Health Ranger - Mike Adams - Pete Evans on Decentralizing Health, Ancestral Diets & the Power of Fasting

Dec. 16, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Pete Evans on Decentralizing Health, Ancestral Diets & the Power of Fasting

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	It's really interesting.
	When I started my apprenticeship to become a chef, this is my trade, I was taught very little about nutrition.
	There was little, if none, information or no information about nutritional advice.
	I've interviewed about 400 doctors and most of them would say the same thing.
	And most of the doctors that I have interviewed have furthered their education by adding the nutritional piece into their jigsaw puzzle of trying to help their patients reclaim their health or prevent health.
	And I think prevention is one of the things that is often overlooked.
	My intention is prevention can be a lot cheaper, a lot more enjoyable.
	So you don't have to go through those sort of ups and downs.
	You can just stay at that app.
	Welcome to today's episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighteon.com, the Free Speech Network.
	And we've got a great guest for you here today.
	It's why Todd and I are going casual.
	By the way, welcome, Todd, to the show today.
	Welcome, Mike.
	Great to be here.
	And yeah, it's my Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey.
	We play tonight.
	It's Thursday night.
	And because I'm Todd Redamas, I have a sneaky suspicion, kind of because we forgot to do the pre-recorded part before the interview.
	So we're doing it afterwards.
	But I have a suspicion you're going to give me crap about being a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
	That is absolutely true.
	And I should explain to the audience that we do film this out of order.
	So, and that's why we also have a wardrobe change because we just finished interviewing our guest who we're about to introduce now.
	And then you and I decided we got to go casual for the after party.
	So let me just say this.
	Let's just bring in our guest.
	Let's do that full interview and then we'll jump to the after party.
	Sound good?
	Sounds great.
	All right, here we go.
	Here we go.
	We are bringing in now Pete Evans, the Pete Evans, who is an incredible worldwide educator and chef and an inspiration to people about healthy living and healthy food everywhere.
	He's joining us from Australia.
	Welcome, Pete Evans.
	It's great to have you on the show today.
	It's wonderful to be here.
	Thanks, Mike.
	And good day, Todd, and everybody that's tuning in.
	Pleasure to be here.
	G'day, good day.
	I don't get to say good day very often.
	So true.
	You get a good day today.
	Okay.
	But thank you, Pete, for taking the time to join us.
	And I love what I've seen of your work.
	I love your message, which is about teaching people to take responsibility for their own health through their own food choices and not relying on these broken systems of sick care that just are not working.
	So how would you like to sort of introduce yourself and your work to our audience, which is all about decentralization?
	So it's a perfect fit.
	But go ahead with your own intro.
	How would you describe what you do?
	Well, great question.
	And I'll be as concise as I can.
	I've had a long career in the culinary world, chef by trade, professional chef, over 30 years of running restaurants.
	And over the last 15 years, released about 15, yeah, 15 years have released over 20, coming up to 30-something cookbooks now.
	Some people might recognize me from a documentary that myself and my team did about eight years ago called The Magic Pill, which ended up on Netflix globally for two years exclusively.
	And that was a documentary that we filmed in the United States, also here with Indigenous Australians, and basically wanted to put forward the idea or the philosophy that food can be medicine in the most simplest of forms.
	And I also created a TV series called The Paleo Way.
	Paleo just means old.
	So it was a cooking cooking series, eight episodes per the two series.
	So 16 episodes, three or four recipes per episode.
	And through that, it was a new genre of cooking show where I'd interviewed doctors, researchers, people that had, I guess, healed themselves or put their illnesses into remission or disappeared completely in a very light-hearted but powerful cooking show, which was perhaps ahead of its time or behind its time, whatever, who knows.
	But yeah.
	And over the last six months, eight months, I've released three cookbooks into, I know you're so prolific too, Mike, in the book space, but two books with Skyhorse Publishing, one called The Maha Cookbook, which just came out last week earlier this year.
	I did with Skyhorse Publishing and Children's Health Defense, which is over my left shoulder there.
	Healthy Food for Healthy Kids.
	And also one on Bitcoin and ancestral diets, which is, I guess, quite left of center, but probably fits into your decentralized philosophy that you hold here.
	But yeah, at the core of it, I guess my strengths is taking 30 plus years of working in professional kitchens.
	How do I translate that into recipes and information that people can actually put into action in their own kitchens that are going to be delicious, that are going to be nourishing, nutritious, and non-daunting.
	So just simple.
	Right.
	I love that.
	And in fact, I'm filming from our new studio.
	This has been up and running about a month here.
	And to my right is a kitchen set that we haven't yet used, but we built it precisely to show simple things.
	Because I'm not a chef.
	I'm a smoothie maker.
	So I'm going to just show smoothie recipes.
	Just keep it simple.
	Like, what can I do in less than 15 minutes that's healthy?
	And why is it healthy?
	And why does this work?
	And of course, you would offer much more advanced things than that, but I think we share a lot of the same philosophy there.
	So I'm glad of what you just said, what you're doing.
	It's awesome.
	Mate, I'd love to come into your kitchen one day and cook up a feast with you and your team.
	You're invited.
	We're invited.
	You give us a shopping list of what you need us to have ready for you, man.
	Yeah, we'll do it on camera too.
	If you ever come to Texas, you're invited.
	That's fine.
	That would be an honor to come and share a meal with you guys and your team.
	Thank you.
	Would love to do that.
	Well, Todd, I know you love our guest too.
	And Todd has a food for us.
	He's going to tell you all about that.
	But Todd, wow.
	What a pleasure today, huh?
	It is.
	It is.
	You know, Mike, I don't think I've ever said this.
	Don't take this wrong, chef, or Mike, even.
	But, you know, when you have a guest, it's just so distractively good looking.
	You know, Mike, I don't even know where to begin here.
	Look at those teeth.
	Look at that.
	I mean, my goodness.
	Hey, this is not a gay moment, just to be clear.
	This is just an admiration moment.
	Todd's right.
	Pete, you've got beautiful eyes.
	You've got a great smile.
	Let's just acknowledge that.
	It's all good.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	And your food is incredibly nutritious, too.
	So it's like it's a whole package.
	Go ahead, Todd.
	And that's kind of how we roll on this show is, you know, we go off the rails often, chefs.
	So, but let's go practical here.
	And as I shared with you beforehand, I have a lot, a lot of notes, and I'm going to go all over the place, but let's go practical.
	Two questions.
	What's the simplest first step someone can take today to begin decentralizing their health from a chef's standpoint?
	And two, what are the top three healthy foods that families should stop trusting immediately and why?
	And what should they buy instead?
	So-called healthy foods.
	So-called healthy foods.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Well, coming from a chef's perspective, it's really interesting.
	When I started my apprenticeship to become a chef, it's my trade, I was taught very little about nutrition.
	Basically, we get the basics on how not to hurt somebody, you know, cross-contamination, different temperatures in which we should store food, how long to keep food.
	But there was little, if none, information or no information about nutritional advice.
	And what I found so interesting after being in this space of 15 years talking about health and wellness, especially coming from a food side of things, is I've interviewed about 400 doctors and most of them would say the same thing.
	In their training, they got very little to no nutritional advice.
	So I feel like we're in the same boat there.
	And most of the doctors that I have interviewed have furthered their education by adding the nutritional piece into their jigsaw puzzle of trying to help their patients reclaim their health or prevent health.
	And I think prevention is one of the things that is often overlooked.
	Most people get to a point where they have a diagnosis or feeling lethargic or overweight, then they want to make the change.
	My intention is prevention can be a lot cheaper, a lot more enjoyable.
	So you don't have to go through those sort of ups and downs.
	You can just stay at that up for as long as possible.
	And I think that's our birthright.
	And I think it is completely achievable for everybody.
	So to answer your question, I think what should we be looking at from a kitchen point of view is the most natural foods available to us.
	And as I mentioned before, I am a big proponent of the paleo approach or ketogenic approach or ancestral diet or dietary approach.
	And what that means basically is looking back and at how our grandparents, our great-grandparents and our ancestors and ancient civilizations used to eat with the seasons.
	They would eat locally, obviously.
	They would eat seasonally and they would definitely be eating nothing that had been sprayed with unknown chemicals and a list of ingredients that we do.
	Well, some of us know what the side effects are, but for many people, looking at different ingredients and labels and how our food is produced these days, you know, you don't need to be a detective, but to bring it back to its simplistic nature, my invitation to people is, depending on your budget and your geographical location, is to buy the most natural foods possible.
	I'm a big proponent of well-sourced animals, whether it be from land or sea or waterways, and then fruits and vegetables, nuts, seeds, eggs that haven't been adulterated or Frankensteined to an each of its life because our bodies Miraculous things, and what I alluded to before is that our bodies are so intelligent.
	Our default mode is to bring us into a state of homeostasis, which means great health.
	That's inbuilt into our system.
	Our bodies are always striving for that.
	And symptoms, illnesses are just our warning signs that certain parts of our lifestyle may be out of balance or harmony or coherence, as many like to call it.
	And it could be just dietary related.
	It could be a culmination or multi-factorial process of peeling back the onion to see where that disharmony or discoherence is in our lifestyle.
	And it could be food.
	It could be the water we consume.
	It could be the information we are consuming or not consuming.
	It could be our sleep patterns.
	It could be our disconnection to nature.
	It could be doing too much work or too much exercise or not enough exercise or not enough creative expression, which I know you fellas are great at, which is one of the keys, I think, for long-term regenerative health is being able to express ourselves creatively without fear of expressing who we are innately.
	I hope that answers your first part of the question.
	The second question, Todd, that you asked was three things that we can maybe ask you to repeat the question.
	Yeah, what are the top three so-called, thank you, Mike, healthy foods that families should stop trusting immediately?
	That I think we've been put under the spell by mainstream media.
	And, you know, what should they buy instead?
	Okay, I'll frame it through the lens of if people watch mainstream television, which probably a lot of your viewers and listeners probably don't, but let's just put it into reality.
	A lot of the population does watch mainstream news.
	And in Australia, for instance, our news programs, our morning television, our radio shows will often bring in dietitians and nutritionists to talk about healthy food.
	And I've got no, you know, I don't have a negative thing to say about them.
	It's just that a lot of the information in my perspective, and this is everything that I'm saying is my perspective and my belief.
	So please let it go.
	If it doesn't resonate, you know, you might have a different belief and I respect you for that.
	And I guess dietitians, nutritionists that are formally trained have a different belief system and perspective based off the information they were taught through their university studies or college degrees.
	And from my research and from many people that I respect research, we want to flip that on its head.
	So, for instance, if I watch a morning television show and they bring in a dietitian or nutritionist, they'll be talking about eating our healthy whole grains and that we should be eating six to ten serves of these per day.
	So we're talking about cereals, rice, pasta, breads, legumes, and the list goes on and on.
	And they could be quite problematic for certain types of people if they've already got inflammation in their bodies.
	And I guess things come down to dosage, like everything I can sort of put through the lens of dosage.
	How much are we having of one thing or not enough of another thing?
	And I think when we follow the food pyramid, which is now the healthy eating chart or healthy eating plate that dietitian associations around the world promote, if we look at that, they would have us believing that our main food source should be these cereal and grain-based diets.
	And they can be my donkeys love that, by the way.
	That's my donkey diet.
	They go crazy.
	Herbivores, ruminants, they love that diet.
	They thrive on it.
	And you look at the size of them and how their systems are developed.
	And it's a species-specific diet.
	And I guess where I like to reside is what is a species-specific diet for a human being?
	And how can we mimic that or start to bring in those elements that seem to help us thrive?
	And we can look back at the work of Western A. Price and others in this space that take a deep, deep dive into looking at ancestral wisdom and ancestral diets and philosophies from 100 years ago and deeper.
	So I would have a question mark on how much carbohydrates we're consuming, how much grains we're consuming, because a lot of these grains and these cereal products are sprayed heavily with these, again, herbicides, fungicides, pesticides, which we know some are low-level antibiotics and have major side effects with the chemicals that they're using.
	And do we want to be consuming that on a day-to-day basis where our bodies are sort of getting assaulted?
	So it could be a small amount or could be a large amount, depending on how much we're eating.
	Well, the second thing I'd say, oh, here you go, please.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought you were wrapping that up.
