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Feb. 25, 2023 - The Michael Knowles Show

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Ben Shapiro sits down with Michael Knowles to see how well they think they know each other. They must choose "Yes" or "No" when it comes to seed oils, nuclear war, and if the city of Atlantis really existed. Check it out! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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	Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
	And it's just a coincidence, half of the people are women.
	Ah, this is such a trap right here.
	One can read the question.
	One, two, three.
	Welcome back to another exciting episode, perhaps the most exciting episode of Yes or No?
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	We produce a game with your name on it?
	I don't know half of what goes on at this company.
	I thought you were plotting a game like Clue where I die.
	That's obviously in development.
	Can we do that?
	HR forbids.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Okay, now you are drinking.
	This is a peanut butter whiskey.
	It sounds delicious.
	It does, doesn't it?
	It sounds very...
	I'm pretty excited about it, honestly.
	Okay.
	First thing I've been excited about at this company for...
	I can't even tell you.
	Years.
	I can't even tell you.
	When it's a woman on the show, the lady goes first.
	Since you're a man, I will go first.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	First question.
	When we first met, I just knew that we would spend the majority of our adult working lives together.
	So you have to answer how you think I would answer.
	Okay, alright.
	Are we supposed to do this simultaneously?
	Yes.
	One, two, three.
	I mean, I figured that's how you would answer that, but I think that that's because you're a very optimistic and personality-mirroring fellow, and so literally every person that you meet, you think that's the case.
	This is my best friend now.
	100%.
	We'll be at an event, it'll be 10,000 people who'll be like, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this guy.
	I think that's actually fairly accurate.
	Did I get it right?
	You did.
	You did.
	I did.
	Because you said, this is a world with a good and loving God governing everything, and therefore I get to spend my working life with Michael.
	Yeah, no.
	Actually, I would have assumed it just because Jeremy is the one, I believe, who introduced us, and it was at Claven's house, and I was like, God, the chance is that I'm not working with this guy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, it's over.
	It's over.
	Well, now, we're only supposed to drink if we get it wrong.
	Oh, okay.
	But we can also drink if we get it right.
	Okay, well, I like that rule.
	That's good stuff.
	It's a nice martini.
	Okay, you're up.
	Okay, here we go.
	Okay.
	I'm supposed to answer this how I think you will answer this?
	Yes.
	Michael's wife is a doctor.
	Oh.
	And obviously you would say yes because you know the etymology of the word doctor.
	Such an asshole.
	It means a teacher.
	Yeah, no.
	No.
	Wait, no?
	No.
	Huh?
	No.
	What are you...
	Can she diagnose me with anything other than like a missing literature degree or something?
	Like, no?
	No, I don't...
	But...
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you conflating?
	Are you saying that...
	Am I also a doctor, Michael?
	You are.
	Oh, yes, you are a doctor.
	I'm a jurist doctor.
	You are.
	You are a jurist doctor.
	You're a teacher to millions of people on your show.
	You're a doctor much more...
	Like Dr.
	Fauci.
	That guy's not a doctor.
	Dr.
	Fauci...
	But Dr.
	Jill is totally a doctor.
	Dr.
	Jill...
	The greatest of all doctors.
	She's the greatest surgeon.
	That's true.
	She's an amazing doctor.
	She is.
	And the president.
	And she probably is the president.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	Well, I may have gotten that wrong.
	Okay.
	But either way, I'll drink.
	Okay, I'm up.
	Marijuana was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.
	I have a kind of edgy answer here, but I'm not going to say.
	What Michael would say about this.
	One, two, three.
	Yeah, no, I think that if I'm going to...
	I'll bet Michael goes with LSD. Like really, like the Timothy Leary LSD? I was thinking more Albigensianism was the gateway drug.
	Oh, you're really going obscure here.
	Okay, fine.
	It's not like the actual drug.
	Fine, okay.
	But yeah, I don't think that marijuana was the gateway drug to the Fall of Western.
	I think it was more symptomatic than causative.
	But if we're speaking only about drugs...
	If we're speaking only about drugs, then I think that's fair.
	And you're right about acid.
	That is...
	LSD... Those were the only drugs I was really interested in trying.
	I never tried them.
	Never tried anything harsher than the Peruvian parsley.
	But those interested me because they said, you see...
	You see all these things and dimensions.
	And I realized, yeah, you probably see demons.
	Well, you know, it's sort of...
	Marijuana was a drug that sort of was from the ground up in terms of usage.
