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Soyboy Kyle Kulinski Says ICE Purposely Assassinated Alex Pretti? Here's Why He's Wrong...
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall 00:06:01
Every single time, every single crime, every single lie, every single hour, every single day, every single night, early lie.
I know it's hard to believe it's double forest, not one tree, and it's every branch and leaf, they're born to deceive.
But I'm telling you the truth: it's not just one or two, it's every single Jew.
And it really breaks my heart, but their lies are off the charts.
And they only bring us harm, you gotta get us married.
So if you want to be safe and don't want to get replaced, it's best you start being based, or you'll get irrelevant.
Every single time, every single crime, every single lie, early lie.
Every single hour, every single day, every single night, early lie.
I know it's hard to accept that all the ones you've met lie with every single breath.
They want you dead.
But you must not be weak, just open your eyes and see.
They always exploit the me.
See their vampire tea.
And it can make you cry to learn your life was full of lies.
And their face was a disguise.
But you must fight.
So if you want to live and protect all of your kin, you have to grow thick skin, or we want every single time.
Every single crime, every single lie.
Early life.
Every single hour, every single day, every single night.
Early life.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who's responsible for it all?
Is it the Jews, or is it really me?
Tell me the truth so I can be set free.
Are you proud or ashamed?
Do you claim to see perfection?
The mirror does not lie, yet you have the wrong answer.
You're a liar that the man suspects such arrogance as cancer.
You lie like a Jew to comfort your troubled soul.
Afraid of taking responsibility, refusing to grow old.
You need to wake up, you still think this is a game.
Why would anyone fear a child who's afraid of names or is it really me?
Tell me the truth so I can be set free.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who's responsible for it all?
Is it the truth or is it really me?
Tell me.
Who offered up their risk for promises of comfort and wealth?
But you know they are lies, fantasies that keep you in place.
The lies that you repeat, which help enslave your race.
Nobody respects a coward, no one needs to abort.
No play time for you.
Go to your room, you little boy.
Want to be free?
I'll tell you what to do.
Next time you look in the mirror, accept the damn truth.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who's responsible for it all?
Is it the truth or is it really me?
Tell me the truth so I can be set free.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who's responsible for it all?
Is it the truth or is it really me?
Right, and we are alive.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to the stream.
Welcome to the stream.
All right, let's kind of just get right into this, guys.
I'm going to jump into a Twitter space right now.
They're talking about the conflict.
Will Silimano then?
Let's jump in, see what's going on.
I'm going to adjust it, Mike, because you guys know how it goes as soon as I come into these Twitter spaces.
For Israel first, I think they're optimizing.
Uss Carrier Refuelers Conflict 00:14:57
Look, you got the Zio part of finance, the Zio part of technology, and the Zio part of military.
And many of those are converging because finance, you know, to a good degree, to a certain degree, as long as Pentagon keeps sending the money over to military, it's got like a nationalistic kind of American part to it.
where all it wants to do is profit from wars.
You know, Zionism has factions and all of those.
The real battle right now is weakening the dollar versus strengthening the dollar.
The military want to strengthen the dollar through war, and financial want to weaken the dollar to transnational capital and multipolarity.
And so that creates an internal conflict with Zionist factions.
And obviously, the radical evangelical Christian Zionists, they're more aligned with military, which their wet dream is that you get to continue to destabilize Middle East rather than regional stability.
And therefore, the Greater Israel project is in their financial interest in order to push that so that you can just really focus on the previous world order.
But the previous world order doesn't exist because China has a say in the equation.
And these powers need to negotiate with China.
And unless you believe that Zionists control China as well, then you have to realize that they have a different faction of power that they need to negotiate with.
And America does not have the hegemon status anymore.
So even if America is full-blown Zionist, it still needs to negotiate because there's new powers and China doesn't want Israel destabilizing the region for American profits.
The only issue is most major powers do go downstream.
They don't just kind of step aside.
Thanks, Dajay.
I just want to welcome Marin onto the stage.
Myron, thanks for joining us.
We've got Ryan and Simon on the stage as well.
How are you doing?
We're live on YouTube as well.
How are things?
Good, man.
Can you guys hear me?
Yeah.
Okay.
Hold on.
I'm just going to adjust the audio real quick for my because I already know my audience.
The volume is down below on your eyes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let me turn my volume up on my side a bit as well.
Okay.
No, man, if you guys could just, and I apologize because I'm sure you guys literally were just talking about this earlier as I came in.
Could we just do a quick little, I guess, like a bird's eye view of what's going on?
Obviously, there's a bunch of assets mobilized, you know, right in Iran's backyard, you know, destroyers, aircraft carriers, et cetera.
It's an enormous amount of resources being put in place.
From what I understand, I've looked this up.
It costs the U.S. about $10 million a day almost to just be out there in the first place without launching anything.
Kind of, where are we right now in the news and in this progression cycle so far as of up to right now?
Yeah, cost.
I'll let Ryan, and your mic's a little bit low.
I'll let Ryan give his perspective and then I'll jump on and then Simon can jump on and then I'll give you like a bit of an overview of what's going on.
But Ryan, jump in if you want to add in whatever you want and then if you want to give an overview.
Just quick response to Simon.
It's interesting because there wouldn't be a tighter relationship between Russia and China or China and the Middle East or China and Latin America if not for these Zionist policies of warmongering.
Like they wouldn't have to split the world between China and the U.S.
They were happy to go with the U.S.
They were happy to use dollars.
The U.S. de-dollarized itself by putting sanctions on people and freezing funds and starting wars on Israel's behalf.
So we can see which faction is the winner there.
Bird's eye view, you've got all the refuelers, at least the one carrier strike group in the Gulf.
You've got a little bit of pushback on U.S. bases, at least from the UAE and Qatar, but we don't know how truthful they are, but I think they're genuine.
And the U.S. is sending more and more.
And apparently their allies are starting to as well.
At least the UK has 13 fighter jets.
They're going to strike Iran.
It doesn't matter what we say.
This is happening.
I wish I could, I wish it was otherwise.
I wish I could whitebill people, but this is going to happen.
They've got attackums as well.
I don't know if they can burn through those, but everything else, I mean, you already know.
The carrier groups there.
They've got bombers, fighter jets, artillery, refuelers.
And then they've got their paramilitary on the ground, like MEK inside Iran already.
They will not send in the U.S. Army.
That's not doable.
Do you think some Green Berets are on the ground over there assisting them with launching a revolution on that side?
What, like special forces inside Iran?
They have to train these guys up and get them ready to launch a revolution on their side.
Intelligence is there.
They have domestic sources to do that.
So you don't really have to send in people from Oklahoma or something.
There are plenty of anti-Iranians in Iran willing to do that.
Okay.
So I guess from your analysis, Ryan, what would you say was the nail in the coffin that made you say, okay, these guys are absolutely going to hit?
I mean, obviously, we've been talking about this for months now, ever since the 12-day war back in June.
We knew that they were at some point going to go back in and try to finish a job.
I think their strategy last time massively backfired.
They were hoping that there would be a color revolution after bombing all their nuclear facilities.
And it actually created the opposite effect, the rally around the flag effect, where the people were saying, hey, hit Israel back.
And they hit them back pretty hard.
What would you for me?
I think the telltale side for me, just to get my perspective, was once they started moving the refuelers over there, I was like, yeah, they're 100% going to hit.
You know, the invasion of Venezuela, I think that was another little piece as well.
But for you, from your perspective, what do you think was the nail in the coffin that made you say, okay, they're obviously going to strike and it's going to be imminent and it's more than likely going to be the U.S. striking force?
Because I thought it was going to be Israel.
But the more and more I see them mobilizing things, the more I'm like, oh man, it might actually be us now.
By the way, Myron, your mic's not still not great.
If you want to improve it, that'd be awesome.
But back to you, Ryan.
I knew they were going to strike Iran before they sent refuelers.
Like, this is the plan.
This is open.
They wrote about it.
It's in their policy papers.
It's in their propaganda.
Like, Iran was next.
They wrote a script to take out all of Israel's enemies.
And Iran was the final piece of the pie.
As far as like, oh, when is it going to be imminent?
Well, when they sent the refuelers, when they sent a carrier, when they sent the Lincoln, then you know.
Because I remember being asked this before, like, are they going to strike tomorrow?
I said no.
Are they going to strike tomorrow?
I said no.
They're not going to do anything until the Lincoln arrives.
Once you have a carrier strike force, then you've got a green light.
They could send three, two or three of those.
But one, they have enough hubris to maybe think one's enough.
There's no reason for a carrier strike force group to be in the Gulf other than to threaten Iran.
Also, Ryan, I did read all the reports that they have sent the USS George Bush as well.
So there possibly could be another one there as well.
I don't know if this is on purpose, but could you get worse than Lincoln and Bush?
You know, I hope they sink them.
But yeah, just on what Ryan said, just to add to his point, Myron, I agree with what he's saying.
What we saw was, I mean, we were expecting it for a while because just from a geopolitical perspective, the Israelis and the Americans need this done and dusted well before, from the American perspective, the midterms, from the Israeli perspective, the Netanyahu election.
So we always expected it to be before like February time, before mid-February.
And then in addition to that, what's kind of escalated here and we think it was imminent.
We've seen the USS Abraham Lincoln move towards Iran.
Now it's exactly where it needs to be.
