#640 “It is a disgrace that podcasters worked to push you out” w/Sean KB
Today we cover the BREAKING NEWS that Don Henley has issued a DMCA strike against DEATH CHAT 500 for trying to defend the Eagles. Also the president is dead. Or resigned. Or something. PLUS: we invite fellow union man, The Third Sean (of The Antifada) to talk about Teamster President SOB’s appearance at the RNC Is this a big deal? Can we flatter conservatives into pro-worker policies? Should our coworkers be sent to the hague for voting Republican? Listen to find out. Sign up at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult for $5/month and get 2 bonus episodes a week Listen to The Antifada (https://rss.com/podcasts/the-antifada/) and support them on Patre on (https://www.patreon.com/theantifada) Follow us on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/miniondeathcult Subscribe to our youtube channel at http://youtube.com/miniondeathcult Slab- Wombo Fisherrr- Cash Cobain
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All right, I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Union thugs are responsible, and we're documenting it.
What's up, everybody?
Right off the top of the show, got to introduce our guest here, friend of the show, frequent collaborator, fellow traveler in the trades, Sean KB.
What's up, dude?
Thanks for coming to the show.
Always a pleasure to be with you guys.
Folks at home can't see it, but I'm doing that little Trump dance.
Yeah.
Does that little boom, boom, boom, boom, boom thing.
I'm doing that because I'm excited to be back.
Last time we were all together was at the live show in Philly in late last year, right?
That's been a long time.
That's right.
It's wonderful to see you guys again.
Hell yeah.
That was when you ruined my life.
Last time I saw you, you absolutely ruined my life.
You actually made it a little bit better too, but the Tony Zinn era is thanks to Sean.
Sean gave me my first Zinns and I've been ripping them since.
And so you have him to thank for my addiction and my new svelte figure that I have from the appetite suppression that nicotine provides.
Like Tucker Carlson, you're a huge advocate of nicotine as a psychotropic substance.
Exactly.
I shot a great run of golf today because I got locked in.
I got locked in.
I was zoned in and I crushed it.
The first few holes I was struggling.
The Zen didn't hit yet.
And I popped another one and I went on a tear.
I got two pars and a birdie ended up, I crushed it.
And it was all, it was all thanks to you.
You were doing that little, little Trump dance.
I gotta say you're not the only person.
Cause also Andy, Same thing.
Andy was like in his mid thirties and I gave him one and now he's fucking.
Yeah, started making an addiction at 36.
Really cool.
Normal good thing.
So, OK, I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't do Zen.
Just remind me it's it's just a pouch, right?
It's a flavored tobacco pouch.
It's not just a pouch.
Oh, just a pouch.
No.
I'm just wondering why it's so special.
Why is it?
Is it because you guys are embarrassed to say pouch?
And so you have to say the name brand.
You have to turn it into a Band-Aid Kleenex thing.
It's like Kodak or Scotch tape or Kleenex.
You know, it's like there are substitutes to Zen, of course.
But they're not good.
They're all bad.
They're all bad.
We were in a drought.
We didn't have any Zins around me for like a month.
And I tried all the bootlegs and they all sucked.
And they had ones because they're having, you know, dosages.
So there's three and sixes.
Unfortunately, this fucker gave me a six as my first one.
So I've never been able to go back.
But their brands are like, it's like, oh, 11.
I'm like, okay, so that ought to work.
That ought to hit still.
And it does not.
They just don't work.
So this is the only one that works.
I think it's definitely killing us.
We're definitely going to die from this.
But but but less so than other applications.
Exactly.
I'll admit to you now that I get the sixes and I pop to it two at a time, but I'm in like middle to late stage of it.
Oh, don't do it.
Don't do as I say or don't do it.
I'm just picturing like a sort of Trad West Facebook meme, and on the left it's a, you know, a dirty tin of Copenhagen or whatever, and then on the right it's Soy Leniel with a man bun and a septum ring packing a little dainty pillow into his lip.
Unfortunately, I'm more affiliated with like frat bros, I think, than anything like, like college sports fans, I think is, is demographic.
But I, Hey, there's a lot of us out here.
There's a lot of us out here on the left.
You know, I've, I've, I've popped the tennis in for a comrade on the line before.
Um, you know, we, we got, we got through it together.
You know, once that, once that didn't hit, we were ready to, to attack.
Even the way that you like, you used to like share cigarettes, you know, like you'd bum a smoke off of somebody, you know, it's very similar with the Zen, but you just look like a, like kind of a fucking wussy, like taking one of those pillows, those light dainty pillows out of the thing, out of your buddy's 10 and pop.
And it's not like, Oh, let me bum a smoke, bro.
And you genuinely What I do is I put, like you Sean, I put two pouches in, but just to get the one started for my buddy.
Get it pre-moistened.
Get it, you know, because it doesn't instantly start going into your bloodstream.
You got to prime it a little bit.
You're a real sweetheart for that.
I love that.
Dudes rock, man.
Dudes rockin'.
I like the pillow though, because I, you know, I like to take a little edge off myself.
I don't like to look so aggressive.
Um, you know, I, I like to try to do whatever I can do to combat the, you know, the, the angry black man syndrome.
Um, and that's why I like to show everybody the little pillow that I'm packing in my lip and, you know, make sure they see my little, my little fruity nails.
I'm a little soft boy.
I'm a little soft boy.
Disarmed, you know.
Thank you for, thank you both for being allies.
Thank you.
Yeah, so I guess, you know, start of the show, we have to address some incredible breaking news, by which, of course, I mean the fact that YouTube took down our death chat from yesterday.
Oh, you suck.
It was exactly what I said.
It was the Eagles.
It was playing the fucking Don Henley.
You had to play the Eagles.
You had to do it.
You had to do it.
And you got you got us a strike.
This is okay.
So Sean, you weren't there for the death chat, the live stream we did yesterday, but the Eagles came up and you know, Tony was like, well, I don't like the Eagles.
I'm, I'm one of those very few individuals who just fricking hates the Eagles.
And so I said, well sure, you can hate the Eagles.
The people in the Eagles suck.
Except for Joe Walsh.
He's the good one.
And the drummer was probably good too.
You know who I'm talking about.
People know who I mean.
But I was like, I like a couple of their songs.
Here, I'm gonna play a song That's so good, but will also reinforce the fact that the Eagles suck because the Eagles will DCMA whatever strike this episode, but it'll be worth it.
And it worked.
And it happened.
It worked.
Can I tell a short anecdote?
Yes.
Always.
I was on a road trip several years ago, Rax and I and my mother and my stepfather, and we're driving through the American Southwest.
We ran into a town known as Winslow, Arizona.
Whoa.
And it was a moment, you know?
And was anybody standing on the corner there when you drove in?
Now, there is, what's, Don Henley's the singer of the Eagles, right?
They're all singers.
They're all singer multi-instrumentalists.
There is a bronze statue about six feet tall.
I don't know how tall Don Henley is.
A six foot tall Don Henley statue.
Maybe they were gracious towards him.
Standing on that corner in Winslow, Arizona.
And there's a flatbed Ford.
That sits next to this was probably the most dog shit town I've ever seen in my life.
Rax and I stayed in the worst hotel in our lives for some fucking reason.
Winslow, Arizona, has a 9-11 memorial.
Like, sorry, guys, that ain't got nothing to do with you whatsoever.
That's how you know you're a real city.
If you don't have a 9-11 memorial, you're not a real city.
They should have melted down the steel they had from the World Trade Center and made the Don Henley statue out of that.
That would have been real Americana.
Yeah, actually putting a 9-11 memorial in your town is how you get Carrie Lake to visit.
I'm asking myself, where was Don Henley on 9-11?
Has anyone asked that question?
Uh, he's probably suing a high schooler for covering... covering Boys of Summer at their Battle of the Bands.
