Akash and Wendy Defensor trace her career from low-paid MTV writing to "Girl Code" success, contrasting their 2018 financial crash with their pandemic Patreon boom. They critique Andrew Schultz's political chameleonism while debating the 2024 debates, where Akash claims Trump outperformed Harris despite his ICE and Stormy Daniels controversies. Labeling Hollywood elites as uneducated progressives compared to influencers like Rogan and Fuentes, Akash promotes his April 18th Radio City show and directs listeners to Riaz Report, arguing that true political literacy now drives the election cycle rather than traditional celebrity influence. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why Being a Centrist Helps00:14:54
We'll cover this real fast.
This shit is nuts, bro.
So we're back up on the J-Tube because this topic is crazy.
So, a couple people sent me this clip.
Can somebody give me a timestamp for this?
Wendy Defensor?
Because this shit's 58 minutes, bro.
I don't want to fucking go through this whole thing.
So.
Let me With you because I've known you forever and a day at this point.
You knew me when I really wasn't, and you were always so nice to me.
But you want to know what's so interesting?
I never felt that.
Like you were already doing your thing.
No, I was.
No, no, no.
I was a writer for a TV show you were on.
I was getting paid like a little bit, but not much.
And that was my first gig ever as a writer, or maybe my second gig.
I wasn't on camera.
You were on jobs that don't suck.
Yeah.
I was a writer on that because Schultz forced me on, and that was all I had.
So that was, you were like so nice.
And I was like, what a nice lady.
Because I got nothing.
Wait, okay.
So, because we're talking about the MTV days.
So, for a lot of people who may know Akash now, they may know you from your podcast with Andrew.
They might know you as a comic all over the country.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a nauseating number of clips online.
Right.
Yeah.
But for many of us who have known you throughout the years, like that's how I, you were already on your grind for such a long time.
So, I didn't know it was through writing first.
No, I was a comic, but that was how I got my foot in the door at MTV.
Got it.
Was writing.
And then you came to be part of the Girl Code family, the Gold family.
Yeah, yeah.
And then what happened after that?
How did all this success take off for you?
So I did the Guy Code, Girl Code thing.
They had me on all these MTV shows, and I was like, dude, I'm killing it.
I'd started dating my now wife, and I was like, it's all up from here.
I remember 20 years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I would have thought, too, all up from here after marrying her ass.
2017, I made 100k for the first time in my life, and I was like, Yeah, what's up, world?
It's over.
Then 2018, I went flat broke.
All of a sudden, MTV was just like silently, We're done.
We, you're too old, probably.
I don't blame them.
I was like 34, and then I had nothing else.
I would like to beg for writing jobs or whatever.
I probably made like five thousand dollars that whole year.
I don't know, but like I went flat broke.
And then luckily, the podcast was starting to build like a real passionate fan base.
So I would just say to Schultz, I think we could start a Patreon and make some money.
I think we could start a Patreon and make.
Some money.
What made you believe in that for Flagrant?
Like, when did the idea come up?
I saw another podcast called Come Town doing very well on Patreon.
Now, those guys, Stavros, is killing it.
The other guy's name is escaping me right now.
I don't mean any disrespect, but he's a super funny guy.
Nick something.
He's super funny.
But anyway, they were doing really well, and I was like, we could replicate this success, I think.
Their raw numbers were way bigger than ours, but I just felt like the love that we got because back then everything was super PC, and like, we were just like, we don't care.
We're going to say the thing if it's funny.
Looking back, I don't know how funny it was, but it was.
Fun because it was inappropriate.
Right.
So I was like, I think people would rock with us.
And he was like so busy.
I was like, I kind of pushing and pushing, but then I went like fully broke.
Like, I don't know where next month rent is going to come from.
And then I was like, dude, I said, I go verbatim.
I go, I'm literally pleading with you at this point.
Can we please start the Patreon?
And then he said, yeah, let's just run it.