It's hiding off the shore of Oman right now.
In addition to that, we saw reports of the USS George Bush moving towards it.
And then just over the last few days or the last four or five days, we had, and within the Abraham Lincoln, we got the USSS Peterson Jr., the USSS Murphy, the USS Spurrens.
And then they have like a large number of aircraft.
So they've got these aircraft carriers.
They've got the destroyers.
They've got the fighter jets and all of the submarines with those.
100%.
They've got their submarines as well.
And they've got the air defense.
They've basically the specific bases in the GCC.
They've replenished them as well.
Significant amount of cargo has gone there.
So we've seen a lot of C-17s bring cargoes into there, bring air defense systems in there.
We've seen a number of F-35s and EA-18s move towards that region as well.
So I would say like things are imminent.
Like it could be any minute now.
Like this is why I canceled.
I was meant to go to Vegas as well, but I just canceled it because I thought this is happening because today, tomorrow, the next day, it's happening.
You can report from the poker table, Suli.
So, okay, let's now that we know that it's imminent, we kind of have an idea of all the resources that have been moved into place at this point.
What do you think is, I mean, if we had to, you know, kind of go through this play-by-play, what is going to be the first attack from the U.S. How's it going to be done?
Are we talking about, you know, it's going to be hitting a nuclear facility first?
Is it going to be hitting a military strategic point first?
How do you think they're going to kick this off?
Well, I think they'll strike the telecommunications.
They'll basically strike where.
Sorry.
Sorry, I meant to add in like on day one.
And then how would Iran respond, in your opinion?
Yeah, I think day one is going to be hit the telecommunication telecommunication facilities, hit the where the missile launch pads are, hit possibly, if they think that this is going to be their best chance to do it, then hit where they believe some of the leadership is.
I think strike one is going to be those specific targets.
And then that'll be day one.
Obviously, over time, the overarching thing is going to be hit as many military sites as possible, hit the nuclear sites, hit the where the hypersonic missile launch pads are, try and take out the leadership.
They're going to attack on the first day as well.
What they'll do is, as Ryan said, within Iran, they have the MEK, but in addition to that, they have these Mossad operatives.
Those will start attacking as well, like they did last time.
If you remember, last time, the first day, the most successful was actually these guys from within Iran.
So those people will attack as well.
So this will be like a coordinated effort on the ground from the air in terms of how they attack.
Okay.
There's a high chance they have drones in Iran too, ready to go.
They had that the first time as well.
Okay, so do you guys think, I think now pretty much you guys are all pretty confident that it's going to be the United States that launches the first attack.
Is Israel going to also join in on that day one assault simultaneously?
In your opinion?
So that's Ryan's opinion.
I'm not sure.
I'm 50-50 on this.
I'm not sure if it's going to be Israel or the United States of America who attacks first.
Because the issue with the United States attacking is it adds the complexity.
So why I think Ryan's it is more possible that it's America is because as he said and as we reported, the GCC countries have come out and said, look, we're not going to allow anyone to use our airbase.
We're not going to help with the refueling.
We're not involved in this, which seems to suggest that maybe it will be America.
Because if America attacks, Iran's going to then attack the GCC countries.
So this, sorry, Iran is.
So this kind of makes sure that they're not involved in the situation.
So that seems to suggest it's America.
But the problem you have is if America attacks, then Iran is in a situation where they should attack the GCC anyway.
And that's an easy attack.
And so it's going to be interesting in that regard.
So I still think that maybe it's going to be Israel.
But the fact that the GCC countries have come out and said that kind of is an indicator that it is more likely going to be the United States of America who attacks first.
That could be why the George Bush is on the way because Qatar and UAE said no.
Exactly.
Wow.
And we do know that if I'm not mistaken, a couple of years back, the Houthis hit an oil field in Saudi Arabia and it absolutely demolished them.
It was a very small-scale attack.
And they pretty much crippled oil operations for a long time, for a few months.
So I do.
We brought that up earlier.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
And I think that is a very good weak point because I think the strategy for Iran, they know that they can't win militarily.
They know that, you know, between the United States and Israel, they're superior from a military standpoint.
I think Iran's only play really is to make it so painful for the West to attack them that they won't be able to stand it.
And you're going to have to hit them and make it hurt economically.
Is I think the only real deterrent they have, where they're destroying oil fields, shutting down Straighter Hermus, where it would completely cripple global trade and it would force other countries to step in and negotiate some type of ceasefire.
I think that's really the only play Iran has is just to make it too painfully economically for these countries to attack them.
I don't know what you guys think.
The problem with that is the stopping the strait basically means you alienate your key ally, which is China, which from a longevity perspective, you destroy all opportunity.
In terms of from the GCC perspective, and this is what we discussed actually in detail, Marin, before you came, because me and Ryan agree that actually, if I was Iraq, if we were Iran, we would strike the GCC irrespective of the fact that they're not allowing their airspace to be used and irrespective of the fact that they're not allowing refueling, because that, as you said quite correctly,
would cause the United States of America to stand back because now it means they're not able to protect the key allies.
That shows weakness and they're getting trillions of dollars in defense packs to try and do it.
So that would be the smart move.
I think, but the problem you have with Iran is that they may think that, look, if these countries have said they're going to stay out and we then attack them, you know, we may look like the bad guys or it may make us, it may basically bring them in, which I don't think will have that much of an impact.
But there'll be certain calculations that they're going to do, which may make them like think twice about that.
But if I agree with me and Ryan are on the same page on this one, like we think they should attack, but I think they won't.
Yeah.
Pivot and Price Manipulation 00:05:56
And I mean, obviously, if they did shut down the straight of Hermus, maybe they can have some agreement with the Chinese.
Because, yeah, that's something that had me hung up too.
Is you know, that would hurt one of their biggest trade partners, China.
But, you know, maybe they would allow Chinese ships to pass or cross.
I don't know.
But in general, I guess from an overview, this would be a good idea.
I didn't think it's that.
So China has the largest oil reserve in the world right now.
They've been preparing for this for a long time.
It will create economic chaos initially upon the announcement, but I don't think Iran on their own can shut down the Strait of Hamus in order to, like, there is naval deployments from US, Britain, Saudi.
It requires cooperation from Oman.
Like, it's not, it's a threat, but I don't think it's just turns into a naval war that immediately I think could come under control by greater forces with China and everyone.
So it's even if it did happen, it would push, it would pump the price of oil initially, and then China would just start selling oil into the market because China has significant influence over oil prices now because it's just built those massive reserves.
And then it would make a shit ton of money selling it at the high price and then push the price back down again.
It would be probably two weeks of disruption, I'd say.
It's 20% of the trade of oil on the Maritime Silk Road.
And Simon's right.
They physically could not set up a blockade, but you don't have to do a blockade to shut down the strait.
You just have to make the insurance cost so much that no one's willing to risk it.
And it's effectively shut.
You know, plan out what you guys said just now.
If Iran decides to strike the military bases in GCC countries, but not the oil fields, you know, hypothetically speaking, you know, if they show that they have the hypersonic missiles and America can't protect them, and you already have Saudi Arabia and Iran joining in the BRICS, is it hypothetically possible that maybe there could be a pivot away from America in the region that gets sparked by this showdown?
What are the chances of that?
Sorry, go ahead, Simon.
I think the chances are high on that.
Because if you look at maybe less so Saudi Arabia, because they've always been in alliance with the US for like 50, 60 years, but those GCC countries, they pay the United States of America trillions of dollars.
They have defense pacts with the United States of America.
They trade with the United States of America with the idea and understanding that the US is going to protect them because in my view, they're too weak to protect themselves.
And they've always required to bring this support in from an external perspective.
And so the fact that they were to be hit, I think that would actually make them real angry.
It's like these guys can't protect us.
Maybe we should think about having deals or trade with anyone else.
So therefore, actually, if you wanted those countries to become more pro-China, that would actually be the move.
And actually, Simon, that would probably add to your theory as well.
If they wanted to be overtly more China, that would actually be an easy way to do it.
But Simon, you're going to jump in.
Go ahead.
You cut out a bit towards the end.
But look, the GCC countries have already been making that pivot.
Their sovereign wealth funds are propped up by selling oil to China as their primary customer.
America is a net energy exporter, so they compete.
So what is happening right now is Saudi is selling US treasuries because the currency is weakening and it is purchasing US equities.
And America has now sold $65 trillion of its stock market and bond market to foreign investors.
So America is no longer a sovereign country.
It doesn't act in its own national interest.
It works for bondholders.
And the financial that co-invests with all the sovereign wealth funds owns significantly more of US assets as well.
So that pivot has already happened.
And China, Iran, and Russia, and including India, have set up basically a de-dollarized Chinese credit system whereby you can trade with each other to circumvent sanctions and bypass any need for the dollar.
And Saudi has already reduced the petrodollar to 70% and 30% of it is petro-yuan at the moment.
All of the infrastructure deals that have been done in Saudi.
It's normally Chinese infrastructure.
Like Saudi is managing its relationship and the GCC is managing its relationship between America, Europe and China.
But China pays the bills.
They just don't do PR.
And so that pivot has already happened, is already happening.
But America is replacing forever war contracts based upon Israel Zionism with essentially defense contracts and trying to create dependencies while the Gulf countries start setting up their alternative rails.