	And LSD was more like the intellectual elites are using LSD and therefore all drug use is okay and the Beatles are using LSD. And that means it's really cool.
	So I think that I'd say I'd go with LSD. LSD, yeah.
	I really liked McCartney had this great reaction to LSD, which is I guess John wanted him to do it.
	And then McCartney, he said, John said, you know, it changes your brain.
	You're never the same.
	And McCartney said...
	Well, you know, I kind of like my brain.
	I don't know if I want to change my brain.
	I had that thought, too, as a kid.
	I was like...
	I'm not some Adonis.
	I'm not going to be lifting big rocks in my life.
	So if my brain gets broken, I'm just completely screwed.
	I do remember that time when you were eating nothing but meat in the LA office in a desperate attempt to bulk up for a movie we never made.
	I do remember that.
	While you weren't an Adonis, I do remember you.
	And all that happened to you is you got slightly fatter.
	I got more than slightly fat.
	You did not get more muscular.
	You just looked fat.
	I gained 20 pounds.
	None of it was muscle.
	I looked at you and I was like, aren't you supposed to be like...
	So I followed a regimen for this movie that we never made.
	I followed a regimen.
	It was like a Ziploc bag of meat.
	You bring it in every day.
	And a pizza.
	I would eat an extra large pizza almost every day.
	And so I'm sitting there eating.
	I did cut my body fat.
	I actually did.
	My body fat went down.
	But I became like a big fat guy.
	But then I made one mistake, which is you're supposed to bulk, bulk, bulk.
	And then you're supposed to cut, right?
	Well, see, that's the trick.
	And I never quite...
	Made it to that.
	But I'm glad I at least fundamentally changed my body chemistry for a movie that never happened.
	Yeah, that was good.
	All right.
	Yeah, okay.
	Thank you.
	I'll drink to that memory.
	Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
	And it's just a coincidence half of the people are women.
	The wisdom of Jack Nicholson.
	This is such a trap right here.
	It's a trap mainly because I have to answer for you, right?
	You have to answer for me.
	I have to answer for you.
	Currently half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
	And it's just a coincidence that half of them are women.
	It's kind of weird.
	I assume it's being sarcastic.
	One can read the question.
	One, two, three.
	That's right.
	I think Knowles is more of a sexist than he thinks I am.
	This is basically how this comes down.
	I was just going to say no because it's not a coincidence.
	Right.
	Okay, so nailed it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	All right.
	The acceptance...
	By the way, in that card, at the very least, you have to distinguish married women from single women.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well...
	You mean in the sense that when a man and a woman come together, they unite as one flesh And so therefore, one does not distinguish between qualities that would be attributed to the man.
	I don't know.
	I'm just asking for clarification.
	All I'm saying is that married women vote in more family-oriented and conservative ways than single women.
	But you went directly to the husband is the master of his household and the owner of his wife.
	So I didn't really expect it to go that way.
	There's been this debate that's cropped up in some recent years, which is should we repeal the 19th Amendment or not?
	Who's having this debate except for you?
	It's mostly Ann Coulter.
	It's mainly Ann.
	But I brought it up to Elisa and I said...
	The argument that Anne is making is if we repeal the 19th Amendment, she would lose her right to vote, but the country overall would vote in a better way.
	Right.
	Statistically, because the women vote for Dems.
	But then there are these other proposals.
	What if we go back to a time when it's only families who are voting?
	Only one family.
	But then I thought, well, that totally screws us over because then all the single people outnumber us and then they're going to win all the elections.
	But...
	But what if it's quite the opposite?
	What if it's only single women lose the right to vote?
	And married women get two rights to vote.
	Why don't we just move on to the next question here?
	Because it's just a trap, dude.
	It's just a trap.
	Okay.
	The acceptance of sex robots and dolls is a necessary step toward limiting sex work and criminal pedophilic behavior.
	It's actually a kind of serious question.
	- A necessary step.
	That is kind of a...
	You made me think about it too long.
	If I just started to think about it, I'd have been like, naturally...
	Okay, here we go.
	One, two, three.
	I think you're going to make the affirmative case that in fact it is necessary.
	No, I actually...
	I say no.
	You say no.
	The reason I say no...
	Even though, you know, the sex bots, like Austin Powers, they seem kind of titillating and everything.
	The reason I say no is because the argument presumes that human beings are like steam engines.
	We just have to blow off steam, right?
	But that's not actually how vice and virtue work.
	Vice and virtue work, where you do more vice and you want to do more, like you do drugs and you want to do more drugs, you do more virtue, and hopefully it's slightly easier.
