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Ep. 1888 - Gang Members GET SHOT Trying To Run Over ICE Agent

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New liberal narrative update just dropped.
I don't want you to miss this one.
It's gotten a little confusing.
It's moving fast.
So, here's a timeline.
As we all know, the initial narrative around the officer-involved shooting in Minneapolis was that ICE agents murdered a peaceful, innocent mom by shooting her through her driver's side window while she sat in her car minding her own business.
Then, after video footage contradicted all of that, The narrative changed to still pretty close, ICE agents murdering a peaceful innocent mom while she was driving away from them.
She wasn't just sitting in the car minding her own business.
She was driving, but she was driving away from them.
Then, after video footage contradicted that narrative, the narrative changed to ICE agents murdering the peaceful innocent mom while she She might have been driving toward the cop.
So, okay, maybe she wasn't driving away.
Maybe she was driving toward the cop, but she didn't actually hit him, so they had no right to shoot.
She would have stopped.
She would have turned before she hit him.
So, now, that narrative has been contradicted by yet more video, and the liberal mayor of Minneapolis has just given us the latest narrative, which is, sure, she hit the officer with her car, But only a little bit.
She was peaceful.
She was sitting there.
She was doing nothing.
She was minding her own business.
She was driving away.
She was driving at him but she wasn't going to hit him.
She hit him, but only a little bit.
It was only a slight attempted vehicular manslaughter and definitely not enough to justify his defending himself.
We will get to the latest on this story and to the excellent way that ICE is responding.
I'm Michael Knowles.
This is The Michael Knowles Show.
Welcome back to the show.
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K-N-O-L-E-S at cowboycolostrum.com slash NOLES, and you too can be like SLA. Don't take my word for it on the media. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth. Probably actually a different part of the horse. Actually, it's probably a different animal altogether. One of those animals from Tatooine or the Huttese Village or one of the Ooga Booga Star Wars people. In any case, in English,
here is Jacob Fry. Don't take my word for it. Don't take their word for it. Watch the video from every single angle. I mean, the ICE agent walked away with a hip injury that he might as well have gotten from closing a refrigerator door with his hips. He was not injured. I've seen worse injuries from doing that. And so,
give me a break. No, he was not ran over. He walked out of there. With a hop in his step. And so, we just got to get to the point where we're at least operating from, hey, this is like, we're looking at it on the video screen, this is what we're seeing, can we all see that it wasn't real? And then, you know, yeah, J.D. Fance, this concept of absolute immunity is pretty bizarre. What man closes a refrigerator with his hip? Sorry,
I know that's a tangential point. I know women do that. They're in the kitchen, they got the kid in their arm, they're stirring the pasta sauce, they do a little boop, just a little boop, hit that refrigerator. Has a man,
has a heterosexual man ever one time in his life closed a refrigerator with his hip? It's a relatively minor point for Jacob Fry, not beating any of the many allegations against him. By the whole media,
by all the politicians, by all the Democrats, that this woman did not even come close to hitting the officer. Initially, she was just sitting in her car. And then she was driving away,
and then she wasn't going to hit him, and she wasn't trying to hit him, and she wasn't near close to hitting him, and now, yeah, whatever, he got a little hip injury. She hit him with a car! She hit him! You just gotta,
in a world after virtue, in a world after orderly society, you have to explain everything. Listen close. I'm going to pull the microphone closer to me. Jacob Fry, if you're listening. Democrats, if you're listening. Crazy white women who are going to get yourselves killed if you keep acting the way you are. Listen to me. Tune in. Listen to me. You can't hit police officers with your car,
ever. Even if it's just a little tap on the hip. You can't hit anybody with your car. But especially, and I want you to write this down, you cannot hit a police officer with your car or you're going to get shot in the face and you're going to deserve it. And this guy,
this lunatic, Jacob Fry, we can chalk it up to he doesn't have a great grasp on the English language. If he were speaking cluck-a-luck-a-hoo-ha on solo, maybe he would have made more sense. But in English, he's not making any sense. She only hit him a little bit. Let me,
please show me the statute. That says you're allowed to run into a cop with your car, a federal law enforcement officer with your car, but only if you only hit him on the hip a little bit. Then he has no right to defend himself. Why is Jacob Fry admitting this? He's admitting this because there's video everywhere. This is why we're very thankful to body camera footage. We'll get actually to some of the video from the officer's body in a moment. This is why the libs demand it. They said,
we want body cams on all the cops because they They concocted and peddled and then came to believe themselves this ridiculous narrative that the cops are out there looking for all the marginalized people, and especially black people, but I guess also like crazy liberal white ladies as well. They're just trying to slaughter them. They're just looking to kill them all day long. That's why we need to get body cameras on the cops, and that's going to protect these innocent, marginalized criminals. And then guess what happened? You put the body cameras on the cops,
and you find out the cops are in the right. 99.99999% of the time, and it turns out that the criminals are bad, and it doesn't look good. The footage doesn't look good for them. Just want to, before I put a little fine point on it, don't want to beat that dead horse,
that dead horse's derriere, Mr. Fry over here, but Margaret Brennan on CBS News interviewing Ilhan Omar. This is the framing of the shooting. It was blocking the road. They are claiming this is an act of terrorism. Yeah, Yeah, Renee Nicole Good, as you hear her say, she's not mad.
