David DuByne warns that destroying the Strait of Hormuz and Saudi Arabia's Yamal pipeline will sever global energy, fertilizer, and fuel supplies, triggering an engineered famine. This collapse aims to reduce humanity from 8 billion to 2.8 billion by forcing a regression to WWII-era production levels while governments implement digital rationing via CBDCs. Ultimately, the discussion suggests these conflicts are a cover for depopulation goals, urging listeners to prepare survival kits against impending societal regression and resource scarcity. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome everyone to this audio-only podcast interview.
And today I'm joined by David Dubine from ADAPT 2030 and Civilizational Cycle podcast.
Welcome, David.
It's great to have you on today.
Yeah, thank you.
So changes in the world are so swift right now.
You know, it's almost like we're living through COVID 2.0 in the same way that everything's copy-pasting so fast at lightning speed this time.
Yeah, isn't it?
In fact, that's a lot of what we're going to talk about today is some of the incoming impacts, especially supply chains and energy and so on.
And you, are you okay to share where you are right now?
Oh, absolutely.
I'm over.
What city?
Yeah, I'm in Taipei in Taiwan.
So originally when I first arrived a few days back, the NR news back in America was saying, oh, this place is falling apart.
There's fuel rationing.
There's shortages.
Look at the lines.
I came here and business was as usual.
There wasn't a single line, a single, it's as if you dropped into a normal everyday, you know, compared to what would be going on with the fuel.
So what you're seeing in America, please be discerning with the news.
They're trying to sell you fear when in actuality, you know, this country is operating just fine as if nothing has happened.
There's been not even a single talk of anybody doing anything with fuel rationing or doing anything at all to, it's just live your life as normal.
And I just can't believe the opposite of what we're seeing in the American news for everywhere.
Okay, but hold on.
I got to maybe answer that a little bit.
Rationing has been declared in South Korea, rationing in Thailand or shortages of diesel fuel in Thailand, rationing in India, etc.
And as you and I both know, the mainstream people of Taiwan, just like mainstream people in America, they are oblivious to how much fuel is in the pipeline.
And they don't have that much natural gas remaining for their energy grid.
So isn't it true that even though things may look calm right now, that they're actually facing quite a very rough ride if they don't get more fuel?
Yeah, that would be the same with every country on the planet.
Now, this is all deciding or hinging on Russian gasoline deliveries, which Russian gasoline deliveries are the number one for Taiwan.
That just got banned by Russia.
Yeah, but there is some talk of a backtable trade deal here to continue to supply gasoline to certain nations.
Not everybody, not a wholesale stoppage, but at least some deliveries to some nations that are on Russia's preferential treatment list for specific products, whether it be diesel or whether it be A1 jet fuel or whether it be gasoline and what kind of blends are in the gasoline.
It's very murky when they say gasoline because you and I know how many types of gasoline there are with the ethanol blends from E20, E15, the different octane ratings on that.
So when they just say gasoline, again, if you want those out there listening, the research needs to go deeper than just one category of fuel.
But why would Russia export to Taiwan given that Taiwan is a strong ally of the United States and Taiwan is a strategic enemy of, in essence, of mainland China, which is an ally of Russia?
Yeah, you tell me the geopolitical map and the, I guess, layering within that goes deeper.
I don't have the answer for you.
I really don't.
I'm just trying to put together what the Russian media is saying out of TAS and then what some trade agreements here are talking about.
You know, if you're looking into the economic and business news, you can find some of this trickling through now.
But if you just go to regulars, I say Taipei Times and you jump on the front page, it's still some Korean groups down here having a concert, you know, that kind of stuff.
Otherwise, you know, you have to dig out for the research true.
But as I know, the Taipei Times, for example, is that's kind of like the CNN of Taiwan.
And they are not known for telling the truth about anything that is controversial.
It's run by either the CIA and sometimes influence from mainland China, a lot of influence from mainland China.
So I don't consider Taiwan's domestic press, and I'm, you know, I have some familiarity, to be credible on anything about, you know, what's actually coming.
I think the Taiwan people are oblivious, just like the American people are oblivious to, or, you know, the people of Japan are also, you know, I'm talking about mainstream people.
They're oblivious to what's happening.
And what I want to get from you is your assessment of what it means if the Strait of Hormuz stays closed and these fuel deliveries remain extremely scarce.
What's that going to look like?
Yeah, in time it will play out because I was tracing the fuel supply chain from Taiwan and it does flow through Malaysia and through Singapore.
As in, Singapore delivers 9% of gasoline and diesel back to Taiwan.
But at the same time, Russia had stopped those deliveries to Malaysia and they stopped the deliveries over to Singapore.
And at that itself, that's like 16% of the total deliveries that are inbound.
Which, you know, I look at this whole supply chain thing, Mike, and I'm like, I mean, you're telling me Russia sends gasoline down to Malaysia and to Singapore and they just basically rebox it and then send it back to Taiwan in some sort of maniacal trade deal when everything could come directly here.
You know what I mean?
So you look at all these other things.
Yeah, that would be just political, right?
Yeah.
And Abu Dhabi was one of the main exporters, about 15%.
So that's at zero.
And, you know, as long as this Russian gasoline keeps getting delivered, there'll be some pullbacks.
But you know, as well as I, the Cohesive Society will do what is asked.
You know, maybe they won't drive and it'll just go to 100%.
Everybody, you know, use public transport.
And that would be an easy one.
People would obey that and be like, okay, yeah, sure, that's awesome, man.
We can work like that.
But, you know, in our divided society, that just won't.
It'd be like, give me mine comparatively.
So I'm here to live the shortages.
I'm here to dive into the deep end and really see what is happening and how this manifests because it'll manifest out here, just like COVID.
It happened in Asia first.
And although, you know, it's not going to come here, it won't affect us.
We're energy producers.
And then, you know, it did.
We got the best.
Remember back in the COVID day where they were saying, oh, it's never going to affect America.
We got the best medical system on the planet.
And it just steamrolled through everywhere on purpose, of course.
Right.
Well, it looks like, I mean, I think you're going to be in it because the new law signed by, well, announced by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak, okay, that goes into effect April 1st says that all gasoline exports are banned out of Russia to the whole world.
So there won't be any gas going to Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, anybody.
And that starts, you know, what, in two days.
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And what overlaps with that?
And what overlaps with that is the last deliveries of the tankers that had left the Strait of Hormuz at that time that are finally arriving and unloading in Asia.
That's the last ones.
There's no more.
Like once the ones that are here or very close to reaching port or import at that point, that's it.
There's no more.
Right.
And what we know is that people everywhere, whether they're Taiwanese or American, they don't prepare and then they panic at the last minute when the supply is gone.
