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Inside the MAGA Rift: Gary Heavin Breaks Down the Real Power Struggle
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There is a strategy the enemy uses that they refer to as divide and conquer.
And it is getting very divisive.
We're going to see our movement for America first fall apart.
And again, this is not an accident.
This is not a product of nature.
It has been done by design.
This is benefiting those very people that are behind the curtains.
Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, and I'm joined in studio today by an extraordinary man, a great patriotic American, just a brilliant person as well, Gary Haven.
Welcome to the show today, Gary.
Thank you, Mike.
I am really excited to be here with you.
I'm excited to have you here.
I've been wanting to get you here for a while.
You came in through an innovative transportation technique today.
Is it okay that I tell the audience?
Sure.
Yeah, you landed your helicopter right outside the studio and walked on in.
So no traffic for you today.
That's great, but welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm always glad to be here.
Really an honor.
You know, you're the tip of the spear on so many things.
And I'm just proud to be able to stand beside you.
So thanks for having me.
Well, thank you so much for all that you do and all the people that you have supported across the years in alternative media and so much more.
A lot of people have no idea how much you've given to this country of your time and resources.
Flying rescue missions, for example, during the Texas floods, using your helicopter, donating all the fuel, the maintenance, your time, et cetera.
And I know you didn't come here to say any of that, but I just want to say it on your behalf.
Thank you for all that you do.
Thanks for saying it.
Now, we want to talk about, maybe I'll call it the Civil War inside the MAGA movement right now.
I don't know if that's the right term, but where do you want to begin on this conversation?
Yeah, let's start there.
Everybody's watching right now Marjorie Taylor Greene, for example, in her split with Trump, Thomas Massey, who happens to be a friend of mine, by the way, and Ram Paul, who's also a friend of mine.
And they're seeing this split in the MAGA movement.
And, you know, these things don't happen by accident.
There is a strategy the enemy uses that they refer to as divide and conquer.
And it is getting very divisive.
And if those of us that care about this country don't begin to talk about this and push back, we're going to see our movement for America first fall apart.
And again, this is not an accident.
This is not a product of nature.
It has been done by design.
And probably the most interesting aspect of it is the Judeo-Christian aspect of it, because Tucker and Candace have begun to talk about these things after Charlie Kirk.
And this is benefiting those very people that are behind the curtains.
So I want to talk about that today with you.
Well, I'm really glad you want to talk about all of this.
And I just want to say up front, don't censor yourself on anything.
Just lay it all out here for us, what you want to say, because these names that you've mentioned for a lot of people, they're very hot-button names.
But they also happen to be names that I personally support strongly because I believe, for example, Representative Massey is a man of integrity.
He walks his walk.
He grows some of his own food.
He knows what it's like to be a person who physically gets things done.
And the fact that, I mean, these are just my opinions, but the fact that Marjorie Taylor Greene is being, you know, pushed out and mentioned her resignation, this is very disappointing because I want to put America first, bottom line.
But you take it away wherever you want to go with this conversation.
Okay.
You know, I was fortunate to have Thomas Massey as a lunch guest at my ranch recently.
And so we had several hours just to really go into things.
You know, when they went after him, he was the only vote on the budget issue against Trump, the only Republican vote.
And I was on the phone with him, and he was laughing.
And he said the worst thing that happened is he'll have to leave Washington and go back to real life.
Not such a horrible thing.
Exactly.
You know, these people that stand up and fight, there's very few of them.
You know, when you look at the votes that put Israel first instead of America first, oh, man, we're in a minority.
And so that's probably a good place to start.
And also, let me give a warning to the audience.
We all have a paradigm, a perspective that we look at evidence through.
The way I describe it, the mind is like a microscope where you examine evidence so that you can come to a rational conclusion with actionable results.
Now, we just took a tour of your laboratory over there.
What would happen if all of your microscopes were not focused correctly?
It would be really difficult, first of all, to come to a conclusion and certainly not the correct one.
Well, we're all kind of that way too.
And our microscopes that we look through are shaped by our paradigm and the way we've been taught and we've been affiliated with and so forth.