She's sitting in her car, peacefully waving cars to get by.
This agent, as you see, gets out of his car, automatically starts running towards her, trying to open her door.
She feels scared.
She tries to turn the wheel away.
And then you see the other officer, who can clearly see the car is moving, move towards the front of the car, which if they are saying that he has 10 years on service and is trained, he should know that you shouldn't be trying to get in front of a moving car.
And so it is not acceptable for Kristi Noem and the president and the vice president to make these kind of judgments without there being a full investigation.
Even though we can see in the videos that have been produced so far that what they are describing is really not what is taking place.
And so if they're saying that we shouldn't believe our eyes.
I can't I can't take it anymore. I can't take it anymore. And there's Margaret Brennan. Yes. Wow. Yes. Essentially nothing that Ilhan Omar just said is true. But even just the original framing, she's peacefully sitting in her car, minding her own business. She is obstructing law enforcement. This woman, everything we know, none of this is controvertible. This woman trained to disrupt ICE, federal law enforcement. Federal law enforcement,
which was there to arrest the gang-affiliated because you had to deal with the cartels to get across the border. Basically, all of them are gang-affiliated in some way. Some degree or another. These criminals who are in Minneapolis, ICE is there to arrest them. She trains to obstruct federal law enforcement. She's blocking traffic, which is a dysfunctional act, which you're not allowed to do, which is very, very dangerous. And then,
she's not just minding her own business. She's driving into a cop. The cop is in front of the car before she's driving. It's not like he leaps in front of the car. We can see this in part because we have video, but also in part because the bullet goes through the front windshield. Then, she doesn't turn her wheel and then drive away. She hits the gas. The tires start spinning directly into the cop, and then finally she turns her tire, but a little too late because she hit the cop,
which we know even Jacob Fry is admitting. None of this is really in dispute. And there's Margaret Brennan in CBS News, and she's just nodding along. Yes, yes, yes, wow, you're so right. Yes,
wow. We have more footage. Here is more camera footage. Totally vindicating the ICE agent. So you see the agent walking in front of the car. Here she is. I'm not mad at you,
boy. We don't change our plates every morning, just so you know. It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen. You want to come at us? I said go get yourself some lunch,
big boy. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. I said get out of the car! So there you have it. First of all,
we now have the footage, whether it was a body cam, whether it was a cell phone camera, whatever it was, we have the footage from the agent. He is hit by the car. You can see that. But what, look, the only people who have a blind disregard for the truth or who don't consume any reputable news sources at this point don't understand that. What's more interesting about this footage is this woman. She goes,
I'm not even mad. The way this is being portrayed in the media is, I'm not mad, I love you, I love everyone, and then that ICE agent comes in and says, you F-N-B-I-T-C-H, that's how it's being portrayed. That's probably what you're seeing on Instagram and Facebook from your liberal colleagues who don't know any better. Really, what she's doing is she's obstructing law enforcement. She goes, I'm not even mad. I'm not even mad. She's being very provocative. But the lesbian partner is on the scene. This woman's a lesbian. She has children,
but she's a lesbian. Whatever. Not even going to get into it. This lesbian partner comes out, and she's getting in the cop's face. And she's saying, yeah, this could be the same license plate when you come back later. We're not moving. We're going to keep obstructing law enforcement. Yeah, you big boy, go get a lunch, fatso. That's what she's saying to this guy. And then, crucially, she turns to her lesbian partner, these people who have trained to obstruct law enforcement, and she says, drive, baby, drive. That's the key. Four words,
actually. Drive, baby, drive, drive. That's the key to this. The person who is most responsible for this woman's death is the woman herself. She drove into a cop. When you drive into cops, generally speaking,
you can expect to be shot in the face. The person who is second most responsible for this woman's death is her lesbian partner. She's the one who gave her the Drive, baby, drive, drive.
