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Sept. 22, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams with Jonathan Beall: Copper, Craftsmanship, and the Return to Tradition
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Beauty and function, that's always been kind of the guiding principles of the work that we do.
It's not a, you know, it's not like a disposable piece, oh, it's broken, I'm just going to throw it away.
No.
We don't use any kind of plating.
We don't put anything on there just because our pieces are made to be used.
Copper has so many properties that I think humanity has only just begun to really discover them all.
Right.
Or rediscover.
Welcome to today's interview here on BrightTown.com.
I am pleased to be joined today by the founder of a company that makes some incredible, well, water filters and dishware, I mean, so much more out of copper, one of the most historically significant elements that's ever been discovered on planet Earth, right alongside gold and silver.
And it's interesting that they are in the same column on the table of elements as well.
So my guest today is Jonathan Beale, and he's the founder of a company called Certodo, which offers these products.
We're partnering with them at HealthRangerStore.com.
I'll tell you about that coming up.
Welcome, Mr. Beale.
It's an honor to have you here today.
Thank you very much, Mike.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Well, thank you for coming.
And it's great meeting you because when I first saw your products, just the incredible beauty of it and the copper craftsmanship and the purity of it, I was stunned.
And I said to myself, this is what I want to have in my house.
Tell us a little bit about your company, Certodo, and what you're into and why.
Sure.
Well, as you mentioned, copper has been around for a long time, the first mill it really brought humans into the metal age.
And it's just been a part of the human hearth and home for thousands of years and really integral part of many different cultures.
I just really fell into this copper work almost 30 years ago, about 27 years ago now, driving around in Mexico.
And some man was setting some, an ambulance copper vendor was setting some goods out on the side of the road.
And I've been driving all night.
And the same kind of thing that you're noticing here, it just drew me in.
It was shining in the morning light.
And I could just really see just how honest the work was that went into one of these pieces.
Just, you know, if these hammer marks were like an alphabet, you could read the whole story of how these pieces are made here.
So what's incredible to me is that each of these stands as a piece of art in addition to its functionality.
And there's also a health benefit that I'd love to talk about at some point.
But I mean, you could put this in your home as an artwork.
Definitely, definitely.
I totally agree.
Beauty and function, that's always been kind of the guiding principles of the work that we do.
And the pieces that we make, the pieces that I originally started making, you know, almost 30 years ago, people are still using those pieces today.
Wow.
It's not a, you know, it's not like a disposable piece.
Oh, it's broken.
I'm just going to throw it away.
No.
You know, with time and use, it just continues to look better and improve in your house.
And it shows all the wear and time.
And just like your grandmother's old copper pieces, everybody loves to, you know, have those.
And it's the same idea that we have is that 50 years from now when our grandkids are looking through the old copper, they're going to see, oh, this is a Serototo copper piece.
And maybe they'll check in their oculus about where they can get another one.
And hopefully we'll still be around doing that.
But it's funny you mentioned that because what I love about your products is that I think we're having a backlash against the artificial world and we're seeing a cultural return to what's real.
And commodities or elements, metals, precious metals.
Gold, for example, just hit a new all-time high in terms of dollars.
Silver is being purchased in record quantities and it's hit a 14-year high.
All over the world, cultures not only have valued gold and silver and copper, which of course has been used as money in other civilizations before, but they valued it for its specific physical properties, its resilience or like in the case of gold, its resistance to oxidation and so on.
But also then its beauty.
So all three of these have a natural beauty that cannot be synthesized.
Right.
And would you agree that our world is, I mean, people who are informed really value things that are real now, even in a society that's becoming increasingly artificial?
Sure.
I mean, so much is abstract and you can't touch it, whether it's social media, internet, which is a great medium for communication and information, but having things that are real in your life, things you can like touch.
And this is a part of my daily routine.
And it's something that you can really feel.
And when you're using some of our goods, what I always like to say is it's just, when you're grabbing that, it's like, oh, this is something that just feels good.
And copper, speaking of money and value, like the copper penny, well, pennies aren't really copper anymore.
Anymore.
1982 and before they were solid copper, but it's always been something that just is tactile, wants to be around.
And one thing that I've always noticed is just when I have what I call a critical mass of copper on display somewhere, people just can't help themselves but come up and be like, oh, this is so nice.
And they're touching it.
And yeah, there's something that, you know, just throughout our human civilization, we're drawn to this material.
And because of the texture, you want to touch it.
You do want to feel it.
And that's an additional piece of sensory input.
Walk us through this because this is a water filter.
Sure.
This is a gravity filter.
And actually, let's start over here with the side camera.
Can you just tell us what these pieces are?
Oh, certainly.
What we have over there, we've got some my favorite cups, the iced tea cups, and also some Mexican mule cups that we've got over there, whether you want to do tequila, gin, or vodka, ginger beer, any kind of iced drink if you want the strong medicine of like fire water in there.
And then our gangotry pitcher with a lid.
That's the tall one.
Yeah, the tall one.
Let me move it because this is behind it, and it's kind of creating an illusion.
There's the picture.
And here's the lid.
Does that make sense, everybody?
Actually, let me just point this to the camera to show the inside.
Sure, solid copper in there.
And there's our story in there also.
Solid copper and a brochure.
There's the copper that you're looking for right there.
Yeah, we don't use any kind of plating or we don't put any kind of sealant or anything on there.
You know, a lot of the things that people, you know, maybe have come to expect, which is kind of a new thing, is that, oh, this is always going to look like this.
And, you know, when you put some kind of sealant on the copper, it'll look good for maybe two years, but then this oxidization process starts to happen underneath the sealant.
And we don't put anything on there just because our pieces are made to be used.
And they're made to interact with their environment.
And as you use these, you can see just like a warm patina develop, you know, like you would see on a copper penny.
But also at any point, that can be easily polished off with, you know, whether it's lemon juice and salt or some kind of polishing product that's going to bring out this inherent shine of the metal.
Yeah, it just takes a little bit of acid to bring back the shine.
Same thing with silver.
Same thing with silver coins or silver.
Gold is really interesting that it does not tarnish.
Yeah.
It also doesn't harden properly when you work it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And with copper, as you work it, the material, it's a soft material and malleable, which is how we put it through all the processes we do to make something like this.
And the hammering that we do on there isn't just like an aesthetic detail.
It actually does two purposes.
The hammers we use have a real high-polished surface on it, so it's like a mirror when you look at it.
And when you beat it on there, it telescopes that mirror finish onto the material.
And then also what happens is copper has like a crystalline structure, and that crystalline structure compacts and work hardens the piece.
So it just makes for a more durable, more durable good that you're going to get.
That's really interesting.
So when people are looking at this, every facet.
Facet on firearms, it might be called something like stippling or something.
Okay, right.
But every little piece here has been struck by a hammer with a human hand.
To create all of this.
Right, every one of those.