	So if you give a bunch of weird sex people all these dolls to do whatever they want with, I don't think it's going to make them better.
	I think it's going to make them just go further into their depravity.
	Okay, so watch as I make the counterargument.
	The counterargument is that the amount of sexually aggressive behavior by single men has gone down over the course of time to a certain extent because they are locked up in their rooms with their computers.
	Yep.
	I mean, I think that you can make that argument out.
	Does that mean it's moral or good?
	No.
	I think all of it is bad, and I think the solution to all of it is virtue and marriage.
	St.
	Thomas and, I guess, St.
	Augustine make a similar argument about prostitution, where they say...
	It's sometimes misinterpreted that they're saying we should have legalized prostitution, which is not what they're saying.
	But the argument against outlawing prostitution...
	Is that if you don't have some outlet for these lustful men, then society will just be convulsed by lust.
	By the way, I think that this is the direction that society will move almost inevitably anyway.
	Because I think that we're like five seconds away from the left basically deciding that pedophilia is a form of sexual identity.
	You mean minor attraction?
	Minor attraction, yeah.
	I think the left's going to go for that in a matter of about 27 seconds to go.
	I think they're already there.
	That's dark, that's dark.
	That's a dark drink.
	That's worth drinking.
	Yeah, that's bad.
	Alright.
	I wish everyone would just shut up about seed oils.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	There we go.
	One, two, three.
	Oh no.
	You love seed oils?
	Well, I hate them.
	I love talking about them.
	You like talking about seed oils?
	This is a kind of a somewhat recent conversion for me.
	I've never bought into any diet fad or any of these hippie...
	Seed oils are of the devil.
	They are the cause of every problem in the world.
	Wow.
	Almost.
	Almost.
	I would say 99%.
	I am so...
	I'm so won over on this.
	Now, your wife is a doctor, so obviously you know that.
	I mean, I assumed it was crap, but then I dismissed it like every other stupid idea that I ever heard.
	Also, I'm sick of people making products from things that don't produce that product naturally.
	Yes.
	Like, oats are not for milk.
	Yes.
	And neither are almonds.
	And neither are soybeans, as it turns out.
	None of these things produce milk.
	And so if you give me a glass of milk that is made from a thing that doesn't produce milk, I'm suspicious.
	If it doesn't have udders...
	Right.
	Like, olives produce oil.
	And seeds generally do not produce oil.
	So I don't know what seed oil is.
	Do you know what canola oil actually is?
	Oh, no.
	It's called rapeseed.
	Wow.
	It is.
	That's the name.
	All the others.
	Soy, bean, oil, all these other oils that are...
	And when you want to stop using them, You can't.
	They're in every food.
	They're in every single food.
	Are they perhaps turning the frogs gay?
	Probably, yeah.
	I looked at one product in the grocery store.
	Are they making the chickens sterile?
	Well, that and fire.
	Fire is also turning the chickens.
	Fire, yeah.
	Turning them into crispy little nuggets in their hatcheries.
	Not the avian flu.
	But I was in a grocery store, and they had a thing of some seed oil nonsense.
	And it said, it called it plant butter.
	Plant butter?
	Where do you get the butter from the plant?
	No, that's terrible.
	That's terrible.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, let me drink to that.
	There's no seed oil in my martini, that's for sure.
	Though there might be in the peanut butter.
	There might be.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I'm taller.
	But we can't stand up, too.
	It's just I'm taller?
	It's I'm taller.
	So you have to say, do I agree with that statement?
	Oh, do you agree with the statement that you are taller?
	I... Yes, but who is the I? Right, exactly.
	I am the Wallace.
	This objective becomes very, yeah.
	I'm taller, so you should answer as though I said that statement.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Ready, get set, go.
	Oh, I think we're going to have to move that.
	Really?
	You think you're taller?
	Oh, yeah.
	But you certainly think that you're taller.
	100%.
	Because all guys...
	Absolutely.
	Every guy under six foot, at least under six foot, they'll say, hey, how tall are you?
	And you'll say, I'm 5'10.034".
	That's true.
	I'm practically six foot.
	It totally depends also on how you're wearing your hair.
	So right now, you're wearing like a pompadour.
	You've got like the John Kerry.
	You've got at least four inches here.
	Yes, I do.
	I mean, it's like a beehive from the 1960s.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, it's true.
	They're actual creatures living in there.
	There are, yeah.
	Sweet little groupies, like from the 1960s.
	There's like a rat under there, and it's controlling how you cook.