So I wouldn't expect very many people to be preppers in Taiwan.
You know, Taiwan, I mean, you and I both know Taiwan culture quite well.
It's not a prepper culture.
I don't think I ever met a single prepper in Taiwan, ever.
You know what I mean?
Except myself buying food here and putting some in the drill.
It's just like you don't run into preppers anywhere in my experience in Taiwan.
I mean, there are some farmers out on the east coast, et cetera, but it's not, you know, the vast majority of the population live, obviously, in the cities, and they don't prep.
They depend on the system.
Yeah, that's going to be a great case study to see how this system here handles the fuel shortages when they arrive and how quickly they arrive, how quickly government's going to remove taxes.
They had a fuel supply rise out here, or actually a price increase, but the government absorbed about half of that.
So 15% went up just a few days back, and government took some taxes away and absorbed about half of that 15%.
Otherwise, it would have been a 30% increase in fuel.
So that was the first measure.
Obviously, the fishing fleets are still going out, so there's been no disruption like Thailand and the Dutch.
And, you know, allow me to, I had some information ready to throw offhand here.
I was following the fishing fleets because I think it's incredibly important to know that our protein sources from the oceans, you know, again, but that checks the 2030 goals at the end, doesn't it?
Like you're going to only eat farm-raised fish and aquacultured fish.
The ocean's got to be left alone from harvesting.
So this checks another box of the end of the decade goals there.
So it does.
Yeah, Thailand, half their fishing fleet's not going out.
United States, the shrimping fleet is now being affected.
So Gulf Shrimp, those of you who love shrimp, price is going up.
Netherlands, almost all their fishing fleet is in because their fuel cost went from $13,000 to $35,000 just in a matter of a couple of days.
So most of their fleet's inside.
The UK and Gersey, the Channel Islands, local fishermen, they're not going out.
Bangladesh.
Philippines, Australia, fishing fleets, they're already getting hit by diesel shortages anyway.
And then India.
Yes.
So think about the imports of whatever nation you're listening to this from.
Are you getting fish from any of these countries?
Because if you are, there's going to be a fish shortage.
I can't even believe this.
I'm saying this.
Fish is off the plate.
Yeah, well, I bet the fish in the ocean are, though, they're going to have a nice recovery because of all the overfishing that's been taking place.
So like maybe not fishing for a year would actually make the ocean much healthier, but you're right.
Humans are not going to have much in the way of the normal ocean fish that they get or shrimp or lobster or what have you.
Yeah, because I remember in COVID, I think it was, I forget what news station, but it was a big headline there for a while with all the videos where huge amounts of deer and huge amounts of wildlife were coming back in the cities because people weren't driving and business as usual stopped and there was hardly anybody on the roads.
Everybody's locked in their house.
So nature kind of came back into the neighborhoods and thing.
Remember that?
I'm just wondering how it'll be with the oceans recovering and such things.
Yeah, well, that's a good question because global fuel shortages would impact lots and lots of things, including transportation domestically, air transportation.
I think, well, I'd love to know your guess, but I think in Australia, the airlines are going to have to start grounding their planes from lack of fuel.
That's probably coming.
I mean, do you get any sense or any information there about what this would mean for transportation?
And let me add, you know, Taiwan has a wonderful, you know, monorail system that connects the cities.
It's very convenient, but that kind of system doesn't exist in.
you know, Australia, right?
Or many other countries.
So Taiwan could get by better.
So could Tokyo, right?
In terms of a loss of personal transportation.
But that's not true everywhere.
So what are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, the grounding of the flights, again, that is a 2030 goal specifically stated.
You are going to fly once a year, and that is it from this point forward.
So end of the decade goal check.
That's two already.
We've checked in the boxes.
You're going to let the oceans recover.
You're going to eat farm-raised fish and like lab-grown meat.
And remember, that's what the whole plan of this was at the end of the decade, 2030.
You're not going to fly either.
And then here we are.
The Philippines was saying very much the same thing, Mike, that you, as a long-haul carrier, need to bring your return fuel source with you on the plane, or we can't refuel you.
Right now, in the Philippines, they're like, we can't refuel you.
So Australia is going to be at the very same thing.
So two countries are already saying we can't refuel to fly back.
You only can bring enough fuel.
So what's the limitation on a Trans-Pacific on that?
There's not.
There's no Trans-Pacific return haul your own fuel back.
This would be more inter-Asia.
So we're already at that point, at least two nations.
And Australia is a long way from everywhere.
So considering where they're in Australia and they're starting to widths of the same, yeah, bring your own fuel for the return.
That's going to be very limiting in terms of, you know, we're going back to like Amelia Earhart days where every fuel stop's going to be very short between something like this.
You know, we're just, I feel we're rewinding the clock back into the 1930s on, I hope the trade deals do such a thing too, because I can't believe in America, we got all these refineries, we got the biggest energy production in the world, yet our diesel price went up 41% since the beginning of this conflict.
We don't even get energy from there.
So this something has to be redone with the way fuels produced from the ground in terms of oil or natural gas.
The way it's refined and the way it's delivered has to come really regional again.
I can't believe we destroyed so much of our infrastructure on this green madness over the last 20 years.
I mean, at least here, they can turn back on the thermal plants again.
Thailand's, you know, they had two thermal plants mothballed and they're going to, you know, they're bringing those back up, but it takes about 30 days to get them back online.
But in Australia, they actually dynamited them and took them to the ground and hauled away all the metal as scrap.
They don't even have the choice to backstop to even fire them back up again.
They're gone.
They're gone.
Same in Germany.
They're gone.
So then what?
Yeah, then what?
I mean, I'd like your analysis because everything coming out of the White House right now about the Strait of Hormuz is just flat out lies, just delusion, fantasy.
Claims that, oh, we're going to control the strait and Trump is going to call it the Strait of Trump.
I don't think that's credible at all.
I don't think it's possible for the U.S. to alter the laws of geography and suddenly control the Strait of Hormuz.
And if that's the case, then this could be closed for the rest of the year and longer, even multiple years.
So what, you know, how does the world function without all that energy that comes out of the Gulf?
And, you know, the ammonia, I mean, the fertilizer with the urea, with the gas turned into ammonia, et cetera, the helium, the sulfur, the sulfuric acid, the oil and the natural gas, all that.
How does the world function?
Yeah, you know, game that one out, everybody, in your mind for a second.
The first thing, next thing is going to go down is plastics.
Like, they're turning down the plants out here to minimum production throughput just to try to stretch what they have for supplies coming into the factories out here.
So, just in a very basic sense, like plastics are starting to dwindle, but not to zero.
That's their first backstop is.
