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Dec. 27, 2021 - The Michael Knowles Show
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Honest Comedy In America | Comedian Ryan Long

Michael Knowles talks with comedian Ryan Long. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I've always really enjoyed Ryan Long's comedy.
I think it's very, very funny.
But increasingly, it is taking on the character of prophecy.
And you've seen this before with his sketches about, I don't know, the vaccines or about COVID or about wokeism or whatever.
But he did one that was really on the money.
Ryan did a masterclass On a neocon defense contracting war criminal nation building type of individual.
And I don't know, like five minutes later, Masterclass announces that it is in fact hosting a class with Hillary Clinton.
This, I don't know how, unless he has a crystal ball, he could have known this.
Ryan, thank you for coming on.
Hey, yeah, what would she say?
She's in the trailer.
She was doing the speech that like would have been in that crazy.
That's like a dude.
Yeah, you get married and then like the divorce goes and you go, you give a class on marriage and you go, you know, this is the speech I almost gave at my wedding.
This would have been my 50th anniversary speech that the toast at our party.
Yeah, we broke up after two years, fairly dramatically, actually, but had we made it to 50 years, this is the kind of stuff I would have been saying.
You know, this brings up, actually, one of my favorite sketches that you did recently, that it was hilarious, but it got to a really important philosophical and anthropological point that men do not appreciate.
It was on the phrase, one of my least favorite phrases in the English language, happy wife, happy life.
Yeah, the gist was the guy that just consistently says, happy wife, happy life, and by the end of it, you're just like 100% a simp.
Because obviously, yeah, I mean, there's obviously a point underneath where...
Any proper working relationship with a person or a wife or whatever, you're going to have to argue to some degree.
But I find that what people do, dudes, they go, they'll bottle it all in and just take it, take it, take it, and then just blow up and they go, I'm putting my foot down!
And then you've got to make some big stink about nothing when really it was 100 issues at the same time.
No, just be kind of cool all the time.
We're like, hey, what's going on here?
You know, you have like a fight about something, but you let it go.
And then it's like the girl that says, hey, I don't want you going out with your friends on Tuesday.
And you go, all right, whatever.
And then, you know, she's like, no, Thursday.
And then by the end of it, you're like, she goes, I need you to come out because my mom's getting married again.
And I need you to come to the wedding.
And you go, I am going out.
Didn't you end up making a stink about something ridiculous?
Yeah.
I have my wing night and I will change for not that you've pushed me to the edge.
This is it.
I am putting my knuckles on the floor and dragging.
Because you don't need to be a knuckle dragger.
Just to your point, the phrase...
It's not even true.
If happy wife, happy life means appease your wife in all of her unreasonable and disordered demands and desires, that will not make your life happy.
It won't make her life happy either.
It's just...
The guys who tell me happy wife, happy life, they're generally not the happiest guys.
This is even why...
Or they have awesome wives.
Or it's a dude that his wife kind of rules and he's happy wife, happy life.
You're like, well yeah, easy to say.
She's pretty reasonable.
You don't have that battle axe that I've got hanging around.
This is why I'm skeptical of man caves even.
Look, some man caves, they're very beautiful.
Some of my friends have incredible man caves, so I like that.
But the idea of the man cave is...
I gotta escape.
You don't have any place in your house.
You have to go to a subterranean dungeon so that you can watch football and eat wings or whatever because your wife will just banish you if you try to...
What happened to a man's home is his castle.
You know what?
It's always like a matching thing, even with employees, because I have some buddies that are pushover guys.
You know, whatever.
Certain people, it's not always the bad characteristic.
A lot of times it's why people like them, because they're kind of down for whatever, right?
But in those kind of scenarios, and people are always like, well, you need to put your foot down, don't take s*** from her.
The truth is, if you're the type of guy that's always agreeable like that, what you really need is to find a nice person that doesn't take advantage of people like that.
You know what I mean?
I see some of these crazy girls and I'm like, I think I can handle that because I'm down.
I'm like the type of guy that's like, I'm down to argue.
If you want to argue, let's argue.
But if you're the type of guy that's not, you need to find a person that's not going to take advantage of you nonstop.
