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Oct. 9, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams with Dr. Habib & Sean Cohen: The Dopamine Revolution and the War on Processed Food
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So many of these chemicals, especially in the food, affect our dopamine levels, all of the crazy chemicals that are in food, especially school food.
It's causing, you know, all of the preventable diseases we know and we all talk about.
Medicine is your food, and frankly, food can be your disease.
So let's make some good choice.
I mean, we're eating ourselves to death, and then we're medicating ourselves to death, wouldn't you say?
Welcome to today's interview on Brightchia.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighton.
And I've got a brand new guest for you who joins us with a returning guest.
And this is a topic that I think you will find incredibly fascinating because it's about brain chemistry and how to achieve your natural balance, your natural peak cognitive performance, and your mood balance without resorting to dangerous uh psychotropic prescription drugs or other radical measures.
In fact, you can use herbal supplements or different forms of herbs, and you can use other techniques that we're going to talk about here in order to maintain a maximize and balance your cognition and moods.
So joining me today, our two guests.
We have Sean Cohen and Dr. Mason Habib, who is uh these two are the authors of a book that I've promoted before called The Dopamine Revolution, Elevate Your Mind and Body Naturally.
And now they've got new information and new announcements to share with us.
We'll get into that.
So welcome to the show, both of you.
It's great to have you on.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for taking the time to join us.
And I know uh Dr. Habib, you're joining us right now from London.
So that you know, thank you for the odd hours that are required here.
Much appreciated.
Uh okay, so let's start with the premise of what we want to focus on here today.
Now, Sean, uh, we want to talk about the education system, the way that the public schools in America really mistreat students cognitively and nutritionally.
And then some of the solutions, especially for students, uh to you know, using natural approaches.
So, Sean, where would you like to start with that?
And your background with the education system will be very helpful here.
Surely.
Uh, I went to the University of Georgia.
I got a master's degree in education, and I teach uh all elementary grades, basically.
I could teach middle, but I teach elementary and all subjects, and I've taught at public schools and private schools, and through the plant the pandemic, excuse me.
And um, so I've kind of been in the middle of it all, and then I've been writing uh about toxins in food and personal care products and medicine for about 15 or 17 years.
Um, I started with a book called Don't Eat Cancer, and that was published about 11 years ago.
And that led me into studying about dopamine because I realized so so many of these chemicals, especially in the food, affect our dopamine levels.
And so that has just panned out into this beautiful research that I've done.
And I met Dr. Habib about two years ago, and we've kind of become collaborative partners in this.
And so we wrote a new book called The Dopamine Revolution, because really there's plenty of uh material about dopamine, and there's plenty out there, but most of it you need a medical degree or science background to understand what they're saying.
So we wanted to put it in layman's terms, and I really picked Dr. Habib's brain for a lot of the info.
And so then I've just brought it to the education world, and I've realized how many parents either underestimate or don't realize the lack of nutrition combined with all of the crazy chemicals that are in food, especially school food, because the kids are eating breakfast and lunch, most of them at school, and the majority of them are buying breakfast and lunch.
And the ones that bring food, I've seen what they bring out of the bags and lunch boxes, and it's usually not very pretty.
So all in order to only imagine.
They're just it's causing, you know, all of the preventable diseases we know and and we all talk about, but there's so much more to it with COVID compounded compounded everything with emotional disorders.
Uh, they couldn't have peer-to-peer interaction, group work because of the masks and the social distancing, and then the the virtual learning was absolute horror story.
I went through that.
It was very difficult.
So now you've got kids that were in elementary school then are in middle school now, and you've got kids that were in middle school in high school and they're suffering.
They're two or three years behind and they're still eating wrong.
So it's just they're coming out, and I feel sorry for them as they get into high school and college uh trying to move forward.
Yeah, gosh, you know, we when we were kids, we thought school was horrible.
We had it good compared to what these kids are going through today.
Uh Dr. Habib, let's let me ask for an intro from you.
I I do understand that you're trained in internal medicine, functional medicine, and now a focus on longevity and so much more.
But give us a little background of yourself, if you would, please.
Uh well, I graduated from the University of Sheffield in UK many, many years ago.
So I bring about 32 years of experience here.
And um really when I moved over to the States, I uh had to go through the traditional residency and internal medicine.
But when I decided to open my practice, I knew I didn't want to do what every doctor did.
I knew there had to be something different.
I didn't know what it was.
So lo and behold, I opened a fitness center and an urgent care.
I had no cognition about alternative medicine, functional medicine, complimentary medicine.
And luckily I started uh uh from not really following the system, and I'm so happy I did.
And so after 10 years of running a sort of wellness program with the gym, I actually found myself uh because of personal reasons.
My children had food allergies, one was failing to thrive, the other one had eczema from head to toe.
It really was a really uh uh a critical time for me, not only for my my family, but even the clients I was finding that I couldn't cure the diabetes, I couldn't cure the high blood pressure, all these chronic diseases, I couldn't cure them despite being trained so well.
And so I decided that I had to find the missing links, and that's how, you know, uh my uh my uh business uh office name is Next Health, but really I had to rediscover a different type of medicine, which I call and coined rethink medicine.
And that's where I am right now.
Rethink medicine is no matter what the problem is, there's got to be three different ways to deal with it.
I don't think mine is necessarily perfect, but doing the same old, same old and expecting a different result is real madness, and that's what's going on in the conventional medical world right now.
Yeah, I'm so glad to hear that from you.
And also what we suffer from here in the United States is the fact that our population is nutritionally illiterate.
They think that processed food is good for them.
And so they are living on this ultra-processed food that's mineral deficient and that's made with all kinds of excitotoxins and fillers and garbage.
