Ep. 1872 - Elon Musk Says He Believes in Jesus Christ?
Jasmine Crockett floats no tax on black people, Elon Musk believes in the teachings of Christ, and Marjorie Taylor Greene attacks President Trump.
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The U.S. is $38 trillion in debt.
The debt to GDP ratio is over 120%.
Thankfully, rising Democrat star and U.S. Senate candidate Jasmine Crockett has a solution to America's enormous fiscal problems.
And the solution is no taxes for black people.
Just this past week, I saw, I don't remember which celebrity, but it was actually a celebrity.
And I was like, I don't know that that's not necessarily a bad idea, but I'd have to think through it a lot.
One of the things that they propose is black folk not have to pay taxes for a certain amount of time because then again, that puts money back in your pocket.
But at the same time, it may not be as objectionable to some people about actually giving out dollars.
But obviously, then you start dealing with the different tax brackets and things like that.
And that's one of the reasons that, you know, we argue the reparations make sense because so many black folk, not only do you owe for the labor that was stolen and killed and all the other things, right?
But the fact is, like, we end up being so far behind, right?
And so it's like, how do you bring forth people exactly?
And so it's like, if you, if you do the no tax thing for people that are already, say, struggling and aren't really paying taxes in the first place, it doesn't really exactly.
They may want those checks like they got exerted.
Exactly.
Now, some will object that the median black taxpayer already receives a significantly greater proportion of benefits to taxes paid relative to the median white taxpayer.
However, others will observe that Sicilians are arguably North African.
And I own a very convincing coogey sweater from the 1990s.
And I look forward to making those honky devils pay all the taxes, my fellow Nubian kings.
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Jasmine Crockett, look, if I can pass, I don't know, the Sicilians, we may all make jokes and everything.
There was that famous line from True Romance, but I think the Sicilians still probably count as white, which means that I will still have to pay taxes, which means I oppose this policy.
But it is delightful to watch Jasmine Crockett suddenly transform into the black lady Milton Friedman, Niltonia Friedman, because did you hear her rationale for why the black people shouldn't pay taxes beyond slavery and oppression, whatever?
She says, from an economic perspective, she said, well, if the black people don't pay taxes to the government, then that means there's going to be more money in their pockets and that's going to help stimulate the economy because those individual taxpayers are actually better at spending their own money than the government is.
This is like Reaganomics.
This is straight out of the 80s GOP Talking Points playbook.
So I don't know.
Maybe Jasmine Crockett's going to have a decent shot in that Texas Senate race.
She's more establishment Republican now than the GOP is.
The GOP has moved more populist on economics.
Here you have Miltonia Friedman.
She's going to be talking about the laugher curve next.
Well, actually, you know, there's a marginal tax rate at which the government actually increases receipts by, okay, all right, that's great.
That's great.
Love it.
Love it.
Also, if we're just talking about, you know, who would deserve to pay less in taxes, for whom it would make more sense to pay less in taxes, probably you would say it's the people who pay more into the system than the benefits that they get out of it relatively.
Wouldn't that be, and I don't think her argument carries a ton of weight.
Now, speaking of African Americans and not paying taxes, Jennifer Welch, another rising star on the left, Jennifer Welch is podcaster lady who's very provocative and who apparently has relationships with top Democrats all over the country.
She has just come out and argued that Elon Musk, the most prominent and the wealthiest African American, Elon Musk, pays no taxes.
He's an immigrant who pays no taxes and yet he's buddies with Trump.
It's wild how rural America, like they believe that land, you know, votes and they don't understand that they're being taxed at a higher rate than somebody like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, who I want to remind everybody that's against immigration, is a immigrant.
I just think it's really important that we remind everybody all the time that Elon Musk is a immigrant that doesn't pay taxes, who is a parasite off the American taxpayer.
Okay, Elon Musk is an immigrant.
I guess that's true.
And he doesn't pay any taxes.
He's a parasite on the American taxpayer.
He's taken more out than he's putting in.
So you hear this canard a lot from the left.
They say, these rich people, they don't pay any taxes.
Even Warren Buffett, he made a smarter version of the argument.
He didn't get caught in that ridiculous lie, but he didn't say they pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries, which also isn't true.
Let's take a look at Elon's taxes because it is true that some years, based on publicly available data, some years Elon Musk has paid relatively little in taxes.
For instance, in 2019 and 2020, he paid less than $100,000 in taxes.
So still, $100,000 in taxes is much, much more than most people are paying in taxes.
But still, you say, okay, for the richest guy in the world to be paying less than $100,000 in taxes per year.
