Ep. 1815 - JD Vance Takes On Left-Wing Terror After Charlie Kirk Assassination
The Vice President hosts the Charlie Kirk Show, major new developments in the investigation into the shooter, and a prominent left-wing streamer calls for more conservatives to fear for their lives.
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There are new developments in the investigation into Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, all important.
We will get to them.
But perhaps even more important, there are new developments in the right's political response to the national trauma as no less a figure than the vice president filled in to host his friend's radio show from the White House and inform the nation of the concrete actions being taken to dismantle left-wing terror.
I'm Michael Knowles.
This is The Michael Knowles Show.
Welcome back to the show.
A lot of new developments here suggesting that perhaps this assassination was just was not just one guy planning and acting alone.
Maybe more people knew about this.
Maybe more people were in on it.
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I thought this was a beautiful gesture because JD Vance and Charlie Kirk were very, very close.
I thought it was a beautiful gesture at a personal level, politically.
I thought this was a very, very important gesture.
Because Charlie, you have to remember, did about a million things.
He was organizing on campuses.
He was hosting debates.
He was giving speeches.
He was writing books.
He was hosting a radio show and podcast.
He was advising the government.
He was, he did all of these things.
No one person is going to be able to fill those shoes.
Probably three people could not fill those shoes.
And so all of these projects that Charlie was running need to continue.
The organizations want them to continue.
America needs them to continue.
And so I thought it was a great consolation and a real message of strength and unity that the vice president came in and said, okay, if if we're going to need people to host Charlie Kirk's show for the foreseeable future, if we're going to have a rotating band of friends of Charlie's coming in to host the show, I'll kick it off.
And uh not only was it a beautiful gesture, what he said substantively, I think was really important because the shock has worn off at this point, mostly worn off.
We're still in a period of mourning.
The funeral will be this weekend.
Uh, but but we're also beginning to think politically again, practically.
What concrete actions will the government do to make sure that this will never happen again?
Because asking asking the left nicely doesn't seem to work.
And we will get to even more hideous responses from the left and the concrete actions that the right can take in response even to those in a moment.
Here is what the vice president had to say, along with White House advisor, deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller.
We're going to go after the NGO network that foments facilitates and engages in violence.
That's not okay.
We are going to channel all of the anger That we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks.
This is the key because the assassination of Charlie Kirk was not a one-off event that involves a single person.
That I think is what we've all understood over this past week.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was reportedly foretold on social media.
There are companies that run those social media platforms.
There were other people who may have known about that.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was dismissed and minimized, at least in our elite media.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was defended in some cases in the elite media, in some cases by ordinary normies on social media.
The left-wing organizations that have targeted Kirk over the years, or just even take a step out and look at the broader left-wing violence against the right, that violence often occurs within the context of organizations, notably Antifa, which has attacked many of us over the years violently in the attempt to injure or kill people.
And so it's organized, is the conclusion.
It's not just one person.
It's not just one lunatic.
It is organized.
It is like organized crime.
It is literally organized crime, I should say.
And so if you're going to stop the threat, if you're going to bring any modicum of justice, you need to treat it as what it is, which is organized crime.
And you need to use the tools that prosecutors and authorities have used for decades to dismantle organized crime.
Groups like the mob, groups like criminal gangs and cartels, groups like the Ku Klux Klan, groups that act as groups and organizations.
Right off the top tells you that the vice president and the deputy chief of staff are taking this seriously.
They understand the issue for what it is.
Then the vice president gets personal.
This is personal for a lot of us.
And I don't even just mean that Charlie's assassination is personal for his personal friends.
It feels personal to millions and millions of Americans who grew up watching his videos, who think of him like an older brother, like a teacher, like a family member, who have an intimate relationship with him because he was at the very least in their ears on his podcast that JD Vance is now hosting, or on their phones, on the TikTok clips of him graciously debating people.
It feels very, very personal.
And the attacks from the left feel very, very personal too.
And they are very, very personal.
J.D. Vance recounted a story.
He's with his children.
And the left not only attacks him in the media, on social media, from a distance, in an opinion column, doesn't even just attack him when he's walking around in public in the street.
They start yelling at the kids.
My wife and I decided to take our kids to Disneyland one weekend.
But there was a loud and very cool minority that would shout at my children who are eight, five, and three whenever they got the opportunity.
After Charlie died, one of his friends and one of our senior White House staffers had left-leaning operatives in his neighborhood passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and where he lived, encouraging neighbors to harass him, or God forbid to do worse.