And then when something goes wrong when they have a symptom, then they get prescribed a prescription drug, but they keep eating the same way that gave them the diabetes in the first place, right?
And this cycle is unsustainable.
And and this is also true, I think, in the UK and much of Western Europe as well as here in the United States.
I mean, we're eating ourselves to death, and then we're medicating ourselves to death, wouldn't you say?
It's it's an incredibly difficult situation because what I just heard some stats very recently.
There's a panel on NPR, and and these were very, very uh knowledgeable people.
We spent about 1.6 billion dollars on the food industry and 1.7 billion dollars in the medical industry.
Combine them together, the people, the public are sandwiched in the middle.
That's a lot of uh actually I said billion trillion.
This the public are sandwich in the middle between the food economic complex and the medical economic complex.
So basically, uh we're at the mercy of both.
One creates the disease, the other one perpetuates it.
And that's why I think we have to disrupt the system.
And I myself, I'm really pleased that you invited uh uh Schwan and myself to give an idea that look, medicine is your food, and frankly, food can be your disease.
So let's make some good choices.
Yeah, absolutely.
And and one more comment, too, and I know Sean, you'll appreciate this.
And uh, Dr. Habib, uh, I I I don't know where your ancestors are from, and it's actually irrelevant.
Uh, but my point is that indigenous ethnic foods, wherever groups still eat those foods around the world, whether it's the indigenous populations in the Philippines or Australia or the Middle East or anywhere, those people are still the healthiest people.
Or traditional Japanese cuisine.
They are the healthiest Japanese.
It's when all of those groups of people, when they start eating the Western diets, that's when they have the cancer, the heart disease, the diabetes, and the mental depression and all of the mental health disorders that we're going to be talking about today.
Isn't that just bizarre that like what you know, these indigenous cultures, they want to take on Western diets and then they have Western disease.
I think that uh I boil a lot of it down to the word preservatives, because you know, all of this packaged food and the bulk food that the big food serves up at the restaurants, at the schools, and in the the most of the aisles of the grocery store, it's all prepared in you know, labs and factories so that it'll last on the shelves for months or or years even.
And that's what's killing us because when we started digging into the dopamine revelation of it all, I realize, you know, it's it's it's ruining uh our gut, it's ruining the gut microbes, and then it's it's wrecking our liver and our kidneys because they're trying to filter out all of these toxins, and they can't do their job, which is to give us energy and to fuel our cognition.
And that's that's what I see in the schools.
I see the kids, they eat and 20 minutes later they got their head on their desk and they're tired, or they're absolutely hyperactive because they they they're either ODing on the sugar, the high fructose corn syrup, or the excitotoxins, the MSG, or they're obese and they're trying to eat diet foods and diet drinks and they've got aspartame wrecking their central nervous system.
So it's like this whole onslaught.
So let's let's take this now to the mental health question, because I just saw a news item yesterday that there's a new push, and I don't know if the Trump administration is pushing this or if it's coming from the education groups, or I don't know who's pushing it.
But they want to now screen all grade school children for mental health disorders every year.
And you know what that is.
That's that's a drug recruitment program to put all these kids on more drugs for big pharma because there's no treatment for mental health that the school system will embrace other than just putting them on drugs.
So you're gonna have a zombified drugged up population of school kids.
And Sean, I want to ask you, you know, what have you observed in how does that interfere with their ability to actually learn and function in a learning environment?
If they're just drugged up, I mean, yeah, they may not be hyperactive anymore.
They may not be the problem kid, but they're they're just sitting there like a zombie and not learning anything.
It's strange because you know, I had to oversee when my kids have ADD or ADHD meds.
I have to oversee it.
I got to know when they're getting it.
I know if they're getting it twice a day, when they're getting it, and I'm watching them in class or at recess or whatever.
And they will, some kids are just even keel all day.
They'll take the medicine.
I'm like, I don't even know that they're on it.
Nothing's changing.
And other ones can focus for 20 minutes and then they're done for.
So I would be like, you you got to take the quiz right now.
Take little Johnny to the back table and just give them the quiz now.
You got about 20 minutes, you're gonna be focused, and then you're gonna be all over the place.
So and then, you know, it's like you said, you it's it's like a backache with this mental health.
You can't prove or disprove who's wrong or right.
So they could they could just sling it like the DSM, the psychology manual.
You could just take any emotion or two and say, oh, you got this and that, you're bipolar.
You got this and that, oh, you're happy and then sad.
You don't know what's going on at their home life.
You don't know if they just ate pounds of gluten and sugar and are just crashing and they're just depressed from that, or the low self-esteem, because that's where the dopamine comes in again.
You got low self-esteem, low self-opinion, and they're they think they're not worthy of anything.
And then they're getting in arguments very easily.
They think that anybody who has a different opinion or says anything different than what they say is fighting with them because of like during COVID, they miss these years of social interaction.
They don't understand how to debate or how to just have a conversation.
So everything's coming at them from so many angles, and then you got all the crazy social media, You know, fake opinions and just horrible influences there.
Oh, yeah.
It's just an onslaught.
Yeah, and all kinds of crazy messages that are confusing to children, like, oh, uh, a boy can become a girl.
It's like, no, they can't.
You know, come on, come on.
Um, Dr. Habib, then your focus with Sean has been on dopamine.
And I want to ask you, why did or how or why did you decide that dopamine was the key molecule that goes awry or that can be rebalanced for the maximum benefit.
I think this answer is fairly simple.
For too long, we've been going down the serotonin path, the epinephrine path, the norepinephrine path.
