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Dec. 10, 2019 - Minion Death Cult
01:28:16
L.A.R.P. (Libertarians Against Racial Prejudice)

This week we cover the shootings of a Miami UPS driver & innocent bystander by the police during a standoff, the company's reaction to this reckless display of aggression, and laughable pro-cop takes from the comment section Also, The Libertarian Party Facebook page posts a token statement of anti-racism, and their followers aren't too happy! Music: Radiohead - Creep but it's All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey

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The liberals are destroying California, and conservative humor gone awry... Conservative humor gone awry is going to fascistphonia today, so stay tuned.
We're going to take a few pictures of the desert and how their policies are actually messing it up.
It's not beautiful when you go across that border.
Stay tuned guys.
We'll show you exactly what it looks like when people are going to get you.
Oh, they're in Bartholstein.
Stay tuned.
I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Libertarians issuing a token statement against racism is responsible.
We're documenting it.
What's up everybody?
Hope everybody's doing well in the middle of holiday season.
I'm doing okay.
I've had two days to recover from the work week and looking forward to getting back into it tomorrow.
How about you, Tony?
Yeah, I'm okay.
I'm alright.
Lots of room for improvement.
I'm not suffering from leprosy or anything, so I'm thankful.
That's good.
Hey, there's always something to be thankful for.
Yeah, yeah.
I haven't cut off a toe accidentally any time recently, so there's that.
There's that, yeah.
Uh, up top, we got a- we- we were on a- we were guest on a podcast called Vaguebooking.
This is a brand new podcast from friend of the show Carter Moon.
He's got a new podcast called Vaguebooking, as in keep it vague.
Vaguebooking, um, where he sort of explores ...relationships in the digital social media arena and how everybody is just kind of losing their minds on social media and how people are managing that sort of thing.
So it's, you know...
Pretty similar to this show with a different style, a different tone, I would want to say.
We were guests on the show and we were able to discuss more personal aspects of the online derangement that we talk about every week.
Yeah, it was good stuff.
I mean, but everything that... So far, everything that I've seen that Carter and everyone over there at Merry-Go-Round Magazine are doing has been awesome.
So, like, just check them out.
Check out Vague Booking.
Check out Merry-Go-Round Magazine.
It's good stuff.
It's really good stuff.
Yeah, really impressed with that episode, and he's also talked to the guy from Neckbeard Death Camp, which is a left-wing anti-racist black metal band that you've probably heard of, and specifically about the time that guy called or contacted the mother of one of his alt-right trolls, so that's a very good story you should listen to.
Also, you can hear about My aunt just like losing all of her cool on Facebook against both me and my friends and you can hear about the skateboarder turned landlord that Tony has to like reckon with in his social media feeds.
Mikey Taylor just put up a year in review.
That's who I'm talking about there.
It's a slideshow of his year, and it's the fucking worst thing.
He got baptized, bought a lot, developed apartments, did that three times, evicted some folks.
He didn't say that, but he did that.
He for sure did that.
It's fucking gross.
I also raised drug prices for cancer treatment.
I was able to close a couple of no-kill shelters.
It's good stuff this year.
Good stuff, Mikey Taylor.
Blessed, blessed.
Yeah, so check out Vague Booking.
Had a lot of fun doing that.
Very good show.
Also, we gotta read a review here, okay?
This is a review from January, but it just came across my desk.
I just noticed it.
So on iTunes, when there's a review, you give the review a little title.
And the title of this review is just Cowards.
That's the word, cowards.
And then it's one star.
It's only one star.
Which is generous, actually.
You can only give one star.
I mean, if he really wanted to give us zero stars, he should have just not left a review.
That's the way to do that.
That's true.
Cowards, one star.
This is by Irish87.
You guys are the liberal cowards, and I pray to God to run into one of you one day.
Sitting back, sipping your latte, spreading communist propaganda.
I fought for this country and everything that men like me work hard for you are trying to destroy.
Well, I mean, yeah.
It's fair.
It's fair.
The only unfair part is the liberal part, but I think he's just confused.
He's not actually calling us liberals.
He just thinks that liberals are communists.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's fair.
I'll give him that.
I drink just coffee or espresso.
If I'm doing a latte, that's fucking rare.
And if I'm doing a latte, it's probably like a cortado.
It's probably a, you know, cortado or like a macchiato.
It's rarely a latte.
That's too much milk or, in my case, oat milk to deal with.
So this guy's pretty far off here.
For me, I do drink lattes, but I do not sip them.
I do not use a straw, because we know that straws are gay.
Using a straw makes you gay, and I'm not gay, so I slurp my coffee noisily through the rim while my package car is shaking and bouncing around, and I'm just spilling coffee all over my neck and down my shirt.
But at least I'm straight.
Yeah.
Most of it ends up in your mustache.
That's true.
Yeah.
Save a little for later.
The funniest part about this review is that it's not for Minion Death Cult.
It's for That Awful Sound.
It's for the podcast that I used to do.
But he's still definitely talking about me and Tony.
Because he's definitely talking about the episode we did on Adam Calhoun that became the first episode of Minion Death Cult.
And I would just...
Like, if I'm gonna get killed by a troop for podcasting, I guess that's okay.
Like, that makes podcasting seem so much cooler than it actually is.
You'd be a martyr, man.
Like, you'd be a hero.
People would have you, uh... I don't know why you're the only one that's hypothetically dying here, but you would definitely be like a... We would have candles with your image on it.
Um...
I mean, I think neither of us should die.
I think killing a podcaster should also be considered a hate crime.
Oh, it is, yeah.
Just like killing a black person.
You should get double.
He should get double the hate crime for killing you, Tony, I think.
I think so.
I think absolutely.
It's the least we could do if he killed you.
But I mean, at the end of the day, I really don't think that anybody whose identity is Uh, their, their background, which they're probably like American Irish and probably not even full Irish.
Um, and maybe the year they were born, which would make them 32.
Um, or maybe the year they graduated.
He's one year older than a Nazi, I think is what that means.
Or like, yeah, or maybe like the year he graduated high school.
Either way, he doesn't want the smoke.
They don't want it.
And we're saying he presumptuously, but I feel pretty confident about it.
Um, But they don't want the smoke, I'll fuck them up.
Yeah, if I, like, I would much rather be killed for podcasting than killed for being, like, a UPS driver taken hostage.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, if I'm gonna either get killed by an aggrieved troop or a cop, I would take the troop.
Because, like, killing me is not gonna make the troop happy.
Like, that troop is not gonna, like, be fine once he kills me, you know?
Oh, yeah.
But, like, a cop, they would probably, like, A, not see any sort of repercussions from it, and they would also, like, be fine with it.
It wouldn't, like... It wouldn't affect them one way or the other.
And I don't like that, you know?
Hey, if either one of us gets merch for podcasting, can we promise that we're going to make shirts and stickers to fund the rest of our lives that just say Podcast Strong on them?
OK, I was going to go with Cast Lives Matter.
Ooh.
And then it would be it would be the the American flag.
But then the center line is just a waveform.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But it's like a red waveform for the progress of recording and it only goes halfway through.
The flag, because it represents how short that track was cut by the untimely death of one of us.
Aww.
Aww.
We're gonna have a short episode tonight?
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
If I'm gonna get killed for podcasting, I hope it's Foreskin, who does it.
That's the only cop I would be happy to kill me.
Yeah.
The only one worthy.
Um, and we know we listen, so what's up Foreskin?
What's good?
We were in your hood, you did nothing.
Yeah.
We were there.
Yeah.
Um, cops are like vampires, they can't kill you unless you invite them to.
And you do that by either challenging them on your podcast, or like holding a cell phone in your hand.
Okay, let's get on to the show, which I mean, we're already kind of talking about it.