The group that is next most responsible for this woman's death are the Democrat thought leaders, such as they are, the Democrat politicians, the Democrat elected officials who have allowed this kind of anarchy to go on and on and on.
The mayor of Minneapolis, the governor of Minneapolis, and the Democrats going back years, certainly all the way back to BLM, who have encouraged this kind of anarchy because it created the false expectation in these women's minds that they could get away with driving into cops.
And they can when you have a responsible government in town, as you do at the federal level with President Trump.
But all of these layers of scandal had to exist.
Had that lesbian not gone in there and told her paramour.
Drive, baby, drive, that woman probably wouldn't have driven.
That's what we're talking about.
When we talk about how to rectify this, this kind of information is crucial, because it's not just about individual actions.
What it's about is a political solution.
What it's about is the kind of society and culture that breeds good behavior.
And that encourages good behavior.
You had to have a lot of things go wrong here for this woman to get killed.
and they all went wrong.
And this is why, forget about the people on the left, even the more individualist types on the right need to get it into their heads that the only way to rectify these problems is with a political social solution based on standards, based on norms, based on expectations, based on habituation, based on behavior, which we're going to get to in one second because ICE has done a great job of resetting our expectations.
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So we now have more of these incidents taking place.
More criminals are trying to run over DHS agents.
If we turn to Portland right now, you have two criminals.
Who tried to run over DHS agents, ICE agents, who were then shot.
You're not hearing quite as much about this story, and the reason for that is that in this case, it wasn't just some white lady, white lesbian, you know, activist type. It was a Tren de Aragua gangster. So the two people who tried to run over the cop were a gangster and his prostitute, both of whom are involved in this ring, both of whom have ties to Tren de Aragua, allegedly. Here we have, this is just a local news report,
KATU. Two shot by border agent in Portland have trend aragwitized, DHS and police say. The case is as clear as can be. There's another example of the body camera or just more facts coming out vindicating law enforcement,
totally upending the liberal narrative, as has even happened in Minneapolis and has happened constantly, going back to Michael Brown, going back to all of these stories that the left tries to gin up against cops. Well, here you have as clear a case as can be. Illegals associated with a particularly violent Venezuelan gang running a human trafficking ring,
trying to run over cops who were then shot. They weren't even killed, but they were stopped. Okay, police chief in Portland, Bob Day, what is your take on law enforcement stopping the Latin American gangsters from running them over? And what I can say is there is an association with the two folks yesterday and TDA. TDA,
Trendy, Aragua. I hesitated to even share this information initially because I'm very aware of the historic injustice of victim blaming oftentimes. Portrayed by law enforcement,
including this very agency that I've represented so proudly for so many years. For just a moment, specifically to my Latino community. Is he about to cry? It saddens me. Oh,
my goodness. That we even have to qualify these remarks. Because I understand, or at least have attempted to understand through your voices, your concern, your fear, Your anger.
This information in no way is meant to condone or support or agree with any of the actions that occurred yesterday.
What actions occurred yesterday?
The actions that occurred yesterday in this clip are that Venezuelan gangsters associated with a foreign terrorist organization tried to run over a cop and he shot them.
He goes, I don't want it to seem I, the chief of police, I don't want it to seem like I condone law enforcement officers defending themselves when foreign terrorists try to run them over.
I don't condone that.
I don't agree with that, Okay?
Won't somebody please think of the Venezuelan pimps?
I know everyone, I don't even, I hesitate even to say, I don't want to victim, but the victim in this case being a Venezuelan pimp terrorists who were trying to run over a cop in America.
I don't, I'm not saying I condone that.
I don't condone the self -defense.
You don't condone it?
You need to resign.
You don't condone it.
You don't condone federal law enforcement protecting itself against a terrorist trying to run him over?
A pimp, Venezuelan illegal terrorist trying to run him over?
You don't condone that?
Well, then you need to resign, because your judgment is severely impaired.
This guy, crying, crying, I was going to say crying like a woman, he's not crying like a woman. I don't care, the most sensitive little woman, the most opposed to violence,
dainty little gal, who has even a modicum of common sense, would not be crying in this situation. If one were to cry in this situation, one would cry that the poor law enforcement officer was almost run over by these animals. But no, he cries for the animals. Okay, okay, what are we going to do about this?