And then he and I talked about.
I'm going to get my brother in right now.
So it says, Sup, Pita, love Randy.
I think you're good now.
Good now?
I think so, yeah.
I was reacting to Dumbass Akash.
We'll make fun of him and his wife, yeah.
And then we'll go back to Randy Fine.
Can you see me?
Yeah, I can.
Yeah, I think we can see you now.
You're gesturing.
You're still loading on my end.
Yeah, hold on.
I'm going to turn my camera on right now.
I got to turn it off.
Hair Huerta says, Sup, PETA lover.
Big fan shout out from New York.
Thanks so much, bro.
Five dollars.
Appreciate it.
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Yeah, true.
True.
Thanks for the six bucks.
I just took a painkiller instead, though.
All right.
We're back.
We're back in business.
Okay.
Let me open this back up.
Hold on one sec.
Yeah, you caught me right at the beginning.
So W restart.
We wanted to set up the tiers and all that.
And then that started doing fairly well.
He's talking about how they started their Patreon and made money.
That's what we were.
You surprised at the success behind it?
No, I got surprised during COVID when it like really started to blow up, and then we started to get like all these huge guests.
That was all surprising.
The Patreon, I felt like this is fun, this is a thing.
And it felt like at that time, honestly, it was like people always, Schultz would always say his mom told him the ascent is the most fun.
Yeah.
The climb.
That's right.
That was the best.
Like we had a little passion fan base, and we just kind of said whatever and did whatever, and no eyes were on us.
That was the best.
And then they had, then they got really woke and weird.
Yeah.
Now, does it feel like too much pressure?
Not too much pressure, but it's a lot of noise around everything I do.
Like, I, I, liberal people think I'm the.
I wonder why.
Because your wife is a 304.
MAGA conservative because I had a conversation.
On an embarrassment tour, conservative, yeah, and not only that, like, he now he's saying, Oh no, they thought I'm a conservative, blah blah blah, yeah, because these guys are out of New York City, these guys are like the thing is, this Andrew Schultz, and I've been saying this forever, and I'm glad people are finally seeing it now.
Andrew Schultz is the type of guy that will change and shape shift based on who's around him, you know what I mean?
Yeah, like, he will say and do whatever he needs to do to get himself to the next level, which is fine, like, very successful people, a lot of successful people have that trait, actually, guys, they're chameleons, you don't really know where they stand, um.
But they're able to kind of like Patrick Bed David does this a lot, right?
A lot of like big, big podcasts, like they'll kind of take a more centered position.
Like you don't really know too, too much what they think.
There's some stuff they might be outspoken on, but they're not like really 10 toes on anything because it's like you want to be able to, you want to be able to kind of siphon off both ends.
That's why being a centrist helps you a lot in media.
It's key for mainstream attention, right?
Like Andrew Schultz, all these guys, they're super mainstream.
Even Patrick Bed David, he's political, really.
That's his heavy focus or his topic, but he's mainstream.
That's because they just kind of go where the wind blows.
Sounds like it's kind of degrading, but that's the reality.
And you have two options as a content creator or an e celeb or a public figure.
You can either stand on business, be cemented in your grounding, ideologically centered, and not bend or cave or fold to really whatever people may say.
And then you build up your audience from the ground from there.
That's so much longer and more painful.
But if you get through the thick of it, right?
And you get through all of the pain of it, then on the back end is that pleasure of having people who will literally die for your cause, right?
Like people who are you can trust with your life.
And then For these guys, they don't have any real, like, loyal audience.
If these niggas said the N word tomorrow with the hard R, they'd be canceled off the face of the planet.
So that's kind of the con, right?
It's like they'd have to bend in full to the societal norm at any time, which is the only reason why Andrew Schultz has ever even started talking about Israel recently because he noticed that it was kind of okay, right?
But other guys have been suffering for that from years, you know?