That's right.
Rather than totally change your own personality, you just need to not marry a predator.
Well, you know, there's this weird thing.
I was just talking to my friend Michael Anton, who's a great political philosopher and writer over at Claremont, and he pointed out that we're living in kind of upside-down world right now.
In this very unprecedented time where everything that is supposedly beautiful is actually ugly.
And you look at it on the billboards and even lingerie models now.
You look at a billboard in Times Square and it's like the ugliest thing.
Fattest, most grotesquely naked person.
I kind of have no chill in this country, right?
It went straight from...
There's no moderation.
It went from every model looks like a twig and she's puking out breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
You know what I mean?
I got to go throw up because I ate a grape to like I'm modeling the biggest piece of fabric in the history of the world.
There's no in-between, no balance.
I guess we're just very extreme.
Because I was trying to think, you know, it hit me with the marriages, because we went from this world in which a man's home is his castle, and, you know, a man is the ruler of the roost, to if a man ever expresses an opinion in his home, that he's basically a psychopath patriarch and needs to be booted to the street.
Not in my home!
In comedy now, we're told that jokes are not funny, but Nanette and that woman, the least funny woman of all time, she's the funniest woman ever, and that tragedy actually is the new comedy.
And then it just got me thinking about the billboards, and even the buildings.
Hideous, brutalist buildings are beautiful buildings, and all the beautiful classical architecture in D.C. basically has to be knocked down.
It's like, I sort of live like a weird pirate life and a lot of it comes to like normalizing outliers where it's like, you know, that's actually the good thing, but it never, it doesn't really help because even if you think of Nanette, like, yeah, I guess they like pushed it, but it also created like such a backlash, what it always does, right?
But you know that show...
Okay, there's this show, Love Island.
It's like a girl's show, right?
And it's like a bunch of hot people, right?
And so they've always...
On these shows that are essentially a bunch of hot people, they pick the people.
They've been trying to introduce non-traditionally attractive people.
And pretty decent looking for normal.
So they'll have supermodel, supermodel, supermodel, Walmart customer, supermodel, right?
And then...
So the dudes don't want to get in trouble.
So you see the guys, they kind of go up and they go...
You know, everyone was good.
I felt that I had a bit more of a traction with the five supermodels, gotta be honest.
You're like, who is this helping?
And then every year a girl like kills herself because they get bullied on the internet and the show kind of is like bullying's bad.
But also it's like if you said a 12 year old was like pretty good at basketball, right?
And then you put them in the NBA and then every day you're like, he's the best player in the NBA. Everyone would be like, yo, I hate this 12.
You know what I mean?
And all of a sudden everyone's like talking trash on the 12 year old.
And then the kind of idea is like, why are you guys being mean?
It's like, no, because they're mad that this thing's getting like pushed in their face.
So I don't know if you try to just like upset like reality too much.
I think it generally kind of backlashes even when you're talking about that you can't say jokes and stuff like the truth is like there's probably more of a like a want for people to hear like wild stuff when you do comedy clubs because of that.
You know, because people feel like maybe you can't stay at a jobs or whatever.
Whereas probably in the 90s or whatever, when it was like most accepted, there was almost like a genre of like the wild comedy, like we're saying, outrageous stuff.
It was almost gross.
It's kind of like when you do like an edgy show and they go, this is the like edgy, we're saying everything.
And then your instinct there is like, I don't want to say it now.
That's gross.
No, well, that was what Norm MacDonald did at the Bob Saget roast, right?
Everyone was just saying all these filthy, disgusting, anatomical things, and Norm gets up and does a joke about how Saget's head looked like cauliflower, and he was doing all these, like, Dean Martin roast jokes, and it totally subverted things.
Actually, that's the perfect reference.
It really is that, and that's the mechanism, because he's saying the whole thing is the funniness stems from, in that genre, the opposite of what expected.
Once it's really expected, it just feels disgusting to do.
So, you know, I was joking at the top about how you're Nostradamus, and you keep kind of calling these things.
I have had a few, yeah.
Well, I think the The reason for this is a priest friend of mine from New York pointed out that prophets are not people who have a crystal ball and they predict the future.
