Patrick Wood & Courtenay Turner: The Technocracy Takeover and the Final Betrayal
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AI in general is not about any type of research or information retrieval for the public.
It's never been about us.
It's always been about control of the population using this information.
Everything the government gets involved in becomes weaponized against us.
You know, if you're a good doobie and you go along with the system, then maybe you'll get a few tokens to play your next round on the game.
Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and now more recently known as an AI developer, which leads me to our topic today, which is technocracy.
And we are joined by the founder of Technocracy.news, Patrick Wood, as well as Courtney Turner, and her website.
We'll give that to you during the show.
And both of these guests have amazing insight and wisdom and some warnings for us about the technocracy takeover, where the powers that be want to centralize all technology into their own hands at our expense.
So welcome to the show, both of you, Patrick and Courtney.
It's an honor to have you on today.
My pleasure.
Yeah, thank you for having us.
Well, great to join you.
And Patrick, I got to say, I've been a fan of your work for a number of years.
And you want to just give us a quick intro to your website and what you focus on.
You know, I've been called the living expert on technocracy.
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm still alive and I'm still talking about technocracy for sure.
You know, I've been talking about it for 15, over 15 years at this point, and people are starting to listen to what I'm saying sincerely.
And with all the stuff going on this year, especially, it's in our face at this point.
And so I studied, I started studied, studied globalization in the 1970s with Professor Anthony Sutton.
We wrote the books called Trilaterals Over Washington, volumes one and two.
That started my journey.
They said at that point they were going to create a new international economic order.
Now we see what it is.
It's technocracy.
Technocracy is the only economic system, alternative economic system created from scratch in the entire history of our world.
So there's no other thing to look at other than technocracy.
There's other reasons as well to say that.
But nevertheless, what we have playing out right now before our eyes is the culmination of the new international economic order.
We call it technocracy.
Okay.
And I want to mention your website, technocracy.news.
I've got it up on my screen right now.
I really encourage our readers to check out that website.
And you've got a new book.
We'll talk about that coming up here called the Final Betrayal.
We'll get to that.
Courtney, I'm going to bring up your website, CourtneyTurner.com.
And people note the spelling of Courtenay.
It's spelled, if we were to say it phonetically, as Courtenay, N-A-Y.
So be mindful of that, CourtenayTurner.com.
And Courtney, we spoke a few months ago.
What brings you to this day joining Patrick Wood here?
What's your main concern?
Well, you know, I've been really hoping, not that I ever doubted Patrick, but I was really hoping he would just be wrong, you know.
Unfortunately.
Don't bet against Patrick Wood.
Yeah, right, right.
No, don't do that.
So, yeah, but we're just watching this unfold in real time.
And it was really interesting writing the book because it was like, as we're writing it, things are just flooding in.
I remember we're back and forth.
Like, wait, do we add this?
Do we add this?
Because we don't know where it's going to go, but they've just placed this executive order.
They have just, you know, set this bill.
So things are just moving at lightning speed.
And I am very concerned.
I feel like this is, you know, we keep hearing about the World Economic Forum and I've been talking about the AI World Society.
I know very few people even know what that is, but I've been screaming, like, you know, it feels like from the rooftops about this for the past several years.
It's the centennial vision for the UN to build an artificial world.
Artificial Intelligence World Society, where they say that you know, all human government will be supplanted by AI government and they're well underway in their plans.
You know they're in partnership with Boston Global Forum.
So right here in America they're teaming up with the UN for this plan.
And I?
There is this narrative that it's like out there it's a boogeyman, and of course we have not gotten out of the?
U. For all the rhetoric claiming that we would uh, but here it looks like now we're just handing it over to Silicon Valley and we're building the technique right here at home.
So uh yeah, i'm.
We need people to be aware of what's going on, because I know people keep talking about, like Democ, you know uh, communism and fascism, but meanwhile uh technocracy, those are here already.
It's technocracy that's going to take.
This is the critical point.
I mean, we don't live in a democracy.
We don't even really live in a constitutional republic right, what we do, we are living in a technocracy or an oligarchy, or whatever.
There's different names for it.
But but Patrick, to your point, I think the most important thing to open up this show with is the idea that this is not theoretical and this is not some distant warning in the future, that the Trump administration is deliberately putting steps in place actively, that is, rolling out this plan right now.
So Patrick, could you please speak to the things that have already been put in place right under our noses?
Wow well, it started.
It started with uh, the inauguration inauguration of the president, for one thing, that that has to happen.
But as soon as the ink was dry, all of a sudden Doge swept into Washington Dc and took over all of the agencies, the important agencies in Washington Dc.
Not to save money, not to increase efficiency.
Their purpose was to free the data from all the silos in Washington Dc, put him, putting them into the cloud so that they can be accumulated by companies like Palantir the, the mass surveillance company.
That's Peter Teal, by the way.
So that was the first step.
Doge has gone away, uh.
Since however, the teams that were uh, the Doge teams that were put into all these agencies there was at least four people on every team um, and it included a high-level tech guy and a lawyer and human resources person, etc.
These teams were organized in a way that they would persist even if Doge went away.
Now, Doge has been abandoned as a name at this point, but the teams are still there.
And the whole purpose in the first place was to free the data, free the data, put it in the cloud, accumulate it.
We've never had this in American history.