All right, we're not going to go with full production.
We're going to just keep the minimum throughput to keep this facility open, whatever it is.
It could be blow-mold injection, whatever.
There's going to be a slowdown in plastics.
But the way our world is so reliant on plastics for packaging, it's just even to wonder how our foods are going to get packaged and delivered on that last mile to the stores.
You know, that's a bottleneck in itself to think about.
And then the economy, you know, it would not surprise me if the stock markets went down 80 or 90%.
I mean, the economic activity is going to be almost nil going through this process here.
And, you know, the helium, that's all about the computer electronics and, you know, semiconductor production here, like TSMC.
They're going to start slowing down production, although they have months and months of backstop of their own and they recycle helium and all these.
But there's a fair few others like Intel would take a hit, Micron Technologies, Samsung.
They don't have the vast resources as TSMC does to get everything.
So you're just going to start to look for all these things in your life that you take for granted start to dry up.
Now, working and going to work, everything's going to have to go online.
But there's only some things that can go online.
Like you can't have a plumber go online.
You can't have a factory worker go online.
You know, perhaps some of that could be done and maybe they'll retool something where it's more computer oriented through the factories, but the whole AI was taking away jobs anyway.
This is just the nail in the coffin to take away the rest of the jobs, keep people at home, and again, introduce UBI, which is everybody was kind of wondering, like, how are they going to get people to accept UBI and digital rationing cards without putting up a big fuss?
Well, here's your answer.
It's delivered on a golden platter.
And you have to wonder if this whole thing was planned through, again, the 2030 goals, end of the decade, as this is like the one last package to drag everybody across the finish line that didn't go quietly during the COVID era.
You know, because there's too many things that are lining up for all this.
And these disruptions you're talking about, these are permanent.
You know, you look at some of these plants and storage facilities, pipelines, you know, loading ports.
It's destroyed.
Like it'll take five years plus to bring it back online again.
This is a permanent disruption in many ways and forms.
Not going to just, just because it's straight opens again, like there's so much destruction of energy and energy delivery systems.
And like you say, different things that take natural gas, put it into those precursors to then take it on somewhere else in the production because there was no NIMBYs in the Middle East.
Everything's over there, just as China.
The production's there.
No NIMBYs in the Middle East and no NIMBYs in the desert.
It's all there, all the production.
So, you know, take away 30% of the world's fertilizer.
We're going to have the food disruption.
Things are going to get expensive on the food side.
Even if they've already blown all of this up, like put it in your mind, people out there listening.
They have destroyed this infrastructure.
It does no longer exist.
We're going to have to rebuild it if they ever do.
And, you know, I think the world's going to adjust to this as it is.
And I just think there'll be less people around.
Okay, so that's a key question I wanted to ask you.
You mentioned, in some cases, maybe five years of a rebuild time.
And I've seen estimates that if all the LNG infrastructure is destroyed belonging to Qatar Energy, that that rebuild time would be 10 to 15 years.
But we're not there yet.
It hasn't been completely destroyed yet.
It's only been partially destroyed.
And they've said they have a three to five year rebuild time for the two trains that have been destroyed.
But in your view, you just mentioned there will be fewer people around.
If there's a five-year rebuild time and then we suffer energy and fertilizer and food scarcity for five years, what does that look like?
I mean, just mass famine, civil unrest.
What happens during that time while we're trying to rebuild the system?
Well, the first steps are going to be, at least in this, now, if you're in country, whatever, Egypt has ordered energy saving measures, and all stores and restaurants need to close by 9 p.m.
All right, so this is going to be the first thing.
We're going to do like a COVID 2.0 again here on these lockdowns.
There'll be energy lockdown, but it's going to come really fast because we've already been trained.
So when they say stores close by 9, because remember, there's no 24-hour stores anymore.
Remember back before COVID, like Walmart would be open 24 hours.
Some supermarkets like Kroger would be open 24.
There was a lot of things that were 24 hours that you could always go in at any time and get.
After COVID, nothing was 24 hours after that.
Nothing.
Everything had specific, you know, maybe 12-hour windows of being open.
Now, they're even shrinking those again.
Now, if you can't drive to go get it, the next thing would be you're going to be able to drive one or two days a week, depending on your license plate.
And then these store closures, there's been some, you know, theoretical analysis on how they're going to work on this.
Well, these store hours are going to shrink, and then the days being open are going to shrink because getting the workers in there on ration days on license plates, they're going to have to overlap these.
And you're just going to hope that your day to drive overlaps on a day that supermarkets are open.
I would say just think pioneering lifestyle.
Go back to the bulk goods.
Those are the things that are going to be available because the plastics are getting, well, they're going to get more and more and more restricted until they just have to shut the plants.
They won't have enough throughput.
And those take months to come back on again, even if they unsnarl everything.
So the plastics for the food itself is something you're not considering.
We're going to have to go back to bulk for a lot of things.
And then you're going to have to start thinking about 1860s lifestyle and how do you prepare all this from home cooking because that thing in the bag is not coming.
It'll be very, I'd say, hard to come by these thin plastics that we use.
And you can't just repackage something in a month.
That takes years to plan this packaging alone for different products.
So maybe they'll stop the shrinkflation where they give you something that has, you know, you look inside and it looks like a big bag and you get in the bottom and it's, you know, only 20% of the bags full of a product.
And maybe they'll actually do it where it actually shrinks down to the size of the product.
You'd get five bags of that if they were realistic instead of trying to hide the shrinkflation in a big bag.
But as you walk through this, just think digital rationing card, things are going to get more expensive.
You're going to have to rethink on how you cook and how you procure your foods.
And I think it's going to gravitate toward bulk for sure.
That's the only way it can be because the world, again, as we knew in 2015, 16, after COVID, is like a distant memory.
So the post-COVID world, as we go through this set of fuel shortages, will be just a distant memory at the end as well.
So things are going to change drastically and people will fight.
And some people will just check out on their own because it's too much to deal with.
I would just say understand that the changes are here and just adapt to the changes as they come.
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Don't bitch gripe and complain.
Just it's here.
Things are going to change.
Just roll with the changes.
And I think you'll be way better off.
You're like, all right, this is the way it is now.
Okay, great.
I'm not going to try to fight and hold on to that old world or the old way it was.
I'm just going to quickly snap my fingers and adapt.
Okay, well, things are open on Tuesday.
Great.
Let's readjust everything to get ready for Tuesday.
Instead of shut battle, I'm like that.
You know, just cut those things off and just move to the next step.
You know, those are the people I think we're going to do best.
Okay.
Well, what if the stores are open on Tuesday, but the shelves are empty?