While he was mourning his dead friend, he and his wife had to worry about the political terrorists drawing a big target on the home he shares with his young children.
it is not possible to have a society with such people.
I'm not saying that we need to banish all of them to St. Helena.
Some of them we probably should.
But I'm saying that we need to correct their behavior by any just and legal means.
We will not tolerate people coming up to the children of public figures and shrieking at them on the street.
There's nothing conservative about tolerating that.
There's nothing American about tolerating that.
There's nothing civilized about tolerating that.
And we've had enough.
We've had enough of that, and that will stop.
It's a personal touch to a broader political issue.
But really, one cannot separate the two.
This is something in a way that the feminists of the 1970s got correct.
Or maybe it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
They used to chant the personal is the political.
And they they chanted this slogan as a way to do the opposite of what J.D. Vance is attempting to do.
But I suppose the observation is the same.
They said you need to get personal.
You need to get up in people's faces.
You need to scream at people's kids.
You need to disrupt every aspect of their life.
You need to dox people.
You need to harass them.
You need to make them fear for their lives in their home.
We need to make the personal, the political feel more personal.
Well, I you succeeded.
But we can't have a society that way.
You can't have a society if you can't if you don't think you can take your kids to Disneyland.
You're not, you can't have a society if you don't feel that you can be safe in your own home in your own neighborhood.
And so the conditions that have led to this moment of particular degradation, those conditions need to be corrected.
And they need to be corrected by the civil society and where possible, where legal, where appropriate, they need to be corrected by the government with great force.
How do we do that?
How do we set these kinds of limits?
The vice president addresses that directly as well.
We'll talk about that in one second.
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How do we live together?
That's the question on everyone's mind.
At least everyone on the right.
People on the left, I don't maybe not.
They're too busy celebrating Charlie's assassination, many of them.
But the people on the right, we have this question, which is not just uh, how do we get revenge?
I don't think a lot of people are thinking that on the right.
It's not just how do I protect myself individually.
Some more people are thinking that, but it is a broader question.
How do we live together?
How do we have a country?
And there's a shallow, glib answer that that you're hearing from the Kumbaya corner, which is well, we just need unity.
We just yeah, you don't say, wow, thanks, Sherlock.
Well, we just need how do we achieve unity?
JD addresses this head on.
There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics.
There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.
Absolutely right.
And this is the key, and this is what you have to impress to your friends on the left, uh, to liberals, but also to your friends on the right.
We want unity.
We want uh uh a place where we can discuss ideas openly in a healthy way that is conducive to truth and virtue and human flourishing.
We want that.
We want a normal country.
But the left has uh dismantled the conditions that make that possible.
We had an open marketplace of ideas, the left shot it up.
So you can say that we just need to redouble our peons to this great concept, but practically speaking, that is not going to allow you to have a society in which that concept is real.
There has to be another step.
Step one, where we are right now, degradation, confusion, uh serious political violence.
Step two, question mark, step three, unity.
Step one, where we are now, step two, question mark, step three, robust marketplace of ideas.
What's the step two?
The step two, it is clear to me, when whether we're talking about a marketplace of ideas or whether we're we're just talking about a society that is unified and moving forward together.
The step two is that we must suppress the antisocial elements and suicidal ideologies that make step three impossible.
We have to do that.
That idea is entirely in keeping with the First Amendment, it's entirely in keeping with the Constitution, it's entirely in keeping with the American tradition.
To use just the example of speech, there's a lot of speech that is not only not protected by the First Amendment, but cannot be protected by the First Amendment, because if it were, it would undermine the entire First Amendment.
You cannot protect things like fraud and have a First Amendment, because if you protect fraud, then you undermine everyone's confidence in speech.
You cannot protect direct threats.
If you protect direct threats, you will intimidate everyone from speaking.
You will undermine speech.
You cannot protect plenty of other things as well.
Obscenity, fighting words, so on and so forth.
And so if you want to defend a robust and healthy debate, you need to use the government and the mechanisms of civil society in a just and prudent way to prosecute and to ostracize the people who are undermining the thing that we want.
That's what you have to do.
When people make direct threats, as the left does regularly, you can't just sit on your hands.
You have to ruthlessly prosecute them.
When organizations are funded, there are funders to these organizations.
When they are funded, when they promote through the mass media or through social media calls to violence against conservatives or anyone else.
You need to prosecute them where it is not appropriate to prosecute.
You need to ostracize them from polite society.