And, you know, I can kind of look at these and see, well, this looks like Jorge was doing it just by the spacing in his lines, the shape of the hammer marks, the hammers.
It's like a signature.
And each one of these pieces is somebody sitting down, putting an incredibly skilled focus into this material to get the results that we get out of there.
And how many years does it take a new person who wants to learn this art, this craft?
How many years does it take them to get to where they could produce a piece like this?
I would say I did an apprenticeship for about a year, and I learned just some of the basic knowledge of, you know, we recycle copper, how to reclaim that copper, melt it down, pound it out into an ingot, raise it into a vessel.
And I would think that for the hammering to really get the pulse, you know, tempo, it's a good probably two months of, you know, we'll have them hammer, you know, starting off on, you know, oh, they might do the bottom of the cups, you know, and get a little technique there.
And then we'll move them up to, you know, something that's simpler on a bigger cup.
And then also what happens is, you know, it's a whole interplay between the tools and the maker and just the position it is on the anvil and being able to maintain the shapes.
You know, we're definitely, our workshop is a mix between, you know, pre-industrial, old world techniques with a few modern tools, semi-modern, early industrial, I would say.
And one of the most modern things we have is a TIG welder.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Which is amazing for welding copper because copper is very sensitive to the to especially to oxygen.
And you have to have a shielded arc to get a really nice weld on the pieces.
Let me tell our audience, if you'd like to get some of these for yourself, because we've partnered with the Certodo company, you can get these at healthrangerstore.com slash copper, which has made it very easy for you to spell.
So again, healthrangerstore.com slash copper.
It will take you here and you can find any of the Certodo products, including the water filter here and many other pieces that I'm not even showing you at the moment.
All of these are available now and they ship from Texas, correct?
Correct.
Yep.
Right here in Austin.
Now, there's so much to talk about when it comes to copper.
Copper is in extremely high demand for industrial uses.
Trump has announced the AI data center expansions in Texas and other places.
We're talking like a trillion dollars of AI data centers, right?
Some significant portion of that is going to be spent on buying copper just for copper wires, the conductivity of copper, right?
Yeah.
There's a 50% tariff on copper from some countries.
There is.
And actually it's on, you know, that went into effect early August.
And currently it's for any copper that comes into the United States, including if you buy your copper in the United States, take it out, work it, bring it back in.
Oh, really?
You know, it's kind of the, we're just going to throw it all against the wall and then kind of figure out what sticks.
So this impacts your company too.
Oh, definitely.
Oh, for some reason I thought that maybe because it was from Mexico, it might be excluded.
Currently, no.
Yeah, there's, you know, it just applies to everything.
Wow.
Everything.
That's a huge tariff.
It is a huge tariff.
It's a huge tariff.
Especially on such a material.
Like I said, data centers.
Right.
Even if people don't enjoy this, you need it in your home wiring and your commercial building wiring.
Oh, it's a foundation to the economy and so many things.
Electric motors, electric vehicles.
Generators.
Generators.
Yeah, wiring your house, plumbing.
Well, plumbing, not so much anymore.
Well, you still can get copper plumbing.
I prefer PEX plumbing.
The PEX is easy to work with.
PEX is easy.
It's easy to work with.
But you're right, all the electrical components, copper wiring, copper coils, magnets, motors, think about production.
Yeah, so many different aspects of our economy.
And then, you know, throughout time, whether it's cookware, you know, before plastics, copper was basically like the material that was used for producing everything, pails, buckets, just because it was so easily, it was so easy to work and turn into sheet and then turn into products.
And my grandparents were young in World War II.
And I remember them telling me stories about how the government would have metal reclamation drives for you to turn in all your copper here, turn in your steel, turn in this and that.
Oh, yeah.
And they'd melt it down and smelt it and use it to make tanks or whatever.
Airplanes, weapons of war.
Yes.
And the American people, they gathered up all their metal and gave it to the war machine, which I wouldn't do that today.
But they did.
Different era.
Oh, for sure.
Actually, one of the things I have is something called a rail gun.
It was a friend of mine.
Her father worked here at UT developing this technology.
Like a railgun rail gun?
A rail gun.
Yeah, like electromagnetic shoots those accelerators that shoots those massive tungsten bullets that anyhow, the capacitator for one of those, you gave it to me.
It's just filled with copper.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm doing a little bit of swords to plow shares with that thing.
All of the copper that we use is actually recycled copper.
You're kidding me.
Right.
I didn't know that.
All reclaimed.
It's mostly out of like electric motors.
You know, we need a copper that's number one, shiny bright in the recycling world, which is a 99% pure copper.
That when we, in the reclamation process, we add about 2% zinc to that that helps with the melting, and then we turn it into sheet.
And then those sheets we form into all the different pieces that we have.
I have so many questions for you about that, but I want to make sure that we introduce this.
This is a water filter.
It's a gravity filter.
And like a lot of gravity filters, the top part has the ceramic filters in it.
So you fill the water up here, and gravity does the rest, and it drips down.
Pardon me.
Yep.
I don't want to damage it.
No, we've already beat the bejesus out of it.
So anything else you do is just going to add character here.
So then it drains down here.
And then the copper element itself has a natural antibacterial quality to it.
Lots of properties, lots of properties to copper.
Can you talk about that?
Certainly, I'd love to.
You know, when I first started working with copper, I didn't know that much about the material other than I had this draw to it.
And one of the first times I was showing it somewhere, there was an Indian man that came up to me and I was carrying this kind of old basically like a pitcher.
And he says, oh, this is just like my grandmother had in our house in India.
And I was like, oh, really?
What for?
He says, oh, we store water in there because then it just, you know, you leave it overnight and it tastes very good and cool and fresh and it's good for your health and all of your joints.
And I was like, oh, interesting.
And I didn't think anything else about it for 10 more years.
Because at the time, I was making a lot of stuff for the food service industry, Schaefer's and things like that.
Previous incarnation of our business.
And then I just started hearing kind of about the Ayurveda and these ancient traditions of using copper where people would store their water in copper.
And it was, according to their kind of ancient medical wisdom, it was great for all kinds of things in your body, whether it was to balance your energies or scrape for your skin and your hair, all of your joints, similar to wearing a copper bracelet for arthritis or you're having problems with a joint.
Copper is integral in all this, one in the soft tissue, and then also in our body's immune system.
It's integral into that.
And on that same principle, which really it was only, I think, in the 50s that they rediscovered what they call the oligodynamic effect.
I say rediscover because they always knew that, oh, this copper is clean.
It's going to kill anything that's in there.
And one of the reasons I think that copper was used as a water vessel, especially somewhere like India, where you're dumping dead bodies in one side of the river and you're pulling your water out of the other side of the river, it basically kills all of these viruses and bacterias.
And it's just, you know, they're starting to use it a lot in hospitals.
Absolutely.
Right.
Copper surfaces and doorknobs and so on.
