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BBN, Sep 25, 2025 - World threatens MILITARY INTERVENTION against Israel's lawless genocide

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	Welcome to Brighteon Broadcast News for Thursday, September 25th, 2025.
	I'm Mike Adams.
	Thank you for joining me here today.
	You may not recall this, or maybe you do, but I'm the guy who did the, what I called at the time, the forensic audio analysis of the Las Vegas shooting.
	And this was, I forgot what year, I mean, many, many years ago.
	And at the time, nobody knew that you could do a forensic audio analysis, which is now known as a crack bang analysis.
	And what you do, well, as I explained in the video at the time, if you know the rifle round that's being fired, then you can get a pretty close approximation of the round's velocity.
	And knowing the speed of sound, and you can have a pretty close guess based on altitude.
	You can get an altitude density guess.
	Humidity is a factor, barometric pressure, etc.
	But you can take a pretty good guess.
	You can get a speed of sound.
	And if you compare that to the speed of the rifle round, you realize that from typical rifles like an AR-15 firing a 5.56 round, you know, the rounds are, of course, supersonic.
	So any high-powered rifle round is a supersonic round.
	Even AR-15s, even, you know, 308 Winchester rounds and certainly 3006 or 300 Windmag or other rounds, you know, 6.5 Creedmoor, etc.
	These are all obviously hypersonic rounds, which means that if someone fires at you from a distance, the bullet arrives at your location before the sound of the rifle bang.
	And the crack, as it's called, is the crack that the microphone picks up locally, like where you are.
	It's the crack of the bullet.
	It's the bullet breaking the sound barrier.
	So it's a sound, it's a sonic boom crack is really what it is.
	It's described as a crack.
	So by taking the time difference between the crack and the bang, which is easy to do if you have audio analysis software, and then by taking a guess about the rifle's velocity, then you can estimate the distance of the shooter.
	Okay, and that's what I did with the Las Vegas shooting.
	And I clearly demonstrated that there were three shooters, not one.
	So we know that the Las Vegas shooting incident, there's a giant cover-up.
	And a lot has come out since then about that, but I'm not going to focus on that today.
	What I'm trying to point out here today is that we've seen a lot of sound analysis of the Charlie Kirk shooting, crack bang analysis, not to be confused with Hunter Biden's crack bang habit, which is smoking crack and banging hookers, but that's not forensic audio analysis.
	So crack bang audio analysis is what I describe, the time intervals.
	But in order to do that, you have to have an estimate of the velocity of the projectile.
	Well, originally when people were doing crack bang analysis of the Charlie Kirk shooting, they were using the FBI's claim that the rifle round was a 30 oh 6 rifle round.
	And you can look up typical muzzle velocities of 30 out 6 rounds.
	And I don't know, it might be like 2,900 feet per second or 3,000 or whatever it is.
	Maybe it's 3,100.
	I don't know.
	But you can get a pretty close approximation.
	And then from that, you could then draw circles and try to determine like, where was the shooter?
	The problem is that you're assuming that the rifle round was a 30 oh 6, which means you're believing the FBI's story, which we now know is complete bunk.
	So at this point, I do not believe that it was a 30 odd 6 rifle round that was fired.
	Otherwise, there would have been a very large exit wound in the back of Charlie's neck.
	Okay, not to be graphic.
	I don't mean any disrespect to Charlie Kirk.
	It's a tragic murder of a man who did not deserve to be murdered.
	But the only way to honor his life is to get to the bottom of who actually killed him.
	And the FBI's story is a lie.
	He was not shot from the front with a 30 odd 6 rifle.
	We know that with certainty, 100% certainty.
	And you heard my interview with Michael Yan yesterday.
	Michael Young, a war correspondent.
	You know, he's photographed probably more bullets and more people being shot in more firefights than almost anybody in American history.
	You know, there are very few war correspondents that have more battlefield camera experience than Michael Yahn.
	And he just told me straight out in the interview that, yeah, it's ridiculous to think that Charlie Kirk got shot with a 30 out 6.
	That's stupid, actually.
	So that means that all the audio analysis that you've seen so far, or that I've seen, I haven't seen anybody explain what muzzle velocity they're using.
	And I'm not sure that everybody doing the audio analysis actually knows what they're doing.
	I'm not certain.
	Many of them probably do, and some do not.
	But if you're going to do audio analysis of ballistics, you need to disclose what's the muzzle velocity that you're assuming.
	Otherwise, your calculations don't make any sense at all.
	And I put out a detailed post about this on Brighton Social and X and Telegram and some other places as well.
	Truth Social also.
	And I also pointed out that if the projectile is subsonic, you know, a subsonic round or a subsonic projectile of some sort like a crossbow bolt, let's say, or something like that, a slingshot pellet, you know, or like a steel ball in a slingshot, something like that.
	Well, those are obviously subsonic.
	And if you're trying to analyze the sound of a subsonic round, then the crack bang is reversed.
	It becomes the bang crack, but the crack is almost you, I mean, there's not really a crack because it's not hypersonic.
	So you really have, you have a bang and then you have a like a thud, maybe, if you can hear the thud, because the bang arrives first because the speed of sound is faster than the projectile.
	And then sometime after that, the projectile arrives.
	It's like funk, you know?
	So that's how you know you're dealing with a subsonic round.
	But we may, the Charlie Kirk assassination, you know, there are a number of different theories out there right now.
	Some people believe that he was shot from the back right side, like from a stairwell or somewhere like that, with a subsonic round.
	Well, if that were the case, then audio analysis would probably be pointless because there would be no crack and you would just have like a bang and a thud, but you probably couldn't pick the thud out of the other audio in the recording.
	So audio analysis might completely fail on that.
	There are other theories that are currently gaining credibility in my book where Charlie may have been shot by a custom assassination device that fired a projectile like a steel slug or a steel ball at very close range.
	Some people are suggesting it might have been the camera behind him and over above his head in the booth.
	Other people think it may have come from some kind of covert pistol carried by someone in the crowd.
	Other people have different theories.
	Some people think it might be a shaped charge from his lavalier microphone or the wireless mic pack may have exploded kind of like the pagers, the Israeli pagers exploded in Lebanon.
	Some people think this is an exploding pager type of thing, but it's an exploding wireless microphone.
	And we do need to consider every possibility at this point because we absolutely know that the official narrative is complete nonsense.
	And if they're lying about the bullet, they're lying about everything.
	They're covering this up.
	And I've explained why in previous podcasts, it's very clear to me.
	They need Tyler Robinson to be guilty because they need the narrative that it's transgenders and friends of furries on the left that are the terrorists that are threatening America.
	And this is what's going to justify Trump's coming martial law declaration or whatever laws he uses domestically, you know, national emergency, acts of war, domestic insurrection, you know.
	There's one that we haven't heard since the, you know, the J6 narrative of the radical left.
	But what if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, you see?
	Well, they need the narrative to be able to blame leftists for this.
	And like I've said before, leftists, they truly are mentally ill, deranged lunatics who are triggered by Trump.
	And a lot of leftists really are terrorist-minded people.
	They hate America.
	They hate the flag.
	They want to murder conservatives.
	So I'm not here defending any of that, but I do defend the innocent.
	And I think Tyler Robinson is innocent.
	And there's no hard evidence linking him to being the shooter as far as I can tell.
	You might say, well, what about that phone text where he admitted everything?
	Oh, yeah, you mean the phone text written by a 60-year-old FBI agent that they pushed out there through a SIM card spoofing device that the FBI has so they can send text in anybody's phone number and then use that as evidence in a court of law against them.
	Yeah, that text message.
	Okay.
	Well, that was written by the FBI.
	In fact, as far as I can tell, the only thing the FBI has actually been doing since the shooting is fabricating evidence.
	Instead of finding the real killer or the real group who might be the killers or the real nation behind the killer or the intelligence agency behind Charlie's murder, they seem to be focused entirely on just fabricating evidence to convict this Tyler Robinson guy.
	And then you know how this is going to go.
	It's going to go just like Jeffrey Epstein.
	They're going to have him in isolation in a jail cell.
	And then, you know, all the cameras are going to stop working.
	And then the next day, they're going to go and they're going to find that he's dead.
	And we're going to be told, oh, he committed suicide and he left.
	Look, he left a suicide note where he admitted to everything.
	Look, yeah, if you believe that, yeah, you're an idiot.
	But that's how this is going to go.
	And then, you know, it's all tidy.
	It's a nicely wrapped up confession and suicide and text messages.
	He was guilty, guilty, guilty.
	I don't think he's guilty at all.
	I think he's the Patsy.
	And now new video evidence is emerging that's really causing a lot of people to question things even more.
	So I want to show you a video that's been making the rounds that is very disturbing.
	This video, which I'm going to call the handoff, it appears to show Charlie Kirk's security team or people who appear to be part of his security team reacting very quickly after he was shot in a way that seems choreographed to grab things and hand them off,
	like, you know, possibly a weapon, possibly a detonator, possibly something else, and to get those things out of the scene as quickly as possible.
	That's what it appears to be.
	Now, possibly there's a different explanation for this.
	I don't know.
	But I want to show this to you and ask you what you think.
	So the video is about, it's only about one minute, so watch carefully because this happens very quickly.
	And I think the graphic part of Charlie himself is blurred out.
	So we're not going to be focused on any gore or anything here.
	But I want you to watch the reaction from the men who appear to be security officials because they appear to be completely choreographed.
	Like they know what to do instantly.
	And it's got nothing to do with saving Charlie.
	It's got to do, it seems like it's about confiscating certain objects and removing them from the crime scene.
	So take a look.
	Tell me what you think.
	So that video right there is raising a lot of questions, especially when combined with the obvious fabrication of the 30-06 round and the magic bullet theory and the man of steel claim, where we were told recently that Charlie Kirk, he has bones of steel that can stop high-powered hunting rounds that bring down grizzly bears.
	I mean, it's completely absurd.
	They literally think you're stupid.
	And they're just trying to find out what kind of stupid story they can pass off onto us now.
	It doesn't mean, though, it doesn't mean that we are seeing in this video exactly what we suspect we're seeing.
	I mean, possibly, I'm open to alternative explanations.
	Things were moving quickly.
	You know, maybe a guy was running to the car to start the SUV.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Why wasn't there an ambulance there?
	I don't even know.
	But perhaps there's some alternative explanation, but this video looks very suspicious to me.
	Especially, why would you start ripping apart the crime scene and the cameras and the equipment and everything so quickly?
	Wouldn't security people be concerned about follow-up shots?
	If there's a shot, aren't you suspecting?
	I mean, one guy in that video, when the shot rang out, he wasn't surprised at all.
	He was just like, yep, we knew that was coming.
	I mean, that's the expression he has anyway.
	This is very strange.
	The way these people are reacting in this video, at least from my point of view, is not the way that people who are surprised by a gunshot would organically react.
	This looks like, to me, it looks like these people were expecting this.