On YouTube, on ukulele.
That Centerfield song, though, is a fucking banger, man.
That shit, when I was... Oh, I don't know if I... You know that one?
No, I don't know if I know that one.
It was a baseball song, and if you were a baseball kid, it's like, look at me, I can be Centerfield!
The only baseball song I remember is the one that played during the Pizza Hut commercial on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles VHS.
Hell yeah.
It's the kid, like, loses the game.
Or maybe he wins the game.
The kid's a loser, but he wins the game.
And the song is like, a pop fly to right field.
It's my chance to win the game!
Deep cut, dude.
You better put that as, like, the outro music.
Oh yeah, Tony, you have to do that now, okay?
Yes, I'm done.
Um, yeah, no, okay, more breaking news though.
What's this?
I'm just, I'm just hearing this now.
The president is dead.
Oh no, the president's not dead.
He's not going to run.
Biden has surrendered the presidency to Kamala Harris, it seems like.
She will be taking the baton for us in 2024.
Is that right?
You're almost right.
He's not running.
He's not going to accept the nomination for president because of his advanced mummified state.
However, bizarrely, he's arguing that he can make it through to January.
So he's going to hand the baton over to Kamala, but he is like, I might be half dead.
I might be falling up and down stairs.
I might have my brain matter just pouring out of my left ear all day long, but I'm going to make it through to January.
So he's passed the baton.
He might not be dead, but he's dead to me.
You know, it really breaks my heart.
I hate a quitter.
You know, I thought, I thought we had a champion with us.
I thought, you know, we had someone who was tenacious.
I thought he was going to really give it the old one to give it the old college try.
And it's just, I'm not, I'm, I'm more disappointed than I am mad.
I'm really, I just really wanted to see that W.
Not enough Adderall in the world to get that guy across the finish line.
I mean, seeing the reaction from both of, I have to say, my male co-host here, both of you guys, reaffirms my belief that Biden, in stepping down in the face of immense just vitriol and just, you know, really nasty comments thrown at him from
People we may know, people we may find influential or whatever, but still stepping down graciously just reaffirms the idea that he is the first female president of the United States.
And that is how he should, of course, be remembered in my mind.
And so much for the tolerant left, right?
The funny thing is, like, the left had nothing to do with this whatsoever.
It was like an intramural dispute between, like, dead-enders, like Biden dead-enders, and people who were like, I don't know, we'll fucking throw it into Kamala's hands.
It can't be any worse than what we got right now.
Well, it was weird because it was like the antibodies that were activated against the left, like all the, you know, Democratic partisans, but like not just Democrat partisans, like specifically Biden.
Partisans had been activated against the left's criticism of Biden for the last Four years, longer than that, since the primary.
And so they got extremely confused when, like, Nancy Pelosi started calling for Biden to step down or when the entire donor base started calling for Joe Biden to step down, which is probably, you know, the actual causal factor here, right?
I mean, like.
In America, you like, as you know, we've talked about this on the show before, but you're not like as part of a political party.
You're not like actually part of a party.
You're just a guy who gets to use that name.
And there's no actual like mechanical way for the party to exert control over you, except like through other means, like through fucking with your money or fuck with your reputation or whatever.
You're a fucking puppet, bro.
The only thing mechanical is the mechanisms controlling your strings.
Mechanical Turk president.
Also, I wanted to say, like Heidi in the Minion Death Commandos Facebook group pointed out, next year, or this year rather, I might finally not have to write Kamala in for president.
Yeah, I'm so happy for you.
You get the big day.
Dash that little line.
Big day for you and the rest of the KHOT.
Yeah, I'm going to write in Hillary.
I just think it's her turn.
I think it's her turn.
You think she's like fuming?
Oh my God.
She's been walking in the woods for eight years over it, man.
Yeah.
They just, didn't they like just came out, come out and say that Biden should stay in the race?
Her and Bill, I think just said that.
And Bernie and AOC.
Yeah.
So I saw, I saw a 40 chest tweet about Bernie and AOC and the squad or whatever, standing with Biden.
And I, I, this is kind of, you know, we don't care that much about electoral politics on this show, but, um, I do think that if the left had been calling for Biden to come out, that would have been a great thing for all the Biden partisans to point to that would have generated the other immune response against the left from the rest of the party.
Yada, yada, yada.
I don't think you have to necessarily come out and support Biden, especially with, you know, his track record, his history, what he's currently doing.
But if Kamala is the nominee, will she appreciate the squad having stood by like the official, you know, does that make them more loyal to the Democrat base or whatever?
I'm just saying like maybe it's not as stupid of a move as other people were saying.
And with Kamala, too, in the way, like, I think the way she is, I think she's very much going to be like, I think that's going to be a thing.
I think that a call for Biden to keep running was actually a call in support for Kamala as well.
I think that's definitely how she's going to see it.
I'm not sure what Kamala's independent power base is within the Democratic Party.
I don't know if she has a machine.
It seems like Biden was able to coast off the prestige and the legacy of the Obamas, having been their vice president.
But I don't see Kamala Harris necessarily as like a backroom dealer, like smoky cigars in rooms.
No, that's using her machine to smash up the competition within the party, pulling together big coalitions of different interest groups and shit like that.
It's going to be weird to watch.
Well, she's not going to have to reference her, her record with the California prison system and how successful she was with filling all those beds.
I mean, really, that's like her only thing that she's done.
You know, she's going to have to call it out.
You know, she's, she's tough on crime, I guess.
I think she's not in the back room smoking cigars, you know, with, with the bosses because she's in the, in the storerooms smoking weed with the boys.
Smoking, smoking on that ganja.
That won't come out for a couple of years.
Are we ready for a weed-smoking president?
That's something we all need to ask ourselves.
I was saying, you know, if Biden really wanted to come back, I think he should have just done a speech and popped this in mid-speech.
That might have killed him, but if it didn't kill him, if he made a show of it, he would have been fine.
Well, I, you know, this whole, like, quadrennial spectacle just takes all these different leaps and turns and breaks and bounds and stuff.
It'll be interesting to see now who she chooses for her VP pick.
I think there is a possibility that she chooses Pete Buttigieg, which for the first time in American history means that two loser-ass Democrat shit libs with Marxist parents We'll be running the executive branch of this of this country, because as you know, both Deep Buttigieg and Kamala Harris's fathers were literal Marxist professors.
A lot of good it's done them.
I think Pete is too radical for the centrist Dems.
I think Kamala is too radical for them.
Statements Kamala has made about equality and fighting for justice are too radical For the donor base who I don't think want like that's one of the things that AOC I believe was saying on her live stream where she tried to explain her her reasoning and yeah if it's like if it goes to the floor of the DNC or if it goes to you know the traditional power brokers there's like
They don't like Kamala, they don't want Kamala as badly as they might want some more, I don't know, Blue Dog Democrat or something like that.
But I think Kamala, like, is kind of the obvious, like, would, the party I think would revolt if Kamala Weren't the nominee.
I think she probably has the most steam.
And so because in my in this under this theory, she'd be at the top of the ticket.
I think they would go with, again, a less like radical Marxist than Pete Buttigieg.
Like, also, I know she's, you know, I don't like that, but I really can't think of anybody else.
Like, I really can't.
I can't.
For the top of the TIF bird.
Yeah, I can't think of anybody else.
And it sucks that that's, like, the only way.
Just because of the state where we're at and the race and all this stuff.
It's just, it's...
It's brutal.
It kind of, it almost feels like, you know, when a hockey team has all like all their injured goalies and they have to pull up like the guy who drives the Zamponi.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he's the only guy.
He's the only guy.
People have been saying for years, and it's both parties, but especially the Democrats, this gerontocracy we have going on, like all these mummies like Biden and Schumer and Pelosi are just sticking around like into their 90s.