There's never been, well, let me put it this way.
Those silos of data were siloed on purpose in the first place.
They're supposed to be separate for peace sake.
Now it's all in one big bundle of wax, if you will, and it can be analyzed by AI programs like Palantir.
This is very, very disturbing for sure.
Then over time, President Trump has signed a number of executive orders that support the notion that AI is now going to be the centerpiece of American policy.
And I'll probably stop at this point and let Courtney chip in, chirp in rather.
And, you know, I want to emphasize nobody saw this coming at all before the election.
This was not a question of broken promises.
This is a question of open betrayal against the American people.
And I'm not just talking about MAGA.
I'm talking all Americans are being betrayed at this point.
Let me jump in here on that theme of betrayal, because I think that's the only accurate way to describe it.
Not only has Trump, you know, he's welcomed into the Oval Office some of the executives of companies that I consider to be the worst mass murderers on the planet, that is pharmaceutical companies, but then he brings in all the top big tech people who ran the censorship, who ran the deplatforming, who ran the COVID pandemic push.
These are also people who are complicit in the worst crimes against the American people, crimes that, according to many analysts, have killed at least one and a half million Americans.
And this whole plan of using big tech and big pharma and big government has now been put into the stratosphere by the Trump administration.
So Courtney, with that as context, take it from there.
What would you say?
Yeah, there's a lot to say there, but I absolutely agree.
I think, you know, as both of you said, a lot of people thought that Make America Great Again was going to be something like maybe a restoration of the Constitution, maybe get closer to returning to founding principle, restore some power to popular sovereignty.
And instead, it looks like what he did was hand the keys over Silicon Valley.
And I think, you know, as I was saying before, there was all this talk about how we were going to get out of the UN.
We were going to fight this globalism.
But instead, he's really building the technate here.
And when you talk about the companies that he's handing over this power to, what was one of the first things he did was this Operation Stargate, which by the way, I don't think is a coincidence when you think about the name Stargate.
I do think it was a nod to the CIA, Operation Stargate, and what were they doing?
You know, they were doing all sorts of remote viewing kind of experiments.
And this was right around that time when they released that Stanford Research Institute manuscript on changing images of man, changing man's consciousness, man's perception of himself.
And where do they say it would all go?
They basically said that perennialism was going to be the new religion, essentially the one world religion.
And they talk about they didn't use the term AI back then, but they were essentially saying it would be like this AI type god.
You know, again, they didn't use the word AI, but that's where they said that it was all steering.
So it looks like we're just seeing an extension of that.
And of course, we had all these narratives, like we were going to fight the CBDCs.
And instead, he basically did CBDCs under the name of Congress-backed digital currency instead of central-backed digital currency.
And now he's backdoored it.
He's basically, you know, put the CBDC back on the table anyway.
So JPMorgan, they're going to be able to launch their own coins backed by U.S. Treasury debt, which is worthless as far as I'm concerned.
Yes.
So we do have a chapter on how the whole regulatory infrastructure that he set up that we think is going to be leading towards tokenization.
And, you know, we just heard him talk about 6G, which he doesn't seem to really understand what 6G actually does.
But 6G makes that tokenization where that remote interface, remote human technological interface and control becomes really feasible, which is really terrifying.
The Internet of Things, wearables, everything monitored on you.
Now, so, so.
Oh, and the Maha-Maba thing also, because you had mentioned the pharmaceutical companies, right?
And RFK Jr. says that Maha is really MABA, Make America Biotech Accelerate.
And part of that is every person needs, every American needs to be having a wearable.
And this is part of the Internet of Wearables tied to the Internet of Things.
And I think it's data collection which will lead to the sensors that are all interconnected with 6G.
Now, so, okay, so all this leads me to this possible debate or at least a question to Patrick.
And feel free to disagree or have a counterpoint here.
But I think that, see, to me, it's not about AI or not AI.
It's about decentralized technology rather than centralized control.
So for example, you know, I've built an engine called Brightlearn.ai, and it allows people to create books that have a pro-human, pro-natural health, pro-liberty worldview.
And all those books are free of charge, you know, downloadable, et cetera.
And I believe in open source, here it is.
Here's a screenshot of it.
We have over 2,800 or 600 books right now that have been generated and 50,000 downloads.
So this is competing with sort of the gatekeeper books or the controlled system.
So this is sort of uncensored AI.
But, you know, our effort is tiny compared to the effort to centralize AI in the control of companies like OpenAI that is actually a closed box.
It should be called closed secret black box AI.
And that's who's getting all the money, the trillions of dollars in order to build systems that control us.
So Patrick, the question to you then is: does AI have a role in freedom and decentralization?
And how do we decentralize from these control systems?
There certainly is a role for AI and research.
That's, for instance, extracting information from the internet.
Here it is.
Read it for yourself, that sort of thing.
Maybe even some analysis.
But this is not the purpose that AI was built for in the first place.
It was always built as a control system that can consume massive amounts of data from, for instance, the Internet of Things, the Internet of Bodies, et cetera, you name it.
Anything can be collected and analyzed.
This is the purpose of AI.
Now, you're never, you personally will not ever create an AI that, for instance, would control the city of Austin, right?
And suck all the data out of Austin, Texas, with the intent of turning that data around, analyzing it, turning it around in order to manipulate the people in the society in Austin, Texas.
