien.
Which is why I'm really glad that I'm here and not Matt Walsh.
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The NASA administrator believes in aliens.
That is the first statement that gets me to wonder.
Maybe we didn't go to the moon the first time.
However, I'm looking at the clock.
We're still firmly fixed.
At T minus 10 minutes.
It is 6 21 p.m. Eastern Time.
The official launch window opens up at 6 24.
So we'll either be together for two hours and go home empty handed if they don't launch it, or this rocket could be going up in the sky any minute.
The first time in 53 years that we have sent people to the moon.
And just yesterday, the NASA administrator, Jared Isaacman, said that he believes in aliens.
Do we have the clip?
I think most people, if you ask them, in the night sky, they look up and see all the stars and they're like, okay, well, that's one galaxy.
There's two trillion galaxies.
And how many stars are there?
And how many of them have exoplanets in Goldilocks Zone?
Yeah, sure.
Surely there must be life out there somewhere.
I would say there is a chance there could be life out there everywhere.
If we go, now, it doesn't mean it looks like us, it doesn't mean it has the tentacles like you have in the movies.
But I would say if we can get to Mars and we can bring samples back, I'd put it at a better 90% chance that we could prove there was some microbial life on Mars.
Now we have a mission called Europa Clipper going to the moon of Europa where we think there could also be biosignatures.
We are launching a nuclear powered octocopter in 2028 to go explore Saturn's moon of Titan.
Now, what if you find biosignatures there?
It changes the whole equation from looking up and saying, well, the odds would say surely it's out there somewhere, to what if in our own solar system.
It could be everywhere.
That would be, I think, the most, I mean, it would be the most like consequential discovery in human history.
Nah.
Look, far be it from me to question the NASA administrator who is doing a great job.
I mean, here we are.
I have heard people saying that this NASA administrator, Jared Isaacman, has done more to accelerate and make more efficient this agency in 12 months than previous administrators did in many, many years.
This is all very exciting.
And I'm sure he's very good at running the agency, but he's totally wrong on the aliens.
I just don't buy it.
Because the argument, the argument, of course, always is, but the universe is so big.
Are we counting down?
Here we go, baby.
We're counting down.
The window is open.
We had bets among the Michael Knowles show team.
We said, when is this countdown going to start?
And I was, and I have to say, the man who I borrowed these glasses from, Nick, we were very much on team.
They are going to start this countdown.
Immediately when the window opens.
And Mr. Davies is going to owe us a bunch of drinks later tonight because he bet that it was going to take much longer.
Anyway, this is very exciting.
It's all about to take off and it gives us just enough time to point out that the NASA administrator is totally wrong on aliens.
Not only is he the administrator of NASA, but he's also a commercial astronaut himself.
So I know, look, I know he's got more hands on experience, but the argument that the cosmos is so big, therefore, statistically, there must be some aliens somewhere, that Doesn't really hold water because, in order to ascertain the probability of something, what needs to be done is you need to know something about how that thing comes to be in the first place.
And when it comes to the natural origins of life, we don't have anything, we just don't have it.
So, anyway, we'll find out.
Who knows?
Maybe when the NASA astronauts are on that other side of the moon and they're going to see parts of the moon that other astronauts have never been able to see before, maybe they'll see a little green man or a little gray man.
But until then, I'm not really buying it.
Now, Many, many people hold the view that the NASA administrator does, including people like C.S. Lewis and a lot of people, including people even like Matt Walsh.
Another political figure has taken the alien talk a little further.
That would include former Congressman Matt Gaetz, who just claimed that the military is breeding aliens with humans to create a hybrid race of little green-ish men.
I think the most important information will be the biologics that are not human that have been discovered.
And, like, even some of the briefings that aren't classified just need to be out in the public.
I mean, I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States Army, that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication.
An actual Uniformed member of the United States Army briefed me on that.
What they explained is that the military ran a very secret program where aliens that were living were enforced breeding programs with humans that had been abducted from war zones and from even the caravans of migrants.
Now, again, I didn't verify this, but what the whistleblower was telling me is that there were like between six and 12 locations around the country.
So, in case you missed that, in case you didn't, there are apparently six to twelve, up to a dozen military bases where the United States military is raping aliens or humans with aliens or aliens with humans.
In any case, lots, they say forced breeding, that's rape.
Congressman Matt Gaetz is saying publicly that uniformed military personnel are claiming that the Army is raping aliens.
