Ep. 1766 - You Are NEVER Getting the Epstein Client List
After promising for years to release the Epstein client list, the government now claims there is no client list; an eight-year-old boy in Thailand is discovered after being raised by dogs; and Isabel Brown joins the show to talk about joining The Daily Wire.
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After years of promises to release the Jeffrey Epstein client list, the Department of Justice and the FBI have officially concluded that there is no Jeffrey Epstein client list and everyone should just forget about it.
Which will sound strange to many of you who remember the Attorney General saying this just four and a half months ago.
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients?
Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to review.
That's been a directive by President Trump.
I'm reviewing that.
I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.
That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.
So have you seen anything that you said, oh my gosh?
Not yet.
Okay.
Well, we'll check back with you.
Okay, let's check back.
The list was on her desk, but also it doesn't exist.
And Jeffrey Epstein definitely killed himself, even though they told us the cameras on the jail cell went out until they released the video footage of the cameras that were on, which just happens to cut out and reframe right in the middle, 60 seconds, totally missing, and that's that.
So stop asking questions.
Now, if you are at all surprised by the DOJ's conclusion, I'm sorry that I have to say something that I hate to say, which is that I told you so.
You heard the Attorney General there referencing the JFK files in the same breath as the Epstein client list.
I told you, I told you, as recently as three months ago, when many people were similarly surprised and disappointed by the government's failure to release anything significant about the assassination of JFK, in case you forgot what I had to say then, maybe I'm a little thick.
Maybe I'm missing something.
People believe that President Kennedy was murdered by the CIA, the mob, the Soviets, the Israelis, the Cubans, the Fed, the deep state, LBJ, George Bush, or some combination of those players.
They believe that our government is so evil that it covered up the murder of a president for 60 years and then violated a federal law mandating the release specifically of those documents for 33 years.
But now they believe the government is just going to tell us.
Is that the theory?
Okay, cool.
Great.
Sounds good.
Let me know.
Just let me know.
I haven't read through them all.
You tell me what you find in those 60,000 pages.
I can't wait to hear about the smoking gun, which I'm sure we're going to hear about any day now, probably right after we learn the real story about Jeffrey Epstein.
When I said that, a bunch of you yelled at me.
Okay.
And you yelled at me because you said, Michael, you're not talking about all the cool, spicy stuff in the JFK files.
I said, I'm not, I didn't read the JFK file.
I'm not going, I'm not going to read the JFK files.
There's nothing in them.
I promise you one thing, there's nothing in them.
Because if there were, they wouldn't have released them.
Okay.
I don't, hold on.
I don't mean to make light of this story.
This is dark.
I'm the Epstein story.
And the JFK story, I guess.
But this story is dark.
It's real dark.
An underage sex ring involving some of the richest, most powerful people on earth.
I really don't want to make light of that.
But I do have to make fun of the political innocence and naivete required to think that we were ever going to get a different story about Epstein.
The official story is that Epstein was a rich sex freak who killed himself.
And he had some famous friends, but they have nothing to do with it.
That's the official story.
In order to believe that we were ever going to get a different story, the full story, the real story, you would have to believe that our government is shady enough to get in bed with an underage sex ring kingping blackmail artist and at the same time forthright enough to give us all the details when the people demanded it.
Oh, well, you voted.
You voted for it.
So surely we must give it to you now.
Ah, our hands are tied.
You voted.
If Jeffrey Epstein was who the government says he was, you've got the whole story.
And if he was something else, you got the whole story that you're ever going to get.
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Welcome back to the show.
We got a big, big story.
Well, we will get to more of the Epstein stuff, which is so preposterous.
You have to just kind of throw your hands up and kind of laugh.
You laugh or cry, I guess.
You laugh or cry.
But we also have another big story, which is that Isabel Brown, my friend Isabelle Brown, is joining the Daily Wire.
And I'm very excited about that.
And she's joining the show later on today.