Sure.
This is a naturally antibacterial.
It kills all these things that are going around in a hospital that you go in and you come out worse than you were before.
But with copper as a touch surface, it does that.
You know, there's something else really interesting.
Let me add to this.
So as part of my research into natural health and longevity, I've come across various peptides, a peptide therapy.
And I use one of them.
It's called BPC 157 for healing from old sports injuries, and it works great.
But I notice in that that one of the peptides that women especially use for cosmetic improvement is a copper peptide.
And so it's actually, they are, you know, copper atoms that are bound to a certain protein configuration.
And women use that both internally and externally on their skin for a youthful appearance.
So copper is like regaining this amazing reputation for youthful appearance.
It's working very well on you.
Well, no, I'm not using that.
I use my smoothies.
I'm into turmeric and nutrition and everything.
Definitely.
But copper peptides are very functional in so many ways as well.
I mean, there's so many things.
There's also, I interviewed a man during COVID that was talking about a copper, what was it, a copper nasal spray that he said would protect you from the pandemic or the viruses or whatever was going around.
I don't have all the details on that in my mind right now, but I remember that copper was the solution in that interview.
I just mentioned that.
I'm not trying to make health claims on your products, by the way.
I'm just saying that copper has so many properties that I think humanity has only just begun to really discover them all.
Right.
Or rediscover.
Yes.
Yeah, in some sense.
I think one of the first times they figured out, modern science figured out, was with a bunch of soldiers were dying of some kind of infection in French Legionnaire North Africa, and it was water that was going through a system.
They changed the coils out to copper, and it just stopped all that because these bacteria were growing on these things.
Yeah.
And yeah, there's, you know, I receive a lot of, you know, people share a lot of knowledge with me about copper and how it works.
And, you know, I don't want to say, oh, this is going to make you live forever.
No.
But my personal experience is just that when I changed over to drinking all of my water out of copper, I noticed a change that year is that I just didn't get the common colds that were coming through and hitting me in my household two or three times a year.
I just, you know, my health just improved.
And there's something about this, whether it's, you know, and I believe very much that the copper definitely has an impact on the health.
And in addition to that, anything I think that we're, you know, you're using this as a daily ritual that's focusing on, you know, on your health.
And this is, I'm doing this because it's good for me.
Yes.
And it just is like drinking that intention.
Well, there are at least three layers of this that I can think of.
So number one is just, let's say, the materialist physics point of view.
So water goes into the vessel, especially if it's rainwater or a little bit lower pH.
It's going to ionize a certain number of copper ions that will go into the water.
And we actually have a lab.
We could measure the copper concentration of the water because we have ICPMS instruments.
We test for heavy metals and things like that, but we also test for copper.
So that'd be an interesting experiment just to show.
Anyway, that's one level.
So there's a certain amount of physical copper ions in the water.
Then secondly, there's an energetic level.
And it depends on our audience and how much they've investigated homeopathy or energy medicine or energy healing.
But there's something really special about the precious metals, copper, silver, and gold.
I wouldn't want to drink silver because it's a heavier metal.
Right.
And gold doesn't ionize very easily, as you know.
Copper is perfect.
It's right there in that sweet spot.
And then the third thing is the geometry of the vessel.
I believe that also imparts something energetically to the water.
There's something called structured water, right?
There's, I've heard all kinds of terms over the years, but water that flows through a stream.
Right.
You know, it encounters shapes of stones and rocks and spheres and circles.
There's something in nature about sacred geometry that many people believe is imparted onto water, that water has a memory.
The work of Dr. Emoto out of Japan looking at snowflake crystals under a microscope combined with certain types of intention, showing that the water forms structures based on your intent.
You're speaking my language.
Yeah.
Definitely.
It's cool stuff.
Oh, it's amazing.
It's amazing.
Yeah, the properties of water.
We worked with a man that he has these structured water systems that just, you know, that's like it passes through a vessel that just, just like what you're talking about, where the way that it flows through there just kind of re-aligns or pulls out some of the, maybe not pulls out, but realigns the water as it's been going through all these different systems.
Right.
Is there a vortex in that?
There is, yeah.
It's a vortex.
It's a kind of a series of glass marbles that are arranged in there.
And then also the way that it funnels, it naturally gets the water to spin as it goes.
Because water wants to move, too.
Right.
Water wants to move.
Yeah.
Have you ever heard of Veda Austin?
Yeah.
Her freezings are amazing.
Well, I've actually replicated her experiments using freezing xylitol crystals.
Uh-huh.
Right here.
I had our microscope set up and we were replicating that here.
Yeah.
But using xylitol, not water.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm very familiar with that.
And Dr. Emoto.
I've thought about doing it with my, yeah, with the copper that comes out of here or the copper water that comes out.
It'd be interesting.
It'd be interesting.
Would be interesting.
Yeah.
Indeed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or we could mix copper with a liquid xylitol that's melted and see how that impacts the reformation of the physical structures.
Because I don't know if you've ever seen it, but I did things here under the microscope where we could watch xylitol render 3D structures in real time as it's freezing at room temperature.
And it would render structures that were absolutely extraordinary.
Some of them look like artwork.
It would sketch out objects in some cases.
I'm only familiar with xylitol and the chewing gum that I just had.
It's the same xylitol.
You can melt it.
And I found that like filming water freezing requires a very cold room.
So I realize you can use xylitol and do it at room temperature.
Okay.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And it has the same effect.
Right.
Right.
So, yeah, we should put some copper in it.
That'd be fun.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, to also speak the shape and the form of this vessel.
And copper, you know, the tradition that I come out of in Mexico, where they've been working with copper for a thousand years, it originally started off as production of these little copper bells.
I was wanting to ask you what the copper bell is all about.
You know, I have this life project that's called the Copper Bell Diaspora, and I just hand them out wherever I go.
And they're just, they, you know, people similar to wanting to touch the copper, just the sound.
And, you know, whether it's like, you know, Angel Gets Its Wings or the Bell and the Motorcycles, you know, all different applications.
And originally there in Mexico, these bells were used for kind of their spiritual practices.
There's a sound that passed between the veils between the different reality, whether it's like the Day of the Dead is a really big celebration there in the region where I work.
Well, what's really interesting to me, because my background's also in music and sound engineering, but metals have a multi-harmonic resonance, right?
So this sound actually exists at many different harmonies simultaneously.
And the nature of that sound depends on the structure of the metal, the composition of the metal.
Certainly.
So you're actually hearing physics through a bell.
Like a bell translates matter into sound.
Right.
And that's something, that's a transformation that I think is symbolic of the transcendence into the spiritual world from physical to spiritual, from physical to sound, from matter to vibration.
I mean, it makes sense that it's used in spiritual practices.
Right.
I guess, you know, quantum physics, you know, we're all just kind of waves.
You know, you either pinpoint where we are or how we're moving.
And yeah, and every each one of these bells, they all have their own unique tone.
