Ep. 1773 - Science Gone Too Far: Babies Born From THREE People's DNA
A baby is born with three parents, Charlie Kirk calls on Protestants to venerate Mary, and Shane Gillis makes an Epstein joke at the ESPYS.
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Nikola Tesla is said to have warned that we will live to see horrors beyond our comprehension.
Yesterday, doctors in the UK announced the birth of eight babies, each one made in a test tube with DNA from not two, but three parents.
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I did not watch, you know, not the biggest sports guy in the world, but at the Espes, Gillis made a Jeffrey Epstein joke.
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Eight babies born in the UK after IVF using DNA from three people.
That's the headline.
And before you recoil in horror that we've now made human persons with three parents, just listen to the first paragraph.
So genetic material from mother and father transferred to healthy donor egg to reduce risk of life-threatening diseases.
Okay, well, that makes it sound really nice.
First paragraph, doctors in the UK have announced the birth of eight healthy babies after performing a groundbreaking procedure that creates IVF embryos with DNA from three people to prevent the children from inheriting incurable genetic disorders.
The mothers were all high risk for passing on life-threatening diseases to their babies due to mutations in their mitochondria, which are the tiny structures that sit inside cells and provide the power they need to function.
That's probably one thing.
If you remember anything from eighth-grade biology class, it is that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.
So anyway, this sounds really nice on the surface, and yet we all recoil in horror when we read the headline.
Why?
Why is that?
Because that's how all temptation works.
On the surface, it always sounds like a good thing.
That's why it's tempting.
On the surface, the people who give no care to bioethics are going to say, well, these moms were at risk of passing on a bad condition to their kids.
So, you know, we did this little procedure.
We just did a little scientific, advanced procedure.
And now the kids aren't going to have the genetic disorders.
What could be wrong with that?
And it only starts to look a little dark when you peer below the surface.
So for instance, you've now created human beings with more than a mommy and a daddy.
Now there's a mommy and a daddy and another mommy, I guess.
What does that do to a child's identity?
You have now exerted a very serious degree of control over the DNA, not only of that human person, but of every human being down the line.
You've exerted a godlike power over the genome, over the roadmap of the cell, over the blueprint of life for every child down the line.
Did the grandchild consent to that?
Did the great-grandchild consent to that?
Is consent even the chief moral criterion here?
How did you make the babies in the first place?
Well, you used IVF.
So through IVF, that means that you got a guy to perform a disgusting and gravely disordered and sinful action.
Then you put a woman through a very painful and seriously invasive procedure.
And then you created a bunch of babies.
And some of those babies you worked with here to inject new DNA into them, to inject them into new DNA or whatever the scientists do.
And then the rest of them you discarded or you froze in a freezer forever until you eventually ultimately discard them.
How did you do that?
Maybe you did it by selecting the sex.
Maybe you said, okay, I only want boys, I don't want girls, or I only want girls, I don't want boys.
So, you know, because I don't like girls, I'm going to kill them, or because I don't like boys, I'm going to kill them, or because I want some perfect combination, the rest of them, I'm just going to kill.
Now, because you're using the process of IVF, you could very easily implant these babies into women that are not the mothers.
And so you could be robbing them of knowing their natural mother or father.
You could be using a surrogate and then robbing the kids of the only mother they've ever really known, all for what?
So that you can reduce the risk of a child or a parent suffering.
Far from a guarantee, but just a risk.
Also that you can play God.
And so ultimately, when we get to these issues, the question has to be, would you rather live in a world made by God and controlled by God or a world in which you presume to create and control everything?
Who do you think is going to be better at playing God?
God or you?
God who is perfect and all good, you who are not.
God who knows everything, you who know basically nothing.
I know the reaction to this is going to be, Michael, you just sound like a Luddite.
You sound like you're retrograde.
You sound like you just want to let children inherit genetic disorders.
You sound like you just want to allow people to suffer and not advance in science.
No, no, no.
I'm all for scientific advancements.
I frequently say, I don't want to go back to 2012, as many so-called conservatives do.
I don't want to go back to the politics of 13 years ago to 2012.
I want to go back to the politics of 1220, but I don't want to go back to the dentistry of 1220.
I don't want to go back to everything from 1220.
I'm happy for certain scientific advancements, but they have to be ethical.
You do not have the right in the name of science or progress to violate the moral order.