If they make it into their hundreds, they'll be there too.
Yeah, I think we'll talk about this because we're going to talk about Sean O'Brien at the RNC and Trump, who will most likely be our next president.
You know, there is like a deep legitimation crisis happening right now, and there is like a faltering party structure, let's call it, or at least a realignment happening.
It'll be interesting to see what forces will the Democratic Party be able to make something of the next five months or so, because I just I don't think Kamala's got what it takes.
I don't think you can just hack on like another random Democrat and help her out all that much, especially with the wind behind Trump's sails after the assassination.
I'm carefully disagreeing with you, Sean.
I think Trump is an incredibly weak candidate.
I think people fucking hate Trump almost as much as they hate Biden, if not more.
And I think if you run a normie Democrat, which Kamala Harris is the epitome of, You, once again, activate the never-Trump, the no-Trump vote that helped Biden win in 2020.
I'm in a bit of a bubble, I have to say, being in New York and in the building trades or whatever.
There is no vocal pro-Biden or pro-Democrat people on my job or in my day-to-day life.
It feels as though, and you might be right about this.
prognosticator on elections.
In fact, I try to ignore them as much as I can, but I just, it just feels, especially with the assassination attempt, vibes wise, that the wind is behind Trump's back.
He's got a rabid fan base and he's pulling in black workers and Spanish workers and all sorts of different people to his coalition.
We'll see how it shakes out.
I don't know.
But it is weird because part of his appeal was definitely that he wasn't Biden.
So that is the interesting part about it.
And I think is that kind of what you're hitting towards Alex?
Like that's the whole thing is that was for sure the appeal for a lot of people I was talking to is that at least he's not, not Biden.
But like you said, if you put somebody a little normal, a little like Normie, someone he doesn't have like, you know, her baggage is, is, you know, the California prison system.
Like her, she doesn't have like a, as vice president, I'm sure she did a bunch of stuff that we don't know about or whatever, but she doesn't have like a thing that people hate her for or like her for.
Well, so the right wing's always going to have their meme about whatever Democratic politician.
She's got like, you know, and forgive me for not having researched this.
I promise it's because I don't care.
It's not because... Dude, I just got the text from you like an hour ago.
I was at the record store.
That was the first time I heard of this.
If you don't have any profound thoughts on it, like, that's because all this just happened like an hour ago as I'm recording.
Yeah, no, I meant with regards to Kamala, there's a meme that she's a slut.
Like, that's the meme on the right wing is that she fucked her way into power in California politics.
Like, she had an affair with a superior boss in the state government.
That's the thing about her that they'll try to push.
That dog doesn't hunt, man.
I don't think that works.
Well, it sucks because they don't even have, they don't even have like, you know, they don't even have like a slut pundit because the Republicans got Amber Rose.
And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that's, that's what she says.
She does the slut walk.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that's, that's her, that's her brand.
Um, so they, we don't, they don't even have like a slut pundit to help, you know, make her seem more appealing.
It's too late for that.
Rachel Maddow, maybe.
Oh no, Tony's gone.
He'll be back.
No, but I knew, I did know, just to kind of finalize my thoughts on this, I did know that writing in Kamala Harris twice would eventually result in victory.
I did know that we would one day be here thanks to the efforts of myself and people like me who fill in that, you know, that write-in spot is always there and just people never use it.
You willed it into existence and now we can get all sorts of coconut tree memes over the next five months, which do not partake in those.
Like the Dark Brandon thing was funny for like a month or so.
Even I joked about it and I had buyer's remorse immediately.
Oh.
And it became like the Biden campaign was using it like edge lead or whatever.
They're doing the same thing with the coconut tree.
Don't fucking go down that route.
Don't fall out of the tree.
Don't do like the context of all the things that you are thing.
It's going to make you look terrible when our first cop president.
See, I'm flipped.
I didn't like Dark Brandon, but I do like Coconut Tree.
See, that resonates with me.
You're a Coconut Tree apologist.
I'm just going on vibes.
I'm not looking at policy.
I'm not looking at history.
I'm not looking at how many people she locked up.
I'm not looking at how many parents she threatened to lock up for having truant students.
I'm just going off of what she says and how she says it, and I just think it's really funny.
First wine mom president, right?
First Caribbean president, first South Asian president too, right?
Isn't she part- I believe so.
Part Indian?
Yes, I believe so.
Do you want to see some responses to Biden's dropping out?
Sure.
I haven't had a chance to peruse, so please hit me.
Yeah, they're pretty good.
Again, Tony will be back hopefully shortly.
Yeah, so these are just three in a row that I saw on Twitter replying to Joe Biden's announcement that he was dropping out.
Jared says, thank you for all that you did for us, Mr. President.
It is a disgrace that rich donors, political elites, and podcasters worked harder to push you out than they did to defeat Donald Trump.
That's not true.
I worked very hard to push Donald Trump out of the Republican primary.
I tried everything I could do except for voting or registering other voters.
But I tried tremendous power at your fingertips as a podcaster.
I mean, you have to tread lightly.
I retweeted every Vic burger and edit I could find.
Um, I, I pointed out what the Trump still has small hands folks.
Okay.
The hands don't get bigger just because he's, he's older now.
Has he gotten any less orange over the last four years?
No.
Nope.
Nope.
Sorry.
The Democratic Party did nothing but create more trouble and hurdles for themselves.
Jared Ryan Sears.
This dude is a dead ender in the same way that Will Stancil was a dead ender.
There was this incredible disconnect between what all of us, dare I say, normal people were seeing every time Trump got in front of the camera or got on stage somewhere, which is a man who, as all of us someday will be, he's in a state of decline, let's call it, an advanced state of decline.
And then you had the Jared Ryan Sears and the Will Stancils of the world telling us, Do not listen, do not see with your lying eyes.
Instead, listen to us.
This is a man in full control of his faculties.
In fact, he's never been better.
And it was very, very surreal to watch, man.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just, yeah, an incredible farce.
And also, it's just like the only person making Trump look good is Biden.
Biden is probably the biggest causal factor in why Trump looks more competent now, is because yeah, he's going against that.
Did you watch his really bizarre RNC speech?
Trump's?
I saw clips from it.
Oh, if you saw clips from it, you might not have seen him kiss the murdered, the assassinated firefighter chief, retired firefighters chief's helmet.
I did saw that.
That was a real Trump moment.
Yeah, he kissed it like it was an American flag.
Um, I, and I love the, he did it so perfectly.
He, he telegraphed it so well.
He pursed his lips before he even got close to the, to the helmet.
He like pursed his lips and then like bent down and went Mwah!
He did the mwah thing, it was so good!
On a dead fireman, an assassin in a fireman's helmet, he went mwah!
Like that.
What a fucking, what a performer.
I wish they would have brought the angel flag into the RNC so that Trump could also kiss that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you see the angel flag, Tony?
Is that what they're calling it?
The flag that looked like an angel?
Yeah, that's what they're calling it.
I'm calling it that too, because I look at that flag and I think angel like immediately right off the bat.
I mean, it had to be an angel.
It's the only reason why he why he's alive.
That angel flag protected him.
Yeah.
I love how like I love how the mentality of the average American Republican MAGA voter is like a benighted peasant of the 13th century.
It's like the angel flag came down and it saved our beautiful boy from dying.
Yeah, placed a bullet right in the head of that fucking fire chief.
That's where God wanted the bullet.
That's where God wanted it!
And I say that's, honestly, like, who am I to judge?
God probably saw that guy posting about how Gazans deserve to die and be bombed and, you know, made judgment, passed judgment against that guy.
Listen, Jesus was from Palestine, right?
Homeboy probably didn't appreciate all that stuff.
Yeah, not cool, not cool, buddy.
Kamala Harris actually talked to God and God agreed to divert the bullet because that firefighter guy called the Biden spokeswoman the DEI spokeswoman.