	And it looks like there was a very strong focus on getting rid of evidence or, you know, getting, taking things away from the scene rather than trying to protect Charlie from follow-up rounds.
	You know, why shouldn't his security team be trained to just cover him?
	Kind of like the Secret Service did with Trump and Butler.
	You know, it's like, cover the president, you know, shield him with your body.
	There could be follow-up rounds.
	How do they know this is only going to be a single round shot?
	Unless they were already in the loop, possibly.
	Okay.
	So that's something to strongly consider.
	And I would say that that video, along with some other videos that are coming out and some other realizations, are leading a lot of people.
	It seems, in my view, perhaps 90% of the people that are looking at this realize that the official FBI narrative is a total lie.
	Now, opinions vary on what is the actual explanation, you know, exploding wireless mic, you know, catapulting camera from behind, you know, whatever, super secret sniper with a pistol gun in the crowd.
	You know, people disagree on the explanations.
	But the more I look at this, and remember, I'm very knowledgeable about ballistics.
	Obviously, I did the original forensic audio analysis many years ago.
	I'm very knowledgeable.
	I'm an accomplished long-range rifle shooter myself.
	So I'm very familiar with what these rounds can do.
	Although I'm not a hunter, I shoot steel plates because I don't believe in killing animals for sport, by the way.
	That's just my philosophy.
	I'm pro-life all the way, including animals.
	But when I look at this more and more, I'm realizing that I think Charlie was hit with a low-velocity projectile.
	And I'm thinking something around 400 feet per second, which is less than half the speed of sound.
	And a projectile, such as, let's say, just a steel ball, like a slingshot round, a steel ball at close range will be accurate enough to do that.
	And it won't have a big gaping exit wound because it doesn't, you know, it's not the kind of bullet tip that opens up and spreads out and deforms, etc.
	It's just a steel ball that goes through.
	But if it slices through an artery, then, you know, that's it.
	So it looks to me like either he was hit by something from behind or there was something much closer and even smaller in its energy, such as a shapes charge or an exploding microphone wireless pack or something like that.
	But I can't figure out how they could place that in such a position to have such an accurate such an accurate perforation to where they knew they would get the carotid artery.
	So how did they accomplish that?
	I don't know.
	But just the fact that achieving such a precision and fatal injury would require extraordinary technical innovation and precision and also of a covert nature so that it wasn't immediately obvious.
	That speaks to very high sophistication capabilities in assassination technology, let's say.
	So immediately that means it's not Tyler Robinson.
	He's not James freaking Bond.
	You know, he's not super Mossad assassin guy.
	But there are super assassin guys who work for the CIA or Mossad or MI6.
	Okay.
	And to me, it's clear that this was an intelligence operation.
	And you can debate which intelligence branch was behind it.
	I think the two most likely candidates are the CIA and Mossad may be working in conjunction.
	But this is a sophisticated weapon, probably close range, carried out by a technologically advanced unit or group that has access to make extremely covert custom weapons, specifically for assassination purposes, and also to do a public assassination so that it sends a message.
	So right there, that excludes all furries because furries are not James Bond.
	They're too busy being furries to learn how to be super secret weapon spy guys, you know.
	Speaking of super secret spies and CIA and everything, I've got an interview with a former CIA official today, Ray McGovern.
	That's right, Ray McGovern joins us.
	Now, full disclosure, we recorded this interview before the Charlie Kirk shooting.
	So we're not even talking about Charlie Kirk in this interview.
	But I thought it was critical to play it today.
	Well, number one, I've held it for too long, and that's my fault.
	And I apologize to Mr. McGovern.
	But we are talking about the geopolitical situation that is highly relevant right now.
	And Ray McGovern is an expert on many of those things.
	I think he was briefing President Reagan.
	He was the CIA briefer, which means he covered South America, Central and South America.
	He covered the Middle East.
	He covered Russia, Soviet Union, China, everything at the time.
	And so he's got a lot of knowledge in all these areas.
	And Ray McGovern, he's a patriotic American.
	He's got a lot of experience under his belt.
	And he can add some very important things to our understanding of what's happening in the world, especially when Trump is now recently tweeting things like, oh, you know, Ukraine can win and Ukraine can take back everything and Ukraine can even invade Russia and maybe take part of Russia and, you know, other bizarre nonsense that Trump is tweeting.
	Ray McGovern will be having a field day with that quote, I'm sure.
	But anyway, you want to stay tuned for that interview with Ray McGovern.
	Now, shifting gears here, you know that Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that Tylenol is associated with autism.
	And I hope you know that Tylenol, that's just the brand name for the drug called acetaminophen.
	And acetaminophen is, this is a chemical that absolutely can cause liver damage and liver failure.
	And it's used in a huge number of over-the-counter so-called medicines or whatever.
	Junk.
	I never buy any of this junk.
	I don't know.
	It's like, you know, runny nose, stuffy, cold, sleepy drugs or whatever.
	All kinds of different drugs like colds and flu treatments for stuffy nose and whatever and headaches.
	They lace all that stuff or a lot of it with acetaminophen.
	And as a result, there is, you know, quote, Tylenol in a lot of these different drugs.
	And pregnant women should never take these drugs.
	Actually, I don't even own any of these drugs.
	I don't take them anyway.
	I mean, I just, I use herbs and essential oils and superfoods and everything else.
	I mean, you know, looking at my medicine cabinet is, it's like an alternate universe compared to a typical American consumer.
	But then again, I almost never get sick.
	So, you know, I know how to deal with symptoms.
	You know, it's pretty easy.
	It's like ivermectin or chlorine dioxide or zinc and whatever.
	So anyway, it's being reported that some pregnant liberal women, and I would show you the video of this, but I don't know for sure if it's legit.
	It might be a made-up story.
	I don't know.
	But apparently, what I'm being told is that liberal pregnant women are, you know, chugging Tylenol to show Trump how much they hate him.
	And I mean, I reported this yesterday, but the news today is that it's being said there's a woman who's in the emergency room and she has suffered liver failure from this stupid stunt.
	And she might die and she might lose her baby and her liver is all shot because she did this.
	I don't know if that's a true story or not.
	It could be made up, but given how crazy the world is today, it could totally be real.
	I don't know.
	The bottom line is, folks, do not, do not, don't chug Tylenol.
	And remember, if you ever take Tylenol, you know what you should take first, right?
	You know glycerisin from licorice root, yeah?
	Because glycerisin, which is found in licorice root, which is a traditional Chinese herb, that protects your liver from acetaminophen as well as alcohol.
	So if you're going to go out on, I don't know, New Year's Eve and you're going to get all smashed by drinking way too much and then you're going to have a horrible headache and you're going to chug Tylenol or whatever, then if you're going to abuse your body that way, at least protect your liver with licorice root first.
	And then you won't have liver failure from all your horrific drunken behavior.
	You might have other problems, you know, social problems, marriage problems.
	I don't know, but you're not going to have a liver problem.
	Now, unfortunately, there's not an herb that can protect your marriage from failing.
	If there were, it'd be the most popular herb ever.
	You know, instead of the time herb, like time to leave herb.
	Oh, I guess that would be the opposite.
	How about rose marry me all over again?
	It's like renew our vows with the rose marry me all over again herb.
	Yeah, that would be a very popular herb.
	You know, you and your spouse take it and everything's awesome.
	Yeah, the problem is the one side effect.
	I mean, everything's perfect except the one side effect of, I don't know, unpredictable spontaneous defecation.
	But people say it's totally worth it.
	A strong marriage can survive that, apparently.
	Okay, jokes aside, sorry, I love word games and I get out of control.
	There is no herb that can protect your marriage from failure, but there is an herb that can protect your liver.
	And that's called, well, licorice root or glycerisin is the molecule.
	So be sure to use that.
	All right.
	Changing to a cleaner subject, but also related to health.
	Did you know that it's been 25 years since Dr. Andy Wakefield was just assaulted by the entire world for daring to challenge the system and raising concerns about the MMR shot?
	And he suggested there was a link between vaccines and various effects, especially digestive disorders, but also in some children, autism.
	He was excoriated globally and he was stripped of his medical license.
	He was vilified for decades.
	His entire career was destroyed.
	Well, did you know that what Trump and RFK Jr. just rolled out in terms of recommending separation of MMR doses, delaying them, having them spread apart separate injections instead of all at once?
	Do you know that that's what Andy Wakefield had proposed 25 years ago?
	So, you know, it took 25 years for the government to come around and realize that Andy Wakefield was right.
	And I tweeted about this.
	I said, you know, so where's the apology?
	You know, the whole world owes an apology to Andy Wakefield.
	A significant portion of his life was destroyed.
	His credibility, his reputation, with all kinds of stresses and, you know, probably stresses on his personal relationships and family and marriage and co-workers and everything else you can imagine.
	It's horrible to be treated by the entire world as a villain when all you were trying to do was protect children from vaccine toxicity.
	So I just want to say for the record that Andrew Wakefield, he is a good man.
	I've known him for many years now.
	And he's a man who only wanted to pursue the evidence and to protect children.
	And he is actually a champion of what medicine should be.
	But sadly, the medical system has diverged from that and it has become a corrupt, fraudulent quagmire of child maiming and child sacrifice in the name of vaccine profits.
	Oh, and of course, pediatrician profits as well.
	Don't forget about that.
	So the whole world owes Andy Wakefield an apology.
	I doubt that that's coming, but at least now he is being increasingly vindicated.
	And it just goes to show you, I've mentioned this before, that when you're two years ahead of society, you're called a genius.
	When you're 20 years ahead of society, you're called a lunatic.
	Yeah.
	Ask me how I know.
	Yeah, because I'm cursed with seeing trends many, many years before they occur.
	And they seem impossible at first.
	Like, again, seven years ago, or maybe it's eight now, I was saying that there's a coming civil conflict, that America is going to split, and that the country as we know it would no longer exist by the end of this year, 2025.
	I began saying that years ago.
	Back then, it sounded crazy.
	Right now, not crazy at all.
	Right now, you're like, yep, we see it.
	You know, we see that the radical left is going insane and everything is split.
	And how is this country going to hold together?
	I don't know that it does.
	But society will punish you for being too far ahead in trends analysis or predictions or anything.
	Like, also, I've been recommending gold and silver for how long now?
	Even long before I started this podcast.
	And remember, this podcast was started, what, right after the 2020 election being stolen.
	So, you know, this has gone on for four and a half years now.
	But even before that, I was recommending gold and silver through other programs, interviews, and things like that.
	And at the time, gold and silver were not that popular.
	And it was easy for people to mock those of us who are precious metals stackers, let's say, to mock us.
	It's all gold is an ancient relic and silver is not even money.
	And the pricing of gold and silver had been really flat for a long time, especially silver.
	It was a long drought.
	And then now this year, it's like, oh, my God, you're a genius.
	You know, how did you know?
	Because gold and silver continue to skyrocket and everybody who owns gold and silver is just gleeful.