Prophets are just observing the world as it is while other people are imagining a world that no longer is.
And so they're just observing reality and then this seems like they're predicting the future because they're telling the truth in a world full of lies.
So what does that mean for us?
The fact that you seem to be predicting all of these things.
Nostradamus, please tell me, what do we have to look forward to?
Well, I think there is something to be said about it.
Or you can maybe make it less important where you just say, hey, things are like moving in a direction.
And then like the satire I do is like, I just do an extreme version of it.
And then as long as we stay on that path, we'll get there.
You know what I mean?
But in terms of like predicting, it's always like predicting a stock market, right?
Like on a trend, is this the top or is this, you know, keep going?
I would say, in my opinion, culturally, I remember to some degree, I was like switching on some of the things I was talking about in like around 2016.
And then it felt like we went back a few years.
And I would say right now, culturally, we're sort of like we were here.
I'll put my hand where you can see it.
And then if there was a peak, it sort of went up and then back.
So I feel like we're back, you know, like 20% from the top right now.
Like without Trump, it feels a little calmer.
People aren't as, you know, fired up in general.
So it depends on what happens next, right?
Like, does this go back down or does things get like fired up the way it is before?
Like I was loving the idea of Just, you know, at peak, like, how much you could just, every family gathering, people are fighting, and I was loving the idea of just going up to a family gathering, and whatever people think, just show up and go, hey, who do you guys think's the bigger hero?
George Floyd or Kyle Rittenhouse?
Anyway, gotta go to the bathroom.
Just trying to give you a fire there.
There's this big chasm between what we're being told is real.
George Floyd is the greatest hero or whatever.
There's this great chasm between what we're being told by the whole establishment and the reality of it.
You see this reflected in poll numbers.
You see Biden's...
And he's basically the most popular guy in his administration.
Kamala Harris is at 27%, which is lower than Dick Cheney was after the Iraq war and after shooting a guy in the face.
So this is historically low kind of stuff.
And yet we're being told it's the most popular thing ever.
It's the most wonderful thing.
Pete Buttigieg, who's now being hailed as the next great presidential candidate, he was asked, hey, what are people supposed to do about gas prices?
And he basically said, go buy a Tesla.
With a straight face.
And so what's the reaction when we're living in this kind of clown world from the propaganda of the ruling class, and yet we still can look around and we still have eyes to see that that's not what's going on?
Yeah, I feel like every president is just like the team that likes him puts out press releases about how much he's killing it.
Because I remember that, you could say the same thing with Trump where, you know what I mean?
The left would be like, look here, we did a poll and actually it's negative 5% people like him.
And then people would be like, and then you'd go and it's like everyone from all these states loves him.
But Biden doesn't have, that's one thing that's interesting with people that are like commentary that hate Biden.
You kind of...
It's not the same as Trump because they're kind of like, you know, he's the worst or whatever, but I feel like he doesn't have people defending that, so it's not so cut and dry.
Like, there's not even really people that are really left-wing.
They're just like, I'm just like a Biden head.
You know what I mean?
Like, does that exist?
I think even people that, like, We're super liberal or kind of like, you know, maybe like some 60-year-old kind of Upper West Side types.
But I think in general, there's no 25-year-old that's all in on Biden, no matter what your kind of political...
No, we're in the...
I don't even know what the version of the MAGA hat for Biden would be, you know, like make...
No, it's like a nightcap.
Yeah.
These young people wearing blue nightcaps to express their support.
But you don't see it.
And actually, in the polling, this is left-wing polls now, of Democrats, only about 37% even want them to be the nominee going forward.
So you don't know who's going to come up.
So then I have to ask your expert opinion.
So I find whenever it gets like that, then you notice all the infighting between the sides.
I feel like all the left-wing people are fighting with each other and all the right-wing people are fighting with each other a little bit now.
Haven't you noticed that more in the last four months?
That's kind of always what happens, right?
It was so clear who was, you know, on which side or whatever.
And then once it became wishy-washy, everyone kind of looks at...
It's like the...
Imagine being in a church and then no one's paying attention to you anymore.
And then you're kind of like, she's having sex without marriage.