Yeah.
She's talking to God.
I want some of that sticky icky she's smoking on, man.
I want some of that Kamala pack.
David, leave it.
He's got a bunch of, like, video game emojis in his handle.
Says, I don't agree with your decision.
Definitive, decisive, authoritative, and clear.
And then Art Candy says, HORRIBLE!
Decision!
Exclamation point.
I love this so much.
Now, like, I hope Biden sees all these.
I hope Biden sees like, because he's definitely going to get like a wave of goodwill, right?
For, for surrendering.
Oh, for sure.
For laying down, you know, in the face of fascism.
Bowing out gracefully.
Bowing out gracefully, turning it over to the competent hands or whatever.
I hope he sees all these people who are like, no sir, no!
And he's like, fuck, did I do the wrong thing?
You know what sucks?
You know what sucks?
I just thought about we're not going to get like a Lyndon Johnson moment, right?
Where there's like a big speech in the Oval Office.
It's down and he like says, dear America, my fellow citizens, I'm not going to run.
I won't accept the nomination.
He just tweeted that shit out and put out a press release on a fucking Sunday afternoon.
Yeah, we got ripped off.
He said he will go into more details later, but I don't know if he's going to do that one live either.
It's a shame because he's kind of the posting king now.
He's probably the better poster than Trump right now.
That I'm sick post was incredible.
Yeah, that was well done.
This one, just taking it straight to Twitter, so good.
One of the worst posts I've ever seen.
Historically bad.
Historically bad.
I mean, very bad for a politician to do that, but very bad for like anybody who's trying to sound serious or sound like, uh, you know, fulfill a leadership role or something to just do it, to get, to be an 85 year old man and get COVID and then tweet out, I'm sick.
I was like, what?
This is, this has gotta be fake.
This has gotta, this has gotta be fucking a joker.
And it was, it was a joke because yeah.
And the follow-up tweet Sick of lot greedy billionaires.
It's like nobody sees the second tweet, man.
That's not what everybody's going to be seeing.
Incredible commitment to posting man.
A poster's posted.
Was that second post like a fumble to like retrieve it?
Was that second post for that or was it immediately after?
It didn't feel like they're like, oh, fuck.
Oh, fuck.
How are we going to do this?
We got to we got to fix this.
No, because it was it was so it was so bad.
The second post was after the defibrillator started working.
You're like, Blair!
And he got back and he wrote the second part.
No, they, Biden does not have access to his phone at all.
There was no way the first, like there's been an accidental Biden tweet.
It was all planned.
I don't think you can, I don't think you can tweet from a jitterbug.
Exactly.
I don't think you can tweet from a typewriter.
Um, so it's pretty funny.
So like the right wing base is like, you know, laughing at Joe Biden for, uh, getting nuked, I guess, you know, they, they, they, they can interpret it however they want, but they are choosing to interpret it as like, yeah, Donald Trump owned Joe Biden so hard he got out of the race whatever kind of true that is kind of why people are trying people trying to get Joe Biden out of the races because Trump was going to possibly stomp all over him
so there so you get like I guess just the more Trump partisan or the like less serious more you know cult of personality fandom type people are celebrating a But then you get the guys who, I don't know, fancy themselves as more serious political commentators.
They have to pretend to be really mad about this.
They are mad about this, but they have to pretend to be righteously angry about this.
Indignant.
They know that Joe Biden was a weak candidate that they did want Donald Trump to face in November.
And so now they have to pretend like they're outraged that the Democrats are probably going to put on a better polling candidate.
And so we get people like Colin Rugg here on Twitter.
Colin Rugg.
Who says, wow, the Democrats were successful with their coup.
I never want to hear about, quote, democracy from these clowns again.
And then Glenda replies similarly, democracy comma, where they pick the candidate for you, thumbs up.
And it's, it's just so funny after being on the left for like four or five years, you know, that's exactly how long I've been, I've only been a leftist for four or five years.
No, but for the last four or five years talking about the way Joe Biden was kind of ushered into the nomination process.
Yeah.
And then in his reelection, you know, the, the supposed primary, That quote happened that, you know, was was closed.
There was nobody running against him.
A ton of people voted for the undeclared.
You know, to act like only now.
Are we are we subverting the will of the voters is very funny to anybody who's been paying attention.
It's really cool ass covering, too, because if Kamala loses, these people can be like, I told you so.
You should have stuck with the.
The old man.
And when she loses, I'll say, don't blame me, I wrote in Hillary.
And it's funny, too, to use, like, the word, like, a coup, because, I mean, a coup that is done by the Americans results in successful assassinations.
So, like, you can't... Well, not lately.
It's just the wrong word.
Not lately.
Been kind of off our game.
You know, and this is also...
You know, they are like desperately restraining themselves from quoting Joe Biden's resignation and saying, insurrection!
Because, you know, they, of course, want to be able to level the same grievances against the left that the left or the liberals have against, you know, like January 6 rioters and stuff like that.
The best outcome for this, I think, at least for like for fun and memes and world historical shit would be for Kamala to like lose by just a little bit.
Like Trump squeaks out a victory and the Democrats do a January 6th.
Please.
That would be so lit.
Same reason I wanted them to go to an open convention.
I'm just, I'm pro chaos, man.
Just fucking bring it.
Chaos is a ladder.
Let's go.
A 40-year-old woman in a giant, in a costume that just looks like a giant vulva, stealing mail off of Mike Johnson's desk, ripping it in front of 500 cell phone cameras.
Just dropping some soft serve, pulling her pants down and dropping some soft serve on the desk of Josh Hawley.
This is, this is what America needs right now.
Equal opportunity to act like the Capitol building.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like I've never thought that there was much democracy in the especially the primary process of, you know, these closed political primaries.
Pretty funny to be like.
Because if you look at polling, over half of Democratic voters wanted Joe Biden to drop out.
This is actual democracy.
The reason I'm so engaged in this is because it is one of the first instances I've seen of, in my lifetime, of the Democratic base, whether that's the donors, I think they could accurately be described as the Democratic base to a certain degree, and also the voters, and also the politically engaged individuals, other low-level politicians,
state senators, house reps, successfully state senators, house reps, successfully got the fucking president of the United States to drop off the ticket.
Like, that is a show of force that I haven't seen come via electoral politics.
You almost forget that it can happen because, frankly, these people have to have a degree of shame.
There's not a lot of pressure you can exert on these wealthy, you know, insulated figures.
And it took the combined efforts of the donors and the actual voters put together To have this happen, but it's still pretty impressive, I would say.
Yeah, absolutely.
People complain about the lack of democracy here, but like, you know, it's only this the modern primary system is only like 40 or 50 years old, right?
It's like from the 70s.
Before that, it all took place in smoky rooms somewhere with like, you know, Democratic Party bosses and ward healers and whatever.
But like, I don't know, as much as you're right about in this instance, it still feels like it's run that way.
There's just sort of like the illusion that people have choices.
It's like the Joe Biden thing, not letting, having him run unopposed in the primary.
It was like some 1920s, 1930s shit.
But like with the imprimatur that like 14 million people got to like put their vote towards Joe Biden.
I don't know.
The party, it seems like it's a black box mostly.
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't expect much to come out of the party process.
I think this is not part of the party process.
The public, to varying degrees of power, was able to break the otherwise fairly unconcerned Big D Democratic Party process.
Yeah, it's just that those smoky rooms couldn't ignore the public outcry, really.
And like, that's so rare.
And like, to see it actually happen is, you know, kind of refreshing.
Yeah, but I think they made the same calculation that the public was making.
I don't think they were even necessarily responding to the will of the voters either.
I mean, well, I guess in terms of looking at the polls and being like, oh shit, are guys losing?
They were responding to the quote, will of the voters or whatever in that.