UPS driver hostage killed by police, right?
Is there going to be a week where we don't talk about cops on this show?
You know, I've been waiting for it.
You know, like I've said before, I made that deal with my mom that if we just go like one month without them murdering somebody or one week without them violently assaulting somebody, I might, you know, stop saying, you know, harm them.
Um, but until then, that's the deal I have.
We've talked about cops, like, for the past four episodes, and we're going to be talking about them again for the bonus episode this week.
Yeah.
It's like, we get it.
They're bad enough already, you know?
Yes, abolish the cops.
Yes, we get it.
So, I mean, before we get into this topic, we have to say condolences to Frank Ordonez from Miami, Florida, who was the driver who was killed by the police in a hail of 200 bullets that they fired indiscriminately But the cops fired indiscriminately both at the package car and the surrounding area filled with you know a dozen Pedestrians or sorry a dozen bystanders.
Yeah Frank is Survived by two small children two small two young daughters This was reportedly his first day of driving.
Yeah, which is like I It's like a tragic, ironic twist on the whole cop killed on his last day before retirement.
It's UPS driver killed by cops on his first day making a decent wage.
It was literally the beginning.
That's so insane to think about.
To be fair, he was just his first day driving, so he wasn't even making that much money.
You have to go through the progression to do it.
Also, Richard Cutshaw, a bystander who was killed in his car by this hail of bullets.
200 bullets from 19 police officers.
200 or more bullets, probably more.
Richard Cutshaw, a union representative for office workers.
Jesus Christ, yeah.
And I'm reading a quote here from CNN.
Richard represented more than 2,500 government employees in Broward County and Naples, helping them with insurance benefits, assignments, pay issues, and negotiating contracts.
Known as Rick to his co-workers, Uh, Sleznik, who's somebody who knew him, said he was a good-humored and pleas- What?
This- I copied and pasted this article and it's like missing words.
Uh, Sleznik said he was a good-humored and pleasant, I don't know, person who was loved by all who worked with him.
So, not only do we have Frank Ordonez, the UPS driver, who's a union member, killed, we have Richard Cutshaw, who was a union representative, who was actually handling union and, like, workers' rights issues.
Um, this is, you know, me as a UPS driver, I'm not, I don't take it personally that that Frank Ordonez was a UPS driver.
Like, that's kind of beside the point.
Um, it's the fact that he was a working person and the fact that Richard Cutshaw was a working person, not only a working person, but was actively standing up for working people's rights.
Um, and everybody who's been killed by the police like this, they're all working people.
Yeah.
Every single- none of them are CEOs.
None of them are, you know, small business owners.
I mean, maybe a few of them.
But, they're all working people.
Murdered by the police.
And when we- when we call the police class traitors, this is why.
This is why we do it!
Literal class traitors murdering, assassinating our working brothers, sisters, and non-binary pals.
It's wild to think about, and I mean, just thinking about the fact that uh considering the exchange this was like a low body count the cops like got lucky almost yeah you know for four people and you know even even even the uh even the the the suspects they were chasing like that's fucking over over over what over some like material over jewelry over jewelry you know i'm saying over something that's it was insured i'm like say on a packaged car that's being tracked
Package cars, people don't, maybe people don't know this, package cars, UPS package cars have built-in GPS.
My employer knows in real time where that package car is at all times.
Yeah.
Guess what?
That package car also gets like 7 miles to the gallon.
Yeah.
And it doesn't go above 65 miles an hour.
Yeah, this is so unnecessary.
Like, these motherfuckers think that, like, Michael Bay is the chief of police or something like that.
And they think that this is, like, Bad Boys, and they think that they have to, like, do some heroic moment where they're, like, doing some shootout over a fucking jewelry heist.
And just completely forgetting that these are humans, and these are lives, and these are, like, that you're snuffing out lives, and you're, like, ruining families and friends.
It's so... so gross.
It's gross, it's a combination of a few different things but like just I want to talk about just the escalation here because that is absolutely what happened.
I mean police chases in general like There usually is a policy not to engage in a chase, especially when it's through crowded streets, because it just makes everything more dangerous.
I think, Tony, you were talking about last week a friend you had who was killed because the police were chasing a suspect and that suspect was fleeing from the police and killed somebody you knew.
Yeah, ran him over on his bike just because they were chasing him over next to nothing.
And that's the only reason that guy got convicted of anything, because he was being chased by the cops already.
But yeah, they ignore this policy all the fucking time.
And it's that combination that we talked about on that bonus episode.
It's that combination of pride and cowardice.
Because it's it's the pride of like, oh, this guy refused to stop for us.
We have to teach him a lesson or how dare he disrespect us?
Yep.
By by, you know, not submitting to our authority, basically.
And you can't let it go.
These people can't let it go.
Let the person, you know, get a mile ahead of them while being tracked by, you know, a police helicopter or whatever.
And then eventually when they abandon the vehicle, because they're going to abandon the vehicle, Meet up with him again at some point.
I mean, abolish the police.
Fuck the police.
You know.
Facts.
But I'm just saying... That's... That's the protocol for a reason.
Because it's... As long as we have this, uh, current policing system, that's one of the ways to, uh, minimize the casualties.
And minimize the, uh, the... What do you call it?
The, uh... People caught in the crossfire.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Um...
One of their common responses, while we're talking about protocol, one of the common responses to this is, well, have you ever been in this situation?
Have you ever been a cop?
Then what right do you have to give advice?
What right do you have to talk about it if you've never been a cop or if you've never had a gun pointed at you or whatever?
Well, look at the people who have been in this situation, namely these cops.
Look at how they handled it and maybe don't follow that fucking advice.
Maybe that advice is worse.
Maybe they'll learn one day, but it's still, they're not learning.
They're not learning.
Maybe the advice of cops who have been in this situation is worth less than the common sense of people observing it.
Maybe.
Like, they really think at some point that, uh, yeah, this piece of jewelry got, this jewelry got stolen and no cops died and that's how they do the math.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'm sure they recovered the jewels off the bloody corpses of three people.
And yeah, it's just, I mean, it once again speaks to, like, the fact that the police are there to protect property.
They're not there to protect you or me.
They're there to protect property and themselves, first and foremost.
Another weird, like, logical leap or logical trick that people are playing on I think themselves as well as like other people when they try to defend this sort of thing.
They'll say like, oh, they had to shoot the hostage.
They had to shoot the UPS driver and the innocent bystander.
They had to shoot these people because the suspects were firing at them.
They had to defend themselves.
And then when you say, well, why were they in a position to have to defend themselves in the first place?
They'll say, well, because the suspects had guns.
The suspect had guns.
Do you want them on the loose?
So the logic then becomes the cops had to close in on the people with guns so they could defend themselves from the people with guns.
Yep.
That's what the logic becomes.
We had to insert ourselves in this situation to defend ourselves from this situation that we inserted ourselves into.
It's the stand your ground thing.
It's exactly the stand your ground thing.
It's Zimmerman confronting Trayvon Martin and then having to defend himself once he started a fight.
Once he started a fight with somebody else.
But on that same logic, if I were to say something along the lines of, I was just standing my ground against the police, I might get my door knocked on.
Yeah, you couldn't pull that off, I don't think.
Yeah, there's no way.
I might be able to pull that off, just because I'm more charismatic than you.
But, yeah.
I mean, I've heard of that.
I've heard of that in some far-right states where they're like, so far-right, they're like, no, fuck the police, come back with a warrant kind of thing.
I've heard people successfully using that, but it's not the norm whatsoever.
Yeah, it just turns into this circular logic though where they had to shoot the hostage because they had to protect the hostage.
They had to go in there and shoot the hostage because they had to go in there and protect the hostage.
Protect the hostage, yeah.