So with all the different good cop, bad cop, I call them, that we've seen like recently, you ended up with the alternative pacts between Saudi, Turkey, and Pakistan, and then UAE turning towards India.
And these are all around normalization around China and the BRICS corridors.
Well, that's a financial pivot.
I was speaking to you.
Rush Toward Conflict 00:07:24
One second, Jay.
Myron, was there anything else you wanted to add or ask?
No, man.
I mean, what's your view on it?
I think, you know, I think at this point, it's pretty eminent.
And I think the U.S. has done what they've kind of threatened.
They've mobilized quite a bit of resource.
And I think at this point, it's too deep to not do anything, right?
At first, you can make the argument, oh, maybe it's just posture.
Maybe it's just a show of force.
Maybe it's just to, you know, get them to the table.
But I don't think even, I think Trump is trying to manufacture a justification to a strike.
He tried it with the protesters, didn't work.
Tried it with the executions.
It didn't work.
You know, now he's saying, oh, Iran, come to the table, make a deal.
But we know that he never actually negotiates in good faith.
So I think right now they're looking for some type of political scapegoat to justify them attacking first.
And I think that's kind of what it is.
So it's, yeah, I mean, at this point, you know, it's just inevitable with them mobilizing that many resources.
There's a question for you from YouTube.
And we are live on YouTube as well, guys.
The tweet is in the NASA.
I think we're about 2,300 there.
We've got about 1,400 here.
Myron, the question to you is this: that from a U.S. perspective, we're aware that people in America don't have an appetite for a ground invasion into Iran.
But what about an offensive war that means bombing from the whatever it may be, supplying, you know, causing like a Syria type of rebellion?
What's the kind of the appetite in the United States of America from that perspective?
It would be very bad.
I think everyone is still traumatized from Iraq and all the wars in the Middle East.
You know, I think at this point, everyone is pretty red-pilled on how the Iraq war was not really a war for the United States, how it didn't benefit us.
It took us 20 years to realize it.
But I think at this point, even Normis understand that the war in Iraq was for Israel.
People are starting to wake up to Israel's influence.
This past year or past, well, these past two years, awareness on the Israel problem has skyrocketed, dude.
I can't even explain it.
I remember vividly in early 2023 when we would talk about Israel or Zionism or whatever, we had to use sound effects.
We couldn't say Jew.
We couldn't say Israel.
We couldn't say anything.
I remember having Ryan on my show, and we literally hit the bell every time we discussed this topic.
And for the 180-degree turn that I've seen where people are openly talking about it, progressives are talking about it.
They're naming them by the name.
This is unprecedented.
So I think all of this awareness on this topic has made it even more of a disliked potential outcome with going to war.
The scars of Iraq are still very fresh.
And a lot of people are just finding out about it.
So I think a war from the U.S. perspective is absolutely not going to be happy.
Like from the conservative side, Trump campaigned on no new wars.
That's a big reason why people voted for him.
That's a big reason I voted for him, right?
From the progressive side, they understand that these wars are only to prop up Israel, who they look at as a colonial apartheid state that is occupying people.
But the bottom line is the same.
From the right-wing perspective, we don't like a foreign country hijacking our military and our foreign policy, right?
That could potentially get U.S. soldiers killed.
From the left-wing perspective, they don't like that we are supporting a regime that is responsible for the death and destruction of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people and children as we watch what happened in Gaza and the fact that they claim to be a democracy, but they're anything else but that.
They're literally the complete opposite.
So both factions in America oppose Israel for different reasons, but the bottom line is they both oppose.
So a war on their behalf, because that's what this conflict is.
An idiot when Rube Temperature IQ understands that this conflict with Iran doesn't benefit us.
Even a moron is going to say, we don't want this.
So it's going to be extremely, even if the United States tries to say, oh, yeah, it's only going to be limited.
We're only going to do airstrikes, whatever.
I think that us attacking them and making aware Iran's going to have to retaliate and putting soldiers at risk, that is going to be completely intolerable for the majority of Americans, in my opinion.
We do not have the appetite for conflict like we did back in 2003.
There's no 9-11 to justify preemptively attacking Iran like there was in 2001.
Myron, what about the factions of Americans that might think it's like Venezuela and they were really loving that we're strengthening the dollar, America's the strongest military, we're taking over the oil.
This is making America great again.
What if they have like a fantasy that they're going to get hold of all of Iran's oil and strengthen the dollar and show the world that America is still the global hegemon?
No, that's a great question.
I think the difference here between Venezuela and Iran is that with the Venezuela situation, right?
And I've, and I, because what I'll do is I'll watch a lot of political commentators that I, that, you know, are pro Venezuela invasion, and almost all of them use the same exact excuse, Monroe doctrine, right?
Even though I laugh when people say that because, you know, China and Russia have been in our hemisphere for a very long time doing business.
You know what I mean?
So it's like they're over here saying, like, yeah, we got to keep the Chinese out.
Like, bro, news flash, the Chinese pretty much control the Caribbean, right?
Like, if you get your passport and go to Jamaica, there's a bunch of Chinese all over the place.
They're all over the Bahamas.
They're all over South America, all over the Caribbean, et cetera.
So this Monroe doctrine, unless you're an idiot, it doesn't really hold weight.
But I would say in this situation, there's two main differences.
Number one, Venezuela's in our hemisphere, so politicians were able to use that to justify.
And then number two, Venezuela doesn't have the military capability to actually hit us back.
Iran does.
They're a significantly bigger country.
They have a more, they're significantly more effective from a military standpoint.
And they can absolutely strike us back.
So I think politicians are going to have a way harder time selling a war with Iran than they will with Venezuela because with Venezuela, no one got killed.
You know, it demonstrated our power.
They're in our hemisphere.
There's talking points that they can use to the American public that doesn't expose the problems.
But I think with Iran, it's going to be way harder for them to justify it, my opinion.
Just another question for you, Myron.
In terms of going forward, you mentioned how the appetite may not be there for war.
The problem you have is from the Israeli perspective and from the US perspective, we mentioned this earlier, but time is running out.
They both need this done ASAP.
So, I mean, there's a bit of like fast movement.
There's a bit of a rush towards this.
Like, if this, I guess, let me rephrase the question.
If Trump was truly America first and he was put in, and remember, let's say he wanted to go to war or he wanted to attack foreign nations, but it was specifically for America.
You take out Venezuela, the next smart move is Cuba or what you call it again, Colombia.
That's within the region, within the hemisphere.
But yet he's doing this extravagant war that could go long term, then the risks with this are significantly more.
What does this say in terms of the level of control that these Zionists have over the United States of America?
TikTok's Rise and Fall 00:05:34
Well, I think at this point now, it's extremely evident, right?
We can look at like the TikTok purchase, which we predicted would happen, right?
You know, the fact that they're literally making the term Zionists going to be a protected class and term.
You know, the campaign we saw in Gaza with them just bombing them for, you know, literally for two years, you know, and there's still a there's still conflict over there, too.
Like people say, oh, yeah, it's a ceasefire.
It's mostly gone.
Yeah, there's still people dying.
There's still people starving.
They're still not getting the trucks in like they're supposed to.
They're still not holding up to their full end of the argument.
They're trying to get Lebanon to disarm.
They're trying to get Hamas to disarm, right?
And they use that as justification to keep attacking them.
So I think the American public in general is extremely, extremely fed up with Israeli influence in our government.
And the numbers show it.
You look at someone like Aben Shapiro, for example, right?
Who at one point, 10 years ago, was the top right-wing political commentator in America.
You open up Facebook.
This guy was everywhere.
He was taking over.
He was on all the top podcasts.
Ever since October 7th and people waking up to this problem in America, his views have dropped off significantly.
Losing subscribers, the Daily Wire is pretty much in shambles.
A lot of conservative talking heads that used to be pro-Zionists are staying quiet on the topic.
You look at someone like, I'll give you a perfect example right now: Megan Kelly, right?
Megan Kelly's completely sourced her tune-up.
She was a very big supporter of Israel, was super anti-critics of Israel.
And now she's switching up her tune because she realizes that even in the right-wing party, being supportive of Israel, unless you're like a retarded boomer, is going to probably cost you some viewership.
So people that were staunch Zionist supporters in the right wing are even starting to switch their tunes up, man.
So I think at this point, you got to be living under a rock to not understand where we are in America now.
Like, obviously, there's still going to be some boomers that are stupid.
But man, we've literally went through like an information revolution over the past couple of years.
And they keep proving us right, whether it's the censorship of TikTok, the purchase of TikTok, the anti-Semitism laws, ICE officials arresting college students for politically protected speech that's critical of a foreign country.
You know, a lot of the things that came from the Project Esther that the Heritage Foundation wrote back at the end of 2024 as Trump was campaigning.
A lot of it's coming into coming to fruition now.
So, yeah, the writing has been on the wall for a very long time.
And I think people are finally starting to see to see that, right?
The people are figuring out what the clean break memo was.
All of this information that was like super addicted, super censored, super suppressed, it's out in the limelight now.
I mean, hell, the fucking letter to America from Osama bin Laden went viral a couple of years ago.
Like, I never thought I'd see the day.
So, that's where we are in the United States right now.
And I'm sure a lot of the other Western countries, I know in the UK, you guys are getting red-pelled on this.
I know Australia for sure is getting red-pelled on this.