If you really believed in democracy, you'd be calling for an open convention.
They didn't want Trump as president, and so they helped to push that guy out. - If you really believed in democracy, we'd be calling for an open convention.
In 1924, the Democratic convention, I think it went on for like 30 something days and had like 106 ballots, and it was all the delegates on the floor just like fighting it out, trying to find some consensus candidate that they couldn't find.
You could see the different coalitions and different groups.
You could see the horse trading.
You could see like different longstanding coalitions buckle under the pressure.
And like, did that produce the best candidates?
Like Al Smith and shit?
Probably not.
But if you believe in democracy, that's probably the way this thing should have been.
And like now we can do it with like a Twitch partnership and live stream.
Yes.
Yeah.
You can have so good.
It could be emceed by that girl who's like ice cream.
So good.
Yum.
Yum.
Ice cream.
Yum.
Yum.
Uh, I mean, it's great communicator.
You, you remembered her stuff.
Speech fucking verbatim.
Last thing I wanted to say, if we're feeling we need a little more schadenfreude, we have a quote here from Senator John Fetterman, courtesy of Dave Weigel.
Senator John Fetterman, quote, people pushed out an honorable man, loving father, and a great president before an absolute sleazeball like Menendez.
Congratulations.
End quote.
Wow.
It's so good to be To be a Democrat and to be like a, like, you know how there's wife guys to be like a Democrat guy.
Like I'm the guy who big ups my Democrats and like yada, yada, yada, which.
Party guy.
I don't know if John Fetterman's maybe, maybe he's not a party guy.
Maybe he is more of a like whatever Joe Manchin type.
Well, he's obviously a sympathetic voice here since he too has brain damage.
Exactly.
He can feel for Biden's pain.
This is his future.
He sees the tea leaves.
This wasn't about whether he was an honorable man, loving father, and a great president.
It was about whether the man's brain functioned necessary to allow him to be the most powerful person in the world anymore.
Yeah, it's very funny to have these Democrat brand managers crying and coping like this.
You need to be able to flip a switch and be like, hell yeah, let's move forward.
I'll relish in their sad posts.
That's my point.
Sad posts like this and the little bit that we can peek behind the curtain in this little instance, that all would have come out if you had an open convention.
It all would have come out.
It would have been in the open.
You could see these people for what they really are, which are disgusting fucking swine.
I don't know, maybe we'll still get it.
Well, you know, future congratulations to a future president, Kamala Harris.
Just want to say that right now.
No, no regrets in saying that.
And yeah, good, good job, Joe Biden.
Sleepy Joe finally put to bed, finally, finally going to bed.
Good night, sir.
Oh man, did TK Dub say that?
He's going to bed.
He said it inside my head.
He literally said it inside my head.
He used his voice.
We can now play a really fun game, which is to see how, if he lives, how far he deteriorates outside of the presidency.
To see what we might have had, had he managed to, like, remain the nominee.
This is a death sentence for Joe Biden.
I hope you're all happy.
Asking a man whose life has been service to this country, asking him to retire, we all know the statistics.
He's a dead man walking.
Well, I don't know.
They always say, you know, the presidency like kills you, you know, it ages you so much.
He might, we might've cut a few years off him, but he, we might not be able to see what he really, you know, it might've been two more years, but now we might get like six.
Imagine, imagine if he.
He's allowed to run again in four years.
It's true.
Yeah.
He's allowed to run again.
Maybe we should.
I'm holding out Biden 2028.
Maybe we should give him four more years to see, like, how old he can get.
What about a Biden-Carter ticket?
Or a Biden-Chomsky ticket or something?
Biden-Feinstein is, of course, who it would be.
We can start the young boy blood infusions now, and he might be able to get back to where he was two years ago by the time he runs then.
Yeah.
De-age him a little bit.
I'm a concrete slug.
I'm a man of nothing.
I'm a concrete slug.
I'm a concrete slug. I'm a concrete slug. I'm a concrete slug.
I was in the field.
Better get my heart on me.
I was practicing.
Balancing faith in me.
On a writer's car.
Live above and build.
And when I calm down.
I'll be a dance person.
I'm a concrete slug.
I'm a man of nothing.
I'm a concrete slug.
Okay.
Moving on.
Um, kind of one of the reasons we invited you on the show, Sean, is to, uh, we got, we got the third Sean on the show to talk.
Sorry, bro.
You're no, it's all right.
I mean, that's quite a company to be keeping.
I'll be the third Sean, Sean Fain, Sean O'Brien and Sean.
And Sean KB.
We got the third Sean on to talk about, well, this is a Teamster show, so to talk about the first Sean.
Sean O'Brien visiting the RNC.
Being the keynote speaker, not just visiting, but being the keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention.
I know I personally have a lot to say about this.
I don't know where to start.
We briefly mentioned this a few weeks ago when it was announced that he would be speaking.
He supposedly asked to speak at both conventions, both the DNC and the RNC, and the RNC practically wet themselves in accepting his invitation and then reframing it as Trump invited Sean O'Brien to speak and Sean O'Brien accepted the invitation, which is something that Sean O'Brien repeated in the speech, just kept saying, Trump invited me, Trump invited me.
Yeah.
I think, so my biggest problem with this, and we can get into all the nooks and crannies of this, you know, okay, if you don't know, I'm an 18-year Teamster.
Sean, do you want to say your union affiliation?
Yeah, I'm in the District Council of Carpenters, New York City.
I would like to say right off the bat, and this is a huge pet peeve of mine, that when we're trying to get our heads around this, what it means politically, what it means for organized labor, what it means for like some crazy red-brown alliance, as people are freaking out about online.
The people to talk to first about this are Teamsters.
Like one of my huge pet peeves is when people who are maybe college students, they're in some sectarian leftist organization, they're in the DSA or whatever, want to be the first ones out the gate with their strong political opinions.
Your opinions are valid just like everybody else's.
But a Teamster should have the first go at that because the actual consequences within that workers organization, of course, fall first on the rank and file members.
So, Alexander, I'm giving you like full deference here.
Maybe I get second deference having been a Teamster myself briefly.
Did you know that?
No, I didn't.
Oh, I was on a big job and the teamster shop Stewart walked up to me one day.
He's smoking a big fat cigar and he says, Hey kid, you stand around here a lot, right?
I was like, yeah, you know, I get trucks in and out.
He's like, all right, do me a favor kid.
Whenever you see, you see a truck come in, you check his card.
You see if he's a teamster or not.
If he's not a teamster, here's my phone number.
You call me and we'll toss him off the job.
And so he would buy me coffee every day for keeping an eye on the job for him.
I'm not saying I was an actual Teamster, but as like a carpenter on the ground, I was helping to do Teamster shops.
You did our dirty work for us.
I did the dirty work.
Which we greatly appreciate.
Anytime, bro.
Yeah, so I think, like, Tony, wait, were you, did you ever make it past probation into the Teamsters?
Were you ever a Teamster?
No, no, never made it, never made it past probation to Teamsters.
No, but, you know, I just get my, my association is through you when you threaten my kneecaps when I don't get editing done in time.
Yeah, you know, Teamsters local 420.
That's who I'm here for.
We're riding for him still.
Ride or die.
I'm an ally.
I'm an ally.
A Teamster ally.
By the way, if you didn't catch the premium episode last week, I talk about how I got my job back thanks to the Teamsters.
I didn't say anything publicly before this, but I just, as of Tuesday last week, I was, and after two months of not being able to work or collect the check, I was given my job back after being fired for wearing a keffiyeh on my route.
So, go ahead and say it.
God bless the union.
This is why you get to speak first on that shit, because there's real consequences here.
It was pretty funny.
Everybody was so mad at Sean O'Brien and, like, by extension, the Teamsters.
And I was just like, yeah, yeah, I get it.