	I was just saying, I hardly consume grains at all.
	Actually, I mean, like my smoothie is avocados with bananas and whey protein, right?
	So I really don't do grains.
	And I also don't drink any kind of processed cow's milk or anything like that, but I get healthy fats from plants.
	I get lots of phytonutrients from things like pomegranates and I get anthocyanins from all, you know, all kinds of fruits and everything.
	But nuts and seeds are a big part.
	I'll do quinoa, but that's not technically a grain, right?
	So I concur with what you've just said there, Pete.
	But I didn't mean to interrupt.
	Please continue.
	No, no, I appreciate it, mate.
	And that was my long-winded answer for one of those things Todd asked me.
	I guess second one, anything in a packet, obviously.
	And, you know, there is a question mark over these because there are some really good things that come in packets.
	But a lot of these healthy foods can be, again, sugar-rich or high-carbohydrate-rich.
	They can have additives in them.
	And I guess how I like to view what I eat, and like you're talking about there, Mike, you use a smoothie with it that has great fats in it.
	If we can look at our plate or our cup, and I tend to go more on the plate things, I really like the cooking process.
	But for me, I keep it really simple: a good quality piece of meat or seafood, and then I supplement with my vegetables or fruits or nuts and seeds or eggs.
	And I do rinse and repeat.
	And that brings me into a mild state of ketosis.
	Or you might have heard of the ketogenic diet.
	That's like putting a big fat log on your internal fire, which runs all of our systems.
	So a lot of people, when they're using a high-carbohydrate diet, that's like putting small bits of wood onto the fire or kindling.
	And anybody that's ever lit a fire and kept it going, if all you have is kindling, you will be constantly putting that small pieces of wood or the small pieces of wood onto the fire to keep that fire going.
	Now, that's how a lot of people choose to stoke or stock their internal fire or their combustion energy system that runs all their systems.
	They're constantly putting this kindling on, which burns very rapidly in a high-carbohydrate diet, which doesn't have huge amounts of good quality fats or protein.
	And the energy burns very quickly, then it dissipates, and then they're hungry again.
	And it's not so much the amount that we need to focus on as far as quantity of ingredients.
	Like I eat, I'm 52 years of age.
	I eat once to twice per day maximum.
	And it is just like what I spoke about, piece of meat or a piece of seafood.
	Sometimes I eat carnivore where it is just meat on the plate.
	Sometimes I eat omnivore, which is plant-based and animal-based.
	And I guess everybody is different.
	And my invitation is for individuals or families to go through the process of working out what gives them the best vitality over a period of time.
	Absolutely.
	And so I have a pop quiz for you here, Pete, live in the studio.
	I have a very popular American grocery item on my desk.
	Can you show that shot?
	There it is.
	It's log cabin syrup that says no high fructose corn syrup.
	You see that claim right there on the label?
	No high fructose corn syrup.
	So my quiz to you, Pete, what do you think the number one ingredient of this product is?
	Well, I don't know that.
	I know the brand, but I haven't picked up the jar or the bottle before.
	So I put a question mark over my answer to this, but no doubt some form of sugar.
	I would say cane sugar, but I could be completely wrong with that.
	It could be xylitol.
	It could be stevia.
	Please let me know what it is.
	You're going to be shocked.
	The number one ingredient is corn syrup.
	No way.
	Just not high fructose corn.
	It's the low fructose corn syrup.
	This is welcome to America, Pete, where they say no high fructose corn syrup, but you turn it around, it's freaking corn syrup.
	And people are like, oh, this is healthy.
	I'm going to take this home.
	I'm going to smother my processed white bread pancake mix with this garbage and with margarine made out of canola oil.
	Like, this is the problem in America.
	Yes.
	But then again, you probably have a nicer way to say that, but your reaction.
	And I guess that leads us to number three.
	And this is what we really took a focus on in the magic pill, was the propagandaizing of the low-fat movement.
	That we, as someone my age and my parents' age, a generation, we have lived through this brainwashing spell that we should be eating low-fat, this, that, and the other.
	And generally in the low-fat movement, they will replace that with high fructose corn, cerebral corn, cerebral sugars to make it palatable.
	And, you know, when I've interviewed neurosurgeons, neurologists, people that understand the brain deeply, one of the things that they think is the most detrimental thing that's happened over the last 30, 40, 50 years is the low-fat movement because our brains are 60, 70% fat.
	And if we're not putting the good fats that our brains and our bodies understand how to utilize from real food sources, then is there any debate as to why we are seeing such a rise in mental health issues, Alzheimer, dementia, and the list goes on and on and on.
	And even to the point of children being born and having behavioral issues, perhaps because the parents had adopted a low-fat diet prior to conception.
	And then there is always a flow-on effect.
	And I'm not blaming anybody or I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.
	Everybody is doing the best that they can, I believe, with the information that they have been given.
	However, the information that has been given over the last 30, 40 years through dietitians' associations, through the propaganda machine of multinational food corporations, which sponsor mainstream media, I would put a big question mark over it.
	And If you're not convinced, just ask this, ask yourself the question: is the population getting healthier or is it getting sicker and more?
	I don't want to say reliant on the healthcare system because it doesn't really fix a lot of things except for great trauma care.
	And I'm a big proponent of modern medicine for trauma care.
	Like, take me to the hospital.
	Yeah, fantastic.
	And it was interesting.
	I was just, I had a surf this morning early before our chat.
	And I was driving home and a song came on the radio or my speaker.
	And it was from George Michael's Listen Without Prejudice album.
	And I'm using this example because there's a cover of that album.
	And I invite people to go and have a look, Listen Without Prejudice, George Michael.
	There's a cover.
	The cover image of that is a photograph.
	And I don't know exactly when it was taken, but it was taken a long time ago.
	And there's one thing you can see in that photo with the hundreds of people that are in there, and they're all sort of in their swimwear.
	Is you would be hard-pressed to find anyone that's overweight.
	That photo was probably taken the 40s or the 50s, or maybe even earlier.
	I don't know.
	But we used to be doing things right.
	And if we can look back and take the best of that ancient or ancestral wisdom and replicate it to the best of our ability in 2025, 2026, I think that is definitely worth an adventure if you are currently suffering ill health or low vitality.
	And then looking at the other pillars of health that might strengthen your foundation as you go along this adventure.
	So, Todd, Todd, and Pete, I love what you just said, but I'm going to translate it between me and Todd.
	Pete just has a much nicer way of saying it so now.
	He's saying that we've been lied to.
	We've all been lied to about nutrition.
	And that's why we have such a problem with chronic degenerative disease in our country, especially in America right now.
	I want to talk about comparing it to Australia later because I lived in Australia for one summer and I saw so much contrast.
	It was really interesting.
	But Todd, the floor is yours.
	Where do you want to take it?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Chef, have you ever read the amazing book called The Belly Fat Deception?
	I haven't yet, but I'll put it on my list.
	Yeah.
	I just wrote it through Mike's book engine right before this interview.
	And it's 237 pages.
	And I want to unpack why I wrote it.
	But before, I just want to note that you have run over 120 wellness and fasting retreats I researched.
	And I recently finished, as Mike knows, a seven-day water fast with, of course, the fasting salts, et cetera.
	But it was absolutely amazing.
	I think life-changing.
	And I was.
	Todd, here's your book.
	Yeah, there it is.
	The belly fat deception.
	The belly fat deception.
	And I want everybody to hear my prompt because it's so relevant to what we're talking about here.
	What, let's see, what big fat pharma hopes you never discover?
	Belly fat isn't a medical problem.
	It isn't a calorie problem.
	It's a cortisol problem, an insulin resistance problem.
	It's a metabolic dysfunction problem.
	It's a how, what, and when you eat problem.
	And I went from there to have it seek out different resources to the research.
	But when I got it back, Mike, I just have to say props, man.
	Right before here, I was going through it because we were 15 minutes late and I was so grateful because I was able to read all of the chapters of my book that I wrote.
	And how was it?
	Oh my gosh.
	It's exactly the book that I want to read.
	I'm not kidding you because of my recent seven-day fast.
	And my question is, Chef Pete Evans, can you please educate us on the healing benefits extended fasts offer and explain what occurs in our bodies when a healthy fast is properly accomplished?
	Well, congratulations first, Todd, for going on the adventure of a seven-day fast.
	That's brilliant.
	And before we even get into the benefits of fasting, I think there's something that I think will resonate with your audience really deeply.
	And it's something that my wife and I talk about when we do run our fasting retreats.
	Fasting retreats is just one of them, but it's pretty strange that they would come to a chef's place.
	Let me get out your website first.
	PeteEvans.com.
	Pete Evans.com is where you can find out about these events.
	So go ahead, Pete.
	I just want to get that on the screen for you.
	Thanks, brother.
	The thing that we throw out there and invite people to contemplate is when we look back at COVID, you saw the videos, especially in Australia.
	I don't know whether you've seen them, but there were people fighting over toilet paper when supply and demand was a fear or an insecurity or a concern for people, right?
	We can live without toilet paper.
	Sure, it might not be as convenient if we don't have it, but we can survive without toilet paper.
	And when I witnessed that, I was like, wow, there's people fighting over toilet paper.
	What would happen if the supply chains crashed or were disrupted with there was a cyber attack or power went down for an extended period of time?
	Replace the toilet paper with food.
	And we know of the philosophy that what happens if there are supply chain disruptions to major cities, you know, it would go into chaos.
	So I invite people to contemplate how would you respond if I'm not saying it's going to happen and I hope it never does, but if you were not able to go to the supermarket or where you shop to purchase food for an extended period of time, and that could be a day, it could be a week, it could be two weeks, it could be a month until things got back together.
	And once you've been through a seven-day fast, like you have Todd, or a five-day fast, or even a three-day fast, or even a one- or two-day fast.
	And I'm not recommending this to people because everybody's at a different stage on their journey.
	And for some people, fasting may just not be the right thing for them at this particular point in time.
	It might be something they need to build to get the good health and then go on their fasting adventure.
	And it could also be the opposite.
	A fast might be the perfect medicine for somebody right now.
	But once you've been through a three, four, five day, or even a one-day fast, you can then, if anything happens with the supply chains and you're unable to get food and you don't have food stocked or surplus, which I would highly recommend for people to do, then you don't have to go into a state of panic or fear.
	You can go, okay, I can deal with this because I've dealt with this in the past.
	Things will get back online in a matter of time.
	I don't know what that answer is, but because I've gone through this before, this can actually be really beneficial for me.
	So that's just what I wanted to throw out there because I think your audience would appreciate that.
	So number two, the question you asked me, what actually happens when we fast?
	I'm not a scientist.
	I'm not an expert on this, but from my simple understanding of this, we have what happens when we fast for a period of time.
	And for everybody, it's different, but there's a terminology called autophagy, A-U-T-O-P-H-A-G-Y.
	Google it and look up autophagy and fasting, just so you can get and maybe ask AI if you want for an eight-year-old's explanation of what there's this really good book, The Belly Fat Deception that they got.
	There you go.
	There we go.
	So, my understanding of autophagy is it gives our body a chance for it to basically cleanse itself.
	So, there's a terminology for cells that are no longer functioning properly in our bodies.
	They could be dead cells, they could be problematic cells in our body, if you believe in that we have trillions of cells in our bodies.
	And what they're called senescent cells.
	So, by being in a state of autophagy, what happens is it gives our bodies a chance to basically get rid of them and replenish our bodies.
	And you can Google stem cells in relation to reproduction and accessing regarding fasting.
	And I think one of the most beautiful things about fasting is the number one, the courage it takes to do an extended fast.
	And for some people, an extended fast could be just skipping one meal in a week, right?
	That could take a lot of courage and bravery just to step up and go, you know what, this week, instead of three meals a day, I'm going to see what I feel like just having two meals a day.
	I might just skip breakfast or push breakfast out a bit later, and maybe I'll bring my dinner forward.
	So, I'll just eat twice a day instead of three times a day.
	For other people, it could be a 24-hour fast.
	I'm going to be brave and courageous enough to just go, you know what?
	I trust my body.
	And our bodies are actually designed for feast and famine, going back to our ancestral wisdom.
	We always didn't have food on hand, right?
	So, we are designed for feasts and we're designed for famine.