There's a whole science to bell making that's just all depends on the material, the shape of it.
Oh, yeah.
You know, if you probably open that other one over there, it has a totally different tone to it.
And the thickness, everything.
The curve, it's a really interesting curve of how it opens at the bottom.
And I'm sure that's very important for the sound.
Sure.
Oh, definitely.
Yeah.
Well, it's so interesting to talk to you about all of this, and I really appreciate the fact that you went through the learning of the craft of how to work with copper so that when you now oversee the artisans there or you're visiting the factory, let's say, and you want a certain piece made a certain way, you know what you're talking about.
Right.
And you know what it takes to make it.
Yeah.
That's one of the things that I feel like we miss so much in our modern education is this, like, really grounded knowledge and things.
And, you know, similar to what's happened to our American production is just a lot of that knowledge has been sent to other places.
And, you know, regaining that foundation of knowledge, something that, you know, my son, he's a sophomore in high school, and I'm just, you know, like, pay attention in class, but, you know, really pay attention to the things that you're, you know, that you're getting experience from.
And I have him, he runs our engraving.
We do customization.
He's figuring out how to use the material.
Oh, okay.
When he was younger, he'd come down to the shop with me and hammer things out and just, you know, giving him, you know, passing it on.
And this, you know, this business is very much a family business.
In Mexico, I studied under a maestro, Don Maximo, probably one of the greatest living.
Don Maximo.
Don Maximo.
That's actually his name.
Matt.
Oh, Yesimo.
What a great name.
Oh, it's a great name.
And he's an amazing man.
And like any great maestro, he makes the work look so easy.
Right.
So easy.
Until you try it yourself.
Oh, yeah.
Like what?
Oh, yeah.
And I remember when I just, when I had to learn how to swing a hammer, you know, I hammered nails and everything, but it was just like, oh, to really hit a hammer and get it to do what I want it to do is just, you know, it was a whole, and sure, I could have read about it, and I did.
I read about it, and people explained it to me, but it wasn't until I actually took it up and did it and messed things up.
And then just, there's like we were talking a little bit about, you know, this, like kind of how this reminds you of maybe mine or Aztec and the crafts in Mexico.
Yeah.
There's an amazing manual intelligence.
Yes.
And in my experience, I see that, you know, our minds are, you know, they're great tools, but there's a whole other way that we learn things.
It's just kind of by doing them this tactile experience.
And it's like the minds have the hands have a mind of their own and a way of like learning.
And also when I sit down and work on something where I'm hammering something out, it's just, you know, all of a sudden I'm just, oh, I'm in a different place and everything's just kind of happening.
There's something in the Mexican, Central, and South American culture about craftsmanship that is just extraordinary.
When I lived in South America, I got to watch a bricklayer craftsman actually build a circular brick dome from the ground up all the way to the top keystone pieces in real time.
And the way they operate with the mortar and the bricks and the placement and the timing and the structure so it doesn't cave in on you.
Like if I try to build a dome out of bricks, I'm getting bricks on my head, probably.
But this guy nailed it.
And it was just, you could tell this is like 20 years of expertise.
Oh, sure.
You know?
Yeah.
And it's amazing to watch.
And we forget about that because we want everything automated and machine and exactly the same.
That's a boring world, actually.
Right.
Very, very.
It's like, I don't want it the same.
Yeah.
I want to see the human side of things.
And there's, yeah, very much the human element.
Things are, you know, there's like when something's made, it's almost like it's not an imperfection.
It's just a uniqueness that goes into a piece.
It gives it a lot of character.
And, you know, granted, we have tolerances that we need to meet when we're making things.
Of course.
And, you know, we're not trying to make the most perfect thing possible.
We just, we want it to, you know, we want it, we want to make the best thing that we can do.
And, you know, we imbue all of this with just kind of our spirit of work.
And in those experiences, it also has opened my eyes to just looking at things and appreciating more around me and the human element that's in everything.
And every time a person purchases a product like this, it infuses economic incentive into the human craft.
It feeds families, it employs people, it keeps the art alive.
Let me mention the website again, folks, if you want to get some of this for yourself.
HealthRangerStore.com/slash copper.
And there's the entire product line from Sertodo and right here.
Look, a mixing bowl.
That's what I want to eat my organic grapes out of a copper mixing bowl.
Okay?
That's for sure.
And I want grapes with seeds in them because I hate seedless grapes because all the nutrition is in the seeds.
Oh, okay.
So, and the skin, I should say.
But I want to get copper platters and plates.
In fact, I'm going to be a big customer of yours, and I'm going to actually just restock my kitchen with copper.
I sure appreciate it.
We love it.
Yeah.
And very much, it's this relationship with our customers.
And everything that we make has come about from dialogue like this with people.
Oh, how about something like, what about copper?
Actually, it started off with copper cups for drinking water.
And I was like, oh, yeah, I'd like to use those myself.
Yeah, we'll make some of those.
And then progress to, what about a water container?
I'd like to store my water in some copper.
Why is that?
Well, it does this.
And I'm like, and that's where all of our, it's a whole relationship that we have with our customers, with really our patrons as much as anything.
Absolutely.
And let me add this as a nutritionist to our audience.
I have often told people that it's better to get copper from natural sources than from multivitamins.
And so I've even previously warned people, like, if you can find a multivitamin without copper in it, and you get copper from natural sources, which includes some types of seafood and meats and things like that, then that's your best bet.
With what you offer, this is a great way to get copper that's ionized, which means it's absorbable.
And then I wouldn't get it in supplements.
I wouldn't get it in what I mean, multivitamins, because I think they put too much of the multivitamin actually.
I put like four milligrams in there.
And if you're taking the multivitamin and you're getting other copper, that's actually more than you need.
The thing about copper is it's so potent and powerful.
It's a trace mineral.
Right.
You don't need to consume copper like calcium or magnesium.
Right.
It's so, it's, it has a multiplier effect, which I think proves its energetic qualities.
A little bit goes a long way.
Definitely.
Definitely.
It is very, yeah, it is a very powerful material.
You know, one of the things that we also would get is, you know, people worried about, oh, am I getting too much copper?
And our bodies just naturally process and balance and balance the amount of copper that you have in there.
Unless you have, I think it's called Wilson's disease, where a body doesn't process copper.
And then even copper coming through your water pipes can be dangerous.
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about overdosing on copper from dishware, water pitchers, and water filters.
Only if I were supplementing it would it be an issue?
Because then your body has a harder time dealing with it.
You're kind of forcing it down your throat in large quantities.
I mean, four milligrams is a lot compared to what you're getting in here is like parts per million copper.
We're talking orders of magnitude difference in the copper amount that you're getting.
Orders of magnitude different, but I just personally noticed a change in my life when I started drinking all of my things out of copper.
Not only that, I noticed also attention to just the water quality, as you mentioned about what's your water source.