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The most ridiculous part of this Epstein conclusion, you think there's so much.
The attorney general says, I have his client list on my desk.
Actually, it doesn't exist.
I don't have a desk.
What are you talking about, Epstein client?
Elaine Maxwell's in prison for trafficking underage girls to no one.
What are you talking about?
Huh?
Jeffrey Epstein?
What?
These are not the droids you're looking for.
Move along.
Move along.
So that's pretty ridiculous.
But that's not the most ridiculous part.
Epstein definitely killed himself.
That's not even the most ridiculous part.
The most ridiculous part is we were told, do you remember this?
We were told that when Epstein died under dubious circumstances at the Manhattan Correctional Facility, we were told, well, the cameras went out.
The camera, the multiple cameras on his cell, they just went out.
He was on Suicide Watch.
They went out and the guards weren't there and they fell asleep and I don't know, something crazy happened.
So we don't have the video footage.
And then the DOJ says we do have the video footage.
So they found it.
Wow, what a lucky break.
They found the video footage.
They release hours of video footage and it's to prove that no one went into his jail cell.
But I just want to play you a little clip.
This is from justice.gov.
This is from the DOJ.
Here's a little clip at 1158.
Look at the timestamp.
1158, 53, 4, 5, 56, 57, 58, 59.
And then it jumps and the frame changes.
Pause it right there.
So you had, I just pulled a little clip of it from 11.
This is 11 p.m., 1145 and zero seconds.
And you can just watch the seconds click up.
And you watch it for minute after minute after.
Go back.
Go back to the beginning of that video.
Okay, here we go.
I'm just going to write at the end.
11.58 and 48 seconds.
49, 50, 51, 52.
Okay, you see the frame here?
It's just the frame.
No one's coming in and out.
55, 56, 57, 58, 50.
Wait, hold on.
Then it jumps a whole minute and the frame changes.
What happened in that minute?
And why did the frame change?
And why was this buried right in the middle of this video that goes on for hours?
Why would they release this?
This is the most insulting part of it to me.
You're going to say the client list is on your desk, but then it doesn't exist.
Okay, that's insulting.
You're insulting my intelligence, but whatever, fine.
But politics changes.
Okay, I get it.
Whatever.
For whatever reason, okay, I never thought we were going to get any info on Epstein, so I'm not surprised.
Then you tell us there's no video, but actually there is a video.
We're going to release hours of it.
And then you release the video.
You say, you see, here's the video.
No one comes in and out.
And you jump cut a whole minute with a timestamp on the video and the frame changes.
You don't even keep the frame the same.
So it's actually pretty obvious.
Yeah.
What happened in that minute?
Did Hillary sneak into the cell?
Maybe it was Queen Elizabeth.
I don't know.
A mother's love knows no bounds.
Maybe she came in there to protect Prince Andrew's honor.
I don't know what it was.
But a lot can happen in one minute.
Don't you think?
In a tiny little cell, a lot can happen in 60 seconds.
But whatever happened, whatever happened, here's my prediction.
Whatever happened, you're not going to find out.
And I hate to, I hate to say I told you so.
How many times have I said that today?
I hate to say I told you so.
But I can't go through the emotional roller coaster of this whole thing.
It was so irritating when the JFK files came out.
All these people said, Michael, why aren't you talking about the 80,000 pages of JFK files?
I said, because nothing's in it.
How you guys are like Charlie Brown with the freaking football?
What do you think is in that?
Oh, it's going to be the smoking gun that it was the CIA, mob, Israelis, Russians, Bush, Johnson, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You're not.
If any of that were in there, you would not have the files.
The government delayed release in contravention of the law of the JFK files for decades.
And you ain't getting anything from Epstein because this is how government works.
It's one of two things.
I want to be totally fair.
There is a chance these are all just weird coincidences.
I guess.
There's a chance.
It's all just weird coincidences.
It's all totally above board.
This man who had a weird, creepy sex pedo island and was hobnobbing with the richest, most powerful people on earth.
