Tough Questions And Real Drinks: YES or NO | Isabel Brown
In this episode, Michael Knowles welcomes conservative firebrand Isabel Brown to the world’s most unpredictable game show. From hot-button campus culture debates to spicy pop culture takes, Michael and Isabel answer the toughest questions with only one rule: no fence-sitting. It’s YES or NO — and it might get a little too honest.
Who will win the most points? Who will lose their filter first? And what happens when Isabel flips the questions back on Michael? Watch and play along in the comments.
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Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?
If you're losing the battle, what is he even to do?
If you're fat and not take care of yourself, I'm not fat.
Great.
Thank you, Ben Davies, you jerk, fat jerking.
Welcome to Yes or No, the Bibulous Battle to discover who knows whom best.
My guest today is my friend and colleague, Isabel Brown.
How do we play?
I will ask Isabelle a yes or no question.
She will select her answer away from my prying eyes.
Then I will guess how she answered.
If I guess correctly, I get a point.
If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.
No matter what, I will end up drinking.
Then it's Isabel's turn.
Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.
Whoever has the most points at the end wins.
The stakes could be higher.
Let's get started.
Isabel, so marvelous to see you.
Thank you.
I'm so happy to be in Nashville.
You've been on my various shows a number of times, but this is the first time that you've been on a show since becoming my colleague officially.
So you're at the Daily Wire now.
I am, and we are very hard at work.
How did we get you?
Oh my gosh, it's been a long, long journey, but I'm so happy to be here.
It was totally a God thing that I got a call literally two days before having my baby girl about if I would ever be interested in doing something at the Daily Wire, and that evolved between some back and forth to taking on my podcast, the Isabel Brown show, and turning it into a whole new level of awesome.
Wow, that's fabulous.
That's great.
It is fantastic.
Man, I don't know.
I've got to have more kids, because I've only got I've only had three so far.
And you know, Drew actually says this.
But I I asked Drew when I was about to have my first kid.
I was like, I don't know, it's crazy.
Can I afford a kid?
He goes, kids are little money bags.
Yeah.
He says they're little money bags.
You have them, and then you just you new opportunities emerge.
And that's what apparently what happened here.
It is very, very true.
I never expected it.
Do you know the rules to this game?
I do, and in fact, I've been watching your old episodes.
So I'm hopeful that I have trained sufficiently to beat you potentially to that.
I'm glad to hear that.
Because you're a lady, you go first.
All right.
Drum roll, please.
Should teenagers, Michael, be required to get parental consent to join social media?
*Pink*
Yes.
I would figure that.
For sure.
Right?
How do you feel about some of these states that are making laws about this, though?
Do you think it should be a role of the parents or a role of the state?
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yeah, I think interesting.
I mean, you know, look, there was this moment.
When I was coming up, you're much younger and more vibrant than I am, Isabel.
But uh I, an old man, when I was coming up in politics, there was this thing where the conservatives never wanted to actually wield political power.
Fair.
So we'd say you have to elect us and give us all this political power so that we can never use it ever.
And you say, why am I electing you at all?
And so but they would say, no, no, no.
You can't you can't legislate morality.
Or it'd say, no, the state can't ever anything.
I don't know, the state's pretty effective when the libs use it, you know, they're like pummeling us into the dirt.
And so I think I have this more classical conception of politics, which is that the law is a tutor.
Same St. Paul says that.
The law is a teacher.
And so you you want to make sure that you don't have too heavy a hand.
You don't want, you know, like big daddy president just like uh deciding every single thing in your life.
But the social media stuff is is quite dangerous.
Yeah.
It can be the internet is just a portal to hell, basically, the cell phones.
And so teenagers are going to look at like porn and terrible things, radical politics and nasty bullying and all it's just everything.
And so absolutely, I think it's uh the state has a role to uh to rein that in a little bit.
I do.
My only concern is that I think the state sometimes tries to replace the role of the parent.
And if I've learned anything as a new parent every time we are out and about in public, the number of people that just shove devices in their kids' face.
Oh, I know.
It's the scariest thing I've ever seen.
Already we've been FaceTiming with our extended relatives because they don't live near us.
And it's insane how quickly my 11-week old daughter Will just immediately change her whole demeanor while FaceTiming somebody.
So I do think the primary onus falls on the parents.
And to play devil's advocate a little bit, I don't think we would have gotten to where we are right now with conservatism becoming mainstream and arguably the strong majority of Gen Z if it weren't for young teenagers being exposed to the show.
On social media, I know I know in the last 10 years or so.
There is a kind of irony, which is like no one should give their kids smartphones or the internet, except for my show.
That's the one except you know, so there is obviously there's a tension there.
But but it's uh it's bizarre, because we got this crack through, you know, with with the new media where we are able to win over younger millennials and Zoomers, and now I guess into Gen Alpha, but yeah, you don't want them to just have their brains turned to complete mush.
True.
Yeah.
Okay, I'm up.
All right, let's see.
Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer?
As long as your husband earns all the money.