Well, there's video going viral.
We actually can't use it.
I think there's some kind of copyright issue with the video.
But it's a beautiful video.
It's a beautiful video of some little red liberal car, like a Prius or something, parked in the middle of the street, obstructing law enforcement, trying to stop the ICE raids.
And in this case, the ICE agents walk up.
The guys won't get out.
They won't move their car.
So they smash in the windows of the car.
They open up the doors, and they drag these people out, and they arrest them.
And then one of the officers gets into the car and parks it and gets it out of the street.
That's what you have to do.
And it feels good, especially for those of us who want to see criminals brought to justice.
It feels really good to see the police do their job.
have the political cover to do their jobs, smash out those windows, drag these people who are obstructing law enforcement, which is a crime, arrest them, get the car out of the way, keep on and carry on. If that feels good, we like that. We recognize that that not only feels good as a matter of kind of visceral,
I don't know, it gives us butterflies in our stomach, but it's also good because it advances the cause of justice. But I'd like to add one third good that comes from this. That is the only way to avoid dead leftist agitators. The only way to avoid dead leftist agitators like that lady in Minneapolis. Or I guess even if you're going to blubber like the chief of the Portland police for the trendy Iroquois pimps and prostitutes,
I guess you can worry about them too. The way to avoid those people dying is for federal law enforcement to vigorously enforce the law. Because if they don't, one of two things is going to happen.
Either these people are going to run amok and then you're going to get rioting and then you're going to get a lot of dead agitators, as happened during BLM.
When the politicians told the cops to stand down and BLM burned cities down across the country and then you had dozens of people killed.
Probably many of those people sympathetic to BLM, but they just got caught up in the mob violence.
So either that's going to happen, you're going to get more dead leftist agitators, or cops are not going to allow themselves to be run over, whether it be by agitators, white ladies in Minneapolis, or by foreign gangsters.
But they're not going to let themselves be run over and they're going to shoot them in the face.
And you're going to get more dead agitators.
Either way, though, those are the only two options.
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President Trump is serious about kicking foreign adversaries out of our hemisphere. And even beyond that, President Trump is serious about stopping the flow of migrants at the source. Which is kind of funny. It occurs to me now. That's something Kamala Harris said. She said, well, I'm going to go to Latin America. I'm going to go to places like Venezuela, and I'm going to get to the root cause of migration. Well, she didn't do that, obviously. Millions of people came in every year under the Biden-Harris administration. Trump did just stop the root cause of migration. He went in, he said, oh, the situation in Venezuela is so bad that people keep flooding to America. Okay,
not only am I going to close the border, I'm also going to go there and take out the root cause, namely Nicolas Maduro. So he does that, and now, all of a sudden, the leader of Colombia. Which sends a lot of drugs to the U.S. He calls, he says, Hey, hombre, amigo,
let's make a deal, man. I know I said all those things, man, but, you know, let's be cool, man. Please don't bomb me. And even in Mexico, President Trump is now threatening this action. We've knocked out 97% of the drugs coming in by water,
and we are going to start now hitting land with regard to the cartels. The cartels are running Mexico. It's very, very sad to watch and see what's happened to that country. But the cartels are running and they're killing 250,000,
300,000 people in our country every single year. The drugs, it's horrible. It's devastated families. Generally, you lose a child or a parent. I mean, parents are dying, too, with drugs. So we've done a really good job. We're knocking it down. The numbers are really getting to be. They're always going to be too high if you have one person,
but they're going down just like the border. The border was a total mess for years. I did it the first time very quickly, and this time I did it even better because this was a bigger mess. This was a border like no other probably in the history of the world. There's never been a border like that where anybody could just walk into your country. The border's ostensibly really closed now. It can't come in. Nobody comes. Nobody To the point that even Sean,
I think is, he doesn't quite hear exactly what Trump is saying.
And John's a very good interviewer.
And Trump says, yeah, we're doing this, we're doing that, we're doing this.
Also, we might do land strikes in Mexico.
And we're doing this and that and this.
He said, wait, hold on, what did you say?
I said, we're doing this.
No, no, after that.
Oh, we're doing that.
No, no, no.
What would you say in the middle?
Oh, we're going to bomb Mexico.
Oh, and this is pretty brilliant.
Even take out what it will mean for migration or drugs or the economy.
Just as a matter of political coalitions, this is brilliant.