This is why they also amped up their anti-Semitism laws.
So I think the Western world in general, and not just the United States, is absolutely waking up to Zionist control of their countries.
And so, Myron, another question I've got for you is, I mean, me and you, both of us, I remember platforming Ryan Dawson in 2023 talking about 9-11.
I almost got canceled.
I know what happened to you, you got demonetized as well.
In terms of specifically, you're looking at, you mentioned about TikTok, you mentioned about the kind of levers of power they're now basically implementing to make sure they take control back over social media, mainstream media.
You saw what's happened with CBS and Barry Weiss.
We're seeing massive censorship.
Do you think that they're going to be able to recapture the audience again?
Or do you think that they've accepted this audience they're not going to take control over and they're looking for the new generation to recapture and retake control over?
I think they lost the young people, man.
I think the unprecedented explosion of upscroll that has signified this.
You know, people have, you know, something like the TikTok uninstalls are up like 150% or whatever.
I think they've lost the youth, man.
I truly do think they lost the youth.
And I think also another thing that is making that's accelerating this problem of them losing the youth was the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Like, I don't know if you guys noticed it, but I saw anti-Israel sentiment explode after Charlie was assassinated, right?
And it goes to show just how much power he wielded in the American right wing from a social media perspective, because before he was killed, he was trying to, you know, kind of reverse and massage or try to rehabilitate Israel's image with the young people.
I remember he had done like a sit-down with a bunch of Turning Point USA students trying to get their take on what's going on here.
We know that he wrote that letter to Netanyahu.
I think he saw the writing on the wall that like we need to really do a marketing push here and get things fixed up.
And when he was assassinated, it led to, you know, other people in the right wing becoming more popular.
We saw the meteoric rise of Nick Fuentes, who's been extremely critical of Israel, kind of that narrative get out into the mainstream for the Normis.
We saw Tucker Carlson start to talk about these problems and other people follow suit.
So I think the assassination of Charlie Kirk played a huge role in kind of Israel's being exposed because he did run quite a bit of cover for them for a long time.
War of Attrition Benefits Iran 00:04:50
And so, Myron, in terms of going forward now, you've got this war with Iran coming.
You've got the U.S. and Israel involved.
You've got basically, at what point do you have like a massive campaign against Trump if this war is elongated?
I don't think it'll be long, but maybe someone like Jay does think it's going to be long and maybe boots on the ground.
If the war does go long term, is there a scenario where people turn on Trump or do you think that his reproval rate is at a point?
It's quite low anyway.
It's not going to drop anymore.
I think if American soldiers start getting killed, people are going to take to the streets and protest.
Both on the left and on the right.
I think that will be if soldiers start dying, that's when you're going to probably see some real Vietnam levels of protest because this is an issue that both sides care about and avoiding.
So I think obviously they're going to protest it from different perspectives, but they're going to protest the war nonetheless.
So I think we will not be able to sustain any type of casualties without some like massive backlash, especially since Trump campaigned on no new wars.
And then as far as you asked me the other question.
Shit, what was the other one you asked me?
Those are two-part question to there.
You asked about how the people would respond, and then, oh, the length of the war.
Yes, I agree with you.
I don't think it's going to be long either.
And simply put, the reason why the conflict won't be long is because I think a war of attrition actually benefits the Iranians.
And the reason why is because all they have to do is wait out for the Thad interceptor missiles to run out.
And I think I was looking into this like a day or two ago.
Those interceptor missiles are like somewhere between $1 to $12 million a pop.
So obviously, you know, using those missiles to intercept $20,000 drones, you can't do that forever, right?
You only have a limited amount of time where you can shoot down these drones and missiles that it costs significantly less than these interceptors.
So a war of attrition is actually not to our favor or the Israelis.
This is why the 12-day war didn't last much longer and why the Israelis were literally begging for a ceasefire because they were getting hit really hard and they understood that it's only a matter of time in a war of attrition that they're going to start to lose.
Actually, interestingly enough, it benefits the Iranians.
Can I ask you a follow-up question on that, Myron?
Yeah.
So, if America goes in with the goal of toppling the regime or completely destroying the ballistic missile program and the nuclear program, and they don't achieve any of those goals, because maybe as soon as the war starts up, Iran starts sending off hypersonic missiles at Israel and U.S. military bases in the region, and we get American soldiers dying.
And they feel like the only way they can achieve some of their goals is by putting American boots on the ground.
Do you think America pulls back or doubles down and sends in more people?
Boots on the ground would be political suicide for Trump, to be honest with you.
The boots on the ground would be absolute political suicide if he did that.
I mean, look, we're probably going to lose the midterms anyway.
But that would, yeah, that would be political suicide.
That wouldn't just kill Trump's image, you know, alongside all the Epstein stuff.
That would hurt JD Vance too and his run in 2028 if he tried to.
So I think that would be a huge, huge blunder to try to put boots on the ground.
And here's the other thing, too.
Unpopular opinion here, we're going to get fucked up.
Like, you know, we could potentially win that conflict.
But guys, keep in mind, you know, special forces, you know, tier one operators were struggling to fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
You know, we're talking about guys using fucking World War II weaponry, right?
You know, able to hold back some of the top soldiers in the world only based on the environment.
You know, these mountainous environments are extremely unforgiving as far as for invading countries, right?
We saw this with the Mujahideen and the Russians in the 1980s.
Osama bin Laden was able to beat and push the Soviets back using a bunch of ragtag militia guys because the environment was so unforgiving for the Russians.
And as an invading country, you face a significantly uphill battle, a significantly larger uphill battle when you invade.
Even if you have a superior military, superior technology, et cetera, the invading country always has a huge deficit to catch up.
So even with our military mind, even with our skilled soldiers, we're talking tier one, tier two operators.
They're going to struggle, dude.
They struggled against the Taliban.
They're going to do even worse against the IRGC.
So I think boots on the ground not just is political suicide for the Trump administration, it's also going to get our boys and girls killed.
Surveillance State Implementation 00:08:46
Absolutely.
And I don't think that's the move if we struggle against the Taliban.
What if one of the goals is actually to implement that surveillance state and by getting people angry and out protesting and acting a fool gives them a reason to implement that?
You know, then you kind of kill two birds with one stone if the goal is regime change and surveillance state in America and you don't care about the U.S. dollar because you're planning on not inflating the depth way anyway.
I'm a little confused by your question.
Are you saying that like they would send boots on the ground purposely so they could get, I guess, fight an uphill battle, take some casualties and use that to justify putting more boots on the ground?
Is that what you're asking?
No.
So if you just pointed out how it would be political suicide here in America and deeply unpopular and it would get both the left and the right out into the streets because people would be angry.
If you look at all the donations that Trump has taken from big tech and the surveillance state, they do need to manufacture consent to implement some of the things they've been working towards with Palantir and the other big tech companies.
So hypothetically speaking, if they did put boots on the ground and people started acting up and protesting hard and getting crazy in the protests, would that not justify the technology that Palantir is trying to implement along with all the other surveillance state contracts that have been going out?
I think they're already implementing it right now.
And I think Minneapolis is probably going to be the grounds for this.
We know that what ICE is doing in Border Patrol is anyone that's like heckling them or following them, they're taking pictures of them and they're putting them into a database.
I am 99% sure that that database is probably going to be some type of Palantir-esque type software that they're going to utilize to keep a database of all these progressive agitators and these ICE raids.
So they're already collecting it right now.
Touche.
I mean, this would, if it does anger people on the right, it could actually allow people to collect that info on both sides.
But, you know, I don't think we're quite at the point where they're justified in rolling out everything they want to yet.
But you're right.
They have already started down that path.
Yeah, they're just doing it surreptitiously now, but they're absolutely using that.
And I know for a fact, because I used to work for HSI, I used to work for ICE.
You know, all the government agencies have some version of Palantir.
So I would not be surprised whatsoever.
And it's a very powerful software.
I would not be surprised if they're not using it right now to identify all these agitators, put them all in a database.
And then, you know, at some point, who knows, they might do a huge fucking roundup, right?
And pick all these people up down the road, do a massive indictment and grab all these people for impeding official duties.
Because I think at this point, you know, Minneapolis finally started using state and locals to augment what the feds have going on.
But I think at this point, they're starting to realize, like, look, these blue cities will leave us out to dry if push comes to shove.
They're more scared of their potential voter base getting pissed off than law and order.
So I would not be surprised if some indictment comes down the road and arrests a massive amount of these people.
We know the signal chats got leaked.
We know that they're using this database to identify people.
So I would not be surprised if there was a massive indictment that arrested a bunch of people all across Minneapolis.
Sounds like one of those FEMA camp conspiracies you're talking about right there, man.
Yeah, but I mean, look, when it comes to that, I think these agitators are in the wrong when it comes to this immigration stuff, because a lot of these guys aren't there to actually protest.
They're there to agitate.
They're there to start problems.
They're there to impede law enforcement officials.
And I know some people here might not agree with me or not like me saying this.
But look, dude, if you're going to go ahead and put your hands on a federal agent or get in the way of them doing immigration enforcement, you're committing a felony.
And people need to remember that illegal aliens being in the United States is a crime.
We've kind of blunted our senses to the concept of illegal aliens for so long because so many politicians didn't want to deal with this catch-22 hot potato of enforcing immigration.
But don't forget that what ICE is doing is absolutely lawful.