Yeah, that is relatively little, right?
Now, of course, the reason is that Elon Musk makes most of his money from returns on his investments because he owns all of these companies.
He's not going in and punching a time card.
He's not really getting a W-2.
He owns some of the biggest companies in the world.
And so when the companies do well, he makes more money.
When the companies do worse, he makes less money.
And some years he's going to make a lot of money.
Some years he's going to make less money.
So in those two years, his tax return showed that it was a relatively less profitable year.
Other years, however, let's look at 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024.
In those years, Elon Musk paid between $11 and $18 billion in taxes each year.
$11 and $18 billion.
The median American will pay between $279,000 and $306,000 in taxes over the course of their entire lives.
That is income tax.
That is federal income tax.
That is state tax.
That is capital gains tax.
That is FICA, your Social Security, and that's all those taxes.
They're going to pay between $279,000 and $306,000 in the course of their lives.
Elon for 2021, two, three, four, paid between $11 and $18 billion, which means that Elon paid, even using the rosiest numbers for the median American taxpayer, Elon paid in one single year, 58,000 times what the median American will pay in taxes over the course of their entire lives.
58,000 times.
And then just to hit her point right on the nose, she says, and Elon's an immigrant.
So then when you look at the immigrants who don't really contribute to America relative to the native population, who contribute much less to America relative to the native population, Elon in one single year pays 73,000 times what the average immigrant to America will pay over the course of their lifetime.
So I don't know that this is really an argument that the left wants to get into.
I think it's a little bit weak and it's certainly disingenuous.
It's certainly totally false.
Now, the left has made hay with this kind of argument before.
I don't know.
I think that's shifted.
I think people see now the reality of immigration.
What we were told for our whole lives is diversity is our strength and, you know, Americans are lazy and fat and stupid and we need to be culturally enriched by immigrants.
We don't really look into who those immigrants are.
Now I think we're seeing the reality of it, which is that the immigrants who cross the southern border do so with the help of criminal cartels, terrorist cartels, actually.
And the Somalis who come over here built the Minnesota taxpayer for a billion dollars and they pay less in taxes and they take more in welfare and they commit way more crimes, especially if you include immigration crimes.
And they fray social solidarity, not even necessarily through any fault of their own.
They just come from different cultures.
Doesn't pan out.
And if you are going to take any immigrants at all, guess which immigrants it's going to be?
If I had my brothers, it would probably be my favorite African-American immigrant.
Can you be an African-American immigrant?
You mean African immigrant?
Anyway, it would be Elon.
I think he would probably be better for America than the Somalis, the pirates who come over and steal a billion dollars.
The left would say the opposite.
The left would say, no, we hate the guy who built this big company and is really helping America on the global stage and help get Trump elected.
And we want the Somali pirate.
Okay.
Well, let's dig into Elon a little bit because Elon's gone viral for a comment that he just made on the Katie Miller podcast.
Elon was asked not about money, not about immigration, not about politics.
He was asked about religion, what he believes.
Here's his answer.
Who do you look up to the most?
The creator.
What's your current position on God?
God is the creator.
You don't believe in God, though, do you?
Well, I believe there was this universe came for something.
People have different labels.
Okay.
So a lot of people are really excited by this answer.
I guess it's better than nothing.
It's better than saying, I don't believe in God or I'm some Reddit tier atheist.
But I don't love that answer.
I don't love that answer.
And I think Elon is super smart and he's been unbelievably helpful to all of us when it comes to the political order, getting Trump elected, opening up speech for conservatives on social media.
You know, the guy, he's right and brilliant about so many things.
I think he's paid less attention to religion, to the ultimate questions.
And I think these answers, they're not quite there.
So we'll get into where he goes wrong.
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Elon's politics.
I know the left wants to call him a fascist or something.
Elon's politics are classically liberal.
Lowercase L classically liberal.
I'm not a liberal.
I'm a conservative.
There are plenty of people on the right who say, you know, I'm a conservative because I'm a liberal.
I'm a classical liberal.
I love the ideas of the Enlightenment.
And what Elon is espousing here is Enlightenment deism.
He says God is the creator, and that's it.
That's not what Christians believe.
Christians believe that God is constantly involved in the particular affairs of human beings, that divine providence governs the entire world, and that God intervenes directly into the world, that he actually entered into history through the incarnation, that he established a real church, that he has representatives on earth, that he gave us sacraments, that we can pray to him, that we can have a personal relationship with him.
The Enlightenment deist view is the divine clock maker, the watchmaker, who sets up everything meticulously, perfectly, and then just lets it go and is not involved.