	Yeah, a little more height, please.
	Give me a little, okay.
	We'll never know until the game is over, and then we'll be lying down on the floor, just sloshed.
	I was hoping you'd finish the sentence in that way.
	Okay, here we go.
	Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.
	Okay, ready?
	What I think you're going to say?
	What you think I'm going to say, but I'm actually somewhat unsure of what you would say.
	Yeah.
	Okay, ready, get set, go.
	You are correct.
	I don't think Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.
	The First Amendment is for political speech.
	That is what it is for.
	And by the way, it's not protected on the state level.
	It's protected...
	First of all, I don't believe in the incorporation doctrine.
	So there's that.
	For people who don't...
	Okay, so the First Amendment of the United States Constitution says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
	It does not say anything about states making laws abridging the freedom of speech.
	Now, many states have their own provisions along these lines, but...
	Abridgements of speech are extraordinarily common at the local and city level, even at the state level.
	For all of American history.
	Right, exactly.
	The notion the founders were sitting around like, we have to protect the Satanists, the Satanists must be protected, is absolute absurdity.
	They wouldn't have considered it freedom of speech.
	They would have considered it essentially the same as pornography, I think.
	And so I would have a hard time believing that the founders were sitting around being like, we have to protect Satanism.
	Especially not under freedom of religion, which they would have thought.
	Freedom of religion encompassed known religions.
	It didn't encompass things like worship of the devil.
	We were just talking about John Locke, who...
	He has this...
	He gets a worse rap than he deserves because he's sometimes described as the...
	He's not John Stuart Mill.
	They make him out like he's John Stuart Mill.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And he's really not.
	And especially in the essay concerning toleration, Locke says, we need free speech.
	Everyone needs to have some free speech.
	Except for those damn dirty atheists who should be totally ostracized from society.
	He's kind of based, you know?
	Sort of...
	He's a based John Locke.
	All righty.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I am more than 50% certain that Atlantis was a real place and was destroyed by a natural disaster.
	Oh, okay.
	I know what you're going to say here.
	You know what I'm going to say.
	But I don't know what you're going to say.
	Yeah, I mean, we're just going to put something...
	Yeah, that's obviously...
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm very Atlantis-pilled.
	I'm very semiotics-pilled.
	Like, there is no...
	But...
	That's correct.
	I'm going to go...
	No.
	You're anti...
	I'm anti-Atlantis.
	Are you pro...
	The word is problematic, but are you pro-historical flood?
	Historical regional flood, not historical global flood.
	But regional could encompass the entire Middle East?
	It could encompass Mesopotamia, I guess, because there's a similar narrative in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
	And other contemporaneous accounts, so yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	We'll get you on Atlantis.
	Oh, this is going to be an easy one for both of us.
	Here we go.
	You ready?
	Catholic doctrine in its current form, including papal infallibility, mariology, and transubstantiation, can easily be found in penumbras and enumerations in the Old and New Testaments.
	Welp!
	Hold on, I want to make sure that I read every word of that properly.
	In conjunction with the poem.
	Okay, ready?
	Set, go.
	Oh, Ben, you got it wrong.
	Really?
	Okay, so which part of it is not in the...
	You got it wrong.
	It's not found in penembras and...
	I mean, it's directly in the text of the Old Testament.
	When it's not explicitly in the text.
	1200 years before Christ.
	Yes, but it is written in the type of and in the prefiguring and the prophecy of.
	And then Christ, in the New Testament, says, Peter, here are the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
	What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.
	What you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
	Where's the emanation there, buddy?
	It's right there in the text.
	Whatever Protestant wrote that question, Ben Davies.
	Outrageous.
	I like that he didn't just restrict it to the New Testament.
	I like that he's not like the Old Testament also.
	Yes.
	In the five books of Moses.
	Yeah.
	Clear references to papal infallibility.
	Of course.
	In the five books of...
	Well, papal infallibility...
	All right, maybe not papal infallibility.
	Well...
	I haven't given it enough.
	I certainly would say that there are references to Christ in the five books.
	Of course you would.
	I, by the way, would not.
	Just for the record.
	I know I'm surprising everyone here, but that's what the hat means.
	What do you think about the Hadith?
	We haven't even gotten into the Hadith or the Surahs.
	Okay, so before this turns into a crusade, why don't we...
	Okay, this is mine.
	Oh, great.
	This one kind of applies to me, too, though.
	We've all done things we aren't proud of, and no one should feel embarrassed for dabbling in libertarianism in their wayward youth.