It was all just like a weird misunderstanding.
Okay, sure.
That's one possibility.
Or if Alex Acosta was right, Alex Acosta was the U.S. attorney who finally prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein in Florida, gave him this really sweetheart deal where he basically got to hang out at a hotel for a while.
They called it the Palm Beach Jail, but it was kind of nice.
He got to leave.
It was totally fine.
When Alex Acosta was up for labor secretary, it was reported by the Daily Beast that Alex Acosta heard.
And again, it was reported by the Daily Beast.
You never know if you trust the Daily Beast.
It's a left-wing rag, but it was reported that Alex Acosta heard that Jeffrey Epstein belonged to intelligence and it was above his pay grade and let it go.
And that's what he said when he was being vetted for labor secretary.
So if that's true, if this were a blackmail ring with support from the U.S. government, foreign governments, the mob, some cabal, whatever, if that's true, you're never going to find out.
That's how it goes.
We're talking about the client list.
I don't think people understand the most important part of the client list.
They want to pick up the Johns.
The Johns are the least important part of it.
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It's so ridiculous that even Peter Ducey, who is generally considered a little bit more of a right-wing conservative supporting reporter, was in the briefing room.
He asks Press Secretary Caroline Levitt, what happened to the list on the desk?
So what happened to the Epstein client list that the Attorney General said she had on her desk?
Well, I think if you go back and look at what the Attorney General said in that interview, which was on your network on Fox News, John Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Will that really happen?
And she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review.
Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
That's what the Attorney General was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that.
But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars.
They have an operation going on right now called Summer Heats, which has our murder rate trending in the lowest direction in United States history.
Their emphasis on violent crime and locking up violent criminals has led to the arrest of 14,000 violent criminals.
That's a 62% increase from the same time period last year.
So this Attorney General and the FBI director are committed to putting bad people behind bars where they belong.
They promised an exhaustive review.
That's what they did.
For any further details, I would refer you to the Department of Justice.
Okay.
Okay.
This is the best response Caroline Levitt could have given.
She did a great job.
Doesn't quite get you all the way there, does it?
You know, she's asked by Docey, hold on.
Bondi said, the list is on my desk.
Specifically asked about the client list.
So the list is on my desk.
And the press secretary says, well, no, she was referring to all of the paperwork, all of the files.
But that's not what Bondi said.
Bondi was asked a very specific question about the client list.
And she said, the list is on my desk.
So, and then Caroline moves on and says, look, we've done a great job locking up criminals here.
Any more questions?
I refer you to the DOJ, as if to say, I'm giving you my best.
You want to talk to the DOJ?
Go talk to the DOJ.
A good answer.
She's then asked further about this.
Obviously, it's the biggest news story of the day.
She's asked, well, what about accountability for the clients?
Caroline, the DOJ and FBI have now concluded there was no Jeffrey Epstein client list.
What do you tell MAGA supporters who say they want anyone involved in Jeffrey Epstein's alleged crimes to be held accountable?
This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable.
And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration.
And the Trump administration is committed to truth and to transparency.
That's why the Attorney General and the FBI director pledged at the President's direction to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death.
And they put out a memo in conclusion of that review.
There was material they did not release because, frankly, it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption.
But they committed to an exhaustive investigation.
That's what they did.
And they provided the results of that.
That's transparency.
Okay, so that's it.
Look, we did what we said we were going to do.
We were going to investigate this.
We've come to our conclusion.
You might not like the conclusion, but there it is.
That's our conclusion.
We're moving on.
Okay.
I still want accountability for the clients, but I'm not talking about the Johns.
I mean, sure, the rest of the Johns do.
But I want to know about who was backing Epstein.
Was he really just a rich guy who made his own money and funded his own weird lifestyle?
It's possible.
Or was he being backed by intelligence agencies?
As the Daily Beast reported that then U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta said.