In many ways, that view of God is closer to Islam, where the relationship, the gap between a human being and God is unbridgeable.
But Christianity, it is bridgeable because God becomes man, because there is the God-man of Jesus Christ who enters into history and who dies for our sins.
Major, major difference.
That's the view that shaped our whole civilization.
Then during the Enlightenment, you had these people say, yeah, well, we don't really, we don't want all that stuff anymore.
We don't want the particularity.
We don't want the scandal of the cross.
We don't want, you know, Christ.
We want Christianity without Christ.
So yeah, we believe in God because the existence of God can be known with certainty by natural reason.
We know that the universe doesn't come from nowhere, as Elon rightly points out.
But that's it.
That's the furthest we're willing to go.
Okay, all right, fine.
That's a very common view, but it's insufficient.
It doesn't explain the religious longing that human beings have.
It doesn't explain our intuitions.
It doesn't really totally explain the intelligibility of the universe.
It doesn't answer our questions.
We long for more.
Elon longs for more.
Elon says, you know, he's a kind of a cultural Christian.
He doesn't really believe in Christianity.
He doesn't really follow Christianity, but he likes Christianity and he wants to believe some of it.
I believe in the teachings of Christ.
I believe that he's like, I believe in the Christian principles.
You know, love thy neighbor.
I believe in turn the other cheek, which is very important to have forgiveness, because if you don't have forgiveness, then you have an endless cycle of retribution.
Okay, I believe in the Christian principles.
Again, here, and I mean this a little bit as a compliment, largely as a compliment.
Elon is a kind of a lowercase L liberal.
He believes in the principles of the Enlightenment.
What he's saying here is something that John Adams said.
John Adams, who was one of the more conservative founding fathers, who said the principles of Christianity are the principles on which independence was one.
Okay, that's great.
So he says he's culturally Christian, but he's not a practicing Christian.
He doesn't belong to the church.
He doesn't avail himself of the sacraments.
He doesn't respect the authority of the church necessarily.
But he says, look, even though I'm not really a Christian, I believe in Jesus' teachings.
I really respect.
He's a great moral teacher.
Okay, a lot of people say this.
I love Jesus' teachings, but I don't necessarily believe that he's God.
You know, I don't, I said, well, that's tough because one of Christ's teachings is that he's God.
So you can't really say that.
You can't really say, look, I don't believe that Christ is God.
I don't believe in Christianity as a religion, but I think he was a great moral teacher.
Well, one of the things he taught is that he's God.
So I guess you don't believe in his teachings.
Well, I like, you know, the teachings about be nice.
No, he didn't really say be nice, first of all.
He said, love your neighbor.
You know, he said, you know, pray for those who persecute you.
He said, love the Lord your God above all things and your neighbor is yourself.
Okay.
Yeah, he said those things.
He also said, if you don't eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.
He also taught that.
Do you believe in that teaching?
Do you believe that you have to take up your cross and carry it?
Do you believe that Christ is the way, the truth, and the life?
And the only way to the Father is through the Son?
Because that's what he taught too.
And so if you say, I believe Jesus is a great moral teacher, but he's not God, that's a contradictory statement.
Or at best, the most charitable read of that view is that you think Christ is a great moral teacher and a liar.
How can a liar be a great moral teacher?
Liars are immoral.
Or you think he's a great moral teacher, but he's a lunatic.
Well, if he's a lunatic, then he's not a great teacher, is he?
Because teachers have to teach the truth.
Teachers have to have a grasp on reality.
It just doesn't make sense.
One of Christ's teachings is that the poor will always be with us.
Elon recently said that we're going to eradicate poverty soon.
I don't mean to beat up on Elon.
Like, this is a good start.
I really, I'm glad.
This is great.
I love that Elon says, yeah, I believe in a creator.
I believe in God, at least as the creator of heaven and earth.
That's great.
And Elon has been busy thinking about a lot of other things and accomplishing much more than the vast majority of human beings could ever imagine to do in their lifetimes.
He's one of the most exceptional people in the history, certainly in modern history.
But he hasn't spent enough time thinking about these questions, the eternal questions.
And if he has, because he's obviously very intelligent, if he has the instinct to start to follow some of these ideas, he needs to follow them more seriously.
He's too smart to be making these kinds of logical errors, which to me just means he's just kind of distracted by other questions.
Okay, that's fine.
But if we're going to take it seriously, you know, look, this is ultimately what it matters more.
It matters more that we go to heaven than that we go to Mars.
Because even if you make it all the way to Mars, you're going to die eventually.