	And they're just like, oh, my God, we're rolling in riches.
	But you're not really.
	It's just the dollars collapsing.
	So, you know, your gold and silver is, it looks more valuable, but it's actually just priced in more dollars because the dollars are more worthless.
	But anyway, you understand that.
	My point is a lot of things that I warned about, you know, I was mocked four years ago.
	I was running cartoons about the evils of the FDA and big pharma in 2006.
	I was talking about vaccine dangers and the emperor has no clothes, you know, 2005, 2006, 2007, etc.
	And I was talking about the dangers of glyphosate.
	I was talking about, you know, GMOs and all these things long before COVID, long before COVID.
	In fact, just criticizing vaccines back before COVID, that would get you categorized as a, you know, a crazy person or smeared as someone who was anti-science.
	Not anymore, because most of the people who, quote, followed the science, yeah, well, a lot of them are dead now.
	They followed the science to their graves by taking depopulation bioweapons injections.
	So much for the science.
	Now, it's incredibly common for people to question vaccines.
	Now, no intelligent person trusts the CDC or the FDA.
	But when I said that in 2006, man, you would have thought that I was calling out the cosmos or something.
	You don't trust the CDC.
	Oh, my God.
	They're the authorities.
	They're the scientists.
	They know what they're doing.
	No, they don't.
	They're the demons, actually, as we have now found out.
	They're the ones with the Satan tattoos and the weird, like, furry puppy boyfriends and all kinds of weird gay sex habits when they're not at the CDC telling you to wear a mask and take a jab.
	You know, they're humping each other in some weird, perverted get-together somewhere, probably a dog kennel, I'm guessing, you know, for the authenticity of it.
	Furries humping in a dog kennel.
	It's crowded on my legs cramping.
	It's too tight in here.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe you shouldn't hump each other in a dog kennel.
	I mean, who knows what they're into.
	But anyway, the point is that now almost all of informed society agrees with the things that I've been saying for literally 20 years.
	And it's rough to be at the leading edge of that and to say what is obviously true too early where the population is so brainwashed and misinformed that they can't understand what you're saying.
	It's the same thing with climate, climate change nonsense.
	I've been telling the truth about carbon dioxide for, I don't know, at least a decade, maybe longer.
	It wasn't my original focus.
	But I've been telling the truth about it.
	And people would go insane at first.
	They're like, oh my God, you must hate the planet.
	No, I love photosynthesis.
	Actually, I love plants.
	I like plants to be able to breathe.
	And so they need carbon dioxide.
	But, you know, it doesn't compute with people who are totally brainwashed and twisted into their cult, whatever that cult happens to be, a vaccine cult or a climate cult or whatever.
	Psychiatry cult.
	There's a whole bunch of cults out there.
	So don't fall for any of them.
	Now, speaking of cults, there's also the Zionist cult, which is another very strange cult.
	Like a lot of these cults, the Zionist cult is all into murdering and slaughtering children.
	So it's like the vaccine cult.
	Well, the world has had enough of the genocide, and something really extraordinary is happening.
	So the Spanish government has now dispatched a naval vessel.
	And I've got a photo of this I want to show you.
	So this vessel, it's called the Fuhrer P-46.
	It's a high seas patrol ship commissioned in 2017.
	It's 93 meters long.
	That's a serious warship.
	It's got 52 sailors on board.
	Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez confirmed that the ship will set sail from Cartagena, fully equipped to assist the flotilla or to carry out rescue operations.
	So the flotilla, this is the rescue flotilla where there are dozens of ships that are on the way to try to bring food and emergency medical supplies to the Palestinians.
	And in fact, there's, let's see, I've got a video here, but it's in Spanish, as you might suppose.
	But it is the prime minister of Spain saying that the Spanish government demands respect for international law and the right of our citizens to navigate the Mediterranean in safety.
	And a naval vessel will depart Cartagena and then equipped with all necessary means to assist the Gaza flotilla.
	Okay?
	So that's from Spain.
	On top of that, I mentioned this previously, the leader of Indonesia has pledged 20,000 troops to Gaza to protect Palestinians from the IDF, you know, mass murders and genocide people.
	And then Colombia has also said that it's willing to supply troops, but it's calling for other countries to join in.
	So there is now, apparently there are a lot more countries saying we got to actually send troops and maybe go to war against Israel in order to protect the Palestinians from this ongoing genocidal slaughter.
	North Korea has also apparently come out and threatened to send Korean troops from Ukraine because the troops are currently, I think, training or even fighting with the Russian military.
	That's my understanding.
	But North Korea says it's going to divert troops and then it's going to nuke Tel Aviv if Israel kills Greta Thunberg.
	What?
	So for the record, you know, I've been very critical of Greta, who I have labeled Little Miss Thunderpants for many years because obviously she was completely a fabricated character by the mainstream media to push the climate change nonsense.
	And it's because of her that a lot of European nations shut down their own energy infrastructure.
	And that has caused massive economic damage.
	So Greta has actually been an incredibly destructive voice on the climate issue.
	But on the Gaza issue, she's actually correct.
	She's 100% correct that we have to protect innocent people from violence and aggression and from genocide.
	And so I'm actually very glad to see Greta Thunberg, or Thunberg or however it's pronounced.
	In America, we say Thunberg.
	I think it's Thunberg or something.
	Anyway, I'm not trying to mock her name.
	I just don't know exactly how she says it.
	Anyway, I'm glad to see her doing something more productive.
	Stop with the climate change nonsense and focus on human rights.
	This is actually a good thing.
	So obviously, I don't want to see Greta harmed or killed.
	I don't want to see anybody hurt or killed in the flotilla.
	I want to see the flotilla succeed.
	But apparently that flotilla has been attacked at least seven times so far by drones, probably from Israel.
	You know, it's kind of like USS Liberty all over again, but on a smaller scale.
	And Israel is probably going to try to sink more ships from this flotilla.
	I think they've already destroyed one ship and they're going to try to destroy more.
	And if they kill Greta, North Korea is going to nuke Tel Aviv.
	So this one is for Thunderpants.
	Kaboom.
	You know, there goes Tel Aviv.
	I mean, furries flying across the horizon.
	I mean, I don't know if, who is it?
	Is it Kim Jong-un?
	I don't know if he's serious about that or just if that's hyperbole.
	But clearly, many, many countries around the world are fed up with what Israel has become, which is just an evil, destructive, demonic, militaristic, you know, genocidal regime of war criminals.
	That's what Israel is.
	So no wonder they're hated by everybody.
	You know, it's also interesting that occasionally these European leaders are actually not insane.
	So to the credit of Pedro Sanchez, this is actually a really commendable action.
	I don't know anything else about President or Prime Minister Sanchez.
	I don't know his politics or anything.
	But at least this is a very pro-human rights decision.
	So we give him full credit for this one.
	Okay, I've got a special report for you here called YouTube Admits to Massive Censorship Over COVID and Elections.
	And you may have heard of this story.
	Well, because YouTube did admit this to the GOP, some kind of statement they issued that said that, yeah, they admit that they took orders from the Biden White House and they basically deplatformed whatever accounts that Biden wanted them to, including political accounts and accounts talking about COVID.
	And I guess that means also masks and lockdowns and maybe vaccines as well.
	And YouTube admits it was wrong and they won't do it again.
	But do you believe them?
	Because I don't.
	I think they're just saying that in order to get away with it.
	And I think that their executives should be arrested, except not for Susan Wajiki, because she's already dead because she took vaccines and then she died as she was censoring people who were telling the truth about how vaccines might kill you.
	So, well, that's called karma, folks, right there.
	That's karma.
	Oh, wajiki, wajikki, the truth gets sticky.
	So true.
	All right, let's listen to this special report.
	YouTube admits to massive censorship.
	And then on the other side, we will have the interview today with Ray McGovern.
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	All right, now enjoy the special report and the interview with Ray McGovern.
	And we've got another really fun interview for you coming tomorrow.
	Well, I'll leave it for tomorrow, but I think you're going to love it.
	So enjoy the rest of the show.
	So YouTube has now admitted to many, many years of a censorship conspiracy involving the government, specifically the Biden administration, but also third-party so-called fact-checkers, which was really just a way of laundering censorship through third parties.
	Well, they've admitted all of this in a legal letter that Representative Jim Jordan has now publicized.
	And this is YouTube slash Google trying to play nice with the Trump administration.
	And now they're saying that they admit to all the censorship.
	They censored people over COVID.
	They censored people for political speech.
	And they say it was wrong and they won't do it again.
	Right.
	And that's it.
	So where are the arrests of the Google YouTube executives who committed treason, who interfered in elections, who got people killed because they censored information that could have helped people avoid deadly bioweapons jabs?
	You know, Google and YouTube are guilty of treason and they're complicit in mass murder.
	And it's no coincidence that the former CEO of YouTube, Susan Wajiki, I think is her name, she died after taking the vaccine.
	She's dead.
	She joins a lot of other people who she killed through their censorship policies or she was complicit in their deaths.
	Not that she murdered them directly, but she caused their death through censorship and by transforming Google and YouTube into actual ignorance engines to keep people isolated from information that could have helped them.
	So now Google and YouTube want to play nice.
	Well, I say that's not enough.
	And by the way, I had my staff check my channel on YouTube to see if we could post anything.
	And of course, my channel is permanently banned with a message.
	And I posted this on X. It's a message that says you won't be able to return or your channel will never be reinstated because of medical misinformation.
	It's a message.
	Again, I did a screenshot of that and I posted it.
	So I am, of course, permanently banned on YouTube for being one of the voices of truth, a voice of reason, a voice of empowering people, a voice of saving lives, a voice of natural health and nutrition.
	And that will get you permanently banned on YouTube.
	So no, they aren't reversing course.
	I'm still permanently banned.
	And I saw a post from people like Dr. Chris Martinson who said, just as of yesterday, guess what?
	They're still, YouTube is still banning anybody that mentions vaccines.
	Of course they are.
	It's all part of their algorithm.
	And YouTube is lying to Congress, lying to the GOP, claiming that they're no longer going to be censoring anything about COVID.
	Of course they are.
	They're going to keep censoring anybody who tells the truth about vaccines or chemotherapy or psychiatric drugs or globalist depopulation agendas or anything along those lines because YouTube is all about narrative control.
	Just like TikTok now being purchased by wealthy Israel-linked billionaires like Larry Ellison, who's the largest donor to the IDF.
	I mean, Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle, his money goes to fund genocide.
	And he's going to be the top owner of TikTok.
	And TikTok is already scrubbing all content of anything that's critical of Israel.
	So just like YouTube would not allow you to criticize vaccines or criticize transgenderism or criticize Biden.
	Well, TikTok won't let you criticize Israel.
	You can't criticize genocide.
	You won't even be able to mention the word genocide.
	You can't say ethnic cleansing because, of course, it's all about narrative control.
	We do not have free speech on these major tech platforms.
	What we have is different agendas by the different owners, none of whom are committed to actual freedom of speech or the freedom to think.