Basically, all the drugs that are used now, whether it's uh you know monoamine oxidase inhibitor MOI, or it's the uh SSRIs, uh the ones that we've heard about, the Prozacs and the newer generation.
It's moving this drugs which don't work.
Now they're going to come up with uh maybe uh something for the glutamate.
Really, what's missing is the dopamine in the sense that dopamine is the most powerful antioxidants for the brain.
It's almost like when there's an injury to the brain, the dopamine comes to the rescue.
The problem is this keeps to it seem to be injury after injury.
The injury can be because of what's going on psychologically, you know, uh lack of sleep, head injury, just watching a whole bunch of uh uh you know, TV and and much more uh in dialogue.
Or the insult can be coming from the food, which you've been talking about.
I'd love to spend more time and giving people the tools of knowing where the problem is so to make make the right choices and just give you a teaser.
You know, think of food as not food for yourself, but food for your microbes.
If you nourish your microbes, you will see the benefits both in the gut area and you'll see it in the brain area, namely neurotransmitters.
So dopamine is the neurotransmitter that connects the front of the brain to the middle of the brain, to the back of the brain and the brainstem.
And so the thing about dopamine is that it is the thing that can actually help you control your blood sugar.
It is the thing that can make you happy.
I get that.
But really, how you get the dopamine.
You can't get it from the short-term gains of the sugar high and the instantaneous gratification.
There are certain strategies which I want to go into later on that can give you the natural dopamine that will build up your reserve.
But right now, most people are so low on the dopamine in the morning that they try to fill it up.
And unfortunately, as a consequence of the low dopamine in the morning, the sympathetic drive is high.
What that means is that their bodies on drive, and that drive when you're young is okay, but maybe it's not, because Sean just mentioned there's a whole bunch of kids with problems.
But really, adults are in the same boat.
They're just bigger children.
That's the problem.
So talk to us about the things that deplete dopamine beyond what you already mentioned.
I mean, obviously there can there can be some insults to the brain and to the neurology, even psychological uh stress that is translated into that.
But but what else is depleting dopamine from people's brains right now?
Right.
So I'll talk about research in a minute because that's kind of evidence-based.
But from a from a civilian point of view, just like you and me, it's the things that uh that are bad for us.
So when we're engaging in the refined carbs, particularly sugars, when we are uh uh staying up late at night, when we're watching those uh, you know, less than uh uh healthy movies, you know, let's just say the X-rayed stuff, when we're uh uh have can turn to our social media, Instagram, it it's just constant anything that's instantaneous.
Now, just to give you an example of what the healthy way of raising dopamine is anything with temporary stress.
So if you had a cold shower in the morning, now don't get don't get too worried about that, just even splashing cold water in the face uh resets the autonomic system is a is a good way to get the dopamine up.
The other one that people are missing out is getting the exposure of the UV light before noon.
In other words, the circadian rhythm starts in the day, so that at night people know how to go to sleep.
Now, you may think that's such a simple uh uh statement, but really the simple and this additive impact is very, very profound, and we need to really talk a little bit about the sarcadian rhythm in our conversation here.
So basically, the short answer is instant gratification uh is the way to lose the dopamine.
The best way to get it is temporary stress, and that can be from you know, exercise even.
So then also that means social media is also depleting dopamine because of the way the way people use social media Is it's like uh an instant hit lottery where they get instant likes and then that translates into their brain in more dopamine uh temporarily, right?
This is 100% right.
And here, uh, my myself and Sean, we're not here to preach to people and tell them to put their phones down.
Let's get real.
I have four children, and uh, you know, they're good children, I have no complaints at all.
But they they are faced with the same sort of challenges.
So what I would say is this just like for adults, if we help and guide them with times to reset.
So if you can just give your body a break, your mind a break from the social media, give your body a break from the kind of food, give your body a break by just moving your body, you know, you'll be surprised at how powerful your body is able to reset.
You know, it's not almost impossible for everyone to do the right thing all the time, even myself.
But here we want to be able to explain to people some of the simple day-to-day things they can do so they can make the right choices.
So uh uh about lifestyle, when you get up in the morning, how you move, what you uh look at.
You know, someone said very something very uh interesting.
They said it's maybe not about what's in your coffee and how much coffee you have, but when you have your coffee.
So it's almost like the same thing with social media and all these instant gratifications about the sugars and so forth.
It's not so much how much you have, but maybe when you have it.
And so I'd like to spend a little time on that one.
Now, from the medical point of view, you know, the disease is when people have depleted it at such a powerful at such a low level.
And and so the question is before people reach that level, the question must be why are the levels depleted to the point where you're diagnosed with a disease.
I'll give you a quicker teaser.
I I started the conversation by saying dopamine is the most powerful antioxidant in your brain.
And antioxidants are used to reduce oxidation.
So the question must be what is causing oxidation, and that is toxins in the brain.
That could be also be a bad diet that crosses the blood-brain barrier, toxins again.
You know, the things I just said about social media and the and and the poor lifestyle choices, those are toxic to the brain.
And therefore, you you sort of pull on the antioxidant reserve.
So, on one hand, in the less than pathological problems, the dopamine is leaking, uh, and on the pathological level, really it's all leaking at a much uh faster rate to the point where they have developed a disease.
You you've also mentioned the circadian rhythm, and I've got one more question for you on that, Dr. Habib, and then I'll go back to you, Sean.
But please talk about sunlight deficiency and the the light problems.
So when people are in the dark indoors all day, and then they're inundated with blue lights from screens, uh clearly that that's also stripping dopamine.
But then sunlight can help the body naturally recharge dopamine levels normally.
Is that correct?
That's 100% correct.
And I think we underestimate the power of nature.
We want to reproduce it with a magic pill.