And this is something that I think Trump showed us in Venezuela.
What was so notable from a domestic intra-right coalitional view of the hit on Venezuela is it managed to unite disparate factions of the American right. The neocons loved it because the hit on Venezuela weakened Iran, Hezbollah,
and Russia. And advanced America's geopolitical position. But even the paleos generally loved it because it was very much in keeping with traditional American foreign policy going back over 200 years to the Monroe Doctrine. It focused on stopping drugs. It focused on stopping the migrants coming across our border. Issues that are near and dear to the people who want to focus more on the American home front,
the America First nationalist types. Same thing here. Same thing here. President Trump using the military To hit Mexico. This is something I heard from right-wing critics of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. They say, we're going to use the military. Why don't we use a closer dome? We got these cartels on our border sending people across, human trafficking, sending drugs, killing 75,000 Americans a year because of fentanyl. We're going to use the military. Why are we sending them to Iraq and Libya and Syria and Afghanistan? Why don't we send them down to Mexico? That's what we need to do. And Trump says,
okay. And he seems to synthesize two antitheses. You have Let's get a little Hegelian for a second. You have the thesis of the last 25 years, which is the neocons. Liberal imperialists. Liberal, lowercase l, meaning they want to go and spread Madisonian democracy and Lockean liberalism all around the world, And we're going to plant it in the villages of Afghanistan.
And the sheer weight of John Locke's Second Treatise of Government will totally extirpate their desires for bakabazi and all sorts of backwards and really unpleasant tribal behavior.
Yes, we're going to create little pillars of democracy like 18th century America all over the world.
It didn't happen.
That's the thesis.
Then the antithesis is the paleocons who say, we need to be conservative nationalists.
We're not going to be liberal imperialists.
We're going to be conservative nationalists.
And we're going to focus on America first and on our domestic problems.
And Trump is neither of those things.
Trump is a conservative imperialist.
That's clearly what's going on here.
He takes the imperialism a little bit from the neocons.
but he takes the groundedness, the pragmatism, the realism from the paleocons.
He's a conservative imperialist, which if you've been listening to this show for any period of time, certainly if you've been listening to it for many years, you will know how much I hate to say I told you so.
I've called this from the beginning.
I said, Trump is not a bushy neocon, but likewise, he is not a pure non-interventionist, isolationist.
isolationist.
That's not what he means by America first.
That's not what he means by America first.
What he means by America first is not even really nationalist.
What he means by America first is not even really nationalist.
It's imperialist, but it's imperialism based on real interests.
It's imperialist, but it's imperialism based on real interests.
It's imperialism, in other words, based on a conservative view of politics, of a defense of the nation.
But it's not just turning inward and looking within our own borders.
It's bombing Venezuela, dropping the Moab, going into Greenland, taking Greenland, joking around, maybe not quite joking around, about taking Canada, cheering on regimes falling in Cuba and extending our sphere of influence.
That's what he's talking about.
And that view, I think- is where a lot of Americans are. We want to be strong. We want to enjoy the privileges that come around with global leadership. The formalized abridgment of the supposed substratum of what we think makes up the American way of life,
it's just not going to take hold there. This is this beautiful meeting of it. It works very, very well, and it's perfectly natural. We have been wielding power in Mexico for a very long time. A lot of America used to be Mexico. Okay? This is natural. This is very traditional. And as Latin America changes,
as you see these cascading effects of Venezuela, The next regime that could fall is Cuba. Cuba ostensibly has like four days of oil left. They just got the oil cut off. We're already in a major crisis. The Castros are dead. Who's the president of Cuba right now? Nobody even really knows. You know, it was Fidel forever, and then it was his brother Raul, but he was old, and then he left, and then it's like some other guy. And the regime is very shaky. Russia's not really supporting Cuba anymore because Russia's busy in Ukraine. China has come in to help Cuba a little bit,
but Cuba's really weak right now.
So who's going to be the next leader of Cuba?
President Trump responding to a tweet that says Marco Rubio will be president of Cuba.
He responds and says, sounds good to me.
And we on Michael Knowles' show actually have exclusive footage of Marco Rubio from inside the Oval Office.
There he is.
There were signs.
There he is on the yellow couch in the Oval Office.
He's sitting next to Vice President JD Vance, some other, but you see he's got the green military fatigues, that beard.
I hadn't even noticed the beard, the cat, the Fidel cap.
And then of course, when he was smoking a cigar in the Oval, there were signs that Trump had this planned.