That would be a great to say that you should have been growing some of your own food and had at least a double triple backup plan with your neighbors, your families, knowing your farmers, raising some of your own proteins.
I like bantam chickens myself.
You know, we still have the homestead just out here and then can swing back to that as well.
So if you have land and you have to be able to grow food and you have these plans in place and you know people, at least you could alleviate some of that.
You know, getting that meat source is going to be a huge and also having those oil stockpiled.
You know better than I how your brain can you run through it for a second?
Like, how does your brain function disrupted without proteins and oils?
That's a big one too.
Like if you're just stocking veg and you're going to grow veg, you're kind of missing the point of it, you know.
Well, yeah, just calorie restriction actually strongly takes away from cognition.
And people's personalities change dramatically after about two weeks of no food.
What happens is the higher level human cognition functions fade away and they become more animalistic.
And what you see across the board is a dropping of societal norms, morals, and values.
And instead, the lower brainstem, reptilian type of function, you know, kill, steal, survive, eat.
You know, that's what happens in societies.
And you get into about 45 days of no food.
Then those traits come out extremely strongly.
And then your society is collapsing at that point.
I mean, people start dying after three weeks of no food.
And then after six weeks of no food, people just start mass killing each other and cannibalism.
They start eating babies.
You know, it's like full-blown Epstein files, you know, but everywhere.
So that's what happens when you have no food for an extended period of time.
Cannibalism is an obvious, I mean, that's been documented throughout history.
When there's been famine, they start eating each other, clearly.
Yeah, so I'm wondering with an added amount of food where, let's say, calorie restriction, you lose half your food source.
Now, you still have food, but it's restricted in terms of what you used to be used to.
So, you know, walk me down that.
If you have half the calories you're used to functioning on, but you still do have food, like, would you accept some lab-grown meats at that point?
Would you accept lab-grown proteins to fill the belly?
I would say almost everybody would say yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
And they would accept, you know, cricket protein bars.
Yeah.
They would accept soybean green.
They were trying to force on them, and nobody rejected it.
But if you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything.
Absolutely.
If you're hungry enough, you'll eat grasshoppers.
And it's interesting.
See, you're in Taiwan right now.
And I know because I used to live there and I would talk to the old timers.
And back in post-World War II, it was a common thing in Taiwan for people to catch grasshoppers and pan-fry them in a wok with some seasoning.
And they would just eat grasshoppers.
It was a well-known source of protein.
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That'll probably happen again.
Well, the snails here, too.
There's these wild snails that are all over the place, super delicious.
If you go to the Rio Chao Dian, which is kind of this fun restaurant-type environment, they always have those snails that are so common around here as well.
I mean, there's natural food sources, but the carrying capacity here is a lot of people.
And would there be enough natural food source to carry?
No.
Yeah, that's where the imports are coming in.
And that's the thing is that every city that we can think of around the world, except perhaps not Russia.
You know, Russia would be well insulated against this, but most cities, especially Western cities, are highly vulnerable to food scarcity for that very reason that you mentioned because they, you know, they import so much food and you can't grow it locally.
I mean, I know people have talked about, well, we can have vertical farms inside these buildings.
Okay, great.
Build it because they don't exist.
You know, if it doesn't exist, it can't grow food.
I'm pretty sure it works like that.
So, you know, just talking about, oh, we can have vertical farms.
Yeah.
Yeah, good luck.
You can't eat your idea.
You actually have to have the food.
So the cities are screwed.
This is the way I see it.
That is, if the Strait of Hormuz stays closed for several more months, the cities are screwed.
What do you think?
Yeah, if that's the plan, it is going to stay closed because I'm looking at it more of this thing seems to be gamed out and planned for these disruptions.
Now, is the plan to keep it closed for a certain X amount of months?
What's the target on this?
You know, once the target's achieved, and I'm not talking about Trump's goals, I'm talking about this 2030 agenda goal here.
Like, how long would they really need to keep it closed to achieve these goals or get people moving to a completely different economy that's now digitized, where people will accept the biometric IDs to be able to eat and then also to get into the digital system to swap over?
Because the economy is, you know, four months more of Hormuz closure or six months more, then like the economy, as you understand it on the planet, won't be functioning.
At that point, it'll have to switch into something else.
And they already have the replacement for it.
I mean, if you look at the World Bank documents, the International Monetary Fund, and the Bank for International Settlements, the BIS websites, I mean, there's thousands of these, what they have already planned for this digital economy on how they're going to switch over and how, you know, this digital, all the different, you know, distributed ledger and liquidity, on-demand liquidity through XRP, through that whole, you know, ripple on-demand liquidity.
I mean, there's rails for payments and, you know, settlements, and everything has been all right.
And then they got regular money for the people and the stable coins.
Like there's an entirely different system ready to go at literally a push of a button.
But you can't having two parallel systems of money and movements of money on the planet, it just doesn't work.
You can, like, Highlander, there can be only one.
So this would be a great time to allow that to stay closed long enough to disrupt the economy long enough to introduce the new system.
Because just as a fact here, I pulled up this one.
Peak COVID lockdown led to 8 million barrels per day oil destruction for demand.
This one is double, twice as large.
So even everything that was done for a COVID-style lockdown and measures, work from home, all there, it's only going to be 50% effective.
They're going to have to regame this, rethink it for another 50% fuel savings off of this.
So even if you thought it was harsh wherever you were, because some areas were lighter than others in terms of the lockdowns of the COVID.
But this seems to be unanimously equal around the planet because we all use energy.
So the way you say, well, it's too hard, you know, like in Tennessee, we weren't that restricted in East Tennessee in terms of masks.
But I had some guys come out from New Mexico and visit me, and we were at a coffee shop down in my little tiny town, no mask or anything.
Like, I can't believe we'd be arrested for not wearing a mask.
You're around sitting out here in a coffee shop and you guys got no mask.
I can't even believe it.
You're right.
But other places were like, you don't have a mask, you go to jail or you get fined or whatever.
But so this is going to be twice as large as anything that occurred during COVID for disruptions of energy.
So then walk that through.
How do you get 50% extra savings of all those crazy things we did during that time?
Like, how do you squeeze another 50% out of the stone here?
Well, right.
But there's also, there's a really important difference here is that during COVID, it was demand destruction, not supply side destruction.
Yes.
And the supply side, we had so much energy that oil prices went negative.
Remember that, David?
Oil went to energy.
I wish I would have been a creator because I would have swooped up a bunch of those contracts going.
Yeah, but you had to take delivery of it, right?
So you had to have a way to store the oil, and very few people did.
So there was so much, there was an oil glut back then.
There was an energy glut.
And today, it's exactly the opposite.
And whereas back then you said there was about 8 million barrels of oil per day of demand destruction.