And we voted for this in America, right?
Trump got elected off of foreign policy, no new wars, mass deportations, closing the border, the border down.
And he's, you know, he's done some of that.
He actually, you know, I got to give him credit where it's due.
I praise him when needed, but I also criticize him when needed.
When it comes to closing down the border, he did a fantastic job.
The border is closed.
With all those extra assets in Border Patrol, he moved those guys into Interior City so that they can actually properly conduct interior immigration enforcement, which is something that is unprecedented that most other presidents have never done.
And they're doing that now.
And obviously they're getting quite a bit of backlash and there's going to be some problems.
But, you know, people need to understand that you can't come to the country illegally, stay here, and think that you're just going to stay.
And we've avoided this topic for so long that these progressives actually think they're in the right by opposing and or impeding federal law enforcement as they do their job.
So, you know, and Alex Predi, Renee Good, however you might feel about their shootings, you might dislike it from a moral perspective.
You might not agree.
It might have you outraged.
That's fine.
But what we need to understand here, outside of how you feel, we got to go off what's real.
Just because it's awful doesn't mean it was not lawful.
And both shootings are absolutely lawful.
Do not impede federal agents as they're conducting operations, lawful operations, and you're not going to get shot.
That's the reality, dude.
And people don't like that, but that's the truth.
Both shootings are lawful.
Well, I don't know if you heard about Trump's new directive, but he did actually just say, I believe it was earlier today or the day before, that ICE officials are no longer allowed to arrest American citizens and mess with American citizens.
And they have actually been doing that.
They've been attacking people, you know, just for filming them.
And that's kind of what happened with the Alex Priddy situation.
So when you say Alex Priti was blocking them, that isn't really what the video shows.
They just got upset because he was videotaping them and then they assaulted him.
And I do understand that there was that other video that came out, you know, of him a few days ago.
And there's a good chance that he probably should have, you know, been in jail or at least been arrested for what he was doing.
But again, that's not ICE's job.
ICE does not do arrests of citizens.
They're there to carry out deportations.
So they're kind of going beyond that.
That's 100% incorrect.
You're wrong there.
That's not true whatsoever.
If American citizens impede official duties, they absolutely can get arrested for 18 USC 111.
That is a charge that anyone can get.
The only reason ICE has been dealing with and/or arresting or detaining U.S. citizens is because U.S. citizens put themselves in between ICE and the subjects that they are trying to arrest.
That is why.
And that's why some of these people get detained, get arrested, et cetera.
As far as Alex Priddy goes, the video shows it clear as day.
A border patrol agent is encounter in the middle of an encounter with a female, pushes her.
Alex Pretty comes, walks up to him and puts his hand on the agent.
And that's when the agent pepper sprays him and a struggle ensues.
I don't know why you're putting a thumbs down.
This is exactly what's on the video.
You know, so that obviously led to an interaction where Alex Prady was wrestled down to the ground.
Somebody yelled gun.
They disarmed him.
The gun went off as they were disarming him.
At the time, the agents did not know that he had been disarmed.
They did not know that the gunshot that fired was an accidental discharge.
And they presumed that it might have come from the subject.
And that's when they fired.
And, you know, you guys could put thumbs down all you guys want.
But the reality is that law enforcement is not judged on 2020 highsight like you guys are trying to do right now.
Law enforcement and use of force in general is judged from a, was it reasonable based on their perception at the time the shots were fired?
I cannot stress this enough.
And this is why you progressives tend to be fucking retards because you guys go off of how you feel versus what's real.
What does the law say?
The law says if the use of force was reasonable based on the facts and circumstances known to the individual that exercised that force, then the shooting is clear.
And in this case, you got an agitator.
You got a guy that came up and touched the agent first.
He assaulted the agent first.
He committed a felony.
They tried to detain him.
He resisted.
He got wrestled down to the ground.
He had a gun.
Like, this is just, it is what it is.
Like, look, we can say that something sucks and it's bad, but it's still lawful.
And Alex Pretty should have been more responsible and a better judge of how to behave as a concealed carry owner.
He should know better.
The Situation Would Be Much Worse 00:02:23
Myron, just a question, bringing the conversation back to Iran.
When I look at what's going to happen in Iran, to me, it seems like there is a possibility that you could end up with a serious situation.
I was obviously against what was happening at the rebellion in Syria for the same reason, because my view was that they would, first of all, it would be health Israel.
And the second thing is that the situation would be much worse after that than it was before.
And you saw all these functions go in.
You saw civil war for a very long time.
You saw paid mercenaries go in.
And you saw an elongated war for 10 years that resulted in so much loss of life, so much injuries.
Bringing this back to Iran, you would have, in my view, a much worse situation.
They would fund the MEK, they would fund the Balochistanis, maybe even the Kurds.
You basically have, and then you had Mossad operatives in the ground, you would have CIA operatives on the ground, you would basically pay mercenaries from Central Asia or from the Turkic regions.
And you basically would result in probably a much more ferocious civil war because the IIGC is very strong.
The people who are pro-government are very strong.
The factions who disagree with them are strong.
And so you could have so much loss of life if this goes pear-shaped.
What's your thoughts on that?
American public's not going to stomach it, man.
The wounds of Iraq are still very, very deep.
And a lot of people are waking up to it now.
And I think the youth, the young people, are going to have even less of a stomach for it because a lot of these people weren't alive during 9-11.
So they didn't get the propaganda indoctrination that we got, right?
Anyone that's in their 30s here, we all vividly remember 9-11.
We all vividly remember George Bush famously being at Ground Zero saying to the firefighters, I hear you.
And the people that did this are going to hear all of us very soon, right?
Like these iconic moments, right?
We remember when he addressed the United States of 9-11.
Remember when he was down there in Sarasota reading a book to the kids and he gets told 9-11 happened?
We remember all that.
These young people don't.
So they didn't deal with the propaganda of Kool-Aid that we did 20 years ago.
So they're looking at this conflict with a fresh set of eyes and they're like, what the fuck are we going to war in the Middle East for?
Framing The Situation 00:15:07
Right?
Weapons of mass destruction.
That was a lie.
So I think the American public in general, both old and young, are not going to stomach it.
The older guys like us are going to, that, you know, there aren't retards.
We're going to be like, yep, they lied to us about Iraq.
Why are we doing this?
And then the young people, they're going to have even less sources because they're like, well, what are we doing here?
There's no justification.
Like, are you guys stupid?
Like, you guys got fooled once already.
So I don't really see any class of American, unless you're like a dumb boomer that is super pro-Israel Zionist supporting this conflict.
That's an L in every way.
But real quick, I do want to say, because it seems like Jay Scott and Dr. Tausa Madhavi keep putting thumbs down when I'm saying facts.
What is wrong with my assessment of Alex Preddy?
Because I've noticed that you progressives can never actually debate me on the facts.
You guys always use feelings.
How am I wrong?
Why are you just said we're progressives?
How do you like, how would you say that?
Why would you say I'm a progressive?
I'm an independent.
I'm not a progressive.
But I have seen the video footage of what you're describing.
And the way you're describing it is as if you saw someone's police camera.
They never released it.
There is a reason why they didn't release it.
I watched a video that was taken by a witness at the scene.
And after he was disarmed, they shot him three times in.
Okay, let's back up.
Let's back up.
I mean, you're now, you're now interrupting me.
I never interrupted you, except once.
But I just think that.
So what is your take on January 6th?
And what is your take on January 6th?
The fact that a lot of those guys were concealed carrying and they ran into the, you know, whatever and they destroyed property.
I know I'm not saying I'm for it or against it, but to me, it's such a hypocrisy that a lot of the Republicans that were so hungho about, oh, January 6th was peaceful.
How come they were treated that way?
And they were sentenced to 20 years imprisonment.
They were legally carrying a weapon, just like this guy was, right?
And, you know, I guess a couple of people died during January 6th, etc.
But it's such a hypocrisy that when the Republicans do it, it's fine.
But when the progressives or the Democrats do it on the other side and they get shot dead, it's just so legal.
Like it's totally legal and you can get shot to death by ICE or police if you interfere.
No, the police are trained to de-escalate and they didn't do, they haven't done anything to de-escalate.
And that woman that was shot in her head, like execution style.
And, you know, the police are trained not to jump in front of a car that is, let's say, supposedly trying to hurt them.
But that dude, that ICE person that obviously is not trained well, obviously is panicking, actually jumps in front of a car that is trying to soar away and run or whatever.
All right, you brought up multiple instances here.
Can we focus on one real quick?
You brought up January 6th.
You brought up Renee Good.
Let's stick to Pretty.
And if you want to address the other ones, we can.
But let's go off of Alex Predty real fast.
Okay, I noticed you started the story at the part where they disarmed him, but we need to back up if we're going to actually go ahead and properly assess this because the totality of the circumstances absolutely matter.
Okay.
We can't just start the story off when he's disarmed.
What led to him being disarmed?
He put his hands on a federal agent as a federal agent was dealing with another suspect that is extremely what?
He raised his hand to stop that ICE agent.
Hold on.
Stop, stop, stop.
What did he do?
What did he do?
They were trying to take that woman.
I don't know what that woman had done, but he was.
Okay.
That's irrelevant.
So he pushes the woman.
What did Alex Predty do after he pushed that woman?
What did he do?
I'm sorry.