And was he being backed by the CIA, as has been speculated, or by Mussad, as has been speculated, because of the Ghelan-Maxwell connection?
Or by any of the Five Eyes agencies, or by whoever?
I don't know.
I'd like to know.
Those are the more interesting clients.
The Johns are less interesting.
Sins of the flesh are less interesting than sins of fraud and deception and statecraft.
But all of that said, I'm having a little fun with the official storyline about the Epstein saga because it's preposterous.
But I also want to defend the U.S. government here, not even just the Trump administration, I want to defend the U.S. government here a little bit.
Governments do not behave in a transparent way, and they cannot behave in a totally transparent way.
You want some degree of democratic accountability, certainly, but in order for a government to function, you cannot have a direct government of the people with direct democratic transparency on every single matter.
That's not how affairs of state are conducted.
That's not how political alliances are conducted.
That's not how geopolitics is conducted.
That's not how any institution really is conducted.
And so you're never going to get that.
I guess this is my biggest takeaway from the whole Epstein story, is the political innocence and naivete required to believe that you were ever going to get any juicy story.
If the juicy speculation is not true, then obviously you're not going to get the story.
If it is true, you're also not going to get the story.
The innocence, the naivete to say, our government's so corrupt that they do all these terrible things, but they'll just tell us.
No.
And this is not even how governments act.
You're not going to get the truth.
If it was a spy ring, if it was a state-sponsored spy ring, you're never going to get the truth about that because that's not how spy rings work.
All states spy and they don't tell you that they're spying.
They don't tell you how they spy.
That's not what espionage is.
You're not going to, I know that's unsatisfying.
And I know people say, well, what about the justice of the, what about the transparency?
I want to know all the details.
That's not how government works.
Sorry.
Sorry to disabuse you of your idealistic notion.
But if you're sitting there on your couch holding your breath for the real story about JFK or Epstein or whatever, you're going to be holding your breath a long time.
Your blood oxygen levels are going to drop real, real low.
Now, speaking of weird sex stuff, moving on from that diatribe on Jeffrey Epstein, the strangest political story, one of the strangest political stories of our time, there is a less strange, more quotidian, but equally gory and gruesome story about a trans-identified coach at a Gettysburg, Pennsylvania high school, who is found.
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He was found to have sent homemade pornography to a school board member.
Can you imagine this guy, who is an obvious sexual deviant and complete pervert, he did something that was deviant and perverted.
It's crazy.
It's always, always the ones you most expect.
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Redux is reporting a trans-identified male sports coach who was previously at the center of multiple controversies at Gettysburg High School, has apparently has reportedly boasted in some weird porn forum, like a fetish forum, that he made homemade pornography and then sent it to a member of the school board.
And he did this, according to the reporting, specifically to fulfill his quote, exposure fetish, which I have to surmise, I have to infer means he gets a thrill out of exposing himself to people.
Now, this is going to be really, really surprising because in 2022, months after this guy began identifying as a woman and using facilities for women and girls, he reportedly stripped down to, quote, a bra and panties in the girls' locker room where the high school soccer team was changing, and he exposed himself to these girls.
So it's so weird.
A guy who did that, who had a history of doing that, apparently reportedly admitted on a weird, creepy sex website that he got a weird, creepy sexual thrill out of doing that.
Isn't that weird?
Wow.
Who could have seen that one coming?
The libs and some of the libertarians have been asking conservatives in recent years why we want to ban pornography.
Either ban it outright or heavily, heavily regulate it to keep it out of the hands of children and make it more obviously shameful to access so as to discourage people from using it.
I said, why do you want to ban pornography?
What's it to you?
What's it matter to you what someone does in the privacy of his own cell phone or whatever?
What does it matter to you?
Why get your get your opinions out of other people's bedrooms?
How does it affect you?
Because it encourages people to do this stuff.
That's how it affects me.
This guy, according to the reports, was on a lot of weird sex websites, as we all know.