No end is so good that it justifies immoral means.
And the same kind of stupid moral reasoning you're going to hear here.
Well, healthier babies is always a good thing.
It's the same argument you hear for IVF in general, which is, well, more babies is always a good thing.
I thought we were pro-life.
Any way you can make a baby, that's a good thing in my book.
Well, is it?
You can make a baby through rape.
Are you okay with rape?
No?
No, of course.
No one's okay with it.
Okay.
So then you're granting there is at least one circumstance in which you can arrive at a good end, the creation of life, the begetting of life, but through an immoral means that would be unacceptable and that would not be justified.
Well, how about the same here?
It seems so good when you, well, what?
You're against curing embryos?
You're against curing kids.
You're against reducing the likelihood that babies and parents suffer.
No, no, no, I'm not against that.
That all sounds really good.
But at what cost?
At the cost of doing something intrinsically evil with all sorts of totally predictable consequences, just some of which I've laid out here.
No.
This is the Faustian bargain.
Hey, you can get the good thing, but you got to do an evil thing.
And it doesn't pay off.
It never pays off.
But it always sounds good.
That's how it entices people.
Okay.
Speaking of babies conceived in unusual ways, really beautiful clip from my friend Charlie Kirk's show yesterday.
This was making the rounds a little bit because Charlie is quite Protestant.
He's a very prominent voice among Protestants.
He's a really prominent voice among just political conservatives generally.
But he's got a special interest in faith and Christianity.
He loves to explore matters of faith, talks to all sorts of people, talks to Catholics, mackerel snappers like me, talks to atheists.
He's a curious guy.
And he had this to say about Christianity.
But let me first say, I think we as Protestant evangelicals under-venerate Mary.
She was very important.
She was a vessel for our Lord and Savior.
I think that we as evangelicals and Protestants, we've over-corrected.
We don't talk about Mary enough.
We don't venerate her enough.
Mary was clearly important to early Christians.
There's something there.
In fact, I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution.
100%.
Have more young ladies be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times.
Mary is a phenomenal example and I think a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era.
Preach!
Pastor Charlie, preach.
I love it.
I love it.
You know, Charlie and I have talked about religion for a long time.
Now he's talked about religion with a lot of people for a long time.
And I love to hear him say this.
And actually, about a year, two or three years ago now, maybe, I was speaking to a very, very prominent evangelical, Christian, you know, Protestant pastor.
And I won't say his name because it was a private conversation.
He may have said these things publicly too.
But he said basically what Charlie said here.
He said, you know, Michael, I think evangelicals don't venerate Mary enough.
I was kind of surprised to hear this.
And he went on and gave similar explanations to what Charlie said there.
Some of the stuff Charlie's talking about is so true.
You know, Mary was obviously very important to early Christians.
This is undeniable.
You know, we have the Rylands Papyri.
These are papyri, papyrus from antiquity.
There's one, the Rylands Papyrus 470.
This is from AD 250.
This is, so you're talking about the middle of the third century, long predating even the Council of Nicaea.
And we see a prayer to Mary, referring to Mary as the mother of God, not merely trying to divide the Christ into two persons or trying to have a clean demarcation as if to say that Christ's divine nature and human nature mean that he's really two people or his divine nature is an illusion or his human nature is an illusion or any manner of ancient heresies.
No, no.
The prayer from antiquity, long before the Council of Nicaea, says, Mother of God, do not despise our petitions in adversity.
Not only acknowledging Mary as the mother of God, but also praying to Mary.
We know that Christians did this from at least the middle of the third century and certainly much earlier than that.
We also have just from scripture, you know, Luke chapter 1, hail full of grace, hail Mary full of grace.
All generations will call her blessed.
This is a special woman.
And we even have evidence of Mary as a mediatrix.
So like we have from St. Irenaeus, this is in the second century, teaching that Mary's yes, when the angel Gabriel comes down and says, you know, you're going to conceive a child.
And she says, yes, I'm the Lord's servant.
His will be done.
That this untied the knot of Eve's disobedience.
As Eve, by disobeying, became the cause of death for herself and the whole human race, so Mary, by obeying, became the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race.
The cause of salvation, that's St. Irenaeus.
St. Irenaeus is A disciple of Polycarp, who is a disciple of John the Apostle.
St. Irenaeus himself might have been a disciple of John the Apostle.