And I and what I say to people is once you've broken your natural systems because you didn't value nature, it's very expensive to get it back, and in many cases you can't get it back.
So what we're about to explain, I want people to concentrate.
This is so simple, you may underestimate the power.
That the UV light or the light is a spectrum.
Nature created a spectrum for all of its benefits.
And so why people are afraid of UVs, but the oxidation, too much UV gives you uh, you know, wrinkles, that means sunbathing too much.
But what they don't know is that the light spectrum that comes after the middle of the day, after say two o'clock, that's the that's the infrared light, whether it's near infrared, far infrared, that is is uh is necessary for the mitochondria to produce 95% of the melatonin in the body.
Let me repeat that again.
That by day you need the UV light.
I'm going to explain how even 10 minutes is all you need, and how the light going into the eye is part of the circadian rhythm.
But for people who are afraid of too much UV light, understand this that later in the day, if you can get outside, that uh red light in near infrared, far infrared, penetrates your clothes and go further.
And uh, and uh so what people need to understand is that um that nature has the full spectrum and you can capitalize on it.
And why the uh the circadian rhythm is important is that when that UV light, A and B hits it hits the retina, it's communicating to hypothalamus.
It's communicating not only to say the day has started, so your body would be more climatized to know when is the night because it's got an awful lot of people with insomnia.
But not only that, there's something called POM C POMC.
It's a uh it's a chemical that is in the hypothalamus that stimulates all the hormones that lead the pituitary to produce a sex hormone and the cortisol and the thyroid.
Imagine all those hormones uh being uh stimulated by the pituitary tube only when the hypothalamus gets the signal.
And that signal is with the UV light, and that stimulates something called POMC POM CONERS OK.
In fact, I'm so glad you brought that up.
And Sean, I'm gonna bring you in here in a second, but uh I want to actually uh I want to show you something that is extraordinary that I just found the other day.
So here it is.
Um bring this up on my screen.
So I I did a story here at Natural News called The War on Light and How Governments and Big Pharma Keep You Sick by Blocking Healing Photons.
And one of the articles, the science papers that I cite on this, Dr. Habib, you will find it's very interesting as well.
Look at this melanin-like nanofibers with highly ordered structures.
So basically, these this is synthetic melanin, achieves ultra-high specific electromagnetic interference, shielding efficiency.
What this means is that when you go outside, when you get ultraviolet light exposure, and when your body, your skin cells respond with melanin, it's also shielding your body from EMF, from 5G.
Specifically, it talks about a 68% decibel reduction in 5G microwave bandwidth being able to penetrate.
So all these people out there are like, how do I protect myself from 5G?
Get a tan.
It's literally part of the answer.
Like get natural sunlight, your body adapts and it shields itself both from UV and from EMF.
So I mean, that's what the science is starting to show.
Sean, um I mean, isn't this amazing how the body is able to respond to these insults?
But you you have to understand the mechanisms.
When I was teaching, if this if it was raining outside and we could not go out for recess or pee or whatever, it was mayhem.
All the teachers suffered.
It was unbelievable how the kids respond, especially after going outside for 15 or 20 minutes and coming back in, you could just teach and get things done.
But you know, we were talking about all the toxins and food, there's a lot of it sounds so complicated, and it sounds so hard for parents and themselves, like teachers, there's a lot of unhealthy teachers out there too.
And it sounds so hard because there's just so much food out there and it's so much cheese from.
But what we're doing with the health course and with this book is we're talking about easy swaps.
Because if you look at the big picture, you're looking at, you know, the meats from the confined animal feeding operations having antibiotics and hormones in them.
And then they have to bleach them and use uh and use ammonia to kill all of the parasites and bacteria and viruses and stuff.
So the kids are getting that.
And then you've got all the emulsifiers in the bread.
And there, you know, there's bread in almost every meal in America.
And so you've got these crazy chemical like things, the softening agents in the bread, and it's just all of that and the pesticides in almost all the school food has pesticides.
And so that's what's destroying the gut.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the bombardment that the parents don't understand.
And you know, I used to just make a lot of food on the weekends and bring leftovers to school.
And then I would stock up my desk, and and any adult can do this at an office job, stock up your desk with good-for-you healthy snacks.
Sure.
You know, sunflower seeds and orange slices instead of a protein bar that has uh canola oil all in it or something.
Right, right.
Now, uh, and speaking of healthy snacks and supplements, uh, I want to bring in the fact that you both of you collaborated on producing a gum, just a chewing gum that also releases uh precursors or I I should say uh an herbal extract that helps the body naturally produce dopamine.
So what's uh what's the name of this gum?
So we we've been developing it and improving it, and it's called dopamine gum.
And we just produced about 10,000 packs worth.
And so we're going to uh market that this fall.
And basically is there a website I can bring up while you're talking about it?
Well, Dr. Habib, we have a version of it now, um, but we're improving on it.
So next level gum.com.
Okay.
And that's on Dr. Habib's uh website for his next health, next level gum.com.
And so that takes you right to that page um that features the product.
And basically, it's uh it's a it's an herbal supplement, it's one of the most potent uh herbal supplements, it's an adaptogen that that boosts your your dopamine naturally so you don't have a crash.
Instead of these energy drinks and and people, you know, vaping, because you got you got middle schoolers that vape, you know.
This is their they're dabbling in they're dabbling with fire with the with the the nicotine and all the crazy chemicals they put in the vape products.
Yeah, and look, I want to mention too that uh because I also helped review your ingredients and I help test your gum.
Uh, we are carrying your gum at HealthRanger Store.com as well.
And I think by the time people see this interview will have it in stock and in place where everybody can get it.