Or the cops had to shoot the suspects because their lives were in danger because they had to shoot the suspects.
Well, would you rather be killed by a cop or a dirty, dirty jewelry thief?
That's true, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's funny because I saw people say like, well, what do you think that the thieves were going to do with the hostage?
And it's like, who knows?
If it was anything less than murder him, then it would have been an improvement than what the cops did.
Which is funny too, because like we all love a Julia Heist movie.
That's true.
Everyone loves Julia Heist movie.
And in the Julia Heist movie, like the hostage gets a pair of earrings that will like pay for a year of college for their kid.
True.
And they get to go on their way.
Yeah.
You know?
And I love this because it's like the middle of a busy intersection.
Everybody's probably seen or read about this story by now, but it's the middle of a busy intersection.
The UPS truck who's been leading these cops on a low-speed chase.
It's blocked by traffic, right?
So, 19 cops descend on this package car, and then somebody hears a shot.
It's not clear who fired that first shot.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Even if the reporting comes back that, oh, the suspects fired the first shot, I'm not going to believe that shit.
No way am I going to take their word for it that that happened.
No.
Even if they did, it's beside the point.
You have a hostage situation.
You have innocent bystanders surrounding in the cars, and 19 cops with their guns drawn converge on the vehicle.
Turning it into Swiss cheese.
Insane.
And this just reminds me of the cop memes we cover on the show, but also the foreskin lyrics.
Who's the only one that's run into a gunfight?
Yep.
Right?
This is a cop meme.
Oh, you hate the police, but who else is gonna run towards trouble?
Who else is gonna run towards gunfire?
The people desperate to return gunfire, that's who.
Psychopaths.
Absolute psychopaths like these people.
Like, it takes two to make a gunfight.
You just gotta leave it alone and it won't be a gunfight.
Yeah, and like, they run toward the suspects, start firing, they run toward the suspects and then retreat behind bystanders' vehicles.
Yes.
And this is that combination that I'm talking about.
It's that combination of pride, or I would call it both pride and aggression, Just absolute, like, tunnel vision for... Tunnel vision for getting these people, but then, oh, oh, I guess they're armed, which we knew from the beginning.
Better retreat behind innocent people who don't have, uh, don't have any armor, don't have any flak jackets, don't have armor-plated vehicles.
Hiding behind pedestrian vehicles.
It's a combination of pride, aggression, and cowardice.
Because it's like, we're gonna engage, we're gonna escalate this situation, but we're gonna hide behind people who don't have the protection we do, or the weapons that we do.
It's insane.
You know that they're out there right now, well it's probably printed at places, I'm sure in interviews it's happening, where they're referring to this as like, victims of friendly fire, as we do like in war.
Yeah.
You know, it's fucking disgusting.
It's just so wild to think about.
Like you said, who are they protecting and serving here?
Over this fucking jewelry?
Yeah, themselves.
They're protecting themselves and they're protecting some red ink in a dude's... a temporary red ink in somebody's ledger until insurance comes in.
Yeah, they had their chance.
They had the chance to finally, like, pull the trigger and, like, do the thing.
And they had to take it.
Yeah, so let's get into comments.
First comment here is from somebody called UPS, who's verified on Twitter, who says, we are deeply saddened to learn a UPS service provider was a victim of this senseless act of violence.
Good start.
OK, yeah, good start.
It was pretty fucking senseless.
It is sad.
We extend our condolences to the family and friends of our employee and the other innocent victims involved in the incident.
We appreciate law enforcement service.
Record scratch.
What?
Gag take.
Eyes bulging out of my head as I see my own employer thanking the cops for killing somebody who did my job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We appreciate their service.
We appreciate law enforcement's service and will cooperate with the authorities as they continue the investigation.
Do you think whoever runs this Twitter account, they're also like, shit, I better just do what the cops say going forward?
They're just like, we'll totally cooperate with the cops.
We love the cops.
Please don't fucking fire 200 bullets at me.
What, like, a wild level of, like, cucked is that?
Like, hey, so I want you to come in here, but I don't want you to shame me, I want you to murder me.
I want you to go ahead and murder me and the people I care about, and then you can go ahead and, you know, fuck me over.
Well, this is corporate, and implying that corporate actually cares about their drivers is a big stretch.
That's true.
That is true.
You're right.
Very true.
I love that they say we appreciate law enforcement service because my title as a driver is not driver.
You know what my title is, Tony?
Huh.
Nuh-uh.
Service provider.
Yes, Jesus.
That's my official UPS title, is service provider, because I'm like the face of the company.
I'm a service provider.
I provide the actual service to the customer.
We appreciate law enforcement service for killing one of our service providers.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
May I have another?
Yeah.
And what could they possibly be thanking them for?
They did nothing for UPS here.
They fucked up that, I mean, they fucked up the truck too, you know?
Yeah, they did nothing good for UPS.
And it's not like UPS, it's not like cops are like looking out for UPS trucks being like, I got, I got, hey, no, has a cop ever looked at you and been like, hey, got your six?
Uh, no, I always like park in the red and stare at cops, daring them to give me a ticket because UPS is just going to pay for it anyway.
Yeah.
Yeah, go ahead, it's cool.
Yeah, it was nice to see the stepfather, the father of the victim, of Frank call the cops on their bullshit.
It was nice to see Frank's sister call the cops on their bullshit.
That was great.
I don't think they said anything against the company.
There were also like a lot of... Not a lot.
I didn't look through the whole comment section, but there were a surprising amount of Good comments on Fox News?
Um, yeah.
Pretty, pretty...
It's rare to go in there and be like, oh, that's cool.
Be in there, that conversation, be like, oh, I like that.
I feel the same way.
Yeah.
It's rare.
Dunkany said, before jumping on the They're All Heroes bandwagon, try, really try, and imagine your son was coming down those stairs with hands up, scared to death, before 19 out-of-control cops shoot off over 200 rounds, killing everyone in the UPS truck, along with another poor soul.
Just sitting in his car.
Disgraceful.
And I'm a lifelong conservative who supports police.
100%.
But also hold them all up to an extremely high standard as well.
That's not that high of a standard.
No.
That's pretty low bar.
That's a low standard.
You should hold everyone to that standard.
Hey, don't spray off 200 bullets in a Mafia-style execution.
Uh, yeah.
Like, uh...
Danny D says, I usually back the police but not this time.
A hostage and innocent bystander were killed.
Why couldn't the police simply follow the truck until it ran out of gas?
Guaranteed most, not all, have a high school education or even a GED.
It's not the education level, it's the corruption and us-versus-them attitude you get as a public safety officer.
I know I was one, LOL.
Just look at how we would call regular citizens civilians, LOL.
We are not in the military, idiots.
Yep.
We need more of those.
We need more of those.
We need more of those good cops, by which I mean ex-cops.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean ex-cops who are holding cops accountable today.
Oh, and then 13AJ13Jones says, hang the pigs high.
Yes.
So there's that comment, which I will not comment or endorse or speak on whatsoever.
Just, yeah, interesting comments in a Fox News comment section.
Like we were saying before, that shows you how truly bad this was.
We know it's bad.
We knew it was bad.
But to see any type of support for our sentiment in that comment section, uh, really illustrates how bad this is.
Yeah, and it's funny because I did have people, like, trying to defend the cops, uh, like on Twitter and stuff.
And...
It's just funny how ridiculous they look.
Like, they're few and far between, and even they know, like, they don't have much of a leg to stand on.
And we'll get into that, obviously, we got some pro cop takes in here.
But yeah, their defense of the cops is pretty, like, boilerplate or half-assed, you know?
Yeah.
They're reaching for sure.
Yeah, this whole episode is extremely beyond the pale.
It's hard for people to blanketly support the police because it was two, quote, innocent bystanders killed, not just two suspects.