	The problem is, currently, we are feasting every single day with an abundance of food.
	So, it's not a bad thing to go through this.
	And where I'm getting to is a lot of people that do fast get to know themselves a lot deeper and have a richer relationship with themselves.
	And what I explain to people when they come on the fasting retreat is: this is an opportunity for you to sit with all of yourself without the distraction of food.
	Have you ever done that before?
	And a lot of the people that come to our retreat, it's the first time.
	And some sail through it, they just go through five days with grace and with ease.
	Other people go through the hunger issues, and that can be quite challenging for people.
	But eventually, after two or three days, they get through it generally.
	I'm not doing any blanket statements or carte blanche statements.
	But the thing that I've found over the last many years of doing this is the one thing that people really have a wonderful reaction to or response or epiphany from is how much mental clarity they experience after day two or day three or day four.
	And for everyone, it's different depending on their journey, where they are health-wise as well.
	And the clarity seems to help them sit with themselves with some of the issues or challenges they currently face in their life to create a path forward or different paths forward and different solutions to some of the issues that they've struggled with over whether it be weeks or months or years or decades even for them to go, okay, I have a vision now.
	I can see the path.
	So, fasting doesn't just have to be about losing weight, even though that can be a bright byproduct of it.
	It is so encompassing what people go through on this journey.
	And the same can be said of just changing your dietary philosophy, like we were talking about earlier.
	Can still have the same benefits and same epiphanies and realizations.
	And, you know, one of the things that I think is underestimated when we do look after our health when it comes to nutrition is our direct, I guess, relationship or communication to our deepest desires and intuition.
	They call it our gut sense.
	And when we heal our guts, which is what this allows us to do, many people report that their intuition or their gut feeling is more spontaneous.
	They're not so, they don't procrastinate as much over large issues and smaller issues.
	So they get on with it.
	They get on with expressing themselves creatively and allowing themselves to thrive.
	So that was a long-winded answer to what does fasting allow us to experience.
	I want to open up the next question, if you're okay with that.
	I want to talk about the relationship between cuisine and your consciousness and cognitive experience in this world.
	And let me just introduce that by saying that, of course, you and I both know there's a very strong connection between your sensory experience and your sensory acuity and the sensitivity of your cognition, the function of your brain.
	And so when people eat a lot of processed junk foods that are high in sugar, high in fat, and high in salt, it dulls the brain.
	And those are also the same people I've noticed that use a lot of toxic laundry detergent fragrance products, and their brains are like totally dull because they're receding from this sensory overload.
	And they're not typically very high IQ people when they're living in this way, but they can transform.
	Because if you actually start to eat healthier, your brain will awaken because now you have this broad spectrum of a sensory experience as you're getting away from the overloaded fats and salts and everything.
	You're beginning to actually deepen your experience of food.
	And this is what wine tasting is a lot about, things like this.
	And then your brain responds and your neurology actually expands and deepens.
	Would you speak to that phenomenon and your observations and experience in that area?
	Yeah, for sure.
	I appreciate the question.
	Beautiful question.
	The first thought that came to my mind is a fellow that I interviewed many, many years ago, Albert Velodo.
	He's written a book on, he's a modern-day shaman, also university degree of neuroscience.
	I think he's a neurologist or neuroscientist.
	And he has spent his life working out how our brains function, but also going back to our ancestral wisdom, he studied the shamanic ways in Central and South America, especially in South America.
	And when I had him on the podcast, he was talking about the different plant medicines and different psychedelics, entheogenic medicines that are out there.
	And the thing that really stopped me in my tracks was when he said, for more divine connection, whatever your belief system is, whether it's God, whether it's spirit, whether it's source consciousness, whether it's the universe, whether it's just the pool in which we have unlimited access to.
	He said, apart from the psychedelics and the shamanic journey and the medicine journey and initiations that shamans go through, he said having a high-fat approach or healthy fat diet, ketogenic, will give you greater access to that pool or source consciousness or God or spirit or whatever you like to call it.
	And I thought that was really quite interesting coming from a man that sort of walks the two worlds, you know, the modern scientific world, but also the ancient, I guess, spiritual world.
	So I think that's something to consider when it comes to, again, good quality fats, including them into our diet, not being fearful of eating fats, because obviously all tribes, all societies would have hunted and gathered to a degree, and they would not have let anything go to waste from their catch or their kill or their harvest.
	So the second part of that question is: I invite people to not only cook consciously and with love and laughter and putting on your favorite music or lighting a candle, whatever floats your boat or gets your wheels spinning, to be in a great place when you do go on this adventure of home cooking, which I invite everybody to explore.
	If you're not a competent home cook or you're fearful of stepping into the kitchen, again, this is an invitation to have courage and bravery to step into something perhaps out of your comfort zone and learn a new life skill.
	I do believe this is one of the most important life skills that we can learn.
	And you don't have to become a master chef, but inadvertently, if you do dedicate some time to studying this craft of home cooking, you will become a master chef or a master home cook over the time that you do create to learn this life skill.
	And the flip side of that, not only cooking with intentional love, is to be grateful and gracious when you are eating, whether it's something that you've cooked yourself or you've gotten from a restaurant or your loved one has cooked or your friends have cooked or Uber Eats has delivered.
	I would start, invite people to start the practice of gratitude for no matter what the food is for this life-giving beautiful sensationary journey that we get to go on.
	I mean, we are having a human experience, I believe, in my perception, to be able to use all of our senses, our sight, our hearing, our smell, our taste, our touch, and our intuition.
	And one of the greatest gifts that we can give ourselves, I believe, is, apart from self-love and beautiful loving connections with our friends and family and strangers, unconditional love, is the ability to develop our palates into tasting all of these different cuisines that you sort of alluded to a little bit before, Mike.
	Because I believe we live in the best time in human history.
	We've access to a plethora of information from different cultures.
	We can have seeds from once upon a time, there was the spice root, and things were traded in spices.
	Once upon a time, salt was one of our most valued commodities.
	And the word salary for our working week pay packet was derived From the word salt.
	That's where celery comes from.
	So these things aren't to be taken lightly.
	I think spices, herbs, salts, different recipes from all around the planet, whether you believe in a globe or flat or convex or whatever you believe in, we do have different cultures.
	And each one of these cultures, over the length of time that they have been around utilizing the local or traded ingredients, they have developed some of the most tantalizing, inspirational, mouth-watering, delicious recipes that each and every one of us can start to become a master in.
	And let's give us that beautiful experience of life, which is here to be here to be, I guess, taking a bite of every single day with our senses.
	Let me add, Pete, and that was a beautiful answer.
	And Todd gets the next question.
	But let me just add that, you know, I run a MassSpec food lab, and I often try to remind people: you have MassSpec senses on your tongue and in your nose and your gut and your intuition.
	You have the instrumentation to experience the rich abundance of the, especially the plant world with all the amazing molecules and nutrients.
	You don't need a million-dollar laboratory to know what's in it.
	You can taste it.
	That is, if you haven't blasted your senses with just sugars and salts and everything else, right?
	And MSG, don't forget MSG.
	Like if you cut all that garbage out of your diet and you start to eat real food, your sensory acuity will just magnify and your experience of life will also be significantly upgraded and your cognitive sensory acuity will be upgraded at the same time.
	So that's that's what I want to add to that.
	And Todd, back to you.
	Yeah, I mean, as you were talking about it, I was just rewinding a little bit, thinking about my own recent cognitive visceral experiences of just, you know, opening up the fridge and having the coolness of the fridge and taking out the food and touching it, the plate and putting it that pizza in the microwave and hitting the buttons and hearing the music.
	Kidding.
	You know, we're rapidly approaching the after party.
	So I was just getting into the zone.
	No, listen, Chef Pete, as a new grandfather, your new book, Healthy Food for Healthy Kids, is very much of interest to me.
	The book suggests a major problem with modern childhood nutrition.
	Where are parents being misled the most?
	Wow.
	Well, first, I want to, before I answer that, I want to ask you, going back to our last conversation, is how was your first bite of food or first meal after your seven-day fast, Todd?
	It was a bit scary because I did my research and I'm like, okay, I just can't go plow in and start eating whatever I want.
	Was it a papaya?
	It was papaya.
	I did have papaya and it was bone broth.
	So that's not a really exciting break your fast, you know, but I didn't want to destroy my stomach, you know, because you kind of have to ease back in.
	But that was, I'm sorry, but that was papaya that you grew.
	Yes.
	That was your papaya.
	That first bite must have been magical.
	You know, I always have to get this joke in.
	I self-custody papayas and from my food force.
	And, but, oh, it was the most delicious taste flavor ever.
	And ever since then, I do.
	I mean, I really, I really honor and appreciate my food.
	And I don't, excuse my language, but I don't think I'm ever going to eat shit food again because once I went through that and I broke through, for my experience, the first two days was a piece of cake.
	Third day was a real, real battle for me.
	I mean, I almost tapped out on the end of the third day and saying, screw it up, three days, that's good.
	But then I got into the fourth day, Pete, and I woke up at 4:30 a.m.
	And it was like my mind was on fire, man.
	I was so productive that whole morning up until noon, I felt like Mike freaking Adams productive, you know?
	And then, so that was four, five, six, seven.
	I didn't think about food.
	I was just all into my energy.
	And so that was where I know autophagy kicked in, and my body was rebooting.
	I mean, it's literally a control-alt reboot experience in your body medically.
	And I lived it.
	And now coming through it, and I will tell you the reason why people are not hungry when they go through these extended fasts.
	If you're like me, look, I was 30 pounds overweight.
	I had plenty of visceral fat.
	And what happens is when your body switches from fat burning, the calories, the carbohydrates, the easy energy that it gets, the insulin, you know, when insulin isn't spiked every six seconds, you know, your body is pretty smart.
	And it's like, this dude hadn't eaten for 20 years.
	This dude hasn't eaten for 30 years.
	Maybe we better just kind of start getting our energy from this stored fat around that liver.
	And so what happens, I'm not kidding you.
	That week, my belly was gone at the end of that week because my body had a veritable smorgasbord of caloric intake.
	It was just not external.
	It was feeding on the inside.
	And that's what I don't think people really contemplate.
	You go to a point to where you are not hungry because your own fat body is feeding.
	the next time you fast the first food you should eat after the fast is of course log cabin syrup I would give you this bottle Okay, I'm sorry.
	Sorry.
	Let's get our chef's response.
	Yeah, put it on the papaya.
	That's going to make it anyway.
	So thank you for the follow-up on that.
	But I really, really do encourage people, if you want to rid yourself of that stubborn body fat, to consider a fast, be it a 36-hour, a five-day, a seven-day, or whatever.
	Do your own research.
	Certainly be safe.
	Check with your doctor.
	But I'm telling you what, I'm here to tell you today, I think it was life-changing.
	You know, I never went more than a couple days without food, and it was life-changing.
	So anyway, back to where are parents being misled most because I want my grandson to grow up healthy.
	But, you know, I'm just concerned about all of the inputs that my daughter, she doesn't watch this show.
	You know?
	Well, that's an interesting one.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	And since you wrote the book on it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The Healthy Food for Healthy Kids over that shoulder was done, released by Children's Health Defense and Skyhorse Publishing.
	And the recent one that I've got is the Maha Cookbook, which came out last week.
	Nice also by Skyhorse Publishing Tony Lyons and the team there.
	Thank you for the trust and support in having a censored, de-platformed chef create a couple of beautiful cookbooks to put out there into the world.
	Huge thanks to those guys.
	And obviously, Mike, what you're doing with your book publishing as well, I think is great.
	We'll have to have a chat about that too.
	Yeah, the question is, what can parents do?
	It's a big, I never want to tell anybody what to do or what they should do.
	I believe in sovereignty and free will in all regards, everything.
	And I trust and respect every single person's journey in their lifetime.
	But pretend you're on decentralized TV and we give you permission to go ahead and not be so nice.
	Tell us.
	Well, if you came to me and asked what I should do, I would get the children not so much what they shouldn't do, what I would invite people to explore.
	That's a better thing than I would invite children to be a part of the cooking adventure in whatever way, shape, or form it may be, depending on the age, right?