In some cases, people need to lose their jobs.
There have to be real consequences to dismantle the antisocial elements who promote suicidal ideologies that undermine and preclude the entire kind of society that we want.
The kind of society that is envisioned in the framework of our Constitution and by the great men who built our country.
That's what we have to do.
Final point on JD's appearance on the Charlie Kirk Show.
And this, I think, was deeply, deeply inspiring to a lot of people.
He got down to what really matters.
What really matters?
What's it all about?
What do you believe?
Hey, what do you believe?
Let me ask you that question.
What do you believe?
I believe in freedom.
Okay, that's good.
What does that mean?
I believe in fairness.
I believe in justice.
Okay, that's all good.
I believe in America.
First line of the Godfather.
That's all good too.
But what do you really believe all the way at the bottom, the most fundamental thing?
What did Charlie Kirk believe?
I can tell you that answer with 100% certainty.
And I think you know that answer too.
And J.D. Vance gave that answer with great moral clarity and courage on the show.
Now the most important truth Charlie told is this that long ago a man, begotten, not made, came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and became man for our sake.
He was crucified under Pontius Pilate and suffered death and was buried and rose again on the third day.
Charlie believed, as I do, that all the truth he told flowed from that fundamental principle.
In all of the sadness and darkness that we've seen and continue to see over the last week and a half.
There are these little glimmers of hope because the darkness has not overcome the light.
The light shines in the darkness and still does.
The vice president of the United States speaking for his assassinated friend on this major platform, is proclaiming the Nicene Creed.
The basic statement of belief of Christians, going back to antiquity.
This is a beautiful thing.
And it calls to mind an image of a, I think it was a 13th century martyr, Christian martyr.
His name's Peter Martyr.
He was an Italian priest.
And he was assassinated.
He was assassinated by very antisocial elements, for that matter.
And this is well attested to.
When his assassin came up, he dropped an axe into his head, lopped off part of his head.
This is why you'll see Peter Martyr depicted with an axe, axe in his head.
And when he was attacked, he immediately began to recite the creed.
Credo in Unum Deum.
And it's depicted beautifully, because a legend then follows, may or may not have actually happened, that as the blood was coming from his head, he dipped his finger in it and writes on the on the ground, credo.
I believe in Latin.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only son, our Lord, and so on.
That is what Charlie basically believed.
That is what the vice president basically believes.
That is what not only the men who built our country have basically believed, but the men who built our whole civilization have believed.
That's the idea that animates the whole civilization, without which we do not have a civilization.
It does not mean that every individual who lives in this civilization has to believe that.
I know Charlie encouraged them to, relentlessly and in charity.
But that's what our civilization believes.
And if we don't believe that, if we don't allow at the very least, our public life to be inspired by that fact, we will lose the whole thing.
Because you can't reason from nothing.
You can't, you can't do math from nothing.
You need to, if you want to do math, you have to begin with certain axioms.
A equals A, A plus B equals B plus A. If you've ever taken introductory math courses, you would know that.
These are axioms.
I can't prove them.
I need to believe them in order to prove anything else.
The same is true with reason.
You can't exactly prove the basic moral precepts, the things that all people everywhere just kind of know, the natural law that's inscribed on every human heart.
You can't exactly prove them.
But if you don't believe them, you can't prove anything else.
This is what we must refamiliarize ourselves with.
This is what we must reassert.
These basic moral truths, these basic truths and moral goods that are not the uh asymptotic goal of endless debate, but are rather the axioms Without which debate is not possible.
That's what we got to do.
So important for the vice president to say this.
So fitting, given Charlie's mission, which ultimately comes down to religion, because all of our missions in this world are not merely to do things while we walk and then take a dirt nap, but they're they're aimed at the eternal.
So so important.
Everyone should take it to heart.
Everyone should believe it, or at the very least, uh, act as though you believe it.
Act in accord with the civilization that has believed it.
Now, a lot of developments have come out in the investigation into the suspect, upending some priors, uh, making this seem a little bit more organized than previously understood.
What are we learning now?
Uh the suspect apparently used Discord.
He was all over the internet, posted on all sorts of weird platforms and uh forums.
Reportedly, the suspect confessed to the murder on Discord.
Now, previously, Discord had said that Discord, this this social media platform was not used to plan the murder.
And technically that would still remain true, even if this report is correct.
Because the report is not that he he said that he was going to commit the murder beforehand, it's that he confessed afterward a couple hours before he was apprehended by the authorities.