So they just kind of go wherever they feel like the mainstream rhetoric will allow them to go without being canceled.
You know, they don't, even as comedians, you know, could you, as a comedian, you're still very careful about what you're touching on.
So, yeah.
And comedians historically, if we're going to be honest, almost always lean more left.
You know, they'll like poke fun at like people that are like super, super right wing, but a lot of them tend to lean left politically.
They just use humor to kind of make fun of like the ridiculous leftists, but a lot of them themselves are pretty progressive.
People think I'm this liberal cuck because I had a conversation with so and so, and it's like, it's just a lot of noise.
Yeah.
And I'm sure the intentions of starting a conversation, you probably, I don't know, it's like, I, You want it to be successful, but to be able to say, hey, we had the next president on our show.
Yeah, they had Trump on.
They got some heat for that.
But also, you have Bernie Sanders on the show.
I mean, you guys have had different people come on to the show.
Yeah.
Was there a time when people turned down your show?
Do you mind if I turn it down?
Oh, yeah.
Many people have turned it down.
Even now.
All right, someone said 729.
So that's fine.
We'll wait till 729.
We could play all this.
And because I asked, hey, what's the time step when he starts talking about his wife?
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Kyle KDC says, when are you and Tim going to debate about the war?
Apparently, he's coping saying we're winning.
Everything is planned.
Nah, bro, we're fucking losing.
But if Tim wants to debate that, we definitely can.
Libriers, if you're starting an official pod together, what would you call it?
Stay tuned.
Close it in task manager and restart it.
Got it.
That's what I did.
Davicho Myron, as you know, I'm a college and I'm about to graduate my job.
Listen, any advice for me to stay afloat in this economy and dating scene?
Get some odd jobs until you get a real job.
Fifth Elemento, thank you.
Tim Caz got subscribers only after you said something.
I'm sure they probably did.
Yeah, dude, pick up a job now while you're still in school, too.
Then I get David Zainas maxing.
Did you cook a cast wife yet?
No.
Saying Yahoo.
Okay, we're caught up.
All right, let's get back to it.
I have two very quick questions.
Yeah, I was begging common people to get her.
Hold on.
Thanks for the.
Go ahead.
Thanks for.
Justin for JC, thanks for $3.
She says, get streaming equipment from Blackmagic Design.
Okay, I'll note that.
And then HD.
Is it good?
You familiar?
No, I am.
You don't really need it, though, because you're using one camera angle, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have the alien.
I don't have the alien UFO set up like you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, black magic.
Like they got good switchers.
They got good switchers, but you're using one camera angle.
So not really needed.
Maybe in the future, that may be a conversation, right?
When I'll move and have a conversation.
I got you.
Like the only black magic I think that's worth getting really is like their switchers are pretty good if you got like a four point camera set up.
But I think Roland is better.
But yeah.
But for most, for like, you know, people just getting in to content creation and you want multiple cameras, like the Atem Mini is like the basic one that they use.
One more.
One more chat.
Mokrook says, enjoying the streams.
Keep it up.
Praying for all in the Middle East.
I mean, yeah, praying for them.
All right.
They literally said, well, we would have, if you didn't have Trump on now, it's too big of a risk.
And I was like, well, bunch of bitches.
Stupid.
It's a debate.
Yeah, that's retarded.
You would think with the Overton window moving so far, this wouldn't be such a divisive situation of having Donald Trump on your show prior to him being president and making all these mistakes, by the way.
This was prior to the whole ice controversy.
Yeah, this is way more.
Trump became far more taboo after the whole Minneapolis situation, Alex Pretty, Renee Goodshit.
Like before that, it wasn't even that.
Like, I can't believe, you know, and that just shows you how we're sharing space with like extreme, mentally deranged progressives.
You know, like Donald Trump was actually moderate in comparison to how he was viewed after the whole ICE situation.
Yeah, yeah, no.
And in 2024, it wasn't bad.