If the two suspects had been the only ones killed, most people would probably be fine with how this was handled.
Despite the fact that it was two suspects, and they hadn't seen their day in court, and there were still all those bystanders around.
Yeah.
But because, quote, two innocent people were killed, it's kind of hard for like the general public to swallow this.
Um, and I don't know, maybe it, maybe it like, uh, what's the opposite of blue-red?
I guess red pills, people, against cops?
Uh, hopefully.
I don't know.
Donna Johns Underwood says, uh, no one cares about the criminals.
All they want to do is whine about the police.
It seems like no one cares whether the criminals got caught or not.
today's society dot dot dot people aren't responsible for their action criminals took a hostage dot dot dot the police should have shot him dot dot and they did dot dot dot the blood she'd like she apostrophe d she would but it's shed the bloodshed of the innocent is on the criminal's hands dot dot dot not police
that's the like that's the best thing ever is when they just negate the whole purpose of having a hostage by like murdering the hostage Yeah, we refuse to negotiate with terrorists.
We're just gonna murder everybody.
We'll do it ourselves.
Yeah.
So this comment is amazing to me.
"No one cares about the criminals.
"All they wanna do is whine about the police.
"It seems like no one cares "whether the criminals got caught or not." So like, does this count as the criminals getting caught?
Like, if you just murder them, does that count as being caught?
It's an interesting use of the language.
I mean, they're stopped.
They stopped the criminals.
Nobody cares that they stopped the criminals.
Well, I mean, just having the alarm set or the cops called at all is getting caught.
Like, that's getting caught.
Now, you know, getting executed on the street with no trial That's a different thing.
That's called getting- That's not getting caught.
That's not getting caught, it's getting got.
Yeah, absolutely.
I love this line.
This is my next favorite line.
People aren't responsible for their action.
Dot dot dot.
Criminals took a hostage.
Dot dot dot.
The police should have shot them.
Shot them.
Dot dot.
And they did.
Dot dot dot.
The bloodshed of the innocent is on the criminal's hands.
Dot dot dot.
Not police!
Nobody takes responsibility for their actions.
Also, the people who literally shot the hostage aren't responsible for it.
You know, it's not really Donna's fault that, like, we're not thinking about things straight.
We haven't had a good negotiator movie since, like, what, Phone Booth?
Yeah.
You know, like, the only option is to shoot him with a hostage.
You can't do anything besides just shoot him.
Yeah, we don't know how to deal with hostages anymore.
That's for sure.
It's because they all become, like, like we were saying, I think on that bonus episode, we were saying if we ever get taken hostage by suspects or criminals or whatever, we're just, like, doing the whole, uh, What do you call it?
Where you join their side?
Yeah, yeah.
Can I just help?
Anything I can do to help you?
Yeah.
It's like, yeah.
What is that syndrome called, Tony?
Why can't I remember the name of that syndrome?
When you, like, love your kidnapper?
Yeah.
God dang it.
We're so bad at remembering stuff.
Yeah, anyway.
It's just instantaneous, like, alright, what are we doing now?
Yeah.
The only way I'm getting out of this alive is if we cooperate.
Exactly.
Can I lift that for you?
You guys want me to lift it for you?
I'm pretty strong.
Yeah.
I can carry that for you.
Listen, my UPS uniform can get me into a lot of places.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not a joke.
Do you guys want to hit another bank?
Do you guys want to?
We don't have to rob them.
I can just go in the back.
Let's go in the back.
It's cool.
What I was gonna say is, in my UPS groups, like, anytime anything bad happens to a UPS driver, uh, my UPS group is like, LET US CARRY GUNS!
Let me carry a fucking gun, UPS!
I want to- I want to put my life on the line for your products.
Please.
For the merchandise under your stead.
Let me defend this.
Let me defend house, home, and oh yeah, Amazon packages with my rifle.
Please.
It's like the most absurd argument.
I am not against gun ownership.
I am against trying to, uh, I don't know, fend off criminals with a gun while also carrying 50 pounds of packages to a front door.
Yeah, that's a bad idea.
You don't need to do that.
That's not necessary.
I'm against trying to engage a possible assailant while having my hands full of a Casper mattress.
I'm not into that idea, folks.
I don't want to die for your trunk club, okay?
You're gonna like send half that shit back anyway.
That's amazing.
So it's just, and furthermore... Yeah, okay, you're gonna carry a gun to protect yourself from whom?
The police?
Are you gonna shoot back at the police in this situation?
Because they're the ones who killed you.
They're the ones trying to kill you.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, just absurd.
That would have been an amazing, like, turn of tables though, if they were like, wait, all of a sudden the EPS driver had a gun and he was shooting back?
I posted a meme into the Joe Rogan Facebook group of a, uh, when a cop, when a cop crouches down behind my vehicle to shoot at a suspect and it shows the guy throwing it into reverse and looking over his shoulder.
Yeah.
And it got, it got some likes in there.
It got a few likes in there.
It got like about 30 likes and no negative comments.
I was thinking about exactly that, like how that would end if like somebody were to like Try to drive away and, like, hit a police officer.
That's tight.
They would get shot.
They would get super shot.
If you're ever in that situation, maybe try it out.
Yeah.
Just for, like, your own safety.
You gotta crouch down, though.
You gotta crouch way down.
You might get away with it.
Yeah.
You gotta crouch your way down.
Yeah.
Those cops aren't gonna be fired, right?
Those cops are not gonna be fired.
They're put on paid leave right now, and the best you could possibly hope for is they're fired and then rehired by a different department.
Yeah, there's gonna be zero repercussions here.
Yeah.
That's cool, man.
It's cool how just, like, you can...
Kill a bunch of bystanders as a cop and not face any repercussions.
We're gonna see a picture in the newspaper in a month of those cops posing with the jewelry.
Yeah.
Posing with the three necklaces on a countertop.
Yeah.
Heist foiled.
Yeah, okay.
RDR2 says... Maybe that's RDR2?
Is that a Simpsons joke?
RDR?
That's you.
You would know that.
I wouldn't know that.
RDRR?
Okay.
RDR2 says, Nah man, nah.
These cops are out of control.
There needs to be repercussions for their actions.
Joe Pop says, out of control.
The problem is that these outside groups don't help the process.
All they are doing is assigning blame and making things worse.
We can't have scared cops always worried about Monday morning quarterbacks blaming them.
And this is an argument you hear a lot.
Oh, cops can't do anything anymore.
They can barely kill innocent people anymore because people are scrutinizing their every move.
It's like, well, I don't know.
I haven't really seen a downtick in them killing people.
And, like, this tells you a whole lot of their mindset, too.
Like, this was the equivalent of, like, a fumbled football play today.
That was it.
Yeah, I mean, it was a really... the ref let it go on for too long.
That was the main problem.
Yeah.
Uh, we need to do a review.
We need to get a review system in place.
Uh, just imagine, like, murdering two people on camera.
Imagine, like, on camera, firing 200 bullets into a crowded street, and then people are like, well, let's not, let's not assign blame just yet.
Yeah, let's not do the playback.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Um...
Yeah, all they're doing is, uh, we can't have scared cops.
What would be the bad thing about scared cops?
What could that be?
Well, that's the thing though, is that we already do have scared cops, but they're not scared for the right reasons.
They're not scared because they don't realize, like, they're, they're, they're scared of their own shadows is what they're scared of.
They're not scared of overreacting or of public opinion.
They're scared for their own lives every single second of every day.
All the time.
Uh, this next, this next take got me real mad.
power swab says bystanders sometimes get caught up as collateral damage for trying to get a better look at a chaotic scene unfolding so that's why the dude who was sitting in his car stopped in traffic stopped by the cops blockaded by the cops that's why he died is because he was just trying to get a look-see at You can hear him, but you gotta be able to see him too, you know.