But I I really appreciate the fact that you you care about the ingredients.
You know, you you are really interested in making sure that it's clean.
And it's very difficult for a gum because of the sweeteners that people expect.
You know, how did you overcome some of the formulation uh challenges, Dr. Habib or Orshawn, either one, you want to take this?
Yeah, I mean, I I invented some drinks like this uh with the same herb, and um, and that was tough because you want flavor, you want some flavor, people don't want to hate the the food as medicine, they don't want to taste horrible, but you want some decent flavor and you want some sweetness to it because people are used to it, and especially with the gum.
Um, so it's difficult in the gum manufacturers, they're limited, you know, it's gotta be conducive to chewing, and and you know, you gotta be able to keep it in your mouth for five or ten minutes for it to absorb through the mucosal lining and the but that is the best way because instead of your stomach acids beating it up, the supplement, you you're getting it uh through the mucosal, and Dr. Habib can explain that well.
But yeah, it's tough.
So, you know, a little bit of stevia, some natural mint or cinnamon flavoring goes a long way.
And uh, you know, you're not swallowing the the actual, you know, the chewiness of the gum, but you know, you there's there's factors involved there in the manufacturing, and it's tough.
So we we took a lot of input and just my experience with natural products and natural remedies over the years and just consulting with everybody, including you, Mike, you know, everybody's been a big help in this, so it's a it's a journey for us, but we're improving it.
Go ahead, Dr. Habib.
Yeah, I'll I think this is highly appropriate.
I think that uh the reason we're all uh here together is because we believe in natural products that are effective, but also very important, it's safe.
So makuna is the most popular natural way to get L-dopa.
In fact, prescription medications have L Dopa.
The difference is macuna, the strength that we have, it's not too high, it's not too low.
It's 80 milligrams for one gum.
You can chew one, you can chew two.
Uh like uh uh uh Sean mentioned, you know, it just takes five minutes uh or if you want to keep it longer.
But because of the mucosa, uh, you can absorb.
And imagine this, it's in your mouth, and the ethmoid sinuses uh at the base of your skull.
So what goes on in the math with the soft mucous uh lining is that it's much more amenable to getting to the brain.
So number one, it's safe, it's enjoyable.
I've had a lot of my uh clients and patients tell me that the cravings uh would go down, you know, cravings to things that they shouldn't be having, or sometimes they're hungry, they take a gum, they feel better.
So, number one is safe, highly absorbable, and really can make a difference, a natural way.
So the way it works is that the mucuna is L dopa, and that the body has to convert to dopamine.
So you can never overdose it because the body has to make dopamine.
And uh most of the time the body has no problems in making it.
I think the difference with the prescription is that it's so high that the body gets desensitized.
Even the prescriptions for Parkinson's patients, eventually they have to give them a drug holiday because the body stops working.
So having a natural product like macuna can't overshoot it, and just giving enough can take away that edge, especially in the first part of the day, which I recommend.
I recommend the first part of the day.
So the the I'm really glad you said that because then the governing factor for the production of dopamine is the body's own need for it.
And what mucuna provides in your gum are the precursor materials that the body needs so that it's readily available when the body needs to make it.
Whereas when if people have processed food diets and so on, they they may lack the the precursor molecules that are necessary for that uh conversion.
You hit the nail on the head.
So we realize, and even myself, we make uh some bad choices here and there.
And so this is a way for you to compensate that naturally.
So your body is in a stronger position to make the right choices.
You know, uh, as physicians, well, let me be general.
Most physicians kind of uh talk to the patients as if they're they're doing something wrong.
I I think that um, you know, what we like to do is try to explain where the imbalances are.
And so when people are in this vicious cycle with insulin resistance and leptin resistance, it's really not their fault.
We, as physicians, should help them snap out of this catch-22.
I think this this kind of technique of the dopamine gum is just a beginning of what we want to bring to the front.
Natural ways to help people reset these these things which are in our environment that's creating these resistance.
This insulin resistance which comes in the body can actually create havoc in the brain called leptin resistance.
When you have leptin resistance, then your satiety and your ability to control cravings become very, very difficult.
And I and I'm not uh making a claim, nor is Sean making a claim that this is the solution to leptin resistance and insulin resistance, nor am I going to say that this is the solution to your weight loss problems, but this is a great way to start if we can minimize the craving and help balance it out, then you'll be able to take advantage of the tools that we're going to give you.
And today we're going to give you very much things in your own hands that you could do by yourself, let alone going out to purchase gadgets, which hopefully we can talk a little bit about technology out there that can help you naturally reset that autonomic nervous system, that balance between the brain and the body.
I I'm so glad for that explanation.
And I think that what you guys are on to here with next level gum is really brilliant because this delivery vector, the mucosal delivery, is so efficient and it's so appropriate for so many molecules, some of which might otherwise be destroyed by the gastric acid of digestion.
And there are so many different uh categories, even, for example, certain healing uh natural peptides that can be delivered uh in the in the mucosal lining of the mouth and certain vitamins or you know, trace vitamins like uh B12, even things like that, and certain minerals, et cetera.
So I think you've got a really great delivery mechanism here that can be used for a number of different molecules.
But the other point that you mentioned, Dr. Habib, which I completely agree with, is this is not an instant cure all, an instant fix.
In fact, you still need to engage in the balanced lifestyle choices that help your body produce dopamine.
So even if you're using this next level gum, which delivers the L dopa from mucuna, you still need sunlight.
You still need exercise.
You need to provoke your body to respond.
And now what the gum helps it do is to be able to respond in the way that it's trying to.
Is that a fair uh assessment?
Very fair.
It's really just a kickstart to help you get that balance.