And I don't look, I've gotten along very nicely with Matt Gaetz, and but I don't color me a little skeptical.
I don't really, I just don't.
What I'm saying is, I don't look, I don't even believe in aliens, so I don't really believe in the hybrid programs.
Okay, what is this about?
Look, first of all, I'm not calling Gates a liar.
There are lots of kooky people out there.
First of all, it might just be that this guy who briefed him, he said this was not in a classified setting, this was not in a SCIF, it was not in his official office, I don't think, in Washington, D.C.
So this guy, I don't know, it might have been a guy who just ran to the Army surplus store, grabbed a camouflage t shirt, showed up, said, Congressman, I have something to tell you.
But even if it were a member of the military, there are a lot of weirdos out there.
You know, there are a lot of people in positions of real power and authority who believe lots of kooky things.
And I guess this is my point.
as we've been joking for the whole show, which is, you know, hey, this is our first time back to the moon in 53 years, or depending on your perspective, ever.
Because a lot of people think we never went to the moon.
The numbers are pretty wild.
One in 10 Americans is dead certain that we did not go to the moon.
That's one in 10 Americans.
However, when you change the question from, are you sure this thing is fake, to are you skeptical?
Are you not totally sure that we the number jumps to one in five.
20% of Americans wonder, are not totally sure, think that maybe we faked the moon landing.
When you get younger and younger, Those numbers go up and up.
So when you get to millennials, one in four, just under one in four millennials, thinks that the moon landing is fake.
Those numbers hold firm with the zoomers as well.
So when you look at Americans ages 50 and under, Americans 50 and under are three times as likely as other Americans to think that the moon landing was fake.
You look at Americans 34 and under, that number jumps to six times as likely.
Why?
Why is it?
Because of the prejudices and temptations of presentism.
You see this in all of politics.
We just think that we're the best.
We think we're the best.
And so we think that we're much more moral than anybody who came before us.
That's why we topple statues.
That's why we tear down people like Thomas Jefferson, because he owns slaves.
We kill 70 million babies a year, but no, forget about that.
We're good.
We're the most moral people ever.
But Thomas Jefferson owns slaves, so we're much better than he is.
We think we're smarter.
We say, look, I have this little device right here.
Look at this, I have this little portal to hell in my pocket, this magical little device.
And so, therefore, I know more than anybody who came before me.
I know more than Thomas Aquinas.
I know more than Aristotle.
I know more than Julius Caesar.
I know more than everybody, more than Cicero, because I can access information.
Now, I don't actually know more than any of those people, but we flatter ourselves that way.
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And so, I think that's what's going on with the moon landing stuff.
And what's going on here in T minus 2 minutes and 51 seconds is that We're going to get a little injection of certainty.
That's the point here, I think.
I don't really blame people for thinking we didn't go to the moon.
I'm going to confess something.
Can I be honest here, even though I'm on federal property?
I've wondered myself.
In fact, there was one time not that long ago, I come home to sweet little Elisa and I say, we didn't go to the moon.
I said, why, Mike?
And I said, we didn't go to the moon because I saw someone sent me a link to some bootlegged documentary from.
20 years ago or something, that in which it proves we didn't go to the moon.
He said, What?
And I'd already watched it.
I made her, we watched it again.
I finished watching it the first time with her.
I said, See, we didn't go to the moon.
She was a little more skeptical.
And then I said, Let's watch it again.
I went back to the beginning to show it to her again.
By the time I got through the second time, I said, Oh, wait a minute, we did go to the moon.
In two minutes, we're going to get a lot more certainty.
I don't blame people, especially because we haven't done it within living memory for a ton of Americans.
The argument that I always found most persuasive as to why we didn't fake the moon landing is that the Soviet Union would never have let us get away from it, get away with it, or get away from the hoax of it all.
You know, we were in a very serious Cold War.
And the whole reason that we had the space program was because of the space race against the Soviet Union.
Don't you think?
I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy.
I think it's a sign of an active mind.
But don't you think that had we actually faked it, the Soviet Union might have called us out for it?
The Soviet Union would regularly lie about us to make us look bad.
You don't think they would tell the truth to make us look bad?
So we're in this crisis, this kind of epistemological crisis politically, because we don't know that we can trust anything anymore, especially with the advent of AI.
We don't know if we can trust our eyes.
We certainly don't think we can trust the media, what we see.
We don't trust the government because Dr. Fauci lied to us.
We don't really trust historical events as they fade away from memory.
This is one of the reasons why it's important for us to do things again.