But people that think critically, they stop and consider the perspective.
You know, when you find yourself coming to a conclusion that these leaders or these people are stupid, you really need to stop and think about it.
Maybe it's your paradigm that needs to be shifted because these people in leadership are not stupid.
They wouldn't get there if they were.
So we need to come to the conclusion, why would certain people act the way they have?
And there's so many examples.
You know, we just went through this COVID criminal nightmare.
For example, 90% of medical doctors thought it was a good idea to take an experimental vaccine.
And they're the best educated people in our country.
How could that possibly happen?
Well, their paradigm was wrong.
They were looking at things through a microscope that was shaped by not just an allegiance, but almost a religion to CDC and the other institutions.
The education you're referring to is just a very narrow kind of indoctrination, I would argue, right, in Western medical school.
So having high proficiency in a narrow area doesn't translate into wisdom or street smarts outside of that.
Exactly.
And it doesn't prepare you to examine evidence very, very effectively.
In fact, the entire education system is broken and has been for a number of generations.
It's broken in this way.
The education system teaches that intelligence is the ability to repeat and remember.
I'm laughing at the absurdity of it.
But you're right.
Parrots are apparently very intelligent birds because they can repeat and remember.
The problem with repeat and remember is it has nothing to do with how to think.
It's all about what to think.
And then the other problem with education is they teach that they reward conformity.
And then the third problem is that they teach that truth comes from people in authority.
So you look at the medical situation we had as we went through this COVID nightmare.
Well, these doctors were very skilled at remembering and repeating.
To get through medical school, you have to conform.
You have to repeat what someone's shown you, or you won't last very long there.
And unfortunately, they trust people in authority for truth, like the CDC, you know, or the National Institute of Health.
And we now know that those institutions were captured.
They were captured by the industries that they were supposed to regulate.
And all that's coming out now.
But those that we consider the most intelligent were really the least able to think for themselves.
And we watched so many physicians that saw the truth, saw the evidence, and they lost their license, they were threatened, they were censored.
So we went through all that.
So let me say to your audience today, try to open your mind about some of the paradigms we're going to be talking about today, which kind of brings us back to this Judeo-Christian doctrine.
Before we go there real quick, I just want to offer a slogan for people.
The cult you never see is the one you're in.
Okay.
Yes.
Right.
And like medicine can be considered a kind of, or Western allopathic medicine is a kind of cult.
Yeah.
And they never see it when they're in it, right?
Yeah.
But this is a treacherous phenomenon for all of us to be caught up in a paradigm that doesn't have reality or truth backing it.
So I just want to preempt.
No, that's a great statement.
And, you know, we all, those of us that are Christians that have gone through the doctrination and this Judeo-Christian indoctrination is one of them.
And I'm going to create some real enemies on your program right now for saying this, but that's okay because the truth is worth it.
And right now, the light has been shining on this idea that if you bless Israel, you'll be blessed.
If you curse Israel, you'll be cursed.
And I could talk about this pretty well because I was a Christian Zionist for many, many, many years.
I believed the doctrine.
But I kind of woke up about 10 years ago when I realized that it really wasn't supported biblically.
Then I began to study it and found out that that doctrine didn't exist for the first 1,800 years of the church.
It really only came about at the beginning of the 1800s with Charles Darby, who was a Scottish minister who began to talk about that.
And then we find out that the Schofield Bible, which was funded by the Rothschilds, and Schofield himself was a disbarred attorney who'd abandoned his family, didn't have any biblical, but he was funded and was paid to go to Switzerland to write the information that theoretically supported the Bible.
And then the published publication of it was funded by Rosshaw.
And that Bible was sent to the Baptist Theological Seminary, the Moody Bible Center back in the early 1900s.
And that's the origin of this doctrine of Christian Zionism.
Now, the problem is today we see Israel killing tens of thousands of Palestinian children.
We see the leaders in Israel referring to the Palestinians as vermin, as subhuman.
And so, along my research these last 10 years, I did something that most Christians do not do.
I read...
You read the Bible?
Well, because I have.
I've noticed that a lot of Christians don't know anything about certain parts of the Bible, but that's a side point.