Today there's over 20 million barrels of oil a day of supply side destruction.
So, I mean, you're right.
It's more than twice as big, but it's far worse because it's supply side, which means that now there's a forced shutdown, not by decree, not by governments saying, you know, close your shop, right?
Or don't travel or stay home, you know, lockdowns.
But rather, there's forced lockdowns because the energy doesn't exist.
And forced shutdowns of industry, manufacturers, even in places like Taiwan, where you are, they won't have the energy to keep the factory open.
So that just sends everybody home in a way that's far worse than the pandemic.
You know, the energy doesn't exist, or at least doesn't exist here.
You know, it's stuck in the Persian Gulf.
So I don't think we've faced anything like this since the 1973, 74 oil embargo.
Yeah, or well, that was World War II rationing, but the infancy of what we have today in terms of a world, you can't really compare the two.
I mean, the interconnectivity and globalism.
But this one here, another thing that's going to happen for a lot of people first.
Now, I don't know if America will do this, but in Cambodia currently, the government's reducing import duties and taxes on petrol and diesel.
So they're removing every single tax off the fuel to keep it cheaper.
Problem is when they try to put the taxes back on, that's going to be very obvious how much you've been getting scammed off of everything.
Secondly, if Mike just rightly said, factories close, they send you home.
All goods are going to just stop.
So Walmarts will start to be very visible that there won't be things on the shelves because it just won't be manufactured.
So the first thing, obviously, there's going to be an order and a magnitude of importance of goods being manufactured.
Like TSMC on the chips, they're going to be prioritized.
And you could also say pretty much the main industries through all countries.
But ones that won't be prioritized are like plastic toys, right?
Christmas ornaments, these kind of things that are just making trinkets of junk to send across the ocean.
Yeah, buy two, save global warming.
That kind of stuff is going to be the first.
Yeah, right.
That's so crazy.
They always yaff about global warming, but around Christmas, buy two.
They're on sale.
You know, yeah, okay, whatever.
But think about that level of importance to keep military operating.
Obviously, the semiconductor chips are like right at the top.
Mining would be in there, refining.
Because a lot of these shortages, what I'm looking at here is some of the oil flows are still going in, but it seems like the government's taking most of it and stockpiling it, and they're just giving the crumbs to the serfs out here.
So I would say, just in what the research I've done, that it seems the governments are taking their lion's share out of it and stockpiling themselves to refill their strategic reserves.
And I don't care what country you're in, even in Cambodia, they are pulling fuel off to the side for their own militaries, police forces, and what is left they're giving to.
So, some of this, I wouldn't say, I hate to use the word artificial, but it is to an extent artificial where the amount of fuel coming in is not being 100% delivered to the public like it was previously.
There is a middleman for a better term that is now scurrying some of the fuel off to the side for their own needs in the future.
So, you know, how long will that be before the true shortages start?
And yeah, these factories that close, what's going to come off the shelf first?
And my big thing is plastics, plastics, plastics.
We can't package a lot of our food.
Our food delivery is dependent on that stuff being wrapped in plastic to get it to you.
Regardless of the price of diesel goes five times, 20 times higher, there will be a truck that will deliver it if the price point is high enough.
But for most people, it won't be.
It'll be out of their range.
So again, we swing back to the UBI.
Government's going to have to pay for a lot of people to live.
You know, you get into this circle and it all revolves around 2030.
And we're right back in this DNA strand moving again.
Every time you talk, it brings you straight back to the end of the decade goals.
Well, yeah, but you just mentioned universal basic income.
So if governments end up having to pay UBIs to the population that isn't working, and then also the government has to figure out how to provide food and electricity for the masses that are not working.
I mean, it seems obvious that sooner or later the government's going to say, well, we got to get rid of these people.
Otherwise, we become insolvent as a government entity.
Because, you know, look at the U.S. debt right now, $39 trillion.
If you start adding a trillion dollars a month, which is what it would take to put, you know, half the country on the UBI, then you end up in a currency collapse pretty quickly, hyperinflationary collapse.
So, right?
Yeah, unfortunately.
And then walk through the fertilizer wall with me for a second until we get to the feed chain fracture.
This is another one a lot of people are not seeing, but you know, the information's out there.
So we're getting this fertilizer, which you talked about with the ammonia and nitrogenous fertilizer.
We need a lot of natural gas to produce that.
Qatar is offline.
So we lost about 30% of ammonia and urea production.
So 30% of global fertilizer is gone.
It's not coming.
So you could think and do your own compost, but that's going to take a little bit of time.
You're going to about a year out.
But then we get to the feedstock wall because most of that fertilizer used, at least let's walk through American production, goes into either corn or something like this.
It's either produced in ethanol, a lot of it goes to animal feed.
Now, if that's not grown and we get, say, a 50% crop yield reduction, then the available animal feed is going to hit that wall too, which then leads to meat and dairy shortages, vanishing livestock herds.
And then there's going to be that sort of disruption.
Unless you've got a contract grow going on, the feed chain is going to fracture off of that.
But then again, it brings you back to the plastics.
Most of those meats, most of the foods we get are in some sort of plastics.
And then that last mile to get it there, the diesel price is going up.
Like everywhere you look, fertilizer is going to cost more.
Meat's going to cost more.
Packaging is going to cost more.
And the diesel to deliver is going to cost more.
So you tell me how everything is going to stay the same price for your daily life.
I just don't see it.
And Americans aren't going to be able to afford it.
Damn, they're like living paycheck to paycheck.
One paycheck will bankrupt the family if they miss one paycheck.
And you're looking at three or four things going up in price here.
At least that could just take everybody out that's on a paycheck to paycheck basis.
Yes, 60% of American families have no savings, paycheck to paycheck.
And that, yeah, that means just even a 25% increase in food costs makes them start to experience famine.
You know, they just can't buy food.
But I guess for a while they can shift to more basics, you know, buying bulk beans and rice and things like that on the shelves instead of ordering Uber Eats, right?
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Or restaurant food, which people tend to do a lot, even people who can't afford it.
But there's a limit even to that, right?
At some point, the scarcity is so great and the costs are so high that it seems like just the lower income masses end up starving.
I don't know any other way to say it.
I think we end up in a national crisis here of mass starvation with the government trying to tell us everything's great, that there are no lines, that no one's hungry because, you know, we just, we have a White House that just lies constantly.
I guess they all do.
But yeah, no one's hungry.
They're eating each other.
Is that going to be the new press conference from the White House?
Yeah, and I'm wondering the health implications too of this because during COVID, people switched over to fast food because it was cheaper than all the other foods.
And if you were locked on, you could get it delivered.