And we've had a couple times here where the municipal water system failed, and they're like, oh, there's boiled water notices, or my water smelled like fish.
And then they say, oh, boil your water.
I don't want to have boiled fish water.
That doesn't sound good.
No, no, I think it's the zebra mussels that were going into the upper lakes that were in the intakes for a while.
But then, you know, one thing that helps address that, along with heavy metals and any kind of contaminants that are in the water, are these water filters, the filters that go in there, the gravity filters.
Ceramic elements.
It's a ceramic, it's a diatomaceous earth ceramic shell.
It has a silver impregnation in there that just helps from biofouling if it sits around for a while, which you're not really going to get with the copper.
And then the functional element is carbon, carbon filter inside there that removes most all of these forever chemicals.
It definitely removes all the chlorines out of your water.
So it'll take heavy metals.
Yeah, and heavy metals, phosphates.
I have a client up in Iowa that used this, and they sent me a picture of their water filters after three months.
And they look like the inside of old cigarette butts.
From some other filter.
This is just from filtering out the water.
Oh, wow.
Just the contaminants that were in their water.
And I think it's coming up quite a bit right now about the quality.
Iowa has the highest cancer rate and some of the worst quality water from a lot of their agricultural business, which they've had a lot of trouble even speaking about in Iowa because the industrial agriculture is such a problem in that state.
The Iowa legislature is totally owned by Monsanto or Bayer now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've talked about that before too.
But something else interesting.
Even in Texas, did you know that the data centers that are planned by the year 2030, they'll be using 400 billion gallons of groundwater.
And what that means is that the water quality that will be available to people will go down because they'll be using lower and lower grade water sources to make up for the difference in water.
And that means our water quality is going to get worse in Texas.
Now, I collect rainwater.
I drink rainwater exclusively.
We collect rainwater because we make colloidal silver by the way, using silver plates from Mexico, it turns out.
Oh, right.
But we make our own colloidal silver here using ionization of silver off the silver plates, positive silver ions.
And then we use that to make numerous products that we have that all have these amazing properties.
But I mean, rainwater is the cleanest water, but very few people actually have rainwater.
They've got city water, which is usually groundwater or sometimes recycled surface water.
And all that can be problematic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The filters, I feel like having a filter is a good thing to have in any, Yeah, any most any water situation.
And it can be for on-grid or off-grid.
It's just going to really improve the quality of the water that you're getting.
I think even with the standards that they have and the kind of things they put in, they put in the water.
It's not necessarily things that I would want to drink.
Their levels are, they're more like, oh, well, this isn't going to kill you quickly.
Yeah, quickly, yeah.
But combined with the 300 other chemicals that we also put in there, who knows?
And let me just describe this too.
Now, not trying to get you in any trade name trouble.
We've been a supporter of the Berkey Company for many years.
And I would describe this in a general sense as kind of like a big Berkey type of configuration, but made of copper by artisans.
Is that kind of a fairly important thing?
Sure.
I think the gravity water systems, really, a lot of it's, you know, they've been around forever.
In Mexico, I've seen where they have these basically like limestone, yeah, or clay or like a limestone, and it's just got this same shape, and they pour the water on the top, and then it just filters through the stone.
And I've seen a couple filters like that.
You know, they were definitely, you know, pre-Columbian style filters.
And over in the United Kingdom, there's a company, we used to work with them on their filters, Birkfeld.
Sure, I've heard of that.
Yeah, Birkfeld.
And they make also some nice water filters.
And their gravity water systems, they started making over 100 years ago.
And yeah, just this idea that you're going to filter your water through something.
So just for, I guess, name recognition, it's something people might be familiar with.
This is like a Berkey system.
It's just a gravity water purification system.
Got two tanks.
When we make things, we like things to be functional and beautiful.
And so I was like, well, let's put a nice little waste on it.
So it looks, you know, and it just, it helps with the flow of the water.
Yeah, it's something I want to set up.
It's really beautiful.
Yeah, absolutely.
This is, again, something you'd want to have out, even if you're not using it.
Yeah.
It's like it just looks gorgeous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it has to do also with the tooling, you know, how that influences the shape.
Most of this stuff we spin out on a spinning lathe.
And so we're spinning it over a mold that shapes the metal onto the form.
I would love to see that.
Oh, it's a video of that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can send you some of that.
It's a fun process.
Now, let me ask you about the history of art in Mesoamerica and the use of especially copper, silver, and gold over time, spanning really, I mean, thousands of years, how this goes back.
Of the places I've toured, I've toured like ancient civilization sites throughout Central and South America before and some in Mexico.
And I've always been struck by the incredible detail of the metals.
And I also wonder how much of this artwork has been lost to pillaging because somebody wanted the gold out of the artwork, so they stripped it out.
But talk to us about the history of craftsmanship and the appreciation of metals in the art spanning back really thousands of years.
Right.
Yeah.
You mentioned you'd been in South America.
Where in South America was that?
Well, for example, I lived in Ecuador for some time.
Oh, really?
I toured in Peru and other places and in Central America, like Panama and so on.
Yeah, yeah.
I lived down there for a little while myself.
Did you?
Yeah, Ecuador is amazing.
And actually the origins of this metalwork, the metallurgy in South America was really highly developed, even more so than in Mesoamerica.
When I was Latin American studies at the University of Texas.
Really?
Yeah.
Just by chance, one of the few people ended up working in their field.
When I was in school there, the dominant theory, actually, there was no communication between South America and North America.
People migrated down from the Bering Strait or whatever and went down to South America and forgot everything else from where they came from.
And these two places are just two separate worlds.
And when I came across this copperwork, I was really interested in the history and the history of it.
According to their legend, this copperwork just appeared out of nowhere, associated with what was called the Quetzalcoatl.
It was the feathered serpent.
He was like a harbinger of peace and culture and brought this technology there to this area in western Mexico.
And in their codices in the Anthropology Museum in Mexico City, which I think is one of the most amazing museums in the world.
Oh, I'd love to see that.
I love seeing museums in other cultures.
This museum is spectacular about all the different cultures in Mexico.
But these people, their codices, their origin is that they arrived through these portals on the backs of turtles, went to the coast of western Mexico.
Maybe they were referring to the Galapagos or something.
I'm not sure.
But as it turns out, I found this, I went to the Benson Library, which is the world's greatest collection on Latin American literature and documents.
It's an incredible facility.
And I could find one PhD paper from the 70s.
It was stuffed in the back of a corner somewhere about this copper work.
And this guy said, well, I think that what's going on here is that there was actually trade going on from these South American civilizations with this region in Mexico.
And they were traveling up and down the coast looking for spongless shells, which were what was being used in trade and money.
And then they kind of established in settlements and brought this technology for making these copper bells, this casting, which is this technique was like a copycat of stuff that was going on down in South America.
And when I started this, I had read this book that really kind of just opened my mind to the fact that there's so many holes in history and there's lots of ways to fill them.