You're going to turn to worm food or Mars worms, Martian food.
I don't know.
But eternity matters more than temporality.
So we got to take these ideas seriously.
Very, very important.
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President Trump, this was on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on Monday.
I know it's Wednesday, but I really want to get to it.
President Trump sends out this presidential message.
This is on a feast commemorating the traditional Christian idea and the dogmatically Catholic idea, in fact, as far as I'm concerned, that Mary was conceived without sin, that Mary, being the new Eve, being the Ark of the New Covenant, was immaculate, preserved by a singular grace from her son from the stain of original sin.
This is a long-standing Christian belief.
It was defined dogmatically within the Catholic Church.
Many Christians, baptized Christians who are not Catholic believe in this.
Some baptized Christians don't believe in this, but nevertheless, this is what President Trump had to say.
Today, I recognize every American celebrating December 8th as a holy day honoring the faith, humility, and love of Mary, mother of Jesus, one of the greatest figures in the Bible.
On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Catholics celebrate what they believe to be Mary's freedom from original sin as the mother of God.
She first entered recorded history as a young woman when, according to Holy Scripture, the angel Gabriel greeted her in the village of Nazareth with news of a miracle.
Hail, favored one, the Lord is with you.
You will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.
In one of the most profound and consequential acts of history, Mary heroically accepted God's will with trust and humility.
Behold, I am the handmaiden of the Lord.
May it be done to me according to your word.
Mary's decision forever altered the course of humanity.
Nine months later, God became man when Mary gave birth to a son, Jesus, who would go on to offer his life on the cross for the redemption of sins and the salvation of the world.
A beautiful, beautiful religious statement.
And even if you don't agree with the Immaculate Conception yet, even if you don't agree with that as a matter of religion, surely you must say this is wonderful that President Trump is speaking about religion and about Christianity in this open way.
This was very common in American history until the last few decades.
And things have gone to pot in the last few decades, and now he's doing it again.
But here's the real key.
It says, for nearly 250 years, Mary just played a distinct role in our great American story.
Here's the political import coming out of the White House.
In 1792, less than a decade after the end of the Revolutionary War, Bishop John Carroll, the first Catholic bishop in the U.S. and cousin of the signer of the Declaration of Independence, Charles Carroll, only Catholic to sign the Declaration, consecrated our young nation to the mother of Christ.
Less than a quarter century later, Catholics contributed to General Andrew Jackson's, or attributed to General Andrew Jackson's stunning victory of the British in the climatic battle of New Orleans to Mary.
I didn't even know that.
Apparently, Catholics believe that Mary's intercession, just as we attribute the victory at the Battle of Lepanto over the Muslims to Mary's intercession, we attribute General Jackson's victory over the British at the Battle of New Orleans.
Every year, Catholics celebrate a mass of Thanksgiving in New Orleans on this day.
American legends like Elizabeth Ann Seton, Francis Xavier Cabrini, Fulton Sheen, who spent their lives glorifying God, you know, had a deep devotion to Mary.
Okay, it goes on and on and on.
So, so beautiful.
Goes on about the role of Mary and Catholicism in the American story.
And what I find so delightful about this, other than the fact that I'm a Catholic and I think that's just good, is the way in which history and our telling of history has changed.
This is really, really instructive, even if you don't care at all about religion, even if you're not Catholic, Christian.
60 years ago, 70, 80 years ago, it would be unthinkable that in the United States of America, there would be a statement this explicitly Catholic coming from the president of the United States.
200, 300 years ago, it would be absolutely preposterous to imagine that the chief executive of the country, outside of Maryland, that the chief executive of the country would be speaking in this Catholic way.
Arthur Schlesinger famously said that anti-Catholicism is the deepest prejudice in America.
And yet now we're getting this kind of, why?
Why is that happening?
Well, you know, I think the weight and force of religious truth is helpful here.
But two, let's not forget that around that same time that there was all this anti-Catholicism, you had Alexei de Tocqueville, the greatest analyst of American politics and the American political order.
He makes this bold, shocking, audacious prediction that over time, America will become Catholic.
This Protestant country will become Catholic or atheist, but it will trend in those two directions.
Seems preposterous at the time.
We've talked about his reasoning for that before, which I find persuasive.
It's kind of off-the-wall reasoning, but I think it's persuasive.
You're seeing that happen right now.
And even beyond the level of religion, even if you're Catholic, if you're anti-Catholic, if you're anti-Christian generally, this is what happens in history.
Our history changes.
The telling of history changes because our self-conception constantly changes, because our country is constantly changing, because political orders are dynamic.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Some people say that's revisionism.