And those websites appear to have encouraged him in his weird sexual behaviors, his weird sexual behaviors that bled over into his school that he was working at, where he did weird sex stuff in front of kids.
It turns out that what people do in their private lives affects their public life as well, because we're individual human beings.
We're not Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
We're not multiple personality.
We can't just compartmentalize our identities and say, okay, well, in the evening, I'm this person, but then in the daytime, I'm this other person, and they have nothing to do with each other.
That is not how it works.
As we've learned from the Epstein saga, weird sex stuff has a lot of political import and consequences.
That's why.
That's why it matters.
Because no man is an island entire unto himself.
Because we're the political creature.
Because a civilization, a society that is in a perpetual state of grave mortal sin, and even if you don't want to use religious language, just like weird, creepy habits that melt your brain and make you do weird stuff, shameful stuff, that kind of society is not going to flourish because those same people who are doing weird, creepy stuff in their supposed private time are going to be weird, creepy people in their public time too.
That's why we want to ban it.
Because it does affect us because we're all social creatures and because it's just manifestly not good.
And we can know those things with our reason.
Okay.
Speaking of young people, crazy story out of Thailand.
Really sad story, but also really, really crazy.
An eight-year-old boy was found to be raised by dogs.
This kid, according to reporting, according to the Mirror UK, locals reported seeing this kid's mother begging for change and food in the local area.
And she apparently took the kid to school one time to get a grant for his education, but it was a grant that she then reportedly just blew on drugs for herself.
So she never sent the kid to school.
He was completely uneducated.
Families nearby reportedly banned their children from interacting with this little boy because of his mother's behavior.
And without any humans to interact with, the mother neglected him because she was doing drugs.
He turned to dogs for socialization and ended up mimicking their behavior so that when he was found, he could not speak.
He could only bark.
His only companions were dogs who appear to have raised him.
Now, this is related to a story that we just talked about, which is why you're allowed to have an opinion about people's supposedly private behavior.
Because we are mimetic creatures.
So how did the kid learn to bark?
Because we're mimetic creatures, we just imitate each other.
So we're, you know, you're going to adopt the speech patterns of people that you talk to.
You're going to adopt the desires even of people you talk to.
You're going to want to wear the same kind of clothes that the people you admire wear.
You know, you're going to want to buy the nice wristwatch, not because you know anything about horology, but because the guy that you admire wears that wristwatch.
We're mimetic.
And so if the creatures that you're spending all your time with are dogs, you're going to bark like a dog.
And you can't be surprised when the local people don't want to have their kids interact with you because they know that the kids are going to act like you too.
And that's why you're known by the friends you keep.
And that's why sometimes parents say, don't hang out with that family over there.
That's also why the political upshot of this, the good news politically is that's why we're allowed to have an opinion about other people's behavior because other people's behavior affects us.
And if you don't have standards and norms to keep people in check, if you just let them gallivant like creeps at a pride parade or bark like dogs because of parental neglect or do any manner of weird stuff, it's going to affect everyone.
It's going to spread like a putrid miasma over your civilization because people are going to imitate it unconsciously.
That's just how mimesis and mimetic desire works.
Now, speaking of education, you know that guy in New York, the socialist Muslim who he won the Democrat primary, he'll probably be the next mayor of New York, Soron Mumdani.
Well, this guy is a breaking news story from Benjamin Ryan.
I think it was the New York Times reported it.
Benjamin Ryan was a liberal reporter, though a hat tip here to Cremio, which is a far right-wing Twitter account, is a story that apparently this guy, Mamdani, pretended to be black on his application to Columbia University.
This guy, Mamdani, who's pretty white, I get, what is he?
He's Indian or something?
I don't know, whatever he is.
He's fairly light-skinned.
He certainly ain't a black guy.
He pretended to be a black guy to get into Columbia University.
And he defended it too, by the way.
So here's a New York Times reporting.
Mamdani identified as Asian and African American on college application.