It was a book called Fingerprints of the Gods.
Oh, of course.
Graham Hancock.
And all of his talking about all of his metallurgy and those things there.
And when I started doing this, I was like, oh, I found a fingerprint of the gods at this place in western Mexico.
You know, I've interviewed Randall Carlson.
Okay.
And ancient civilizations.
Okay.
And a lot of theories about the loss of ancient civilizations and how all that has happened and how many of the ancient ruin sites are covered up to make sure that we don't discover the hidden knowledge.
Right.
You know?
I mean, that's a very real thing.
Yeah.
And then we find these ancient artifacts that look like motors and gears and batteries and things, and then they just write it off, bury that in the basement of the Smithsonian.
Sure.
Don't want to put that out for people to see.
It doesn't fit with our modern worldview of, you know, this is the pinnacle of how anything has developed.
Right.
You know, there's so many civilizations have come and gone, and each with their own apex.
That's right.
And there are currents, I feel like, that, you know, that continue through different things.
And I feel fortunate that I've kind of landed on something that goes back through a large part of history, which is this copper work.
Oh, yeah.
And just being part of that story.
The table of elements has never changed throughout history.
That's what's beautiful about it.
And copper is copper is copper.
I jokingly explain to my audience the reason gold has its own square on the table of elements is because gold isn't any other element.
Like it's only gold, and it can't change without fusion or fission into something else.
Right.
So copper is copper, gold is gold.
And I think many ancient civilizations had much higher knowledge than we do today about elements and the interaction in the spiritual and physical realms, the synergistic qualities of these things.
And I even think about to think back to ancient cultures and ancient languages like the language of Quechua, right?
Which the language itself is predisposed to describing a world, a spiritual world that's larger than our material world in Western civilization today.
Right.
The language is like expressively open to bigger ideas.
Yeah, I have heard language described as like it's the architecture that sets up our interpretation of the world.
And in some sense, they had a completely different world vision that allowed them to see things in different ways.
And like Egypt, the Ankh symbol for life is also the symbol for copper.
It's this, you know, this interchangeable.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
So it just, you know, all these different ways of looking at the world through so many different lenses.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And anything that helps expand our vision and open us up beyond the rut that we might find ourselves in, I think, is worth exploring.
It's very interesting.
I talk about the juxtaposition of the artificial world with the real physical world.
And at the same time, as much as I appreciate all of this, I'm also like my company has built an AI engine.
And the AI engine is free.
It's Brighteon.ai.
And it's designed to impart human knowledge on things like natural medicine and nutrition and self-reliance and so on.
But as part of the acquisition of materials for training the AI engine, I've collected a massive repository of scientific papers in non-English languages, including Chinese and a lot of them in Spanish.
And I'm currently working through that to try to discern what's useful.
But almost every book that's been written in Spanish and almost every science paper in Spanish has been digitized.
And it's more than just me.
There are other people and other entities that already have copies of all that knowledge.
So it's not going to vanish.
It just has to be sort of mined like copper.
It's got to be mined for the gems of knowledge that were even known just a few decades ago, but have been forgotten by our modern times.
Yeah.
How do we pass knowledge?
Yeah.
How do we pass knowledge on, share knowledge?
Knowledge can be lost if you're not careful to preserve it.
Yeah.
It has been lost.
The burning of the Library of Alexandria, etc.
Right.
Look, I mean, the Roman Empire.
Yeah, burning as a codices in Mexico.
Yeah, exactly.
How many times throughout history did the emperor say, let's burn down all the knowledge?
Because we want to impart our knowledge onto that slave civilization.
We're going to make them slaves.
Still we persist.
It's a, I don't know how we got down this rabbit hole, but I'm really glad we're having this discussion because this is really important about how is human civilization sustainable if we keep making the same mistakes of history and not even realizing that those were already made.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't have an answer, but I enjoy that I have something to focus on.
Totally.
And just I feel like as much as anything that carries us through, you know, whatever it is that we may believe that's almost like gravity and it'll pull us into, you know, AI is going to be a real interesting transformation.
And I talked to my son quite a bit about it.
You know, what is it, you know, what can you do that, you know, AI is not going to come and take your job.
And where AI is taking this like bottom layer of work, well, that's where most everybody got all of their, you know, busted their chops to be able to develop up on top of there.
And, you know, there's a way that it can definitely, you know, serve us and augment our experience.
It's a great research tool.
Yeah.
It can find things.
Like as an example, I funneled millions of documents of nutrition and health into our AI engine.
And then I was using it for research one day to find out how do you block in your neurology, how do you block receptor sites for monosodium glutamate, MSG, because I'm sensitive to MSG.
And it was giving me a list of things I already knew, and then it popped out.
It said methylene blue.
Like, what?
I never knew that.
And it says, yeah, methylene blue blocks glutamate receptors.
And that's crazy because that's a dye.
It's been used as a textile dye.
Yeah, I tried it one time.
My teeth turned really blue.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so I went out, I decided to test it.
I went out to a Chinese food restaurant that often uses MSG.
And I said, I'm going to be the experiment.
So I took the methylene blue.
I ate the Chinese food, ready for the big headache and everything.
Yeah.
No headache.
It worked.
So the AI engine told me something that I would never have discovered.
Right.
And the same thing can happen with even the Spanish PhD papers that have been published before.
There must be hidden gems of knowledge, even about metallurgy, about copper, about gold, that are long since forgotten but can be re-emerge through AI.
Sure.
So it has a use.
Yeah.
Oh, definitely.
Yeah.
Giving us more access to knowledge.
My son's been working on a car that I gave him, just turned 16.
Got wrecked, and a friend of mine gave it to me.
Oh.
Here, have a wrecked car?
Yeah, here, I have a wrecked car.
Oh, okay.
So he's got to work on it.
And I'm like, yeah, you've got to take off the bumper to get to the radiator.
And they're like, well, how do I do that?
And I was like, you know, this is why we go to.
So he's on there with YouTube and just pulling all that up.
And I'm just, I'm amazed at what he can, you know, the access that he has to just to like get things at his fingertips.
But then using his fingertips to actually put that into play and practice and the actual tactile world.
I mean, because computers are great.
I love my computer, but I bang on that.
And at the end of the day it looks the same.
Well, yeah, and what people need to remember is that you live in the real world.
You have a physical body.
And that physical body needs water.
Definitely.
The water needs a vessel.
Otherwise, it's all over the place.
This is why nutrition matters.
This is why copper matters.
This is why what you do really matters because we still live in a 3D world.
As much as people want to escape into a virtual world or a deep fake world or artificial girlfriends or whatever they do these days with the chat bots that now are creating like relationships with people.
It's just weird.
Interesting.
Yeah.
That's like no thank you.
Pull yourself out of that world, come back in the real world, have good nutrition, which is what I teach, good food, surround yourself with things that are beautiful and things that are functional.