And I think yourself and Sean mentioned it, uh, I think Sean mentioned in the schools, that if they go outside and get a little bit of sun and get the exercise, they're different people.
And boy, uh Sean regrets it if they don't.
And why?
Because you've got the UV that goes to the retina.
Do You know the retina has the most densest quantities of mitochondria in the whole body.
There's a reason for that.
That's why the eye is as close to the brain and it needs to be respected.
And the hypothalamus, uh I think you wanted to ask me something.
The hypothalamus is right behind it.
And that's why it's very important to get that circadian rhythm in order.
Yeah, it's amazing.
So, you know, a lot of molecules can enter your body through your mouth and your saliva and the the blood supply that's circulating all through your gums and under your tongue, et cetera.
And then for getting things into your brain, including things that are photoactivated, then the retina, I mean, it is your eyeballs are your brain like looking out on the world.
It's like it's your brain extended right as close to the outside world as you can possibly get, right?
You're you're you're almost looking at your brain.
Um so Sean, I mean, this this is really amazing in my view.
You've got this technology for delivering these things.
Um, and you're starting with dopamine, but I would imagine that you guys must be talking about some other types of molecules that can be delivered through the same mechanism, right?
Yeah, I mean, we when we can I can I talk about our book.
Yeah, please go ahead.
Uh, this is this is our new book that came out this spring, the dopamine revolution.
And what we did was we focused on you know, superfoods, supplements, and clean eating.
And and because all of the the diseases and disorders that we see today, all of this preventable stuff is basically nutrient deficiency.
So, you know, you got all the chemicals and the and the emulsifiers and the ammonia and bleach and all this funk in the food, but you also have the nutrient deficiency because all of these preserved foods, the big food stuff, it's all been processed so heavily that it's almost nutrient void.
And so and so, you know, when I I used to buy supplements, I bought a lot of capsules, and now you know, a lot of people don't want to swallow pills, they're like, no, I'm not gonna buy all that.
I buy tinctures for almost everything because of the delivery, and because it's just easier, and you know, you just take a swig of juice or coconut water or something, and it's just so easier to deliver to your body and your brain and to take, and so much more effective, it's so much more cost efficient.
So people, you know, they whine about oh, organic food costs more.
Oh, these supplements would look expensive.
But what's expensive is even if you have insurance for yourself and your children, or the deductibles and the copies and the time you miss at work because you're sick, and the learning that your kids miss when they're sick or tired, they got they're sleeping on their desk at school.
That's the time, that's the valuable time and money that's wasted, and people don't put it all together because we're not thinking straight.
And and Sean, the health health insurance costs are going up about 70% next year on on average in the United States.
And of course, I wanted to show you my this is my daily smoothie.
And just like you, Sean, I drink, I drink the herbs, I drink the nutrition.
This this is this color because it's avocados, cacao, turmeric uh whey protein.
I've also got uh sulforphan and glucosinylates from broccoli sprouts in here.
I've got black seed extract from cumin in here, and uh, that's a by the way, that's a very potent uh traditional uh Middle Eastern food, cumin, right there, which has amazing anti-inflammatory cognitive or neuroprotective and anti-cancer properties.
And um uh in fact, I like I'm drinking half of what I'm drinking here, you would find in like a Lebanon grocery store.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, right?
Because those are so the some of the most pungent and potent herbs like turmeric that have amazing medicinal benefits.
So, Sean, you know, I mean, this is what I'm drinking every day.
Plus, I'm getting sunlight.
I do take some supplements like aczanthin, which you can really only get in a gel capped form and some other things like that.
But it's amazing what's available to us now, including your gum.
And again, your book, I've got it up on my screen here.
It's called the Dopamine Revolution, Elevate Your Mind and Body Naturally.
Here it is on Amazon.
And this book kind of walks through all the different ways to maintain your dopamine levels.
I gotta admit to you guys though, I don't do anything out of the ordinary to try to maintain dopamine because I think that the my natural lifestyle is a high dopamine lifestyle anyway.
Yeah.
You're defaulting to it all day because of what you know, Mike.
I mean you're you're defaulting to it.
And most natural health advocates and enthusiasts are defaulting to it.
And I've been doing that for years.
But when I started studying it, I've kind of um, you know, I'm a good micromanager for myself for business, for writing and research.
And so now I micromanage everything I eat.
And like just one specific example.
I've been buying wild-caught salmon at a store called sprouts, okay?
And I like it because it's already prepared.
They had some black garlic on it.
Delicious, been buying it for months.
It occurs to me to think, what kind of oil are they putting on it?
Guess what they were putting on it.
Oh, don't tell me it's canola.
Yes.
No.
I mean the clip, I mean the butcher, go in the back and ask.
He comes out, I'm like, why me?
Why would you ruin salmon oil with canola oil?
Why?
Wild caught, the wild-caught stuff.
I'm like, and black garlic I love because it's kind of sweet.
I was like, oh my gosh.
All right, I'll just take care of it myself at home with a little avocado oil and my own garlic.
Forget that.
Yeah.
So yeah, it's it's uh um it's a fun, it's like a game, but when you get good at it, the reward is all day.
So I've noticed my my thinking sharper all day.
I'm better at paying attention to people.
I'm better, I'm a better listener, and I'm a better researcher because of it.
And so it's paying off all day, every day.
And I have crazy energy like this all the time.
I love it.
So, you know, the reward is just relentless.
I love it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And Dr. Habib, you know, what Sean just described, these high levels of energy.
This is what it used to be like to be normal.
Yeah.
Right?
I mean, I mean, uh uh just like your uh Sean and and yourself, that a high level of energy.
What is that?
I call it emotional energy.