	But for instance, and I'm not promoting my book a second time, but any book that's based around these principles or recipes that you can see on YouTube or your site here, allow maybe allow the children, not allow, invite the children to explore different recipes and say, out of these 20 recipes or 50 recipes or 10 recipes, you're going to choose two that you would like to eat this week.
	Nice.
	And we will make, and we will make that together as a family or however it may be, depending on their age.
	And it could be as simple as the children cracking the eggs into a bowl and whisking it with a fork.
	That's what I did with my two daughters.
	Or it could be picking some herbs from the bunch of herbs or herbs, I should say.
	I'm talking to Americas.
	We say herbs over here.
	Just that involvement.
	Children, from my perspective, want to be seen, want to be heard, want to feel like they're a part of the game, the show, the process.
	They want that unconditional love.
	And that can be such a huge, huge thing for children to be included in something as simple as that.
	Because if you give them ownership and accountability, responsibility in something like that, the profound effects can cause ripple effects in their life in so many different ways, right?
	Instead of just being the parent, we're eating this and you have to eat this.
	I'm just using that one thing as an example.
	That is what I would do, or what I would invite people to do, include them into this process.
	Children learn from the experiences and watching what their parents do.
	Because a lot of parents have come to me and these are just anecdotal stories and say, my child is fussy.
	And my first question back to them is, are you fussy in how you perceive food?
	And what is your relationship to creating food?
	Do you create it as a chore, as a burden, as something that you do not want to do?
	Because the child is watching that.
	Do you celebrate food?
	Do you celebrate mealtime?
	Do you have it together?
	My daughter's now 19 and 20, and there is not one meal that we've ever had together that has been the children in their bedrooms or in front of the television eating away from us.
	And I'm not saying that to say this is the way to do it, but that was one of my unconditional rules.
	And it wasn't even a rule.
	This is just how we do it as a family.
	We eat together.
	And that has been a profound thing for not only myself, because all of those times of connection, you know, the old saying, we share bread or break bread, you know, can break down so many barriers for getting to understand who people are.
	All of these cherished moments, especially as a parent, we know how beautiful these moments are.
	And we have a period of time to really savor these until they become adults and go on their own personality.
	You know what, Pete?
	I love, I've always been fond of the saying people support what they help create, whether it's in business or just relationships.
	But now putting that phrase over what you just said with the children, kids will support what they help create, right, in the kitchen.
	And so if you invite them in to do that, they can have some fun.
	I remember when my, you know, four daughters and we used to have a ball just making these pancakes and their initials, right?
	And then putting that Aunt Jemima sugar-free, delicious, healthy syrup on it, right, Mike?
	But they loved it, right?
	And you can get really creative.
	And I'm sure I could not only imagine how creative your kitchen has been over the years.
	Yeah.
	And the third part of that is children learn through repetition.
	So if you introduce a new food, the studies, I know I don't like to reference studies, but I'll use it in this context.
	I think experts and studies have damaged themselves for this generation and the next generation over the last five years and more.
	But the studies will show that if you introduce a new food to an infant or a child, they might not appreciate it because their taste buds, as you were alluding to before, Mike and Todd, haven't developed yet.
	We need time to expand our palates.
	And they might, if you reintroduce it 10 times, 15 times, it is shown that that will become appreciated and palatable to these younger palates or taste buds, if you like.
	So don't give up.
	It would be my words of wisdom.
	And the same for you as an adult, whoever's listening to this, I guess for me, I love when I started to become a chef, and I'll be quick here, but when I was 17, I started my apprenticeship 35 years ago.
	I was a very fussy eater because I hadn't had the ability to develop my palate.
	So I was not fond.
	I had, I don't use the word hate in my vocabulary anymore, but as a 17-year-old and younger, I hated offal.
	I hated oysters.
	I hated mussels.
	I hated mushrooms.
	I hated Brussels sprouts.
	I should have said I haven't learned to appreciate them yet because I haven't been served them in a way that is delicious.
	So when I started my chefing apprenticeship, I got to face two of my greatest fears.
	One was public speaking.
	And number two was developing my palate with all of these foods because I knew for me to become a great chef, I would have to learn to not only appreciate these, all the foods that are available to us and all the ingredients from around the world, but I would have to create a love affair with these ingredients for me to become a greater chef than I started with, started out as.
	And what's fascinating is the foods that I disliked or hated the most 35 years ago are the ones that I adore more than any others these days.
	You give me a plate of oysters or some liver or some heart or some kidney or some mushrooms or Brussels sprouts or cabbage or sauerkraut or kimchi.
	I tell you what, I'm already salivating just by mentioning those foods.
	We can train ourselves to human beings are so adaptable.
	We have two superpowers.
	One, we're adaptable, which can be good or bad, right?
	And I don't like to use the word good or bad, but that is just reality and a fact.
	We are super adaptable.
	Secondly, and I'll go back to what you said earlier, Mike, is you mentioned low IQ.
	I believe as human beings, we're all geniuses in our own right.
	This is why we're here.
	The absolute variety and sheer uniqueness of us all as individual geniuses and collective geniuses, our superpower is to express our creative pursuits, our creative expression.
	And each and every one of us has our unique story that we will present to the world or express once we no longer fear who we are and silence ourselves or censor ourselves because we're insecure about being seen for the genius that we are.
	And I invite people to share themselves in whichever way possible.
	And cooking is a great way to start that process as well.
	As you're going on this wonderful journey.
	I would say I'll shut up there.
	Also, that I agree with what you just said and that learning to eat outside of the realm of what I call shadow food is actually a critical part of enabling your self-expression and to live your life to its fullest potential as your life was intended to be lived.
	And in fact, then the last question I have for you here today, and I'm very thankful of your time.
	I know we were slightly delayed.
	So thank you for your patience.
	But I'd like you to talk about this shadow food versus real food concept because you understand ethnobotany, the indigenous foods, the cultural foods, the rich variety.
	And yet in Western culture today, the vast majority of people eat fewer than 20 basic raw ingredients.
	You know, it's corn maltodextrin, corn syrup, corn tortillas, corn, whatever, corn, you know, and corn is probably the number one ingredient in the processed food industry right now.
	So in fact, people think they're eating food.
	I'm talking about America, talking about Texas.
	People think they're eating food and they've never seen actual food that you and I would say, food is this, you know, this vast spectrum.
	They're eating the shadow food, even the grapes.
	The grapes don't even have seeds in them anymore.
	And they're not even red.
	It's not even real grapes.
	What happened?
	You know, everything's seedless and stripped and lacking minerals.
	It's shadow food, you know.
	So, speak to that.
	Like, to expand to the reality of what food can be is a life-altering experience.
	100%.
	And I'll give you a backstory.
	When I started promoting, I used to host Australia's number one TV show for 11 years on commercial television.
	And so, I was pretty well known here in this country.
	And when I started talking about ancestral diets, they would run news stories or current affair shows, and they would have the reporter in front of a kitchen bench with the foods that I was promoting and others like me were promoting wild seafood, regeneratively farmed meats, wild game, organic cage-free eggs, organic fruit and vegetables, nuts, and seeds.
	Like it would look just amazing on the kitchen bench.
	And the reporter or the journalist would be standing there saying, This is an extreme approach to diet.
	Extreme.
	And then they bring in the dietitians and the nutritionists, the famous ones, and they would say, Yes, do not follow what this crazy chef is promoting here.
	You do not want to be eating all of these foods because you're going to be missing out on the essentials.
	What the essential corn syrup?
	Doritos, maybe.
	Exactly.
	So I view everything through a lens that, and some might disagree with me, and that's okay.
	That everything is always perfect, always has been, always will be, and is right now.
	So when I look at something like that and the health situation that we have in both your country and my country in the Western world at the moment, and then watching or witnessing what happened yesterday with Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Health and Human Services, and they've got a new grant out for $700 million to support regenerative farming practices.
	We go through these sort of shadows or cycles, as you like, where things can get so in your face that you cannot look away from it anymore.
	Like it gets to this boiling point where, okay, something's got to shift.
	COVID was one of those great examples.
	After five years, we look back and we're like, okay, that, even though it was a challenging time for people, look where we are now and what is being exposed.
	And I know you guys have spoken in depth about this over many years.
	You know, who would have thought six, seven years ago, that we'd be at this point now where this information is flowing so freely?
	Hepatitis B taking out of the childhood vaccine schedule, looking at the other vaccines at the moment.
	Like sometimes these things happen and then the solutions or the next part of the journey or the adventure arises.
	And when I look at the current health system, the current state of the population, it is heartbreaking.
	It is traumatic.
	It is challenging to witness that, knowing that that doesn't have to be that way.
	But I'm also one of my deep core values and beliefs is complete trust and acceptance of everybody and everything.
	That I trust that we're going through this period of time over the last 20, 30, 40 years of this ill health collectively to break through again for The solutions and answers to become more readily available for people that are wishing to go down this path.
	The answer, every single answer and solution is available right now.
	It's just whether people are at that point where they decide to go down that path.
	Well said, free will.
	Like, I respect everybody's journey.
	And I'm not saying that I have the magic pill, but there seems to be some foundational basis to certain things that will help to support your journey if you choose to live a long life, right?
	Nothing is you can't plan everything and no promises made, but there definitely seems to be some basic information and some simple information that we can adopt and then adapt to our individual life story.
	Because I believe everybody's individual journey is their medicine.
	And they, when they start to ask the question, who am I?
	Why am I at this period of where I'm at now?
	Do I want to change?
	But what are the answers?
	Sorry, I'm talking for too long.
	You're right that every time that never before in human history has everyone had access, free, nearly instant access to all of the knowledge that we are sharing here together today.
	And through the internet, but more specifically through interviews like this, your voice, your work, our book engine, like Todd was just talking about with his book that he just created today.
	And these tools are free and this information is free.
	So now it's a choice more than ever before in human history.
	Anyone can choose a path of health or anyone can choose to ignore it.
	And that's their journey.
	Whatever that journey happens to be, it's up to them.
	So, Todd, do you have last comments or questions?
	I have a last comment.
	Yeah, I'm going to start thinking through these for the end of our shows.
	I'm going to call it Rapid Fire Question.
	I have a Rapid Fire question for you, Chef Pete Evans.
	It's two-part.
	It's going to be really simple for you.
	I want you to share with our viewing audience one food that you'd tell every human to start eating immediately and to stop eating immediately.
	Three, two, one, go.
	Oh, wow.
	It's just such a polarizing one.
	And I think oysters, for me, hands down, I think one of the most beautiful foods.
	A freshly shucked oyster with nothing on it, unless you choose to put lemon or vinegar on it.
	I think that's nature's, one of nature's one of them, because I think all of nature produces perfect food, right?
	Again, then it comes down to dosage and how it's how it's either farmed, caught, or whatever.
	But an oyster from a pristine waterway, yeah, if that was my last meal, give me a dozen oysters, no lemon, freshly shucked, beautiful, happy days.
	That's me, right?
	That's me.
	For some people, that could be the worst experience of their life, taking an oyster.
	And it used to be mine.
	I promise you, it used to be mine.
	But I think more the courage and bravery to learn to appreciate than love that is great.
	And obviously, the copper to zinc ratio, I invite people to go on a beautiful exploration of that.
	Add regenerative farm meats and games and nose to tail, I think, is worthwhile looking at.
	And of course, organic fruits and vegetables.
	And then what to take out?
	You know, there's a big thing about seed oils or vegetable oils and food dyes, which I agree with, I think for sure.
	What would I take out?
	Yeah, I don't know because some of these foods might, you know, might bring so much joy to somebody that.
	Yeah, but there are alternatives to seed oils.
	Why don't we?
	Well, no, let me just say, canola oil is really great as a tractor lubricant.
	So it's very important to continue to stockpile canola oil, an industrial lubricant.
	There you go.
	I'll finish by saying this.
	I've known people that have eaten a non-inflammatory diet of whether they're full vegan, raw vegan, ancestral, carnivore, paleo, and still suffered disease.
	I know people that have eaten junk food and smoked and drank all their life and not suffered disease, right?
	Food is important.
	We can all agree that it can be beneficial, right?
	My thing that I would invite people to take out or contemplate and investigate is your belief systems around any insecurities or fears that you might have on any number of things.
	And for some, it could be food, right?
	Go investigate what that is.
	What's the relationship between you and food or comfort eating?