So, why do I mention all of this?
Why bring all of this theology and ancient history into this conversation of Charlie Kirk, who mostly hosts a political show because it's a sign of the times?
Okay, Charlie is, he's an unusual figure because, well, he's extremely successful.
He's effectively running the Republican Party.
He's a big figure in politics, didn't go to college, self-taught.
He's an alum of the Lincoln Fellowship at the Claremont Institute.
He's a really intellectually curious guy.
So he loves to pursue the truth as he can find it.
And he's doing what a lot of us did, even those of us who did go to college, where we say, we didn't really get a full education there.
We got to play catch up in our 20s and in our 30s.
And so he's learning things.
He's really interested in not only knowledge generally, but understanding the knowledge that formed our civilization, things that have deep roots.
And he says, you know, I came to this conclusion, Mary's actually really important.
And going all the way back to the earliest days of the church, Mary was really important and she should be important for us too.
We need to maybe return to a little bit of tradition.
We need to pay more attention to what our forebears thought.
We need to rediscover some of these forgotten truths or truths that have been forgotten, at least in certain communities.
This is, Charlie is not only in part a cause of some of the great developments we're seeing in politics, but he is a sign of the times too, because this is what's happening.
It's happening among Protestants.
It's happening among Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
It's happening among atheists even.
There is a return to faith.
The fashionable Reddit fedora-tipping atheism of the 2000s, done, deader than disco, super lame.
Christianity is hot again.
Ever ancient, ever new.
We went from 20 years ago thinking only stupid people believe in religion to thinking only stupid people are atheists because we're now rediscovering the intellectual tradition of Christianity.
We're rediscovering the liturgical aspect of Christianity.
There's a movement among conservative Protestants to retake the mainline Protestant churches, which have totally fallen into liberalism and disarray.
I don't know if that's going to work, but at least there's an impulse in that way.
There's a movement among evangelicals to dig into some of the traditions of Christianity.
And obviously, you've seen a huge uptick in conversions to Eastern Orthodoxy to some degree, and especially to Catholicism, to the oldest, most liturgical, traditional, smells and bells, ancient kind of theology.
That is a sign of the times.
And the sign is that we are here in the year of our Lord 2025.
We've just come off this high of modernity and innovation and saying, forget about the past.
And we're going to knock down statues.
And the people in the dark ages are dumb.
And we know everything.
To realizing we don't know everything.
We know actually much less than our forebears did.
We know much less than our grandparents did, for goodness sakes.
Things have fallen apart.
We don't get married anymore.
We don't have babies anymore.
We can't sustain our political order anymore.
We can't even protect our borders.
Something has fallen apart in our political thinking, which relies on practical morality, which ultimately comes down to religion.
Man, maybe we need to rethink that.
That's what's happening.
You get all of that and more and a very good theology out of that clip from Charlie.
This is good stuff, man.
Whenever some people, you know, conservatives, they just want to be down in the dumps all the time and it's always about how the West is over and everything's lost and it's all going to hell in a handbasket.
These are good developments.
Speaking of signs of the times, while the Republicans are going in one direction, Democrats are going in another, in a very different direction, and it's creating a lot of problems for Democrat candidates.
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Speaking of signs of the times, a CNN pollster, CNN pollster, is shocked at how anti-Israel Democrats have become.
Andrew Cuomo during the primary attacked Mandani as being insufficiently pro-Israel.
I'm not quite sure the former governor understood how much the politics have changed around this issue among Democrats.
What are we talking about here?
All right, who Democrats sympathize more with?
Israelis or Palestinians?
In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party.
Look at this.
They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points, more with the Israelis than the Palestinians.
But look at this sea change.
Now Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.
Oh my God, that is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years.
So all of a sudden, it's the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position.
And that is part of the reason why Mondani was able to do so well in this primary because those attacks over Israel simply put did not ring true for Democrats.
That's an unbelievable swing.
The CNN pollster is right to be that shocked.
You're talking about a 56-point swing in what, eight years, 2017 to today?
A 56-point swing.
So when Democrat politicians like Andrew Cuomo, who was just trying to run for mayor of New York and got blown out of the water by Zoran Mamdani, the socialist Muslim millennial who's going to become the next mayor of New York, I'm not surprised that Cuomo would say, this guy, he's anti-Israel, he's pro-Palestine, this is crazy, and be totally unaware that the Democrats have completely flipped on the issue, completely flipped.