And so if I engage with my clients, I get it kind of a high, it's not because I worked out, uh, it's because my body's naturally making dopamine.
So laughter is a natural way to make dopamine.
You know, uh, so being happy is a great way to make dopamine, but you don't have to always take a supplement.
I think what uh Sean was saying with the book is that look, the gum alone isn't is not the key, is how to use the gum in conjunction with lifestyle.
The book is a resource.
The other one I'll tell you is, you know, uh Sean and I are working on uh presenting information on the gum, and one of them is on my website.
So my website is uh uh next healthmed uh dot com.
But so for the gum, I believe we are making a page if it's not already made.
It's next healthmed dot uh com forward slash gum.
So idea is that the gum is not standalone.
And and uh Mike, you said something really, really important to me and Sean, which is that how you feed the microbiome in your gut.
You you mentioned very, very special ingredients.
I just want to pick on one uh in the uh category.
Here's your website.
There you go.
Next health med, there should be a link with uh next healthmed uh.com forward slash gum.
If it's not there, we'll definitely add it there.
Because the gum can be optimized by having a good lifestyle.
Going back to that food, the fats are the most important thing.
So canola and oxidized fats, that's not what we're talking about.
So the black seed is a perphora, plethora of fats that are short chain fats, medium chain fats.
They are not only nutrients for cell membranes and nutrients for the brain.
We talk about nutrient deficiency earlier on.
Fat is one of the most essential nutrients, and I have to repeat it because the whole medical world is against fats.
I know, it's crazy.
Yeah, that's really uh it's misinformation, really.
And so we're not talking about oxidized fat.
These commercial oils are oxidized.
We're talking about the clarified butter, the the the coconut oil.
And so with the black seed oil, you've got oleic acid.
You've got uh the short chain fatty acid, you've got a spectrum of fats, and that's why the evidence for black seed and black seed oil is become gaining great traction.
But you can have cheer seeds, flaxseeds doesn't always have to come from animal fat.
So that's another way to really understand the things that that can really help you.
And so nourishing uh the microbiome, feeding the bacteria, and they like uh a diverse diet, uh rich in fiber generally, and putting in good fats is also not only uh good at the cellular level at self-signaling, but also nutrients uh that will help you make dopamine.
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm glad you said that.
And also, of course, we could talk about the relationship with cholesterol and healthy fats, right?
But I I think I get probably 90% of my fats from plants.
Uh avocados, coconut oil, like you mentioned.
I like to use coconut oil in any kind of pan, like a uh pan heating or frying of anything.
I don't use a microwave at all.
Don't even own one.
I do everything on a cook stove.
So I use a lot of coconut oil for that.
Then occasionally I I will eat like brisket or some animal fat uh when my body craves it, but my body tells me when it craves it.
And with my blood type and all the exercise I do, et cetera, sometimes the body just says, you need to go eat like a hamburger or something.
And uh, you know, every couple of months I'll go eat a hamburger.
The rest of the time I'm getting it from from plants because it's so much easier for me as as also uh you know, a food scientist and a manufacturer.
The the supply chain of animal proteins and animal fats is very complex and very contaminated.
Whereas the supply chain of plant-based fats is much simpler and easier to control and easier to get clean.
So there are a lot of considerations, obviously, in all of this.
Yeah, I even like MCT oil.
I'll put it in my coffee and it's from the coconuts.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's so many different options available to people today for healthy oils.
Um, but yet, you know, you go out, any kind of restaurant is using cheap canola, corn oil, soy oil, cotton seed, whatever.
And it's everywhere you go in society, you're getting all these rancid oils all the time.
Um, people are people are catching on to it quick because you know, I do a podcast every morning, I've been putting them on Brighton, and I did one on canola oil, and it's the my most popular episode.
I didn't know it was gonna be, but it's gotta be exposed because you go in these healthy grocery stores like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, and they're catering to people like us who are health conscious, but it's insane how many products have canola.
It's like I know they know, but they don't they know that everyone else doesn't know.
But the problem with canola is that it coagulates, it coagulates in your body and it causes rapid weight gain, it causes memory loss, and surely causes cancer and dementia down the line.
But people don't know, and they they look at all these everything that's processed at these healthy grocery stores has canola because it can last on the shelves forever.
And my favorite saying is they they it extends the shelf life, but it shortens human life.
Yeah, and and remember the food industry, and I'm sure Dr. Habib will also note this, but remember, like in the 1980s, we were told that eggs are bad, that all animal fat is bad.
We were told coconut oil would give you a heart attack, right?
It was all a lie to push margarine and fake butter based on seed oils, right?
And then they repackage rapeseed oil to be canola oil.
And in the 1990s, they had like a whole canola oil ad campaign.
Oh, it's so good for you.
To the point where today you go to the grocery store and you you look at salad dressing that is olive oil salad dressing, and you turn it around, you look at the ingredients.
The first ingredient is canola oil, not olive oil.
It'll say and or canola.
You know, they're using canola, it's like the cheapest oil on planet Earth right now.
And probably their olive oil is fake olive oil too, because most of the olive oil is fake.
So it's like fake, fake, fake, toxic, toxic, toxic, but it looks like olive oil dressing.
And if if you don't know any better, you just buy it and eat it.
Dr. Habi.
Oh, the fake honey, man.
It's crazy.
Dr. Habi, what are your comments on all this?
Oh, listen, I mean, you're speaking to the choir.
I think the point is that uh America is the master of marketing.
And uh, we love America, right?
Everything about it is big and powerful.
And you know, I'll start by saying, you know, I love it when an ad says something like fresh organic pizza is like, but it's still a pizza, you know?