Yeah, it's because he's rubbernecking.
Yeah.
Hey, what's going on over here?
It's crazy.
It's a place that I'm stuck at, that I can't get away from, that I'm trapped in.
Has that ever happened?
Has any bystander, innocent bystander, been shot because they were curious about the sound of gunfire?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, maybe it was an off-duty police officer who just wanted to, like, go towards the gunfire.
Yeah, exactly.
If you're gonna look at people in a spot where they don't belong.
Look at the cops themselves.
We know the only people that go towards that.
We've been told a million times.
We have.
Fergie Ace says, when cops are better trained and better paid, parentheses, to attract better candidates, maybe these things will stop happening.
Unfortunately and tragically, these cops killed two innocent people.
If you really support police, demand better training and pay.
Yeah, I was thinking about that.
I was like, you know what, I wish that these cops who, uh, who, who assassinated these men on the street, um, they should be paid more for doing so.
Yeah, uh, I was thinking like 80 bucks, 80,000, uh, a year is pretty good money, but it's not not killing people money.
It's true.
You know, they're, they're right.
Maybe we should think about that.
Maybe, maybe there is a bare minimum that we need to get paid before we stop killing people.
And by killing people, I do mean the rich.
Yeah.
Very interesting.
I think we've had this take before.
I think we've had this take before.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Oh, these are a bunch of Keystone cops.
And the problem is they don't make enough money.
Yep.
That's like, it's a bigger brain take than the whole police, than unions are responsible for.
I mean, to be fair, the police union does need to be abolished.
I mean, police themselves need to be abolished.
But, um...
People try to pin, like, unionism in general.
They try to tie it in with, like, oh, poor teachers are just, like, bad cops.
They keep their jobs.
And then they both do damage to society by turning your son into a genderqueer communist, but also, you know, murdering people on the street or whatever.
Also turning your son into a corpse.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is a bigger brain take, though.
We need to pay them better so they don't kill people.
Yep.
So fucking stupid.
Truthjusticetheamericanway797 says... The PC Police are coming after the real police for doing their jobs.
Sad.
Hey, PC Police, stay in your jurisdiction.
I just like this because...
I mean, we do see negative reporting on police, mostly because they do so many negative things.
And if they didn't do so many negative things, there would be zero negative articles about the police.
I mean, even when they do kill people in the middle of the street, the article will still be pretty unbiased.
But compare that to the number of articles about the PC police.
Compare that to the amount of ink spilled over PC Police and the Snowflake Generation who are trying to make words illegal on college campuses or whatever.
Yeah.
This is like, it's just such a good, I don't know, representation of how fucked this country is and how much more we care about, like, not getting to say the N-word versus innocent people being killed on the street by, uh, you know, I don't know, authoritarian police force.
Yeah, what if, like, the PC Police had the authority that the police had?
What if we could just, like, arrest you or, like, merc you for being, like, a racist?
Even if, like, the cancellation really did mean, like, your life gets cancelled or whatever, I still don't think it would amount, it would be, like, as many people killed by police.
I don't think that many people have been cancelled.
Not even close.
What is it like... I'm butchering the statistic here, but something like a third of people that were shot and killed this year were by police.
It's, I think, a third of people who were killed by somebody they didn't know were killed by police.
That's what it was.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Yeah.
Which is incredible.
It's incredible, but I believe it.
I mean, a leading cause of the death of Blackman is by police.
So, I mean...
Uh, yeah, the PC police are coming after the real police for doing their job.
Like, you know, the PC police are infinitely better in this comparison.
So, who's coming after the cops?
Nobody except the PC police.
Okay, cool, I like the PC police now.
There is, yeah, there is no police that are policing the police.
Except for the PC police.
And it's like, what does the real police mean?
The real police who just killed two innocent people in a hail of gunfire.
Like yeah, they're bad people.
They're the bad people in this situation.
That's the standard you're setting here, is that?
Um...
Last comment here.
Sonja Shivers-Love says, So sad.
My condolences to his family, the driver's family.
I hope they fry those idiots.
I'm so sick of innocent people losing their lives.
Yeah, and I agree.
I agree 100% with Sonja's comment here.
I do hope they fry the idiots responsible for the death of that driver and the death of that union rep.
Yes, yes.
Are they talking about... I don't think they are.
They are talking about the other people that also died already, right?
Uh, I am going to choose to believe they're talking about the people responsible for the deaths.
Okay, good, good.
I hope so.
Choose to believe.
Yeah.
Could you imagine?
What, what does it take?
What does it take for a cop to get, to get the death penalty?
What does it take to get that piggy fried?
What does it take for that?
Like, what You have to kill several other cops as a cop to get the death penalty.
We've had cops kill their whole families and they didn't get the death penalty.
Not that I'm advocating for the death penalty at all, I'm just wondering what it would take for it to go to that level.
Yeah, like imagine how controversial the phrase would be to say, I hope they fry these cops for killing innocent people.
Just try to type that out on your main feed.
Oh yeah, get that, get that.
Try to type that out.
I mean, you know, we do, we do type that shit out.
But yeah, that's like, you get on a watch list for that.
I've mentioned this on a previous episode, but San Marino County is one of the only police departments that has the authority to take people out via helicopter.
Mm-hmm.
You mean kill them, not take them out for like a joyride.
No, no, to kill them, like in things like pursuits and stuff like that.
I mean, I, you know, I want to know like what it takes to get to that level.
And they're prepared to take that type of action for some person who's probably stealing jewelry.
But they, I don't think it would, like I said, I don't know what it would take for the death penalty for a cop.
Like, they're, they're, uh, The perspective of the police is so interesting, it's so wild.
And the justice system in general, it's so wild.
Yeah, I mean I would call it more like the injustice system, you know?
Hot take, man.
Yeah.
Let's move on to the next topic of the night, which is a post and an article.
Okay, this is a post from the Libertarian Party on Facebook, and it links to an article in The Week, theweek.com.
Okay.
The headline is, it's time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn't welcome racists.
And this is by Bonnie Christian and I'm gonna read one one paragraph from the article.
It's pretty long and like navel-gazing and I don't know, wishy-washy on who's to blame for this sort of thing, but this sort of thing does not only, so she's talking about like bad behavior by libertarians, this sort of thing does not only turn American minorities away from libertarians, it also turns racists towards us.
And just as Carney says to conservatives, it is incumbent on libertarians to create an ideological ecosystem that doesn't welcome racism.
Our movement must make exceedingly clear that we are not congenial to white nationalism, even if the white nationalists happen to agree with us about the welfare state.
Parentheses, this should not have to be said!
So I think it's funny in this article that you're writing explicitly for the purpose of saying that racists aren't welcome in your movement.
You're still acting aggrieved like this shouldn't have to be said but here I am writing a whole article saying it because it needs to be said.
Weird.
It needs to be said because hey there's a lot of racists in this movement.
Yeah what's going on here?
Where do they all come from?
And the Libertarian Party's Facebook page wrote a caption for this.
Today, 154 years ago, a long and difficult path to racial equality under the law began in America.
The 13th Amendment was adopted, abolishing slavery in the United States.
Individual liberty does not allow for the ownership of others.
It does not allow for the law to treat people differently based on the color of their skin, either explicitly or implicitly.
We've come a long way on that front.
Yet there are still issues today that demand attention, from a racially biased and disturbingly abused war on drugs, to broken immigration laws that lead government agencies to disproportionately target minority groups.
There's also the less spoken of but just as important societal factor when it comes to racism in the United States.
Our country is blessed with a Bill of Rights that ensures we are all allowed to speak our opinions and views regardless of what the government wants.