	Because underneath that, there'd be insecurity or a fear or something like that.
	I believe when we can look at our belief patterns and our belief systems, the things that we're going around in circles with in our life and keep encountering the same thing, that's our invitation for us to go, why does this keep happening to me?
	And that could be a belief in itself, but therein lies something that we can evolve into a new pattern or an unlimited potential.
	So we have no desired pattern to go back into, but an open slate for everything.
	So we are completely adaptable and evolve.
	We can evolve into any situation.
	That would be something that I would explore rather than being fearful of a food, because I think fear in any way, shape or form can be problematic for anything.
	So if I was to say to you, seed oils, never eat them.
	If you went to someone's house and they're cooking for them, you might go into a state of panic and piss off your mate.
	We don't want that.
	Little seizures pizza.
	Yeah.
	No, I just want to say one last thing.
	You touched on something and I just want to tell you during my fast, do you know what became that I became so aware of the fact that my addiction was board eating or when I sit down and watch, you know, I turn on Sports Center and I'm a knuckle dragger and, you know, and I do tune into some sports.
	When I do, it's kind of like I always wanted to be able to have something to eat.
	And when I was on that fast and you could not, it just became so self-evident that I would be uncomfortable just with myself.
	But going through that whole thing, on day four, I started pivoting to where I just started getting into being way more productive.
	I just didn't think about food for those days, you know, and that was, you know, so anyway, I just want to share that.
	Can I throw something in here?
	Yeah.
	My question to you was, do you remember the first time or times when you were watching as a child, watching sport and eating something?
	Were you with somebody?
	Were you with a parent?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So we create these patterns or these maybe habits or associations with periods of time when we felt so happy or so safe in that environment.
	And maybe eating that food, watching the sport with your loved ones, you felt safe, you felt connected.
	You felt like we're talking about in the kitchen with that.
	So in the future, if for some reason and you feel a good bit alone or whatever, it's just this habit because there's something about that that you used to do that used to bring you such safety and joy.
	It's a codependency.
	It's a codependency.
	Well, Todd, I have a way to break that habit completely.
	All you have to do is watch the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you will vomit.
	And then you will break that habit completely.
	So there you go.
	That's free therapy for you there today.
	And you know, we're recording this on a Thursday.
	And so by the time people see this, they'll know if I puked tonight or not.
	And I played tonight.
	I was looking it up.
	The Tampa Bay Buccaneers has the worst record in NFL history, apparently.
	So there you go.
	All right.
	So far.
	We don't focus on the negative.
	So that's just, that's all a joke.
	Yeah, we are.
	But Pete, I just want to thank you for your time and you stayed extra for us.
	And I really appreciate that.
	And we love your message.
	And we love what you're doing.
	And I would love to also give you a master key token so you can explore our book engine if you'd like to.
	But let me give out your website again.
	It's petevans.com.
	And there, before we go, can you just tell us some of the different things you have available, events and things like that?
	Yeah, my wife and I have been running health and wellness retreats for five years.
	She's amazing.
	She's usually the catalyst for a lot of the things, including the paleo and ancestral diets.
	I love her deeply and just want to give her a big shout out and thanks.
	So we've been running that for five years.
	We've actually just sold.
	So we've got six more retreats to do before we go on to our next adventure, which it's a big question mark over that.
	Books are available through Amazon and different places, depending on where you like to shop or Skyhorse Publishing.
	I do have an online platform called the Evolve Network, which has a thousand recipes, my 500 interviews, my documentaries.
	It's a subscription-based platform if you want to go there.
	Otherwise, free information.
	Same thing.
	That would be amazing to feed into your LO.
	Yeah, we will.
	I will probably pitch that to Pete.
	If he wants an AI engine that works for him, we can make that a show.
	We know how to do that.
	I'm a novice in the AI world, but I think that is also one of the great pieces for long-term regenerative health is to be a novice and to be a student.
	Yeah, Chef Pete, did you know I wrote a book called The Belly Fat Deception?
	It's firmly planted in my food.
	It's there.
	I'm going to purchase it and read it, mate.
	That book is only six hours old and it's already the most famous book on the show.
	Message being, you just have to have a really good friend and co-host who is a genius with AI to draft in his wake.
	But anyway.
	Anyway, I just credit food.
	Look, if it wasn't for the turmeric and the broccoli sprouts and everything I put in here, the black cumin seed, everything, I wouldn't have a brain that functions at all.
	I mean, really, I credit food for intelligence.
	I mean, I know we have latent intelligence, but it's suppressed by the processed foods.
	And I think eating in a healthy way unleashes your brain.
	But I've said that numerous times on the show.
	I don't mean to dominate the message.
	But Pete, is there anything else you'd like to add before we wrap this up?
	No, mate.
	I said it before.
	Anything that I said that doesn't resonate, please let it go.
	And if anything has sparked a bit of curiosity, I invite you to go on the adventure.
	It's been such an honor and a great chat to have with the both of you and for everybody that's listening or viewing.
	I love you both.
	I love you all that's tuned in and hope to come and cook with you in your kitchen, whatever it is.
	And you get to choose.
	You can be like the children.
	What do you want to cook?
	And we'll cook it together.
	Oh, my.
	Well, you are always welcome.
	If you're coming to Texas, let us know.
	You'd be welcome in studio in our actual kitchen here.
	And we would love you to join us anytime.
	So just keep us posted.
	What a blessing.
	We love you too, Chef Pete.
	You are awesome.
	You're a great guest.
	Yes.
	Thank you for all your contributions to the world.
	Thank you for your time today.
	My pleasure.
	Thank you.
	All right, everybody.
	So stay tuned.
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	All right.
	Welcome back, everybody, to the after party.
	And look, we're back.
	We're back with our casual t-shirts.
	Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	Zam.
	Yeah.
	And, of course, I don't have a lot of faith in your Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
	I know neither.
	But I don't even know anything about football, really.
	I don't watch it.
	So I just know their reputation is so bad that your screen just went blank.
	What happened?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	That's how bad the Tampa Bay Buccaneers really are.
	It's just you say the word and AI out there just shuts down the broadcast.
	Oh, that's funny.
	So anyway, they're going to fix that in the control room or attempt to.
	But anyway, so Todd, first of all, just an amazing guest, right?
	All around.
	Really is.
	Really is.
	He is so nice.
	Oh, my God.
	He is such a nice person, nicer than you and me.
	He should actually write a book called The Gentle Art of Never Pissing People Off.
	Right.
	Because he's got that nailed.
	You know, that book, Peter Dragon.
	Wait, what is it?
	Line in the Sand by Peter Dragon.
	Sorry, I just got that.
	He does not draw a line in the sand.
	Chef Pete doesn't.
	And I respect that about him.
	He is really, really a very good, nice man.
	And I can understand why everyone loves him so much.
	Because he's never going to piss you off, that's for sure.
	Yeah, he keeps it positive.
	And he's a lot more okay with people sort of being where they happen to be in the journey.
	Whereas I have a reputation for being a little more forceful, like stop poisoning yourself.
	You know, eat healthier food.
	And, you know, that is polarizing.
	I get it.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	But, but no, so it was encouraging.
	His worldview, you know, when I say every week that I have a dim view of humanity and I think, you know, there's two species and his is that we are all collective geniuses.
	And I need to think about that because I think he is right in our own way, unencumbered.
	You know, we all have our lot in life.
	And if we would have been born in a different family or had a different upbringing, maybe that would impact us differently.
	I don't know.
	Mike, I often think about what would have happened to Mike if, you know, his parents owned a Dairy Queen and he just was raised his whole life eating Dairy Queen.
	You know, he's really funny.
	An AI engine right now.
	Well, but I would also add, now, Pete has spent quite a bit of time in the USA.
	Yeah.
	But it is easier to think more highly of humanity when you're not seeing the U.S. public schools and the mass illiteracy of students that's coming out of those schools.
	And I don't blame the students.
	The problem is the school system is broken.
	The educational system is totally broken.
	And again, it's not their fault, but we are right now, you know, we're living in an empire in decline.
	And, you know, unhealthy foods and unhealthy habits are a big part of that decline, which is why it's so important that we had Chef Evans on today, because we've got to help revolutionize our country and the world with this message that you and I are teaching here as well about health, decentralization of food, restoring, you know, cognition, all of this.
	Yeah.
	And the tools, we talked about it during the interview are right at our fingertips now.
	And today, thank you, Mike.
	You know, I touched on it, I think, 17 times that I wrote a book today called The Belly Fat Deception.
	But you were right.
	I, because this has been such my focus since my fast is I wanted to tie it all together.
	And so I went to my resources that I listened to a lot and everything and their websites and stuff.
	And I just prompted the book engine, but I asked it to write me the book that I want to read.
	So it's funny that, you know, it's by Todd Pittner.
	No, maybe it should be the prompt was by Todd Pittner.
	But the engine wrote this amazing book.
	And I encourage everybody, go just for, as an example, know that my prompt was maybe a couple of paragraphs long and you have a 230-some page book that went into the detail that I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want you to unpack that.
	Oh, they did.
	Yes, yes.
	So I don't know how it works, but, you know, God bless you, Mike.
	Well, I'm really glad that you mentioned this and I've got it up on my screen again.
	Everybody can download it.
	It's called The Belly Fat Deception.
	And the place to go to get it is books.brightlearn.ai.
	And you'll see it there.
	It'll be under the health category, or you can search for the word belly, you know, and you'll find it.
	And it's free, you know, free to download and the PDF file as well.
	But we are in an era now, and we were talking about this a little bit with Pete.
	We're in an era where we can now choose what we wish to consume, especially in the world of digital content.
	So for example, Suno, the music engine.
	I've been using Suno for two years now to create the songs that I want to hear.
	Yeah, and you're very good at it.
	Well, and you're great at it too.
	You've used it for a lot of songs.
	But isn't it interesting that you and I, we don't buy mainstream music songs at all because they're garbage, right?
	Yeah, no.
	And when you unleash your own creativity, and then you see the byproduct of that, of just some simple, having fun with it, right?
	Just kind of a vision of what you'd like to hear, a theme of a song.
	And then all of a sudden you get a food force song talking about raccoons and deer.
	And it's a Jamaican singer accent.
	It's awesome because I don't know how it's magically done.
	There are some magical somebodies out there that just make this happen, you know, AI somebodies, I guess.
	I really encourage everybody to, you have just provided everyone with such a gift.
	And it's up to you all, everybody, if you actually want to wield that technology for your benefit.
	And you know what, Mike?
	You should make this.
	If people are not happy with the byproduct of using your technology, you should make the commitment that you will refund every penny.
	Because it's free, right?
	And also, by the time people watch this episode, I believe we'll have it completely opened up for free use for everybody, even without tokens.
	But it will only generate a shorter book for you.
	I think three chapters is the completely free tier.
	Right, right.
	Can I ask a question?
	Once it creates it, though, is it possible to go back and edit anything?
	A, and B, is it automatically put on in the library?
	So it's not something that you could say, you know, I want to write this book to my daughters, which I do.
	You know, that's kind of a love letter from me to them, but I don't know if I really want it for public consumption.
	So before I go down that path, I just was curious if there was a way to shield it.
	We have internally already created what we call private tokens.
	So where we are producing books in our company right now that are not listed publicly.
	So we do have that technology available.
	I'd be happy to offer you one of the private keys if you want to do that.
	Yeah, that's not something we have available to the user base yet, but we may.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	And just because I think other people may find this, when I was generating the book and generating, it was generating the cover, which was awesome.
	I had to regenerate it because there was a typo in the cover.
	Right.
	Is that what you do?
	Is you just keep reading if there's a second typo?
	It nailed it on the second one.
	So no problem.
	Yes.
	So the book cover art generator engines are capable of making typo mistakes occasionally.
	And yeah, you just have to regenerate it.
	That's the only option.
	Now, you can also upload your own cover art if you want to go to some other engine and make the best cover art.
	But our cover art generator, it's really amazing because we actually do an analysis of your entire book.
	No.
	And then it creates a strategic plan for the cover art.
	And then it gives the art direction through a prompt to an image creator engine that brings back.
	That's why the cover matches the tone and content of your book.
	Right.
	It's not just a generic, you know, simple thing.
	Well, it is freaking brilliant.
	And it was such a pleasure.