	And some of the censorship, or most of it, it's on the radical left-wing side.
	But then now with TikTok, the censorship is coming from the right-wing side.
	So either way, it's still censorship.
	Either way, it's still all, you know, it's a violation of civil rights.
	It's unconstitutional when the government gets involved with it, which is what the Trump administration is doing now.
	So the Trump administration is pressuring these platforms to censor speech that's critical of Israel in exactly the same way that the Biden administration was pressuring platforms to censor speech critical of vaccines.
	It's, again, it's the same censorship just recycled.
	So my company, Brighteon, has a federal lawsuit pending against YouTube and Meta and X and the Department of Defense and other entities.
	It's the Brighteon lawsuit.
	It's in the federal courts.
	And, you know, YouTube just basically admitted to everything that we said in the lawsuit.
	So I need to reach out to my attorneys and ask them, you know, so what's the next step here?
	Because this looks like YouTube just admitted to everything that we allege.
	It's like, well, case closed.
	We don't even have to prove it in court anymore because YouTube just proved it themselves in their own letter.
	And yet, even though we've sued YouTube, they still won't let me back on the platform, will they?
	Nope.
	Why?
	Because I was one of the largest organic voices for natural health and nutrition and questioning big pharma going all the way back to about 2003.
	And they knew that they had to silence me and others like me in order to control the narrative because, of course, YouTube is run by globalists and globalists are pushing depopulation.
	And they know the only way they can achieve depopulation is to silence voices like mine that teach people how to avoid being killed by vaccines, how to avoid being killed by pesticides or toxic substances, heavy metals, hormone disruptors, you name it.
	So I believe that YouTube is actually promoting an anti-human agenda that they are working with globalists to achieve depopulation, that is human extermination.
	And that's why they're silencing voices like mine because I'm pro-human.
	I'm trying to keep humanity alive.
	I want to show people how to be healthy, how to protect themselves from a spike protein shedding, or why you should never take any vaccine, not any vaccine, certainly not the flu vaccine either.
	And my position is actually backed by reality.
	YouTube's position is backed by anti-human globalists who are pushing for global extermination of the human race, you see.
	But the GOP is going to let them get away with it.
	Just like Trump invited all the tech people to have dinner with him at the White House, you know, Bill Gates and the head of Google and, you know, the head of Zuckerberg was there, Facebook, Meta.
	Trump just wants money from the tech giants, just wants them to pledge to make new investments.
	Trump doesn't seem to be really interested in forcing them to engage in freedom of speech, freedom of expression at all.
	For Trump, it seems to be just, again, all about how much money can he get from the tech companies or at least promises of money to build AI data centers.
	But the truth be damned, and none of us who are censored will ever get any justice for all the economic damage, the reputation damage, the years lost, the years of our lives that have been lost where we should have been reaching hundreds of millions of people.
	And instead, we were completely silenced.
	I've been silenced for a decade from YouTube, a decade.
	And, you know, you can't get those years back.
	And YouTube knows exactly what they did.
	So they silenced me and others like me for a decade.
	And then they just say, oh, we're sorry.
	We won't do it again.
	But they keep doing it.
	So they're just liars and fraudsters and anti-humanists the whole time.
	It's just incredible.
	And Trump's letting them get away with it.
	So I think Trump should send in armed federal agents, march into the offices of Google and YouTube and say, shut it all down.
	You shut it all down until you stop the censorship.
	And you need to compensate all those that you censored for all those years.
	And you need to reinstate all the accounts that you censored.
	You need to remonetize the accounts.
	Not that I don't care about monetization on YouTube, but I do want to have the right to speak.
	But for a lot of the other organizations, the smaller independent media outlets, you know, YouTube destroyed them.
	I remember, you know, Gary Franci, Next News Network, who has made a comeback and he's now a White House correspondent, by the way, for his own network.
	They nearly wiped him out.
	I mean, he was, frankly, I mean, destitute because YouTube cut off his revenues.
	And YouTube did that deliberately to all the conservative channels and anybody who was promoting natural health.
	YouTube knew exactly what they were doing.
	They used demonetization as a weapon of censorship while they were simultaneously monetizing and prioritizing all the left-wing lunatics that were pushing, you know, transgenderism, LGBT nonsense, climate change nonsense, and pumping up Joe Biden.
	So YouTube and Google deliberately caused severe political or geopolitical and economic damage to America and contributed to mass deaths from the COVID vaccine.
	And yet they're going to get away with it.
	There will be no repercussions for YouTube and Google, no matter how severe their crimes, no matter how many people are dead because of them, no matter how many lives were destroyed because of their censorship and demonetization.
	And that's just wrong.
	We need accountability.
	We need the corporations that deliberately engaged in a conspiracy of censorship to be held accountable for their actions.
	And that's what I'm attempting to do with my lawsuit is to hold them accountable and to get from them a legally binding commitment to no longer censor people over issues like vaccines, COVID and pandemics and the CDC and the FDA and politics, elections, etc.
	That's the goal of my lawsuit.
	And of course, for all of us to be reinstated.
	So that's why I'm continuing my lawsuit.
	It has cost us many hundreds of thousands of dollars so far, and it will cost us more.
	I don't know.
	We might be over a million dollars into this lawsuit pretty soon.
	We'll see.
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	And I'm fighting for the First Amendment rights of all Americans.
	Now, these revelations by YouTube and Representative Jim Jordan, this is all good news.
	I mean, it just proves our case.
	It proves that we've been correct this entire time.
	And hopefully this will lend a lot of support to our case as our case works its way through the court system.
	But, you know, the courts are sometimes very corrupt, often.
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	Trump got himself painted into a corner.
	Okay.
	Okay, Poochie.
	You resolve the Ukraine crisis in 50 days or else.
	No, not 50 days, five days.
	I remember that.
	Or else.
	Okay, so they go to Anchorage.
	So what's Trump doing?
	Well, he thinks maybe his incredible persuasive powers might change his mind.
	So they spend three hours trying to change Poochie's, please.
	Let's have some kind of immediate ceasefire.
	That's what everybody was thinking.
	Wouldn't be good.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And did you hear me?
	Yes.
	Trump may have thought that he could convince Poochie to change his mind, but the opposite happened.
	All right.
	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And I'm just thrilled to have on our show today a returning guest who is he's a CIA, a former CIA person who briefed presidents, did the CIA briefings for different presidents.
	And it's Ray McGovern, and his website is raymcovern.com.
	That's M-C-G-O-V-E-R-N, raymcgovern.com.
	And I really greatly appreciate his analysis, his courage, and the wisdom and his experience that he brings to these conversations about Trump, Ukraine, Russia, Zelensky, and so much more.
	So, Mr. McGovern, it's an honor to have you on the show today.
	Thank you so much for joining me.
	Thank you, Mike.
	It's just great to have you here.
	And can I just call you Ray for the interview?
	Okay.
	People who call me Mr. McGovern make me feel even older than I am.
	Well, the benefit of age is wisdom and knowledge, and you bring so much to the table on that.
	That's why we're honored to have you here.
	So can we just start out with your brief take on the aftermath of the Alaska meeting between Trump and Putin?
	And then we'll get to the more recent meeting in D.C. with Zelensky.
	But what do you make of this?
	Well, I make of it the fact that what we experienced, if not old, Kremlinologists made of it going in.
	We have been watching what Putin and Lavrov, this foreign minister, and Mushakov, Putin's right man on this, and all manner of people.
	Yapkov, the deputy secretary of state equivalent of deputy foreign minister.
	And they've all been saying, look, we want to have a more decent relationship with the United States of America.
	Huh?
	Well, they've been saying that since Trump came into office.
	Now, why do they say that?
	Because they have their heads screwed on correctly.
	What I mean is that this is the overreaching, overreaching aim of any sensible statesman or stateswoman so that these two nuclear powers don't go at it throat to throat like they almost did at the end of Biden's administration.
	Let's face it, we were closer to nuclear war then than we had been since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	And I was there in the army during the Cuban Missile Crisis in the southern part of the United States.
	I know how tense things were.
	So they have been saying this, and everybody said, well, who can believe Poochie?
	Well, what happened was Trump got himself painted into a corner.
	Okay, now this goes back to last month.
	He said, all right, that's it.
	Okay, Pooh, you resolve the Ukraine crisis in 50 days or else.
	What was the, or else, sanctions.
	Now, over the last several years, the Russians have shown themselves impervious to sanctions.
	Matter of fact, they've got a better economy than anyone in Europe, okay, because they're not how they deal with sanctions.
	And they have China and India help them out by buying all the oil that the Russians can give them.
	So sanctions are a no-winner.
	Oh, how about secondary sanctions?
	Anybody trading with the United States, right?
	Well, that would be China and India.
	No more buying oil.
	Well, how ridiculous.
	Who told him to say that?
	Anyhow, then he says, compounding the error, no, not 50 days, five days.
	I remember that.
	Or else.
	So five days is up on, let's see, what was it?
	I think the 8th, yeah, the 8th of August.
	Oh my.
	The Chinese say, in effect, well, I won't use a vernacular here.
	They're just, we're not going to abide by any secondary sanctions.
	Indians say the same thing.
	And the Russians say, bring your sanctions on.
	We're used to them, you know.
	And Trump is finally advised by somebody sensible, Witkoff, for example, that, you know, this is really embarrassing.
	There's got to be some way out of this.
	And so Trump says, okay, well, you're a good deal maker.
	Go see Trump.
	Trump talks to you.
	He knows that you're twice as smart as Rubio or Kellogg.
	I mean, that's damning faint phrase, but okay, so go to Moscow.
	So he goes on the 6th of August, right?
	Two days before the expiration, and he says, look, we need some sort of a deal.
	We don't want to put more sanctions on you.
	You know, we don't want to do these secondary sanctions, at least not in China.
	So what can we do?
	How can we get out of this?
	And they get talking for three hours or more.
	And Trump obviously says, well, you know, here's a way we can do away with all this stuff having to do with Ukraine.
	Your president keeps saying he wants to summit.
	Well, let's have a summit.
	And these are the terms, okay?
	These are the terms.
	We have these terms for any agreement, and we're not going to flinch from them.
	But a summit would be good, as your president says, for a person-to-person thing.
	And then we'll talk these things eyeball to eyeball, and then we can understand each other much better, okay?
	And Witkoff says, thank you, Jesus, or thank you, Yahweh, or whoever.
	He says, this is really great.
	Okay.
	It was actually Witkoff's idea, I believe, to broach the summit.
	So there's general agreement on the summit.
	What happens two days later?
	Oh, well, under these circumstances, it's not necessary to talk about tariffs or sanctions or anything.
	Of course not.
	China, we'll put them off in 90 days, secondary sanctions.
	And India, now, again, whoever is advising Trump on India doesn't have his or her screwing on, right?
	Because they say, oh, we'll double the sanctions on India.
	That'll show them.