I mean, you can make the argument, oh, he had been convicted of the felony, but let's be honest, Stormy Daniels is a 304.
Yeah.
You know, the classified document case, that was the one that I think that was the strongest case they had against him.
Luckily, he didn't get.
Everything ended up getting thrown out.
But all the other cases against them were bullshit.
Candidate talks and then the other talks.
How is this different?
Yeah.
And she.
Yeah, and Kamala Harris probably didn't want to go on their show.
Let's see what he says.
Bodied him in that debate.
I thought she should.
No, she did it, nigga.
Are you retarded?
Yo, is this nigga retarded?
Bro, this is my.
Yo, what the fuck?
Is this guy stupid?
Too big of a risk.
And I was like, well, that's stupid.
But a debate is one candidate talks and then the other talks.
How is this different?
Yeah.
And she bodied him in that debate.
No, she didn't.
That's how I could tell.
This nigga's politically retarded, bro.
Yo, this is why Andrew Schultz is also a political retard as well.
Like, I'll never forget, PBD brought him on to talk about JFK.
Bro had no idea about anything.
It's like, bro, respect the platform.
Like, study up.
Like, I always, whenever I go on a show, I ask them, what are we going to talk about?
Right?
And if the topic is going to be something that I'm not familiar with, I'm going to research it and make sure I'm educated on the topic so I don't look like a fucking idiot.
But Andrew Schultz is so fucking cocky and arrogant.
He was just there to promote his shitty fucking comedy tour.
Didn't research anything, had no real commentary to give, and made himself look like a fucking idiot.
You know what I mean?
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But yeah, dude, like that's just like how politically retarded these guys are.
And that's like, if you think Kamala Harris won a debate, bro, you clearly are a fucking moron.
Living in another world.
I'm not saying that Trump, like, you know, did a masterclass in debating, but Kamala Harris was clearly fucking clueless.
Well, the thing with Trump is he was so much more centered in.
His plans, right?
Like Trump was very clear, and Trump is a master campaigner.
So his idea and his agenda was so much more maybe feasible for the right, but he just painted a clearer picture as to what his motives were.
Kamala was all over the place.
I think that her idea for the future of the nation was a little bit more vague.
So even if you were on the right or the left, there's no doubt that Donald Trump was a lot more clear in his motives, and it was more attractive at the time.
You know, no new wars in the situation with Ukraine, Gaza, everything like that.
Kamala didn't really echo the same idea as strongly as he did with as much passion.
So He bodied her just off of the fact that she's so stupid.
You know, the bar wasn't really high for him to make himself look smart with those debates.
Yeah.
More pods and, you know.
Also, keep in mind, one of the things that actually hurt Kamala a lot is that she was in power.
Yeah.
Like, I don't think I've ever seen a candidate run that was actually already in the position to some degree.
Yeah, absolutely.
Viral Claims About Eating Pets00:04:02
People forget that Kamala Harris was president for like an hour, technically, because I think like Biden got like a surgery or some shit like that.
So she was the president actually for like an hour or two.
And I don't think we'd have ever had someone who was vice president in office, had been president, even though it's not, you know, it's a joke, but either technically she was and ran for candidacy.
So Trump really dug into her like, yo, she's already here.
Like she's already running, she's in power right now.
Look at what's going on.
And that was the rhetoric, right?
The bleeding board or the 10 million illegals, 6 million illegals, whatever it was.
She's destroyed the country.
This administration has no idea what they're doing.
Look what happened in the Middle East ever since they took office.
From when I was in office, there was peace when I was in office.
You know, so it was really easy.
Trump was in the perfect position strategically to just use everything that may or may not have been their actual fault against them.
And that's why it was not really hard for him to make pretty good points that he substantiated quite clearly in those debates.
Despite the fact now that people are arguing that he has dementia on Truth Social and everything like that, he was actually relatively coherent for what we see now during those debates.