Go ahead.
Yeah, but of course, that was part of it.
But the other thing I did that most Christians don't do is I read the Talmud.
Yes, very important.
Yes.
And in the Talmud, if you're a Christian, you need to pay attention to what the Talmudic Jews think of us.
Yes.
We're considered subhuman.
They consider us slightly above animals, goium, cattle is how they refer to us.
But they've been able to convince probably 60% of all Christendom in the United States that they are the chosen people and that we've got to honor them and so forth.
And when you get back to the Bible, what did Jesus say about the Jews at the time, the ones that put him on the cross?
Well, he referred to them as the sons of Satan, the synagogue of Satan.
And yet, you know, here we are, and we're watching Israel kill these children.
And, you know, the last report was 45,000 Palestinians have been killed.
I saw 66,000 from the Palestinian Health Authority recently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, those numbers are from a year and a half ago.
Oh, okay, okay.
Which is part of the lie.
Right.
On average, they kill 100 Palestinian children a day.
And when you consider that 70% of the Palestinians are women and children, they have nothing to do with Hamas.
Right.
They are committing genocide.
And a lot of Christians are seeing this.
Again, and we're talking about evidence, right?
And so these are supposed to be the chosen people.
We're supposed to honor them and so forth.
But they're committing genocide, right?
And by the way, if you talk about this in public, the Trump administration will censor you.
The media will censor you.
Most either side of the party for simply stating the obvious.
Now, I have this problem that I've had really all of my life.
I don't allow myself to be censored.
I am a human being.
I have intelligence.
I'm able to look at information, at evidence, and make my own decision.
And I'm not going to let people tell me that I'm not allowed to say something.
And I'm afraid you're afflicted with the same problem.
Indeed, we share that common trait.
So I'm not trying to convince anybody that happens to have been taught the doctrine of Christian Zionism.
What I'm trying to do is get people to think, to just consider the evidence that's in front of them.
That's all.
That perhaps your paradigm was shaped by information that wasn't accurate.
I can't tell you how many times I've shifted my paradigm since I've been an adult and continue to do so.
But people are hesitant to shift their paradigm because it's uncomfortable.
And add to that something that's called cognitive dissonance.
And the definition of cognitive dissonance is when two conflicting ideas or values come along and you're having to consider both of them.
Let's use Winston in 1984, the book 1984.
He's a great example.
And we're kind of living in 1984 right now, especially with this information war that's going on right now.
You know, Winston began to wake up and realize that the reality that he'd been taught, much like the reality we're being taught, wasn't based on truth.
You know, the Ministry of Truth, for example, was just the opposite of that.
And the Ministry of Love, which is the opposite of that.
And so when they captured him and began to brainwash him, it wasn't enough to get him simply to deny what he had said.
He actually had to be brainwashed to the point where he believed what they were saying was true.
And so we're in a real similar paradigm right now where, you know, we're told we're not allowed to talk about this stuff.
We're told that we have to repeat it and tell the line.
It's the same thing with LBGTA, whatever letters are using now.
There's a Q in there somewhere.
Yeah, I've lost track of it.
Nor do I really care much about it because the truth is you're born with a gender.
If you have a Y chromosome, if you have a stick shift and you're not an automatic, you're probably a guy, right?
This is pretty simple stuff to me.
But there's so many people, you know, but in the same way, I love what you just said.
In the same way, God's chosen people would never murder God's children.
If they were truly God's chosen people, because all children are children of God across every religion and belief system.
Yeah.
They're all children of God because there's just one Creator.
And so I had a similar path as you.
I used to, by default, support Israel.
I just didn't know.
Didn't know anything about the Nakba or 1948.
I didn't know even about the trials of Jesus Christ himself and the Roman judge Pilate and what the Israeli, the Israel priests demanded that he be put to death and then the censorship of Christ's brother James and you can't talk about Jesus.
And then just looking at what's happening today, the wonton, the mass slaughter, the bombing of residential buildings, the bombing of hospitals, the sniper assassinations of Palestinian doctors, The missile strikes against food aid workers, these are not things.
The 130 journalists.