Wow, okay.
That was a role of social media.
There's an important copy out there.
Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer?
as long as your husband earns all the money You would say the world may never know.
No, yes, no, you would say no.
I would say no.
Every other chick who goes on the internet and TV as a conservative, I love them.
Many of them are close personal friends of mine.
But they all defend it and they say, no, no, I'm a real trad wife.
And I think, lady, you're on TV.
What are you talking about?
Well, also it's important to note the connotation of what trad wife has like come to be.
Yeah, yeah.
That, and it's also just incredibly bizarre to me how the media and how social media has labeled certain women like queen of the trad wives.
Best example being Hannah Neileman, Ballerina Farm.
Literally, the mainstream media wrote up this horrible hit piece about how she's so oppressed by her evil husband because she has so many children and has them at home, and then gets up and bakes sourdough later that day.
But it's fascinating because she repeatedly has rebuked that title and said, I do not identify as a big thing.
She's not a booish, I've no idea.
She has a hugely successful agricultural business.
Her brand is called Ballerena Farm, was a previous professional ballet dancer trained at Juilliard.
Oh, wow, that's cool.
And then they moved to Utah and they have this beautiful, thriving ranch with a bunch of beautiful kids running around, and yet she at the same time competes in Mrs. World pageants, looks phenomenal doing it literally days after giving birth to her children, which is amazing.
Um people have this connotation or stipulation that she's a trad wife because she posts videos of herself cooking all of their meals from scratch, living in this beautiful idyllic farmhouse in Utah and going out and milking their cow.
But she also has quite literally one of the most successful female-run businesses in the world.
In their country, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And she says, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
I'm not a true trad wife, so to speak.
So I think it's more in the eye of the beholder than how most people would personally identify.
But personally, I would say no, you have your own brand, your own situation.
Yeah, you just even if you're not making money.
Even because here's what happens.
I mean, not for someone like you who has been public for a long time, but for someone who has been private, and then they get married and they maybe they quit their job or they don't have a job, and then they say, okay, well, I want the money from a second job.
So I'm gonna make content, but I'm gonna make content about my really trad life.
And therein lies the problem, because you can't the moment that you make the private public, the moment that you become a brand, you have forfeited.
You're it might be you might have a nice topic.
Like that.
That's not a course not.
So I don't think that's a possibility.
No.
I know.
I I just think like when when you say, okay, well, here's the this is the trad wife influencer.
Here's the tra I just think the one thing I can tell you about trad wives, they're not on TikTok.
They don't that's not where they live.
They live in their house.
They don't live, okay.
Which there's nothing wrong with.
Let me just say this.
There's nothing wrong with promoting traditional values as a woman on social media.
Yeah, yeah, I'm awful.
That doesn't make you a trad wife.
Yes.
That's an impression.
You are you are uh uh an educator.
You are a an inspiration to many, but you can't you can't be that thing.
Yeah, that's right.
Amen.
All right.
Let's reset.
Michael.
Yes.
Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?
If you're losing the battle, what is he even insinuating with that?
If you're fat and not take care of yourself, I'm not fat.
He what he would say, all you.
Well, he would, yeah, yeah.
He's talking about that literal you.
What he would say, he gets one of these like every time.
He's like, hey, if you're a butter soft, like you know, a little pudgy pillsbury dough boy.
Yeah.
But I'm not what they what he would say is that I'm skinny fat.
Like I'm skinny, but I don't ever work out.
So I'm not sure.
I mean, your metabolism seems to be doing this.
My metabolism's great.
Thank you, Ben Davies, you jerk, you father.
Okay, proverbial you.
Can the proverbial you be a political and cultural warrior?
If you're losing the battle metabolism.
Oh, sorry.
Shoot.
Ah man, I gave away the point.
I'm just so angry at that question.
Yeah, fine, I won't lie.
You think you can?
Yeah.
Well, first of all, I mean the greatest right-wing cultural warrior of our lifetime, Chris Christie.
What are you laughing about?
Yeah, you're trying to warrior.
Charles Martell of New Jersey moderate politics.
Yeah, I think.
No, you can.
I'm trying to think.
I mean, Churchill, Georgia was kind of a fatty.
Yes, this is true.
And Churchill arguably saved Western civilization at one point.
Trump is he's a good looking guy, and he's actually thinned down in the second term.
But you know, he's he's been uh a bigger guy in his life, and I he's the man, you know, he's sorry.
Trump is the only politician I've ever seen in my lifetime, age in reverse.
The guy looks better to be a good one.
I know.
He's like thinner.
That was one way I knew after the first term.
I knew he was running again and he was gonna win, is he was getting fitter.
He got the glow out of it.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, oh man, this guy is in for it, man.
Yeah.
But so you think, okay, Trump, especially, uh, is at least he's just like a big guy.
He's like 6'3 or something, you know.
Uh Churchill was a bit rotund.
Who else?
Henry Henry VIII, not my favorite figure in history, but you know, he was a he was a warrior, no doubt about it.
He was a big fatty.