You know, politics, political communities, even the individual human life is not just about doing something once and then being done with it.
It's about cultivating habits and obtaining objectives and then building on those objectives.
Now, this is where you're getting from the president that we're going back to the moon.
And we're not going to leave this time.
We're going back.
How are we looking on our clock?
19 seconds.
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Here we go, baby.
Okay, I don't think I'm going to be able, I would happily monologue during this.
I'm not going to be able to because I think the earth is going to shake.
Seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.
Wow.
Oh man.
I have to switch my sunglasses to the polarized ones.
That is freaking cool.
You actually don't really hear or feel it.
You have to wait for it to rise up.
That is one of the coolest things I have ever seen in my life.
And I've seen a lot of very cool things.
It's so bright.
I actually had to change sunglasses to these slightly better cheap sunglasses.
Wow.
That was very, very cool.
Now, of course, the question is just where are they going to ditch that rocket ship, you know, so that they can pretend to go to the moon and, you know, I don't know, get on a boat or something.
No, I'm joking.
I'm joking.
I think that's real.
Thank God, too.
You know, there was this fear after, of course, the Challenger explosion in the 80s, after the Columbia re entry disaster in 2003.
There was a real fear God forbid something would go wrong on this mission.
And it seems to have gone.
Just perfectly.
You can still see it.
You can still see a little dot out there.
The clouds of smoke are pretty stationary.
Confirmed separation.
Wow.
Main engine's throttle.
Now I'm very, very excited.
I think soon we'll be going to some of our guests, including the great Bill Whittle, who is as obsessive and encyclopedic about the American space program as anyone I've ever met, as well as Matt Walsh.
Who might be one of those alien hybrids that Mac Gates was talking about?
Let me know when we have Mr. Whittle, because I have about a billion questions for him.
In the meantime, I do want to get to the chat a little bit.
Everyone's just saying the same thing as me.
Freaking cool.
Godspeed indeed.
The smell of burning rocket fuel is the next Michael Knowles candle.
That'd be a pretty good one.
Don't blow up.
Don't blow up.
Yep.
I'm gonna cancel my subscription after this.
Yeah, well, yeah, we're not gonna beat this.
At this point, you know.
Bit of a flutter.
That was awesome.
Stove 1776 says AI slop.
Okay, now I know, I don't know if you're being facetious or not.
I know, like, I get the impulse to blame everything on AI, but I am physically, this is me.
This is real Michael.
It's not like, I don't know how to prove it.
Hey, look, I have five fingers on my hands.
See?
So if I had a sixth finger, you'd know I'm AI Michael.
If I'm real Michael, I'm really here.
I really saw and felt that.
Can you still see?
Now it's out of sight.
The cloud's obviously not really moving at all.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Are they actually going to be landing on the moon?
Okay, hold on.
I've lost the chat.
NASA can send a rocket into space, but I can't get my chat to work.
America is the best and it's not even close.
So true.
Brady Kay, I finally made it to a live with Michael.
What was for breakfast this morning?
The important questions.
What was for breakfast?
I actually had a nice little Eggs Benedict at the hotel.
That's my move when I go to a hotel.
Because even cheap hotels have Eggs Benedict a lot of the time.
Okay.
Bring on Bill, he's so great.
Yes, I'm very excited.
Mission Control Nashville will tell me when we have Bill on.
My boys are thrilled that Knowles is visiting our town.
Oh, are you here?
You're here over by Cape Canaveral?
Very cool.
Watched a rocket launch from an oil rig once.
It was blindingly bright.
Truly amazing.
Ice shield will get hit soon, says Spiegel's.
Well, that's the question, yeah.
When will the rocket just hit the firmament?
The ice shield firm.
That we don't know.
We're going to find that out momentarily, I'm sure.
Houston has them.
There we go.
I love being American.
Whoa, Isabel Brown coming in hot.
Where's Isabel Brown?
Do we have Isabel Brown coming in too?
I don't know.
I don't know where that's coming in.
Leave those glasses on all week?
Yeah, I don't know about that.
This is the kind of greatness that we voted to bring back.
Yeah, I think this is true.
I think this is what a lot of Americans have been missing for a while.
I came up in politics during the Tea Party era when everyone just said, we need to spend less money and do less stuff and whatever.
We just need the smallest government possible.
It's very libertarian toned.
And then Trump comes around and he says, no, I want to be big and great.
I don't want to spend less money.
I want to make more money.
I want to be richer.