Like fast food, eating that much fast food continuously on your, the toll on your body, because I watched that movie Supersized Me and I was just, you know, just laid back on my chair after watching that going, no, that's a, what about people trying to save money?
Now the fast food's gotten quite expensive comparatively during the COVID days.
So if you're going to try to exist on something that's really, really, really cheap in the store, it's going to be 1,000% just chemical and, you know, manufactured GMO foods.
Like the toll on the human body, Mike, like you're, you're better equipped to answer that question.
But how long can you really eat those substandard foods before your body either shuts down or your mind behaves differently?
You know, you get into those personality changes.
I mean, can you walk me through that for a moment?
Well, I think the gist of your question is if people shift to cheaper food sources, what is the cumulative effect of the nutritional deficiencies and also processed calories?
And it's, yeah, it's severe, but I think we're already experiencing that.
You know, we have rampant obesity.
We have a rampant decline of cognition.
We have turbo cancers and widespread type 2 diabetes and heart disease, etc.
These are already the results of Americans living on processed foods.
I think that the real question is going to be when they can't even afford the processed foods.
And I guess at that point, obesity gives people a little bit of a buffer time.
Like, hey, my neighbor could eat or could not eat for three months and still be okay.
And that's actually true.
You know, obesity is stored calories.
So that gives obese people a little bit of an extended time to not die.
But it doesn't mean they're going to be in good health, obviously.
And, you know, suddenly fasting for 60 days for someone who's never fasted is a death sentence for a lot of people.
You know, especially if they have weak hearts and et cetera, right?
Bad nutrition.
So force fasting.
I bet you like Trump's religious advisor will say, we all have to fast now for Jesus or something, you know?
And then that'll be, oh, you're not supposed to eat for 30 days.
So some nonsense like that.
Cutting down to two meals a day.
Yeah, fasting too.
Like, if you're going to get into a fast, it's more of a mental game where you get yourself prepped and you're super excited about it.
All right, I'm going to go through.
I'm going to cleanse.
Like, you're getting your mind ready for it as well.
If you just were your normal days going along and then suddenly, whoom, you don't get food for three days, that's a very different type of mind frame than if you're preparing yourself with the proper hydration and getting ready.
And then, you know, you get those three days and you're really working through it to try to cleanse yourself.
Those are, you know, those are two different worlds to exist in.
It can be done.
But, you know, again, that trauma of going through that, just instantly hit with no food, not out of expectation versus expecting it and enjoying the experience and getting ready for it as a rite of passage, if you will.
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I just don't know how they're going to sell it to people.
Eat two meals a day and fast one day a week or two days a week.
You'll get through the food thing.
It's all good.
I just think coming up.
I don't know the timeline on it for America.
Each individual nation is going to have a different timeline hitting this same exact wall.
Right.
Well, and clearly, we'll have grocery store rationing the same way they did in Venezuela years ago, where you have to sign in with your biometrics in order to buy food, and then you're only allowed a certain amount of food.
And you might have to wait in an eight-hour line to be allowed into the grocery store to get your minimum or your quota of food.
So much rice, one chicken a month, whatever.
But that's going to be tied to your account, which is controlled by the government.
So effectively, it's kind of an enforced CBDC with food rationing, especially if that's free government money, like a UBI hybrid CBDC.
You know, it's like, here's your free money, but there's a purchase quota.
You can only buy so much stuff, and we're going to track you.
We're going to enforce it centrally.
So that's how they walk millions of people into a controlled wallet system is through famine.
Yeah, that's the greatest driver, isn't it?
Because I know in Thailand, they're putting license plate readers out at the petrol stations now.
So when you go through, you can get your supply, but you cannot return the same days.
And the license gets flagged into the system.
And they're putting out that if you're trying to cheat the system and go multiple times and bring your motorbike or your car through and then go home and siphon it off and then come back and continuously do this loop that you will be arrested for doing that.
So they're already on to it and using technologies to try to prevent other people from hoarding gas, even though it appears you're just going to get your quota of filling, that's it.
And then you return the next day, you're already on record as doing that.
So the technology is at that level where they're, you know, and we're talking about Thailand petrol stations.
They're already using advanced technology to make sure you don't go and continuously buy fuel and hoard it.
So we're already at that level anyway.
Right.
Thanks, Flock.
Exactly.
I said, oh, Flock.
Yeah, thanks, Flock cameras.
You're used worldwide.
So you can see how this technology.
Now, the only thing I might say that could be a godsend on this is if there is a helium disruption to the largest extent, then a lot of these semiconductor chips and things that make all of this apparatus move might be disrupted or pushed back a few years and give us a longer window before the implementation of everything, as well as some of the data center slowdown because of the materials inputs won't be there based on this disruption.
That's the only positive looking at this coming out that could be, I guess, if you're looking at it in a wider view here.
Interesting.
Well, I think maybe the other silver lining is that there will no longer be denial of the agenda.
As people are dying, hopefully they will realize that that was the plan the whole time, was to engineer a way to shut off the world's energy system.
In other words, see, I don't know about you, David, but I think that this war, you know, it doesn't make any rational sense because the Strait of Hormuz was open before Trump ordered the attack on Iran.
But the only way it makes rational sense is if they want global famine and mass depopulation.
You see what I mean?
Yeah, and destroying the infrastructure of that.
You know, to simply destroy it, not just close it, but to destroy everything that makes our world work out of that area is, you know, that's the final linchpin there, I think.
Right.
So if the war is the cover story for this, then there's no incentive for Trump to end the war.
He would want it to continue, but it just keeps telling the public that we're going to seize the strait and reopen the strait just to kind of string people along while the actual plan is to starve half of you to death or maybe more.
Yeah, if I could add one point.
Now, those of you who are surfing the news a little bit, now understand the disruptions currently are like around 17 to 20 million barrels, depending on what metric you're using.
The Yamal East-West pipeline in Saudi Arabia is currently at max, and they've verified 7 million barrels a day in Saudi Arabia now loading in the Red Sea from the Yamal pipeline.
If that were to be hit, that would be the absolute end of the economies of the planet because that 7 million barrels would go offline instantly.
The pipeline would have to be shut down, obviously, if it was destroyed in sections.
And if you hear anything in the news about the Yamal pipeline being destroyed, then that truly would be such a devastating moment for humanity that if it goes to that point and they take that out, then you know that's the plan truly to starve the planet because there will be not enough energy for even basic operation from almost everything.
That pipeline, that 7 million barrels a day is truly the lifeline coming out.
If that were to be destroyed, then, yeah, we're going to have to rethink a lot of things.
Yeah, yeah.
And we might have only 4 billion people left living on the planet by that time, is what I'm saying.