I mean, he was like a little English meatball, you know, big English meatball.
So, yeah, of course you can.
Although I would say it's probably not ideal.
Like ultimately, especially from a religious perspective, take care of your own house, take care of yourself, and then take care of society at large.
Yeah, that's true.
And and gluttony is a sin.
And but you know, gluttony cuts two ways, too.
There's like the Henry VIII version of gluttony, like big fatties.
But then there's the if you're obsessive about food and you're like an Ozempic addict or something, that's also a form of gluttony.
That's fascinating to picking up.
Would you argue that the Ozempic craze we're seeing right now is actually like a cultural sin of gluttony?
Yeah, for sure.
Because it's uh it's not, you know, a virtu uh a virtue is is a mean in between two extremes.
And so the extreme of being like a big fatty, you know, just stuffing donuts in your face all the time, is is balanced out by the extreme of being a narcissist, you know, vain person in the mirror trying to suck down another pound.
You what you want to be, which you want to be, Davies, is delightfully unconcerned about your weight and yet still not go over the top.
You fat jerk.
So saucy today.
You know, I got called in for jury duty.
I didn't sleep that well.
I woke and now I'm drinking.
How'd you get out of it?
I had so many good lines prepared.
I had some stuff that was saucy but wouldn't get me in actual serious trouble.
But it was enough to like a I was gonna make a robust defense of prejudice.
Ah, nothing.
I had a good one too.
And then I was uh I was going to talk about how I presume that anyone whose case is brought to trial is guilty because of statistics, and I had all this stuff.
And then they did because they had a thing of what's your name?
What do you do?
Yeah, naturally.
And so you say I'm Michael Knowles, I'm Michael right wing provocator fascist.
I don't know.
No, I didn't.
I said I'm like a right-wing talk show host.
And uh they didn't even call me up to interview me.
Naturally.
That doesn't surprise me.
But anyway, that's why I'm salty.
And then Ben just a finger in the wound.
Called you fat.
Yeah.
That's brutal.
Called me fat.
Whoa.
That was providential.
You know, Davies, for all the smack I talk about him, he's he's good at ordering.
He thinks ahead.
Isempic.
Whoa, that's weird, actually.
That's weird.
I have not seen these questions.
Is Ozempic the new lobotomy and possibly satanic because it removes healthy bodily function without requiring self-control.
Wow.
That is one to ponder.
Possibly satanic.
Possibly satanic.
I think you're faking me out.
You could say yes to the side.
I said yes.
I'm gonna bite on this.
I'm gonna bite on this one.
If we can argue that gluttony is a sin, which is a very grave, grave sin.
Yeah.
Ozempic is essentially the easy way out.
It's saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my own actions.
Wow.
You're right.
I've never thought about it in that context, but that is interesting to that argument.
You're not saying it's satanic, like you know, the devil whispering in your ear exact exactly.
You're saying it's satanic because it's about a vice.
Yes, quite literally, it is normalizing vice.
The number of videos I've seen, TikTok, by the way, has saved my life, postpartum, like the number of times at 2 a.m.
I've Googled, is this normal and it pulls up a TikTok video?
Thank God.
Uh but the number of videos I am constantly fed from other new moms saying, when did you guys finally quit breastfeeding so you could just start Ozempic?
When when can I start Ozempic?
As soon as I can, let's start Ozempac.
You can't breastfeed on Ozempic.
No, naturally, because you're literally destroying your own body.
You don't want to destroy your baby's capacity to digest food too.
But it is a serious health concern already.
People are coming in with like paralyzed stomachs, and their body becomes insulin resistant forever.
It's very, very complicated.
What's happening long-term health effects that we have no research on and no idea already.
But I wonder how much of that's gonna impact young women in particular because this is being so hyper messaged to young moms, to young college students, like just come on OZEMPIC.
It's no big deal.
Wow.
And you can tell every time.
I call it Ozempic face.
Yeah.
You can tell.
Oh it's I'm so innocent when it comes to these things.
Like even Botox, it's hard for me to tell when people get I have friends who I later found out they get shot up with Bowtie.
And I even I look at them, they're like, you know, and I I don't even say something that's different.
Thank you, yeah.
Dig a suntan or I that's kind of my thought.
The idea that people would do this stuff, because I think I don't I've forbidden my wife to ever get any cosmetic.
Not that she wanted to, but but I I've totally forbade her from getting any cosmetic surgery.
Because I think, look, you're you know, you're like a little hottie now.
So what's a best case scenario, what's gonna happen is you're just gonna be like, you're gonna be you.
You're gonna be like your beautiful self, but it's gonna be like or they've got the lips that blow up to three times or size.
I'm not a lip filler fan by any means.
Okay, I'm so glad you said this because I actually was talking about this with my followers a couple of weeks ago, and everyone was trying to make the argument that this is all for the female gaze, that women do this for other women, and that men actually hate every single one of these procedures.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Confirmed.
Confirmed, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I the the furthest I'll go, even lipstick is mostly for other women.