That's crazy.
It's just, that's how history is told.
That's just how history works.
When I was a kid, Reagan was the man.
Nixon was terrible.
These days, little shine has come off of Ronald Reagan and Nixon's been vindicated again.
That happens.
That plays on every level of politics, every level of history.
History is necessarily rewritten.
And I, for one, am quite excited by the way that I think certain truths are really coming to the top of history.
Let's not forget.
I mean, all of the America is dedicated to the Tilmar lady of Guadalupe, this Marian apparition that led to the conversion of millions of Indigenous.
That's a story for another time.
Okay, speaking of presidential power, there's a major argument going on right now at the Supreme Court over presidential power.
This is Trump v. Slaughter.
And the argument is over whether or not President Trump has the right to fire people in the executive branch.
It's like ridiculous for most people.
They hear this.
They say, hold on.
You're asking if the president of the United States, the head of the executive branch, has the right to fire people in the executive branch.
But for 90 some odd years now, we have been told, no, the president doesn't.
This was a major issue in Trump's first term.
He wanted to drain the swamp.
He was elected to drain the swamp, but he couldn't drain the swamp.
He couldn't fire people, even within the branch of government that he supposedly controlled.
So the court is hearing these arguments now.
And as we all expect, Justice Katanji Jackson comes in with the most preposterous arguments any of them are making.
Some issues, some matters, some areas should be handled in this way by nonpartisan experts.
That Congress is saying that expertise matters with respect to aspects of the economy and transportation and the various independent agencies that we have.
So having a president come in and fire all the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything is actually not in the best interest of the citizens of the United States.
These issues should not be in presidential control.
So can you speak to me about the danger of allowing in these various areas the president to actually control the Transportation Board and potentially the Federal Reserve and all these other independent agencies?
In these particular areas, we would like to have independence.
We don't want the president controlling.
Okay, we don't.
It's terrible.
Could you imagine if the chief executive controlled the executive branch, what would happen?
So here you have a Democrat, Katanji Jackson, a partisan Democrat on the Supreme Court, arguing very, very explicitly against democracy and our mixed regime, which is heavily democratic.
In our country, which is supposed to be a self-government, the people elect the president to run the executive branch.
And Katanji Jackson says, well, the guy that the people elect should not be able to fire people within that branch.
We can't let the president, elected by the people, have control.
We need to give power to the experts and the PhDs and the technocrats and the supposedly independent individuals who can govern us better than we can govern ourselves.
An argument coming from a partisan Democrat on the Supreme Court to try to control the executive branch.
Where did this even come from?
This all comes from a case in 1935, Humphreys Executor versus the United States, which was a case that established this notion that the president does not totally control the executive branch.
And let's just zoom it out a little bit from 90 years ago.
Should the president be able to control the executive branch?
Today, the Democrats are saying no.
The Democrats are saying no because the president is Donald Trump.
However, one imagines that if we had a Democrat president in office, they would support substantially more authority for the president.
So then let's try to take the parties out of it generally.
Should the president have more power or less power over his own branch?
Not the power to fire Supreme Court justices, not the power to fire members of Congress, just the power over his own branch of government.
The consensus view today among both parties, I think, is that the chief threat to liberty comes from the president having too much power.
I hear this on the right just as much as I hear this on the left.
We need to give Congress more power or we need to give the Supreme Court more power.
The Supreme Court already has a lot of power.
Then when the Supreme Court does things that Democrats don't like, they say we need to pack the Supreme Court.
We need to weaken the Supreme Court.
But they all agree we need to weaken the power of the president.
That's how we'll defend liberty.
I think that's ridiculous.
I think the reality is the chief threat to liberty within the organization of the federal government comes from the president not having enough power.
I think we need much more power in the presidency.
It might be an unpopular view among some of the, I don't know, the libertarians or the liberals or maybe the squishy types.
But what's the alternative?
Congress doesn't want to do anything.
Congress doesn't want to do anything.
Republicans control Congress right now, right?
They're not doing much of anything at all.
In the Senate, they're not doing much of anything at all either.
They're not, it's not, we're not just going to give power back.
Congress gave away a lot of that power.
So the question is not who's going to control things, president or Congress.
The question is who's going to control things?
The president or the technocrats?
The bureaucrats?
We call it the deep state.
What's better?
Now, I'm not even going so far as to say we need to abolish the federal agencies.
I'm not even going so far as to say that we shouldn't have bureaucrats.
Every big government has bureaucrats.
I get that.
That's been true for the whole history of the world.