So Discord looks a little dodgy here, looks like it's hiding something maybe, but not that it actually lied.
What did he write?
Reportedly, he writes, hey guys, I have bad news for you all.
Uh it was me at UVU yesterday.
I'm sorry for all of this.
I'm surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments.
Thanks for all the good times and laughs.
You've all been so amazing.
Thank you for everything.
The import of this is not that we're learning something new about the character of this monster.
The import is the authorities are now looking into wider organization of this assassination.
The authorities are now looking into foreknowledge of the assassination.
And there we are finding a lot of very, very distressing clues.
Uh Aaron Siberium at the Washington Free Beacon has found a series of posts.
One says, it'd be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot on September 10th.
You can look at the date, well before the assassination.
Another post.
September 10th will be a very interesting day.
Then, after September 10th, he reposts this and he says, uh I plead the fifth.
Again, this is that that post goes all the way back to August 6th.
Could be a coincidence, maybe not a coincidence.
Third post.
Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.
I really hope someone evaporates him literally, immediately followed by, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow.
Is that just a coincidence?
Followed by Charles James Kirk, Mr. College Dropout does not know what's coming tomorrow.
Be ready.
This isn't a threat, it's a promise.
Maybe it's just all coincidences.
Whenever a conservative goes to speak at a college campus, there are threats.
That alone would seem to be a problem.
That alone would seem to be the sort of thing that the federal government needs to look into, whether we're talking about the university administration, whether we're talking about from the government or civil society the funding of the universities, whether we're talking about the student body, whether we're talking about prosecutions, sort of thing that they should look into.
I have a hard time believing these were all coincidental.
It'd be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot on September 10th.
It's pretty specific.
September 10th will be a very interesting day.
Something big will happen tomorrow.
Charlie Kirk's coming to college.
I hope he someone evaporates him literally.
Be ready.
This isn't a threat, it's a promise.
If this murder was a conspiracy, as it increasingly appears to be, if this murder was a conspiracy, we have every right and responsibility to wield the government to Dismantle the means by which the conspiracy was carried out.
This is hard for some people to understand because they're locked in a prison of liberal ideology, individualist ideology that says we can never see groups, we can only see individuals.
But human beings are social creatures.
We're the political animal.
We've known that since antiquity, since at least Aristotle.
And we act in concert with one another.
And when you want to root out problems, when you want to root out social problems, you have to look at groups and organizations and clubs and conspiracies.
And you have to be willing to wield power against them.
President Trump is apparently on board with this too.
Trump was asked in the Oval Office whether he would consider Antifa to be a terrorist organization.
Here's what he had to say.
Do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization?
Well, it's uh something I would do, yeah.
If I have support from the people back here, I think we'd start with Pam, I think, but I would if you give me uh I would do that 100%, and others also, by the way, but Antifa is terrible.
Are there other groups that you can get?
There are other groups, yeah, there are other groups.
We have some pretty radical groups, and they got away with murder.
And also uh I've been speaking to the attorney general about uh bringing RICO against some of the people that you've been reading about that have been putting up millions and millions of dollars for agitation.
This these aren't protests, these are crimes what they're doing, where they're throwing bricks at uh cars of the uh of ICE and border patrol.
Absolutely right.
Now, some people are saying, all right, uh Trump should consider Antifa to be like Trend Aragua or to be like Al Qaeda or MS 13 or something.
Would that it were so simple, because Antifa is a terrorist organization that has tried to kill many conservatives over the years.
It it does work in concert.
I I gave just the the one example of my personal interactions with them when two Antifa agents who were card-carrying members, as it were, who would show up to Antifa meetings, Antifa bookshops, who uh were caught with explosive material on their bodies walking through TSA multiple occasions, showed up with an explosive, threw it at the building when I walked on stage.
Uh I was not injured at all.
Unfortunately, a female police officer was very seriously injured.
These are terrorists.
And they they were prosecuted, or one of them was prosecuted proper, not even properly, slightly, got a got a little more than a slap on the wrist.
It's a good start, but you need more.
You need more.
But if they're American citizens, it's a different situation than if it's Osama bin Laden or something like that.
So that's the hard reality of it.
It's much more difficult to dismantle a domestic terror organization than it is to dismantle a foreign terrorist terror organization.
So how do you do it?
You can do it.
It can be done.
The tactics that should be used, at least some of the tactics that should be used, are the same tactics that activists used to dismantle the Ku Klux Klan in the 1980s and 90s.