I kind of like a little touch of red lipstick.
I think it's uh elegant.
But almost all of this is for other women.
Yeah.
And the fascinating I hate, I don't want to make fun of it.
I feel bad for the women who have done this, but if you haven't done it, don't do it ever.
I've never seen a workout.
Well, and it's not moves around.
Like if you get filler, it migrates to parts of your body.
Actually, it's hugely concerning.
Yeah.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Ladies, ladies.
If you've this is a public service note.
If you feel like you don't like how you look or you're whatever, put the cupcake down, do whatever you gotta do, go get your hair done.
I don't know.
But all this stuff, the poke and the prod and you poisoning yourself, putting botulism in your head, and just it's okay.
You're beautiful, you're beautiful just the way you are.
Amen.
Beautiful, you know.
And apparently it's satanic now, which I've I'm actually gonna go reflect on that for a long period of time.
You know, people who have way too much cosmetic surgery do start to look like the like the Baphomet or something.
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Is he?
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I'm a scientist.
What is even meant by that?
Like you're pilled on the moon landing, you're pillowing that it didn't happen.
He's pilled that it maybe didn't go.
He wants the conspiracy pack so bad.
In fact, he literally said to me as I was headed out the door this morning, make sure Michael hands it to you.
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It's time.
It's time.
I didn't even realize it was already time.
The rapid fire.
The rapid fire.
Ooh.
You see that?
Nice.
How do you like that?
I'm ready.
So you get three questions.
Mm-hmm.
30 seconds.
No time to outthink the other one.
I can still come back.
That's not.
It's possible.
It's not totally over.
Okay.
Ready?
Michael.
Yes.
playing video games a bigger red flag than watching anime Wrong.
It's a red flag, but it's not as big a red flag as anime.
Oh, we need to talk about anime.
This would be a good conversation.
Is birth control worse for you than nicotine?
Yeah, for sure, obviously.
Throw it away, everybody.
Would you, Michael, side with the Empire over the Rebels in the original Star Wars?
*Sings*
You wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
I would not.
It's like a it's like a cute thing.
It's a cute thing of like, well, there were the established power, and you know, these were crazy rebels.
But you know You're a limited government guy at heart.
I'm well, keeping government within its proper limits.
So you can blow up a planet if you have to.
I'm not opposed to that.
But but it uh you know it doesn't that's not an excuse for tyranny.
St. Thomas Aquinas, you know, uh uh even provides an opportunity for revolution.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
The greatest of all theologians.
Yes.
I love that.
Yeah, yeah.
He's laughing right now at that.
Okay.
Are you hey, hold on.
What was the first thing about anime?
Anime.
Well, you've Do you have a favorite anime?
Oh, yeah.
I love the fourth one.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I remember Pokemon.
That's an anime.
Yeah, exactly.
That's an anime.
I remember that because.
Yeah, yeah.
Are you into it?
I've been getting slowly into it over the past few years.
I've watched a handful.
I will say, as a standalone show, Attack on Titan is mind-blowingly good.
It might be one of the best TV shows ever.
For an adult or kid.
Both, although it's pretty intense, so I would start it for like maybe a teenager.
Okay.
Max of the young age, but for adults, it's a fascinating show.
And it speaks to, you know, tyranny and the plight of people when they're in situations where they need to overthrow people.
I mean, it's it's very good.
It's very good.
That's all.
You do you think do you like other cartoons that are not anime?
Yeah, I like cartoons.
Like Family Guy or something.
Yeah.
I never really got into Family Guy, and now it feels like late to get into it.
South Park was a staple growing up in the mountains of Colorado.
South Park, Colorado is very close to where I grew up, actually.
They always feature Casa Bonita.
What a time.
No, do they try to do it?
Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah.
Would you if you were single?
Yep.
And you found out a guy were like really into anime.
Like freakishly into it.
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I suppose that you're speaking in degrees.
I'm saying in a binding.
Into it, period.
Would you rather you told you're gonna go on a blind date with a guy, and that you got some giga chat who doesn't watch anime and you got some guy who does watch anime, which are you more excited for?
Well, I think you're limiting yourself that the giga chat may watch anime, to be honest.
Two giga chats watch anime.
I think so.
Yeah, it's becoming a very mainstream thing in the West.
I mean, you have to keep in mind this is still relatively new-ish to our culture, without the exceptions of Pokemon and Avatar the Last Airbender.
But I think anime has the future to be very, very compelling in that the content of the shows themselves are still based in traditional masculinity and heroism and doing the right thing when it's difficult and overthrowing tyrannical powers.
Most of our Americanized Hollywood shows are just garbage.
So why okay at this point?
Okay, I see that.
But why is that stuff?
What is it about anime that makes it better?
I don't think it has to be animated versus live action.
I mean, they're even turning anime shows into live action right now.
Although they're butchering it.
There was a live action rendition of Avatar the Last Airbender that came out, and we were all so hopeful for it, and then they literally destroyed all of the characters.
But it's just like the concept of the show.