But as soon as you see fresh organic, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a halfway in the basket right there, right?
So, you know, that's why I think it's such an important job for us to educate people.
Me and Sean are here, not about the book.
We're not here for the gun.
I'm here about education.
And I think you uh might serving a really, really great platform.
I hope that we can continue this conversation because there's so many levels to this.
Um, and and in terms of uh, I think we need to enjoy food.
And instead of talking about negative stuff, give them, you know, I I like going grocery shopping myself.
I like to look at the food that I'm going to be creating.
And um, and I think we need to bring the joy back in in these these things.
When they talk about the Mediterranean diet, they forget that they'd spent two hours over lunch.
You know, they they forget about the the family and the sharing and friendship.
True.
That's the dopamine.
That that's the benefit of those diets.
I'm not saying that the olive oil and those are not part of it, but you could look at the whole spectrum, not in isolation.
You can't get life if from an isolation.
Yeah, well said.
I'm I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, the Mediterranean diet also included the the social interaction of shopping for the ingredients that you're going to cook into the meal.
And it remember, folks, in the Mediterranean diet, they usually drizzle the olive oil on the salad afterwards.
They didn't they didn't pan fry and heat the olive oil to the point of oxidation, right?
So there's a lot of little important facts that people forget.
Um, but we're almost out of time here today.
So I want to make sure that we're we're covering everything here.
We've we've just shown Dr. Habib's website.
Uh, we've got your next level gum.com website.
That's for your gum.
Uh, we're also going to be carrying your gum at our store, healthranger store.com.
People should be able to see it there.
We've got uh the book, The Dopamine Revolution available at booksellers everywhere.
Uh Sean, do you want to talk about your your show, your broadcast?
It's going great.
I've I had, you know, I always wondered how podcasters and like radio hosts from back in the day just keep talking, and there's you know, you're not supposed to have the silent time where the meter goes down to zero.
And how do they do this?
And I realized about uh this past winter, how much knowledge I've gained from all of this research.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm gonna try my hand at this.
And in May, I just started doing a podcast, and I and and I do it on dopamine, and it and and it I do it for about 20 to 30 minutes every morning, and I prepare a little bit of information, and I look up new stuff to keep my brain working and to keep learning.
But it's so much fun, and I'm getting really good feedback from people saying, Man, I love your energy and your enthusiasm.
And that's what is driving me because they're called the dopamine revolution.
Yes.
Okay, all right.
And I've got it projecting on Apple and Spotify and YouTube tries to ban me, but you know, it's on Brighton every day.
And the best part is that I'm not I've stopped trying to really really reach out and just help people.
I figured out that through modeling is the best way to help people.
So I'm I'm walking the walk.
And then, you know, I helped raise some step kids for many years, and I realized they look to you to model your your balance, your your help, your emotional balance.
You know, when when crap hits the fan, they look at you and they're like, How are you gonna react to that?
As a teacher, you know, if something goes wrong, some kids start screaming or screaming and crying, or there's a fight, they look right at you and they're like, How how are you dealing with this right now?
Because I want to know.
And that and that's what I'm doing with all of this with the whole podcast.
It's it's more of sharing and modeling.
So I'll break out products, I'll show you what I'm doing at home, but I'm not telling you to buy anything.
I'm not trying to sell anything, I'm just breaking out products that I buy.
And and you know, and and it's just uh it's a whole arsenal of great stuff out there, like like Dr. Habi was saying earlier, and you were saying, Mike, it's out there.
That's the beauty of this country.
You can go shopping, but you can't go shopping blindly.
Just go in there knowing what you want.
Or what I've done, I changed my shopping style is I shop very slowly now.
I used to be in a rush because there's people in your way.
No.
I go in, I read ingredients on everything.
I look for new products.
They'll be up high or down low, and I'm like, wait, what's this?
Oh, it's clean.
I'm gonna try this.
So it's really fun for me now to go shopping and micro shop at different stores and find ingredients to cook and prep and make smoothies like you've got, Mike, you know, really good stuff, you know, mixing in superfoods like chia seeds and maca and and you know, really good original stuff.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
No, uh, thanks for sharing that, Sean.
And we are we are out of time.
So I want to thank you both for joining me today, and especially Dr. Habib from uh staying up later in in the UK there.
So thank you for taking the time to join us.
It's been a pleasure to meet you and to share this knowledge and information.
And uh I'm sure our audience has really enjoyed this as well.
I want to remind our audience that the dopamine gum, and this is the breakthrough that these two men have put together.
It's called Next Level Gum, and you can look for it, uh, not only next level gum.com, the website all about it there, but we'll carry it in our store.
Healthranger store.com should be there by the time you see this.
And yes, I helped test this gum.
So it has my seal of approval as well.
So uh thank you both for your time today.
It's been a pleasure.
Hope we can do this again.
Yes, thank you very much.
All right, thank you.
Uh, have a great rest of your day or evening in your case, Dr. Habib.
And thank all of you for watching.
This has been uh another really amazing interview about nutrition, uh, brain chemistry and mental health without resorting to potentially dangerous prescription drugs or other dangerous interventions.
You can take charge of your health situation.
And we've just given you a lot of uh really highly effective secrets right here.
Things that work in real life, and we're also demonstrating this for you.
I mean, look at what I drink, look at what Sean does.
Look at Dr. Habib's lifestyle and his health habits and and my exercise habits, et cetera.
We are walking the walk, as Sean said.
And if you do what we do, you're going to get much better results than if you do what sick people do, lining up at the pharmacy, eating processed junk foods, and so on.
Do what healthy people do, and you will improve your health results.
No question about it.
Thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams of Brighton.com.
Take care.
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