I'm just saying that the chief executive ought to be in charge.
I don't think our constitutional system is such that the deputy assistant deputy functionary at the Federal Trade Commission has power over the president of the United States.
That's totally crazy.
This is what is meant by the unitary executive theory.
It's a pretty simple theory.
It's that the chief executive has control over the executive branch.
That's simple.
A lot of the last 10 years of politics has been upending conventional consensus understanding.
And I think one of the biggest ones is the real threat to liberty is not from a president who's too strong.
It's from a president who's too weak.
Speaking of President Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, once the rock-ribbed ally of President Trump, she and Trump were in a big fight.
They're in a big, big fight.
She's going on liberal news channels to smack him.
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I want to tell you about Tito Bandito 6, who says, this is just generally speaking, I don't know if this is directed at Jasmine Crockett or someone else, but says, you are without doubt the dumbest congressman I've ever heard of, but you have heard of me.
Yeah, I love that response.
I think that's going to be a theme of the Jasmine Crockett for Senate campaign.
Yeah, you're making fun of me for saying some dumb thing, but guess what?
You're talking about me.
And you know what?
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
Okay, before we get to MTG fighting with President Trump, in this episode of Michael And, I sit down with former high-end male escort Sean Deering, who reveals how Sean Diddy Combs personally hired him for illicit nights with Diddy's girlfriends long before the raids, the lawsuits, the Netflix docs exploded into public view.
From lavish hotel suites to the unspoken rules, the ultra-rich, Sean unpacks the dark side of fame, power, and the sex for higher underworld that fueled it all.
Check out this teaser.
So I don't know who I'm seeing.
And so I show up to the address.
I go up to the door, knock, and she opens the door.
So you say it's very performative.
She's like, okay, sit there.
She puts the towel down.
I'm like, hey, just pour the baby oil all over me.
I see like the little slit in the room.
There were times in the sessions where I saw that demon, the demon that she talked about.
Personal demon.
You know, these are the demons that are afflicting me.
Or Diddy.
Yeah, Diddy.
You actually did this stuff.
Your name and your picture were revealed in court.
Revealed in court.
And then it was sort of mainstream when 50 posted that picture.
So this guy is a sex crazed animal.
But she was under his control.
Because there's video of him beating her in a hallway.
I'm supposed to be there that night.
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Marjorie Taylor Green smacking Trump.
Here she is on CNN.
To be precise, in addition to what we just heard there, President Trump posted yesterday that you are, quote, and I'm quoting him now, not America First or MAGA, and your, quote, new views are those of a very dumb person.
That's the President of the United States speaking about you.
What's your response to these latest attacks?
Well, actually, Wolf, I feel very sorry for President Trump.
I genuinely do.
It has to be a hard place for someone that is constantly so hateful and puts so much vitriol, name-calling, and really tells lies about people in order to try to get his way or win some kind of fight.
And I think that's exactly what's wrong in America today.
That's what's wrong in this toxic political environment that has ripped our country apart.
And I personally think that that's poor leadership from a president.
It's a very bad demeanor.
And Americans are very tired of it.
Whoa, she's going for the jugular.
MTG is going for the jugular on CNN.
Now, in Marjorie Taylor Greene's defense, Trump's smacking her too.
So she's in a political fight and she's smacking him back.
And maybe she smacked a little bit first.
It was perceived that way by the White House.
And then Trump smacks her and they're just going back and forth.
Okay.
Still.
She says he's a liar.
He's full of hatred and vitriol.
He's a bad leader.
He's tearing this country apart.
This raises a lot of questions.
Was he not doing that six months ago?
You guys were chummy chummy six months ago.
He was a totally different person then.
He's only started lying and being hateful and vitriolic and tearing the country apart.
Now, is that kind of a hard claim to make that he's just turned on a dime?
The only big change, of course, is in this relationship.
You guys used to be allies, now you're enemies.
You used to go on Fox News, and now you're going on CNN.
Is that what is the change here?
It is a reminder.
Regardless of what you think about Trump or MTG, this is just a reminder about politics.
Politics is about people.
It is a people business.
We sometimes think that politics is primarily about ideology or even just ideas or policy.
It's not.
Those things are involved, we hope, if you have a functioning polity.
But what politics is primarily about is people, because politics is just how we all live together in community.
And the law, lawmaking, law enforcement, the law is an ordinance of reason for the common good by him who has care of the community and promulgated.
It's for the common good of people.
It's how we all get along.
MTG used to be on one team.
When she was on that team, she went on certain news networks and she said certain things about certain people.