So this is the meat, the meat of it more than the presentation.
This is my question, because now it's sort of like Baudrillard hyper-reality.
Like you're getting so divorced from the thing.
If anime is not essentially about animation, if you can have a live action anime, then then my this is my confusion on anime.
Okay, I'm fair.
I'm not there.
I'm not like a rote um hater of anime.
Well, and I wouldn't call myself the expert either.
I'm just an interested man.
Well, my question is if we have this world where anime can be live action, then what is anime?
Well, it is still animated with CGI and special effects.
It's just like the little actor version, but it still requires I mean you can't have a flying sky buffalo in real life.
Okay, so it has to be, you have to have flying, like what that's basically my question.
There is a fantasy element, I think, associated with all of the best anime shows that I've really enjoyed.
And look, also anime is a category of literally tens of thousands of different shows.
So I'm very being very categorical.
So it but the anime, it doesn't have to come out of Japan.
It doesn't have to be strictly speaking animated.
It does have to have flying water buffaloes.
Naturally.
Why?
And it's it's new, it's gaining audience.
But so if you had to say, give me one sentence, what distinguishes anime from other shows?
The storytelling and the plot.
What about it?
There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling.
Whereas I feel like most American produced television shows and movie adaptations and all of that miss the plot in the entirely at this point.
Yeah, family guy, there's no journey.
There's no journey.
But even the like book adaptations that we're seeing now, they cut so much of the plot out.
It's all about the substance and the flash and the random gay, non-binary character that somehow is the whole front of the show now.
I don't see that in anime.
It doesn't exist.
Oh god.
It's about the the beauty of the city.
What if a guy, so you're told uh you gotta answer your question.
Well, no, that, and and then the second part, which is you got you're told you can go on a date.
Is it one guy, giga chad, doesn't play video games, other guy does play video games.
Which date are you more excited for?
More excited for it?
Well, I'm married.
You're married less.
He is a gamer, although within moderation, right?
He doesn't like sit there in the basement and 7365.
Yeah, I my whole point on this question is I've found many more normal guys will play the occasional video game.
Yeah.
I've been known to dabble in the occasional Hogwarts legacy stint.
Yeah.
Wow, okay.
But that's the Harry Potter effects you thought it would be.
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All right, rapid fire.
Now the rapid fire, you're up.
We're being very rapid.
I'm up.
Okay.
Are we living in the end times?
Mmm.
How is that a rapid fire question?
Yes or no?
You're gonna say no.
No, I don't think we are.
No.
Someone's gonna be.
Every generation has always said that.
Hasick culture warped Gen Z women's perspective on dating?
You're gonna say yes.
Yep.
Yes.
Is there any circumstance in which a wife should have the final say over her husband?
Oh my gosh, you guys are trying to get me in trouble.
Is there any circumstance?
in which wife should have the final say over her husband.
I think you're gonna say.
I think you're gonna say no.
Yes.
You said yes.
Okay.
What's the surgery?
With some nuance, and I'm sure all the intern trolls are gonna come for me on that one.
No, I think if you're if your family is being led into grave sin, you have an opportunity and an obligation as the wife to gently guide your family in the other direction.
Yeah, yeah.
Is there any circumstance?
So you're basically saying God has the final say.
Yeah, ultimately.
And I actually think God gave women unique intuitive capabilities that men don't have, right?
We read body language much differently.
I think we can assess the emotional impact of a situation much differently.
Uh but there's a reason women have gut feelings, and usually they're right.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh one of my family's favorite movies growing up of all time is My Big Fat Greek Wedding, a cultural.
I actually I never saw it, but I remember there's a great line that we quote all the time.
The man is the head of the house, but the woman is the neck.
And she can turn the head any way she wants.
Well, this is the old observation the the hand that rocks the cradles, the hand that makes the world.
Exactly.
But now to clarify, even though I yeah, I was debating do I in some circumstance where the husband is like, hey, we're gonna be Satanists now, you know, then you're not gonna listen to this.
Of course.
But barring grave mortal sin.
Barring the husband trying to lead the family into grave mortal sin.
Is there any other circumstance?
You know, moving homes.
I mean, it's so hard to dictate that.
My family is new, obviously.
I've been married a little over a year.
We are brand new parents, so we're very much learning on the job, and I wouldn't proclaim myself to be a marital or parenting expert by any means.
Generally speaking, I think the man has the obligation to be the head of the house.
That's how it was designed.
A lot of the time he doesn't even want to be.
A lot of the time he doesn't want to be.
And sometimes you have to kick him in the butt to say, get up, you gotta do this for our family.
But um, it's that distortion that I think has really eroded masculinity in such really devastating ways in our society and why women have the ick factor to bring things together.
Yes, no, I think you're right, because you're you're obviously right.
If a man, I and I do think it's basically that's the only circumstance, which is if a man is leading your family into grave mortal sin, you you have an obligation to say, like, no, no, no, you know, uh uh uh the king's loyal subject, but God's first.