It looks bad, but I also just got my job back.
I also was just given my future back to me.
Thanks to this organization.
So I took extensive notes on his 17 minute speech and the thing that he ends ends the speech with.
This isn't quite a direct quote, but it's close, was really resonating with me because of what you had just gone through.
He basically says that the union gives me the freedom to speak my mind and to fight like hell on the job and off the job.
And what is what were like your free speech consequences if you hadn't had the Teamsters at your back as you would have got laid off for wearing a politically charged garment.
So like as much as everybody and I've People accuse me of being this guy, but I'm not.
Say, like, the unions are all trash.
They're all, you know, yellow organizations.
They're all completely deformed and they're useless.
No.
In this instance, in a boilerplate speech of SOB up there, he mentioned something that we can see here practically is true, which is that because of the union, you managed to get your job back for free speech.
It was a crazy story, one of the craziest times of my life, and we recounted it on the show last week for subscribers, so go to patreon.com slash MinionDeathCult sub at five bucks a month and you'll hear that episode instantly as well as hundreds of others.
And if you're listening to this on Antifada and you're not yet a patron of MinionDeathCult, do that now so you can check out that bonus content and a lot more.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, so I guess my first, like the first thing I'll say, the most annoying thing to me about Sean O'Brien speaking at the RNC was just the effusive praise he gave to Donald Trump and to Josh Hawley and to JD Vance.
Um, you know, I guess I'm, I'm kind of like burying the lead here or putting the cart before the horse because you'll see like, oh, this was a strategic decision, you know, to get a working class message in front of a Republican audience.
And he was actually playing through, you know, four D chess against them.
And it's like, okay, well I could, I can entertain that conversation if he weren't literally like raising a fist and cheering on Donald Trump.
And talking about what a great asset Josh Hawley is to workers and how J.D.
Vance is just a blue-collar guy from fucking Ohio or whatever.
That stuff is completely noxious to me and insofar as any sort of working class statement or any sort of class consciousness, a reference to that, Is going to work on an audience.
I think also like basically applauding Trump and applauding JD Vance and applauding Josh Hawley is also going to have an effect on the audience.
And to the degree that like my step, my stepdad, who's a lifelong Teamster called me and was like, told me that the news is saying that Sean O'Brien endorsed Trump.
Which he did not do.
Which he didn't do.
But, honestly, might as well have for the effect because this is what the talk is going to be, especially among Republican teamsters.
That's another one of the points we can get to.
They're going to seize on this opportunity and be like, well, he spoke highly of Trump and he spoke highly of these Republican politicians and see, you know, these Republicans, they are on the side of unions and yada, yada, yada.
Like, if that's the message that's getting through the hoi polloi or the rank and file or just the general public, that's a bad message.
That's not a good message.
Because no, of course these Republicans are not on our side.
The idea that you could Flatter Trump into not being a boss.
The idea that you could flatter Josh Hawley and any one of these millionaires, who are our enemies, into, like, does he think he's going to keep his enemies, you know, keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer?
Like, I'm going to trick Josh Hawley into doing, like, card check or something.
Like, I don't think that's ever going to happen.
I think He, you know, and I want to speak respectfully because again, this is an organization that I've been proud of and I don't want to do ad hominem or personal attacks on the president of this organization.
So I'll only say what it looks like to me.
It looks like He got excited to be the first Teamster to speak at the RNC.
That's kind of like one of my major takeaways, and it's like, I don't give a shit that you were the first Teamster to speak at the RNC.
That doesn't fucking matter to me.
You don't feel represented, Alexander?
That doesn't help me.
Well, that's kind of how it felt to me, too.
It was like it was like he was excited to be there.
And it almost felt like there was a bit of like a show kind of like, hey, Democrats, I could have done the same show for you, but you guys didn't.
You guys didn't invite me.
They did.
They're the ones that invited me.
So they're the ones I'm going to like go hard for as like my host, I guess.
But that's kind of how it felt to me.
It kind of felt like these guys were down.
These guys were, these guys had me out.
And that's kind of all he cared about.
But yeah, it did kind of feel like that whole, like, I'm the first one to do it.
They had me here.
And I really do think he would have done the same like dog and pony show if the Democrats had him come in.
Yeah, I think that's right.
I mean, here's a technical question for you, Alexander.
Do you have, is there any input whatsoever among the rank and file for endorsement?
I know there aren't for us or for IEBW which came right out of the gate for Biden like six months ago or whatever.
Do you have any say in that?
Do they take any even informal polls of the membership?
I think they're talking about it.
I'm trying to remember.
I did see a poll and I think it might have been like through the Teamsters app.
But that was last year because I haven't used that fucking app in a year.
Um, I'm trying to remember if they, they do the like elect where, where was it?
You know, I, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I can't answer that question.
Um, I, I have never, I get the sense they don't though.
Yeah.
I, I don't believe I've ever participated in a, in a poll too, but I, again, like I don't, forgive me.
I don't think it's as important who is president as, Like what we're doing among members to stay militant and organized and enforce the contract and spread the good word of union organizing, which is again.
One of my thoughts about this is I can't really get that upset about it for a couple reasons.
One, I don't think it matters that much.
I think there are a shit ton of Republican Teamsters, unfortunately.
There's a shit ton of just, you know, Republican Union members in general.
Oh yeah.
And this is going to like, Give them some clout for an internet argument or whatever, but I don't know if it's going to actually persuade anybody, you know, because if you're a union member who pays attention to this shit, you're probably already in one of those two camps.
You know, maybe if you're a super young guy or gal and you're coming up and you don't know what's what really, this might help.
Are the younger generation going to be more pro-Republican?
I don't know about that.
I mean, I feel like we've already reached, like, the total saturation of pro-Republican shit among union members because, like, my grandpa is, like, the generation of union members who were, like, diehard Democrats no matter what.
Yeah, mine too, yeah.
And you don't see that, you don't really see that in, like, the generation, you know, before us at all.
So I don't think it's going to matter much.
I do like some of what he said at the, during the speech.
And then my major, the last thing I'll say just generally about it is that, you know, as a elected official in a democratic organization, he's got to represent the membership.
And unfortunately, like I said, there's a ton of Republican members of the Teamsters.
So just, like, in pure, like, self-interest, he is not going to say, fuck the Republicans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, like, are you finished or do you have more to say?
I just, the last, about that, I'll just add one more thought.
If we had the kind of president who was willing to push membership into more radical directions, that would be fantastic.
And I think that would make a difference.
That would actually possibly make a difference.
And we saw some of that with the pre-strike organizing last year.
That was a more radical approach to it than we have had previously.
It's kind of clear that he's not willing to go farther than that, the way that, like, Sean Fane is, for example.
But he's not that guy regardless.
So, I think this is all kind of a moot point.
I think, I think these are, the reason he did it was for optics.
And I don't think it's going to necessarily make a material difference.
Yeah, go ahead.
I, people were online saying he's a fascist, and I was online saying, worse than that, he's a politician.
Right?
Like, when you get up to that tippy top, when you're in national politics, right, you have to make various cynical and opportunistic decisions.
And the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, at least since the 1930s, is known for making cynical and opportunistic moves.
A lot of the rhetoric was saying, like, oh, well, S.O.B.
showing up to this is the beginning of what we all feared, which is a red-brown alliance.
It's like white workers in organized labor combining with the fascists trying to take over the White House in order to, like, bring about, I don't know, a Fifth Reich or whatever the fuck.
Well, and I think that the reality is far more simple than that.
And for all the reasons that you talked about, Alexander, it's like a bald-faced political move in its optics.
Pause for one second.
Somebody's drilling right outside my window.
I was wondering what that was.
Sounded like music almost.
That's better.
It did almost sound like music.
And a lot of people who are freaking out about this political move, right, are people who, A, are not themselves part of the labor movement in any way, shape, or form.