All these people start arguing with each other.
And then the left-wing people are kind of like, this guy doesn't even...
He's not even a communist enough.
Yeah.
Yeah, this guy, man, he's not even wearing the hammer and sickle.
This is no good.
So what I need to know from you and your expert opinion in comedy is, it seems to me Donald Trump was a very funny president.
I think he was probably the funniest president.
Dude, have you seen the press releases?
The one that he released the other day, dude, they're so funny.
He came out with one that was just like, just want to say that people at the view were a bunch of slobs.
It's like...
It was like the McCain's daughter and he goes, you know, her dad like made me do the world's longest funeral of all time.
It was like, it was great.
And the fact that he's like writing it down and putting it out a press release is like even funnier.
The fact, I remember there was one time he was at a state dinner.
He was having dinner with the Queen, and he sent out a tweet back in those days when he was still on Twitter.
He sent out a tweet at what would have been about 1.30 in the morning, his time, after this beautiful dinner with the royal family, in which he called Bette Midler a washed-up psycho.
He's out of control.
So I think, okay, I think Trump is probably the funniest, best comedic chops president we've ever had.
No, Obama was funny.
You think Obama was funny?
Obama was really funny, yeah.
It was kind of like, they both were kind of, you know, could have been TV presenters, you know, or I guess Trump was.
But like, no, Obama was comedically, like, very high level.
That's like a...
That's why, you know, Obama had everyone who was, they liked him the way that, you know, people that like Trump like Trump because he was like a guy everyone kind of like wanted to be like he was cool and he was funny.
He did have that line about the predator drones.
I thought that was pretty funny.
He did that.
I do remember he did that bit for one of the dinners where he acted as Daniel Day-Lewis acting as Barack Obama.
That was pretty funny, too.
But so then looking forward, who is the funniest presidential candidate that we can look at for 2024?
I know that you said, I don't really know them that well, but I remember I met Andrew Yang at The Stand and he's kind of, I always thought it's funny that he was, his whole thing is like, you know, wearing the math pen and like kind of nerdy.
And then when I saw him, he was all like, cool.
He's all like, yeah, what's up, man?
Like, he's like a New York cool kid.
Really?
I didn't realize that he was different in real life.
But the Buttigieg, I just remember, it is kind of what you said, where they were always...
It seemed like every blog was like, 10 reasons why he's so sick.
And they're like, he has a slingshot, he skateboards.
They're always kind of pushing...
He's actually pretty sick.
That's kind of the vibe of the push on Buttigieg.
So 2024, I guess there's kind of a couple years away.
It seems like if the Democrats want to win, they need someone that's very charismatic and kind of cool.
I don't know.
The Republicans, I don't know.
Is Trump running?
You probably have a better pulse on that.
I don't know.
I mean, look, I think there are good candidates on the right.
I mean, DeSantis is running pretty hard, I think, at this point.
At the governor level, no one can touch him.
He's by far the best setup for this.
I think at the Senate level, no one can touch Ted Cruz.
I don't just say it because we're buddies, but he's just got the infrastructure.
He's done it before.
He's kind of leading in the Senate.
But Sort of.
The rock?
Yeah, well, this is the thing.
You get these kind of, you know, random candidates who'd be thrown in, but then none of it really matters, in my view, because if Trump runs, that's it, right?
He just totally clears the field.
No one's going to, no one wants to become the next middle market.
He's the right wing guy?
I think.
Yeah, who wants to be in that?
Yeah, and if you do, it's just true.
If you're like a Republican and you want to run and Trump's running, you're like, ugh, I got to go have him call my wife fat now.
Right.
We're talking about how I eat pizza.
I mean, Trump went on this whole thing about how disgusting Kasich looks when he eats a slice of pizza.
No one wants to be in that.
Yeah, I think everyone might be.
I guess there's a lot of people that are hardcore fans, but I think a lot of people even that were like Trump guys kind of don't like him as much because of the vaccine stuff, right?
Well, it is a weird spot that he's in because a lot of conservatives, I mean, I'm obviously extremely skeptical of all the vaccines and having to take the 17th Fauci ouchie, you know, just to get, because it's so very effective.