We have a playbook for it.
The way that you could begin is by using civil suits, as the groups did against the Ku Klux Klan in the 80s, and also by infiltrating and charging these terrorists with conspiracy, as federal agents did against the KKK in the 90s.
You can do it.
It's happened before.
There doesn't appear to be much appetite for this or concern when it involves a left-wing terror group.
but there should be.
These guys are not playing around.
And the elite media deny that Antifa even exists.
And when they're not denying that Antifa exists, they're promoting it.
Say anti-fascist, that's like General Patton and WW2, isn't it?
We hate fascists.
And implicitly, that's why we have to support a terrorist organization that tries to murder conservatives for having open dialogue on a college campus.
The reaction needs to have teeth.
I'm confident listening to the vice president yesterday, listening to Stephen Miller yesterday, listening to the president yesterday, that it will.
But people respond to incentives.
And authority is real.
And politics requires concrete actions.
That's what needs to be taking place.
I'll give you a good place to start.
There is a left-wing streamer who goes by the name of Destiny.
His real name is Stephen Bunnell.
After Charlie Kirk's assassination, Stephen Bunnell called for conservatives to fear for their lives more often.
We'll get to that momentarily first.
My favorite comment yesterday is from Vinnie Durham, 8964.
He says, for argument's sake, let's say the fool who murdered Charlie Kirk was a right-winger.
Who are the ones celebrating his death?
I think this is what really drives it home politically for most Americans.
I, I said from the beginning, I said, look, all of the evidence points to this guy being a radical leftist, all of the evidence, up to and including his transgender furry boyfriend, but a lot of other stuff too.
It all points to him being on the left.
But let's just say that there's a .1% chance the guy's on the right.
It could be, or that his ideology is incoherent or whatever.
That would have mattered, if not for one fact, which is that the entire left dismissed justified and celebrated Charlie's assassination.
From the elite media all the way down to your cousins and neighbors and co-workers on Facebook.
That's the problem.
I'm not saying every single person, there were respectful statements put out by some prominent Democrat politicians.
There were dismissive statements made by some Democrat politicians.
Broadly speaking, it's pretty clear to me, the whole left excused and celebrated this.
So it actually doesn't matter.
The guy could be a guy could be a fascist.
I don't know.
It actually wouldn't.
That wouldn't change the political calculation now.
Because one side celebrates the murder of the other side, and it doesn't go in the opposite direction.
Case in point, Stephen Bonnell, who had this to say after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Nope, not exactly like you need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature.
The issue is right now, they don't feel like there's any fear.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's like memes.
It's just memes to everybody, I guess.
I don't know, bro.
I don't know.
I don't care.
I'm playing video games.
Okay.
I'm done today.
I don't give a f God.
It's gonna be so fing gay if I get killed in the next two months of shit.
I'm doing while the c out here, please don't anybody make any actual the most weak ass bullshit speeches on my side.
God, if it happens, holy I'm gonna make a death note before I go out to go live and not God, it's so it's so optics.
Hard to make sense of what he's saying.
The first part is clear enough, though.
He says conservatives need to fear for their lives when they go out to go do events.
You need to make them fear for their lives.
You need to you need to make them think you're gonna murder them.
So, look, he obviously should be prosecuted.
That is not protected speech.
That's an incitement to violence.
Clear as day, Stephen Bonnell should be prosecuted.
He should spend a long time in prison for that.
No question.
But more broadly, these people should not be permitted in public.
They should not be permitted in clubs.
They should be fired from their workplaces if they say things like this.
They should be ostracized from all of polite society.
Not so that we can shrink the acceptable discourse.
It's quite the opposite.
What he is saying is, you need to threaten to murder conservatives so that they shut their mouths so that we don't have to deal with their open marketplace of ideas.
What he is articulating is, as Chesterton calls it, the thought that stops thought.
That is a thought that urgently must be stopped.
In order to have the goods and the kind of society that people claim that they want.
He's not the only one.
There's another prominent left-wing streamer, Hassan, something or other, biker, Hassan Piker.
Here's an example just from last year.
Tom Cotton posted something on Twitter.
Hassan Piker responds with a diagram of how to make the gun, the homemade gun that killed uh Shinzo Abe in Japan, the prime minister of Japan.
An obvious threat, a call to action to murder a sitting Republican senator.
He should be prosecuted.
Hassan Piker should be prosecuted.
The government needs to come in and bring the force of actual government authority down and punish him for breaking the law.