	No one should feel embarrassed for dabbling in libertarianism.
	I'm going to go with...
	Meaning?
	Meaning, I think that you would say that people should be embarrassed for...
	Yes, correct.
	And I think that you don't think people should be embarrassed.
	So, I think that everybody should be embarrassed for being wrong.
	So, the answer is, I don't think that you should be I think that it is semi-natural for 18 to 25-year-olds to dabble in libertarianism.
	Yes.
	And also, you should admit that you were wrong.
	Interesting.
	Okay, so I got it wrong.
	I'm big on embarrassment, so I like embarrassment.
	I think that being embarrassed for things that you've done in the past that were stupid, I think, is generally a good thing, which is why, again, I have a giant list on the website of all the stupid things I've ever said.
	I didn't know if you were going to go softer on libertarianism.
	No, I mean, I think that libertarianism...
	Is an ideology that requires lack of real, on-the-ground understanding of how human beings work.
	And when you're young, it's attractive specifically because of that.
	In the same way that homo economicus is, you know...
	Yes, yes.
	Like, I understand it.
	I understand it as a model.
	Also, it's not quite operative in the real world.
	Right, that's a great point.
	Because it's...
	You know, there's that old line, if you're not a liberal when you're 17, you're hard.
	But I do think it...
	You could say it about libertarianism.
	Well, libertarianism is the easy way out, right?
	Libertarianism is like, you don't want to be a busybody, so you just say, hands off.
	And all your friends are like, well, he is a libertarian, so he's leaving us alone.
	And so it's very easy to be casual about that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And, yeah.
	I mean, again, I get it.
	I have a lot of friends who are libertarians.
	I went through a phase.
	I went through my phase.
	We all did.
	We all had that phase.
	We all had that phase, you know?
	Yeah.
	I refer to it, and I did at the time, as like, it's a way to be able to say, look, there's something wrong with the modern crazy left.
	And I'm kind of a conservative, but I'm not like that.
	I'm not like the bad kind of conservative.
	Right.
	It's more like they won't call me judgmental if I just say, do what you want to do on your own time kind of thing.
	Pour one out for the libertarian days.
	Wow.
	This is very funny.
	My early career hairstyle was worse.
	Hmm.
	I think that's the first question that's had a picture.
	It is, it is.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All right, so what I think you would say.
	How you would answer.
	How I would answer, okay.
	I'm going to say...
	Okay, ready, get set, go.
	I agree.
	I think we can all agree that my early hairstyle was worse.
	Because the thing is, in my MSNBC show, for all the criticisms that have been made of it, and my pantsuits, and my glasses...
	I felt my hair was always just totally on frame.
	Has your hair ever changed?
	I feel like your hair has been this way since we've known each other.
	It's been a long time.
	I mean, even what's really weird...
	Your gender has, obviously.
	But I think that you're...
	What's really weird is...
	So I could say, just even had I not looked at the picture, my hairstyle has not changed since I was six.
	I've had the same haircut.
	And previously, before that, my hair was just a little bit more to the side.
	But it was almost the same.
	Oddly enough, though, the same could be said of the picture.
	It's always kind of...
	It's all been in the same general...
	Right.
	Again, I don't think your hair has changed all that much.
	My hair has changed dramatically because for most of my youth, I was like, how do people get their hair to stay up like that?
	And I didn't realize that people use product in their hair.
	This was just not like a...
	Did you not use any product?
	When I was a kid, no.
	Oh, wow.
	I was like 10.
	Right.
	My dad never used product, and my dad doesn't care.
	I mean, you know my dad.
	My dad does not care about his appearance at all.
	He's not a drop of vanity.
	Not none, right?
	I have to convince him that he should wear suits that are remotely his size kind of thing.
	And so I didn't understand that people wore product in their hair.
	And then when I discovered this magic, I was like, ah, your hair doesn't have to look like sloppy Hitler hair.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, it's very edgy.
	That's like punk rock era.
	Yeah, if it had been slightly more emo, it might have worked, but it just didn't work.
	Instead, it was just like clean cut.
	If Nick Cannon and the documentary Hebrews to Negroes taught us anything, it's that Jesus was black because he was Jewish.
	Well, that's a conditional.
	If it taught us anything.
	Yeah.
	If my grandma had wheels, she'd be white.
	Right, exactly.
	Because it's a conditional, I feel like...
	If?
	I'm just going to go no on that, because there's literally nothing to any of that.
	Now you're going to go to the conditional?
	Okay, fine.