I'm on my 45th.
So you've almost got immunity.
Yeah, I'm very close.
You get just a few more, and then you're pretty close.
I'll quote my buddy Danny Polishuk's thing, because they're giving everyone free stuff.
And he goes, New York's like not the city to be giving people free stuff for vaccines.
And it was like, hey, we're giving out Yankees tickets now.
And Danny said, oh, I guess I'm going to find out what happens when you get 40 doses of this vaccine.
Yeah.
Did you see in the Netherlands, there's a brothel that's giving a free 30-minute session?
Yes, no, there's a...
You might be booking your tickets right now to Holland, but this brothel was giving away a free 30-minute sex session if you took the shot, which means that there are people now who are more Pfizer than man at this point, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
Dude, that stuff's so funny.
But yeah, I think that, I don't know.
To be honest, I think that, like, it would be probably even more tumultuous than before if he goes.
So, I don't know.
We'll see.
But I think right now, it's, like, a little calmer.
I think it's more likely that Trump has a podcast and he's selling, like, Patriot pills for...
You know what I mean?
For the top tier subscribers to like the Truth Social.
And he's selling like Freedom Water and stuff like that.
And he's just making, just making more.
Like Truth Social, Trump, I think he quadrupled his net worth overnight with just like people pumping that stock.
I don't know why.
Because he can't even put it on Twitter.
Well, I guess this raises the question about that then, though.
If the guy is not allowed on any social media, if the SEC is looking into him and all the kind of bureaucratic arms are trying to shut this guy up, I would subscribe to his podcast.
But are they going to let him?
Are they going to let him do anything?
Who knows?
You know what a funny thing was?
There's this thing in New York and one of our buddies...
Oh, it was like a fancy party kind of thing with a bunch of rich people.
I don't know these people, but I knew one guy.
And then one of Trump's daughters was there.
And then I guess because of that, the Secret Service has to like travel with you.
So we're at like a party and we had to go to get like white claws from like a bodega and the Secret Service had to like follow us.
I guess they follow them forever.
So we're at a bodega and there's like Secret Service guys outside of the bodega making sure that we're safe when we're getting white claws.
I was like, That is so embarrassing because as a fellow just absolute lover of White Claws, I consider myself a White Claw aficionado.
If you're standing next to G.I. Joe and you go to the bodega and you order raspberry flavored hard seltzer, that can't make you feel very masculine.
No, isn't that crazy?
I didn't realize that they all get it forever.
And could you imagine, if he does run again, could you imagine the riots?
No, people would have to dust off their Molotov cocktails.
People that left that life and just went back to their normal job and then have to go back to the closet and be like, alright, we're rioting again.
Dust off my Twitter fingers.
I'm getting into it.
So, I don't know.
It feels like that chapter is closed up.
You're so old.
All these presidents are so old now.
I think it's time to potentially do something else, I think.
Well, it is hard if you're running against a guy for being 80, Joe Biden, and then you...
And he's a bit younger.
He's like, yeah, look at this guy.
He's so old.
I'm only 79 as opposed to this old geezer.
Although Trump did have that line.
Look for a young candidate.
When they asked him about Biden's age, he did say, you know, he said, I'm not going to attack Biden for his age, you know, but look, all I know is I'm a young man.
I'm a young, vibrant man.
And certainly there's obviously not a ton of youth or vibrancy out in most of the political landscape.
But what's your, so you're in New York.
You mentioned you're still in New York.
He believed it too, for sure.
Like if Sean Blue's like, he's like writing this speech and he's like, dude, I'm like young as hell.
And everyone's like, I don't know about that.
He's like, what?
You don't think I'm young?
He's got dragon energy.
Him and Kanye.
These guys are pumping through his veins.
So you're in New York.
You've stayed there.
You've survived the smash and grabs and the peaceful arson and the de Blasio administration.
I live in the East Village, and it's like, it really has become pretty wild.
I used to film these videos on the street, and at first it was mostly normal people, but by the end it was like the people that kind of just lived there took over the park.
I said this on stage, but this is the argument that I heard a guy and a girl have.