When she was booted off the team or when she chose to leave the team or however it happened, everything shifted.
Now she's going to go on different news networks.
And you know what?
She's going to say different things about those same people that she was saying six months ago.
And that's just how it works.
That's just how it works.
I'm even reserving moral judgment here.
That's just what politics is.
Liz Cheney could vote with Trump 95% of the time.
But on the crucial matters, when it really, really, really mattered, Liz Cheney was on the wrong side of it.
And this created a very tough relationship with Donald Trump.
And so Liz Cheney, the daughter of Dick Cheney, once thought of by Democrats as Darth Vader, Liz Cheney is just, she's just a Democrat now.
She just is in every practical sense.
She's a Democrat.
It doesn't matter that she voted with Trump 95% of the time.
That's what's happening here.
And it's not just MTG.
This happens all the time.
And it brings me back to Charlie.
Brings me back to our pal Charlie Kirk, because people always talk about Charlie's contributions to American politics.
Oh, the debates were so good.
Oh, the podcast was so good.
Oh, the books.
I love his books.
Oh, this, oh, that, oh, this, oh, that.
Oh, the campus chapters.
Yeah.
All of that stuff was really cool.
He was really good at all of it.
His chief contribution was in keeping the team together.
That was Charlie's chief contribution.
He did it better than anyone, frankly, including President Trump, who's very good at it too.
Charlie knew how to keep people within a coalition, people who hated each other and who still hate each other.
And he knew how to make them all play nice with each other.
And he hosted them at his big events, which were the events to go to.
We've got America Fest coming up now.
He knew who to keep out.
He knew who wasn't going to work in the coalition, who wasn't valuable enough to bring in, with whom we shouldn't compromise.
He knew, and he just managed that beautifully.
And that is sorely lacking right now.
We need figures on the right.
I'm not going to say most of them.
Certain of them can beat each other up.
And for some people, maybe that's their role, to just fight and punch and pummel and vie for one faction to have more power than the other.
I grant that for some people, that's their role.
What is sorely lacking right now, because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, what is lacking is the people who can keep the coalition together, who can keep the team together to achieve political results, because the winners make policy and the losers go home.
And so there's always going to be sniping and arguing and hostility.
And you need that.
You need a reasonable degree of that.
You also need the peacemakers.
You also need the peacemakers.
And we don't have very many of those right now in the conservative movement.
And that's everyone was willing to pick up and carry on Charlie's legacy when it comes to the debates and the speaking events and this.
How many people are willing to pick up the legacy of the peacemakers to keep the team together to win?
I don't see as much of that, unfortunately.
I see it somewhere.
I see it in some places.
I think the vice president's done a good job of that.
But I'd like to see more of it.
Okay, speaking of the Trump administration, some big, people are all sniping at the trade, even from the right at the Trump administration.
Here's a big win that's flown under the radar.
It's Tom Holman, Borders Are, on just a little, just little thing that the Trump admin has done, namely save 62,000 migrant children from sex trafficking and forced labor.
I look at the numbers every day.
On Friday, I looked at the numbers.
There's over 62,000 children found by the Trump administration.
Children that weren't even being looked for under the Biden administration.
President Trump saved over 62,000 children's lives.
Some of these children were in sex trafficking.
We found some were in forced labor.
Some were being mistreated.
I can't even discuss some of the mistreatment we found out about.
President Trump, again, proves why he's the greatest president in my lifetime.
Over 62,000 children rescued by President Trump.
Again, children that were ignored and weren't being looked for under President Biden.
62,000 migrant children.
This is an important point because it comes from even the concerns on the left.
Oh, won't somebody please think of the children, these poor migrant children who show up to the border unaccompanied?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
There were a lot of those under the Biden administration.
But their answer was, that's why we have to let them into the country.
That's why we have to encourage more unaccompanied children to come into the country.
What do you think happened to those kids?
What do you think happened?
They came in and were just immediately adopted into a loving home and they got to sit down and have their first Thanksgiving dinner.
Wow, isn't that so nice?
And they get their own little bedroom and their own little race car bed and they're totally taken care of and not at all exploited.
Is that what you think happened?
What would happen if you were at a public park and you were there with your kid and you walked away for 10 minutes?
What do you fear would happen?
You fear that someone would take your kid or victimize your kid in some way, right?
10 minutes unaccompanied at a public park in America.
What do you think happens to these kids who are hanging out with the cartels in Mexico and then who are smuggled into the United States with no document trail?
What do you think happens to those kids?
What do you think happens to like most of those kids?
There was a study came out, this is a long time ago now, even before these really hot migration debates.