	So the Indians are now in the position of taking the brunt of these secondary sanctions, if that's what they still call them.
	And well, one result of that is you have the Chinese foreign minister in New Delhi yesterday and today and tomorrow.
	The Indians and the Chinese never got along real well, right?
	But now they can.
	And now they do.
	Strong economic ties.
	And Modi may go to Beijing for the first time.
	Well, first time at least in five years, in my view.
	So anyhow, they've driven not only the Russians and the Chinese together, but the Indians to boot.
	And that's most of the world, folks.
	That's most of the world.
	So what am I saying here?
	Out of the summit comes this agreement that they would meet and sanctions just sort of waft away.
	Please forget about those sanctions.
	And the deadline, five days or 50 days, forget about it.
	Okay, so they go to Anchorage.
	And you see that Putin is given red corporate treatment.
	I mean, now, Trump did bow to the hardliners and the warmongers and the neocons and made sure that one of these fancy stealth bombers flew over when Poochie was coming down the red corporate.
	But there was just a SOP.
	And then there were plans of raid along with, that's a sop.
	Putin knows what the deal is.
	The big thing was this open-handed handshake, right?
	And then the clear rapport that they have with each other.
	One other thing which was really telling to me, Trump welcomes Putin very warmly and then says, okay, let's go.
	And instead of they going to their respective limos, Putin goes into Trump's limousine, his big Cadillac.
	They call it the big beast or something like that.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	And then Trump said, now, how long did that trip take?
	11 minutes.
	Whoa, that's enough time, you know, to catch up without these secretaries of state or their social security advisors having to listen in.
	Now, the important thing is what happened there.
	Now, on the way on the flight there, Trump told Brett Baer of Fox News, Brett, I have to tell you that, you know, if there's not some kind of a ceasefire agreement in some form, I'm going to be very, very disappointed.
	Okay.
	So now in my day, journalists would write that down, put it on the wire, and a couple hours later, people would see it.
	But Bert got the right answer.
	So Putin knew when he arrived that Trump had said this.
	Putin also knew that he had told Trump, no deal, we're not going to do this.
	So what's Trump doing?
	Well, he thinks maybe his incredible persuasive powers might change his mind.
	So they spend three hours trying to change Putin.
	Please, let's have some kind of immediate ceasefire because that's what the Europeans want.
	That's what everybody wants.
	It wouldn't be good.
	Net.
	Yet.
	And did you hear me?
	Yet.
	Okay.
	So that's why Trump looked all washed out and didn't even begin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nyet means net.
	Remember that?
	But also, Trump is the one whose mind was changed here because he abandoned the ceasefire demand.
	That's exactly right.
	It's a major victory for Putin.
	And then also at the same time, and I'd like you to speak to this.
	This is such a sea change from the approach of total isolation of Russia that the Biden administration was trying to achieve.
	And even to some degree under the first Trump administration, this is Trump really saying to the world that we recognize that Russia has a right to exist and that Russia has its own self-interests that are unique to the nation of Russia.
	And we're going to acknowledge Russia's existence and work with Russia instead of trying to destroy the country.
	I mean, that's huge.
	That's exactly right.
	That's the choreography that attended all this.
	And it was a big plus for Putin because, you know, everyone's demonizing him as the devil incarnate, or at least Hitler, right?
	And Russians the same.
	So here he's been given a respectful welcome, and he's allowed to talk to Trump for three hours.
	And among what I'm trying to get at is the substantive part where Trump may have thought that he could convince Pucci to change his mind, but the opposite happened.
	Yes.
	Trump changed his mind.
	How long did it take him to change his mind?
	Oh, a couple hours.
	He comes on the truth social and says that, well, you know, that's not a good idea to have an immediate ceasefire.
	We need a whole deal here.
	People negotiate when they're at war, so that's what we'll do.
	And so he stepped back on that.
	So not only did he step back on the sanctions and the secondary sanction of the threat or else, but now he stepped back on something really important.
	Now, why did he say to Burton Baer that he would be very disappointed?
	Well, Pooci knew that he would be disappointed, that Trump would be disappointed, but that doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
	Okay.
	Yeah, be disappointed, Trump, but change your mind back.
	Okay.
	So now Trump can go to the Europeans and say, you know, I gave it a try.
	I gave it the college try.
	I said, I'll really be this way.
	And I was really disappointed.
	But here's the real world.
	So, you know, it's pretty artful, actually.
	It's something that I would have not seen Trump as being able to do, given the advisors that he has had.
	But I think Witkoff is the key here for Trump.
	I think he's getting some good advice for Witkoff.
	And the way the whole thing played out, not only after the summit on Saturday and Sunday, but yesterday.
	My, my goodness, yesterday was quite a historic moment.
	And we could talk about that if you like.
	I do, but first, I want to wrap up.
	I've got a comment about the Alaska summit.
	I want to get your response to that.
	So following that, and I think you and I both agree, we're very happy with Trump's performance there and how he was able to attempt to de-escalate the situation through means that you've just described.
	But now, the hard part is that it seems like it puts Trump in the position of attempting to sell Russia's demands to Western European leaders and Zelensky, neither one of which have any interest whatsoever in honoring Russia's existence or its demands.
	Although Trump cleverly does give himself an off-ramp to say, like you said, I tried, and Europe rejected it.
	But isn't Zelensky now see, this is the catch-22 that I wanted to ask you about.
	Zelensky, his term, his presidential term, expired more than a year ago.
	He has no constitutional authority according to Ukrainian law, and yet he's the one who can veto this deal.
	And he's already said that he would reject the territorial claims of Russia.
	How does that ever change?
	And maybe that leads us to what happened on Monday, but you tell me.
	Well, Mike, at Anchorage, it's clear that Putin had a chance to explain one-on-one, or well, three-on-three, and earlier for 11 minutes,
	one-on-one, what Russia's core interests have been in Ukraine, how Russia felt extremely provoked into doing what it had to do, in its view, how the Secretary General of NATO at the time,
	Jens Stolenberg, said publicly to the European Parliament, the Russians told us that if we keep trying to get Ukraine into NATO, they will have to invade, invade Ukraine.
	And we said no.
	Ha ha, we said no.
	He said that two years ago.
	Already several hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians, young Russians had perished.
	That's the kind of leadership we have at the top of NATO, okay?
	What I'm saying here is that that's the Secretary General of NATO.
	And he says that the reasons the Russians invaded was because they were afraid that Ukraine would get a NATO.
	Now, it's very clear that Trump's advisors have not really filled them in on this.
	But in addition to all this, I'm convinced that what Putin did was say, now, Mr. President, I love Roff here, Mike, Foreign Secretary.
	Sergei, show Mr. Trump the map.
	Map?
	Oh, yeah, the map of the front lines.
	And Mushakov, would you bring that map about the disposition of forces behind the front lines?
	My God, you know?
	And Trump looks like, well, I think I know.
	No, I haven't seen it.
	No.
	So Russia has a million troops behind front lines?
	Oh, my.
	Okay.
	And Sergei Lavrov, would you show Mr. Trump the economic statistics about Russia's progress for the last several years?
	Okay.
	Oh, they're positive.
	And how many do we estimate?
	Well, how many do we know Russians were killed on the front?
	Well, 220,000.
	And Trump would say, I thought it was 2 million.
	And they said, well, who told you that?
	Well, the Institute for the Study of War.
	Of course.
	So what I'm saying here is that he got a real big dose of reality.
	And after that, after that, I think it was not so hard for Putin to say, now, look, can you understand now why we're not willing to allow a ceasefire where the Europeans, if not you, resupply and rearm.
	We're not going to do that, okay?
	So I thought we had agreed you weren't going to raise that.
	I know maybe there were reasons why you had to raise it, but forgot about it.
	Nyet means nyet.
	So what happens?
	Well, as I say, Trump acknowledges that there was a net there and that he tried, but he failed.
	And we have a whole complete deal now.
	And that's what we'll work toward.
	And Zelensky doesn't like it.
	And Trump has promised to call Zelensky, so he does.
	And then he summons him to the scene of the crime in February when Zelensky was really treated abusively in my view.
	You don't treat him.
	I mean, I really almost felt sorry for him, Mike, you know, with Vance twice his size and the rest of them all beaten up on him, but not really.
	He deserved it.
	But now he's coming back to the scene of the crime.
	Oh, yeah, I'll come.
	How soon can I come?
	Well, how about Monday?
	Okay, Monday.
	That's a good sign, okay?
	Trump's going to give Zelensky the reality here.
	And the reality here is, well, let me use this analogy.
	Stalin, when he was warned about the Pope, could oppose what's going on.
	He said, well, how many divisions does the Pope have?
	Well, how many divisions do the Europeans have?
	Two?
	Three?
	In other words, it's not only the fact that the Russians are clearly overrunning what's left of the Ukrainian forces, but that the Europeans have just rhetoric to oppose this.
	And so what do they say?
	Oh, we've got to build our armaments, factories, and all that stuff.
	And we think the Russians are going to wait until 2029 to cause us more trouble.
	So let's, you know, this whole business about the military-industrial complex, profiteering on all this stuff.
	So it was very transparent.
	Now, when I heard all of a sudden that not only Zelensky's invited, but that these, well, I'm doing a piece now for tomorrow's publication.
	It's called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
	Is von der Leyen Snow White?
	Please don't misunderstand me.
	Yeah, because I can think of the seven dwarves of the seven European leaders.
	Right.
	So who's Snow White?
	Well, now don't misunderstand me.
	I have no brief for President Trump, except when he does something sensible, like he has for the last couple of weeks, okay?
	So please don't call me in Putin's pocket.
	He's no Snow White.
	Nor do I fear being put into Putin's pocket by those who wish to because I'm already there, you know, because I tell what I think to be the truth.
	But there they were, you know.
	And I said first, oh, Mr. Trump, that's really stupid.
	I'm like, God, you'll be eight against one.
	Well, maybe you could bring Vance in there.
	He's a pretty big guy.
	And then I realized, no, no, no.
	He's more clever than you are, McGovern.
	He's going to talk to Zelensky first at 1.15.
	Read him the Riot Act.
	Show him the map, right?
	The map, the map of Ukraine.
	Well, the map that he showed Zelensky was sanitized.
	I'm sure he gave him some other maps that showed the reality that Zelensky might not be exposed to by those Ukrainians that work for him.
	Anyhow, what he did was stage the visit.
	So he told Zelensky which end is up first.
	And then there was an hour for Zelensky to go back to the seven dwarfs.
	Oh, my God, they're not going to have an immediate ceasefire.
	And they're going to try to get a meeting from me with Putin.
	But I say, I can't do it.
	Tuti says, oh my God.
	And then the seven dwarfs come and they all get their picture taken.
	And then they say stupid things like bouts and macron.
	We think maybe an immediate ceasefire is a good idea before more negotiations.
	And Trump said, okay, that's nice what you think.
	It's nice what you think.
	Okay.