Yes, exactly.
They're killed, murdered.
That are targets.
The journalists are targeted to be murdered to silence them.
These are the actions of those who follow Satan, not our Creator.
It's very clear.
You know, I don't use the word Satanism a lot.
I don't just throw it out there.
But if you read the Talmud, which is the holy book of the Zionist Jews, it's a Satanist book.
And chief among the teachings is that Jews are superior.
They have a supremacy position.
Racial supremacy philosophy.
And it's so severe that they looked at people like me or my grandchildren.
Matter of fact, the word for a Gentile woman is a shitzka, which loosely translates to prostitute.
And the daughter, the little girl of a Gentile woman is a little shitzka.
That's how they view us.
And from that supremacy, they're allowed to commit genocide.
They're allowed to create pornography in this country, which has destroyed much of our youth.
They're allowed to create feminism and all the damage that it's done.
And he ran a lot of the illegal migration into the U.S.
Yeah, you and I both are friends with Michael Jan.
Michael Jan documents this.
And have talked about the Israeli facilities down there where they bring these people in and give them a card and bus traffic and so yeah, they're heavily involved in the border traffic.
You know, then you have Epstein, which was really a mosaic operation.
Clearly.
And I believe.
And Candace Owens knows the truth.
Yep.
She's boldly reporting it and being viciously threatened.
Yeah.
And then there's 9-11, which I believe was certainly a Mossad operation as well to get the United States against Israel's enemies in the Middle East.
Yeah.
It's all obvious now, isn't it?
Well, it is to if we're thinking about it right now.
Yes.
And so that kind of brings me back to this shift of paradigm, right?
And so, and to your audience, just think critically and open-mindedly about what I'm about to say.
Right now you're faced with two conflicting ideas and values.
Well, if you're a Christian Zionist and you believe that you've got to bless the Jews and they're God's chosen people, but you also see that they're killing thousands of children and referring to them as vermin.
You know, they're shooting these children deliberately.
And how do I know that?
Well, the Israel Defense League brags about it.
There's a shirt that they wear of a pregnant Palestinian woman with a target on her, and they call it a two-for-one.
Oh, my.
And this is all out there.
So if you're a thinking person and you're a Christian Zionist in particular, you're faced with two conflicting sets of evidence right now.
And here's the problem with that.
The definition of cognitive dissonance sets in.
And you're wrestling between the two, and it's very uncomfortable.
And so because of the discomfort of the cognitive dissonance, you irrationally go to a conclusion to try to relieve the discomfort that's there.
Well, that's not good enough for somebody who can think critically.
It's not good enough for a Christian that is commanded to pursue truth by the very author of truth, Jesus himself.
We have to be willing to be brave and get over our discomfort and examine the evidence through a microscope that's looking at evidence through the correct paradigm, a paradigm that simply allows for any outcome, regardless of the doctrine that you may have spent 20 or 30 years believing, like I did.
And the only conclusion you can come to is you need to do evidence.
You need to look for evidence on what this Israeli value system is based on.
And you need to begin to read their literature.
You need to look for things.
And you've got a problem because guess who controls all of the media in the United States?
It's all Jewish control.
And so if you go to the mainstream media, you're only going to see redoctrination and the narrative.
You know, Charlie Kirk, and I'm not really getting off target here, but who had means, motive, and opportunity to kill this young man?
And we know for a fact, and Candace is really a hero.
Candace Owens has talked a lot about this.
And Tucker, to his great credit, has been talking about it as well.
Well, if my woman like all of a sudden, you know, they looked at Charlie Kirk's killing, and everybody knew that he had begun to start talking about his allegiance to Israel because he began to wake up to the genocide and so forth.
He said Turning Point USA was no longer going to do the bidding of Israel.
Yes.
Under his leadership.
Yep.
And then he was dead a few days later.
So they had motive.
They certainly had means.
You know, the Mossad.
Yes.
You know, Israel is.
They can put explosives in pagers.
I mean, come on.
Israel is known as the assassination nation.
That's a practice of what they do.
In fact, the code of the Mossad is make war through deception, right?