That's not your purpose at all.
But this is the purpose of most of these AI systems.
They say, well, it's a good research tool.
You can be a companion for you.
You can find out lots of information.
It's a search engines, replacement, all this.
It's a girlfriend.
They're doing the human companion AI that people are getting sucked into also somehow.
Like falling in love with a chatbot, which makes no sense.
Sometimes the most boring relationship ever.
The movie her.
Yeah.
I know.
Exactly.
You know, this whole business of extracting information from you, this is a major theme of AI in the first place.
Any way that they can get data out of you, they will do it.
And there's in the future, it'd be worse than today.
But at this point, why would they want all the data that you can cough up?
Well, what technocracy started out with in the first place in 1932 at Columbia University was they were going to create the science of social engineering that was all over their literature.
And this is in your face, social engineering, the science of social engineering embodied in AI.
Yeah.
So I.
But where this is going, and Courtney, I mean, I don't mean to interrupt you, but let's bring this to the depopulation agenda at some point here in this conversation.
But go ahead with what you were going to say.
So I just want to address when you're talking about the decentralization, because I recognize there are people like what you're doing, I think is fantastic.
This is, you know, there are a lot of really creative, you know, people who are using ingenuity and trying to defeat this with some, with the technology.
However, I think it is really important to recognize, you know, H.G. Wells, when he wrote The World Brain, what did he say?
He said that the decentralization of the information institutions, he used the term ganglia.
So he was talking about the academic institutions, the media, entertainment back then.
Now, I would argue those information institutions are the internet.
They are the technology platform.
And so he said those would be the conduit to create the world brain.
And we have to recognize that, of course, we then from there, we got Oliver Riser's World Censorium, which I think his cosmic humanism was a precursor for that changing images of man document, which then became today.
We now have the first values, first principles of evolving perennialism, 42 propositions on cosmoerotic humanism.
And it's got a very similar kind of through line.
We then got Thérè Des Chardin.
So when you talk about closed system versus open systems, we had Vernatsky and Chardin, who both talked about a no-osphere.
They both got it from the French philosopher Leroy.
And both concepts are still a noosphere.
So one talks about an open system.
That was Vernansky.
The other talks about a closed system.
But ultimately, it's still, you know, one may be open source, but it's still creating this noosphere, which in the end, the result is the same.
It's this interconnected collective intelligence.
And we also have Balaji Shernamasan, which talks about the network states.
And in his book, he says it is decentralized towards a recentralized center.
So I bring all of this up just to say that I think it's very important for people to understand what they're really looking for are these like smart villages and network states that will be interconnected on a big grid.
That's a big web.
And that will make up the noosphere.
So it's all interconnected and seems decentralized, but it is then recentralized.
And it is, you know, all the interoperability, as Hatt was saying, they are collecting our data.
And these are socio-technical cyber physical systems that use the cybernetic algorithms in order to nudge us in our various little echo chambers in our various communities, whether it's a smart network state.
Okay, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but I track exactly what you're saying, but I want to clarify because this word decentralization has two meanings side by side.
And the way you just described it is it's also, it's a method of distribution of the control grid to reassimilate humans into the Borg system.
But when I use the word decentralization, what I'm talking about is off-grid open source models running locally that are not connected.
So, and that's what I advocate for.
And that's why we've created downloadable versions of our AI model.
You can run it locally.
You can unplug the internet, right?
And I think this is absolutely critical.
There's also technology now that's literally called obliteration, starts with an A, and that's not a typo, to take a language model like an open source model, could be Quinn, could be whatever, and then to obliterate its mind on the topics that you want to wipe out of it, like, you know, transgenderism or climate nonsense or whatever, vaccine nonsense.
And then you can retrain it and then you can package that and release that open source decentralized.
So those are the kinds of things that I do.
But I understand we are, we're just a remnant.
We're just like the, you know, the surviving little remnant of humanity that's doing this.
Most people are just assimilating into the Borg.
I just wanted to clarify that.
Yeah.
And I know what you're doing and I appreciate that.
And I really appreciate that critical distinction because most people don't understand that.
And a lot of people are actually thinking that they are creating something decentralized, but they're just helping to build the beast system.
True.
So people need to understand what the difference is.
So I just wanted to bring that up so people have a sense of that.
Go ahead, Patrick.
Are you going to jump in?
No, I agree with Courtney here.
Yeah.
Using AI for any type of research, obviously it can be clarified.
It can be quantified in a way that is acceptable for you and me and whatever, and maybe some other segment of society as well.
But AI in general is not about any type of research or information retrieval for the public.
And there's obviously it's being sold to the public as a conduit for information to be passed to us.
And sometimes it's impressive information.
Sometimes it's damning information.
But nevertheless, it's never been about us.
It's always been about control of the population using this information that's gleaned from all the data sources in the world at this point.
And 6G, by the way, 6G is going to introduce a new technology.
Well, actually, it's not new at this point, but it's called digital twinning.
When you can create a digital twin of an object, maybe it's a person, maybe it's a city, maybe your studio, maybe the whole city, maybe a whole company, a country.
When 6G is in place, it'll probably lead to massive amounts of digital cloning, if you will, digital twinning to create objects like avatars for you that can be analyzed offline from you, you personally.