	So thank you for allowing me to be able to create mode.
	We love it.
	And I'm going to give a master key to Pete Evans and see if he wants to create something there as well.
	And of course, he's got his books.
	What was it?
	The MAGA, the MAGA diet or the MAGA cookbook?
	What was it?
	Yeah, I think it's the MAGA cookbook.
	Cookbook.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	Which is great.
	And we fully support all of the Maha.
	Maha.
	Oh, yeah.
	Maha.
	Not MAGA.
	Sorry.
	Maha.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Thank you for the correction.
	But make America Healthy Again, right?
	Okay.
	So that's great that he's got that cookbook out there.
	And we support authors who do that.
	That's why when our book engine researches from other people's books, it always gives them credit and it cites them by book title and author.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it doesn't hallucinate those.
	And you know what?
	Chef Pete is playing two audiences because maybe three.
	Make America Healthy Again.
	Make Austin.
	Australia.
	Make Armenia healthy again.
	Austria.
	Azerbaijan healthy.
	Yeah.
	But Russia, you're screwed.
	More vodka for you.
	Merha.
	Merha.
	That's what you say when you've drank too much vodka.
	Sorry, Russia.
	No, but Russia's got a really much better health food system than we have anyway.
	Yeah, they do.
	And it's less expensive.
	So Russia doesn't have the obesity problem that we have in this country.
	That's for sure.
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	Well, I mean, my wife is Russian and she goes back periodically.
	And when she does, it's usually for an extended period of time.
	And is that to avoid the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
	Somebody has to watch the dogs, right?
	I get stuck with Tampa.
	But she just observes the fact that A, way more people walk over there everywhere.
	Right.
	And B, just they don't eat crap food.
	You know, even when they go out, it's the food is not prepared with seed oils.
	You know, the grains are not, you know, don't have pesticides on them.
	It's just like, we're so screwed over here.
	Unless, you know.
	You should tell them about this business you run, Mike, about eating healthy.
	Well, yeah, of course.
	Thank to everybody watching.
	Thank you for your support.
	And this show wouldn't be possible without funding from our store, HealthRangerStore.com.
	And let me just bring it up, healthrangerstore.com.
	And there, of course, we have lab-tested foods.
	Almost everything is certified organic, amazing recipes and personal care products, storable foods.
	Here we have a whole category of gifts for her.
	And, you know, Christmas time, we've got gifts for him and so on, gifts for everyone, gifts for Todd.
	No, wait, that's not here.
	But yeah, when you support our store through HealthRangerStore.com, it's an investment in your own health, your own nutrition, and you're supporting these platforms so that we can keep bringing you these messages.
	And it's actually the Health Ranger Store donated the compute funding to our nonprofit that runs the book creation engine at brightlearn.ai.
	So your book, in essence, Todd, was funded by Health Ranger Store.
	Yeah.
	And you know what?
	My book is going to talk to people about intermittent fasting and talk to them about the health benefits of eating one really good meal a day.
	And when you do that, guess what, Mike?
	You're not spending all your money on three meals a day and all the junk food crap in between and the alcohol and the coke.
	No, it's going to save you a lot of money so that you can afford to go buy clean food.
	It's just a circle of healthy life.
	Hey, you should do a book on fasting.
	And I have a suggested title.
	You should call it The Slow Victory of Fasting.
	Ooh.
	I like that.
	Something like that.
	But you should do a fasting book.
	I will.
	I will.
	Once I get the hang of it.
	Okay.
	And, you know, I've learned from you.
	It's all about prompt engineering.
	If I have a lot of content that I want to, can I just copy and paste a boatload of content into that prompt?
	Or do you, do you have to keep it to just a short little bit?
	Well, let me bring up the prompt here.
	You will notice that right here on the screen, it says that you have up to 75,000 characters right here.
	Oh, wow.
	So that is a massive amount of content.
	You can actually paste in transcripts of interviews.
	You can paste in like 20 articles.
	You know, I mean, that you've written.
	That's a massive amount.
	Okay, that's great.
	Right.
	Or you can paste in science papers that you want to reference.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's massive.
	So, okay.
	If anything, but you've used short prompts and you've produced tremendously amazing results, even from short prompts.
	Well, and that is that is with your coaching.
	And it is, I have picked up what you've been putting down, which is it is all about effective prompt engineering and that we should get really good at that.
	And the more that you can direct it and lead it and feed it, the greater the result is going to be.
	Yeah, well, let me just give an example here, actually.
	Let's do a one-word prompt to show people.
	Okay.
	So you picked the word, Todd, like what subject matter?
	Maybe something related to our guest today.
	Insulin.
	Insulin.
	That's your prompt.
	Okay.
	If it's just one word, I think insulin is the great enemy out there.
	All right.
	I'm going to call it.
	I'm going to, we're going to go for a three-chapter book here because it's only insulin.
	Insulin.
	Yeah.
	Insulin.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, don't show my screen.
	I'm going to put in my secret token here.
	We're going to hit submit.
	All right.
	Here it goes.
	Here's the, it's generating it.
	Understanding insulin and its role in health.
	Natural strategies to optimize insulin and blood sugar.
	That's chapter two.
	And chapter three, reclaiming control over your metabolic health.
	And then the role of sunlight, nature, and grounding.
	Preventing insulin resistance in children.
	The future.
	I mean, it's see, it goes on.
	And then here it is.
	Here's the title: The Sugar Code: Decoding Insulin's Role in Health, Disease, and Longevity.
	And now it's going to do the cover art.
	So there you go, folks.
	One word, a one-word book.
	By the way, just pride authorship.
	I want to be the author of two books by Todd Pittner.
	By Todd Pittner.
	I worked so hard on that word.
	I mean, he age of AI.
	I mean, don't judge me.
	He gave me literally like three seconds to come up with my book.
	I had to write this whole freaking book in three seconds.
	And I spelled the word correctly and everything.
	I use all the letters that the word requires.
	You know, I put in it.
	I went all out on that one.
	But the advantage here, oh, oh, and here's the cover.
	Here it is.
	Okay.
	The sugar code.
	Whoa.
	Look at that.
	How cool is that?
	The sugar code.
	What is it?
	Decoding insulin's role in health, disease, and longevity.
	I'm really waiting to publish that.
	I mean, that's crazy.
	Because I really want to go read that.
	You do?
	And you want to read that?
	I want to read it.
	And I want to have a collection of links that when I do my six-month with my doctor, I want to be able to, because I, you know, I do go to a physician because of some things.
	And, you know, I want to tell him about, you know, your AI and brightu.ai.
	And I want to challenge him with a lot of things.
	And so just things like that.
	He has never ever said boo about insulin, insulin resistance, about the sugar code, about, you know, visceral fat and about fasting.
	No, it's more, well, I think maybe we should put you on some medicine.
	More, you know what I mean?
	More pharmaceuticals.
	Yeah.
	More pharmaceuticals.
	Well, all right.
	I will, I will go ahead and publish this book, the shortest prompt ever.
	Well, we can go back to it as a case study to say this was a one word prompt and look what it came up with.
	Seriously.
	But, you know, two years of data curation to build the engine that builds the book.
	Oh, it's nuts.
	It's mind-boggling.
	And the fact that, you know, all of those tech people you had to hire to help you do that.
	Yeah.
	All those AI agents.
	They do complain.
	They complain.
	It's like you can't trust their coffee breaks.
	You know.
	They have a mind of their own.
	When they start having little internal office affairs and things.
	You know, it's just, it's an upside down world, Mike.
	I had to crack down on the AI agents recently.
	They needed clarification on the prompt, and I had to smack them down for that.
	Yeah.
	So for the audience, this entire engine was built only with AI agents.
	And somehow it works.
	I mean, over hardcore, like maybe over a couple of weekends, I know you really bunkered down.
	Yeah.
	I probably put about 50 hours into this now, or maybe more.
	But yeah, I mean, this shows, look, what an amazing world in which we live.
	And getting back to Pete Evans, our guest here today, like what we said, we now have access to all the knowledge about health and nutrition.
	We have access to building apps.
	We have access to creating books or creating music with even, you could do one prompt, a one-prompt song on Suno.
	You could.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Right?
	You could just say Jamaican, you know, and it's going to give you music.
	It'll give you something.
	Yeah.
	So this is the world in which we now live.
	And it's a choice of how people choose to use those tools to enhance their human mission, which I hope should be about abundance, about freedom, about health, about helping others, you know, living as a human, a fully expressed human being.
	That's what we believe in.
	Yeah.
	Alternatively, you can watch Netflix.
	Yeah, you can watch Netflix.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah.
	You know, what's funny about what you just said there is that, you know how Netflix, it's, you know, it's a gatekeeper.
	It only allows certain types of content on.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Now, they carried Chef Pete's series, but that's because it wasn't controversial, let's say, not politically controversial.
	That's right.
	It may have been controversial in the food realm, but it's still mostly acceptable to people.
	But, you know, our book engine allows people to create books that would never be allowed by typical publishers.
	Ever.
	Ever.
	Even though Skyhorse Publishing is probably the most lenient publisher.
	And I know Tony Lyons there at Skyhorse, who published our guest book.
	And Tony has been great at publishing books of all kinds of controversies.
	He'll publish a book, The Case Against Vaccines.
	But then at the same time, he'll publish another book called The Case for Vaccines.
	I see.
	So he allows both sides, which is very unusual in the publishing industry.
	Well, what we believe is like, we don't even want gatekeepers at all.
	There is no gatekeeper other than the fact that we do filter out destructive prompts.
	Like if you try to make a book about how to commit acts of terrorism, it will refuse.
	Right.
	So, you know, obviously we have basic guardrails.
	But aside from that, you can have a book about anything you want.
	And that's the new world here.
	I just keep coming back to write the book you want to read.
	I love that.
	That's a great slogan.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Because it just takes a little bit of prompting and then it goes out and your little AI buddies do all the research for you and they come back and they organize it and then they give you a great cover.
	And now, boom, you have a couple hundred plus pages of content that is really, really of interest to you.
	You just don't know about it yet.
	And that's where, too, I think it's cool, Mike.
	I know you.
	I know you.
	I know you, Mike.
	It is not going to be too far down the line when technology allows you to, to where I'm going to be able to go into the movie engine and I'm going to be able to produce the movie that I want to watch.
	I was just going to mention that.
	That's the next step.
	Well, actually, the next step is the audio books.
	Right.
	So over the next few months, we'll be churning out audio book versions of the books.
	Right.
	Right.
	Which is pretty cool.
	I mean, I really, really like the book you wrote on the great IRS deception.
	I recommend everybody download and read that.
	And what you added to that, thank you, is at the end, there's a little 15-minute audio version.
	And what you have are like two AI people that are having a conversation like they're podcasters.
	Right.
	And they're picking up the relevant talking points.
	And it's like you and me talking right now, except they're borrowing it from the book.
	And it's the highlights.
	So that book, you know, instead of having to reading the whole thing, I told you, please, I want an audio version because I like walking around getting my steps in.
	And I want to hear those words over and over and over again about the great IRS deception.
	Well, I'm glad you enjoy that.
	And yeah, that's the current status.
	And then we'll have full-length audio books that people can download to hear the entire book, which might be, you know, 10 hours of audio or whatever it happens to be.
	You're going to put Audible out of business.
	Well, that's not our goal.
	I mean, our goal is to just have information available to people in every different form.
	But then what's coming next, sometime in 2026, I'm imagining, is you can create short documentaries, documentary videos on the topic you want.
	And initially, the documentaries will be based on the books.
	And then probably by 2027, it will be full-length feature films based on the books.
	And we're going to be moving into a world where every person will be able to choose like, hey, let's, I want to render the movie that I want to watch, or I want to create the book I want to read, like you said, Todd, or I want to create the song I want to hear, which is what we've already been doing for years now.
	And that's the new future that's becoming reality.
	In fact, one of my users of this engine said to me, said, I feel like I'm living in the future, that I can create an entire book in 20 minutes, hands off.
	I feel like we're on a different timeline.
	Like this is a weird new reality that this is even possible.
	Like, yeah.
	And, you know, Todd, you're a sleight of hand magician, a very accomplished one.
	And you know the difference between somebody seeing a technical trick versus somebody feeling magic.
	The universe has shifted.