If the government does not do that, you'll get more of this.
You'll get more threats against conservatives.
You will very likely get more injuries and murders of conservatives.
You will shrink the vaunted marketplace of ideas.
You will undermine all of society.
Furthermore, any organization that hosts that person should be vigorously investigated, should be shunned from polite society.
If it receives any federal funding, that funding should be cut off.
These people need to be ostracized.
They, their behavior is cancerous to society.
And we've been kind of nice and squishy about it in the past.
And we've been, we've been just giving them the grace of, well, just one more chance, just one more chance.
They can't really believe what they're saying.
They don't really mean it.
They don't enough.
Enough.
We've had enough.
I've had enough.
There's a study that just came out from Ugov.
Liberals are eight times as likely as conservatives to celebrate the death of their opponents.
This just came out.
This came out after the assassination of Charlie.
Twenty-four percent of respondents who describe themselves as very liberal said it is always or usually acceptable to be happy about the death of a political figure they oppose.
Only 3% of those who describe themselves as very conservative answered that way.
A conservative reads those numbers, and we're ashamed.
We're ashamed that 3% of people who are very conservative would say, well, you know, sometimes I'm happy when my opponents die.
We're ashamed of that fact.
Twour percent of very liberal respondents.
Eight times the number.
That is extremely antisocial behavior.
That needs to be discouraged with every lawful means at our disposal.
You cannot have a society that way.
That isn't part of the free marketplace of ideas.
That isn't part of the open-minded ethos of our modern society.
Maybe I guess it is part of the open-minded ethos of our modern society.
This is what our modern society gets you.
Can't tolerate it.
Happily, firings are taking place.
Clemson University posted this yesterday.
Following an immediate and deliberate investigation into inappropriate social media content, Clemson today terminated an employee due to their social media posts.
After being notified on Friday to stay out of the classroom, two faculty members now have been removed from their teaching duties pending investigation for termination.
The university will continue to follow required processes with urgency.
As these are personnel matters, no further details are available this time.
Clemson's commitment to the safety and well-being of our campus community remains our top priority.
Good.
That's a good start, is what I call that.
You have to do that.
You can't have a company where half of the employees think that the other half are going to try to murder them, or at the very least would encourage their murder.
Or at the very least would celebrate their murder.
You can't have a company that way.
And you can't have a society that way.
Number of teachers have made these sorts of comments, and there are too many of these to count.
But these are teachers.
These are these are people who who are in front of kids every day.
Here's one example being reported.
Far-right A-holes have a target on their backs and deserve to die, one down millions to go.
You see a lot of this kind of stuff.
All of them need to be fired, of course.
But I I want to have a little word of prudence here.
What we're talking about is a political reform for a problem that we have allowed to fester for way, way too long, a problem that has fundamentally undermined even the vaunted open marketplace of ideas and fundamentally undermined our society.
This is long overdue, and it's terribly, terribly sad and tragic that Charlie Kirk had to be assassinated for people to wake up and come to their senses.
So what we're talking about is a political reform to defend the free speech tradition as it actually exists in the United States, not some ideological nonsense that's meant to undermine the entire premise of the country.
With any political reform, it is wise to err on the side of caution.
No one wants to say, as you saw from the numbers, conservatives, we don't Want vigilante political violence.
We don't want any of that kind of stuff.
We don't want pogroms.
We don't want to over overreach.
We want action, though, and we want consequences, and we need them.
So one way to think about this is that certain industries more than others more urgently need to fire these people.
Education, you cannot have these people teaching your children.
They need to find something else to do.
They need to find a find some other way to support themselves.
Any teacher at any level of education who posts anything like this, the defense of the murder of someone for expressing his, they all need to be fired.
And there needs to be consequences for school districts that don't fire them.
Easy.
Easy one.
Healthcare, you can't, you cannot have uh a hospital operating where uh the patients think that the nurses want to murder them or the doctors want to murder them.
Healthcare, you gotta fire these people fast if they're found in healthcare.
The service industry, we can't go into a restaurant if we think that the kitchen staff or the waiters want us to be murdered, are encouraging our murder.
I can't eat the food.
Service industry, you gotta fire a lot of those people.
In other industries, it's it's less urgent.
And there are there's limited resources and there's limited time in the day.
So we need to prioritize what really matters.
We need to get on this fast.
There's so much more to talk about.
Specifically speaking of healthcare, Bobby Kennedy said something so so interesting about Charlie and his legacy yesterday on the show.