And so none of this is really surprising, and it's an easy conclusion to come to if you're looking at the evidence, no matter how uncomfortable it is.
Well, and look at how many leaders Mossad assassinates in Iran or Lebanon or the exploding power or Yemen.
I mean, this is routine.
It's not a secret.
They brag about it, actually.
Yeah.
But the disturbing thing about all of this is that it appears they have completely captured the Trump administration.
And even our own senator, Ted Cruz, here in Texas.
He repeats the same propaganda like an eight-year-old Bible school child.
If we bless Israel, then God blesses us.
It's just like, yeah, I have a language model that can just repeat the same answer better than Ted Cruz.
I mean, this is the danger that we have senators and presidents and cabinet members who are not thinking critically in the way that you're encouraging.
Yeah, in fact, let's go down that road a little bit because that'll help people to understand how America is not first in the priority of most of the political leadership of our country.
And it's a product of APAC.
APAC is a Jewish organization that should be registered as a foreign PAC, not allowed to operate the way they do.
And they have massive funding, and a lot of it comes from the government.
U.S.AID was funding AIPAC with tax dollars so that our politicians could support Israel over our interests.
It's an extraordinary thing.
So, which brings us to Thomas Massey.
When he ran for Congress the previous term, he had stood up, and in fact, he'd been on Tucker, and he said that every member of Congress, with the exception of himself, had a Jewish babysitter, which was extraordinary that he said that.
And I think that's what got Tucker on the track of this.
And that's true, because there's so much money that APAC has available to fund elections, particularly primaries.
That's where they get their controls in their primaries.
So the last time that Thomas Massey ran for office, APAC funded one of his opponents in the primary to the tune of $600,000.
Came right from APAC, a lot of money.
In spite of that, and in spite of there being three people in the primary, Thomas Massey won with about 70% of the vote.
He just kicked ass, right?
And so here he is now.
Trump himself, who's called Massey an idiot, right, is creating a PAC to get Massey out of office.
One of the very few people that are putting America first, and the Trump administration has gone to war against him.
I'm one of Thomas Massey's largest donors because this man is a lone voice in the wilderness right now.
Well, I am happy to help support Massey's campaign.
Love to have him on the show because we agree philosophically on domestic politics in so many areas, food sustainability, for example, but importantly, America first.
And the question I have for you, let me show you this first.
Here is a painting that I purchased from a Palestinian woman who escaped Gaza and was able to make it to Egypt.
And she painted this in Cairo after losing several family members who were bombed to death and killed by the IDF.
She painted the, there's her signature there.
She painted this as her memory of what Gaza used to look like before Israel wiped it out.
And that is genocide.
And that is a crime against humanity.
And you know, when you compare that to what it looks like now, how do you call that justice?
That's absolute destruction.
But politically, my question to you is, and feel free to disagree with me, you know, free speech is always on track here.
But I believe that if the Trump administration doesn't exorcise this Zionist infiltration of MAGA, that the Democrats are going to win the midterms with a substantial influx.
They're going to control the House and the Senate.
They will begin impeachment proceedings, investigations, and then they'll win in 2028 if things still function by then.
I think politically this is disastrous for the GOP, and Trump is taking the GOP down a suicide path politically.
That's my take.
What do you say?
Well, let me, I agree with you.
Let me, let me frame it this way.
Right now you have the alternative media split down the middle on this issue.
So Shapiro is calling Tucker names and Tucker's calling Ted Cruz names and...
And I'm calling everybody names.
I had a debate with him one day.
If we have time, I may share it with you.
But this divide and conquer strategy is not by action.
It is by design.
And the men behind the curtain, okay, that orchestrate these affairs right now are just laughing at us as MAGA people.
And so the first thing we have to do is we have to agree to disagree on a few things.
You know, our country being put first has got to be the only point.
And of course, we're going to have to tolerate so many of the politicians that are putting Israel first.
And even Trump.
You know, I've met Trump a couple of times.
I actually like him.
He's a nice guy.
He's really a brilliant man.
He says some really stupid things sometimes, which are unnecessary.
But then I suppose we all do.
But for the sake of our country, we've got to agree to disagree on a few things.