Now, why is that?
I want to bookend something for a second.
In part, public opinion for Israel, public approval has dropped because of Israeli actions.
Just today, there was news that Israel hit, I guess accidentally, the one Catholic church in Gaza.
So now you have the Pope talking about this.
Okay, not great.
Not a good look for the state of Israel.
Okay, so, but I want to bookend that for a second.
Bookend the Israeli actions and the military actions because I don't think that's the whole story.
I think there is something kind of funny, maybe darkly funny, about the criticism for Israel beyond actions like that, which is the Democrats hate Israel.
The Zoron Mamdani types hate Israel because they view it as a Western imperial project.
And some elements, many, many fewer, but some elements on the right hate Israel because they view it as an anti-Western project.
So you see, the state of Israel is being hit for almost opposite reasons.
The Libs say, this is just a bunch of white people coming into the Middle East, which belongs to the brown people.
For some reason, the Arab conquest of the Levant is the only just conquest ever in the 7th and 8th centuries.
And so now it belongs to these people and no white people are allowed anymore.
And the Jews are white, which isn't even totally true.
And the Jews are white, and they came in.
And Israel's a colonial project set up by the British and the UN.
And anyway, that's why it's evil, because it's Western.
And then there are some elements on the right that say, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand leftists.
The reason Israel is evil is because it's anti-Western.
But we can all agree that we hate Israel and the Jews, but at least Israel.
Okay.
It's kind of a funny thing, if you can laugh about such matters.
It's being attacked for opposite reasons, but that's the big shift.
And so in New York, New York is a Democrat town mostly.
And that's what's going to play.
Zoran Mamdani is going to play.
But people should not be confused here.
Mamdani is not anti-Israel because he's an Islamist, because he's a follower of Saeed Qutib, because he's a Wahhabi or something like that.
Far from it.
I would be surprised if this guy took Islam seriously at all.
You know, it's funny.
We were speaking earlier about ancient Christian heresies and specifically the heresy of Nestorianism that tries to divide Christ as human and as God.
And it probably was the ancient heresy of Nestorianism that helped to kick off Islam in the first place because Muhammad went on a merchant trip with his uncle, was at Abu Talib, and ran into a heretical Christian monk.
And I think the monk, it's unclear exactly what heresy he took part in, but he very well might have been a Nestorian.
So in any case, you see these heresies come down the line.
Even if you think, as I do, that the Islamic theology is rather mistaken.
I don't think Mamdanis think about that at all.
I think he's just a regular lib.
And the reason the libs attack Israel is not because they care about the intifada in the way that Hamas does.
It's because they hate the West and colonialism and imperialism and all the rest of it.
So on the Mamdani front, there's an update.
There's a big update.
And you know how much I hate to say I told you so, but I'm saying that from the beginning.
I said, all these conservatives are attacking Mamdani as though he were Osama bin Laden.
It's just a farce.
He's not.
In many ways, if Mamdani were a serious Islamist, a jihadi even, he would be easier to deal with.
He would be more reasonable than these leftists and these communists who speak about queer liberation and other gobbledygook.
Well, Mamdani was asked if he supports globalizing the intifada.
This is a phrase used by the left, especially since the Gaza War kicked off.
And Mamdani refused to condemn the phrase.
Globalize the intifada.
What does globalize the intifada mean?
It means promote jihad and specifically attack Jews, but attack other people too, but especially Jews.
Globalize the intifada.
And he said, I'm not going to condemn that phrase.
Well, what do you know?
Now that he's the nominee, reported in the New York Times.
So Ron Momdani is not going to use the phrase.
He doesn't like the phrase as much anymore.
He said that he would discourage others from using the phrase because it's seen as a call to violence.
New York Times saying these comments came in a closed-door meeting with roughly 150 business executives at the offices of Tishman Speyer in Rockefeller Center, hosted by the Partnership for New York City, a consortium of members representing banks, law firms, and corporations.
When you're in a room surrounded by Jews, you probably want to downplay your intifadikrad.
But he would have done it anyway.
He would have done it anyway.
Because as I said from the beginning with Zoron, it's not that he's an Islamist.
No way.
I don't even know that he's all that ideological as a leftist.
The phrase they use for it now, it used to be politically incorrect.