	Yeah, that's right.
	That kind of moment is happening when people use our book engine.
	You know what I call that?
	What?
	The art of astonishment.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	That is what you're creating.
	It is astonishing to this user, right?
	That's like, whoa, I am living the future.
	It's like when your magic is so good and somebody witnesses it and then their brain goes, wait a second, the whole universe, something just changed.
	Like the rules must have changed because that's not possible.
	That's exactly right.
	But you know what?
	What I'm just still fascinated is about producing the movie that you want to watch, but then being able to put the twist on it to where you prompt it to surprise you with the ending and provide you maybe five different endings.
	I don't know.
	Todd, you could even render a football game where the Tampa, Tampa Bay Buccaneers win.
	Oh, man.
	You'll have to use advanced AI for that.
	It'll be a lot of compute, but it's possible.
	That's brutal.
	It's brutal.
	Oh, man.
	But see, in the world of AI, you know, Aya Veda, you can render, you can create soon.
	You'll be able to create whatever sports event you want.
	You can watch the basketball game of your dreams.
	You can put Michael Jordan back in the game and Michael Jordan will probably have a licensing agreement.
	That's true.
	With the tech company where he gets five cents for every Michael Jordan episode that is generated.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Every dunk.
	Every dunk, he gets a nickel, you know?
	Right.
	So celebrities, I mean, frankly, Suno just did a deal with Warner Brothers where the musical artists can opt into having their likeness used in the music creation, and they actually get paid a percentage of the user's monthly fee when they download MP3s rendered off of their voices.
	So that's actually happening.
	That's music.
	That's good.
	That's that's creative commerce.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Isn't it wild?
	Yeah.
	So, you know, thank you for allowing me to be able to generate that book that was training wheels, because, you know, my next one is over the holiday over the Christmas holidays is I'm going to write my book on unincorporated nonprofit associations, Mike.
	Yeah, that's the engine is ready for you to create that.
	You have ingested everything I've provided.
	So it is, it is right around the corner.
	But I will tell you, if I could, because now we're approaching mid-December, the good news is so many people over this past year have acquired their own UNAs through my575e.com.
	But many of them right now are trying to jump through hoops to be able to benefit and acquire their UNA by year end.
	And you know what?
	We're at the point in time to where the porches run out.
	And all I can say is it makes me feel bad to be able to say people that, you know, I'm glad you finally arrived at the conclusion that this is going to help you keep way more of what you earned in 2025.
	But you got to be proactive.
	So what I would like to do is just send a holiday message to people to say, instead of being that guy or that gal next December jumping through hoops, why don't you be the person who goes and you become self-educated at my575e.com.
	You enter in your name and address and you can go in and watch the 90-minute interview of me interviewing Dennis who's been doing helping people for 37 years.
	And then there's a PDF that you can download.
	And if you want to discuss it further, you can book a private consultation with me and we can talk about your own personal situation.
	But be that person who going into 2026, you have an entity and a rock-solid bulletproof strategy on how to be able to keep more of what you earn throughout next year, how to protect what you own, and how to decrease your personal liability.
	Okay, wait, hold on, Todd.
	So just to be clear, you're saying it is now too late to get this created in 2025.
	I will tell you the reason why, Mike.
	Because everybody's.
	It's not even because of that.
	It's because by the time that people get this, it's going to be mid-December.
	It'll be, you know, it'll be next week that we publish this.
	And the process normally takes two to three weeks.
	But what's happening is we're relying upon the Secretary of State.
	And with the holidays built in, I just, I just, I know, you know, I'm Todd Redamas in this in seeing the future of the last two weeks of December.
	So I just don't want to overpromise under deliver.
	Understood, but people can get set up for 2026 starting right now.
	And they should.
	And they should.
	Let me add something else here that's really critical because silver hit $64 an ounce.
	Right.
	Now, by the time people see this, I don't know where it's going to be.
	But on the day we're recording, it hit 64.
	Never before in history.
	Now, when people, one day people are going to take profits of whatever gold and silver they have, or maybe even Bitcoin or some other crypto.
	Yeah.
	I just have to urge the audience, before you sell any assets where you have profits, you seriously need to investigate this UNA structure on Todd's website, my575E.com.
	And the reason is if you, I mean, you can donate all your gold and silver, however much you have, into this UNA, which you control, but you do not own.
	It's not under your Social Security number.
	It has its own number, and you can open a bank account in the name of the UNA.
	But whenever you sell something and you realize profits, and right now, massive profits from metals, those profits go into the UNA.
	They don't go onto your income tax filings.
	Correct, Todd?
	I mean, they are considered reserves or unsettled funds, of which you will do good things with those that you control in the future.
	Now, there is a process to that.
	So that's where it becomes very important for people to know.
	You just don't magically click your heels and that happens.
	It is a process.
	First step is to acquire the UNA.
	Second is to open up the bank account.
	We provide all the instruction and even an easy button contact.
	If you, there's one bank that they've set up, you know, a couple hundred of these just over the phone.
	They know how to do it.
	And oh, by the way, I just, two days ago, I had a wonderful conversation with Andy Sheckman and we went through the process of the UNA paperwork and everything.
	And so now I was able to go back to our private telegram group that now has well over 350 people in it, like-minded people.
	Most of them came through the show.
	And I was able to publish in there that now we have an easy button with Andy to where he knows about the UNAs.
	So it's no fuss, no muss.
	All you have to do is contact him and then he will parse out either he will manage directly or he will give it to somebody from their team to be able to open the account with your UNA and its EIN number of which you control.
	So that's also instead of even donating your personal portfolio, you can begin the process of just accumulating with your UNA.
	That's going to be very powerful.
	Yes.
	And that's so important because that is an important step before you would donate your personal precious metals because you want to be able to have that account already set up with a like a lot of people, you want to buy a ton of silver and it's hard to take self-custody of silver after a while.
	So, people will have a storage.
	You know, I mean, Andy has nine Brinks facilities.
	And so, it's key to be able to open up an account with your UNA, and then you can go to Andy or whomever and say, Hey, I've made a personal decision that I would like to donate my personal portfolio to the UNA.
	And then that becomes, there's a process to be able to lawfully do that.
	But then now it's out from underneath your social security number, you, and it's within this EIN.
	Which means it's also no longer part of your personal estate.
	Yes, yes, either for purposes of estate taxes or whatever.
	It now exists completely outside.
	Anybody sues you or tries to go after you, or if you become incapacitated or die, the transfer on death document that you have with your UNA that just goes to whomever you have as the secretary successor.
	So these can be passed on generationally without any kind of probate or death taxes.
	And, you know, Dennis is fond of saying that these were created by the California legislators over 50 years ago for the California legislators.
	You know, they did it for themselves and we found out about it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's just been undiscovered until you're on my show, Mike.
	Wow.
	Well, this is just really amazing.
	I mean, at this moment, and what we've covered on this show for two plus years, right?
	Yeah, it's coming up on three.
	I mean, it's changing people's futures because it brings you so many new options for how to protect assets, how to learn, how to have access to amazing, life-changing information about decentralization.
	And let me remind our audience that the next step for next year for this show, it's going to be robots.
	Right.
	We're going to be bringing in robots into the studio here doing robot testing and training for off-grid living.
	And I should have mentioned this with our guest today with Chef Pete there, but I don't know what he feels about robots, but I want a robot to also cook for me.
	You know, I want, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love working with food, but there are days when I need to do vibe coding and I would love to say to the robot, hey, you make the smoothie, you know, right, or you make the fresh meal.
	And actually, robots can help people eat healthier because then it take you don't have the same time burden of making fresh meals from scratch if the robots can do it.
	Now, I think we're a couple of years away from robots actually being able to do that, but we're going to try it and see what happens.
	Yeah, I have no doubt.
	Yeah.
	Well, at first, it's going to be like, you know, try to pour water into this glass without breaking the glass.
	You know, like that's going to be task one, and they will probably not be good at that.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's probably advanced so much that you'll be blown away once you start getting them to come in.
	I have very low expectations of robotics on purpose so that I'm not disappointed.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	And it's kind of like the way I deal with people.
	It's like, just have a low expectation with some new person that you've never met.
	And then if they happen to be brilliant, then you're like, this is amazing.
	I'm pleasantly surprised.
	I love it.
	Right.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Well, Mike, what a episode.
	You know, it's so fun doing this show with you.
	And I can't believe it.
	And I really encourage people, if you like what you hear and watch and see, our episodes are timeless.
	Literally, they you can go to our fourth episode, our 10th episode, our 25th episode, and it'll be as relevant today as it was then because we aren't current event-based.
	That's true.
	Not only are our episodes timeless, but we do time traveling wardrobe changes in this episode also.
	We've mastered that.
	And you know, you didn't even comment on it, but if people haven't seen the last after party of the last episode, you will know that I had longer hair back then.
	And I did get a haircut, and you never even noticed, Mike.
	Well, I do miss the mullet.
	I think that's what it was.
	And I just, again, I just keep thinking you should bring in Holland Oats and just do a full mullet after party.
	Well, if I continue to wear this jersey, that might be a better path for me.
	I'm incognito that way.
	Last thing I want to say too, before we wrap this up, is it's really interesting that you and I both have also, both of us have become healthier and thinner this year as we're doing the show.
	So you've been doing fasting.
	You've lost a tremendous amount of weight.
	I've been doing a lot of running now.
	And I've got my jog duration up to one hour now.
	Wow.
	No kidding.
	No kidding.
	I can, I wouldn't call it running straight.
	It's not running.
	It's jogging.
	I do it for an hour and I usually put on like language courses, just brushing up on Chinese.
	And so I, so if you were to stumble upon me on my ranch, I'd be like shirtless, jogging through the forest speaking Chinese.
	And you're like, what the hell is going on here?
	It's because I'm doing language courses and I'm trying to get some sunshine and exercise.
	But anyway, we've both become healthier this year.
	How cool is that?
	It's very cool.
	It's very cool.
	And you and your food forest.
	I am, I'm now 61 and I really intend my 60s to be my healthiest ever since I was, you know, in my 20s for sure, right?
	They can be.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'm committed to it.
	I'm committed to it.
	I mean, I think about it.
	I'm like, why not me?
	You know, I've always seen those people that are older, you know, that I can tell are probably in their 60s and they look so good and fit and everything.
	And I'm like, why not me?
	I think everybody should ask that question.
	Why not me?
	I mean, we have no excuse not to be healthy these days.
	It's just like what I was saying earlier.
	You also have perfect access to every piece of knowledge that you would need to create your own plan for health.
	And what you've been doing, you know, fasting and growing your own food and avoiding toxic garbage food, like you said earlier, you can't go back to that anymore.
	Yeah, I'm right there with you.
	No, I mean, it literally right now, it just in my mind, it just feels, and it is, like poison, right?
	And now I know what it does to my body because I know what those carbs do, those crappy calories, what they do to my insulin levels and my cortisol and everything that my book.
	Did I tell you I wrote the belly fat deception, Mike?
	Everybody downwrote, make that, make that, you know, what's a good trend, that book trend.
	But I think you should do another book with another one-word prompt called cortisol.
	Exactly.
	It can be my series.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It health simplified.
	You know yeah, one word, books, for dummies, one word, books.
	You open it up and it just says cortisol yeah, and there you go.
	Yeah well look, so I think I think we're making a difference.
	I do have to say this, last week um, I did over 30 consultations.
	Wow.
	And I'm telling you, Mike, we're making a difference because people are telling me that we're making a difference and that they are getting so much from decentralized TV and they're so grateful.
	I had a gentleman this morning.
	Sorry for I didn't say it earlier, but he just said, please, please, please tell Mike how grateful I am for everything that he's done.
	Literally, that was his one want.
	And he's watching right now.
	And so cool.
	I delivered on my promise.
	Well, thank you very much to that person.
	And remember, we're all working together to make our futures better.
	Yeah.
	So we need you, the viewers, just as you need us, the hosts.
	And, you know, we all work together.
	Yep.
	And by the way, so that he knows that I heard him.
	He's from Utah and he has a wonderful family and he'll know.
	He'll know.
	There's a lot of people in Utah that have wonderful families, though, just to be clear.
	There's a lot of big families in Utah that are wonderful.
	He's one of them.
	Okay.