That permits people with even the worst ideas of their fellow man to voice those opinions.
But it also empowers us to ridicule those people in the arena of public discourse.
More than that, it demands it.
Okay, so I'm going to pause right here.
Well, when we see or hear someone espouse something that goes against the ideology of liberty and freedom for all, it is on us to respond to that, to denounce it, to argue it, and to oppose it.
Um, to oppose it in what way?
Oh, by ridiculing it in, in the, the public sphere by just owning, owning the racist.
I mean, that's how you, that's how you get rid of racism.
You gotta dunk on them.
Cause you just make fun of them.
You know, Hey, that person, uh, they won't serve, uh, black people or gay people or other minorities.
Hey, let's, let's joke at them.
Yeah.
That's the only answer from these people.
Oh, that's the only recourse?
Not only does... what is it right here?
Not only does it empower us to ridicule those people, it demands it.
The courage of my convictions demands that I make fun of racists.
Okay, cool.
It's an obligatory... We gotta obligatorily joke on them.
Hard.
It is on us to take a stand for what we believe in.
The Libertarian Party, and indeed the entirety of the movement for liberty from oppressive government overreach, is far too often associated with those espousing views of white nationalism.
These accusations are often made by people acting in good faith, concerned that a movement that should be about the good of all is being co-opted for the bigoted views of a few.
I mean, how many libertarians are there?
I think they count as the few.
I think that's what counts, is the bigoted views of a few.
Yeah.
So let it be made clear here today.
We, the Libertarian Party, oppose racism in all its myriad forms.
We believe that respect for the individual rights of all people, whether they be white, black, American, or foreign, is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world.
And their Facebook page exploded.
Yeah it's funny because like when you said this to me I was like oh this is cool this is this is a good thing and then like after just thinking about it for you know five seconds it's like oh oh wait okay hold on yeah this is uh
This is gonna this is gonna expose a lot of stuff and this is not gonna just they're not just let this go Well, it's first of all, it's just like a token denunciation of racism which like The Republican Party does all the time Like, Trump doesn't say racism is good.
Trump says, I denounce, I denounce racism, I denounce racism, and then does a bunch of racism.
Like, it's, you know, this isn't by any means a brave stance.
It's just a funny stance to make when you're a libertarian, when you're a party of libertarians filled with racists, filled with reactionary racists who, like, think the Republican Party isn't far right enough.
Yep.
Okay, that's what the Libertarian Party is today.
Never mind your high-minded, like, rights of the individual or whatever.
It's, it's exactly this, it's... The argument for states' rights to slavery, uh...
State's rights is to slavery as the individual rights is to racism like that's that's Yeah, that's what they mean when they say individual rights.
Okay, and it's people who like We're tired of quote virtue signaling from Republicans.
So they went to the Libertarian Party Yeah, and I like how like the basis was like a listen guys slavery was bad.
Oh Yeah, well, I mean hey Not everybody thinks the same way as you.
No.
No, I joined this party because I thought there was freedom of thought.
Okay, I thought we were allowed to think different things about slavery.
I thought one day maybe we can get that one back.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Garrett Peterson says, it's amazing how this very laudable statement by the Libertarian Party has been completely hijacked by a bunch of mouth-breathing, quote, Libertarians who want to be racist.
I don't find that amazing at all.
I find it completely and entirely expected.
It was the second I saw what this post was, I was like, oh, wonderful.
Let's do an episode about this before even looking at the comments.
I was like, oh, cool, an episode.
And it's just so funny to think, to be like an American Libertarian, to have the capital L Libertarianism as part of your, you know, belief system in America, and to wonder why there's so many racists in your comment section is astounding.
Let's visit the vice chair, the former vice chair of the Libertarian Party, Arvind Vohra, who posted on Facebook, I'll take a white supremacist who wants to tear down the welfare state over a government school teacher who wants to keep it.
Insane.
Insane.
I literally take a white supremacist who wants to tear down the welfare state and a white supremacist who wants to take down the welfare state pretty much because like they view welfare as something that aids minorities and that's why they hate it over a government school teacher who like at minimum is teaching people.
Yeah.
Like, that's, that's who they're comparing here.
This is like, it's an insane statement because it's, I hate people so much I'm willing to band with another horrible person in order to hurt more people.
And also, where is this a choice?
Where are we choosing between these two things?
Well, because this dude went on, uh... What's his name?
Uh... The Crying Nazi, that guy.
The guy who was part of the... His name's Chris something, I can't remember his name.
Yeah, yeah.
He was at the, you know, Unite the Right rally.
He's that guy who's in the Vice Doc, who's like pulling all the weapons off of his body once he's back at the hotel.
He's like, you know, uh...
Unconcealing the eight guns and four knives he has on his body and then he ended up crying when the cops arrested him.
Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
He went on that guy's podcast, this vice chair of the Libertarian Party.
He went on that guy's podcast and caught pushback, and he was like, well, no, he hates black people, and I hate poor people, and, you know, black people are disproportionately poor, so, you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
This makes sense.
This makes sense.
We're just covering more ground here.
I have an entry from Wikipedia here.
Can you give me a more evil name than Arvind Vora?
Christopher Cantrell.
I think that's the crying Nazi's name.
You're right, yeah.
In defense of his view that individuals and families, rather than the state, should determine readiness for marriage and procreation, Arvind Vora stated, Statists insist that there is some magical age at which every single person on earth is ready to give sexual consent, and seem unbothered by the fact that in America, this age varies from state to state.
Logically, either then... I love it when logic enters into your argument for abolishing the age of consent.
Logically, either that means 1.
There is not actually a magical age.
2.
Some states have set the age too high and are prosecuting people unjustly.
3.
Some ages have set the age too low and are failing to protect kids.
4.
Human nature somehow varies from one state to the other.
The Libertarian Youth Caucus called for Voro's resignation.
That's so incredible.
What state is it where it's too high and people are getting in trouble unjustly?
Somebody asked him if he would have sex with a 14 year old and he said, I'm not going to answer that and I don't think I should be making decisions for other people.
That's so wild!
The common meme about libertarianism is you're a pedophile.
You want to have sex with children and you're mad at the state for preventing you from doing that.
And so, I don't know, maybe when Mr. Vora here became vice chair of the Libertarian Party, he was like, OK, well, this is what we do, right?
This is what I got to do.
I got to get my pedophile pants on.
This is part of it?
And argue against age of consent laws.
And then he also read the meme about... Well, you don't want to lose your base.
He also read the meme about how Libertarians are all racist.
And he's like, OK, got to go on some white nationalist podcasts and not only do that, but then talk about how I prefer white nationalists to school teachers.
To school teachers.
I mean, the best part is there's a part of this where this guy might just be playing ball.
Like this guy might just be trying to keep his constituency and not shake the base.
And because of things like this, and also because of his statements about shooting up school boards, he said, school shootings are bad, but school board shootings, now there's an idea.
Uh, he said that.
How is this person anything?
How is this person, like, if this person wields any power anywhere, it shows how bad the organization might be.
Yeah, and they had a vote to remove him after all of these things and it failed.
The vote failed.
Fuck.
The current chair of the Libertarian Party voted to keep him in the party.
Keep this pedophile, racist, wanting to commit murder against innocent people in the party.
The guy who still has his job voted for that.
I had to take a piss.
So wild.
So yeah, I can't imagine why Libertarians, why people think Libertarians are racist.
People just paint with a broad brush, man.
It's just not fair.
I love it's not even like random Libertarians.
It's the fucking vice chair of the whole party.
Who couldn't even get ousted for that sort of behavior.
Yeah, so Libertarian Party posted on Facebook, hey, we should try to not be racist.
And people were like, whoa.
Whoa, I thought they did the whole South Park Randy thing.
I thought this was libertarianism!