And the idea is to create a scenario where you get tweaked, your avatar will be tweaked until they're satisfied with the results.
Then it will be force-fed back to you again in real time.
This is crazy stuff, I know, but this has always been the object of AI in the first place.
It was never to serve the people of the country.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Clearly, even when the company OpenAI, which started as a nonprofit and then they realized how much money and power was involved, and then the CIA came in the back door.
And now it's become a weapon, a weapon against humanity.
And I would argue that OpenAI, even Sam Altman, I don't trust him one bit.
And OpenAI is a military project right now, just like the DOD actually built the original SARS-CoV-2 protein fragments that the former VP of Pfizer, Michael Yeden, describes as a nerve agent.
Okay.
So everything the government gets involved in becomes weaponized against us.
So tell us about your book now that covers all of this in more detail.
You can hold it up.
Yeah, you hold it up.
Mine's reverse.
Okay.
The final betrayal.
So is this available now?
Yes, it is.
Yes.
All right.
Where can people find it?
Tell us about it, Courtney.
So people can, there are three places people can find it.
They can find it on Amazon.
And if they find it on Amazon and they enjoy it, we really appreciate a five-star review because we are experiencing some censorship.
So that goes a long way.
So that's Amazon.
Then we also have on Patrick's site, technocracy.news at the store.
You can get, this is a great place to go if you want to get multiple copies.
He has a discount on there for even two books.
So if you're buying more than one, that's a great place to go.
And then we also have books.buy, B-Y-forward slash Patrick Wood.
And this is a really good, great option, of course, for anybody, but especially if you're not in the United States, you will avert some of the exorbitant shipping and tariff fees that you might incur otherwise.
They charge a flat $5 fee for the shipping.
So that's a really great option to have, especially for people who are outside.
And so the whole purpose of this book, as you can see, it's a pretty short book and it is really laden with tons of references.
So it's actually even shorter than it looks here.
We have some, there are actually some chapters where I think there might be more pages of references than even text.
But the purpose of keeping it really short, we wanted it to be accessible because, you know, as we were saying, it is such a betrayal.
And the left hates Trump.
You know, it's just, I like to say it's Orange Man Bad or Orange Man Jesus.
It's like, there seems to be very little.
It's funny.
Yeah.
So true.
Yeah.
There's little in between, you know?
So unfortunately, that has the effect of kind of obfuscating what's actually going on.
So the left just hates him and they don't really have for, you know, not very good reasons, in my opinion.
But the right, a lot of them have been just totally placated.
Sorry.
You know, they think, okay, Trump's got it.
He's playing 10D chess and he, you know, just trust the plan and we're all going to be good.
And that couldn't be further from the truth, in my opinion.
So, what we wanted to do was lay out the infrastructure, this technocratic infrastructure that's rolling out in real time with all these executive orders, all of these regulatory bills, and all of these people and these things like Doge and what was really behind it.
And also to talk about this philosophy, the dark enlightenment that has been so instrumental and permeated through so much of the Trump administration in Silicon Valley, but so many people just aren't aware.
And if you don't know, you can't defeat a threat you don't know exists, right?
So, that's the point.
We made it, we hope to make it really accessible.
I think this was written in a very, you know, it's short, it's quick, it's not a light read per se, but it is a short, quick, hopefully, you know, easier read for people just so they can get the broad information to know what's actually going on and taking place.
And then there's tons of resources for people who want to do their research spelunking on their own.
Okay.
All right.
That sounds great.
Again, lots of places to get it: technocracy.news, as well as Amazon and other booksellers.
There's a Kindle version.
The Kindle version is also on Amazon.
And we're just about to release the audiobook.
Yes.
Oh, it'll be available as well on Amazon.
I assume that's a human performing the audio book.
Yes, it is.
As a matter of fact, we stayed at the first and the end.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Just to be clear.
So no, no AI wrote this book.
No.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, you put in the hard work then because writing a book is a very laborious job, as we all know.
But congratulations.
We struggle.
We struggle.
I'll tell you what.
We really did.
We were a great team, but we struggled with some topics to get them clear.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure.
I know Patrick knows so much of this, but like I, a lot of it I learned in real time.
I was just like, oh my gosh, it's happening now.
I don't know what's going on.
I'm like, wait, I've got to learn all this.
So, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, so we need to cover.
I'm sure there's a chapter in your book.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure there's a chapter on crypto, the whole, the whole new crypto approach here.
So, Patrick, do you do how it seems to me like they're going to have to have some kind of big crisis event with the dollar in order to shove people into this new CBDC or whatever they call it ecosystem?
How do you think that's going to go down?
Very badly, I'm afraid for us, especially.
But having said that, the reason that Trump put a waiver against the Federal Reserve to stop research on central bank digital currencies is because the tech bros in Washington, people like David Sachs, for instance, the AI czar and Crypto Czar, they wanted to create their own parallel economic or a system of finance.
And it included the payment aspect.
The Fed was only concerned with payment tokens or what they call central bank digital currencies.
However, this new system has another side to it.
That's the asset tokenization, not the payment tokenization.
But now it wraps into that a parallel system based on blockchain of asset tokenization.
And this is why, for instance, JB Morgan, Larry Fink, they say everything in the world will be tokenized at some point.
Well, you have to consider this is a new economic system based on tokenization.