	Well, that doesn't narrow it down at all, but we'll take it.
	Yeah.
	It's like, yeah, I'm thinking of a large family in Utah that are like honest, high-integrity people.
	That doesn't narrow it down at all.
	Oh, but his thing was, his thing was that he listened to you really early on about starting to stack silver.
	So he's super happy right now.
	Super happy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I hope that didn't give it away because I said somebody who has a big family in Utah.
	I hope he can't be found now.
	Right.
	Who also, let me guess, stores extra food.
	Is that possible?
	Maybe has some silver?
	Yeah.
	Knows how to change a tire?
	Right.
	Oh, I have to read one last thing that I screenshot just because I saw it.
	Just because I thought this was perfect.
	I just thought, oh, man.
	Okay.
	This is just kind of a meme.
	22 years old after 17 years of progressive education.
	And then there's a list.
	Can't build a house.
	Can't work on a car.
	No idea how to farm.
	Economically illiterate.
	Historically illiterate.
	No critical thinking skills.
	Can't speak or write proper English.
	Can't do mental math.
	No idea how our bodies work.
	No clue about healthy nutrition.
	Is chronically depressed.
	Become self-educated.
	The system wants you to be its slave.
	I just thought that was kind of a nice summary of why we should escape centralized education.
	Well, did you know Elon Musk just announced that El Salvador is going to implement personalized AI education across the entire country?
	Really?
	Yes.
	And I retweeted his tweet and I said, we need to completely replace the U.S. education system as it exists today.
	At least the public schools, right?
	Absolutely.
	Because it's a joke.
	And right now, today, AI education that is personalized can compress a whole school year down to easily six weeks or less.
	For Bright students, three weeks.
	And then in their spare time, the rest of the year, you can learn how to work on a car.
	Yeah, or farm or create books or whatever you want to do.
	See, we now, we need, first of all, we have to dismantle the education system.
	We have to dismantle the broken sick care medical system.
	Frankly, we have to dismantle the broken currency fiat money system.
	It's also broken.
	But this is what's amazing about this era in which we are living.
	We are watching this history unfold where these systems are being made obsolete and they are being replaced.
	And we're part of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, with our book engine, it's an education engine too.
	I mean, a student can go to our engine and create the book of any subject that they need to learn.
	Yeah.
	Anything.
	On demand.
	On demand.
	And everybody, you just have to understand the pure joy that I'm going to go through this weekend to where I get to finally read my own book and learn.
	That's cool.
	It is cool.
	Well, thank you.
	And let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback on features or whatever, author profile pages.
	Okay.
	We're going to have special features for authors.
	If you use a token to generate a book, then you can go in and you can request that the book be re-rendered.
	You can also request it be deleted if you want to do a new version and delete the old version.
	So that's an option for token holders.
	Great.
	Amazing.
	Can't you explain to everybody though?
	Because I heard you say it on one of your broadcasts that you are going to completely stay away from any kind of commerce relationship with people to where people are going to want to, hey, I just want to buy tokens because I really want to do this, but maybe just educate them how they can acquire their tokens and why.
	I think it's important that you tell them why you don't want to have that direct commerce relationship with the public when you're giving this.
	I'll keep this short, but I actually had someone contact me and say, why aren't you, why don't you, you know, charging everybody for these books?
	Because you could have a billion dollar idea and you could raise a couple hundred million dollars in VC funding and you could be the majority share owner, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm like, yeah, not interested.
	Here's the thing.
	I think that humanity deserves access to knowledge free of charge.
	I think it's a fundamental human right.
	And I'm thinking beyond just the United States and Western countries.
	I'm thinking about impoverished nations where the cost of one book might be days of wages for a typical worker.
	I'm thinking about rural India.
	I'm thinking about Africa, Middle East, even Central and South American nations.
	A lot of our books are going to be in Spanish.
	And so the whole point of this is to have multilingual versions that are free to the whole world.
	And I don't want a commercial relationship with people about that because it's just, it's the antithesis of what we're about.
	As long as we can still afford to fund it.
	And oh, to answer your question, how do people get tokens?
	If you shop with us at healthrangerstore.com, every time you make a purchase, you're going to get loyalty points.
	You can trade those loyalty points for book credits, for book tokens.
	There you go.
	And that's how you do it right now.
	And also, by the way, everybody who's a user of Brighteon.com, if you have a channel on Brighteon.com, we are going to email you a book token, one token for one book.
	So that's going out to like hundreds of thousands of people.
	Would that be a token that will be limited to just three chapters or will it be?
	No, any length.
	Beautiful.
	But one-time use.
	And then, so we're doing that also for people who are users on Brighteon.social.
	We're going to email everybody there a token also.
	So we're trying to push tokens out into the ecosystem, but we don't want to sell them because we don't want a commercial nature.
	Besides, it's our nonprofit is what's behind all of this.
	This is a nonprofit endeavor, but we do welcome corporate donations.
	And we will have on the free tier, it will say, like if you try to render a free tier book, it will say, you know, thank you.
	And here are the corporate sponsors that have made this possible.
	Beautiful.
	You know, and then continue and you can get your free book.
	So we welcome corporate sponsors.
	They can contact us at support at brightlearn.ai or individuals if they want to donate to this project.
	And the minimum donation is $10,000.
	But if you want to do that, it's tax deductible because we do have our 501c3 nonprofit.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Beautiful.
	What an amazing, what an amazing time to be alive.
	Isn't it, though?
	It really is.
	It really is.
	A year from now, Todd, when we come back, I mean, I can't imagine what we're going to be talking about a year from now.
	It's going to seem like the future from today, you know, I mean, like 20 years in the future.
	I know.
	And you know what today made me so happy is, you know, how you found me is I covered private crypto for three and a half years.
	And I have always wanted to write my book on private crypto called Exchanging Value Privately.
	And I'm going to do that.
	Yes.
	You have all the knowledge.
	You have the transcripts of your interviews.
	Absolutely.
	You should feed all that into the engine, man.
	I'm telling you, but now I get it, right?
	Today was wonderful for me because I went through the process just once.
	And that's what I encourage everybody out there.
	Look, a lot of this, whether it's writing a song on Suno or, you know, just even in the beginning of screw Google, you know, go to brightu.ai and just start putting in some prompts and asking it questions.
	Just get used to doing that.
	And then all of a sudden, Suno, you blow your own mind that you just created a song that you directed and it's awesome.
	Yeah.
	And you can write a book and it's awesome.
	You know, all of these things.
	But yeah, there's a difference between making progress and making process.
	And a lot of times people make good process by contemplating and considering and saying, yeah, I've been listening about the UNAs for a year now.
	Well, now it's December and they want to make good progress to acquire their UNA to benefit from it, right?
	Don't be the process person.
	Make progress.
	And that's true across all of these initiatives, Mike.
	And let me add one important point about our book engine because some people are under the belief that, oh, well, I can just have ChatGPT write a book for me.
	Not like these books.
	No way.
	Not a chance because ChatGPT will lecture you about how vaccines are so great and why gold is a useless relic.
	And it's all just globalist narratives in Gemini, ChatGPT, Microsoft, all of them.
	All of them.
	We had to go full Terminator mind wipe on the base models and re-educate them with reality, which took us two years to master that process.
	And even right now, Todd, right now, just one subset of my data curation workstations are finalizing sorting through 250,000 published books.
	Wow.
	Out of millions.
	It was only a quarter of a million that were English.
	Okay.
	So we took the quarter million in English.
	We're going through those with alignment, classification prompts, and then normalization procedures.
	By Christmas, I'm going to have some subset of those 250,000 books added to the reference indexing engine that is used by our book engine to write the books.
	So in other words, suppose if you wanted to write a book and I said to you, hey, before you write that book, I want you to read a quarter of a million other books to make sure you know everything on the subject.
	You would say, well, that's going to take a lifetime.
	Or it could take 16 minutes with our book engine.
	You see?
	So that's going live, well, hopefully by Christmas, but certainly by the end of the year.
	That's crazy.
	And that's just the beginning.
	Well, that's what Wild before the show, when I went to my book, The Belly Fat Deception, I looked through it and I realized that my prompt to where I directed it to where it should look for backup content and everything, the citations were in there.
	They were giving full credit to the different places and it was very, it was, each chapter was variable.
	It wasn't like it just went to one website and just harnessed all their information.
	No, there was an interview with you to where you talked about something with a medical person.
	You know what I'm a naturopath.
	So anyway, gosh, I can go on just talking kudos about all of this, Mike.
	Well, when it's well engineered, just like a magic trick, it looks like magic, but it isn't.
	Yeah.
	It's actually hard work and lots of practice.
	It is.
	That's a great point.
	Great point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Enough hard work looks like magic.
	Okay.
	Well, Todd, this has been another amazing episode.
	And I'm just so thrilled about this format and how this show has really taken on a life of its own.
	It's even growing in popularity and reach.
	And I just want to thank you for all your contributions and for all the guests that you invite and your questions that you almost never get a chance to ask.
	But it's a pleasure doing the show.
	I do have to share that this weekend I went on, got my 10,000 steps in and I had a question for Chris Sullivan, which everybody should go back to our last interview.
	I believe it was the last interview and watch it.
	He was amazing.
	They were both amazing.
	And I was talking to Chris and he said that he had sent links to that interview to all of his clients and he got resounding feedback that everyone loved it so much because of how practical conversation and counsel was.
	And he thought that was so cool that he's been sending out links to interviews that he's been on for years.
	And that was the one that got the most response he shared.
	It must be the after party too.
	If Chris would only get into the habit of wearing his own mullet, that would be perfect.
	We'll have to have him back.
	Right.
	Chris Mullet Sullivan.
	Chris Mulletvin, actually, would be the correct name.
	But the thing is, I think you and I both agree, Todd.
	If we can't have fun doing this show, we're not doing it.
	No, we aren't.
	Because life is so interesting.
	And it's hilarious at times.
	It's a blast.
	I mean, we got to have fun in everything that we do while we're exploring freedom and liberty and knowledge and uplifting humanity.
	And this format.
	makes it happen.
	So it's a blessing.
	It's just a blessing.
	It is.
	And I happen to think that people that are, you know, on air and take themselves so seriously, I just don't find those people authentic.
	And I think that's what people appreciate is our authenticity because we can crack a joke.
	And, you know, and the other thing is, look, we're not censored.
	So it's not like we're worried about somebody kicking us off in the air.
	Yeah, I have no boss.
	I've been looking for one.
	Can't find one.
	If you don't like what you hear, then you can file for a refund.
	My producer says he's the boss because he can shut us off.
	Yeah, he can.
	In the control room over there.
	By the way, year end, kudos and thanks to the producers of this show.
	They're the unsung heroes.
	They're behind the scenes.
	Hey, they built this whole studio.
	They did.
	And I'm just grateful to draft in their wake because they make this happen.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you should write a book about that.
	Drafting in the wake of producers.
	It's either drafting in the wake or waking in the draft, I think, is a middle of the day.
	That would be the buccaneers falling asleep in the draft.
	Falling asleep in the draft.
	That's great.
	Okay.
	Well, that's our show today, Todd.
	We'll leave it there before we lose our minds even more.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Great show today.
	Have a wonderful rest of your evening, and we'll talk again soon.
	All right.
	Thanks, Mike.
	See you, everybody.
	Cheers.
	Thanks for watching, everybody.
	Mike Adams here of Brighteon.com.
	And the book engine, again, is at brightlearn.ai.
	And if you want to see all the books, including Todd's books and my books, they're all available free of charge at books.brightlearn.ai.
	And I actually show my screen for a second, if you would, please.
	Right now, what do we have?
	Look, here's a book, Awakening the Player.
	I was just talking about like the football draft.
	Books on blood pressure breakthroughs, 2026, toxins in plain sight, the frequency of life, the pH balanced diet, tax exemption unlocked.
	Oh, I wonder what that's about.
	That's interesting.
	The belly fat deception.
	I've heard of that book.
	Here it is right here.
	So anyway, lots and lots of books.
	There's over 633 books available right now.
	We've had almost 46 or over 46,000 downloads of these books.
	So there you go.
	That's crazy.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for all your support, everybody.
	And be sure to check out all the other episodes at decentralize.tv.
	Thanks for watching today.
	Take care.
	Cheers.
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