Yeah, I think the carrying capacity is a little bit lower than that.
I think it's probably around 2.8 billion.
If really, if you take it back and you look how the Industrial Revolution allowed us to ramp up to certain benchmarks that we hit in population, coal brought us some place, steam brought us others.
The oil finally was the trigger that brought it up from 1 billion and above.
It was oil.
Coal and all that other thing that was pre-Industrial Revolution or included in that timeframe when we switched over to using fossil fuels and being able to crack that and get in different distilutes and the gas and the diesel and that sort of thing.
That didn't occur until the early 1900s, really at a mass.
And then it really didn't get adopted and used widely until, say, the 1920s.
So then you start to take that benchmark of population and where did it go from 1920s to World War II?
And then kind of I'm right there at that, all right, that's truly where we would be sitting if we lose this much oil, roll it back to the World War II days of production.
And then, you know, you put there, and all right, it's around 2.8, 2.9 max, and that was it.
And then we grew from there.
And those other 8 billion people, those 5 billion people arrived in the last, you know, 100 years or less.
So if you're going to walk the clock back 90 years to World War II, then that's kind of where we would sit in population based on oil production from that era.
And the numbers would match up with what that would be if we start losing more out of the Middle East.
I know America could wrap it up, but they're not.
So something, there's a disconnect here of these countries that are supposedly having these vast oil reserves and they have the refineries, but they're still having shortages.
So there's huge disconnect in what's going on.
It's got to be a purposeful turndown or it just does half these things don't make sense anyway on how there can be massive shortages in all these producers with the refineries.
It's just, I don't, I just, I'm missing something.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But if you think about what's actually happening right now in the war, it's that, you know, Israel keeps bombing infrastructure in Iran, and then Iran responds by bombing, you know, permanently destroying energy infrastructure in the Gulf states, while the U.S. says we're not bombing, but Israel does.
And so Iran keeps retaliating.
Regardless of who might be assigned the blame for this, the net effect is that the energy infrastructure, the gas infrastructure, fertilizer infrastructure that feeds our planet is being destroyed, you know, essentially permanently or for years to come.
This dynamic, I don't see any off-ramp to this dynamic.
Do you?
I don't because it's just going to keep going this back and forth.
And taking out a desalinization plant just yesterday, you know, that in itself would cause migration out of the area.
So if you wanted to, you know, people that are working in these plants and in these oil industry in the Middle East, they're there because they have desalinization and they have food deliveries.
If you're even able to disrupt the water source enough to make it move, now look through history, how many remnants of great cities do we see in the deserts around the world?
They left because there was no water.
And if you wanted a population to leave, so the actual workforce would leave to even operate those facilities, you would just take away the water.
And there would be nobody there to operate the facilities even if they were not destroyed.
The only way they ever come back online again is if they bring a water source back in there.
So if you're going to game it out, you would remove the food and the water to allow all those millions of people to live in the desert in an area and an inhospitable location that they could not live with without that technology of desalinization.
So if the desal plants continue to get destroyed, the population will have to migrate out.
There will be no way for them to even live without water.
So then that adds another whole complexity.
Yeah, the plant maybe was partially destroyed.
There will be nobody there to repair it because they can't live there because there's no water.
You can only bring in so much water.
You know, water's heavy.
You know, they're trying to fly in emergency air deliveries into what was it, the UAE.
They're trying to bring in 180,000 pounds of food per flight.
And I'm just thinking, you guys are insane.
You know how vast the population, 180,000 pounds at a time?
And you're taking breaks because the runway is being bombed and Iran's going, okay, you can bring in two planes today.
I'm like, wait a minute, that's not even half a million pounds of food for Dubai.
And I think, oh, that math doesn't work on that.
Nor does the water.
No, it doesn't.
Airdrops aren't going to work in the long run, you know, for food deliveries.
Just like driving oil on the road also doesn't feed the world.
It's not possible.
You have to transport oil by ocean.
Right, the economics don't work, so you have to have, I mean, what I'm trying to get at here is that we've built, as a species, we've built an infrastructure that has allowed us to expand to 8 billion people with all these needs for desalination of water and artificial constructs called cities that import food and that import power, etc.
And this is all dependent on infrastructure that is now being just day by day obliterated.
This just seems like a suicide cult to me.
And I'm just curious, I mean, we're almost done with the interview here, but I'm just curious: like, what's your big takeaway from all of this?
What does this make you think about?
Well, I think there's a larger cycle in play.
You know, when you look at some of these rainfall patterns across the deserts in North Africa and the Middle East, there are substantially more rainfall.
So if you're looking back in terms of large cycles, I would put this one on a once in a 4,000-year cycle.
And I was talking with Michael Yon yesterday.
We were talking about different maps.
And, you know, even if you go back to the 1600s and you look at some of these maps, it shows desert where they are now are forests on the 1600, 1500s maps.
It shows green in the Gulf of Oman.
It shows green across swaths of Saudi Arabia.
It shows deserts in places like southern Egypt and southern Libya.
There were still deserts that are on the maps with waterways flowing.
So if you can get such a turnaround of the economy in just a few hundred years, perhaps they know there's a much larger cycle coming in that will disrupt the very world that we have anyway in terms of food production and locations that things and food and these sources of life can be produced on the planet to where an assessment is like it's unsalvageable anyway.
Let's just try to extract wealth, move it to areas on the planet that probably will survive and then we'll reset up.
And I am absolutely of the volition that North Africa is going to be a new grain-growing area.
They can tap all those sandstone aquifers beneath from the Seuss aquifer to the Nubian sandstone aquifer and then all the above-ground, you know, rainfall patterns are shifting.
So you're getting double rotation crops on lightly used soils.
The entire shift of a planet, but to try to explain that to people and say, hey, you know what?
We knew this thing was coming for about 50 years.
We didn't warn anybody, but we all want you to move to different locations because it's just not going to work the way the world's structured right now.
That's the 30,000-foot view.
I'm looking at this thing, that there's a much larger cycle impound here, and it's truly going to affect the world to that point of disruption of food production anyway.
That now there's a culpable excuse like, oh, well, the fertilizer failed.
No, it wasn't because the jet stream shift on a magnetic field depletion event that was causing that.
No, we didn't teach you to grow your own food.
No, it was because the Middle East fertilizer disruption.
Like something at this grand scale of monumental shifts on the map here that are occurring.
And that's kind of the way I'm assessing this whole thing.
It's a much larger cycle in In play that's driving most of this on a timeline.
Wow.
Wow.
Okay.
So we know that you're tracking this.
You're going to be reporting.
Tell our audience about your sites and your podcasts and your channels, etc.
Yeah, the Adapt 2030 channel.