	And now I'm going to call Putin and tell him what happened here and try to set up a meeting between, well, between the three of us.
	If that will happen, you know, we'll try to push that through.
	Meanwhile, please go back to your countries and try to explain what happened.
	The deal is no immediate ceasefire.
	And if you want to try to rescue this situation, if you want to try to encourage this guy, Zelensky, to think that you can do what the United States of America couldn't do after spending $200 billion, that you know, you give it a try.
	That'd be nice.
	We'll just hand the whole thing off to you.
	That's where it stands.
	And I can't believe the naïve on the part of these Europeans.
	Some of them are real tall, but they're all dwarfs.
	Yeah.
	No offense to dwarfs.
	Yeah, no offense to dwarfs.
	And I don't think, I still don't see how this becomes a deal because Zelensky has not indicated any willingness to budge on his terms.
	And I think that the information that comes to Zelensky is very tightly controlled by MI6 and possibly the CIA.
	And MI6 is living, in my opinion, in a delusional world where they still think that the British government can represent a legitimate kinetic threat against Russia somehow.
	And also, Ray, the idea that these Western European countries believe that they can manufacture some new array of military equipment, even when their energy supply from Russia was cut off with the Nord Stream pipeline destruction and their energy costs are through the roof and they're having industrial crises because of that.
	That also seems delusional to me.
	It's like, I feel like Zelensky's not the only one snorting cocaine right now.
	I think the seven dwarves are doing lines.
	What's going on?
	Like, how are these people going to be brought back to reality?
	Well, the reality is that the war is won by the Russians.
	Now, in that context, Zelensky almost doesn't matter.
	Maybe MI6 will get the word, okay, pull the plug on Zelensky.
	The United States has already done so.
	JD Vance 10 days ago, we're done.
	We're done with supplying weapons and money to Ukraine.
	We're done.
	That's it.
	It's over.
	The vice president of the United States.
	Okay, so who's going to do it?
	Well, nobody can do it.
	There are no weapons.
	We don't even have enough weapons for our defense because the ones we didn't give to Ukraine were going to give to Israel.
	Okay.
	It's really a mockery.
	If we expect it to be in a confrontation with Russia or China, a military, really durate duty, you have to let all these weapons go to other places.
	So that's the reality.
	Now, these maps are significant in that respect.
	These maps show that this inexorable march here, very gradual, very deliberate, but hacking away at the Ukrainian offenses, defenses are just about over.
	I mean, they've encircled Pakrovs, really the last stronghold there in the area of Donetsk.
	And so the die is cast.
	Now, the Europeans are, you say, delusional, I say naive.
	Delusional is probably a better word, but they don't have to put up with Zelensky for the rest of their lives.
	Zelensky is going to be replaced by somebody.
	What will happen then?
	I don't know.
	But the war has been won.
	And what Putin and Trump seem to have as an understanding is: look, okay, the war can be ended with an agreement, an ostensible negotiated peace where you, Trump, are accorded enough lipstick to put on this pig of Western Ukrainian and U.S. defeat.
	And we can say, yeah, well, here's what Putin gave.
	Let's say Putin is flexible enough to say, well, we want Ukraine to survive our brother Ukraine nation as a separate entity.
	And to do that, they can't do without access to the Black Sea, and they do that through a Diesa.
	So, yeah, we'll do a deal on a Diesel.
	Maybe we make it kind of a multi-national place or something.
	We won't prevent the Ukrainians from having something more than just a bunch of farmland from which to sell the produce to the rest of Europe.
	Okay, I think, and I could point to a couple of little things that show me that Putin would be agreeable to that if he could get Kardun Sanitaire, a buffer zone large enough to make sure that this stuff doesn't happen again.
	It could be along the Dnieper River.
	It could be farther west, but there's no reason to believe that Putin wants to take over all of Ukraine.
	That would be stupid.
	He's not stupid.
	That would give him a Vietnam right on his doorstep, and he doesn't want that.
	So he wants some sort of a negotiated deal where he will be acknowledged to have won in terms of the Donbass and actually some other gains.
	But he doesn't need the whole enchilada, as we would say.
	And let me just elaborate on this for a second, Mike, because this is really important for your audience to understand.
	People say, well, people, President Biden said, warning, you think Putin is going to stop in Ukraine?
	No, Poland's next.
	And besides, the Baltic states, come on, he's not going to stop, you know.
	Well, who's he listening to?
	He's listening to people like Fiona Hill, who pretends to be a Soviet expert.
	She famously said in January of 2022, big New York Times picture with Putin closing a door, and you have five U.S. presidents, the most recent ones, cowering because the headline says, Putin wants to kick the U.S. out of Europe.
	And that was the whole thing.
	You know, Putin's going to kick.
	Well, now, the fallacy there is this.
	And you can tell us, dear friends, okay?
	The reason we don't think that Putin wants to take the Baltics or Poland or the rest of Ukraine is because he already stopped.
	Oh, wait a second, McGovern.
	What do you mean he already stopped?
	Four days after the Russians invaded, Zelensky appointed his best friend to lead a delegation to try to figure out how to stop them, okay?
	They negotiated starting four days after the 24th of February, that'd be 28th of February up in Belarus.
	Then they brought the negotiations down to Turkey and then Istanbul, okay?
	And they concluded a deal.
	How long?
	About six weeks after the invasion.
	Now, when you hear that the Russians tried a full scale, that's always one of the adjectives hydrated.
	Full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
	Well, come on.
	90,000 troops, it's a loud troop, but a raid against the capital up there in Kiev.
	That's a full-scale, come on.
	What Putin was trying to do is care the hell out of Zelensky, and he succeeded.
	And Zelensky personally supervised his best friend negotiating this thing with the Russian representative, directly getting Putin involved.
	They had a deal.
	It was called the Istanbul deal.
	And it was concretized that Russia would stop as long as Ukraine would stop trying to get into NATO.
	There would be certain limitations on the forces of each side of this line.
	There would be a ceasefire, and they put off Crimea and other things, real thorny issues.
	But later, that was all initials.
	And the negotiator, his name is Arakamiya, is the Ukrainian negotiator, best friend of Putin, head of his faction in the Ukrainian parliament.
	He said all this publicly to the Ukrainian newspapers, the government-controlled newspapers.
	So all I'm saying is, if people say, oh, Putin is not going to stop, well, he did stop.
	He stopped for good reason.
	He got what he wanted.
	They were not going to be shelling the hell out of his Russian-speaking people in the Donbass.
	There was going to be a ceasefire.
	Now, that was the last betrayal.
	Before that came at least three more betrayals, going back to 1990 when H.W. Bush decided or told his Secretary of State, do a deal and promised Karabashov and Shovadnadzi, promised them that we will not move NATO one inch to the east of the East German border as it is now.
	That promise was made.
	It wasn't written down, but it's very clear in many records, foreign ministry records and so forth.
	That was the promise.
	So that was the first betrayal.
	Next one came in Minsk when there was a ceasefire agreed in 2014, violated by the Ukrainians because they wanted more time to train up and weaponize with the U.S. weapons.
	And next one, 2015, Minsk II, where Holland, the French president at the time, and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, promised to guarantee that Minsk II would be in force and that not only would there be a ceasefire,
	but there would be a provision written into the Ukrainian Constitution giving a measure of autonomy to the Donbass, you know, the two provinces there, Donetsk and Lugansk.
	Okay, so.
	And all those were broken.
	Yeah, not only broken, Mike, but this is really the, you know, rubbing it in.
	Four years later, let's see what I'd like to do.
	Yeah, about four years, but well, while the about five or six years later, Merkel says, oh, you know, I guess we tricked the Russians on that one.
	Yeah, we, but we just wanted to buy a little time because in 2014, you know, look at what the Ukrainian army was, it was a joke.
	Now, they're the best trained, best equipped army in Europe.
	We really did it to him.
	And then Olon, the head of France, said the same thing.
	They said at the same time with a big chuckle, he outburded them.
	Now, that was rubbing it in, right?
	And that's the history from which Putin comes from all this.
	And so when the one in Istanbul was done, well, he put priority on giving a measure of trust to Zelensky and his best friend, Arachamia.
	And again, he was betrayed because next thing you know, they were shelling the hell out of the Donbass.
	So where does that leave Putin?
	It means he's going to be really, really careful this time.
	He's not going to agree to any kind of ceasefire unless he gets the rest of his demands met.
	And his demands are pretty simple.
	He says that we have to recognize the realities on the ground.
	And that is that four Ukrainian oblasts have been incorporated under the Russian Constitution as part of Russia.
	Now, the Russians occupy all, almost 97% of Lugansk, about three-fourths of Donetsk, and the other two, Zaporizhia and the other one, Kherson, about 70, 75%.
	So there's room for some sort of, you know, some sort of accommodation on that, but it would take a lot because they are part of intro Russia now.
	And all I'm saying here is that the trust level has gone way down, except after Anchorage.
	It's come up a bit.
	And who has the high cards?
	Of course, Putin does.
	Why?
	Because they've won the war and these European clowns, the seven dwarfs, either don't get it or they think that they can, well, they can measure, they can survive until Trump goes out of office and then maybe some, I'm going to say, maybe some person like Biden that would come in and they could do business again and really stace down Putin.
	Give me a break.
	Well.
	Okay, thank you for that explanation.
	If I were Putin in this case, I would be saying to Trump, look, I'm going to take all this territory anyway, sooner or later, probably this year.
	You know, look at the crumbling Ukrainian defensive lines.
	So if we do a deal that gives us those territories, we're going to get them anyway.
	So that's not much of a concession from Russia's point of view, probably.
	And if I were Putin, and I'm glad you mentioned Odiesa, and thank you for that pronunciation correction.
	Russian forces don't currently occupy Odyssey, so that would be a concession on the Ukraine side.
	But the other thing I want to ask you is that if I'm Putin, I'm also going to ask for the $300 billion in frozen assets that the Western banking system in Europe has frozen and stolen from Russia and use the interest on that $300 billion to fund the Ukrainian war effort.
	I would be asking for that back plus all the interest on the $300 billion back.
	I mean, because that's just straight-up theft in the international monetary plumbing system.
	Do you think that that, I mean, do you have any idea what Putin's demands might expand to include here?
	Well, Putin has the upper hand here.
	He doesn't need a deal.
	He could do without the $300 billion.
	I'm sure that by and by they will go to court to get it back.
	But what matters to him is that the West, and the West really means Trump, recognizes that they're not going to stop, that they have the ability and have shown the ability to take over everything east of the Dnieper River, for God's sake.
	And if they want that to stop, then they have to do a deal.
	Now, Trump has very, very, he's got a pair of deuces, okay?
	Putin has a straight flush, if you play poker.
	Those are the realities.
	And when, as I say, in my mind's eye, Putin showed Trump the real maps, the maps that show where they've come from, how they've attritted, attrited, attrited the Ukrainians, how they've surrounded Pakrovsk, how there's no hope at all for the Ukrainians.