I want to be bigger.
I want to be, but I want to spend more money.
And I want to go to the moon.
I want to stay on the moon.
And I want to build a Trump casino on the moon.
And I want us to be big and American.
Okay.
To celebrate this, we have our friend Bill Whittle, the host of What We Saw Apollo 11.
Bill, do we have you?
You got me, Michael.
How are you?
I don't have you.
Yes, okay, I do.
There's a slight delay.
You know, the way that our control room is set up in Nashville, I think probably the astronauts can speak to Houston faster than I can speak to you.
Bill, I'm just going to throw this out there.
I just watched that rocket ship take off.
So I am now pretty confident that we actually do go to outer space.
One in ten Americans say we never went to the moon.
One in five say they're not sure.
One in four millennials say we never went to the moon.
People under 50 are three times as likely to say we didn't go.
People under 34, six times as likely.
Did we go to the moon, Bill?
Yeah, we sure enough did, Michael.
And the reason, as we mentioned in the incredible work that you guys did for me and with me on Apollo 11, what we saw, is that the moon landing is presented to the public as something that just parachuted in out of space.
Like we just decided we got up, we woke up, built a rocket, and we went, and then we came back.
But the thing that they're missing is the context of all of the years prior to the Apollo 11 launch.
We were going to the moon every three months before we landed on the moon.
We went to the moon in December of 1968.
We were flying Apollo missions every three or four months.
And so when you run into people who have a hard time believing it, you really have to kind of start with like the V 2 rocket or a bottle rocket and ask them at what point does this not become real?
We had a Mercury flight that went into suborbital flight.
Then we did an orbital flight with the Mercuries.
Then we did two people in the Jiminy's.
And then we tested out the Apollo command module in Earth orbit.
Was that fake?
We went around the moon.
Was that fake?
We tested the lunar lander in Earth orbit, and then we tested it in lunar orbit.
All of this happened before we landed.
And so, if you present the moon landing as sort of this one off thing, it becomes kind of easy to believe that it was a fake deal.
But for those of us that grew up with it, Michael, it was just a regular event that happened every three or four months.
And there was no point ever in the history of the space program where there was this incredible jump.
That happened.
There was never a point when all of a sudden something magic entered the equation.
So, one in 10 Americans, and to be honest with you, it's a lower number than I thought, are mistaken, I'm afraid, although I understand why they're mistaken.
And I understand why younger people tend to believe it didn't happen, largely because younger people have grown up with so much technology that they think it didn't happen because we didn't have enough tech.
But as it turns out, on Apollo 11, we had the two most advanced flight computers, I would say, in the universe, walking that.
That lunar module all the way down.
And those two flight computers were named Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.
A very good point.
And in fact, on the Apollo 11 mission, Neil Armstrong took over manually.
At the very last second, the kind of drama that could come out of Hollywood, which is maybe why people think it did come out of Hollywood.
What do you make of the Artemis compared to Apollo?
Obviously, very different tech.
One of the arguments that the people who say we didn't go to the moon make is that it's crazy to think that we had the technology to do it and then we just accidentally lost it.
Oopsie daisy.
How different is Artemis from Apollo?
And what does this mean for the future of American space exploration?
Well, to be perfectly honest with you, the Artemis spacecraft is not really significantly different or at least not radically more advanced than the Apollo Command Service Module.
The answer to the question of why we didn't go back is always expressed as we lost the technology.
We never lost the technology.
The space shuttle, which followed Apollo, was infinitely more complex than the Apollo program hardware.
We lost the will.
And to tell you something, you know, the best way I ever heard this, Mike, in terms of at least assuaging my, you know, my disappointment, was that America is such an amazing country that we got bored going to the moon.
But that's exactly what happened.
That's exactly what happened.
By the time the second moon landing happened, Apollo 12, the ratings were way down.
By Apollo 13, had the emergency, obviously.
But by the time we got to Apollo 14, nobody was watching.
And Richard Nixon was trying to cut budgets.
He wanted to cut 15, 16, and 17.
We were supposed to go to Apollo 20.
Really heartbreakingly, 18, 19, and 20, which were canceled, were going to go to incredible places.
They were going to go to the basin of this 200 mile wide crater named Copernicus.
They were going to go to all of these places, but they cut those missions because of lack of public interest and the sense that we needed to spend the money back here on Earth.
It was sort of like the point where all of this social pressure and expectation and hope and pride had.
Had reached its pinnacle when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the lunar surface.