A guy and a girl were arguing, and the girl goes to the guy, and she goes, hey, I showed you the t***s, now give me the McFlurry.
So, these are the kind of deals that are taking place, like, outside of my house.
Wow.
This is actually true.
We were just talking about this, but this might be the Canadian in me.
Yeah.
But there's a guy, and I live in, like, not, by the way, not a, you know, some, like, dump, right?
Yeah.
Manhattan.
You're in a beautiful part of Manhattan.
I'm not like wildly expensive, but it's, you know, how New York is, right?
And then outside my house, all these people like smoke crack.
And then I noticed after doing this like three or four times that I'm very, when I walk by being like, hey, sorry, guys, like really sorry, I need to get by.
And now I'm just like, why am I apologizing to these people?
I'm smoking crack in my doorway.
But they're clearly pretty evil people because I was just thinking about the guy who bribed the woman to flash him with the McFlurry.
Everyone who goes to McDonald's knows the McFlurry machine is always broken.
So if you're offering a woman, that's dark, man.
That's very deceitful.
That's his trick.
He finds out when the McFlurry machine's broken and makes all these McFlurry deals and he comes back.
You're a junior cheeseburger.
Yeah.
Here's a fillet of fish.
I'm sorry.
I don't have anything.
So you move from Canada.
You make it here to America.
But now I've got to ask, most of my friends, I'm a New Yorker, born and raised.
Most of my friends from New York.
And you're in Nashville now?
I'm in Nashville.
I left New York.
I left L.A. Now I'm living in the heart of the country.
A lot of other people are.
Are you, now that you're an American, are you going to flee New York as well, or are you going to stick it out?
No, New York's still the best place in the world for comedy.
I know a lot of...
Every once in a while, unfortunately, like, everyone will always be like, actually, there's a comedy scene in, you know, Memphis.
They, like, just pick a place, right?
But no, the difference is insane.
Like, I do, you know, The Stand and The Comedy Cellar and Brooklyn Comedy Club.
And, like, these are...
You know, the best comedians in the world.
And Austin has a little pocket, you know, of people.
And every scene has a little pocket.
But unfortunately, it's like, there's nowhere where you could do five, six sets a night and really be, you know, there with the best of the best.
So it's just like, the same reason if you...
You know, now it does shift.
Like if you want to be in tech, like I think it used to be San Francisco.
Now you can move to Austin and there's always people moving and shaking.
But New York, as far as like art goes, as far as comedy goes, it's pretty back to normal.
It's still all of the people that during COVID were like, I'm the hell out of here.
I'm going to go, you know, this comedy scene, I'll be in Miami comedy scene.
They're all slowly coming back one by one and being like, yeah, I mean, that's not really the same thing.
So it's unfortunate.
I mean, you know, it would be obviously better to live somewhere where you have a big, you know, house and it's warm.
But it's unfortunate.
I even went to LA like recently and I'm just like, man, New York is Better comedy is just what the situation is.
So I moved here specifically for that reason.
So I don't think that I would leave for the next little bit unless my life changed drastically and I gave up on trying to be the best of the best.
But I think if you're in this zone and you're in your years where you go, I want to try to be the best comedian in the world or one of the best comedians in the world, I think it's hard to properly do that somewhere else.
You're probably right about that.
So, how is the reception?
Obviously, you're super popular.
You've got about a bazillion views on YouTube.
But how is your reception in Brooklyn or in Manhattan?
You know, I'm not saying you're some, like, buttoned-up, tweed-wearing, bow-tie conservative, but you obviously contradict a lot of the liberal orthodoxies.
I think...
I usually just think it is masculine and feminine.
But most people are pretty receptive.
There's obviously people at every show.
I know that over the last little while, it was probably liberals that were the wild.
But I would say, depending on where I am, conservatives can be just as bad.
It's just different topics, right?
And then there's people that...
There's always, like, a difference between, like, you were trying to get mad and, you know, you were trying to get mad and then you actually were mad.
Because, you know, conservatives have their topics, like, you know, pedophile jokes, like troop stuff.
Like, obviously, some of that stuff can be very testy.
But sometimes they'll be, like...