	If we're into the conditionality and we're going to use basic symbolic logic here, then yes.
	I mean, yes, that's true.
	Also, Jesus was not black, and he was Jewish, and...
	That documentary is crazy.
	It's also, if...
	This is, again, this is like the pedantic episode.
	Well, I mean, how is it not going to be?
	How is it not going to be?
	Yeah, exactly.
	If a Christian wrote that card, as many Christians often do, they'll say, Jesus was this, Jesus was that.
	If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus Christ is alive, is resurrected, ascended bodily into heaven.
	So you'd use the present tense.
	You would say, Jesus is...
	I don't think you would say Jesus is black, unless you watched the Nick Cannon documentary on the Hebrews or something.
	Would you say Jesus is Jewish now?
	Probably not.
	He's Jewish in the sense that, like, I'm trying to think of a famous convert.
	It would be...
	Andrew Klavan.
	Andrew Klavan?
	Yeah, no, that's right.
	That's a good...
	Well, what a softball.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, and I would say that in the sense that Andrew Klavan is, like, right, I'm...
	Oh, yeah, no, I'll say Andrew Klavan is...
	He remains ethnically Jewish.
	This is something that also...
	Oh, I mean, according to us, he remains religiously Jewish, and he's got a price to pay, so...
	But we'll get into this on another episode of Hell or Not with Andrew Klavan, yes.
	I mean...
	Yeah, Drew, I like your vote, but you're going to hell.
	Drew has made a very extreme bet here, right?
	Like...
	He was like, oh, Pascal's wager.
	Usually there's no downside to Pascal's wager, but they're good theoretically for Drew.
	For your people.
	For my people.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This was an issue.
	Did you ever hear people say, well, Jesus, he could be depicted as black, or he could be depicted as Chinese, or he could be depicted as Chinese.
	And I even see this in Catholic institutions.
	And it drives me crazy, because I think the whole point is that the guy is incarnate.
	Right.
	So, not being a Christian theologian, that would seem to be the point.
	If he takes a specific bodily form, then depicting him as a random bodily form seems to defeat the purpose.
	Yes.
	Because otherwise, we may as well just not have him take bodily form.
	Yes.
	Then he could be everything.
	It's like the incarnation of the whole thing.
	Because that's what God is.
	So, yes.
	I was talking to a Catholic friend of mine, and he said, oh, I don't mind when people depict Jesus as any race or anything.
	He probably looks like my Moroccan father-in-law.
	He's probably a shorts-worthy Jewish guy from the Middle East.
	I think he looks like the guy on the Shroud of Turin, because I think the Shroud of Turin is legit.
	But it's like, the guy on the Shroud of Turin looks like a Jewish guy.
	He doesn't look like a Native American, doesn't look like an Eskimo, doesn't look like a...
	A Nordic.
	A Nordic.
	Right, that's right.
	He's not German.
	He's not German, yeah.
	There is an amazing, sort of an aside, now that we're going through artistic depictions of Jesus.
	Have you ever been to Iceland?
	No, I've not been to Iceland.
	So in Iceland, there's this church.
	I don't know what kind.
	It's Lutheran or something.
	And it looks like a Viking ship.
	And then in the church, there is this statue of Jesus that looks like the most Viking Jesus you've ever seen.
	And then there's a prayer right behind it on the wall.
	And it says, we pray to Jesus that you protect us from the chaos and death Okay, so if that had been the original pitch...
	That kind of kicks ass.
	I mean, I gotta be honest.
	That's kind of awesome.
	In 2023, it is somehow more of an indictment to graduate Harvard than it is to graduate Yale.
	Ooh.
	Uh...
	Got to go through all the episodes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, undergraduate or law school.
	I'll just do the whole institution.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say that...
	It is more an indictment to graduate Harvard than Yale.
	I hate to say it.
	I'm actually...
	I don't like taking pot shots at my alma mater, even though it's gone totally nuts, because I find it sort of distasteful.
	But...
	The Yale Law School event, where the law school, this is supposed to be the creme de la creme, the brightest minds, and they screamed and threw a fit because Kristen Wagoner from ADF came in to talk about religious liberty and they behaved like...
	Animal children jumping up and down, you know, shrieking.
	There's no good answer to this question.
	I think that we should both be ashamed of our alma maters, is the truth.
	Because, like, really, like, of course I'm going to say Harvard because that's the one I've been focused on.
	When I see a Harvard headline, it pops out to me because I went to Harvard Law.
	And for you, I think Yale pops out at you because you went to Yale.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But they're both, it may be a selection issue here.