And after that was over, people started saying, okay, well, what's next?
And it's an unfortunate reality that the 20 or 30 years that the space shuttle program ran, the space shuttle didn't fundamentally go anywhere different than John Glenn did on Friendship 7 in 1961 or 62.
We just went in circles around the Earth again and again.
We didn't lose the technology, we lost the will and the determination.
Seeing this mission finally clear the pad is a long overdue step in that direction.
Okay, so then what is to say that we won't lose the political will now?
You know, I think this Artemis program is, what, $40 billion or more?
You still hear the same things from people focused on domestic issues, which is, you know, we need to rebuild here.
Often they'll make the point on foreign policy.
They say, we don't want to spend money in the Middle East when we could be spending that money here in America.
Well, I bet they can multiply that argument by 100 or 1,000 when they say, we don't need to spend money on this rock circling the earth.
We can spend that money here in America.
I, for one, am very much in favor.
Of a robust space program.
I'm in favor of American greatness.
You know, I'm not one of these ideologues who just wants to shrink everything.
But what makes you think that the Americans won't lose the political will again?
Well, just to answer the second part of your statement first, we spend half of our budget every year on social programs.
It's not like we don't spend any money here on Earth.
We spend $2 trillion a year on Earth, on our citizens.
The space budget is a fraction, 1% I think, of the total.
A federal budget.
So the question now is what's different about today's world versus the 1960s?
And I'll be perfectly frank with you, Michael.
If it were up to NASA and Artemis, I would not have any faith that we are going back there because the first space race was a political objective.
It was a chance to beat the Soviets in the Cold War using Cold War weapon systems.
This is the thing that most people don't really realize, but the Apollo program was using.
Ballistic missile technology, computer technology, radar tracking, all of these things.
And so once we proved that we were better than the godless commies, then the essential purpose of Apollo went away.
The hope for the future is with companies like SpaceX because SpaceX is doing it for profit.
And the genius of Elon Musk is not that he builds these incredible rockets or anything.
The actual genius of Elon Musk, in my opinion, is that Elon Musk has found a way to make his space program pay for itself through the Starlink.
Satellite system.
He's launching his own space internet.
His space internet is paying for his launches.
And when you realize the value of what is off of the surface of the earth, the value in terms of minerals, the value in terms of just all kinds of rare things, you can go to space for profit.
And if we're not going to space for profit, we're not staying in space.
And that's the reason I'm highly confident about this second space race, is that we understand that this is a, it has to pay its own way.
And if it does, it'll stay.
It's a great point that, you know, even look, we have a great NASA administrator now, but I'm no expert on it, but he seems to have done a great job.
And obviously, we have a very supportive administration.
But you might not have a supportive administration soon enough.
And you don't want to leave this kind of thing just up to the caprices of federal bureaucrats.
So I think you're totally right.
The fact that you can get someone like Elon and others to add a little bit of a profit incentive here and to bring the private sector in more does make me feel a lot more confident about it.
The mood is very bullish around here.
I mean, people are talking about having a base on the moon by the early 2030s.
They're talking about, you know, manned, landed missions and, you know, bringing resources, developing resources there on a very, very quick timescale.
Building a Lunar Colony Fast00:03:08
How realistic is that?
When are we actually going to have the space colony up on Mars?
Well, up on Mars whenever Elon gets around to it, but up on the moon in the first place.
There's a bunch of important things there.
So let me just deal with them one by one.
And let me first talk about the capriciousness of depending on government funding.
We lost 14 astronauts killed on two different space shuttle missions.
And on both of those cases, the shuttle didn't fail.
The space shuttle was originally supposed to be carried aloft on the back of an airplane, should have been able to land at any large airport.
You could have landed the space shuttle at LAX or DFW.
And over the course of the development of the space shuttle program, Congress kept cutting the budget.
For the space shuttle.
So they had to go to the external tank and they had to go to the solid rocket boosters because they kept cutting the money.
These were engineering shortcuts.
Well, it was a burn through in the O rings on the solid rocket boosters that were a financial band aid that destroyed Challenger.
And it was foam coming off of the external tank, which was also an external band aid, that destroyed Columbia.
So it's not only difficult to plan, it's deadly if you don't have confidence that the future is going to be as funded as well as the present.
I personally think that the most important tweet.
Certainly, of the last year and maybe of the decade, or even you can even argue conceivably in human history, was when Elon Musk very quietly announced that SpaceX was going for a moon base instead of a Mars colony.
This is such a better idea.