	Well, you know, Trump gets that, okay?
	And he says, okay, I want out of here.
	I'll have J.D. Vance say, hey, this is over.
	This is done.
	No more support from us.
	And then let the Europeans fend for themselves in trying to make this good.
	He said that.
	He said, this is now up to Zelensky and the Europeans.
	The trouble is the Europeans are so feckless.
	I mean, the politicians that have bubbled up to the top of the government in these countries, you know, through their political process, are so inept that they don't seem to get it yet.
	But I think they will now, because I think in the private discussions, Trump has probably said, look, forget about an immediate ceasefire.
	You're in no position to do it.
	How many divisions do you have?
	How many do you really have?
	How many naval vessels do you have?
	We'll take care of this.
	Just realize that we've lost.
	And besides, it wasn't my war.
	It was Biden's war.
	And what I'm trying to do is stop the killing.
	Now, that sounds pretty good, right?
	Stop the killing.
	I'm all for stopping the killing.
	If it was Biden's war, well, yeah, it was pretty much Biden's war.
	Well, okay.
	It really was Biden's war, but it was also, I think, Biden's money laundering platform, too, because, right, a lot of the money went to Ukraine, and then a lot of kickbacks came to the Democrats, probably ended up in campaign contributions and paying off, you know, judges and whoever else needed to be paid.
	Don't forget Hunter.
	Hunter was using it for his charitable donations, no doubt.
	Yeah, right.
	And so I would think that one of the incentives for Trump to end this is also to cut off the money laundering pipeline, which probably remnants of that still exist.
	But the pressures that Trump will be facing domestically would be from the military-industrial complex that wants to keep this going.
	Obviously, all the Democrats, and obviously all the neocons, and all the European leaders.
	So it's as if Trump and Putin, it appears to me, are the only two people that want peace right now.
	And everybody else wants the war to continue.
	Zelensky for his own political survival.
	The Europeans so they can assert wartime control over their own populations and continue their censorship regimes and have an excuse for why their societies are falling apart.
	I mean, does this sound about right?
	Or would you correct me on any of that?
	Am I leaping to a false conclusion there?
	What do you say?
	No, Mike, you're playing a really effective devil's advocate here because it's a very real, a very real question as to whether Trump and Putin can prevail.
	Now, Putin can prevail, but he doesn't want to prevail in such a way that he's got an insurrection in part of Ukraine that he has to come across as extremely brutal with the rest of Ukraine, including Odyssey.
	So there have been signs all along that Putin would really like to have a deal if he had somebody to deal with.
	Now he does, okay?
	Biden, no, no deal.
	Now, here's a little vignette here.
	You probably know that Putin holds these marathon Q ⁇ A's after giving an end of the year report, usually in December, for 20 minutes, and then the Q ⁇ A goes out for almost four hours.
	Okay.
	So toward the end of one of these things, it was in October of 2023, okay?
	He's asked what I think was a planted question.
	A Serbian, I think it was, a newspaper person says, now, Mr. President, Mr. President Putin, I am trying to plan a visit to Odyssey.
	I like to go there.
	And I'm just wondering, do you recommend that I apply for a Ukrainian or for a Russian visa?
	Okay?
	Pretty clever.
	Yes.
	So Putin goes on talking about Odyssey.
	I've been there.
	It is.
	It's a beautiful, beautiful city.
	Catherine the Great establishes.
	Trump says, you know, Adysa, it could be in Russian, yabluka razora, an apple of discord.
	Or it could be a way of getting together seemingly irreconcilable differences into a new kind of pact.
	So Apple of Discord, of course, that goes back to the Trojan War and all that kind of stuff.
	But you know what it is?
	Apple of Discord.
	So he's saying, look, we can maybe deal with Odyssey.
	And it doesn't have to be an apple of discord.
	It can be sort of a negotiated thing which nobody really expects.
	Now, why do you say that?
	In my day, we analysts, it probably take us three days to get the speech or the problem, which it is.
	But my God, this looks like an offer here.
	I would tell the president.
	But this is not my day.
	This is today.
	Now, I'll bet you $100 that there was no Western journalist or even member of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow that stayed around for three and a half or four hours.
	And there was nothing in the press to make note of this.
	So it's quite possible that unless Putin told Trump this in Anchorage on Friday, that he's never even become aware of the fact that there'll be these sort of semi-olive branches that go, look, I don't have to keep Adieusa.
	You know, it could be something other than a yablokaza, other than an object of discord.
	Okay.
	So that's the problem.
	In other words, there are ways out.
	It's just that until Witkoff came on the scene, we don't have anybody really able to advise Trump and keep him completely posted.
	And instead, he says stupid things like the Russians have lost 2 million troops and that the Russian economy is falling apart.
	My God, we veteran intelligence professionals for sanity have published lots of things that should educate these folks.
	But of course, we never get the time of day in the media, never get any ink or air.
	And whether what we send to the White House Situation Room ever gets anywhere is something we're not quite sure of.
	Well, I'm a fan of your work and your interviews, Ray, and that's why I invited you on the show today.
	And I follow you on Judge Knapp's show and others as well.
	So I know you're doing your part to get the word out.
	So let me ask you for your final assessment.
	Your best guess, if I dare ask you for this.
	Do you think that an actual peace deal involving Putin, Zelensky, and Trump will be achieved this month, let's say, August?
	Is it going to happen or is it going to fall apart and we're just going to end up, you know, Russia's going to end up resolving it on the battlefield anyway over the next six months or whatever it takes?
	Where does this go?
	Well, the answer is no, not in the next month.
	Zelensky is the fly in the ointment.
	Unless Putin gets some sort of assurance that Zelensky is either on his way out or that he has finally come to the moment and the realization that he's lost, Putin will never meet with him.
	I can assure you of that.
	Really?
	Okay.
	Now, I think Putin will probably say, look, we have this negotiation process already going.
	We're meeting with the Ukrainians.
	And that's the level at which we should be negotiating.
	I mean, when presidents meet, that's when they come to conclude agreements already having been negotiated, for God's sake.
	Let's go back to Istanbul, wherever these negotiations take place, and continue with a real purpose here until the day when I can see that there is reasonable prospect that the Ukrainians are worth negotiating with.
	So this news is you can.
	I'm sorry, Ray, but in the meantime, until there is a peace deal, do you anticipate that Trump will continue to approve the USA providing weapons and money to Ukraine?
	Man, Mike, you asked the right questions.
	Not my first rodeo, Ray.
	And I listened to you.
	I listened to you.
	So you're educating me.
	Well, you want an honest answer?
	Yeah.
	Beats the hell out of me.
	Now, my impression is that Trump is giving Ukraine the weapons that are left in the pipeline, a very lucrative pipeline that Biden approved before it went out the door.
	And there were billions of dollars in that pipeline.
	Now, what did Putin ask Trump in return for some of the things that Putin was willing to say about Trump, like he's not Biden?
	That's a big thing.
	Yeah, or this war never would have started.
	Yeah.
	If Trump were president.
	Yeah.
	So I'm sure you'd say, now, if you guys are serious, that is Putin, if you all are serious about ending this damn war, why the hell are you still sending arms to Ukraine?
	Now, let's assume he is.
	I mean, everybody says he is, but I don't know what kind of arm.
	He's certainly not allowing U.S. technology to power long-range missiles from France or, you know, so it seems to me that he's already told the Germans as well, the Germans and the French and the British, look, we don't want any of these longer-range missiles fired into Russia.
	I imagine that Trump is open to saying, look, we need to make sure that everybody takes these negotiations seriously.
	If you ever think you would like to even hope to have a ceasefire, you got to knock off sending weapons to Ukraine.
	The other thing, Mike, is that Putin has been very careful and his Ministry of Defense has been very careful to show what happens on the ground if they try, for example, the Germans, that they have this, what's it called, Tauhus, Tauhorus missile, okay?
	Pretty dangerous, you know, a long range, okay?
	Now, they were going to not want to give the Ukrainians the missiles because everyone knows from intercepted conversations between the very top Air Force generals.
	I remember that, yeah.
	Do you remember that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, with the Crimean Bridge.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It would require German technicians, German people in place in Ukraine to run these things, okay?
	So what do they do?
	Well, they're building a joint factory, a joint factory in this location, Depetrovsk, I believe, in Ukraine.
	And they're going to, so not only will the Germans, actually the Ukrainians pretty much own this, but they'll be trained in their farm.
	So what happened to that last week?
	Obliterated.
	And this time that word is used advisedly.
	The thing was creamed by several missiles.
	And so, you know, it's just idiocy to think that Ukraine could ever face into a much more powerful Russia on its doorstep.
	And let me just close with this observation.
	This is a no-brainer, okay?
	As a matter of fact, Obama in 2015 warned.
	He said, look.
	I am against sending offensive missiles to Ukraine.
	And the reason I'm against it is because the worst thing we could possibly do to the Ukrainians is to give them the benefit idea that they could prevail over a much stronger Russia on their doorstep.
	So no, no offensive stuff.
	So was he right about that?
	He also said, also in 2015, you know, we have to have to be careful about what we pick as the issues we might want to go to war for, okay, are our basic core interests.
	And folks, Ukraine ain't one of them.
	Okay.
	Now, if you look at our opponents here, the Russians, uh-oh, Ukraine is one of them.
	So no offensive arms to Ukraine.
	Now, he had a Deputy Secretary of State in those days, 2015, who seconded the motion.
	He saluted smartly and said, Mr. President, you're absolutely right.
	For every weapon we could give to Ukraine, the Russians would match it and then double it and then triple it and then, quad, ruple it, end quote.
	Do you know who that Deputy Secretary of State was?
	No, I don't.
	I don't know who that was.
	His name is Anthony Blinken.
	Oh, you're kidding me.
	No.
	Look at the records.
	Wow.
	So, you know, Biden comes in and all of a sudden we're exceptional and we're indispensable and we're unbeatable.
	And so we can do whatever the hell we want abroad.
	These guys were neophytes.
	They didn't know what the, you know, anyhow, they went to the best schools.
	They were the best and brightest, right?
	Just like Vietnam.
	Blinken got hypnotized by Victoria Newland somewhere in there.
	Something happened.
	She used like the sorceress spells on him.
	Anyway, the situation is far from resolved.
	I think that's one of the big takeaways right now.
	That's right.
	Trump has promised the media, I think, today that there would be no U.S. boots on the ground.
	But of course, we know lots of ways they get around that with contractors, et cetera.
	And there's all this talk about security guarantees.
	An Article 5-like defensive agreement for Ukraine, which actually, can you comment on that?
	Because I'm very concerned that that's like a hair-trigger agreement to bring Europe into war with Russia.
	Do you share that concern?
	Actually, my interpretation of all that is this is Witkoff talking to one of those Sunday talk shows.
	We have, we're working on, we think we need, and so does Putin, guarantees for Ukraine security.
	And there would not be NATO, not be NATO, no, it wouldn't be NATO, but it would be Article 5-like.