In any case, Iran is now also on the brink.
It's unclear because, you know.
there's a near revolution or a color revolution in Iran every six months, it seems. But this one does seem pretty hardcore. So there is a world in which the Shah of Iran returns, the Shah of Iran whose father was put into rule Iran by the United States back when our imperial policy worked pretty well. It's unclear. Now, if the crown prince of Iran, Riza Pahlavi, if he's not up for the task,
obviously Rubio can keep the beard, he's going to have to change his outfit a little bit, but the cascading effects of Trump's very effective strike on Venezuela could reshape the world, could reshape the political order, and could reshape 2026 and 2028.
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My favorite comment you see.
Now, I didn't pick the comment.
Now, I didn't pick the comment.
I want you to know I didn't pick the comment.
I want you to know I didn't pick the comment.
They didn't even remind me to pick a comment today.
They didn't even remind me to pick a comment today.
I guess they sent them over to me, but the producers picked the comment.
I guess they sent them over to me, but the producers picked the comment.
So if this comment's no good, it's their fault.
It's from the Drummer's Workshop, Norm's Music.
I bet it'll be great.
It says, has the left blamed the spinning tires on climate change yet?
Good question.
I don't know.
Look, I don't know if that's really my, maybe I'll look at the comments later.
There's been a major endorsement in the 2028 presidential race.
I know we're early, but first of all, presidential races this last few years now, and two, we're in this weird situation in which President Trump has had a non-consecutive second term, which is why I've mentioned before, this is going to be a different kind of primary if there even is a primary.
Well, anyway.
one of the potential presidential contenders, Glenn Youngkin, very successful governor of a blue commonwealth, Virginia, who was able to do a pretty good job there, could definitely bring in a little bit more of the moderate vote, maybe could pull in some suburban women, what have you.
This guy who could have been a contender just made a different endorsement.
No, on a presidential run in the future, not ruling it out then?
Well, what I firmly believe, and I'll repeat it again, I agree with President Trump, I agree with Marco Rubio, I think Vice President Vance would be a great nominee.
Had to try one more time.
There it is, Fox News Sunday, Glenn Youngkin, who is a presidential contender, he says, I think JD Vance would be a great nominee. And notice how he endorses him. He doesn't just say, I, Glenn Youngkin, independently think JD Vance, Vice President, would be a great nominee. He says, I'm with Trump and Rubio. Rubio, who is the number two guy who could be the nominee in 2028, Rubio has already come out and said, I support Vance.
I want Vance to be the nominee.
Trump, the guy who picked the cabinet and obviously picked JD Vance to be his running mate, he came out, he said, yeah, I think Rubio should be secretary of state forever.
And I think Vance, if Rubio's not gonna be secretary of state forever, maybe Vance and Rubio can run as a ticket.
So he has not quite explicitly, but more or less crowned JD Vance as his successor, which he was always going to do because it's a non-consecutive second term.
So the moment that Trump picked his VP, he was effectively picking the nominee for the next time.
Glenn Youngkin now coming around this as well, even the way he does it.
it reminds me of something. I've tried to convey this in various media when the question has come up. There is a lot of talk about a right-wing civil war. We hear this was dominating AmericaFest, TPUSA.
You hear this on all of the Podcasts.
There's a right -wing civil War.
You hear this especially in the liberal Media.
Not Really.
There is One.
There is a thing Happening.
And we can call it the right -wing civil War.
But the Youngkin endorsement of J .D. Vance, on the basis that Trump and Marco have already endorsed J .D. Vance, Reminds us that the so -called right -wing civil war is entirely a podcasting Phenomenon.
And I find that very interesting as a matter of politics, actually.
That this division on the right is really just exclusively in the domain of the chattering Class.
It's different podcasters attacking each Other.
When it comes to actual policy, you don't see a ton of disagreement. Do you? You see plenty of people cheering on Trump's policy in Venezuela. Even sort of famously or infamously, Tucker was urging caution on Venezuela. But since the Venezuela strike, I don't think Tucker has come out and attacked it. He was at the White House just the other day. Even there, he would be the critic,
the big critic of that policy. There's really no disagreement on the policy. How about on the candidates? Everyone supports Trump. And then everyone basically supports the vice president for 2028. Including the people most likely to run against the Vice President in 2028. They've already endorsed him. This is the silver lining of the right-wing Civil War,
is there is, as a matter of policy and actual politicians who will affect the policy, more unity in the Republican Party than I have probably ever seen in my entire lifetime.