You can go to Mars from the moon, but if you're just going to fly for six months, plant a flag, the ability to develop a moon base is essential to the exploration of the solar system.
Hundreds of times easier than getting it off the Earth.
You don't have to fight the atmosphere.
The gravity is one sixth as strong.
If you can put a base on the moon, the solar system is yours.
And Elon is a smart enough guy to understand and to demonstrate what we learned during the Apollo era.
And that is, we don't know what we don't know until we find out.
And if you're going to go to the moon, you get to find out with a two or three day travel period, not a six month travel period.
Most people don't fully realize that the surface of Mars.
Is 1% of the atmospheric pressure of Earth.
It is essentially a perfect vacuum.
There is nothing about Mars that's any different than being on the moon as far as the survival technology goes.
So, do staging all of this stuff where you, if you, for example, let's say you have a problem on the moon base because some piece of technology that's being tried the first time isn't working.
You can get additional supplies, repairs, rescue teams there.
You can get them there in three or four days.
You have a problem like that on Mars, you might have to wait two years.
And this decision to go to the moon instead of going to Mars is the most sensible and the most promising thing for the future of human spaceflight, specifically American spaceflight, that I have heard in a long, long time.
Insurance for Mars Missions00:02:35
Bill, I knew.
I knew.
They said, Michael, who do you want to come on the show?
I said, there is one man.
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And that is a man who happens to have a great show on Daily Wire Plus right now, which is what we saw, Apollo 11, which you filmed some years ago, and it's even better today than it was all those years ago.
Bill, thank you so much for being here.
Excellent, excellent to have you.
My pleasure, Michael.
It's a great day for America.
It's a great day for the future.
Absolutely.
Now, I want to get to Matt Walsh because I had Bill Whittle come on to give me all the facts about the space program, and now I want Matt to come on to tell us all a bunch of nonsense about Martians and things.
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Mr. Walsh.
Do we have Mr. Walsh?
Proving the Launch is Real00:06:45
Is he here?
Do we?
We don't have him.
I thought we had him.
Oh, I got so excited.
All right, that's fine.
Well, even better.
Now I get to talk to you.
TC Loyal is a DW Plus subscriber.
Why are we hearing ads?
Oh, well, because this is live.
So it's very rare.
I know in the marketing we said you don't have to hear ads if you're a Daily Wire Plus subscriber.
That is true 99.999% of the time.
But in this moment, I felt it was important to go live because, you know, we had a first in 53 years historic event taking place as.
Three Americans and one person from America's Evil Top Hat decided to take a little vacation around the moon.
So, very exciting.
Please bear with us.
We just have to give the ads to the hoi polloi.
The hoi polloi who are on YouTube, whom I love very much, but if they're not on Daily Wire Plus, we need to give them the ads.
They get to get the ads.
You already know about the ads.
Michael has the best segue game in the business.
He is smooth as butter going into his reads.
Says, Cara B. Joha, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
Did it already launch?
Says, I'll tie your music.
Oh, I don't want to spoil it.
If you're watching, rewind.
Just rewind about, I don't know, 25 minutes or so.
And in the meantime, as we know, only the Chem du Lachem, only the Daily Wire subscribers, get to ask questions here.
Let's see.
All you new people, yes, it launched.
No, don't spoil it.
It's true.
No, you can go back and watch.
Let's see.
Lifetime members shouldn't hear promos, says Andy.
Yes, Andy, the thing is, I would have to change the fabric of space time.
In order to simultaneously do the live show for the Hoy Poloy and a different show for you, I agree with you.
And look, maybe NASA, maybe President Trump, maybe Elon Musk will allow me to just grab hold of space time and rip it apart as I want to rip apart this delicious NASA donut that I cannot eat because it's Lent.
But I can't quite do it yet.
Let's see.
Admitting that your show isn't live regularly says that.
I love it.
We just shot a rocket ship into space and people want to talk about the ads policy on Daily Wire.
No, my show is regularly live.
For the creme de la creme.
So that's another reason to join Daily Wire you get the shows first, and then we insert the ads later for the shows that air two and a half hours later during the week.
Do you want me to tell you about our staff meetings as well?
Do you want me to tell you about what lunch we cater at the Daily Wire?
This is inside baseball, folks.
We just sent four people to the moon.
This is the problem with politics, you know?
It's like we can do the most amazing things, and I don't exempt myself from it, but we can do the most amazing things, and we say, yeah, but.
How come my tax went up like $50?