Zoran Mamdani, the Democrat running for mayor of New York City, was born in Uganda.
He doesn't consider himself black, but said the application did not allow for the complexity of his background.
And this is how he defended.
He said, most college applications don't have a box for Indian Ugandans.
So I checked multiple boxes trying to capture the fullness of my background.
Even though these boxes are constraining, I want my college application to reflect who I was.
This is less credible than the government conclusions about Jeffrey Epstein.
No, no, you understand.
The fullness of my background was not comprehensible by the episode.
So I had to pretend to be a black guy.
That's not why he did it.
He did it because he wanted an advantage.
And he knows that, at least at that time, even still today, even after the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, but even still today, if you say you're black on your college application, you get an advantage.
You get bonus points.
It's easier to get in.
That's why he did it.
Now, to me, the biggest red flag of this whole story is that he went to Columbia.
Columbia University, they produce, of all the schools, they've seemed to produce some of the absolute worst, the worst of the worst.
But beyond that, everyone's saying, well, he's a radical Muslim.
I don't see any evidence he's a radical Muslim.
He seems like a communist.
I think there's a lot of evidence he's a communist.
I don't see evidence.
I think he's a regular old lefty who kind of an extreme lefty, a race lefty.
What do they call it?
Gay race communism, you know, like a real extreme woke kind of lefty.
But I don't see evidence that he's an Islamist.
In some ways, it would be an improvement if he were an Islamist.
At least then I can say, okay, he believes in God to some degree.
He believes in some version of a kind of slightly relatively traditional morality.
And no, it's not that.
It seems more like he engages in what we used to call woke, which we now call gay race communism.
That said, more power to him.
That's what I say.
I know this is an unpopular view on the Mamdani story.
more power to him.
If you believe that the racial discrimination that the government has enforced in college applications for decades is unjust, then I don't see why we would be upset about this guy subverting the system.
He's subverting.
He's not a black guy.
He pretended to be a black guy.
He's subverting the system to his own benefit.
He wasn't doing it to public benefit.
He was doing it to his own benefit.
But if you think that that system's unjust, I don't know why we're on his case.
Shouldn't we have all been subverting the system?
If you think it's really, really unjust, shouldn't we have been subverting it if we can?
He didn't even lie.
He was born in Uganda.
So technically he can claim to be African.
It's like Elon Musk pretending to be an African-American, you know?
But I don't know if he could do it.
I don't know.
More power to him.
Sorry.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize this guy.
I don't think that is one of them.
Now, speaking of working the system, CNN has some oddly kind words for President Trump.
And it actually ties into what we've all been talking about.
The biggest compliment I've ever seen CNN pay to Donald Trump.
Speaking about working the system, CNN has just paid Donald Trump the greatest compliment I've ever seen them pay him.
They say that with the passage of the Big Beautiful Bill Act, Trump's big legislative achievement this year, Trump has figured out how to work the system in his favor.
The other problems with the bill, just to be clear, one of the other parts of this that I think might go unnoticed is how much this time, this second term for President Trump is different than the first term.
They have figured out in that four years that President Trump was not in office how to work the system in their favor.
That was not something we saw during the chaotic first term.
And, you know, in the last couple of days, we've been talking about this nonstop, this idea that, oh, is the bill on the verge of collapse?
And every time I spoke to White House officials, they said they like their odds.
They think that they are feeling optimistic.
And when I ask why, they just point me to what we've seen for the past six months, which was anytime President Trump has wanted to get something done in Congress, even with people opposing it, almost every time he has been able to strong-arm something through the Senate, through the House that he wanted to get done in terms of his agenda.
I love this.
This is a great compliment.
They probably didn't mean this as a compliment.
And I bet there are even a lot of people on the right who don't think this is a compliment.
They say, well, he's just working the system.
Donald Trump just figured out how to work the system to his advantage.
And you even have the people on the right who don't like the big beautiful bill.
I think mostly because they misunderstand it or misunderstand how government works.