He did a decent job.
So, yeah, he made fun of Biden too.
Like, when Biden was like, he's like, What the hell did he just say?
Like, it was funny, it was a lot.
And then he also said the uh, he also, another thing too, also the cats and the dogs thing that went viral.
Remember when he said they're eating the cats and the dogs?
Yeah, like, yeah, and that that went viral.
Let me let me see if I can pull it up here real quick because cook the Haitians, yeah, yeah, yeah, we cook them voodoo, bro.
They're eating the cats and the dogs, yeah.
If you got a dog and your neighbor's Haitian, you better watch out.
That and and also.
You know, no, the fact that Biden was absolutely infuriating.
Yeah, go ahead, play this.
This is good.
They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
They're eating the cats.
They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
And this is what's happening in our country.
You gotta play that again, bro.
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
They're eating the cats.
They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
And this is what's happening in our country.
And, yo, this went viral because what they did was they turned this shit into a song, bro.
In Springfield, They're eating the dogs.
They're eating the cats.
Eat the cat.
Eat the cat.
They're eating the dogs.
They're eating the cats.
Eat the cat.
Eat the cat.
Yo.
That's good.
I've never even seen that.
Yeah, I've never seen that.
Because this went viral.
They took this clip and they made it go viral, and that helped with the debate as well.
So not only did it beat her on the points and shit like that, but he also had a viral song come out of it on TikTok.
So.
Um, you know, obviously, a lot of people lost their minds, like, Oh my god, this is incredibly bigoted, bro.
That shit was hilarious, bro.
That shit was hilarious.
Well, he won the war of rhetoric, though.
Yeah, he did.
Like, that's the shit that he was doing, whether it was, you know, really touchy or not.
He won the whole like culture kind of rhetoric deal, which is like, Look, I've got a plan to address this issue, even if the issue is as specific as people's pets being eaten.
And she doesn't.
And also, when he would bring up these really touchy subjects to some degree, some of these issues were actually relatively true or had some truth to them.
Like that one.
There was a story of it, right?
Yeah.
And it would put Kamala in this position where she would be left with two choices to either acknowledge what he's saying is true, but downplay the severity or overall completely ignore it and act like it's not happening.
And so Trump was able to put her in this position where she just seemed like a typical leftist, like not addressing the issues that are actually affecting a majority of the country.
So, you know, it was a series of things that kind of made him just walk into the Oval Office, you know, walk into Washington.
Are Celebs Losing Relevance00:04:26
It was.
A losing cause, you know, with the whole Gaza situation and then the open border, and then the fact that Biden couldn't string together a sentence.
And when you talk, you sound like this, it was, you know, just kind of this whole attestation for failure.
No, absolutely.
If she had that personable side, I think we could have brought that out of her and it would have been good.
I think.
I don't know.
It's so.
Bro, she was not going to go on no fucking adversarial podcast, bro.
She only did call her daddy, bro.
That's it.
And I think she did like one filtered interview with Fox News with Brett Byrne.
That's the only adversarial interview she did.
So, yeah, dude.
Like, she did no adversarial interviews.
And she had all the, you know, stupid A list celebs backing her.
Crazy to be having this conversation again because just seeing your journey.
And guys, get ready.
I'm going to get off YouTube here in a second.
And then now we're talking about you headlining your own show at Radio City Music Hall.
I'm very excited for this.
April 18th.
Very excited.
6,000 seats is a lot to fill, though.
So please, everyone, buy tickets.
That's overwhelming numbers.
Oh, he still hasn't sold them all.
Be headlining.
I wonder why.
Yeah.
Radio City Music Hall, Saturday, April 18th.
Why this is important?
Because you've seen someone come up on the grind, hard work.
Being down and out and not really thinking life is going to turn out the way it has been so far, right?
But I don't, you know what I really appreciate is that you've been open about the struggle and appreciating this as a milestone of you being on that stage.