To the extent that they understand unions, it's like a completely like a historical and idealistic conception of what they can be, but what they really are.
And also to at the same time, these are people who are By and large, like ideological, uh, in their understanding of these things.
So these people, again, want to turn that into something that it's not in my opinion, because if you look at the long history of American unionism, which we can talk about, do you look at the specifically the fucking history of the IBT?
Oh, since the 1970s, right?
They endorsed Reagan.
They endorsed George H.W.
Bush and they endorsed Richard Nixon.
That doesn't absolve.
Sean O'Brien of being what he is.
If we want to take a little temperature check here and maybe see how different things were 52 years ago, it wasn't the same thing that happened, but a similar thing was not, say, like George Meany, the AFL president, going to speak at the RNC.
They invited Richard Nixon in 1972 to come to the National Convention for the AFL-CIO.
But the power that even this deformed and degraded anti-communist Organized labor had in the United States to show the difference between then and now is he wasn't it wasn't about begging for scraps.
In fact, Nixon showed up and Meany made sure that when Nixon gave his speech, the band that had been on the stage was taken off the stage so they couldn't play hell to the chief that the executive board turned their backs and walked off.
When Nixon started speaking, and they told all the delegates in the crowd that whatever like positive lines Nixon does to boo him.
So he used it, Meany used it.
And this is like our arch reactionary trade unionist, right, from the Plumbers Union in New York City, a hawk.
old warrior, but the organized labor was such an independent power base within society that they were able to get away with snubbing Nixon.
Right?
So Bain going to like beg for some scraps and play politics at the RNC doesn't like show us that anything fundamentally has changed.
There is a realignment happening in American politics, but it's a red or brown alliance is not arriving.
And if it has arrived, it probably arrived in like 1972 or 1980 or whatever.
You can't have a complete hysterical freak out about the rise of American fashion, fascism, and the American working class turning towards MAGA.
Naziism or whatever, when we see the IBT has done stuff like this for at least 50 years, and they were opportunists and cynics and corrupted way before that.
Yeah.
The nature of the beast.
Absolutely.
A few things there is like another thing that kind of informs my reaction to this is just, you know, the idea that Sean O'Brien Likes this one guy or likes this political party and therefore political stuff is gonna happen around that.
I don't know.
As the Teamsters, your power as a union, as organized labor, your power is in, I guess, what money you donate to a certain degree.
But it's in your labor power.
It's in the pressure points you can exert because how many people are organized, in which industries, et cetera, et cetera.
And just because you get Democrats in office doesn't mean they're going to do anything.
You still have to have the actual mobilization, the actual radical labor politics to get anything done.
So arguing it this early of a stage as to who likes which party more and what that means for the future is a moot point.
We have to actually have an apparatus that can exert pressure Before any of the other stuff even becomes relevant.
Thank you.
If Farrell Dobbs had run, had not passed the torch on to Hoffa and the Teamsters had remained with a Trotskyite core.
through the 1930s and 1940s, if they hadn't submitted to Stalin's Popular Front and aligned with the Democratic Party, right?
We could be talking about an American labor movement that is militant, that indeed, socialist, right?
But we don't have that.
So what we have instead is I don't agree with it, but probably a savvy move to try to like cultivate and peel off whatever stupid ass Republican ghouls like Hawley and J.D.
Vance and sometimes Trump are saying that for purely political reasons, they're going to throw some fucking bones at you.
It's almost like within this corrupted, terrible U.S.
labor regime system that we have, it's the right move.
It's actually pretty savvy to be like, oh, we can get two, three, four, maybe five or six or seven senators in the Republican Party Maybe down the line, they can help vote in some legislation that's going to help our bottom line as teamsters.
Yeah, sure.
One thing that sucks about this whole thing, about the whole party aspect of, you know, labor supporting any type of party, is that the whole For someone like me, who's like, you know, a working class individual who, I'm not in a union, but the whole appeal of that kind of thing is that you, they have an opportunity to say, I don't care about a party.
I like this guy, this guy, this lady, this person, because they support, they make our lives better through supporting laws that support workers.
And so to that's that's the opportunity.
That's what you should be doing as like, you know, as a as a union leader is supporting those politicians who support you regardless of party.
And that's really appealing to a lot of Americans.
A lot of Americans will be able to say, well, like, yeah, well, they don't care about party.
They just care about us and they care about their thing.
And they're there.
They're beyond party.
That's supposed to be the appeal of this.
But we know, of course, you know, when it comes down to it, Republicans don't support labor.
Yeah.
in actual practical matters.
So we know that part.
Yeah, exactly.
So, so we know that part, but they could be doing that dancing and that would get not just appealing to not just appealing to the Republicans, but to everybody.
Cause he could have gone there and he could have been like, Hey, so-and-so is doing great.
You know, thank you for that and been genuine and been good and been real and done the same thing at the DNC.
But this is the way he, the way he, like I said, just was capping for everybody was pretty disappointing, bro.
No, the fucking, the way I judge these things, like, or the first way I see them is what my gang, like the people I'm with, like the, the people I work with, how they feel about it.
And, And the people in my, in the shanty when we were talking about the speech the next day and everybody had an opinion, most of them were Republicans, even the two Spanish guys on the job, right, was that they liked the message of Class independence, independence from either of the two parties, as you just said.
They like the stuff on corporate greed, right?
And so to the extent that that O'Brien like passed a message down, it was to already Republican positive people saying like, oh, actually, yeah, maybe the organized labor could be independent from the two political parties.
And that, to me, is a positive.
That's what we need.
Yeah, we need a socialist labor movement, first of all.
But then we also need class independence.
Yeah, I do feel like the most charitable thing I could say about his speech would be what you're saying, Sean.
It is, in the most charitable sense, not a one-to-one comparison, of course, it's like Bernie going on Fox News or Bernie going on Joe Rogan.
Never gonna be mad at trying to actually take a class-conscious message or an actual populist message that's not built on hating somebody else to the masses, wherever they are.
I don't think you do that by flattering the people in power.
And again, I'm just maybe hanging on that a little too much.
But the way, I don't know, it seems like a fundamental He's doing this in a way where it does not engender confidence.
I'm glad that some people got an accidental working class message out of that.
The way you get Republicans on your side is to not, is not like, I'd be, I would totally be fine with this if we were bullying Republicans into doing what we wanted.
Yes.
Like 1972.
Instead, instead of like maybe helping them get elected in the first place, like that, that is just, it's, it's pretty absurd to me.
Um, but then the, just to what you're talking about, like the red Brown Alliance, the fascism, yada, yada, yada.
Like I'll entertain that idea to a certain degree because we live in fucking America and you know the Hitler particles are off the chain in this country and there's so there's so many reactionaries already in the union like it would be yeah sure you're argue if you are go up you'll argue with an American on the street Is that person going to have some really fucked up beliefs that they've been inundated their whole life?
Yeah, probably.
They're not going to think twice about it.
They're not even going to think it's a fucked up belief because it's just part of the background here.
But I get that criticism.
However, these are like my coworkers.
These are the people I work with, right?
I'm not going to get anywhere by going up to somebody.
You're a fascist because you voted for this guy or whatever.
We're in a fucking America.
You got to vote for the Democrat or the Republican.
Like, I don't like the Democrats either.
Am I going to shame somebody for voting Democrat?
No.
I'm going to... I mean, not in that scenario.
I'm good amongst personal friends.
Just amongst friends.
Not amongst coworkers.
I'm going to try and influence my co-workers and my fellow union members for the better.
That is what I'm going to try to do.
That doesn't mean that I'm going to tolerate transphobia, homophobia, racism, all of that shit.
That absolutely does not mean, because I have stepped up, I have pushed back when I've encountered that kind of shit in real life.