It was 2006, 2007, said that this is from Fusion and Amnesty International reported in the Huffington Post, 60 to 80% of girls who crossed the border illegally are raped or sexually assaulted along the way.
You think it was once?
There's a great point from the Trump administration.
Even on the left's own terms, the necessary implication of unaccompanied children at the border are that these kids are being exploited for their labor, sexually exploited.
It's a necessary implication.
And to encourage that to continue is to encourage the abuse.
Okay, one last bit.
I mentioned it at the top of the show.
This is truly horrifying.
Do you know there's a Tinder for kids?
You know, Tinder, the dating app, you swipe, swipe, swipe.
There's a Tinder for kids.
It's called Wiz.
Just learned about this from The Hill.
There's a whole expose on it.
I think my senator, Marsha Blackburn, is leading the charge on this.
Says that there is a same iconic right swipe left functionality, swipe right, swipe left functionality.
You know, yes, I want to talk to you.
No, I don't want to talk to you.
Same purpose as Tinder to meet up with strangers, only this time it's targeted at both teens and adults.
What is the result of this app design?
A 12-year-old girl meeting up with a supposed 14-year-old boy that Wiz connected her with, only to discover the boy was an adult male who sexually assaulted her.
An eighth grader being sexually abused by a 27-year-old man, then finding out she was one of several underage girls he had groomed through Wiz.
An 11-year-old girl being sexually assaulted by a U.S. Marines she met on Wiz.
All of this in the last year alone, I'm reading this just straight out of the hill.
There are many more cases.
When the National Center on Sexual Exploitation shared the story, Wiz reached out to us saying the New York Post's claims were false and that the 52-year-old's account was never approved.
So what did we do?
We tested the app ourselves and our 28-year-old adult employee was easily able to create an account as a 16-year-old girl.
So everyone's reaction to this is Tinder for what?
Tinder for who?
Tinder for kids?
How on earth did this app get approved?
How is this in the app store?
Why wouldn't it be?
Why wouldn't it be?
By the dominant logic of how we treat children and sex today.
Why wouldn't it be approved?
It is taught in virtually every public school in America that a child has the right to private decisions about his or her sexuality.
We told kindergartners that they could pick their own sex and the teachers would hide it from their parents, that they had an individual right to their own sexual identity, sexual expression, dating, dating.
What does it mean?
To say that a child has some right to identify as lesbian or gay is to say that a child has a right to date privately outside the guardrails and supervision of the kid's parents, right?
What is it to be lesbian or gay?
That very identity is oriented toward dating people.
It's oriented toward sexual relations with people.
Our whole culture has now said for years, decades, really, that children have the right to private sexual behavior.
Pornography is said to be perfectly fine, in some cases healthy, in health classes in public schools.
So why can't they be on dating apps?
They're allowed to date.
They're allowed to do particularly weird sex stuff.
They're allowed to learn about sex.
They're allowed to look at pornography.
They're encouraged to do all of these things outside of parental supervision, but they can't do it on this one particular app.
They're only allowed to date people that they meet where?
In school, at in what?
There are already nonprofits.
They're LGBT nonprofits that create chat rooms for kids to talk about their sex.
Doesn't the Trevor Project do that?
So I don't know.
I mean, look, look, obviously, Wiz should be illegal.
And frankly, if they keep it up, they should be prosecuted.
But is Tinder for kids all that different from what the LGBT nonprofits in the public schools are doing?
I don't really see it.
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All of this is an illusion.
An echo of a voice that has died.
And soon that echo will cease.
They say that Merlin is mad.
They say he was a king in David.
The son of a princess of lost Atlantis.
They say the future and the past are known to him.
That the fire and the wind tell him their secrets.
That the magic of the hillfolk and druids come forth at his easy command.
They say he slew hundreds.
Hundreds, do you hear?
That the world burned and trembled at his wrath.
The Merlin died long before you and I were born.
Merlin Emirus has returned to the land of the living.
Vortigen is gone.
Rome is gone.
The Saxon is here.
Saxon Hengist has assembled the greatest war host ever seen in the island of the mighty.
And before the summer is through, he means to take the throne.
And he will have it.
If we are too busy squabbling amongst ourselves to take up arms against him, here is your hope.
A king will arise to hold all Britain in his hand.
A high king who will be the wonder of the world.
You to a future of peace.
There'll be no peace in these lands till we are all dust.
Men of the island of the mighty!
You stand together!
You stand as Britons!
You stand as warn!
Great darkness is falling upon this land.
These brothers are our only hope to stand against it.