That too, by the way, is a characteristic of this historic situation we're in, which is the non-consecutive second term of Donald Trump, who's dominated American politics for a decade.
This is not to say that the things that the chattering class is attacking each other over are not important, that they don't involve real moral issues, that they're not thought-provoking.
Often they're not, but I guess sometimes they are.
There are disagreements to be had.
However, my strategy from the beginning, as I say, I think that the incentives here are misaligned. The incentives for podcasters, for influencers, for tweeters, for TikTokers, is to just create a lot of conflict and get more views. The incentive for people who want the conservatives to advance,
for the Republican Party to win as a part of that, for the country to do better, those incentives are to have a unity. To minimize conflict, at least to minimize public conflict, to try to solve the problems behind the scenes. And so we should be very open about what we think about issues, whether those issues are about geopolitics, foreign policy, or murder mysteries. On all of those issues that are supposedly within the purview of the right-wing Civil War, I've been clear as day on my views on every single one of them,
and I encourage everyone to be clear as day. I think it is helpful in any way, at least not helpful to the common good of the country, for it to become all this kind of personal jabbing and attacking and picking, you take this side and I take this side and we're in this faction and that, because that is divorced from the actual political question. It's a kind of a meta-political game. It's a meta-political entertainment,
but it's divorced from, if people had different candidates and were advancing different policies, that would be a totally different story. But they're not. Glenn Youngkin just endorsed JD Vance because he says Rubio and Trump did the same. And we're all excited about Venezuela,
and we're all excited about the immigration policy, and we're all excited about the tax policy, and we all ostensibly agree on everything. Now, speaking of those policies, one more little,
we have to get to this. I'm old enough to remember when back in 2015, 2016, all the real fancy conservative types, they said Trump is not a real conservative. And there was some reason to wonder about that back then. Trump had been a Democrat. We didn't really know exactly what he thought. After the first term,
it's hard to say he's not a real conservative. After the interregnum, especially into this term, it's very hard to say that. Well, President Trump, I think, I hope, has just put those claims to rest forever. When he declared an anti-usury jubilee, It is.
We are talking about Pentateuch levels of conservatism here, but we're not just talking about 1776.
We're talking like books of Moses levels of conservatism.
Here's what Trump said.
Please be informed that we will no longer let the American public be ripped off by credit card companies that are charging interest rates of 20 to 30 percent and even more, which festered unimpeded during the sleepy Joe Biden administration.
Affordability, all caps.
He's taking Zorhan Mamdani's word.
He's taking the left's word, using it against them.
Effective January 20th, I, as president of the United States, am calling for a one-year cap on credit card interest rates of 10 percent.
Now, one year, that's the jubilee part, but interest rates of 10 percent, that's the anti-usury part.
It's actually a little tricky to exactly define what usury means.
Does usury mean taking of any interest?
Does usury mean taking of excessive interest?
Does usury mean taking of interest in certain?
It's actually quite unclear for millennia now exactly what usury means, but put that aside.
Coincidentally, he says, the January 20th date will coincide with the one-year anniversary of the historic and very successful Trump administration.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Okay, love it.
I love this for a lot of reasons.
One, usury is bad.
Usury is actually bad.
There are going to be some people who are idolaters of the free market who say- no, no, this is terrible, actually. We need to let the free market do its work. And the only effect of this will be to cut certain people off from taking out lots of credit. Say, yes, that's a feature, not a bug of this policy, because we don't want to allow people who are. Not going to be able to pay that back to just enslave themselves in debt for the rest of their lives. That's actually not a great thing. We do want to discourage spending on certain things. If they can't afford food or water or medical care,
we will offer that to them. We already do that through the welfare state, but we don't want people, through sheer vice and miseducation, to enslave themselves in debt to go buy more baubles. That's actually bad, and our civilization has discouraged or outlawed that for all of history. That's true. However,
let's get down to the even deeper level. This is very, very conservative. As I mentioned, like, you know, Books of Moses, conservative. And throughout Christendom, we've had anti-usury laws. Someone responded and said, well, Michael, we want to conserve 1776. We don't want to conserve some medieval Christian society or some ancient Middle Eastern society. We want to conserve 1776, the American tradition. Hear me, hear me. All who have ears to hear,
let them hear. We had anti-usury laws in 1776. Hear me, hear me. We had anti-usury laws well into the 19th century, like very serious anti-usury laws. And then they started to be weakened a little bit, but they persisted in substantial form until the late 20th century. This happens so much when, even when people on the right, especially of a more libertarian flavor, when they talk about Tariffs,
or whatever. When they talk about free speech, when they talk about blue laws, when they talk about freedom and individual liberty, they say, this is the American tradition. And what they are describing is very often an innovation of, like, the 1980s. They're just wrong about, We've had in this country all sorts of laws that they would be shocked to find out.