Then it was woke.
Now we call it gay race communism.
But it's the same kind of radical leftist ideology.
I don't even know if it's that.
I think the guy wants power.
I think he's wanted to be president since he was in the womb.
And he realized that there's a system of sticks and carrots that encourages ambitious young politicos to adopt certain positions, like radical leftism, to identify as a minority, in this case, a religious minority, pretend to be Muslim, even if he doesn't go to mosque very much, to identify as a racial minority.
That's why he pretended To be a black guy on his college application.
And so he saw that system of incentives.
And if the system of incentives had been otherwise, if the system of incentives had been toward the right, then Zora Mamdani would probably be wearing overalls, playing banjo, calling himself Bubba, okay?
Had it been more for a conservative identity, you'd get that out of him too.
Now he's trying to moderate a little bit and just fall into the fashionable leftism of New York.
So my answer to that is, well, if you want to have a political order that's a little more sensible, you just got to change the incentives.
And that's why it's so important that Trump and the Supreme Court are going in and getting rid of affirmative action programs and diversity statements on college applications.
Part of the reason is you need to create new incentives in the culture to gain power.
And if the current incentives are become a radical leftist, you're going to get a ton of radical leftists because the class of sociopathically ambitious kids is just always going to go where the power is.
Create those new incentives.
You're going to get a new political order.
Culture is downstream of politics.
Okay.
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Vice President J.D. Vance has cast the tiebreaking vote to enshrine Doge cuts, the Elon government efficiency cuts, specifically to foreign aid into law.
One of the big criticisms was that Elon's going to come into the government.
He doesn't really have the authority to make these cuts, and he's doing all of these cuts, but they might not have any effect immediately.
And even if they do have an immediate effect, they're not going to have a long-term effect because Congress needs to get involved.
And this is all just coming out of the White House.
And what can be signed into law with executive orders and pens can be taken out of law just as easily.
Well, there was a 51-50 vote where the Senate had a rescission request to pull back some of the funding that had been set aside.
This was out of the Appropriations Committee, despite the centrists and the squishes who didn't want to cut foreign aid, worried this would impact global health and the American empire.
It's the usual suspects, Lisa Murkowski, senator from Alaska, Susan Collins from Maine, Mitch McConnell now.
They voted no, didn't matter because that meant that the VP, president of the Senate, could walk over from the White House, cast the tiebreaking vote.
It's not just executive orders.
It's not just executive orders here.
The Republicans, even with a challenging situation, getting Republicans in Congress to do anything is like herding cats.
And yet, we are seeing stuff get done.
The EOs would be good, but we are seeing stuff get done.
And not just the big legislative achievement, the big beautiful bill, but we are seeing an effective, competent administration, more effective and more competent than we saw in the first term.
Good stuff.
It's not as splashy.
It doesn't get as much play as scandals or fake scandals or non-troversies from the establishment media, but it's pretty good stuff.
Now, speaking of Republicans in Congress, I got some bad news.
This is some guy, Gabe Evans.
Gabe Evans is some millennial congressman.
I guess he's a Republican.
And he has this bright idea.
We're winning on a lot.
We're winning on a lot of stuff coming out of the White House, a little bit coming out of Congress.
Trump won the popular vote running on mass deportations.
That's now a mainstream majority political issue.
So what are the Republicans in Congress going to do?
The Republicans in Congress who can't win for losing, who clutch defeat from the jaws of victory?
The only thing they can do, they're going to push for amnesty.
Hi, I'm Congressman Gabe Evans from Colorado's 8th Congressional District, and today I am so happy to be able to help introduce the Bipartisan Dignity Act.
I'm the grandson of immigrants from Mexico, and so this bill is particularly important to me because it does three critical things.
It makes sure that we have resources to secure the border.
It helps us crush the criminals, the cartels, and the gangbangers that are in our community illegally and causing problems.
But it also provides a pathway for hardworking immigrants who want to come to the United States, work hard, raise their family, be a contributing part of the American Dream.
And this is something that I've heard from the employers and from the Latino community in my district.
They want that path forward to be able to comply with the law and earn their version of the American Dream.
That's what the Dignity Act does.
And I'm so honored to be able to help introduce it today.
Yeah, no.
No, I'm going to say no.
I don't know Gabe Evans.
Maybe he's a nice guy.