But they say, oh, I don't, he just worked the system.
I hate the system.
Ah, dastardly system.
I hate it.
I only want politicians who know how to work the system.
I only, I want this to be loud and clear.
I only, I do not care one iota for a supposedly principled politician who has no idea how to work the system.
That principled man who never gets anything done.
First of all, I question his principles to start.
If his principles involve never accomplishing anything, I'm not that into his principles.
If you're going to be a politician, learn how to work the system.
If you're really in any job, in any job, in any industry, you need to be able to get results.
And getting results involves understanding how the system works.
This goes all the way back to the speech I just gave at Ave Maria University for the commencement, which is don't change the world.
You know, everyone, you always hear change the world.
Go out there and change the world.
And you hear this for the politicians.
Go out there and you need to change government.
You're not going to change government.
Government's pretty stable.
It's been pretty stable since Polybius.
There are basically three kinds.
There's monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy.
There are bad versions of that, which is tyranny, oligarchy, and mob rule, some combination thereof.
That's pretty much it.
One time I remember Norm McDonald did a bit once where he was talking about the thing that husbands and wives do together.
And he was joking about people who say they've invented something new.
He said, there are really only like three things you can do.
Sometimes you think you invented a fourth thing, but it's really just a combination of like two of them.
Anyway, that's the same thing with government.
Okay.
You're not going to reinvent government.
You can wield the government toward good ends.
I certainly want that for my politicians.
But in order to do that, you need to understand how the system works and work the system and get good stuff.
If you want to go out there and have a good effect on the world, don't go out setting out to change the world.
You're not going to change the world.
Understand how the world works, work within the limits that are imposed by the world, and then do good things.
That's what I want.
Now, Trump's success is coming at a cost.
Joe Biden is reportedly whining about it.
Apparently, Biden's on the speaking circuit.
Kind of ironic.
The guy couldn't speak for four years, and now he's on the speaking circuit to fill up the coffers.
I guess the Hunter Biden money ran out.
Burisma not paying as much anymore.
I don't have time.
I don't have time to get to the story today, but it's a very, very important story of Joe Biden's miserable retirement.
We'll get to that momentarily.
I don't know.
We'll get to it tomorrow, I guess.
Because right now, I want to do something more important.
I want to bring on my friend and my new colleague at the Daily Wire.
You know, The Daily Wire launches like one new show.
When I say new show, we have lots of little shows.
I'm talking about one new host with a show that's named after the host.
We do that once every like 14 years.
Okay.
We are real.
Some organizations in the media and in politics, they hire a zillion people every five seconds and they fire a lot of people.
We don't really do that.
We're pretty slow about the whole thing.
We have just brought on the latest Daily Wire host.
That would be Isabelle Brown.
Isabel, thank you for coming on the show and joining Daily Wire.
Thanks for having me back, Michael.
I'm super excited to be here.
So how'd this all happen?
I want the tea.
Give me the tea.
I right now have some fruity millennial seltzer in my tumbler, but I want tea.
The deep lore, as Gen Z would say.
You know, it's been a long time coming.
And this year, I've been really excited about the idea of taking my long form content, and in particular, my show, to a new level, because I've really felt this impetus to continue working as hard as we can on offense to win the culture war once and for all.
I think a lot of people in the conservative movement and on the political right look at last November as a resounding victory, and we can plant our flag and say that's it when it comes to winning an election.
But in reality, we have so much more work to do to change culture from the inside out, to transform a generation and really to create a blueprint for a new American dream as young people continue to come into adulthood.
So I'd been poking around different opportunities for how that might happen.
And a total God thing dropped in my lap when two days before I had my beautiful new daughter who's sleeping upstairs, I got a phone call from the new leadership team over here at the Daily Wire about joining forces with the incredible Daily Wire community to take the Isabel Brown show to a whole new audience.
So we are working very hard behind the scenes.