Laws against blasphemy.
Laws against burning the American flag for a very long time, until within the last few decades.
We've had laws against usury.
We've had establishments of churches in the states for decades after ratification of the Constitution.
This is also very American.
And then just at a practical political level, what I really like about this is it gets us through the midterms.
The Libs are going to complain about that, but that is part of it.
It gets us through the midterms.
You can't have that forever.
You can't.
It would be much more radical to cap interest rates at 10% on credit cards forever.
and it would probably create more downstream economic effects. But Trump's not above winning an election, and it's good to win elections. You don't want to be immoral to win elections, but you want to win elections. It's good, and winning is important. A lot of Republicans just want to lose with dignity, and they don't even have dignity when they lose. Economic challenges, Especially of young people.
That is real and these people, who are often very rich, want to explain it all away.
Oh, it's no.
You kids, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
You kids, quit your belly aching.
Yeah, you can't afford a home, but you know the homes are a lot nicer now and like, quit your belly aching.
You know you got big screen tvs and you got.
You got uber eats and you need to stop ordering avocado toast whatever, even if we are, you know, even if we are curmudgeonly old men deep down.
You know, even if that is, that's as conservatives, that's kind of our natural state.
We have to recognize the palace is never safe when the cottage is unhappy and there are very real economic challenges that young people, even young conservatives, are facing today.
You can say the homes are much bigger and nicer now.
Yeah okay, but there aren't.
There aren't like cheap small homes that your grandparents had.
So they, you still have this housing problem.
You've had massive economic tumult because of the technology revolution you've had uh.
mass migration, which has damaged the economy and economic prospects. You've had decades of racial discrimination against whites and Asians in affirmative action. You have real economic problems. Trump needs to respond to that,
and he is. Even down to banning institutional investors from buying single-family homes. BlackRock doesn't get to buy single-family homes anymore. This is the kind of responsiveness that you get from Trump that is deeply conservative. And there are kind of two schools of thought on this. There's one. They're the guys who think that what politics really is,
is just perfectly reciting verbatim the campaign slogans of Ronald Reagan's re-election campaign in 1984. They think that true conservatism is never changing anything in any way, including the syllables uttered by politicians from what Ronald Reagan said on the trail in 1984. And there are others who say, no, no, no. Ronald Reagan wouldn't be saying that today. If Ronald Reagan were alive today,
he would not be saying the things that he said in 1984. Because politics is a practical art and science, and it applies eternal principles, yes, to constantly changing circumstances. And part of the reason Reagan won, by the way,
is he was reacting to the real circumstances of Jimmy Carter, of stagflation, of a weak foreign policy. He was responding to it. He would have run differently had he run in 1950. He was very sensitive. That's how he built a big coalition of people who previously hadn't voted Republican. Trump did the same thing. He's showing that sensitivity now. And the future politicians we're looking at,
whether we're talking about midterm races in 26, whether we're talking about presidential in 2028, whether we're looking at 2032, they need to be sensitive too. They need to be able to build and rebuild coalitions and change the way that they're talking about policies, Not in a way that is hypocritical and undermining their principles, but in a way that is applying those very principles.
Two changing circumstances by acknowledging the reality of change, which is one of the constants in this world.
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Is that who you think I was alone with?
I knew your father.
I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.
All men know of the great Taliesin.
Who am I?
Father, that the gods should war for my soul? Princess Garrus, saviour of our people. I know what the bull god offered you. I was offered the same. And? There is a new pirate work in the world. I've seen it. God who sacrifices what he loves for us. We are each given only one life,
Singer. No. We're given another. I learnt of Yazoo the Christ. And I have become his follower. He's waiting on a miracle. And I think you can give him one. Trust in Yesu. He is the only hope for men like us. Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the Great Light. Great Light? Great Darkness. Such things mattered to me then. What matters to you now,
Mistress of Light? You, nephew. The sword of the High King. How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield? So cling to the promises of a god who has abandoned you. I cannot take up that sword again. You know what you must do. Great Light,
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