	It could be.
	Yeah, it could be.
	That's true.
	Poor old Eli.
	We both should have gone to...
	Mm-hmm.
	State University.
	To Hillsdale.
	To Ave Maria.
	Now to Florida State.
	What's the one that DeSantis is just describing?
	College of...
	New College.
	Yeah, I think it's New College.
	It's amazing.
	That's where all our kids are going.
	Yeah, Florida's the best, man.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'm up.
	The Ark of the Covenant is likely hidden away at the Vatican or at the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion.
	Is that the one in...
	You're asking the wrong dude.
	And not simply lost somewhere in the sands of time.
	Okay.
	So we're talking about...
	Like, where is the Ark of the Covenant now?
	Yes.
	So it's basically that it's at a physical place somewhere in the world and not just lost at the sands of time.
	But I think specifically they're asking about the Vatican.
	The Vatican or...
	Right.
	Again, it's a little vaguely worded.
	So do you want to just do...
	We'll change it.
	It's in a physical place.
	It is not lost in the sands of time.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Ready, set, go.
	I'm kind of convinced by the Ethiopian guys.
	I mean, I also...
	You know, the Christians believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant.
	So it's...
	The wording is also a little tricky.
	Yeah, for you guys.
	But in terms of the OG, I'm...
	It's hard for me to believe it just got totally destroyed.
	I don't know.
	It seems very important.
	Yeah.
	So there have been two major going theories in the Jewish community as to where the Ark of the Covenant is.
	One of them is that it's buried in the Temple Mount somewhere because the Jews saw the Romans coming and they're like, we are squirreling this away and the easiest place to put this is somewhere underneath here, which has been a going theory for a very long time.
	And then the secondary theory is that you guys have it.
	That's at the Vatican.
	Really?
	Yeah, because there have been long-standing rumors that the Vatican inherited much of the wealth of the Roman Empire, and so after the fall of Judea, a lot of that stuff ended up being kept by the Catholic Church.
	Wow.
	And they're not big on, like, actually showing their archives.
	Like, here's the stuff we've got down here.
	Yeah.
	Never not like that.
	I feel like I would love to, like...
	Yeah.
	Because it's like you go into the museums and you're like, oh, there's that Raphael painting.
	But I don't know, man.
	You've got the Ark of the Covenant.
	You're probably putting that in the special locker area.
	Right, exactly.
	I mean, if somebody were to have it, the Catholics aren't a horrible bet, considering that when you go through Rome, one of my favorite things is where it's just a giant Egyptian obelisk, and then, boom, stick a cross on it.
	It's like, this is ours now, bitches.
	Yeah.
	This is always for us.
	This was ours.
	Literally, you're just walking through all this giant Egyptian obelisk.
	Boop!
	And you're like, oh, now it's Christian.
	Okay.
	It wouldn't be super out of character.
	I've got to go looking.
	Next time I'm in...
	Next time you're with your papal friends.
	Yeah.
	Come on, I'm cool.
	Tell me what the room is.
	Exactly.
	Where's the secret room?
	Okay.
	The Nephilim, I don't know how you pronounce it in English, Nephilim, of the Old Testament.
	I was going to say Nephilim, but I kind of like Nephilim.
	Nephilim, I don't know.
	Nephilim, I hardly know it.
	The Nephilim of the Old Testament were probably also what the Greeks called demigods or superhuman heroes, such as Achilles, Hercules, or Perseus.
	I have to try and figure out what you're going to say to this.
	Okay, one, two, three, go.
	Like, maybe.
	I'm not saying there was this specific Nephilim that was Achilles.
	No, no.
	They're like quasi-superhero mythical creature.
	Yeah.
	I mean, even to the point that I'm enough into...
	The relationship between symbols and the visible, tangible world.
	If you told me that Hercules was a guy, or like a kind of a guy, that was walking around and there was his footprint over there, I could believe that.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, I go no on this.
	Obviously, I'm more of a rationalist.
	And so, yeah, I think that the passage in Genesis where it talks about the Nephilim and how they're marrying the children of men and all of this kind of stuff, that that's actually making fun of...
	Prior idolatrous cultures because the way that, not to get into an abstruse biblical discussion here, but here we go.
	But not to do that.
	Right.
	Here's the quick rundown.
	Quick rundown is when the Bible says that man is made in God's image, that is a direct rebuttal to many of the ancient texts which say the king is made in God's image.
	So the commoners are not.
	Only the king is.
	The commoners are nothing.