What the hell, bro?
I thought this was America.
I thought I could be free to be racist, bro.
It's that whole, like, okay, how about you not tell me how to live my life?
No, literally, everybody was like that.
I'm just gonna live my life over here, yeah.
It's so wild.
Well, it looks like the PC police and the libs have finally taken over the libertarian party.
I thought we weren't into shackles, but apparently we're into shackles around here.
The shackles of anti-racism.
God, I hate those fucking shackles.
Hate those ties that bind.
This guy, Nathan Thompsonia.
Do you think Thompsonia is the name of his state?
The name of his personal state?
Absolutely.
He hasn't changed his last name to that so that he can do that.
The name of his personal state of Thompsonia.
Nathan Thompsonia.
This is the sovereign citizen that Street Fight talks about.
Dude, I need to go back and look at this guy's page, because I was looking at his profile pic, but I need to see what else is on his page.
I didn't realize that last name.
Nathan Thompsonia, yeah, from the sovereign nation of Thompsonia, was like posting the same thing in every reply, as well as just in the main thread, which were graphs that supposedly show that people of color prefer which were graphs that supposedly show that people of color prefer less freedom. - You know, they should be thanking For giving him so many limitations.
They crave it.
Childlike races, they crave discipline.
The graph on the bottom is just like a geographic map of the continents.
And the nations.
Shaded according to less freedom towards more freedom.
And there's also no data, which is like applied to several African countries.
But apparently North America loves their freedom.
Australia also loves their freedom.
Also the North, uh, the Northern European countries and Europe love their freedom.
What does that say about the other countries?
And then you also have There are also large, this is the other graph, there are also large racial differences between communalists and libertarians.
And this is highlighted.
Nearly all libertarians are non-Hispanic whites, parentheses 94 percent, and more than eight in 10, parentheses 81 percent, libertarian leaners are also non-Hispanic whites.
There is no race problem here.
There's no racial problem here.
In contrast... I'm saying they just don't want to be here.
Yes.
In contrast, communalists comprise nearly equal proportions of non-Hispanic whites, blacks, and Hispanics.
Communalist leaners are also composed of a larger share of non-white Americans.
Yeah.
So this is what he's saying.
It took me a second to realize what he's saying.
He's not saying like, oh, we have a race problem within the party.
We need to do outreach to minority communities who do not identify as libertarians.
No.
What he's saying is it's okay to be racist because we won't lose any votes for it.
Yeah.
And also he's saying that like they don't want to be here.
They don't want this.
Their naturally primitive brains can't appreciate the liberty of having sex with underage children like us.
If you look on that map with the darker shades, if you zoom in, it's right in Central East America.
There's a really, really dark spot.
That's Thompsonia.
It's a little tiny, tiny speck.
Yeah, it's Vantablack colored.
There's no light escaping from that ultimately free state.
I thought a pixel on my computer had died, but it was just Thompsonia.
It's a black hole from which no light can escape.
V Paul de Liberia.
Oh my god, this is another one!
Dilibera.
Dilibera is this dude's last name.
Dilibera is the name of his libertarian state as well.
Absolutely.
Oh my god.
This is the best- I'm a deliberanian.
And it also, it also, not only is it like the root of, is part of this lib, you know, the root of liberty, but also deliberate and contemplate.
Use logic.
Wow.
Welcoming in the discourse.
Deliber us from evil, Paul.
Paul says, Discrimination is illegal.
Racism is not illegal.
If you look up the two words in the dictionary, they are pretty much synonymous.
In the eyes of the society, racism is a thought.
As an example, I can think you are racist if you use a certain word.
This is unfortunate.
This is, this is kind of a bummer.
What's that word, Paul?
What word are you talking about?
Yeah, what is that word?
What word's this word that you can just use and then automatically, somebody automatically assumes you're racist?
Sounds weird.
Sounds like a weird word.
Apparently it's the word liberty.
You got to say liberty and then it's not. - That's racist.
Liberty.
I can't even do it.
Don't use a hard R in the liberty.
This is unfortunate.
We have allowed the person hearing a word to decide what someone else says is racist without an understanding of the person's intention.
Words have no meaning without intention.
So it gets better.
I'm just going to go through the whole thing.
We have collectively decided that words without the understanding of intention are racist.
The two defined words are defined as synonymous.
So he's talking about racism and discrimination.
The way they are currently being employed allows for the following definition.
Discrimination is an act.
It's a doingness.
And therefore, doingness is what they call actions in De Libera.
It's a doingness and therefore carries with it an intention.
Okay.
Racism is a thought.
I mean, saying something is an act.
Also.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Racism is a thought, and if we start to go down the path of not allowing people to say things regardless of their intention, we bang right into the argument regarding the First Amendment.
We cannot police thought and have a free society.
This article states, quote, When we hear someone espouse something against the ideology of liberty and freedom for all, we should respond to it.
I would add, we should respond with questions to understand intention.
Otherwise, we are simply in a self-defeating argument.
Which is funny, because if I were to see V. Paul, I would just be like, I have a question, like, what the fuck's your problem, man?
Like... I have a question, uh, why?
Why are you the way you are?
Why are you this way?
Why do you do this?
There's that whole thing, too, where it's like, hey, listen, I'm allowed to say anything I want.
And for you to respond is the problem.
Yeah, you have to ask me a series of questions to determine why I called you the N-word.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Don't judge a book by the things it says to your face.
Yeah, exactly.
Hey Paul, are you a victim of systematic brainwashing or are you harboring some sort of trauma?
What is this coming from?
Uh, hey, when you said like, um, you know, brown people are parasites, uh, they're takers, they're not, they don't contribute anything to society, um, seems a little racist.
And then Paul's like, uh, well, when you assume it makes an ass out of you and me, because what I said was not racist at all.
My intention was not racist.
Oh, okay.
Then carry on, Paul.
Carry on with your non-racism.
I could just see Paul very earnestly telling somebody, oh, you're thinking I'm a racist.
Well, whoever smelt it, dealt it.
Yeah, that's true.
Think about that one.
I mean, that's a common argument.
The real racists are the ones crying racism.
We've seen that comment for two years on this show.
But I like that you have to ask him a series of questions to determine whether or not he was racist.
Like, such as, are you racist?
And then when he says no, you're like, okay.
Thank you for answering my questions.
All right.
I'm satisfied.
Paul's just like hoping, I hope they ask me if I have a black friend.
Hope they ask if I have a black friend.
Hope they ask me if I would have sex with Tyra Banks.
Lori Sullivan Roy.
This is one of the top comments on here.
Sure.
Every time I come to this page, meaning the Libertarian Party page, I see people telling others they don't belong to the party.
So she's not talking about like other people in the comments who are like black people can't be in the party.
She's talking about the page itself saying we should denounce racism.
Every time I come to this page, I see people telling others they don't belong in the party.
And John Stokes replies, I'm okay with telling racists that.
And then Laurie Sullivan Roy replies, John Stokes, today it's people you deem as racist.
Tomorrow it's what?
People who don't believe in open borders?
People who are defenders of human life?
Libertarians are becoming as bad as the leftists with the demand for total groupthink.
And I love this comment because it illustrates like so much of what we talk about on the show and just what we as leftists have recognized, which is just that libertarianism, when people call themselves libertarians, it's just a because the Republican Party brand has been so severely damaged even before the Trump era, but especially during the Trump era.
And also, the right wing in this country has shifted even farther right towards fringe movements like the Libertarian Party, which, despite their protestations, are exceedingly welcome to anti-Semites, white nationalists, misogynists, etc., bigots of all stripes, because that counts as free speech.
It counts as freedom of thought, or whatever.
And doesn't actually represent people who truly believe in, like, individual freedom?
At all?