Gabe, if you're watching this, nice to meet you.
No.
No.
Delete that video.
Delete that legislation.
Delete that video.
With Republicans like this, we don't need Democrats.
Are you out of your mind?
Are you out of your ever-loving mind?
We won the election on immigration.
Not just immigration.
Not just enforcement of the border.
Not just deporting criminals.
We won the election with the popular vote and 46% of Hispanics on mass deportations.
We have 11 to 16 million illegal aliens in the country.
That's a very conservative estimate.
They're not all wearing face tattoos worshiping Satan.
Very few of them are, actually.
Many of them work very hard.
That's not the point.
The point is they broke the law.
They came into this country illegally.
Their first action in this country was to disrespect us, violate a basic law.
They are taxing our resources.
They are, by flagrantly violating the law.
It's not that we wouldn't have let them come in legally had they done the right thing, but maybe we would have, maybe we wouldn't have.
That's our right as citizens.
It's about sovereignty.
It's about justice.
It's about social solidarity.
No freaking amnesty.
What's the matter with you?
What is these people?
Ah!
You know, I lose my temper about two, maybe three times a year.
Crazy stuff.
Delete that video and delete that legislation.
And any Republican that votes for this stuff, that votes for mass amnesty after the 2024 election, like five seconds after the 2024 election, any Republican congressman who votes for that, delete them from the Congress rolls, okay?
Send them back to the private sector.
Get them out of government.
Completely insane.
Maybe he's a nice guy.
Delete that video.
Now, speaking of the state of the GOP, President Trump is very upset about the fact that some people are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
He's railing against Republicans, and he is now being criticized by people who say he's turned on his base.
I don't think that's what's going on.
I think what's going on has a lot more to do with Congress.
We'll get to exactly what he said in a second.
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My favorite comment yesterday is from Chestnut Gun Shop.
When my daughters started middle school, I told them almost weekly, never let anyone take a picture of you doing anything you don't want your mother to see.
Great, great point.
I said this yesterday to everyone who watches the show, but especially the young people.
I know there are a lot of very young people who watch the show.
Teenagers, 12-year-olds, 11-year-olds, there are young people who come up to me at events and they say, hello, Mr. Knolls, I watch your show.
So anyway, this is to all of you, but to the adults too.
Don't, don't ever send a photo of yourself, nude or in a compromising position, to anyone.
Let me go further.
Don't ever take a photo of yourself in that kind of position.
Nothing good can come from that.
And what you're going to say is, well, everyone does that now.
I don't care that everyone does that.
Do I have to, am I your father?
Now I got to talk to you like you.
If everyone drove off a bridge, would you drive off a bridge?
The liberals would.
This was a great point.
I think Adrian Vermuel, the great Harvard law professor, made this point yesterday on X. He said, for liberals, the only criterion for making judgments is social proof because they're not rooted in anything eternal or lasting, lasting really at all.
So it's just, well, if everyone's doing it, it must be the right thing to do.
But that's not how we, they're wrong.
Don't do that.
No nude pictures, no sexting, no, none of that.
Don't do that ever.
I don't care what age you are.
I don't care if you're 52.
In fact, in some ways, it's worse if you're 50.
Don't none of that.
That was very good advice that you gave to your daughter.
Okay.
President Trump, very irritated at the state of the GOP.
President Trump has written a lot on truth.
The truth social posts have gotten longer.
He says, the radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like with the fake and fully discredited Steel dossier, the lying 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, which the Democrats swore had come from Russia.
No, it came from Hunter Biden's bathroom.
Even though, hey, speaking of, speaking of weird nude selfies sexting, even the Russia, Russia, Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made-up story used in order to hide crooked Hillary Speak Laws in 2016 presidential election.
These scams and hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at.
It's all they have.
They're no good at governing, no good at policy, no good at picking winning candidates.
And unlike the Republicans, they stick together like glue.
Okay, so there's the flip.
The preface is to remind you of how many, not just how many times the Democrats have tried to get Trump, but he's reminding you how many times it seemed like Trump was totally on the ropes and he was done and his career was over and he was going to jail and he was, and then he survived.
And now we forget about a lot of those nontropies.
And he lived through all of these.
He had to really fight like a dog to get out of these things.
So he's reminding you, hey, you think this is a big problem.
It's a tempest in a teapot.
That's the subtext.