	So the Bible is making fun of the idea that the sons of the B'nai Elohim, the sons of the gods or the Nephilim, that these people are greater than everybody else.
	Nafal literally means fallen.
	That's what it means in Hebrew.
	And so the idea that there's this higher caste of people who mingle with the commoners, it's basically attempting to rip on the idea of class and social distinction in the eyes of God.
	That's very interesting.
	Do you think there was...
	Like, to go very rationalist or kind of modern anthropologists, do you think it could be referring to, like, Neanderthals or anything like that?
	I doubt it, because, again, it was written presumably, like, 3,000 years ago, so the knowledge of Neanderthals would have been pretty limited.
	But there are these moments, like, Thomas Aquinas does this, where he's...
	I think it was...
	Maybe it's Augustine.
	But it's...
	One of those guys.
	Yeah, your reference is 50-50 shot.
	That's right, yeah, yeah.
	Maybe, I think it was Augustine, is walking on the beach and he says, I found a molar that was 40 times the size of human molars.
	And so people think, did he find a fossil?
	Did he find it was a tooth of a giant?
	Was it some kind of weird ape-like pre...
	I don't know.
	I just wonder what the historical...
	Was he a dentist?
	Was he a dentist?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	That's a very interesting take on the nephilim, though.
	I kind of like that.
	Unfortunately, science has become more of a religion than a tool of systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world.
	Okay.
	One, two, three.
	Indeed.
	Duh.
	That's an easy one.
	Duh.
	I'm not even going to drink for that one.
	Yeah, I know.
	I mean, I will.
	You deserve a drink.
	Okay.
	We're getting close to the end of this pile.
	Uh-oh.
	It gives an endless pile of questions here.
	The war in Ukraine is more likely to end in some form of nuclear strike than with Russia conceding all land back to Ukraine.
	Wow, those are the two binary options?
	Yeah, and does that end on Crimea, by the way?
	Let's say it does not include Crimea.
	Crimea is gone.
	Okay, Crimea is gone.
	It's more likely to end in a nuclear strike.
	Okay, one, two, three, see...
	So, yeah.
	This is how I know that you're not a complete Russia show.
	Because...
	Wait, you're saying that I am not totally carrying water for Tsar Putin?
	Right, exactly.
	No, whenever people say, like, this thing is definitely going to nuclear strike, it's like, um...
	No.
	It is almost certainly not.
	Almost certainly it will not.
	Correct.
	And the other thing is, like, Putin's a shrewd guy.
	He's a very shrewd guy.
	But, like...
	He's not completely insane.
	Right.
	And that would be a completely insane thing to do.
	It would be nuts, because he would not know what comes next, and we would not know what comes next, but it would not be good for him.
	It would definitely not be good for him.
	That is the one thing that is for sure.
	It would not be amazing for Vladimir.
	The thing that comes next for him is the end of The Sopranos, where the screen goes.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Oh, no.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah, this one...
	Your producers are just...
	Whoever created this is just determined to get us banned from all social media.
	Andrew Tate's only real crime was trolling a mentally ill young Swedish woman on Twitter.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	So this one goes behind the paywall for subscribers, is what I'm sensing right here.
	Who would ever use such a phrase?
	I do not know.
	What cruel and inhumane man would ever say such a thing?
	At least we're not on TV right now.
	Yeah, that's true.
	We're not on cable TV. Okay, um...
	Okay, I'm gonna...
	One, two, three.
	I'm gonna let Michael off the hook on this one.
	Yeah.
	LAUGHTER I would also say, I mean, look, we don't know what Tate did or whatever, but he has bragged about being a pimp fraudster.
	Right.
	Which is, like, usually a good indicator that you're a pimp fraudster is when you brag about it a lot.
	Like, that's...
	By the way, are you more of a fraudster if you brag about being a pimp fraudster or if you brag about being a pimp fraudster and you are not a pimp fraudster?
	Which makes you more of a fraud.
	I don't actually know the answer.
	Yeah, if his argument now is just like, no, I was totally lying.
	Right.
	It's like Knights and Naves.
	I don't know the answer to this question.
	Well, either way, it was a great martini.
	Ben, to your health.
	Do we know who won?
	I don't think there was a winner.
	Of course we don't.
	But we both won.
	Wait, I think the audience won.
	I think the audience really won.
	And the YouTube censors will now be able to demonetize all Daily Wire content for the rest of history.
	They won too.
	Before that happens, guys, buy your game to take home, yes or no, dailywire.com slash shop.

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