Me too.
You have to be if you want to build a mass movement that, you know, these like Internet theorists are talking about, you literally have to build bridges with people.
You as corny as it sounds, you have to meet people where they are.
And that is not, again, not tolerating any of that bad shit that I'm talking about.
It just means not writing people off because they voted wrong.
It means not writing people off because they watch the wrong television channel.
Like you have to actually be able to talk and sure, if you're like a purist, a socialist purist or whatever online, you don't have to do that online.
I'm not telling you to do that.
You'd probably be pretty bad at it.
I'm just telling you, maybe chill out and stop calling Sean a Nazi or whatever you're fucking doing online that is utterly insane.
Yo, here, fucking here, it's all that stuff.
And like you said, you know, meet people where they are.
And where you are usually is work.
And that is the thing that you know that you and your coworker can bond over that.
You and your coworker are dealing with the same boss.
You guys are dealing with the same things that are, you know, your same trials and tribulations when it comes to your income and what your value is.
is the same.
So that's where you can meet together.
You know, like that's, that's the one place where like, you know, you're not going to have some sort of like trauma off because it doesn't matter.
Your paycheck's your paycheck.
The most dangerous thing about Trump is his stance towards migrant worker.
Number one headline.
Like If there's any argument that Trump is like a fascist that comes from the mass deportation shit, that's number one.
The second one, of course, is all of the ways that he's going to use this to crack down on sexual minorities and others, right?
But also, too, the huge danger is that he re-legitimizes the system for all sorts of working class people who think that capitalist politics can be different.
They could be different under Trump.
Now we saw in his four years that that wasn't true.
And presuming he's elected again, people are going to see that that's not true either.
But as you eloquently said, Alexander, there's these two options out there.
And until we, as working class people, as socialists, communists, anarchists, whatever we are, can pose a third thing for people, a secret third thing, right?
Like a different pole of attraction for people.
Then people are going to vote one of those two options.
And as you said, we can't shame them.
One of the most annoying things about this too, I will say, like the second worst part about Sean O'Brien speaking at the RNC is I had to see like four or five subversive journalists do the soy face and be like, oh, like, like Glenn Greenwald going, oh my God, this is a watershed moment.
A Teamsters president went up there and said, corporate corporations are greedy.
Wow.
I don't know labor history either, bro.
His his speech, you know, again, I listened to the whole thing and took notes like boilerplate, like.
Left late, like lefty progressive labor shit, along with like like some very reactionary middle class bullshit and nationalism, of course, to write, because as much as the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, that doesn't include like workers in Mexico or workers in China, Guatemala or China or elsewhere.
Right.
These are the real, true limitations of a labor movement, quote unquote, that has been dying for like 50, 60 years at this point in time.
And all those questions are separate from Red Brown Alliance.
They're separate from the optics question.
They're separate from whatever.
Like we have much bigger tasks right now.
We within our allies outside, much greater tasks that if there's any way of solving those, it's going to come out of things like the incredible solidarity and militancy that the UPS Teamsters showed just last year in their epic strike victory and win.
Or the many decades long reform movement within the Teamsters, which has serious limitations, but which was the blood, sweat and tears of like thousands upon thousands of workers trying to make their deformed workers organization be something better than it had been under Hoffa and the corruption and all that shit.
Like these are the venues.
These are the places where real change can happen.
Not at the RNC and sure as fuck not at the Deans.
Yeah, sure, TDU, that's cool.
New contract that raised wages for part-time workers by like $10.
Oh yeah, sure, that's cool.
Sean O'Brien speaking at the RNC, that's freaking epic, says Anna Kasparian or whoever, you know?
It's just, it's so, it's like, this should tell you that it's not that big of a deal.
It's like 350,000 UPS workers win an epic labor struggle, I sleep.
Like how like how these guys like I had I'm not going to read all the tweets, but like Lee Fang and Anna Kasparian and everybody like trying to convince you that this is a big deal should like show you that it's not because these people are just like invested in the media narrative of the red brown alliance that the other people are afraid of.
Right.
These like whatever post left commentators or these people who are imagining a MAGA communist future.
That's that is what they are.
They're just huge Internet losers imagining stuff.
And again, like we started off this segment by saying like you can cheer on the Teamsters.
We really appreciate it.
You can disagree with the decisions of the President.
A lot of Teamsters do disagree with the decisions of the President as well.
Trick yourself into thinking that you can do anything about it, I guess is what I'm saying.
Like, you could choose to boycott Teamsters businesses if you wanted to, like, own Sean O'Brien or whatever.
I wouldn't like that, to be sure.
But just, you know, to see, like, Jorts the cat be like, we have to remember, we still need to support the teamsters, even though Sean O'Brien, it's like, yeah, of course.
But also like, what do you mean by support?
I don't know.
You got no skin in the fucking game, man.
Alexander's got skin in the game.
I have less skin in the game.
Cause it's not, I don't, I don't get a vote on what, on Sean O'Brien for president of the IBT.
Maybe, uh, Tony, you got a little even less skin in the game, but people need to recognize that these are real organizations with real like self-interest and also that represent very poorly, I would say, but truly do represent the economic livelihoods.
And as we see with your situation, the free speech rights on the job of millions upon millions of workers.
So don't stand outside the tent pissing in.
If you want to have like a strong opinion on this, you know, maybe get inside the tent and piss outside of it.
Yeah.
The only thing you can do to support is either join the union or support politicians who are actively supporting the Teamsters.
That's the only thing you can do.
If not, yeah, then shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up!
Shut the fuck up!
And tip your construction workers.
Always tip your UPS driver.
Trump's gonna take away taxes on tips, so that means that in the heavy and highway construction field, I'm gonna be holding my hand out on the highway waiting for my 20s.
Gonna need a second helmet.
That's right.
Oh my God.
Did you see the fucking jerk?
I know we're trying to wrap up, but I saw the footage of that speech and they had the biggest pencil deck dweebs in the entire world with Trump mega hard hats on.
This is such cosplay dude.
Yeah.
Looking like me at 13 years old with a motorcycle helmet on.
Was that, was that, was that union support or was that like head protection because of the headshot?
They put a bandage on the side of the hard hat in solidarity.
If Trump was wearing a hard hat, he might not have lost his ear.
Someone had to have the bandage on the hard hat.
It had to happen.
Had to happen.
Alright, yeah, Sean O'Brien, don't go to the RNC anymore, okay?
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
It's not worth it.
Stinky.
Don't do it.
Very dumb.
But understandable.
Thank you, Sean.
Thank you, Sean KB from the Antifada for joining us today.
Tell people where they can listen to the Antifada.
Yeah, you can find our podcasts wherever podcasts are free.
RSS.com is where we do our feed from, Apple Podcasts, all that stuff.
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The last thing I'll say is That secret third thing, which I guess is socialism or communism or like a reinvigorated independent autonomous workers movement.
We're working on that.
We have something called the Independent Labor Club of North America.
I'd like to talk to Alexander about it because we'd love to open up a Seattle chapter.
Thus far, we've got a New York chapter, an Arizona chapter, A bunch of other chapters that we just don't have the bandwidth to deal with right now.
But if you're in Chicago or Seattle, one of these big main towns, we'd like to hear from you.
Find more info on that on the podcast.
Very, very interesting.
I will also highly recommend History is a Weapon.
Uh, on the Patreon feed.
On the Antifata Patreon feed.
Check that out.
You and Matt Chrisman going through history.
It's very great.
We're gonna come back, man.
Matt is in recovery, and he's feeling better day by day.
And someday soon, we'll be returning with history as a weapon.
Hopefully, out on the West Coast, I'll get to see Tony, hang out, I'll record with Matt, throw down again.
We have not yet begun to fight.
Good shit.
I can't fucking wait for that.
Can't fucking wait for that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Peace.
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