	Article 5 is the bigger NATO.
	NATO, yeah.
	So what's he saying?
	Nothing.
	Not saying anything.
	As a matter of fact, and this is probably important.
	It is important.
	The Istanbul agreement, which was concluded at the end of March, early April, 2022, six weeks after the war started, which I mentioned before, Putin and Zelensky both having approved it and it having been initialed, okay, it had provisions for security arrangements for Ukraine.
	There were specific countries named that would assume this responsibility.
	Among them, not only NATO countries, but Russia and China.
	Really?
	So, yeah, so this is a real deal.
	Now, why everyone's forgetting that?
	Why everyone's all security guarantees?
	That's what they're going to do.
	Well, they're already in Istanbul.
	And as you probably know, the way the Russians have presented this series of negotiations is Istanbul.2, 02, or whatever they say these days.
	So, you know, the agreement was there.
	Either the U.S. and NATO were incredibly stupid or really ill-intentioned.
	I'll leave the choice to you by saying, no, you can't do that.
	We will support you for as long as it takes, right?
	And don't you face down, you kill all those Russians with every last Ukrainian soldier because we want to weaken Russia, okay?
	My God, that's what it was all about.
	And none other than the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	No, no, it was the Secretary of Defense who has disappeared into woodwork, going back to work for one of those arms, what's it, Austin, yeah.
	Secretary Austin.
	What's the problem?
	The whole thing is to weaken Russia.
	So don't, you know.
	So why Zelensky let him, well, he had illusions of grandeur.
	When the U.S. says, look, we'll support you for as long as it takes.
	Well, I guess he didn't know history because it's only for as long as it's convenient for the United States.
	And sorrowfully for Ukraine, now, right now is as long as it takes.
	It's over, as Vice President Vance has said.
	So in other words, the Nobel Peace Prize remains elusive to Donald Trump because of Zelensky.
	And because Zelensky has been influenced by in 2022, Boris Johnson right out of really MI6 influence.
	And I think that influence continues with Starmer.
	And, well, obviously it does because of his history.
	And so Zelensky remains the puppet in all of this.
	And I would not, like, if there's a polymarket bet on how long Zelensky lives, I would not bet for longevity for Zelensky, is all I'm saying.
	I'm not a betting.
	I don't play those games, but I wouldn't bet on Zelensky being around much longer.
	Yeah, the other thing, Kamaika, is that, you know, there are polls that come out of Ukraine.
	And the last one I saw was 69% of the people in Ukraine, the ones that are still left, okay, want an end to this damn war.
	Yes.
	And there are people waiting in the wings.
	That guy is Luzhny.
	Deluzhny Seluzhny.
	He's in London.
	So they have a lot of delusional folks, but there are probably others they could put in and say, now, Vladimir, thanks for all your good service.
	We'll give you a nice award.
	And why don't you go back to your little villa there or down to your little villa on the Mediterranean?
	So I'm not bearish on this.
	I think a deal is close, but not this month.
	I think over the next couple of months, the Europeans will realize they can't deal with this.
	They have, as you already pointed out, so many domestic, economic, and other problems in their own countries that they'll be facing an insurrection, some of them, unless they deal with them.
	And that will take a lot of pizzazz away from this thing, which is kind of a stillborn effort on Ukraine.
	Because I hate to say it, because I don't like Obama either.
	And Obama was right.
	I mean, how can a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff say to the president, oh, you want to encourage the Ukrainians to make war with Russia?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Oh, to weaken Russia.
	Yeah.
	President of Obama.
	Think about the supply lines.
	I think, I mean, hello.
	Oh, I know.
	Yeah, it's really unthinkable.
	And, you know, Napoleon learned the lesson.
	Adolf Hitler learned the lesson.
	You know, you try to conquer and destroy Russia.
	You're going to pay with the collapse of your own empire.
	I mean, that's history.
	Why would you want to do that in the first place?
	Is Russia a threat?
	People forget that Russia fell apart in 1990, 1991.
	That's when I retired.
	I was a Soviet specialist.
	I clapped myself on the back.
	I said, way to go, Ray.
	You did it.
	It wasn't just with I. It was a whole bunch of us.
	Of course.
	But that was the whole, that was our mission, okay?
	And I knew President George H.W. Bush well enough, having briefed him every other morning for four years and having worked for him at CIA headquarters when he was director, I knew him well enough to think that he was serious when he proposed months before the Berlin Wall fell, that we should have a Europe whole and secure from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
	Now, I think that was his vision.
	It was a good vision.
	It was possible then, and we have seen from the Russian side that it was possible then, okay?
	What happened?
	Well, Bill Clinton came in.
	I hold no brief for Bill Clinton.
	Bill Clinton came in and said, well, let's expand NATO.
	Let's get these people in there.
	And the expansion of NATO double the size of NATO within the next 10 years or so.
	So, you know, if you think the Russians have no grievances, if you think that they weren't definitely afraid of what might happen in Ukraine if it was part of NATO, well, think again, because reality is reality.
	And the fact that you don't get good news or you don't get accurate news about Russia, well, dig a little deeper, folks, and watch Mike Adams, for God's sake.
	Well, I would say to watch you.
	Let me give out your website, raymcovern.com.
	And Ray is a frequent guest with Judge Knapp and many other podcasters and shows.
	And just one last comment, Ray, is that so every week in which there is no peace is another week when Russia takes more territory and holds more cards.
	So the negotiating position of Zelensky is rapidly diminishing.
	And if he doesn't realize that, he's a fool.
	Well, that's where those Europeans come in.
	Their insidious influence on Zelensky.
	They have up till now persuaded him that they can pull his chestnuts out of the fire.
	That just shows how stupid or how desperate he is, okay?
	If the U.S. couldn't do it, how are they going to do it without any troops, without any money?
	Give me a break.
	So now I think it's different.
	Now I think Zelensky, who yesterday thanked President Trump 10 or more times for all his support is, oh, yeah.
	And oh, thanks for that map that you go with.
	Can I get a copy of that map?
	We'll find a way to send that to you.
	Maybe, just maybe.
	Zelensky hasn't seen an accurate map where the policies are, right?
	So I have a bunch of clowns.
	Now, there's a reality striking, and the big news and the good news is that Putin and Trump have seen a way to come to terms with doing the whole deal, the whole enchilada, not just ceasefire, even just an interim ceasefire.
	That's off the table now.
	And whether Trump can use his persuasive powers to say, okay, now, my friend Vlad, okay, let's go meet with Vlodymir Zelensky in Rome or something like that.
	And Vladimir said, well, no, I'm going to be busy.
	Busy, yeah, I'm going to be busy till Christmas because I have to do a lot of Christmas shopping and stuff like that.
	Busy taking territory before Christmas.
	All right, Ray.
	Well, thank you for your analysis and wisdom.
	And we really appreciate your courage in just being very honest about the way you're assessing this.
	And I think your analysis is very valuable.
	And I hope that Trump and others in his orbit listen to you.
	And I hope we get to peace because I don't want bombs going back and forth to Europe.
	I want Trade.
	I want trade with Russia and trade with Ukraine, both.
	And I know people in Ukraine, and they've suffered for far too long.
	And it's time to end the suffering, end the bloodshed, get to peace, get to trade.
	Everybody wins when we're not killing each other.
	It's bottom line.
	That's right.
	Mike, may I just add one note here?
	Please.
	I want to thank your audience and all the other American taxpayers for paying my salary for 27 years and allowing me to focus in on the real deal of what makes Russia and the Soviet Union tick,
	giving me the opportunity to do this all day, every day, not making me like a newspaper person has to be a specialist on everything like Israel and South Africa and Russia, not making me function like a history teacher, a professor who has to counsel students and mark papers and give lectures.
	I tell you, it was a really big deal.
	It was really freeing.
	And best of all, until Bill Casey came in with Reagan, we were able to tell it like it is on the Soviet Union.
	And we did do things to protect our country, which is the reason I came down after John Kennedy said, I don't ask what your country could do for you.
	I want you to think about what you could do for your country.
	So again, I'm sincere here.
	He gave me the opportunity to roam around unfettered, to learn things, and I had a lot to learn, and then to tell it like it is to President Skalor, including Reagan, because by a stroke of luck,
	since I would not bow to the prevailing winds in the CIA that said the Russians were evil incarnate, that the Russian Communist Party would never give up power without a terrible violent upheaval, and that Gedbachev and Shebud Nathan said, they're just more clever commies, okay?
	The advantage I had was that I was not under that particular regime.
	I was briefing these people, Vice President Bush, okay, Secretary Schultz, Secretary Weinberger, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, an array of national security advisors.
	That was my beat every other morning.
	We worked in a team.
	So I could tell them what I really knew from honest analysts of what the Russians were doing.
	I could tell them, look, Gervachev is the real deal.
	Watch them, deal with them.
	And Schultz and the vice president eventually prevailed on President Reagan to do just that.
	And we got not only a more decent relationship, but we got a treaty unique in the history of mankind where both sides destroyed weaponry already in existence.
	I'm talking about intermediate range nuclear-capable missiles in Europe to take them in place and destroy them over a period of a couple of years under tight supervision.
	My friend Scott Ritter was the first one on the scene to see that these things were chopped up.
	Yes.
	Literally.
	So what happened to that?
	Well, John Bolton and the likes of him persuaded Trump to get out of that treaty.
	So there's a lot of repair damage to be done here.
	And I just hope that the Russian analysts now in the CIA can have the chance to breathe, have a chance to tell the truth, and that the President Trump is himself educated enough to entertain the views that the Russians may not all have horns and that Putin is a guy to deal with because on that, on that hinges the security of the world, really.
	The whole world.
	Because as I said before, with Biden, we were very close to a nuclear exchange.
	And you had the head commanders in the Navy saying, oh, you know, these mini nukes, we think we can prevail in a nuclear war, which, of course, Reagan and Garbar Troff said was never the case.
	It's not the case.
	Let's just hope that this proceeds in a salutary direction.
	Agreed.
	Agreed.
	Let's pray for peace and let's continue to share this information that brings us to a de-escalation moment where we can get out of the business of war and get back to the business of trade, which helps foment peace.
	And that's what we want.
	So thank you so much, Ray.
	It's been an honor to speak with you today.
	Have a great rest of your afternoon and we'll talk again soon.
	Thanks, Mike.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	And thank all of you for watching.
	Again, it's Ray McGovern.
	His website is raymcgovern.com.
	I've got it up on my screen here.
	You can check it out.
	You can see some of his appearances and videos and so on.
	And so check out his site.
	Share his videos.
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	Post it on other platforms and help bring us to a moment of peace.
	You know, it's not.
	It doesn't mean you're a puppet of Putin to not want us to all die in a giant global thermonuclear war, right?
	I mean, we all win when we have peace, especially with nuclear powers.
	So thank you all for watching today.
	I'm Mike Adams of Brighteon.com.
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