Your life will improve.
I mean, it's a simple rule of thumb that we never had to remind previous generations of this because they didn't live in the virtual world.
Now we do.
We have to remind people, come back.
Come back to reality.
Touch a piece of copper.
Sure.
You know, like feel the texture of this.
Drink the water.
Share it with your friends.
Absolutely.
These make great gifts, I would think.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Everybody loves shiny things.
Do you, how's your supply chain?
Like, do you have enough to handle the surge in orders if, like, you know, Christmas time or whatever?
Yes.
We, well, currently I'm working on the, you know, we've had our last production run held up just as we're trying to figure out the new kind of bureaucratic paperwork situation for the to for dealing with the tariffs.
And the instruction on it is kind of murky.
I would imagine.
Yeah.
And so we're about ready to get our last run up through and we always build up for the holidays.
But that said, we also, you know, there's a lot of hamwork that goes into this.
And we don't just turn the machine on and all of a sudden it's cranking out a million widgets.
Right.
But yeah, we deal with surges.
We're always, you know, currently we're reworking some tooling in our workshop.
But are you going to have to raise your prices because of the tariffs?
Inevitably, yes.
Yeah.
I mean, it's how much we have to raise our prices depends on how murky the rules are and what we can, you know, how much we're being tariffed.
Right.
You know, there's a pending Supreme Court decision on the legality of the Emergency Economic Act that Trump invoked for that tariff.
I've seen that.
And if the decision comes back knocking down those tariffs, everybody will have to be issued a refund on the tariffs they paid.
Can you imagine waiting for your government tariff refund check?
No.
It's in the mail.
I can't.
I can't imagine.
Yeah.
And during COVID, we didn't apply for any of the government funding things just because I just don't want to deal with all the paperwork.
No kidding.
And we were fortunate that during COVID, business was really good for us.
All of a sudden, people couldn't go to a bar, so they were ordering all of our barware.
Oh, that's interesting.
It just, you know, our business did really.
And I was making this transition from doing a lot of wholesale to directly to our website.
I just want to have more interaction with my end user.
And that really just kind of flipped the switch for us.
And yeah, it was a really interesting time for us.
Business was really good.
And then we also had a couple of, this is where I was, our website, our web host wanted to shut us down because we were saying that copper is antibacterial and antifungal.
So we need certification about that.
What?
And so I sent them all these articles from the Smithsonian, and they're like, well, we need a certification for every product that you have.
Oh, my goodness.
And I was just like, bureaucracy.
That's, yeah, not my battle.
So, but nevertheless, you know.
I mean, it's a natural property of the element.
It's a natural property element.
It's like saying, yeah, gold is shiny.
Right.
I'll prove it.
Right.
We need it certified.
Yeah, we have to have a stamp.
Yeah.
It needs to be a stamp that says gold is shiny.
Yeah.
And we didn't want to pay for that stamp.
It's insane.
Yeah.
And we have dealt with lots of different hurdles throughout the 30 years that I've been doing this.
And actually with the previous administration and with what was happening with the onshoring of work, Mexico became very strong economically and the value of the peso just went way up.
And that was essentially like all of a sudden our goods were costing 25% more just because of this exchange rate.
Right.
And the dollar is falling this year compared to that.
And the dollar is falling.
Yeah.
And those things are all over the place.
And we just continue to do what we do and deal with whatever the circumstances are that come our way.
And with the tariff being at 50%, it's going to affect our prices.
I won't know until I get this next shipment through the border how exactly we're going to be tariffed on that.
And so then after that, and then what happens with the legal situation.
So currently we don't have our prices haven't gone up in about a year and a half.
And we'll see after we get this stuff through.
I think your prices are very reasonable where what I'm seeing right now on the website, and folks should realize, look, just go to healthrangerstore.com slash copper, and you'll see the prices.
Here's a whole set for $128.
That's the Moscow Mule Gift Set.
Moscow Mule, if you like the strong medicine.
Yeah, there we go.
Now, and I think our audience realizes these are handcrafted.
It's pure copper, 99% pure.
You said a little bit of zinc in it on purpose.
Right.
But these aren't churned out by robots mindlessly.
But that brings me to another question.
And we're getting close to the end of the interview, by the way.
And thank you for your time.
I don't mean to keep you over.
If you need to go, let me know.
You're doing okay.
I'm enjoying myself thoroughly.
Okay, me too.
I'm really enjoying having you here.
This is great to be able to talk about all this.
But the Trump administration would say that the reason they're putting the tariffs on copper is to encourage American companies to do more copper mining and more copper goods like this.
I'm not aware of any American heritage of this kind of work.
I mean, North America.
Sure.
You know, it's a great thing.
I actually am working with a man who started a copper cookware company.
Actually, he took over a company that was, I think they were called Waldo, and they produced in Brooklyn, New York at the turn of the century.
He revived them with their old tooling about 15 years ago, and then has since been kind of moving his production around to different places.
And everybody that's doing that work is either dying or retiring.
And so we have taken over the production of his work just because there's not, you know, that knowledge isn't here anymore about doing this kind of work.
Not specifically for like our kind of copper cookware.
I see the point in the tariffs is that we want to bring some of this industry back into the United States.
I think maybe the world is interdependent and having our maybe North American area where we're with our neighbors and working that we can complement the strengths.
I couldn't make this stuff here in the United States with the skill that we have, just finding somebody that's going to spend two years learning how to do all this kind of work and then be there to work for us for the next 20 years.
Because this is a family trade, technically.
It's part of the culture.
It's part of the local town.
Yeah, the generations of people working in this.
But there are copper sheet manufacturers.
I think there's some kind of industrial copper applications.
We can get into the economics, but quite honestly, our costs and just the cost of life and living here in the United States, it's difficult to make a living hammering out copper pieces without them being $200 for a cup.
And regarding the price of our goods, I feel like very much from the work that we put into it, it's a fair price.
And this is something that is going to be here 20 and 30 years from now.
Yes.
So just amortize that over 20 years.
And the economics of the situation are complicated, but our audience understands this.
If you think about it, it's U.S. government currency printing that creates these inflationary pressures among the domestic population that raise costs of living, that make it very difficult for anybody to take on a trade like this that's not going to pay the salary of a computer science expert or something.
So inflation actually pushes jobs out of America to other countries.
But then there's the craftsman side of this.
And right here, you see this holster?
I do.
This leather, this is a company that we've also interviewed, 1791 Gun Leather.
All their leather work is done in Mexico.
And it's outstanding.
It's the best holster I've ever owned.
And I've worn it for three years now without it breaking, which has never happened before because I wear it on my ranch.
And I found that the Mexican culture of leather work, which also does exist in America, in Arizona, and Texas and New Mexico, et cetera, but especially in Mexico, the leather work craftsmanship is just vastly superior.
Oh, yeah.
You know?