And the dollar, at some point, it will be immaterial to this new system.
Can I interject and say that to our audience, if the government were announcing mass registration of guns, everybody would freak out.
If they announced mass registration of your gold and silver at home, everybody would freak out.
But when they call it tokenization, people get really excited about, yes, I want to report all my stuff onto the tokens controlled by the government.
I'm like, people, stop being stupid.
It's a mass reporting, government-controlled, centralized, I mean, isn't it?
And a cybernetic nudging system.
Yes.
It's a gamified society.
That's what people really need to understand.
It's a gamified society.
I mean, it's like the worst of a Black Mirror episode.
Yeah, absolutely.
But I mean, I don't want to go through all my ammo boxes, for example, and tokenize all my nine millimeter and send it to the government.
No, no, no.
Never going to happen.
There's too many of them anyway.
Consider the Secretary of Commerce, Howard Luknick.
When he was just before the election and before the inauguration, he was on national TV on CNBC and other squawk box, I think, talking about the digitization, the asset tokenization of all of the assets of the United States, including the 680 million acres that the federal government owns.
It's supposed to be for us, but nevertheless, he's on national TV lusting over the possibility.
Oh, if we can get that all tokenized, why, whoa, Elon and me can make a lot of money off that.
No, You can't do that, Howard.
But nevertheless, this is the grandiose scheme that they have at this point that asset tokens are going to be the big play in the future.
You see this business of asset tokenization has already flooded Mideast, Mideast Islamic banking.
They're the leaders at this point of this technology, crazy as it sounds, but they are.
So this asset-based system is going to be very compatible with Islamic finance at some point.
You have to wonder why President Trump has made all these deals with Mideastern countries like Qatar, the Saudis, the UAE to bring trillions of dollars to the United States.
You have to ask the question, what's going on here?
Something's really off on this whole thing.
Well, let me answer that and then, Courtney, get your response.
But this is the perfect con-job system.
If you think about it, the dollar was a proxy for gold up until 1971.
And then, of course, Nixon took us off the gold standard.
And then the dollar was just massive fraud counterfeiting to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars, concentrating power into the hands of those who can print the currency, right?
So that was a scam.
Well, now this tokenization that you just described, Patrick, is the exact same scam on a much bigger basis because it's digital now and there's no limits to how much they can scam out of people and they're not tied to real physical stuff anymore.
There's going to be massive rehypothecation.
Somebody's going to digitize one kilo of gold and then it's going to turn into 10,000 digital kilos somewhere else and everybody's going to get scammed or these other parties are going to make a bunch of money off of it.
Courtney, isn't this a crime syndicate operation, essentially?
It's a massive crime syndicate operation.
And it is, I think, really where I think I've used this term the last time.
I call it the technological immunization of the escaton.
They're literally trying to create a simulacra.
So I don't know if you remember, it was last year, it was a last year or two years ago, but they were trying to, it was the Rockefellers had it created, they partnered up with something called the IEG, the Intrinsic Exchange Group.
And the only purpose of this intrinsic exchange group was to work with the SEC to get a new category up on the stock at the New York Stock Exchange that was called NAC, the natural asset companies.
And this was this idea tied to like carbon credits, carbon sequestering, very similar to like what you know, the energy credits of the Technocracy Inc.'s kind of vision.
And they had this vision that they were going to make upwards of 500 quadrillion dollars commodifying everything.
So including the air we breathe.
They were talking about things like photos.
I'm telling you, photosynthesis was in this.
I mean, that's what they're right.
So, but this is taking it even, I mean, as absurd as that was, and as just horrifying and completely inhumane and you know, antithetical to the natural order of things as that was.
This takes this even further, where it's truly creating a gamified society where they have a complete control and we are kind of locked not just in a digital gulag, but really like almost like a simulation where they want our food to be completely synthetic, our, you know, everything like a VR kind of a reality, a kind of a world, and everything is just a simulacra of reality.
But we're going to, you know, win little tokens and then, you know, we'll be on a, as Elon says, a higher basic income.
It's not going to be.
It's going to be a conditionally based income, a conditionally based income where, you know, if you're a good doobie and you go along with this, the system, then maybe you'll get a few tokens to play your next round on the game.
And if not, yeah.
Well, we, I jokingly say we already have a UBI, universal basic ignorance.
People have no idea what's coming.
And I've argued, and I'd like to let's segue to the depopulation question.
But I've argued that the ultimate goal in AI, first cognition with software AI, and then labor replacement with AI robots, which is still a few years away.
But the ultimate goal is the replacement of billions of human beings.
And depopulation is the goal of the globalists.
They just, you know, they've abused and exploited human labor and human cognition for, you know, millennia to get us to this point.
And they figure, well, we don't need those humans anymore.
We've used them up.
Let's get rid of them and replace them.
Patrick, do you, do you, you know, what are your comments on something like that?
Because to a lot of people, that sounds crazy.
Like that would never happen.
They would never kill us.
Okay.
All right.
Keep believing that.
Curtis Yarvin, the modern author of The Dark Enlightenment philosophy, he has an answer for this.
His answer is he wrote this, believe it or not, in 2008.
He talked about the humane alternative to genocide.
He's talking about, well, if we could just kill them, we would, but that's not morally acceptable, right?