I don't know.
I don't know why.
I don't like taxes either.
Is Matt the Canadian?
Yeah, the reason why Matt isn't joining us yet is we've sent him to the moon.
We've sent him to the moon because who better to make first contact with the aliens?
Watch the launch from my backyard.
That's a pretty cool way to do it.
We sent four people to the moon is a crazy line.
I know, it is pretty crazy.
JK Willis, so I get stuck watching on my TV the Daily Wire YouTube.
It's dumb.
Oh, well, you should get the Daily Wire Plus app for your TV.
You can get the app on your TV, not just your phone and your tablet.
Let's see.
Will you eat the NASA donut after Easter?
The problem is it's Krispy Kreme, which is my favorite kind of donut.
And they're the best donuts that have ever been made by far.
But the problem with Krispy Kreme is if you don't eat them within, I'll say generously, 18 hours of their being produced, they're totally worthless.
So, I don't know, maybe I'll frame it.
It's very cool.
Eat the donuts, says Vicious Queso.
Mike, do you ever watch the SpaceX launches?
Not really.
I've never been to one.
Sometimes I'll see the video, but I've never been to one.
This is the first rocket launch I've ever been to, other than when my grandmother set off a little rocket at the park when I was a child.
Matt's hiding out in storage.
I'm watching Michael on my TV, says Ruth.
Yeah, you should watch it on TV.
Watching on TV is great.
Michael, what's your favorite show or movie about NASA space flight?
I guess Apollo 13 was pretty good.
Mars Attacks is a favorite one.
Signs by Mel Gibson.
I know we're getting a little far afield, but those are some of my favorite space movies.
I'm okay with a Trump casino on the moon.
That would be great.
You know what we should do?
Trump was talking about building his new presidential library, but then he said he doesn't want it to be a library.
He said he wants it to be a hotel.
Which means I was actually right when I said that Trump should just do the Donald J. Trump presidential library and casino, resort casino.
I was sort of right on the resort part, not the casino part.
Anyway, he should build it on the moon.
That would be.
Building in Miami is funny.
I thought the funniest thing would be Atlantic City.
No, no, the moon.
That's where we should do it.
They sent Trudeau in disguise so they could leave him here.
That would be beautiful.
Michael, go touch the grass.
It looks like a green screen.
Okay, you know what?
Fine.
You know what?
Fine.
Okay, I'm going to have to take my microphone off.
I don't care.
I need to prove to you that this is real.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on.
I'm taking my ears out.
Can I prove this?
Why are you handing me the donut?
Did that do it?
I hope that did it.
I want this donut.
There.
Did I convince you?
It was the most exercise I've had in years.
Did I convince you?
I need to put my ears back in.
Let's see.
Let's see.
Look what I do for you.
I want to know did I convince you?
That this is real.
Probably not.
They're going to say, Michael, that didn't look like a jumping jack.
Nicholas, this is great.
Mr. Davies is here.
He's fixing my microphone.
See, it's real.
He's there too.
It's real.
He's not an AI.
Okay, do we have Mr. Walsh?
Matt, are you there?
I'm here.
I don't have him.
Oh, hey, I do have him.
Okay, all right.
Matt, I was pointing out the delay in our control room to the guests and to the hosts is much longer than the delay.
Evidence of Alien Landings00:07:09
From the moon to Earth.
I think the moon, they could broadcast in 4K on the moon.
It would be faster than the Daily Wire control room.
What do you make of this?
What do you make of the NASA administrator saying he believes in aliens?
And what do you make of Matt Gaetz saying that the U.S. Army is raping aliens at a dozen sites around the United States to create alien hybrids?
In any order you like.
Wow.
Well, I mean, let's start with the fact that I just want to say that.
In case you were worried about it, Michael, just know that I'm not bitter at all about the fact that for some reason you're the guy that is there to watch the rocket launch and not me.
Not me is the one who's known as the guy who cares about this stuff.
So it's you.
Can I tell you what I'm not bitter about this?
I think it's great.
I'm very happy for you, Michael.
I'm here for the human launch and they're going to have you here for the alien landing.
That's how it's going to be fair.
We're going to split it up that way.
I don't know if I want to be there for the alien launch or the alien landing now.
You know, I don't know if I want to be because my feelings are a little bit hurt.
But anyway, more importantly, like, you know, let me just say that I think that before we get to the aliens, you know, watching the rocket launch, which I just watched along with everybody else, I think it's extraordinary.
I think it's beautiful.