This is going to be my main thing from now.
In addition to porting on some of the weather events, obviously.
Excuse me, Mike.
But I am going to be doing the fuel and the fertilizer reports out here for most of Asia because I scrape through the news every day, try to figure out what's going on, where the shortage is hitting, where they're not, what's still not disrupted, and then give a little timeline on it moving forward as, okay, well, it's anticipated that this might happen and this delivery dates because it's going to be hitting here first, and then it will move around the planet as just it did with COVID.
So it's going to be in certain locations that are going to be more greatly affected first.
See how that plays out, how it changes society, how the behavior patterns, food choices, this sort of thing.
I want to live in it while it's happening.
And then how is that going to sweep around the rest of the world?
Because that should give you an indication on how you can brace for impact, basically.
So that's it.
Adapt 2030 channel and the Civilization Cycle podcast every Thursday night, 10 p.m. to midnight, two-hour live show.
And I'll be putting up more podcast 30-minute shows as we move forward here to try to just show you or show people out there what's really happening beyond the news that you're being fed with this AI curation.
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Like what's really happening on the ground with a guy with two eyeballs looking at it compared to pretty images that AI is generating to try to get you to believe that there's more of this, that, or the other happening.
So what are the websites where people can find your channels?
The civilizationcycle.com, or you could just put in short civilizationcycle.com and oilseacrops.org.
That has the media player for the newest episodes of the podcast and also the YouTube channel.
Okay.
All right.
Well, David, thank you for your thoughts.
And, you know, I wish we had more positive news for the audience, but it just, it is what it is.
This is a global famine that's being engineered, it seems.
And there's no off-ramp to this at the moment.
Is there just anything you want to wrap up with here before we end the interview?
No, but also Brighteon as well.
I'm loading all the videos over there.
So, you know, anywhere I can get videos out.
Yeah, and I appreciate you having that up, censorship free, which I really like because sensors are down.
And just understand the deeper this thing goes, the more censorship there will be in terms of sharing information or not.
Because when it gets to a certain point, as in every single conflict across the planet that's happened in probably the last thousand years, information is going to be controlled.
So keep your eyes peeled for that.
And also just get ready to adapt to changes.
If you're going to get stuck in a certain way of thought or life, you're not going to really go through this too well.
You just have to be able to flow with the changes as they occur.
They could occur by the minute, by the hour, by the day, but just get ready for that because you know that's going to be part of this.
And that mind frame, it's going to be a central game too, you know, as much as a physical game.
So.
Well said.
Okay.
David Debine, everybody.
Thank you, David, for spending your time with us here.
And keep me posted on your adventures there in Taiwan.
Have a great trip to where are you headed to?
We're going to be going to Japan and then Indonesia after this.
Oh, so you're headed to the airport?
Well, not currently.
We're going to head down south set up.
I need to get my base set back up.
But then, yeah, I'm going to start traveling through these Asian nations as this is going on.
That's the whole point of it, to be able to truly see how difficult it is to get in and out of an airport, how easy it is.
Is there still the pricing structure available?
Can we get flights to go somewhere?
How easy is it to get trains?
Can we get transport itself?
I'm really get into the middle of the disruption and see what is going on and how easy or not it is to move around during these disruptions.
That's the whole point of it.
Great.
Yeah.
So are you going to Taichung today?
No, Kaojong.
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Oh, Kaohsiung.
Oh, okay.
Great.
Ah, beautiful, beautiful area.
I think you'll have, I mean, as you know, you're going to have a lot of fun.
Yeah, and then from there, we're going to head down to Indo.
We're going to try to not really stay in Jakarta, but get a little further out, central Java, and then move through some of the islands and then up to Japan as well.
We're going to start south and then see how easy it is to take trains and journey forward going north, probably up to Hokkaido, and then see how that transit of Japan is going to be during this time.
So those two countries are earmarked because Indonesia has oil reserves.
They have refineries.
Wonder what's going on down there.
Japan, more dependent on imports, 99%.
So that's going to be two different things to contend within itself there.
So we're going to get two different flavors of the same, you know, some.
So I'm just curious how it's going to play out.
So this is going to be my thing for the next couple of months is being out here and seeing how this unfolds.
Okay.
All right.
Well, have fun.
And again, thank you for all your time today.
And we'll talk again soon.
All right, Mike.
Thank you for having me on.
Bye for now.
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Yes, the world is getting crazy, but here at the Health Ranger store, we're putting together a survival supply assortment for you.
If you go to healthrangerstore.com/slash survival, you'll see what we put together for you, including iodine and iosat.
That's a specific brand name of potassium iodide that's FDA approved.
Or we have the nascent iodine here, which is less expensive in terms of the iodine that you get.
These are available in case things go nuclear.
It's clear that you will not be able to find any of this for sale anywhere.
All the inventories will be wiped out like what happened after Fukushima in 2011.
So if you want to get your hands on some iodine, this is a chance to get it right now.
HealthRangerStore.com/slash survival.
In addition, we have many other survival items for you here, including some silver solutions, some spirulina available in bulk and at a discount, and then a large assortment of storable organic food that's laboratory tested, including our Ranger bucket sets.
Here's a 195-day supply.
We've got the mini buckets, and we've also got number 10 cans available of freeze-dried fruits and vegetables and other things like miso soup powder.
Here's some of the buckets.
There's a big variety available.
Here are some of the number 10 cans right here.
Remember, a lot of people are missing fruit.
They don't have enough vitamin C in their storable food.
So, you know, getting bananas and pineapples and strawberries, especially, again, certified organic, freeze-dried.
That is the highest quality with the highest nutrient preservation that you can get in any kind of storable food format.
All of this is available right now and so much more.
Just go to healthrangerstore.com slash survival.
And because the freeze-dried foods last for so long, you know, even if you don't eat them this year or next year, just keep them on the shelf.
They're going to last a very long time with good preservation, a long shelf life, and they will have value no matter what happens in the world.
Now, of course, I'm praying for peace.
I'm praying for de-escalation.
I don't want to see World War III break out, and I certainly don't want it to go nuclear.
But we're dealing with insane times and insane leaders and insane situations.
Who knows what could happen tomorrow or next week?
Disruptions could happen here in the United States.
There could be, you know, domestic attacks that disrupt supply chains here in the U.S.
So stock up early, stock up now, get your emergency food, emergency medicine, iodine, anything else that you think that you might need.
Get it now.
And by doing so, by shopping with us, you'll be supporting our platforms and our AI engines that we offer for free.
That's funded in part by sales from our store.
So shop with us at healthrangerstore.com/slash survival and help yourself get prepared and also help us bring you more free tools and platforms that can keep you informed no matter what happens in the world.