So he said he talks about the alternative to genocide.
This is it.
The best alternative to genocide I can think of is not to just kill them.
That's the words, but to virtualize them.
A virtualized human is a permanent, permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies.
This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface, which allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.
Well, that's the major.
Yeah, I mean, the malacca.
Yes, exactly.
And he was the first one to use the term red pill in a political context.
Really?
It was through his blog, Unqualified Reservations, which he started in 2007.
He's since moved on to Gray Mirror, which is his substack.
But yeah, so that is where they're going.
I don't want to cut you off, but I have some thoughts on the Depop agenda.
So I'll okay.
So there's two sides to this eugenics kind of component.
You know, there was, they called it negative eugenics, which of course is to kill off those that are unfit, the quote unquote useless eaters or the, you know, the unfit of the population.
But then there's also what they called positive eugenics.
And I think we have to recognize that both are very, very relevant right now.
Because certainly they do, I think there is a depop agenda and they do want to kill people off.
You know, there was that whole Georgia guy stones in the news looking like that.
That is very much their vision to call, I guess it would be an eighth of the population, you know, eighth.
Yeah.
No, to call seven eighths of the seven eighths.
That's it.
Seven eighths.
Yeah.
To leave one eighth of the population.
Sorry.
500 million is what they wanted to leave us with.
Well, I guess that would be 15 16ths of the population.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what we're up to right now.
Okay.
Yeah.
They want to leave half half a billion people.
Half a million people.
Okay.
So yeah, that's what, oh, 500,000 is what they want.
Okay.
Oh, no, no.
I thought you said 500 million.
I thought that's what, I thought it was 500 million.
I thought it was 500 million.
Okay.
Okay.
So half a billion people is what they want left, which means they got to kill 7.5 billion roughly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll get the math nailed.
Sorry.
No, my apologies.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
So that is where I do think that is where they want to go.
However, in the meantime, they need us and there is an agenda, a transhuman agenda.
When you hear things like human augmentation, super soldier, when you hear people like Elon, a lot of the quote unquote right, you know, are championing him, not just because he's a free speech savior, which, you know, I don't believe.
Not really, yeah.
You're right.
That's the narrative.
But the other narrative is he's pro-natalist.
You know, he's on our side.
But when you, what does he mean by pronatalism?
What he means is like genetic editing.
He's talking about like super soldier genetic manipulation.
And he's very proud of it.
That's what he means by natalism, which is essentially part of this transhuman agenda.
This is part of what Epstein was working on.
You know, so much of I, you know, my whole article with the Espene transhuman agenda, that's what he was funding was this type of positive eugenics experiments where they're using genetic manipulation to create super soldier type transhuman, eventually boar type people.
And in the meantime, they need us everyday people to be part of their cybernetic feedback lift because they do want to create these.
They're studying us for things like they call decision theory.
So they're fine with the dissidents being on certain platforms like maybe X to some extent or, you know, Substack or wherever it is, as long as they can track it.
And so they can data mine it so they can understand how they operate and use that for their AI training models.
Absolutely.
I do think there is a Depop agenda, but I think people need to recognize that in the meantime, there's also this positive eugenics, which is, you know, super breeding so they can create transhuman.
And that eventually leads to Depop anyway, because transhuman beings are not human.
But yeah, just the two sides of it.
Okay, right.
Good point.
But okay, in addition to the transhumans that you mentioned there, which are, let's say, genetically augmented humans, we're going to have the cyborg humans.
And I've even, I know people who, because I'm an AI developer, I talk to a lot of people in the space of like Frontier Labs doing a lot of AI research.
And I'm always trying to red pill those people.
Like, why did you take the jabs?
You know, you're lucky you're still alive.
And some of those people say that what they want is they want to put, they want to put the Neuralink in their brain so they can just sit at their desk with their eyes closed and just write code all day with AI in their head.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Wait a second.
That does not sound like a great human experience, but there are people who desire this.
And Patrick, what is it that's so seductive about the cyborg augmentation where people want to become superhumans?
Like, what, are they just lacking meaning or purpose or identity in their human lives?
What's going on?
You know, it seems that way.
You really can't explain this in clear terms, but I think of the story of the Tower of Babel in the Old Testament, where they wanted to build this new, this using new technology, by the way, to build this tower upped into heaven.
Somehow all the people were convinced that they could do it because they had a new technology they'd never seen before.
They were building mud huts with bricks or rocks and mud.
Now they had something called square cut bricks and tar.
They found a tar was very sticky and they could use that to stick the bricks together.
And they said, well, we can do this now.
We have new technology.
You know, lead the way and we're going to go.
Well, you see this type of mentality is a conjob based on technology that overextends where it's going to go.
They didn't get the tower built in the Old Testament for other reasons.
God didn't like it, dismantled it for them.
But nevertheless, you can see at this point, people are sucked into the futures aspect of technology.
And personally, I think most of it's just a flat, big flat lie.
In other words, it's not going to turn out the way they think it's going to turn out.
You could put Neuralink all you want in your brain.
I guarantee you, nobody's going to be sitting there like this with their eyes closed, surfing the universe with only a chip in their brain.
It won't work out for them.
And people are buying it.
The other thing is, as myself, I'm a longtime nutrition and health expert.
When the body atrophies, the mind atrophies.