What does this mean for you?
This is your first time.
First time.
I've done guest sets there for like four minutes, but it's a different.
I remember 2014, I went and saw Dave Chappelle.
He hadn't really started getting back into the specials and the full time stand up.
He did like almost like a pop up and he sold it out super quick.
And I remember sitting there and being like, oh, this is the dream venue.
This is the one.
MSG.
Dave Chappelle's a wokey too.
I think he went and dropped flowers off at Renee Good's memorial in Minneapolis.
Was it?
Yeah, I think it was Renee Good.
I don't think it was Alex Pretty.
He had something to do with the situation.
Yeah.
I can't remember that.
Yeah, no, he showed up and dropped flowers off at Minneapolis and was there at the thing.
He's a wokey too, bro.
Like, yo, look, man, what I'm realizing is like everyone in Hollywood, for the most part, is a progressive, man.
It is what it is.
And you have to be because you can't really move or get anything done if you're a conservative.
You just can't.
You just can't.
Yeah.
You got to be a wokey.
It's because they're the protected side of the political aisle, no doubt.
And, you know, but there's something to be said.
Now, podcasters and like e-celebs, even though they're not as famous, like as a household name per se, they have more influence.
100%.
That's why they are called influencers.
That's why Donald Trump also had so much more effect on the media because he was going on the podcast.
He was talking to the Joe Rogans.
You know, he was talking to the Nelk Boys.
He was talking to all these guys that, despite the fact, yeah, flagrant.
That despite the fact they may not be the Beyoncé's, they may not be the Taylor Swift's or all these other people, those celebrities are only idolized for their performance, not for teaching people how to actually think, not for influencing people.
You know, somebody like you and other people in the space actually teach people how to think.
That's what you do for a living.
So if you have somebody like Trump on your show or anybody else similar who has like that kind of podcast, YouTube entertainment segment, well, then they're guaranteed to actually make a bigger dent in the election cycle.
You know, but for these like mainstream celebs, that's like a dying thing, man.
And as a younger guy, like I'm only 24, I can say now confidently, even though, you know, I'm young, from when I was younger to the age that I'm at now, streamers and like YouTubers, TikTok celebs, even Instagram people, they have like more pull and influence than like these mainstream celebs.
Like, and they're growing faster than mainstream celebs.
You know, the whole kind of like Hollywood industry, like singers and stuff like that.
Of course, it will always be relevant, but it's losing relevance.
I think those things are kind of.
Maybe on their way out, we're looking at a shift in media.
You know, everybody's watching Clav now.
Everybody's watching Nick Fuentes, Sneeko.
Like, people aren't really raving about celebrities and actors the same way they once were.
I don't think that's a thing anymore.
They take them for what they are, which is an actor or a singer or a rapper, and they leave it there.
Because I think there's been this realization as a country that these people politically are not literate.
Shift From Hollywood to YouTube00:00:47
Yeah, no, they're not.
And, you know, it's like just kind of like when LeBron gave his opinion, they said, just shut up and dribble.
It's true.
Our niggas are retarded.
We don't.
We don't care what y'all got to say.
The one W comment, yo, shut up and dribble.
It's true.
You're retarded.
You barely graduate high school.
You know what I mean?
You're a Neanderthal.
Just, you know what I mean?
Just play basketball or, you know, just tell jokes, whatever.
Like these entertainers are retards.
Like Eminem, like, hates Trump, has derangement syndrome, which I can understand, whatever.
But, like, he hates him for, like, the wrong.
He's a bigot.
Okay, bro.
Like, didn't you get canceled for saying a whole bunch of shit before for saying the same stuff?
By the way, guys, I'm ending the YouTube stream now.
Come on over to kick.
I'm ending YouTube right now, guys.
I put the link in there.
Mod spam it.
Or you could go to my brother's stream, Riaz Report, either or.
You can watch him on YouTube or you can come over to kick.
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