I've been where it's my fault, too, where you go do a show and, you know, maybe you're too wild.
You're talking about, you know, even it could just be something similar as, like, sex stuff.
And there's, like, an old bunch, like, way too many old people in the crowd.
And they didn't like it.
And you could come up with a way and be like, yo, they're just afraid of real con.
Or you could be like, you know what?
I went into that situation.
I did it wrong.
I didn't tailor it to...
Right, right.
Not that you have it tailored always, but that's different than a bunch of old people saying like, hey, there's this comedy show where people are talking about sex.
Let's go down there and be mad.
So I think that it depends on where it is.
But most comedy clubs, I think people are...
Fairly receptive to anything that's funny.
Definitely, I switch a little what I'm doing based on red states and blue states because I'm more...
My general, like, tone is to be against what I'm talking to.
Right.
It's kind of like...
Recipe for success.
Just whatever the audience is, just find a way to piss them off.
That's right.
Yeah, yeah.
It really is.
But I even think of it as, like, think about with your friends.
Like, imagine you were hanging out with your friend...
And you're all making fun of him, but he's there.
And then, or like, even your girlfriend or whatever, and then they leave and you're all making fun of him.
And then some other people that don't know him that well are kind of making fun of him.
You're like, well, you don't get to really do that.
You're not.
Like, you have to be pretty close to make fun of them when they're left, right?
So I kind of think of that same comedy principle where it's like, Let's say I was doing like a really hard thing on LGBTQ or whatever.
I wouldn't want to do that in front of a room of people that were, you know, actually thought gay people shouldn't get married.
Had the electrodes in their hands.
It was all just Mike Pence with the electrodes, right?
Yeah.
Straight up like gay therapy stuff?
But yeah, it also, like, it feels funner to even, like, you know, let's say you're a Trash and Trump, like, that feels way funner to do at places where they like him than if you go to somewhere where they hate him.
Like, if they hate him, it feels, like, gross if, you know, you're just pandering at that point.
So a lot of times, my general tone is to kind of make fun of.
But I even find that with, like...
You know, even like TV shows or friend groups or like music genres, like let's say everyone's into punk, right?
When everyone's into punk music and you get together, you don't generally talk about what's wrong with jazz, you kind of talk about what's wrong with your thing, right?
So I think that a lot of the stuff that I've been making fun of, even, you know, when people were getting wild in the Trump years, was like, I know these people, and I grew up with them, and it's a bit me, to be honest.
So I think there's kind of, I try to have some of that stuff in the comedy, or else it comes across as, you know, more propaganda than it does comedy.
That's a great distinction.
A profound, prophetic as usual distinction.
Ryan, I've already taken up too much of your time, as I often do.
But I look forward to the next great prophecy that you have.
I'm sure there will be many more.
Where can people find you if they haven't found you already?
So I do a podcast every Friday called The Boys Cast with Ryan Long.
And there's a patreon.com slash theboyscast.
And then also, I do a video every Monday at youtube.com slash ryanlongcomedy.
And I'm releasing a stand-up special in January.
Also, I saw that right before I started, I saw you like this tweet, but did you see the Jordan Peterson in Nashville?
He's going to become a woohoo girl on the back of one of those buses.
Yeah, I like Michaela, too.
She's my friend.
It was so funny to me.
Jordan Peterson, every day he was posting, like, oh, look at this beer.
Like, oh, bar is this much.
He's just cruising around Nashville like he's on a bachelorette party.
Like, he's one step away from having, like, Mardi Gras beats on.
I was like, how funny it would be you're just, like, at a bar in Nashville getting, like, just drinking and stuff, and you look over, like, Jordan Peterson's on the dance floor.
That's so funny.
One of the premier public...
I'm not making a joke.
This is just an actual description of what happened.
One of the premier public intellectuals in the world was at Kid Rock's Big Ass Honky Tonk and Rock and Roll Steakhouse.
That's great.
I hope I run into one.
My name is Jordan!
Alright, go get...
First of all, listen to the Boys cast.
It's awesome.
It's really great.
Go watch all of Ryan's sketches.
I look forward to the comedy special.
And Ryan, I will see you soon.
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.
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