And I think the same thing is true with copper in this format.
Yeah, we have highly skilled craftsmen in the United States.
And one of the things is that they're just in such small little pockets.
And there's not like a tradition that, you know, there was, you know, tradition.
I was just out in Oregon at the Timberline Lodge out there.
It was built.
It was a WPA project.
And they brought in all of these metalsmiths, wood, wood craftsmen.
And the place is amazing.
Like the work in there, like talking about the stonework and the stonework in there and the steel work and the woodwork.
It's just, it's like, wow, somebody is like valuing this work.
And they had, you know, a whole, you know, it was like two generations of people working on this place.
Wow.
And we just don't see that kind of patronage, I guess, anymore.
And in Mexico, you know, another interesting thing about this region where I work out of is that 500 years ago, this area was organized as like a utopian society.
Thomas More's Utopia was written in like 1510 in Britain, Thomas More.
He was a Catholic, and then the Catholic Church decided they were going to put those theories into practice in this region in Mexico, which is that you have a kind of a central community, and then you have all these satellite communities that contribute to the general economy.
And this community is going to be, they're going to make pottery.
This community is going to do woodwork.
This community is going to do copper work.
And that social architecture put into place 500 years ago continues today and continues that region is like, you know, it has a lot of economic independence and just kind of general wealth.
Now there's still a lot of other pressures happening there.
But these traditions are still very much alive.
And it's like a community thing that's passed down.
See, that's so critical because in Western civilization, we value economies based on GDP.
Gross domestic product.
But gross domestic product has no numbers for cultural knowledge or heritage or resilience or happiness.
And these things are part of the human condition.
And yet they have no value on the spreadsheet.
And so we're living in an artificial set of priorities that were created by the accountants and the governments to say, oh, look, our economy is great.
Yeah, but your people are miserable.
Right.
So much is missing out of that economic equation.
Right.
Your families are not whole.
Your communities are being torn apart.
The local hardware shop that used to be run by Bob has been replaced by a Home Depot or whatever.
That's never taken into account in the wealth of a nation.
But the wealth is more than numbers on a spreadsheet.
Yeah.
And I know you get that.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why our money is devaluing so fast.
There's no, the things that are real value are kind of missing out of that.
That's right.
So I would just remind our audience: if you want real, surround yourself with real things, with real wealth.
To me, this is an example of wealth.
And, you know, the other, the picture, et cetera.
These are real things.
They're beautiful.
As you can tell, there's a whole history behind all of these, the craftsmanship, the artisanship, and also the table of elements, the properties of copper that have to be proven piece by piece.
You need a stamp for each piece.
But all of this is fascinating.
We have a stamp on everybody.
Yeah, you have a stamp on every piece?
That every piece has to be certified.
Oh, yeah.
Not like that.
I think, yeah, you can see our touch mark on the bottom there.
Oh, that's to know it came out of your, that's a long tradition in metallurgy is that every shop has their quinto or their stamp.
You know, so like I said, in 50 years when the antique virtual roadshow comes through, they're going to turn their oculus on there and see, oh, serototo copper, great stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I just.
Want to wrap this up by saying I'm really grateful to have met you and to be exposed to what you're bringing to people in America and elsewhere.
And I love the fact that you also studied the history of Latin America as your academic endeavor.
That's really useful.
And I love the fact that you're a hands-on guy who's learned the basics of how to do this, if not more than the basics.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's been a pleasure.
I really appreciate you bringing me in here and just sharing the knowledge and this discussion here and just talking with people and our neighbors.
Yeah.
There's a lot of value in that that I really appreciate.
I appreciate you reaching out to us.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that part of, I mean, not to make this political, but part of the healing of our world has to be that we have to talk to each other and we have to understand and honor other cultures and other traditions.
And we have to present value to things that are not valued in the GDP.
And that's culture.
And that's joy.
That's happiness.
That's the feeling of a job well done.
Right.
And valuing humanity, not just machines and robots and factories.
If we can't do these things, then how is humanity going to have a future?
Right.
You know, really.
It all comes.
I mean, we can start with copper, but we get to the big picture, which is the survival of human civilization.
And that's really what this discussion is all about.
Uh-huh.
I think we'll make it through.
I have great hope.
Well, good.
I share that hope with you here today, but sometimes I'm worried about the robots.
Sure.
What they might do to us.
For sure.
Well, discussions like this, you know, they just add to the, they add to the hope.
Well, I also have copper bullets that we can use against the robots.
Yes.
Yes.
Like the 300 Windmag rifle rounds.
They're cop.
I've got some copper rifles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The copper is great for all kinds of things.
Yeah.
I would rather not use copper kinetically.
You know, silver.
Silver for the werewolves and copper for the robots.
Perfect.
Perfect.
And if you can lodge that rifle round right into the robot battery, it'll short it out and we'll just drop.
And we'll take the copper out of there.
There we go.
And take the lithium, take the copper, like strip the robots.
Yeah.
Okay.
A little bit of science fiction in every show.
All right.
But thank you so much.
It's been an honor meeting you.
Oh, last question.
Can you explain to our audience the origin of the name of the company, Certodo?
Oh, sure.
Cer Todo.
My name is Jonathan Beale.
And be all, ser Todo.
It's just kind of a direct translation in Spanish, something that I had thought about of my name.
So be all.
Be all.
Todo, meaning all.
Todo meaning all.
And ser, ser is.
For me.
To be.
Yeah.
And, you know, kind of like full of life or the Army motto, be all you can be.
And, you know, I just thought, I need something that's going to allow me to do whatever I want.
So that's so perfect.
I mean, the company is literally named after you, but it doesn't sound like it's because it's a translation.
It's a translation.
It's so cool.
It's a great name.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
Brilliant.
All right, Mr. Certodo.
Si Senor.
Yeah, perfect.
Diego Mecca.
Yes, muy bien.
Okay, well, mucho cabacias for all of your time.
Yeah, thank you.
Very nice to meet you.
Pleasure is mutual.
All right, and thank you all for watching today.
I hope you found this enjoyable.
You know, we love to share joy and we love to share amazing craftsmanship.
And also, of course, you can help support our organization and get yourself some amazing pieces for your kitchen, for your home.
Just check out all these products.
You can find them at healthrangerstore.com slash copper.
Enjoy the copper and also the gold.
Look, I've got gold on my desk here too.
I've got gold and silver.
Have some silver.
We've got silver coins.
Okay.
Oh, this, wait a minute.
Here, let me give you this one.
This is a silver coin of veterans.
It's a veterans coin.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
I'll give you that one.
I have to keep this one because this is a Texas coin.
The Alamo.
Okay.
Buffalo.
Silver Buffalo.
Gold silver.
This is a nice minting.
This is a table of elements day.
Love it.
I love it.
I love it.
Thank you very much.
You're very welcome.
Enjoy.
And thank all of you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams of Bration.com.
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