Then he goes to what he really wants to talk about.
He says, the Democrats stick together like glue.
We don't.
Some of my supporters are attacking me over the Epstein thing.
This is their new scam.
This is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
And my past supporters have bought into this BS hook line and sinker.
They haven't learned their lesson.
They probably never will, even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years.
I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history and all these people want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake news and the success star of Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work.
Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success because I don't want their support anymore.
Whoa.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Make America great again.
I don't want their support.
So I think this is being misinterpreted.
We've talked about the Epstein thing ad nauseum.
So you know my views on that.
I think the government needs a better answer on it.
I think people want justice.
And it's not necessarily that they want full transparency.
I don't think governments are in the business of full transparency, but we want justice.
And so the government needs to make clear that some justice is being done.
People do want some answers, no doubt about it.
But that's a separate point, actually, to what President Trump's talking about here.
Because he says, I don't want the people who are incessantly focused and yelling at me over Epstein.
I don't want their support anymore.
I think this is being misinterpreted as him saying, you know, the ordinary run-of-the-mill, rank and file MAGA guys who, you know, donated and showed up to the rallies.
I don't like you anymore.
I don't think that's what he's saying.
I think this, he might as well have written this truth social post to Congress.
I think he might have opened this up with, dear Congress, dear Thomas Massey, dear Marjorie Taylor Greene, and then written the rest of it.
I don't, I think this is to his politician supporters, the people in his coalition, because you now have guys like Thomas Massey, a libertarian, teaming up with Democrats to try to force the release of the Epstein files, which many people might like, but the Democrats don't like it because they want transparency in government.
Democrats like it because it's a way to attack Trump.
And that's how Trump's viewing it.
And so Trump is viewing some of his political enemies, the Democrats, plus his political enemies within the Republican Party, Thomas Massey, and his erstwhile supporters, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, coming after him for this.
And he's viewing this as a loyalty test or a betrayal.
And I think the Epstein issue is secondary or tertiary in his mind.
It might be primary in most people's minds, but that's not how he's viewing this.
The key line to this post is the Democrats stick together like glue, but Republicans don't.
That's what this is about.
This is the most real threat to his coalition yet.
I don't think that it's the end of MAGA.
I don't think it's likely to be the end of MAGA, but this is the most real threat to the coalition yet.
And conservatives need to learn how to stick together like glue.
And part of that is going to be at some point, you're already starting to see some movement on this, but you have people who are not haters of Trump.
You have some of Trump's strongest supporters saying, hey, we got to do something else.
The Epstein issue is not going to go away.
You got to offer something.
And I think that that's going to be important to keeping the coalition together.
This is not just another, you know, the bond market is failing for a day.
This is not just the Panicans.
This does have some legs, and there's a way out of it, but you got to work on getting out of it.
Okay.
Now, speaking of the Epstein issue, Shane Gillis decided to make this a feature of his monologue while hosting the Espys last night.
Donald Trump wants to stage a UFC fight on the White House lawn.
The last time he staged a fight in D.C., Mike Pence almost died.
You don't have to do that.
It was fine.
I didn't write it.
Actually, there was supposed to be an Epstein joke here, but as it got deleted, must have probably deleted itself, right?
Probably never existed, actually.
Let's move on as a country and ignore that.
Okay, all right.
So you see, I actually like that they included the Mike Pence clip at the top because I like Shane Gillis.
I think he's very funny.
But Shane Gillis is a fence sitter politically.
He is not on the right.
He's not on the left.
He is a fence sitter and he is a weather vane.
He's a very funny guy, too.
But he doesn't want to upset the left and he doesn't want to upset the right.
And he's going to go basically where the median voter is.
I think that's what he wants to do.
In the podcasting realm, you see Joe Rogan, the greatest podcaster ever.
Joe Rogan is the avatar of the median voter.
That's part of why he's so effective.
Shane Gillis is doing the same thing in comedy.
And so what guys like Shane Gillis are joking about, not what NBC is joking about, not what some stupid left-wing comedians joke, but what Shane Gillis is joking about, what Joe Rogan is talking about.
That is a decent gauge of where the zeitgeist is, of where the culture is.
And right now, the administration needs to do everything it can not to lose the median voter.
This is political advice going all the way back to Antonio Gramsci, and further back than that.
You got to have the common sense.