I think it really, really matters a lot.
I know there are people who think that this is a waste of money.
Why are we spending all these billions of dollars going to the moon?
We've already been there.
Or maybe we haven't been there.
You know, there's an interesting disconnect because a lot of the people that say we're wasting money going there because we've already been there are also the same people who say we haven't been there.
So, by that logic, actually, this is our first time going, so it makes an even bigger deal.
But no, in fact, we've already been there.
We're going again.
And it matters because we could get into all the scientific, you know, all the sort of practical benefits of going to the moon and setting up lunar bases.
And then you can go from there farther into space.
And we could talk about all that stuff, and that's important.
But I also think that.
As a civilization, as a country, as an empire, we need to be reaching out into the unknown, going beyond, exploring, trying to expand.
I mean, this is what you do when you're a healthy and thriving nation.
It's what America did when we were great, when we were truly great.
And so, if we really want to make America great again, then I think relaunching the space program in earnest is. one of the most important ways to do that.
So I'm thrilled by the whole thing.
I totally agree.
I know, I remember in the Tea Party era, you had a lot of people on the right, but they were a little more libertarian, say, we don't need to waste money on these extraneous programs just to our own glory.
You know, we need to just save as much money as possible, shrink the government as much as possible.
And I think, no, look, I want the government to be efficient.
I don't want us to be wasteful.
But I want to do big things.
I want to be a great country.
I think Trump clearly shares that view.
That's why he uses the slogan, make America great again.
That's why he's been so supportive of the Artemis program.
I think we need to do things in common.
We need to, one, recognize the common good as a political concept, but then we've got to go out and be big and cool and explore.
I think there's a deeply Christian aspect to exploration.
You see this with Christopher Columbus, you see this with the exploration of space.
The Vatican has had observatories for hundreds of years.
I'm all about it, I'm all for it.
But you evaded the question about former Congressman Matt Gaetz's claim.
That the US Army is raping aliens at a dozen bases around the country to create hybrids.
Is that because you're one of them?
Well, we're talking about space aliens, I assume.
And as far as look, who knows?
I mean, I don't know.
It's far be it for me to declare unequivocally that no aliens have visited.
Maybe it's possible.
I tend to be skeptical of that.
What I believe to be nearly certain is that.
Is that the universe is vast and there are trillions upon trillions of planets, and it seems to me a near certainty that a lot of them have life.
And whether that means intelligent life, life like our own, or some other kind of form of life that we can't conceive of, or some kind of rudimentary, primitive life, much like what we find here at the bottom of the ocean or something, I think it could be all of the above.
So that feels certain to me.
I'm skeptical of the idea that there have been aliens actually visiting Earth.
I'm open to it.
I'm open to actual, I'm very open to it, and I'd be excited to learn that that was true.
I hope that the aliens are not being sexually violated, as what you're describing.
But if they're coming here, then it's great.
I'm open to the evidence.
I haven't seen any of the evidence, but I'd love to see it.
If Matt Gaetz has evidence, hey, show it to me.
I mean, I'd like to see it.
You were losing me a little bit.
I was going to cut your line when you were given this pro alien propaganda.
But then I'm glad you came back around so that we can at least find common ground, even between the pro alien camps and the anti alien camps, to say if aliens do exist, it would be wrong for the United States military to sexually molest them at bases around the country to create a hybrid race of half Martian, half human people for some purpose that is not yet understood.
I'm glad we could at least come back.
You know, have a little bit.
I guess that's kind of the moderate view.
Okay, it is never okay to molest the aliens, which in my opinion do not exist.
Matt, I'm going to leave it there on that really sober and sobering point.
Wonderful to be with you.
And, you know, hey, listen, man, maybe the next time we go back to the moon in 53 years, maybe, you know, you can do it then.
But, you know, for now, you got to wait for the alien landing.
Thank you very much for being here.
Thank you to all of you for being here.
You know, the only thing I'm going to leave you on.
Since we're doing repeats today, you know, we have gone back to the moon.
We are going back to the moon for the first time in 53 years.
So since we're doing repeats, I'll leave you on a little bit of wisdom that occurred to me earlier when I was writing the show and that we read at the top of the show.
Psalm 18, The heavens show forth the glory of God and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.
Day to day uttereth speech and night to night showeth knowledge.
There are no speeches nor languages where their voices are not heard.
Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth and their words unto the ends of the world.
Wonderful to be with you for this very historic event that, thank God, has gone off beautifully so far.