And that doesn't mean that those of us that see the evidence on Israel and putting Israel first tolerate that or agree to it, as I used in the example of Winston in 1984.
You know, they're wrong.
But we have so much to worry about right now.
Keeping the border closed.
Getting our spending in order.
Staying out of World War III.
All of these things right now are critical.
And, you know, when it comes to Trump, here's something to speculate on this a little bit.
But, you know, I'm certain it was the Mossad who arranged for crooks to try to kill Trump.
No kidding.
And, you know, you and I had actually had this discussion about the ballistics.
Probably wasn't even crooks who fired it.
He was shot and killed, as most patsies are.
Oswald is an example.
But I think the Mossad sent Trump a message that he had to toe the line.
And, you know, he went along with the narrative of this lone gunman with crooks right after he got shot when it was really nonsensical.
Well, the same with the FBI covering up the Charlie Kirk killing.
I mean, the official narrative makes zero sense.
No.
Yeah.
You know, you're a ballistics expert.
Yes.
And I knew the day when they said a .30-06 was stopped by his neck.
I knew instantly it was bogus.
You know, it's funny.
It's so bogus that it's almost like they, like building number seven free-falling from a furniture fire, okay?
Right.
It's preposterous.
And it's almost like they laugh at us for believing such preposterous things, like a .30-06 bullet being lodged in the neck of somebody.
You know, I'm a hunter, and my choice of weapon is a .30-06.
I know what it'll do.
And, you know, leaving a little spot on the neck.
Yeah, and imagine at under 200 yards when it has higher velocity.
Yeah.
Right?
2,500 pounds, I think, which is the number.
Foot-pounds of energy, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it can be higher depending on the round load.
Yeah.
But it's, yeah, no human neck is going to stop that.
So they kind of give us a clue because of the ridiculousness of so many of the claims.
Whether it's the building falling down or Charlie Kirk or Crooks.
Or that destroying Gaza is self-defense.
Yeah.
Destroying all the hospitals and mosques and Christian temples is self-defense.
Yeah.
Every building they bomb, they say, well, there might have been Hamas hiding in it.
Yeah.
That's absurd.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's nonsense.
And so there's two things we should do to answer your question.
First of all, we need to agree to disagree if we have to on the Israeli question.
But number two is those of us that know the truth have got to say the truth.
We have to confront out loud the ridiculousness, the myths, the nonsense that's coming out there.
And it's not just the political issues that are there.
But I was listening to the radio on the way over here and a woman was talking about, she's running for political office somewhere around here.
And abortion and, and she was promoting it and so forth.
You know, abortion to the day of delivery is murder.
Okay.
And, and I can understand where some people, and I don't agree with this, you know, might support it up to three months.
But to the day of delivery, no, let's just call it what it is.
We need to speak out and call it what it is.
A man having a baby.
Okay.
We need to speak up and call it what it is.
The, the idea that, that you can take transgenderism, that children are afflicted with it and, and cutting off their genitals or their breasts is a good idea is, is, is ridiculous.
It's nonsense.
And we need to have the courage to speak up and, and tell it the way it is.
Yes.
And, and it's extraordinary that we live in a country that 45% of the people would vote for, for, you know, this cackling hyena that never did anything productive in real life for, for president.
That's, it's a scary thing.
Witch cackling hyena, Hillary or Kamala?
No, I was thinking of Kamala.
Your choice of cackling hyenas.
I have other names for, for the witch, Hillary.
You know, I think I was on the Clinton hit list for a while for my work in Haiti.
I'm sure.
And, and, you know, when she, when she lost the election, I thought I was on free and I was in Haiti for six weeks doing air rescue after Hurricane Matthew.
And, a week or so after the election when Trump won, this young woman, 26 year old, was in Haiti and, and she was a volunteer researcher on child sex trafficking that was looking at the Clintons.
And, and they killed her.
They assassinated her.
not, but a few blocks from where I was staying after Hillary lost.
And, I realized that I better continue to arm up at least for a while longer.
Yeah, these are nasty people who have a value system where the end justifies the means including murder or lying or whatever.