I'm incredibly excited about continuing lots of my other advocacy and activism work elsewhere and continuing to do my independent content on Instagram and TikTok and all of that.
But even more importantly, investing everything we've got into this show, not just as an opportunity to react to all of the brokenness and craziness of the left, which is what we've all successfully done for the last several years to change culture.
But now comes the harder part, the boots on the ground building of something meaningful that people can have hope and optimism in again for our future.
I'm going to spill a little tea myself because there have been a lot of people over the years that want to come work at Daily Wire, which is great.
And a lot of them are terrific and everything, but I've thought, I don't know, you know, I'm not sure.
I'm not totally sure if that's going to work.
And then there are people that Daily Wire has looked at maybe hiring.
I don't know.
Eh, eh, maybe.
Eh, this and that.
I have long been very, very pro-Isabel Brown.
And I've been hoping that this was going to happen for a very long time.
So I'm just thrilled that it finally happened.
I think it's great.
So before I let you go, what's your view on things?
I mean, is obviously big political shift, generational shift going on.
So what does that mean?
You say, well, we got to figure out what the new American dream is, suggests the old conception of the American dream is fading away.
And every age has new conceptions of the country.
Nothing is new about that.
The newness is nothing new.
So what's it look like?
I mean, how's it changed?
I think the Daily Wire started now.
It makes me feel like an old man.
Now started 10 years ago.
And I first got involved in politics at a serious level.
I don't know, 16, 17?
No.
Yeah, something like that.
16, 17 years ago.
Anyway, and it's shifted.
What the right means has shifted.
What America understands herself to mean has shifted.
So where are we at now?
Where are we going?
Well, gosh, the definition of even a woman has shifted in that time.
So quite literally everything is up for grabs.
But really what I'm seeing is a generational shift championed by Gen Z. No offense to all of the millennials, yourself included, listening to this, Michael.
But it's been fascinating to see those of us under the age of about 28 or so really pick up the torch for what many are calling a 1776 style cultural revolution to reclaim the American dream and the values that built the foundation of Western civilization.
Now, that doesn't mean go backwards.
And I think that's a really important nuance here.
I think often conservatives or the right often yearn for the days of the good old 1950s when everything was picturesque in a postcard.
And we have this sense of nostalgia for that.
And those values are important, but we need to place them in the 2020s in a way that makes sense going forward into the future.
So what that looks like is really a sense of rebellion led by the next generation against the lies of the left that have championed virtually every cultural pillar in our country throughout my lifetime, be it the academic institutions in our country, the education system across the board, down to kindergarten classrooms now, the entertainment industry, the media, certainly politics, and even in many aspects, the church lying to us about the things that ultimately built great civilizations.
So now you're seeing young people want to embrace things like marriage.
Newsweek magazine says 93% of our generation still wants to get married.
Young people are having children earlier.
We're eating real food.
We're moving out of big cities and staking our own claim on land.
Look what happened just last week with our inheritance to our public lands and how resoundingly young people yearn for things like the National Park Service and exploration and rugged individualism, these concepts that have made the United States and Western society at large so great.
We're reclaiming those and putting them into the future in a way that we can be really optimistic and hopeful in again.
That's very exciting.
Also, one last thing, not to spill in details out of school, I can't help but notice, Isabel, the Daily Wire hires another Catholic.
It's weird at this point.
The company, the first host, the show that launched the company, is an Orthodox Jew.
The company has been run by evangelical Protestants, basically, the whole time.
And they only hire Catholics.
It's unbelievable.
This is a conspiracy.
The civil rights division of the DOJ needs to look into this for too much philo-Catholic prejudice.
I don't know.
It's great.
Is it a conspiracy, Michael, or is it indicative of the Catholic revival we're seeing in culture?
I don't know.
I think you're right.
If you look at anti-Catholic 19th century cartoons, political cartoons, it's just, you know, the Pope of Rome spreading his tentacles all over America, guilty as charged.
That's what I say.
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