So if you stop eating healthy, you stop moving and exercising and getting sunlight.
You have to have sunlight in your life.
If you don't get those things, you start to go insane.
And so what we're actually going to see is a bunch of Neuralink drone cyborg humans who are insane sitting at their desks and like twitching or whatever the cyborg artifacts are going to be.
That is not healthy.
That is not sustainable.
They won't be able to even reproduce.
I mean, eventually, right?
Sperm counts are going to plummet to zero.
And all these people are probably going to end up having just like cyber sex in their heads all day.
They're not even going to have real human partners.
It's like the end of the family.
It's the end of children.
That's where this is going, Courtney.
And that's depopulation at that point.
That's depopulation.
No children, the human race is basically over.
That's right.
Well, and it's already heading there, right?
They're talking about the robo-wombs, and they're saying the robo-wombs are actually cheaper than IVF.
You know, I know people have questions around IVF, but at least it's humans, right?
This is that they're literally talking about wovo robo-wombs.
They have also ecto-life pods, so it's not even like inside a not even a cyborg, it's just an external kind of thing.
They are talking about using like completely synthetic to create life.
They have sex bots already.
So, you know, and you see in certain countries where it has become quite technocratic, relationships just aren't a thing.
People don't know how to interact with humans.
They become so glued to their digital interface that now it becomes like the movie Her, where they fall in love with their chat bots.
They have these sex robots.
I have a friend, Brock Laurie, who wrote a book about that, The Rise of the Sex Bots.
And it was a long time ago, actually.
It's just not even recent at all.
So we're very much heading in that direction.
And then we have, of course, Globotics, which is, you know, it's a portmanteau, you know, globalization and robotics and where the industry is headed.
And of course, the robots are being geared to be very human-like.
This is, I think, a transition towards the cyborgs, but it's also the transition from the fourth industrial revolution to the fifth industrial revolution, where we have this interplay between the humans and the digital twins.
And then, of course, these robots that are becoming much more human-like.
You know, we see things like Optimus, which are, you know, they look like robots.
We even see the NEO, which is the competitor, which is very robotic.
But then we also have companies like Realbotic that are being trained for hospitality industries and therapy industries.
So you're going to have a robot be your psychologist, and they look very human and they have skin now that silicon synthetic skin that can sweat.
That's how human-like they are making.
Gross.
Okay.
So now I want to share this with you and get your reaction because once again, I believe in technology through decentralized approaches to help us become more self-reliant.
And one of the things that I'm doing actually here in this facility, which is a very large facility, the viewers can't see it, is we're going to be purchasing off-the-shelf robots in 2026 and doing two things.
We're going to be trying to test them for rural living skills, like can a robot help you harvest food or plant a garden or pull weeds or move dirt or collect chicken eggs, things like that.
But secondly, can we successfully mind wipe the robots and then upload new open source programs into them so that they don't communicate with the cloud?
And I don't know if we are going to be able to achieve that, but I've been very successful with the AI models doing that.
Took a long time to figure out how to do that.
So I'm going to try that with robots.
I might be ruining like a $50,000 robot, but that's okay.
We can use it for target practice if that's the case.
But I'm sure the warranty will be voided.
Yeah, yeah.
But isn't there, and this is my question to both of you.
Isn't there a role for robotics for off-grid, decentralized, sustainable living in the context that I've just described?
Well, sure.
Of course, of course.
You know, I've said, I can't imagine how many times I've said this over the years.
When technology serves me, I love it.
Totally.
But when technology wants to use me or manipulate me, I'm out of here.
So what you're describing here is just a very good use to make technology serve a person without just otherwise destroying them with mind games or whatever.
That's a perfectly good use of technology.
This should be elevated everywhere.
I think if people understood that concept, they would reject all the other nonsense that's being posed to them and they would take stuff and with a grain of salt, they would take stuff that supports them in their life, not destroys them.
And importantly, you can't have robots in your life that spy on you because that's going to be the number one purpose of it because they have eyes and they can walk around your house and they can inventory all your stuff to be digitized on the blockchain.
You know, you got to cut that off.
Neo is already saying that.
So they're in beta test right now.
Neo, just like a competitor to Optimus.
And part of what you have to sign away is that essentially the CEO has to be let into your home and they have to be able and the robot has to be able to surveil you at all times, all under the auspices that they're going to improve their product, that that's the whole purpose.
But yeah, you are being completely surveilled, tracked, and all of that data is being reported.
And you know that if you buy a NEO right now, if you're in the beta test phase.
So yeah, that is where they're going.
Right.
So all of you listening, if you want a robot to watch you on the toilet, that's the beta test to sign up for.
I mean, who wouldn't want a robot to watch you in the bathroom?
You know, when it's remotely teleoperated by a worker in India also who's looking through the robot, because that's what NEO is doing.
A lot of the demos for that robot when it was trying to load dishes, it was all teleoperated.
No, that was a remote human through the robot.
So this is the other thing.
We talk about the Trump administration as opposed to mass immigration.
The biggest immigration of foreign labor is going to be through robot proxies.
Those robots will come in and do everything.
They're going to be remotely operated by humans because the actual robot brains are not sophisticated enough to load the dishwasher.
Yeah, that's what they were saying, that that's why they need it.
And that's why the owner has to come in.