But, we have to stand up and speak the truth to power.
We have to not be afraid of it.
And, the more of us speak out, the more people are going to listen.
And, and as we're going to the midterms, speak truth, but, but, you've got to be careful to, to maintain some unity because divide and conquer right now with MAGA is the, is the, the battle that's being perpetrated on us right now.
And we've got to mend it to some degree.
I hear what you're saying.
We've got to have unity because America under Democrat control would be catastrophic and probably most prominent conservatives would be thrown in prison.
Yeah.
And, the Democrats absolutely want to, I believe, they want to completely destroy the Constitutional Republic.
Yeah.
But, but then the choice then is, do I vote for this GOP member that's an AIPAC puppet?
Like, let's take Senator Ted Cruz.
Yeah.
The, the population of Jews in Texas is something like 0.2% Yeah.
or something.
But, every other tweet from Ted Cruz is honoring Israel and saying nothing about Texas, it seems.
Yeah.
It's like, I'm happy to support a GOP member if they, if they would represent their constituents for God's sake.
And that, and that goes for President Trump.
He, he, he needs to honor the people who put him in power, or the people who elected him, the MAGA promise, you know, where are the Epstein files?
We're never going to see them, but what about the arrests of the traitors?
You know, Jim Comey just got, his case just got dismissed by another corrupt judge in my opinion.
But, how do we ethically vote for members of a party that is infiltrated and compromised and will never put America first?
I mean, how, to, I'm trying to figure this out too before we go to the polls next year.
And I don't like the answer, but we, we have to be practical.
As long as the majority, the vast majority of our leadership, Congress, Senate, the presidency is controlled by AIPAC, that's as good as we're going to get.
And remember, I said, we've got to, you know, we've got to hold our nose, you know, we've got to vote for the people that are, that are the, the, the lesser of the evils.
But we have to speak in the meantime.
Got it.
And we have to shine a light.
So it's a hybrid approach.
And in time, if we're doing our job, AIPAC is going to be exposed.
Thomas Massey did a massive job of it, right?
Yes.
So did Marjorie Taylor Greene.
And those of us that are awake and understand this now, we just need to shout it, shout it from the rooftops without fear, because they're going to try to censure you.
It may be worse, but we have to be brave and have to tell the truth.
And, and we don't need everybody to wake up.
We need a, a 10% of the American people to wake up and be able to speak the truth about this.
And in the meantime, we have to hold our nose and vote for these people that are bought and paid for by, by foreign power.
And, and that's as good as it's going to get.
I wish, you know, I had a magic wand, but I don't.
Suppose that you and I do that, but there are a large number of people who are considered politically independent who did vote for Trump because, of course, Kamala looked so horrifically bad, but also Trump had a lot of promise to many independents of things that he was going to do for America.
And since then, what has happened is that inflation has gotten worse.
The White House keeps gaslighting us and telling us that food costs are going down when they're clearly not.
Job losses are accelerating dramatically, including a lot of middle manager high-paying jobs, you know, $100,000 jobs, which I guess isn't high pay anymore because of inflation.
But what's happening in reality is that, at least this is, I would think that a lot of independents who voted for Trump and the MAGA movement are going to sit out the next election because MAGA has become MIGA, M-I-G-A, make Israel great again.
So even if we vote, the independents are going to stay home or maybe switch back to the Democrat side.
Yeah, and we can't stay home, obviously.
Now, Trump has done a lot of good things.
The crossing of the border now is barely measurable.
Wonderful thing he's done.
This volunteer to return program where they pay the airfare, a million and a half immigrants have taken advantage of it, gone home.
And by the way, they could end the border crisis if they stopped funding Section 8 housing and Medicaid and so forth, which brings up another point.
The government shutdown by the Democrats was because Trump was going to stop funding Medicaid for the millions of immigrants here.
They can't afford to live here without all of that government money.
That's right.
So Trump's done a really good job with that.
He also has not sent our kids to war.
Not yet.
Not yet.
But I'm...
We're not out of it yet, though, either.
It's not, but his first term, he avoided it, and now, so far, he's avoided it.