Who did what?
What did he do?
As ICE was dealing with the woman, what happened after that?
Well, he tried to intervene.
Okay, right there.
Shut the fuck up.
You're done.
You lost.
You're done.
He committed a crime.
You're done.
Everything that you say from that point forward is done.
It's done.
You said coswords against me.
No, because you're failing to realize that you just made that argument for me.
Look, Okay, woman.
Look, look, look, look.
See, I'm trying to be patient with you and I'm trying to be polite here.
Oh, really?
You don't realize.
You don't realize that you just made you.
Can you?
Can you have a situation as if like okay, because here's the problem, let's have a proper conversation yeah, so here's it.
She doesn't realize that her entire argument is done off of that.
As soon as Alex Pretty walked up to that Border Patrol agent and put his hands on that board of patrol agent as he was dealing with someone else, he forfeited all privilege.
All right to you know, continue doing what he was doing, because at that point now he's officially interfering.
Now here's the problem.
Right?
She wants to sit there and say, oh well, he should be able to do that with no consequence.
No, you cannot put your hands on a federal agent as he's dealing with someone else and then think that nothing's gonna happen.
And as soon as he did, the agent pepper sprayed him, rightfully.
So you cannot put your hands on a federal agent as they're there lawfully conducting some type of immigration enforcement operation.
It does not matter what he was dealing with, the woman.
For we that that's not relevant.
What we do know is that that guy walked up to him and touched him first.
At that point it's done.
You have no leg to stand on, legally.
So yeah, so your framing is wrong, Myron.
Um, you know, I don't.
I know it's a lot of videos that have been going around.
However, the Alex Pretty did not walk up to the agents.
The agents walked up to him because they didn't want to be videotaped, and what they were doing?
You just said yourself that they're making up a database of everyone who's videotaping them.
Um, so the last thing they want is to be watched right now, and the truth is, what I saw was a man videotaping him.
Then the officer comes up to pretty much.
Let me finish, let me finish.
Let me finish what i'm saying.
Let me finish what i'm saying.
As he walked up to Alex Predty, then they both seemed to have put their hands on each other at the same time.
And at no point did the officer say, stop, you are under arrest.
From that point, it went straight to throwing him on the ground, beating him up.
Next thing you know, they disarm him and then shoot him.
And your description of Alex Predty's gun going off and then the officer firing is also not what I have seen.
I heard that theory going around, but if you zoom in and you watch what actually happened, it seems like every shot that went off went off from the same gun and it happened after Alex Predi was disarmed.
So you're framing of the whole situation.
Here's the thing.
Let me finish what I'm saying.
Your framing of the whole situation is wrong.
And if the government actually wanted to get to the bottom of it, what they would have said was, hey, we're sorry Alex Predi is dead.
We're going to do an investigation.
At this time, we feel like the agents acted properly.
However, we are going to do an investigation to get to the bottom of it.
And if it turns out the officers were wrong, we will hold them accountable.
But that isn't what happened.
All they did was jump in and respond because you made about three or four points.
You're fucking lying, dude.
Like, yeah, Solima, I'm going to give you the clip right now and you could put it in the next page.
I've actually seen the clip, Marin.
And even though I have a different opinion to you on this, I agree with you in terms of the first bit.
So if you look at the first bit of the video, and I think this is why it's really important to be honest, even if we're in disagreement, if you look at the video, what happens is he is Pretty who moves towards the ICE agent because the ICE agent is pushing that woman.
So this claim that the ICE move towards Pretty is false.
After that, that's a different conversation.
Obviously, I'll let you go on.
But that specific bit where you're saying that ICE move towards Pretty is just dishonest.
Yeah, it's a lot.
And that's why, like, see, here's the thing.
If I'm going to go ahead and debate these people, we need to have an actual argument based on the facts.
And these guys are completely omitting an extremely critical fact.
As I'm on stream right now, I'm literally having it play and replay.
You can clearly see he pushes the woman and Alex Predty puts himself in between the agent and the woman.
That's when he gets pepper sprayed.
So for all you guys saying, oh, you're the facts aren't right, blah, blah, blah.
None of you know what you're talking about.
As soon as he put hands on the agent, it was done.
Okay.
The only thing you can do is put hands on the only thing on the hands of the agent is from it's that one is not fully clear, because what I've we've seen it from a few angles drawer holds the position that actually uh, the agent did it first and we try, there's no angle from the front.
I think we would know unequivocally if there was an actual angle from the front.
And do you get?
I'm trying to say from there where the I mean bro, you can see it.
I'm literally replaying it on my stream, like you can see it clear as day.
He pushes the woman, she falls to the floor and then he immediately gets it between her and and and the guy, and between her and the agent, and then he gets pepper sprayed immediately after doing that.
So like, i'm just gonna get the video up that you've got.
Which?
Which video are you looking at?
Okay, i'm gonna give you a link right now.
Give me one sec, i'm gonna literally give it to you so everyone here can look, because these people that i'm debating with are lying and it's annoying because it's like we're not even debating the facts anymore.
They're coming up with some make-believe um set of facts and circumstances that just simply aren't true, and anyone, Anyone that has two sets of eyes, you can see that literally the aggressor here was this guy Predty coming up to the agent.
You can't touch a federal agent and not expect to get, you know, fucked up to some degree.
You can't do that.
So give me one sec.
I'm going to literally give you January 6th.
We're not talking about January 6th.
Why are you moving the goalpost to January 6th?
No one's talking about January 6th.
Because it's nothing to do with this conversation.
That has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion on Alex Predty and immigration enforcement.
That has nothing to do with it.
So I just getting the video up.
I just gave it to you.
If you could put it in the fucking nest, so everyone that's watching this can see.
You can see it clear as day.
It's a five-second clip.
He pushes the woman, right?
He pushes the woman, and then Alex Pretty gets in between him.
It's clear as day.
Like, I don't want to hear anything from these libtards.
They don't know what they're talking about.
I'm just going to put the tweet in the nest.
One second.
I'm doing it right now.
And then I was going to go through Gruel through it with Myron as well.
So let me just slow-mo this.
So we see basically this guy.
He's first of all, Alex Pretty, is hugging the first woman, and the second woman is pushing.
So he moves away from the first woman towards the second woman.
The officer at one second now is pushing the woman.
Alex Pretty definitely moves towards him.
This is why it's really important to be honest.
Like, I like I disagree with the overall, like, what I said, but like, I'm always honest about what I said.
I think that impacts credibility.
So there you can see Alex is moving towards the agent.
And then, one second, I'm at two seconds.
See, wait.
So, yeah, can you see at one second, Myron?
Yeah, when it goes to one second, it looks like he's touching him.
But if you look at the other angle, because the angle, you can't fully tell.
So it looks like in the left hand, he's about to touch it.
Him, he doesn't end up touching him with his, sorry, with his right hand.
I think it might be one second.
Let me get this right again.
Right hand, sorry.
It looks like he's going to touch him on his right hand.
He does move his left hand in between, but I'm saying, like, it's not definite that you can tell that he pushed him.
Because if you look at the agent's left hand, he pushed as well.
And so I'm saying I'm a bitch.
He doesn't have to push him.
As soon as he put hands on him, it's over.
It's done.
So I'm saying I'm not sure if Pretty actually put hands on him.
That's the bit.
Are you trying to say even if the agent touches him first and then Pretty responds with his hands on him, that then is the issue?
Is that what you're trying to say?
Are you looking at the same video I'm looking at?
The five-second clip?
It literally in between the woman and the agent, and he puts his hand on the agent first.
He closes the distance.
Agent pushes and he goes in the middle.
We're in agreement about him closing the distance.
I totally agree with you on that one.
That bit we're not in disagreement about.
And then what happens is if you look at it, I've paused it at one second.
I don't know if it might be like one point something.
At that point, his right hand isn't touching the agent.
It looks like it may have done because just from the angle, but it's actually not touching it.
His left hand is now moving between the agent and the chick.
And then what happens is there is a left hand moving towards it.
Then what happens is you can see, where's it gone?
The guy's left hand now.
You can see it touches.
Can you see the guy's left hand is definitely touching the agent, but the agent's hand is already touching the agent.
Look, look, look, I'm going to be, let me be very blunt about this because I'm the only person that actually worked in law enforcement and understands this on a very deep level.
As soon as you get in between a federal agent dealing with another subject, you are impeding and you committed a crime.
And that's what Alex Predty did.
And then everything that happens after that, it is what it is.
To be there, to be there protesting is one thing.
But then to put your hands on a federal agent as he's dealing with another subject while you're armed as a CCW holder is 50 IQ behavior.
Absolutely stupid.
Okay.
So Myron, on that, just three points.
So I agree with you that he moves towards the agent.
And I agree with you that he impedes.
Sorry?
He has no leg to stand on.
He impeded the agent.
It's over.
Like, I know.
We could have an argument, a morality, or was it the right course or whatever?
But from a legal perspective, as soon as he did that, he forfeited all leverage.
Done.
Yeah.
And I think I brought a lot of people up that day to debate you on the legal aspect, and all of them kind of end up agreeing with you.
But I'm just saying about this specific thing, there's three aspects to it.
The first one is, did he move towards the agent?
Yes, he did.
The video clearly shows that.
Did he impede the agent as in going between the agent and the woman?
Yes, he did.