Um but uh short of that, yeah, the guy's the head of the household, and the husband rather is the head of the household.
And a lot of the time, Alisa said this to me the other day.
We're debating whatever the subject was.
And uh, I don't know, what do you want to do?
Ah, what do you want to do?
Uh whatever you want to do, you tell me.
What do you want to do?
I mean, I think uh hey Mike, uh you're the head of the household, right?
How about you make a decision and tell me what to do, dude?
You go girl.
Yeah, and she and I was like, you're right, you're right.
I'm being a huge whim here.
Like I need, you're right.
I need to just make, I don't want to make a decision on whatever it is, like Chinese food or Indian food or whatever, but I have to.
And then, yeah, that's my job.
That's part of the deal, man.
As a woman, there is nothing more attractive than when a man has a total plan and you don't have to think about anything.
My very first date I ever went out with my husband.
He didn't ask me on the date.
We had known each other for a few days at this point, but he said we're going on a date next Friday.
And he had it all planned, and it was the coolest thing ever.
I mean, it was awesome.
Yeah, there's a lot of things.
There was no wondering, there was no like trying to secretly pull feelings out of somebody, uh, you up text or any of that.
It was just very straightforward.
Very giga chad me.
And now we're married.
That is amazing.
Yeah, yeah, that's there was like that chick.
You remember that chick who she was saying she was a lesbian and she went viral.
She goes, I went on a date with this guy, and he like just ordered me a drink and just bought it and gave it to me.
I've never seen that before.
I mean, heck, Jojo C wise straight now, so I'm just saying.
The alpha male thing is pretty interesting.
Yeah, it's back.
Okay, all right, that's good.
That's a good answer.
Now, do you know what it's time for, Isabel?
Double point round.
Is it?
I don't know.
No, I'm just reading it was in the teleprompter.
It's time for the final round.
See, I was right.
Is that double point?
I think so, based on your previous episodes.
Now I'm glad somebody watched it.
All right.
The prompt will be read.
We will both lock in our answers.
Then we move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds.
The round is worth double points.
You're right.
That was good.
It could change everything.
It could really could.
Wow.
Oh man.
You're up.
Superman should be deported.
You would say no, is what you would say.
You would say yes.
Give me my points.
We both lost?
I said yes.
You said no.
Yes, yeah, I said no.
Here's why.
Well, you you're a little lady.
You tell me your reasoning first.
Well, mainly I'm just upset with how they've handled this new rendition of the stuff.
The director of this movie should be deported.
And that's sad because I actually really like James Gunn's prior work.
I do.
I love Guardians of the Galaxy.
You don't like Guards.
It was alright.
It's a shame, unfortunately.
That guy, I don't know, you could deport him.
I don't care.
I know remember conservatives were defending him.
So he got canceled, whatever.
I don't cancel him.
I don't care.
Well, the thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the whole like immigration angle when he is a literal alien, not a illegal alien.
I don't get it.
I'm mad.
Here's my based argument for why we shouldn't deport Superman.
All right, let's hear it.
The argument is look, he's an alien, and I guess he's an illegal alien in the sense that he didn't have papers.
But he is in the American interest.
So we keep him.
Because he's in our interest.
And I I think that's how we should look at illegal immigration to some degree.
I mean, if there's someone, most of them should need to go back.
But if there's some illegal immigrant who happens to be really good for America, I'm happy to make an exception.
The sovereign is he who decides the exception.
So sure, I I'm happy to make an exception if it really serves American interests.
But even broadly on immigration policy.
Yeah.
Really the only factor that we should consider is if it serves American interests.
That is how immigration policies actually.
It's how it works all over the world right now.
Right now.
Including in our own country.
That's how it's supposed to work.
And so I think, okay, well, he serves our purposes.
Good, we keep him.
And Lex Luther, is he an immigrant?
No, he's a citizen.
I don't know.
Deport him anyway, or whatever.
You know, so it's like, I just think uh we need to be a little more the the libertarian, the really ideological conservative would say, well, no, actually, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
And if we're gonna deport a Mexican criminal, we're gonna deport Superman too.
It's like, bro, you can't tell the difference between it's uh face tattooed Mexican gangster, you know.
Mine is stemming from a place of personal frustration, but I actually think I would agree with that.
No, and I would say the synthesis of those two ideas is deport James Gunn.
There you go.
Deport James Gunn for that horrible movie that I had to say.
Where's your thumbnail?
I yeah, I hated that movie.
It's not what I hated about it was it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen.
No, like the story was actually okay.
It's fine.
It was and it was actually talk about we're talking about men and women.
There I felt the romantic plot was pretty pretty sturdy, actually.
It was it was very traditional.
It was, I believe there was a real chemistry between the two of them.
But the what was the story?
I didn't even know what the story was.
It was more like flash and substance.
Yes.
Which is what I'm saying.
We're missing the plot.
Yeah, even in the things where we have the plot to reference.
I agree.
Okay, so this is it.
This is our last chance.
Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their home country.
Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their own country.
All right.
You, Michael.