But I wanted to address what you were talking about with like farming or some self-sustainable and using technology.
I think that as long as it's truly decentralized, where it doesn't have any kind of a mechanism to be reported to any centralized locus and you own that data, to have robots or technology helping with things like permaculture, I think would be fantastic, actually.
So that we could get away from some of this monocrop kind of industry, which is very hard unless you have the means because permaculture requires, it's so labor intensive on the front end, but it is truly the way nature, the way God intended it to be.
And it yields so much on the back end.
So if you could have some help on the front end to do some of that, and that is, you know, being in harmony with nature, actually, I think that that would be great.
But a lot of what they're doing in order to get to their agenda, to get to this essentially, you know, these socio-technical, cyber, physical, smart grid kind of systems where everything is cybernetically nudging people.
The way that they want to do that, a lot of it is through agriculture.
And I think they're trying to create these systems where they demonize the organic, you know, that they create these intentional failures where, you know, of course, they're not yielding enough crops and we have these mass starvations.
So they can, you know, sweep in with their solution of these kind of like synthetic digital agriculture where they're going.
The Rockefellers have an initiative.
It's called Food Nerve for 2050.
And it is all this like three, you know, 3D printed kind of food.
It's all synthetic.
So that's horrible.
Okay.
Well, we're almost out of time here.
I want to give each of you sort of wrapping up your thoughts here.
We'll start with you, Patrick.
What would you like to say?
Read our book.
First off, if you want to understand what's going on in society right now, you have to read.
We made it as easy as it can be.
That's all I can say.
I've written books in the past.
They're very scholarly, you know, and they're hard to get through.
I admit that.
Some topics demand that.
But this is not the time for that.
We've made this book accessible for anybody who wants to understand.
If you're willing to open your eyes, you'll understand when you read a book exactly what's going on and how they're perpetrating on us.
This is a master scheme.
We haven't covered all the topics of the book for sure.
But we have a chapter called The Rise of State Religion, for instance.
We have a chapter on the death of capitalism, for instance.
We have a chapter on, let's see, the death of the American Republic.
These are fundamental things you have to understand at this point.
And these people, these tech oligarchs in Washington, D.C., they're smiling now because they have their way.
They got making lots of money off of us, taxpayers.
But when push comes to shove, these people are going to turn into raging demons that intend to completely decimate it, decimate our whole country.
And we have to be prepared of that.
We can't hide our head in the sand at this point and say it doesn't exist.
That's my big, that's all.
If we only get disappointed to people, I would be happy.
Well, we're doing our best to having you on here as a guest today.
So thank you for that.
And I want to remind people: your website is technocracy.news.
And then, Courtney, your final thoughts today.
Yeah, definitely get the book.
And I would say, once you get this book, look at what speaks to you.
I believe, you know, we all have different resources, passions, gifts, unique talents, and we should use those to be our guide to where to get involved.
So we're really hoping that this is a launching pad.
I don't think that, you know, the federal apparatus, we're seeing where they're going, but people do have power, particularly locally.
And I think people should get involved.
So find out what is going on.
Read this.
Figure out which part of this, you know, disturbs you the most and where it is that you need to be able to do it.
The cover, maybe the cover.
Yeah, right, exactly.
The skull smashing through the glass.
Terminator father.
Exactly.
So, and use that as impetus so that you can get involved.
You know, it was supposed to be an experiment in self-governance.
So that means it's incumbent upon us.
Each and every one of us, we still have free will.
You know, the cyberworks haven't taken us over completely yet.
And so the responsibility is on us.
Get involved.
You know, share this with other people.
Buy more than one copy and make it a stocking stuffer so that maybe the people who might not listen to you, just give them the gift.
And maybe they might not look at it today, tomorrow, but they'll peek at it.
And this will be the launching pad for them to be armed with the information and then take some action wherever it is that they think that they have the means to do so.
Hey, Merry Christmas.
Here's how to not die by 2030.
Yeah.
Sorry.
No, no, I completely agree with it.
That's a very important message.
And the thing is, by the time the average mainstream person figures out what's happening, it's too late.
They need to listen to both of you now ahead of all of this.
And let me give out your website, Courtney.
It's CourtneyTurner.com.
And remember that Courtney is spelled with an N-A-Y at the end.
So Courtenay.
Huh?
Yes.
T-E-N-A-Y.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
Courtenay Turner is kind of how it would be pronounced.
I just want people to get it correct.
So thank you both for spending time with us here today.
It's been very enlightening.
And I'm very happy that you have your new book and look forward to talking with you again soon.
I understand you're coming to Texas sometime next year.
So hopefully we can get you in studio.
Sounds good.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Have a great day.
And thank all of you for watching.
Hope you enjoyed that interview.
Very informative.
Be sure to check out both of their websites and check out their book.
And remember that, you know, even though I use AI and I advocate AI, it's only for decentralized purposes.
I'm completely opposed to the cyborg agenda and the globalist agenda and all that garbage.
But I do advocate for responsible, decentralized, pro-human use of technology.
So we have a chance to make it through all of this.
But yeah, the global coling is a very real thing.
And probably most people will not survive it.
But you and I will just by being informed, being aware, and taking action.
So spread this interview and share it with anyone who you think can benefit from it.
And thank you for watching.
I'm MikeAdams of Brighteon.com.
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