I'll be honest about that.
The third point is, did he touch the agent?
That one I'm agnostic about.
That's the only thing I'm saying.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you know, you don't have to necessarily, I can see him touching the agent with his left hand, but that's or right hand.
I forget which hand it is.
Let me look at the thing again.
So, so really quick, you know, I required.
Yeah, so he puts his hand.
Okay, at two seconds, you can see he has his left hand on the agent.
His right hand has the phone.
And his left hand is.
I know why you're saying that.
I know why you're saying that because it's the angle.
But actually, the only way you would know if he's touching or whether it's very close to him, but not touching is if you had the angle from the front, is what I'm saying.
Okay, either way, him putting his hand like that to try to get himself in between the agent and the woman is impeding, irrelevant of him touching.
Him touching him is not necessarily required for him to impede the law enforcement officer.
So it's kind of a moot point.
Yeah, I agree.
Mixed Messages Matter 00:15:08
I agree.
So on that one, I'm saying you debated many people on this space the other day, even people who vehemently disagreed with you, even Joel, who researched you so much and they all capitulated to your point on that.
And I was like, why are you capitulating?
You guys acted like bad men for two days.
So that, but that's what's happening.
And that's why.
Because these people that are arguing with me, Jay Scott and Dr. Madhavi, like you guys, like you guys don't even know that Alex got in between.
So we can't even have a rational conversation because you guys think that the agent is the one that closed the distance when it was really Alex Predty.
And this is why, you know, it's such a pain in the ass to debate progressives because you guys live in your own little looney tomorrow where you guys aren't even going to look at visual evidence that he is the one that impeded.
He impeded, so he forfeits all privilege, bro.
He forfeits all the people.
So you keep calling us progressive.
And number one, I will admit I got that wrong, but Dr. Padavi did actually say from the start that, you know, she agreed that he did go up to the ICE agent.
So she and her did not have the exact same position.
But hold on.
Let me finish.
Let me finish what I'm saying, Mario.
Let me finish what I'm saying.
No, no, because if you go and do a quick analysis of when officers and agents have the right to use lethal force, they have to be under the assumption that there's a lethal threat to their life.
At no point did Alex Predi present any form of lethal threat to the officer's life.
So there was no reason for him to be executed.
So I can see to you, I think it's always good to go with one item at a time rather than like so first, so first you guys, so you guys can see that Alex Preddy did initiate this and did impede.
So honestly, I shouldn't even be talking to you guys anymore because you already lost the debate, but let's go ahead and go through this again.
So he has a gun on him.
Okay.
Off of that alone.
Okay.
That justifies deadly force.
Okay.
The officer didn't know that.
They yelled gun while they were dealing with him on the other side.
That was after they already assaulted him and had him on the ground.
If he did something illegal, the first reaction should have been, you are under arrest, not beating the guy up, assaulting him.
So pepper spraying him and grabbing him by the hand, doesn't that imply that they're trying to detain him at that point and he resisted?
Like don't you don't know at some point don't officers say you are under arrest stop put your hands behind your back and guess what they have the body cam footage But they won't release it because they know it will only embarrass the officer and they probably need to put criminal charges okay at exactly four seconds.
What does the agent do?
He grabs his left hand and what does he do?
He tries to put it behind his back to try to detain him as he's pepper spraying him with his right hand.
Now, we don't know what verbal commands he gave at this point, but whether he gave the verbal command or not, when they grab your hand and try to put it on your back, a common sense individual would be like, oh, they're drugging.
You don't know what he was trying to do.
There are holes that people put people in when they're trying to do that.
They didn't put George Floyd in handcuffs when they had their knee on his neck.
So you don't know what exactly they were trying to do to him.
And unless the guy says stop, you are under arrest.
Put your hands behind your back.
He is not handling that situation properly.
I will know you don't, you're not law enforcement.
So number one, you don't even, you can't even make that call.
Now, I'll tell you what he was doing.
He was trying to put him in what's called a POD, a position of disadvantage.
Okay.
Whether you go all the way and put handcuffs on him or not, that's irrelevant.
But you can see right away, he pepper sprays him and tries to force him to the ground as he grabs his left arm, presumably to put his hand behind his back.
That's when he starts to struggle, okay?
Law enforcement is taught whenever you have someone like this, that's a male that can pose a physical threat to you, right?
Remember, he's dealing with two women, and then notice how he immediately zeroes in on Alex Predi after.
This is common law enforcement training.
You must deal with the biggest threat first.
An able-bodied male is obviously going to be a bigger threat than two women.
This is why the agent puts all his attention on Predty as he pepper sprays him and tries to bring him down to the ground, which is called the position of disadvantage.
Okay.
Now, we could go ahead and argue about verbal commands, all the other shit, which I guarantee there are probably verbal commands given here because law enforcement is literally trained as they pepper spray you or use some type of force to give you commands as they do it.
But let's assume that he's not even giving commands.
It doesn't matter because they're grabbing him and trying to bring him to the ground and he resists.
Okay.
Then as he resists, right?
That's when other agents come in.
Someone says gun.
All right.
But unbeknownst to the law enforcement officials, because there's like seven of them there, someone disarms him and moves the gun away.
The gun goes off.
The other people that were dealing with the suspect, right?
But we don't know.
You don't know that's what happened.
When you said the gun went off, you're making an assumption there.
And an investigation would actually reveal whether there was two different guns that went off or if it was the same gun.
Because the analysis I've seen said all the shots came from one gun.
It was confirmed that the SIG Sauer went off.
There was an accidental discharge.
The gun that he has is notorious for misfiring and having ADs.
The gun went off, and that is what prompted the agents to shoot.
Also, another important fact that you guys are conveniently omitting here is that as Alex Predty was on the floor struggling with the agents, he was moving his right hand in a way where they didn't know what he was doing.
And the agent that shot him shot him from his left.
So if you see someone reaching on their right-hand side, right, whether they have a gun or not, that's not, that doesn't matter.
Someone could presume after being heard, after being told gun, gun, gun, and hearing a gunshot that this might be the firearm that they're talking about.
And that's why they shot him.
Okay.
Now, we find out later that he was reaching for a magazine or something else, but you don't have to be perfect when it comes to use of force.
Was it reasonable for the agent to shoot given all the facts and circumstances?
Let's go through this.
He grabs an unruly subject.
Subject doesn't want to comply.
He struggles with him.
As they get him down to the floor, one of your companions.
But there was no orders to comply.
There was no orders to comply with Myron.
Dude, shut up, dude.
Like, you're just like at this point, like, what?
He's literally grabbing him by the arm and pepper spraying him.
Like, come on, dude.
Let's use some common sense here.
Why is he pepper spraying him and trying to get him to the ground?
Sounds like an assault to me.
Okay.
Anyway, now you're just being difficult for no reason.
So, anyway, as he's down on the floor and he's struggling, the agent can't see what's going on on the right-hand side because he's on his left side.
He just heard the command, he just heard someone yell gun.
They disarmed, and unbeknownst to him, a fire, a shot goes off.
They presume, oh, was that the gun from this individual?
We need to shoot him.
And that's what happened, dude.
And look, it's all based on objectable reasonableness and perception.
At the time, when he shot the shots, it was a reasonable thing to do at that time because they did not know that he was disarmed.
Listen, what I will say, Jay, one second.
We're just going.
I am going to be wrapping up the space soon.
So, Beatrix, did you have a question?
And if not, and then I want to bring it back to Iran and then wrap up soon.
So, go ahead, Beatrix.
Yeah, I just have a few points for Myron.
I think this is a really interesting discussion, Myron.
So, I think there's a bit of confusion around this, and I'll tell you why.
Because, whatever perspective you take on the video, because there's quite a few videos that have been released from different angles, and I've seen official accounts, government accounts, saying, and I'm quoting verbatim, Pete saying, if you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you.
Don't do it.
And these comments from official government accounts community noted saying the U.S. Constitution, and then it says in brackets, particularly the second, fourth, and 14th amendments prohibit officers from shooting citizens merely for possessing a weapon that is not an imminent threat.
This was reaffirmed in Graham versus Connor, which says force must be reasonable.
So, they're actually saying it had to be an imminent threat.
Now, personally, I didn't see an imminent threat there.
But let's just say that's because you're speaking from a 2020 hindsight perspective.
It's easy for you to say that you don't see an imminent threat when you're looking at multiple camera angles and you have the privilege of what matters is this: if you resist law enforcement while armed, they're going to assume that is an imminent threat.
Done.
No, no, no, no.
But let's just say there's a difference of opinion there.
Okay.
Your opinion is irrelevant because what matters is the perception of the person that shoots.
Let's just say you're right hypothetically.
It doesn't matter what your opinion is.
Like, it does not fucking matter.
Myron, it's not my opinion.
I'm just giving you the community note.
I've got a broader point here.
Let's just say hypothetically, there's a difference of opinion.
Let's say they thought it was an imminent threat or whatever it was.
Okay.
That's just a for me, that's a like a side point.
Okay, let's just say hypothetically, right?
It was an imminent threat.
Okay.
I think the issue here is that there was this quite a few mixed messages.
And I'll tell you what it is.
Firstly, for whatever reason, the footage from the cameras of the ICE agents hasn't been released.
Okay.
So I think that doesn't help.
There's a legal aspect spread out.
So, differences aside, okay?