You would say You would say yes.
No.
You would say no.
Both got him wrong.
You would say yes, and I would say.
You said no.
Interesting.
Why?
Here's why.
Because I should have I should have said yes.
I'm just too tired.
For you, I should have said yes.
I uh then I would have won, and that would have been so good.
Oh here's why.
Uh yes, obviously we have a loyalty to the Vatican, uh, which in principle could have some conflict, but not necessarily because the Vatican and national loyalty to America are not loyalties of the same kind.
Well, I would agree with that.
So it however, the the reason this question is raised is because people go after the Jews and they say the Jews have dual loyalty to America and to the state of Israel.
And uh that's true, actually.
But you'd say, well, Catholics have if if the United States went to war with the Vatican.
No, but I think it's a completely separate frame of reference.
It's it's not apples to apples.
It's not apples to apples.
And and the hard thing, the funny thing is there are plenty of Jews who actually hate the state of Israel and they have no loyalty to it at all.
They should have more loyalty to it than the people.
I know believe it or not.
But but it it's it's a hard thing because for the Jews, there is a tribal identity, which uh uh uh which is real.
You know, I think I think that's like good.
The Jew haters say like that's really bad.
I think there's something actually kind of admirable about that.
Um but it's why these accusations come up throughout the ages and often become very ugly and nasty.
Uh and there is a similarity with the Catholics, which is I think why Catholics can understand that better than other groups.
Uh but the but the similarity is imperfect because of all, we haven't had the papal states in 140 years or something like that.
Um but also uh even when we had the Papal States, you weren't a citizen of the Papal States.
You know, you were a citizen of your own country.
Because nationalism is relatively new.
Nationalism comes up with the piece of Westphalia and the Treaty of Augsburg, and and uh it's kind of relatively recent.
So it's not but I mean, this is where I would have to defend our uh our super Zionist Jewish friends uh against the modern nation-state type people is you you could ask one of them, this if the US went to war with Israel, who would you side with?
If you claim loyalty to two nation states, you have a problem.
Yeah.
I mean, even if you're a you could be a British citizen, if America goes to war with Britain, they you have a problem if you're a dual citizen.
I don't have citizenship at the Vatican.
True.
But if the United States, if they reconstituted the Papal Zuaves, and the United States went to war, uh Pope Pius the Thirteenth, you know, i is invading the Holy Land and Syria and reconstituting.
We're getting Baldwin and the U.S. declares war on him, you you and I would have a problem, wouldn't we?
Yes, we would.
I think the way that this question is phrased is important because obviously we are not legal citizens of the Holy See.
I think if the question had been phrased as the Holy See instead of the Vatican, I may have answered differently.
But it's been fascinating for me.
I'm getting my master's in theology right now because I can't help myself, I get bored too easily.
Thank you.
And it's been really fascinating this last year or so, spending time sitting with and contemplating the role of nationalism and your identity to your country as a citizen versus your willingness to obey the Pope and obey the Vatican, and that's what your ultimate obligation is during this lifetime, because ultimately the United States of America doesn't exist after we die, heaven does, and that's the role of the church is to get us there and try to bring as many people there with us as possible.
So I've even been playing around with learning more about the the sin of Americanism, and that's yeah, the heresy.
That's a conversation that people aren't really ready to have, I think, in our country, but we do need to have it because ultimately our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ's law.
So you're fully you're bonifice-pilled.
I mean, you are like the church has both keys, both uh both swords.
Well, look, you can ask a gazillion different apocalyptic scholars, and almost every one of them will tell you the United States doesn't exist at the end times, more likely than not.
So I love my country.
I am a diehard red-blooded American.
Your girl wore a MAGA hat on the cover of Newsweek magazine in college.
Okay, like I I will always defend our country, and I think it's important for us to continue doing that.
Until ultimately, my obligation is to God and to Christ.
And so my loyalty would also have to lie with the Vatican from the religious spiritual sense, although I'm not a citizen of Vatican City or the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, yeah.
This is where I find myself, as is often the case, in the in the Dante position.
Dante Dante, he always comes up.
Dante was a member of the Guelph Party, which was the pro-Pope party, fighting against the pro-empire party.
Because there are two parties, the temporal power is the empire and the spiritual power was the Pope.
The Pope also had a lot of temporal power and claimed temporal power to himself.
Uh Dante was part of the pro-Pope Party, but he was part of the faction of the pro-Pope party that was pro-empire.
So he was sort of like a rhino.
Yeah.
Dante was like the rhino of medieval Tusc of Tuscany and Florence, yeah.
And but he had this view.
He said, look, the the really hardcore pro-Pope Party.
Forget about your allegiance to the Empire, it's just to the Pope.
They they would say, well, the uh ultimately we control everything.
And we the Empire derives its power from us.
And what Dante would argue, and the pro-empire party would say is, no, no, actually, the Empire predates the church.
And actually the church is born within the Empire.
And actually, in the fullness of time, Christ is born within the Roman Empire.