And the Venezuela thing, I don't think he's going to censor our kids there.
No, no, I don't think so either.
I'm more worried about war with Iran.
Well, you know, I think he sent five of our B2s over there, which put it at risk, but in the grand scheme of things, you know, he's really kept a lot of his promises, and so we have to give him credit for that.
And you've got to remember, he's working under constraints that we don't understand.
That's true.
I believe these people tried to kill him to send him a message, and then they killed Charlie Kirk, which was a strong message to Trump, too, right?
No kidding.
No kidding.
So we have to give him some room to work and consider the good he's done along with the bad.
And that kind of brings me to my point.
We have to compromise with these people that are going to be elected if we support them, because it's certainly the lesser of the evil.
And in time, if people like Tucker continues to talk to that massive audience he has and wakes them up to the intolerable influence that AIPAC has and the Jewish money and Netanyahu and, you know, who's in the criminal courts right now, they're trying to convict him.
And so forth.
So this stuff is shining a light on it.
In fact, one of the scary things is that the Zionists know they've been exposed and are now countering that in a variety of ways.
And their ultimate goal, Mike, is to bring this country down.
You know, both Soros and Kissinger said this, and this is a great quote to hang on to.
The only thing standing in the way of the new world order is a strong America.
Yes.
They need America to diminish those people that are behind the curtain, those globalists.
And so they have, through the central banking system, through the major funding organizations of BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard, have all Jewish controlled, Borla at Pfizer.
Pfizer.
they have poisoned, bankrupt, they have controlling interests in 90% of the Fortune 500 companies, including Disney and all of the gay nonsense Disney promoted, and the Budweiser transgender beer commercial that cost Budweiser billions of dollars in worth.
So they are really hitting it hard at harming the United States, at diminishing it, because we're standing in the way of their global plan.
You're absolutely right, and you're right to give Trump credit for the things that he has accomplished, and you're correct, that we can't possibly understand the pressures, the threats, maybe blackmail, threats on family members, all those kinds of things that probably go on, but the thing that hurts me the most, as someone who voted for Trump twice, not in the last election, because of the Zionist influence, by the way.
Really?
Yes, but I voted for him twice, just not this time, is that he attacks America first people.
He attacks Senator Rand Paul.
He attacks Thomas Massey.
He attacks Marjorie Taylor Green.
He attacks the people that you and I know actually embody the principles that will keep America strong, and so if we want to resist the globalist engineered demolition of this constitutional republic, we need to support people like Massey, people that Trump is raising $20 million to go against Massey in the next primary.
That's all wealthy Jewish donor money, to destroy Massey's chances in Congress.
So Trump is actively working against a strong America when he does things like that.
That's the issue that I have.
Yeah.
I agree.
it's very difficult to swallow this.
It comes down to a practical solution.
You go to war with what you got, and we're going to have to support people like Cruz and certainly Trump and just hold our nose and do it, because they are certainly the lesser of the evils.
But as we wake people up, we can change things.
Yeah.
And that comes through decentralized information.
Yep.
Yep.
And, you know, there's going to be some crisis in our country.
Economic, the economy is not sustainable.
I want to talk about this in our next segment.
Okay.
We'll do that then.
Okay.
All right.
So we'll wrap up this segment.
Gary, I just want to say thank you so much for all that you've done and continue to do for this republic and for sharing your thoughts here in a completely uncensored format.
And I want our audience to know that we will not edit out anything that you've said here today.
Okay.
You sure about that?
I'm absolutely sure.
I am too.
I know you want.
Yeah.
There will be no censorship.
Everything you've said is on the right.
There's just one, there's one edit where my staffer brought me this, this painting.
Okay.
So if you see an edit, that's what it's about.
But thank you so much, Gary, for being here today.
It's an honor to know you.
Thank you, Mike.
It's an honor to be standing beside you in this battle.
Well, here we are.
And we're all in, all in for America, America first.
Amen.
All right.
Thank you folks for watching today.
Mike Adams here with Gary Haven at brighttown.com.
And we have another interview that you can also find at brighttown.com as well.
But thank you for watching today.
God bless America.
Everybody take care.
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