I think that genuinely some other people, unnamed people, may be protesting ICE tactics because US citizens have been arrested by ICE, and this is documented.
And they're US citizens.
And I think the procedure is terrifying.
Completely irrelevant.
I think that I think the aftermath, and there's just a few issues.
I think the way that the aftermath is from the leadership, and I mentioned this the other day in terms of the language, the rhetoric used.
I mean, they could have said, look, you know, ICE agents felt threatened by Alex was best in the circumstances.
Sorry for the family, blah, blah, blah.
We're going to have a full investigation.
But what we get as the first sentence is he was a domestic terrorist, which just inflames things because some people may be agitators, but people are genuinely concerned that U.S. citizens are being arrested.
And then on top of that, mixed messages.
None of this matters, dude.
Yo, look, look, look, look.
Like, all of these are making a bunch of nothing to do with the facts.
No, no, but let me just finish this.
All of that is completely irrelevant.
Let me just look.
Why do you guys keep bringing up things that are completely irrelevant to the shooting?
We're not lawfulness.
We've got an ice background.
We don't care about 2020 hindsight, man.
Like, we do not care about 2020 hindsight.
You guys keep bringing up what was said after the fact, what Christy Noam said, what Trump said.
Nobody gives a fuck.
None of that matters.
What matters is this.
What did the Board of Petro Agent know at the time he pulled the trigger?
That's the only thing that matters in this case.
Myron, holy shit.
Let me just say that.
This has been extremely painful and ridiculous because I got a bunch of foreigners that don't understand the Second Amendment trying to tell me about use of force in the United States from a law enforcement perspective.
I don't want to sound like an asshole or appeal to authority, but quite frankly, all of you are speaking from an extremely limited purview, and none of you know what the fuck you're talking about.
So this has been extremely painful for me to sit here and extract this.
I've waited patiently.
I still don't understand this because this is a concept that's not.
Myra, listen to me.
I've listened to you.
I've got a few more points to make.
So there's no points that you're making.
You're not making any points at all.
My chat is losing their minds.
They're listening to you guys speaking.
They're like, why the fuck are these women talking?
I'm happy to listen to your response, but let me finish.
You're not making any points.
This is about illegal.
ICE can arrest citizens.
ICE can enforce immigration.
ICE was lawfully there.
These individuals impeded them.
Done.
And the story.
My red argument.
Let me just finish, please.
Right.
So last week, Trump said illegalism, right?
Some of them can.
Yo, I'm going to give you 20 seconds to say what you got to say.
I'm going to give you 20 seconds.
I am going to say in 10 seconds.
Last week, missed messages from Trump.
So the whole thing here is about.
This is what you said, people vote right, they vote for this immigration.
Last week, Trump gave mixed messages and said, you know what?
Those that are working, even if they're illegal.
Okay, I think I gotta refresh my page.
She's kind of out.
Oh my god dude.
Oh my god bro.
Oh my god dude, holy shit.
People are stupid.
As like this is extremely stressful.
Uh, I don't know why Twitter's acting fucking retarded.
Let me, let me close this tab, yo chat.
Oh my god dude, holy fuck.
Like this is incredible how stupid people are.
In fuck, incredible.
There is nothing worse than having triple digit iq and talking to people that have single digit iq.
Bro, in fuck incredible.
Um ready um, If there is an attack on Iran, we will start the space immediately.
Byron, we are wrapping up.
Is there anything you want to say the last five seconds?
Look, man, it's amazing to me how everyone is talking about January 6th, talking about Trump's statements after Christy Noam's statements after.
None of that matters, dude.
And the fact that people keep moving the goalposts and aren't talking about the lawfulness of this shoot versus all these other factors that have absolutely nothing to do with the shoot just goes to show that, quite frankly, a lot of you guys are in your emotions and can't process raw information and look at things objectively.
And it's actually been extremely painful and shows me how stupid a lot of progressives are.
No offense, but some of you guys are fucking retarded.
This is incredible.
We're about to be wrapping up the space.
I appreciate coming on, Myron.
Appreciate every single person who came on the space.
Ryan Dawson, Sam.
In fucking credible.
In fucking credible, how stupid people are.
That is fucking painful, dude.
Like, I show the fucking evidence that the guy closed the gap.
Like, how many more fucking times do I have to show that video?
Right?
Fucking Retarded Progressives 00:05:45
And they're still sitting here arguing with me.
And I'm just like, what?
Niggas are retarded, bro.
Fuck.
Holy shit.
Let me fix my audio.
Give me one sec, guys.
Dude, incredible.
Give me one sec.
All right.
There we go.
I think that should be leveled right there.
Audio should be a lot better.
Sorry about that, guys.
Okay, we're good here.
Yeah, dude.
Holy shit, chat.
Like, that was fucking painful, man.
That was, I fucking hate stupid people, dude.
Holy fuck, man.
That's why, dude, like, a lot of these progressives are fucking retards, man.
Like, they're so stupid.
Every single person I've debated on this topic gets smoked because they can't stick to the facts.
They just cannot stick to the facts, bro.
So dumb.
So fucking dumb.
And it's always Brits.
It's always these fucking foreigner Brits, these pro-Palestine retards.
Like, holy fuck, dude.
All right.
Anyway, let's read some of these chats.
Fucking shit, man.
Okay, send her back to the kitchen where she belongs.
Yeah, the sheer inability of these people to process logic is incredible.
Wow, I'm appalled.
This bitch, man, yeah, bro.
Mikey says, My liberals, foreigner, and women are retarded.
Keep cooking them.
Yeah, they're stupid, dude.
Land the plane or crash it.
Commander Arian.
I love how everyone arguing from the left assumes that Perry was a fucking retard and didn't understand basic law enforcement.
He was a veteran that also had a carry permit.
He knew damn well what he was getting into.
Yep.
Been seeing how people summon Netanyahu like he's God calling him net.
Where's the video Alex recorded?
It will exonerate him.
Sure, they would release that just like they released the video of Goods Partner.
Bro is a George Floyd sympathizer.
That's how you know he's low IQO.
Really?
Please let these idiots know what an officer has to treat physical conversations as if a gun is involved.
Yeah, bro.
They couldn't even understand that.
What is your recommendation to vets that want to join ICE?
Well, it might be tough for you now.
Notice that the majority of people who celebrated Kirk's death are aggressively protesting ICE are women.
Why?
Because women are stupid.
Fear, I fucked a cuck's wife and nut in her.
What the fuck?
Husband is rich and old, but she fucked me because I'm 25.
W me.
Uh.
What the fuck?
Okay.
FredX.
Don't know if you already brought it up, but apparently the U.S. went into Scotland and took people Maduro style.
Chewy M subscribe.
Shout out to you.
I want to capitalize.
What stock should I be against before this war happens?
Fear, do you cheat meals or is that yay?
I mean, if you're doing a prolonged diet, yeah, you'll probably have to do refeed days.
What does war mean for our economy?
Will it get bad or does it won't affect us that much?
It'll be bad for economy.
Oscar says, Just a question about your merch.
I ordered the same merch and notice they're not using the Nike anymore.
The two I got with the same materials, the French Fit merch.
Are they going back to Nike?
No, no more Nike Odyssey's.
They wrote us a letter.
They're pissed off.
W. Frank, send them back.
I live in a building next to American Social a few blocks.
Okay, we're good.
I think we're caught up here.
Okay, Amari, can you cover the Sean Grayson update?
Don't throw water at cops, even boiling water.
Last time I checked, he got convicted.
That Beatrix Kiddo girl is notorious for yapping.
Yeah, bro.
Fucking retard, dude.
Brought up a whole bunch of shit that doesn't matter.
Like, they're just completely obfuscating.
Bring up like January 6th or whatever.
So stupid, dude.
So fucking dumb.
Dude, I fucking hate stupid people, bro.
Hate stupid people, bro.
Woman is horrible at measuring threats.
These are the same careers that are dangerous, but still get shit faced at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Trump said he's going to announce his Fed chair replacement tomorrow morning.
Where should I start to become a personal trainer?
Which agency should I get certifications from?
I need the three main ones, man.
NASM, whatever.
But I don't suggest you become a personal trainer in person, dude.
You're going to be trading time for money.
That just sucks.
Shout out to username on Kik with the five gifted.
Shout out to all you guys on Kik that are supporting.
How long have we been on now?
We've been on for hour 45.
Okay.
Let's see here.
So what we're going to do, guys, let me see here.
We're actually going to get into the news.
We're going to move on to kick, guys.
Okay.
Doing an experiment, as you guys know.
We're going to move on to kick and OSS only.
Okay.
Does not make sense for me to be on fucking YouTube that much longer, as you guys know.
I'm demonetized on this bitch.
And these niggas are robbing me blind.
So just come on over to Kick.
We're going to keep streaming over there.
And then we're going to finish off on OSS.
So come on over.
And I don't want to have to censor myself too.
It's fucking annoying having to censor myself.
Hassan got banned on Twitch.
We'll talk about that too.
So mods, drop the kick link for them.
Drop the kick link.
Okay.
We are going to get off all the platforms except kick and OSS.
Okay.
We are trying something new.
We are going to cover Soyboy Kyle Kalinsky's talking points because he said some wild shit.
And we'll come back and revisit this whole thing.
But I'm going to end YouTube, guys, here in a second.
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