And because the Empire claimed jurisdiction over the world and executes him according to the civil law, which is why it's a sacrifice for the entire world.
So I I mean, I think it is a a matter of natural virtue to love your country.
Oh of course.
I think patriotism is an extension of Philip Pite.
And Christ could probably say the same, right?
You're supposed to obey the laws of your country.
You're supposed to give to Caesar's.
Yes, yes.
Yes.
And so the only real, I think, synthesis here is we need America to be a confessional state, right?
Is that anybody?
I think we lost.
I got destroyed.
That's brutal.
It was brutal.
Uh that's a beat down.
What you can do in the meantime, as I drink away my suffering.
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Now I love that clip.
Thank you, thank you.
Uh someone criticizes this.
When I when this was announced, I promoted it.
I said, uh, this is great stuff, thumbs up, everything.
And someone said, that's set.
Hold on, hold on, bring that back.
Bring back the yes, there it is.
The So I was told on the internet when I was endorsing your coming over, I was told that it's giving live, laugh, love.
My argument was this.
My argument was that live, laugh, love, much like the paintings of Thomas Kincaid, the painter of light, is not uh liberal kitsch, but is instead at a deeper level, uh deeply subversive counter-cultural right-wing stuff, because it elevates bourgeois morality, which the radicals of the left hate.
W uh what it would be.
I might make the counter-argument.
I I would say there is very obvious subversive right-wing extremism messaging here.
We've got Star Wars paraphernalia all over a fighting back.
We've got a stormtrooper with a cactus growing out of his head.
Oh, okay.
And R2 D2 over there.
We've got Napoleon dynamite, easy comedy reminding you it's okay to laugh.
Of course, the Eucharist and Mother Mary.
Oh, yes.
Is that our St. Joan of Arc?
Okay, wow, I The National Parks, Cowgirls, the whole nine.
So that's good.
They may think it's live, laugh, love, but the longer they look at it.
What does that say?
Wow, I didn't eat I didn't notice the Eucharist and the Monstrance.
I didn't notice our lady, I didn't.
What is the thing at the top left there?
It's uh something we're by grace I've been redeemed, by grace I've been restored.
Wow.
And is there a saint there?
That is St. Joan of Arc, yes.
That's Joan of Arc.
Okay, yeah.
It says I'm not afraid I was born to do this.
Wow.
Ooh, that's nice.
Why is it, you know, I love this, even though I'm an old man now, I feel spiritually assumer.
And we accept you.
You can be a refugee.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
Why is it that the zoomers are like the millennials are kind of cringe and and liberal, like classically liberal or whatever.
And the zoomers are classical, hardcore, common good.
Yeah.
And the millennials are like, uh we can't know if God exists.
Ugh, like we can't.
And the zoomers are like, God, like you will submit to the Roman pontiff.
Why why is that?
That's true.
That's true?
I honestly think it was bred out of necessity because things just got so out of control that we crave tradition, we crave structure, we crave a tether to something that is foundational and doesn't change with the whims of day to day.
Um and that's why Catholicism in particular is so appealing to Gen Z ears, because this is something that largely hasn't changed for 2,000 years.
We can draw a straight line backwards in history and the classical liturgy and the substance of the Eucharist and reading the church fathers is like all any Zuber wants to talk about right now.
Because your alternative is the sparkle creed in the Lutheran church in Minnesota, real thing.
Is there where were you Lutheran?
No, I wasn't.
I just happened to react to a video literally reciting the spark of the city.
When I bring this up though, with like the priestesses or whatever, I have these guys write in that say, hey Michael, I'm a Lutheran.
We I disavow.
I disavow.
There are two sects of Lutheranism, I will say, so the crazier one, we'll be honest.
But it's it's disheartening when I'm in Washington, D.C. where I live, and I walk into the National Cathedral and there's literally a stained glass window of like BLM because the Episcopal South Lost.
I was there.
Were you you were there at the National Prayer Service?
I wasn't, no.
You were not there.
So it was I was there.
And it was I was sitting pretty close.
I wish I was there because I would have had some great facial expressions for the media to pick up.
I was sitting right ahead of uh Pasobic was there, and a lot there were a bunch of us, and we were sitting, you know, on the left side, and then in the center, right there was Trump and Vance and those guys.
And so we're sitting we're sitting here.
Trump and Vance are sitting here.
The bishopress lady was here.
So we're right in the line.
We can see the line, right.
And I remember when when that lady was going off on, you know, the poor aggrieved uh homosexual Apache or whatever.
It was this amazing moment where they're like, oh, it's going down.
Okay, great.
Why is this of course the National Cathedral too?
You talk about the heresy of Americanism and the error of liberalism, the sin.
Frankly, the sin of liberalism.
Every wife knows exactly what Usha Vance was thinking in that moment.
Shut up, do not make a fan.
Grab the grab the thigh.
Isabel, congratulations on your win.
Thank you, Michael.
I'm so glad you're here at Daily Wire now.
I'm so excited.
I'm glad that you watched this episode of Yes or No.