And Trump won with the popular vote, with huge swaths of every demographic, because he had the common sense and the Libs lost the common sense.
And right now, there is a fear and there's a concerted push to try to suggest Democrats now have the common sense on this disclosure issue.
And the Republicans don't have the common sense anymore.
They're being duplicitous or they're being deceitful.
And it doesn't have to be that way.
I don't think that is really how it is, but the movement is real.
Hold the common sense.
Hold the Shane Gillises.
Hold the Joe Rogans.
Hold tight.
This is a real threat.
Okay.
Speaking of Trump wins, there's a major, major Trump win coming out of Maha.
President Trump tweeted out.
He said, I'm being slightly facetious, but only slightly.
He says, I've been speaking to Coca-Cola about using real cane sugar and Coke in the United States.
They've agreed to do so.
I'd like to thank all of those in authority at Coca-Cola.
This will be a very good move by them.
You'll see.
It's just better.
It's just better.
The sugars.
And you say, well, who cares, Michael?
We're talking about the world order.
We're talking about espionage.
We're talking about serious crimes.
And you want to talk about Coca-Cola?
This is a concrete win.
It's a concrete Maha victory.
Trump formed this new coalition by bringing in people who were historically liberal, the crunchy hippie types who worry about the food supply.
They were uniformly on the left 10, 15 years ago.
Now they're on the right.
And he delivered them a real concrete win, not even through legislation, not even through an executive order, but by bullying a corporation and making them use real cane sugar.
Not that cane sugar is good for you.
It's not that you should be guzzling Coca-Cola with real sugar.
That's also bad for you.
But that's a win.
That's something concrete groups in his coalition wanted, and they're getting it.
They want to get rid of seed oils.
They want to get rid of high fructose corns Europe.
He got that for them by just picking up the phone and talking to the head of Coca-Cola.
That's a win.
And I think the administration can point to a lot of these and wants to do more of it.
We're going to say, hey, you didn't support me in vain.
I gave you what you wanted.
I'm going to deliver on Maha.
I'm going to deliver on no new wars.
We were told we were going to get World War III in Iran.
We didn't get that.
We're going to deliver on wages for workers.
We're going to deliver on immigration.
They're delivering on that.
We're going to deliver.
That's how you're going to win.
It's going to be these concrete victories.
The Libs, Barack Obama, we'll have to get to this tomorrow.
The Libs have been promising all this abstract nonsense about like, you know, gender identity or whatever.
And they lost their coalition.
They lost the common sense.
These concrete wins are going to help.
And so the issue with Epstein is that was a concrete win that the coalition was expecting.
Here you go.
Here are the files.
Here's the binder.
Here's the whatever.
There's got to be some way for the administration to be able to claim a victory here.
Okay.
Before we get into the member block, it's Theology Thursday.
I want to thank all of you.
I really want to thank you because I mentioned at the tail end of the show yesterday, there was this new charitable cause that had come to my attention.
And it's a charcot-marie tooth disease.
It's this genetic condition inherited by little kids that causes them to lose a lot of their mobility, you know, being wheelchairs and stuff by the time they're teenagers.
Really, really damages their life.
And a geneticist in Cyprus seems to have found a cure, but they need to raise money for toxicology studies and the final round of clinical trials and all the rest.
And so often this happens where you got what looks like pretty reliably a cure, and you got a ton of patients, thousands of patients, little kids who need it, but you can't get the cure to the patients because you can't raise some money.
So anyway, I mentioned that.
I said, it came to my attention because my friend's kid was diagnosed with this condition.
They've raised a ton of money.
They're very, very close, but they were having trouble getting over the last hump.
And the creme de la creme, man, you guys completely came through.
That's really beautiful to see.
For those who have not given yet, by the way, the address is justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George.
Justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George.
But I said, I said, if everyone gives a dollar or less than a dollar, 50 cents or something, they'll be off to the races.
And so many of you didn't donate a dollar.
You donated $10, $100, more than that.
Some of you could donate $10,000.
There's some well-heeled people in the audience.
But even people who said, I really don't have money to give, but I want to help out and give a buck or two.
So, so sweet.
Really wonderful.
So beautiful to see.
Thank you to all of you.
If you haven't done it yet, there's still time.
Justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George.
I greatly appreciate your generosity.
And now you get a great tax deduction at the end of the year, and you don't have to give money to old Uncle Sam.