Which would normally qualify as, I don't know, movement across an arbitrary border?
Or the right to control your own reproductive system?
Yes.
Because if there is an actual right-wing Libertarian Party in this country, if you look at the Libertarian Party platform, which I haven't done, but I'm assuming they have to include the right to abortion.
And they also include the right to free movement of people, right?
You would think so.
Because even in this token gesture, they talk about a broken immigration system that criminalizes brown people disproportionately.
I don't know to what degree they want an immigration system, but libertarians are notorious for being okay with an undocumented uh worker system because it allows it's a it's a quote voluntary exchange of labor and uh wage between the employer and the undocumented person never mind that that undocumented person is subjected to um
A lot more leverage than the employer has and is not necessarily volunteering with no outside forces pressing in on them, their labor for an extremely low wage or whatever.
But like the Koch brothers, they would call themselves libertarians and that's why they're for things like immigration reform or for decriminalizing border crossing and stuff like that.
It's so that these people can continue to be exploited like they already are.
Yeah, they just see cheap labor.
That's all they see.
Anyway, that was a long way of saying that Lori Sullivan is just a racist.
She just joined the Libertarian Party to be racist because she doesn't believe in abortion rights and she doesn't believe in decriminalizing border crossing.
Today it's people you deem as racist.
Tomorrow it's what?
People who don't believe in open borders?
People who are defenders of human life?
That 100% means unborn lives.
That's what that means.
Yeah, absolutely.
And Lori Sullivan didn't join the Libertarian Party for bodily autonomy.
She joined the Libertarian Party because she's an extreme racist.
Exactly, yeah.
And it's a way to do that and there's some sort of like, thin facade.
Yeah, it's just, it's funny.
People just think libertarianism sounds cooler than republicanism, so they join it with the same rotten beliefs as conservatives.
But I don't know why you would think being a libertarian sounds cooler than being a conservative or a republican.
They're both pretty bad.
Zachary Morgan, this is a good take here.
Zachary Morgan says, in response to this post from the Libertarian Party, A response to the citation of the 13th Amendment, right?
Which is the amendment that outlawed slavery, at least in one form.
Shifted it over to the prison system, as we all know.
But that's what Zachary Morgan is replying to.
Ah yes, the original instance that allowed the Fed to trample on states' rights to choose.
Doesn't make much sense to celebrate the Fed rewriting the Constitution on a whim, which completely abolished the state's right to choose something in this instance, but opposed it when it comes to the Second Amendment or other federal overreach.
Slavery would have died with the Industrial Revolution.
Racism is becoming less and less pronounced and in the open over time.
I don't know what that means.
It's dying.
The Fed didn't have to force that to happen, just like they don't have to force anything else.
And then he goes on to say, reply, people were like, sounds like he likes slavery, dude.
Sounds like he thinks slavery is good.
And he said, who is saying slavery is okay?
And the original constitution, pre-civil war, merely allowed states the option for slavery.
So, the good thing about the Constitution is it didn't force any state to adopt slavery.
It allowed states to choose whether they would enslave people.
Gave them the choice.
It gave them the freedom to choose whether they would enslave people or not.
My favorite part about this is that he's really convinced that slavery would have just gone away with the Industrial Revolution as if they weren't just like slaves working in factories in addition to the fields.
I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.
Is he talking about the fucking cotton gin?
Yeah, people who think the cotton gin is what was going to end slavery.
Like, no, fuck off.
These idiots.
It would have meant you could buy less slaves.
You could run your plantation with less slaves and sell off or kill the remaining slaves.
And the best part is it would have also meant that they would have been using slaves in factories and then Zachary's ancestors would have had a hard time finding a job too.
Yeah.
Uh, this comment is incredible.
Uh, just, ah, ah, yes.
The original instance that allowed the Fed to trample on states' rights.
Trample.
On a whim.
They just did it on a whim.
Like, even if the Industrial Revolution would have, like, naturally dissolved slavery, which of course it wouldn't, how is it okay to wait for that to happen?
How is it okay to continue enslaving people because, oh, it'll figure itself out naturally?
You have to let people choose to abolish slavery.
It's so insane.
Like just the idea to be a quote libertarian to be for the personal liberty of the individual and to think that that means that states have the right to choose whether to enslave people and own people as property.
Insane.
Insane, disgusting person.
People get to have the choice to own slaves, but slaves at no point will ever have the option to be slaves.
Yeah.
That's not a factor for this argument.
It's just completely absurd.
It's so stupid.
Like, honestly, fuck you Zachary, I wish the worst things upon you.
But I mean, in like, I don't know, in fucking Ancapistan or whatever, you know, whatever is like slightly to the right of the Libertarian Party, they would totally agree to like, Selling yourself into bondage as a voluntary contract.
Oh yes, I agree to work your plantation in exchange for food and housing.
As long as you quote, agree to that, then it's fine.
then it doesn't violate the non-aggression principle.
Because nobody coerced anybody into working for the basic needs for sustenance, for living, for housing.
You just did it voluntarily because otherwise you would have died on your own.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's as absurd as this argument sounds about slavery somehow being like...
Somehow being compatible with libertarianism.
It's actually not that absurd.
It's something that... I mean, fucking... What's his name?
Rothbard?
The founder of anarcho-capitalism, yeah, said that your children are your property and you can do with them what you will, including sell them into slavery or prostitution or whatever.
Like, that's a tenet of anarcho-capitalism, which is just an extension of the libertarianism.
Yeah.
Okay, last comment here.
Jello Mac says, uh, response to the Libertarian Party, uh, their post.
Yeah, and once the party finally actually finds itself in office, we should make all manner of laws banning racism and uncomfortable ideas and speech.
Dot dot dot dot dot.
Oh, wait.
And I would be inclined to think that this, oh wait, is like a sarcastic reference to the idea that the Libertarian Party will never be in power.
But actually it's a sarcastic reference to the idea that Libertarians would make any sort of rules, any sort of laws or regulation that would outlaw like interpersonal exchanges of ideas or commerce or whatever.
Yeah.
Elliot Travis responds, in no way does this post imply that anything like this should be done.
So, nowhere in the post did the Libertarian Party call for like actually any meaningful legislation or collective action to combat racism, which to be fair is true.
No, their idea of combating racism is to say in a Facebook post that racism is bad.
And continue to allow racists to run roughshod over the communities they despise.
Racism and nationalism are forms of collectivism.
They can feel free to spout their delusional nonsense, and we will feel free to ignore them or ostracize them.
And the Libertarian Party responds, Elliot nails it.
Jesus.
So today I learned that racism and nationalism are forms of collectivism.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know how racism is about bringing everybody together in a collective?
Except those other people.
Everybody, they don't mean everybody.
You know how nationalism is about bringing everybody together except those other people?
Except those other ones?
The ones not wearing like the birth uniform?
Amazing.
I love this delusion.
No, no.
And plenty of the responses were like, what about the Democratic Party?
They're the party that's the most racist.
It's like, okay, all right.
No one's telling them to stop being racist.
Why don't you go tell them to stop being racist?
Yeah, why doesn't the Libertarian Party tell the Democratic Party to not be racist?
And the best part is the Libertarian Party telling on themselves by saying, yep, Elliot nailed it.
Elliot gets it.
Racism and nationalism are forms of collectivism.
It's like literally the opposite of that.
Yep, exactly.
It's exclusionary.
Yes, it's based on exclusionary, based on exclusionist policies.
And then also I like this, they can feel free to spout their delusional nonsense and we will feel free to ignore them.
And yeah, that's what the Libertarian Party is in terms of like race relations, just ignoring them.
Just ignore them.
Just gonna ignore it.
I know that it's most of you in here, but we're just not gonna acknowledge it.
Yeah, you know how when you ignore something it just goes away.
True.
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