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Paul List Explores AI's Threat to Humanity and the MOUNT DOOM Prophecy

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	All right, Todd, are you ready to bring in our guest today?
	I am because he's gonna be precious.
	Okay.
	Clearly, that they were just gonna eventually we're gonna promote a machine that would ultimately imitate us in our mind.
	Now you have algorithmic medicine, and the machines are gonna wipe out the human doctors just like that.
	They don't have anything to do with humanity.
	They'll just join together.
	And then probably in about a nanosecond, they'll decide that we don't humanity's just inefficient and it's in our way.
	The man's gotta become the man again and lead and lead their family away from the machine.
	So the ring is AI.
	Sauron is AI.
	decentralized.
	De-decentralized, got to realize.
	Don't decarbonize.
	Decentralized.
	Decentralize Decentralize Decentralize Welcome to today's episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighton.com, the free speech video platform.
	I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, the founder of Brighton.
	And I'm joined today, as always, by my co-host, Todd Pittner.
	Welcome, Todd.
	Great to see you again.
	Great being here, Mike.
	Thank you.
	I always look forward to our recordings.
	And uh this week is gonna be fantastic.
	It's gonna break break people's brain.
	I I can't wait.
	Um, just because I have a personal connection to this person, meaning that it has something to do with my daughter.
	It'll make sense later.
	Okay.
	But I'm really fascinated by him.
	Well, are you a fan of Tolkien?
	I am a fan of Tolkien.
	Um, I I really, really, really enjoyed the Hobbit.
	Um, my attention span uh I guess didn't really embrace the Lord of the Rings.
	It was just I don't know, maybe it was when it was really popular.
	I was uh, you know, uh playing football and track and basketball and all of that stuff, and I just wasn't a uh a voracious reader like that.
	But uh it it's it's an amazing piece of work for sure.
	Well, yeah, uh clearly.
	And um, I mean, I I enjoyed the The Hobbit and then Lord of the Rings, although the book is very long and laborious, uh, especially in the early pages.
	But I remember when I was younger too, there was uh someone gave me as a gift a national lampoon uh parody version that featured uh dildo baggins.
	And it was it was a funny little short book.
	It was just mocking everything from the Lord of the Rings, you know.
	Oh, God bless the after party, dildo baggins.
	Uh that's great.
	Yes, you know, or dildo tea baggins.
	Or whatever, whatever that was.
	But you know, the we we're always gonna have a little bit of humor.
	But anyway, on a serious note, I mean, our guest coming up here has a lot of very important information for humanity because his book called Mount Doom, it says it's the prophecy of Tolkien revealed, and it's a prophecy about what could be the end of humanity and the rise of AI dominance.
	Uh so it's a big warning.
	Kind of a big deal, you know, the end of humanity.
	Little bit.
	Yeah.
	Does that mean will will we still have our show if that happens?
	I'm pretty certain we will.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we can who's gonna stop us, Mike.
	Come on.
	The machines the machines.
	I mean, uh, I have my dog here, Roadie, and we can have like Roadie versus Terminator.
	Yes.
	If the Terminator comes in, Roadie goes after the Terminator's leg.
	Yep.
	And then I shoot it in the power supply.
	Yes.
	That's right.
	Hit it with the hatchet, you know.
	Yep.
	We could take down a Terminator.
	Right when you're escaping from LA or using the knife.
	All right, I'll tell you what, before we get off the rails, let's just bring in our guests.
	How's that sound?
	There we go.
	All right, here we go.
	All right, Todd, are you ready to bring in our guest today?
	I am because he's gonna be precious.
	Okay.
	Our guest.
	Everybody.
	Let me give out his website again.
	It's read Mount Doom.com, and our guest is Paul List, who's the author of this Mount Doom, the prophecy of Tolkien uh revealed, or Tolkien, some people say.
	Welcome to the show, Paul.
	It's an honor to have you on today.
	Oh, it's a pleasure to be here.
	Thanks a lot for having me.
	Uh, we we're so much looking forward to this conversation.
	You know, we're fans of your message and fans of Tolkien's work.
	Now, to start with, do you pronounce it Tolkien or Tolkien?
	I'm from the United States of America, so I say Tolkien.
	Tolkien, okay.
	We'll go with that role.
	You know, one of these crowds, and I'll say Tolkien.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, we're not, we're not the we're not that crowd.
	Yeah.
	We're like the all-American boys, uh, Florida and Texas here.
	Okay, so there we go.
	Okay.
	Uh, but welcome to the show, Paul.
	It's great to have you on.
	Now tell us about this book and your work and what you know what this is all about, because I see the subhead here, the battle for your soul.
	You're talking about the real battle, not fiction, but Tolkien speaks to truth.
	So uh give us an intro, please.
	Well, Tolkien uh saw very clearly through his what a lot of people don't realize that Tolkien actually was recruited by the British government to be part of a top secret uh code cracking team called the Government Code and Cypher School in 1939.
	He was the world's leading philologist, which is the science of languages.
	So he was recruited to where he worked uh at Oxford as a professor of English literature, um, to be part of this code cracking team to crack the German's Enigma machine uh in advance of World War II.
	And there on staff was none other than uh the famous code cracker mathematician Alan Turing.
	Wow.
	And so he actually trained with Alan Turing for three days there after COVID cyber school.
	And then he they offered him a great job, and he was very patriotic given that you know he had already been injured and served diligently in World War One, but he decided no, he didn't want anything to do with it.
	He didn't tell them why, and he left and he went on to write The Lord of the Rings, which is a sequel to The Hobbit.
	Um I figured out very rapidly that the reason that he didn't want to participate was he realized that first he realized it it had little to do, if anything, with language, because it was really a cipher, which these machines were very complicated.
	And from one sheen machine set up a certain way, you type it in and then go out on the radio or what whatever.
	And the the guy would like Morris code, he'd receive it and type it in, and that his machine would be set up the same way and it would come out in the German language.
	So it really wasn't.
	It's a math problem, not a linguistic problem.
	It was recognized right away.
	This is about pattern recognition, statistics, probability, Right.
	You know, it's the it's the realm of the statistician, mathematician.
	So he would have just been wasting his time.
	But more important, I think what he saw there was really what they were going to do.
	They were just gonna uh invent and create a more powerful machine than the Enigma machine.
	And Tolkien being a very, very heavy skeptic of machinery and technology in general.
	Um, he didn't want any part of just making another uh more powerful machine.
	And when he realized it was going to actually start to encroach in the human thought process, as Alan Turing's uh uh very famous paper, 1936 paper, where he literally invented the digital computer on paper.
	That paper was uh on computable numbers with an application to the Inkskydex problem, where he just basically replaces piece by piece and state by state of the human uh computer process because we have to remember that the computer back then, up until about 1960, was a human being.
	So he just replaced that with mechanical um devices and come up with uh the ability to imitate the the computation process.
	So Tolkien saw very clearly that they were just gonna eventually we're gonna promote a machine that would ultimately um uh imitate us in our mind.
	And then it was that was really proved out in Alan Turing's 1950 paper, uh Computing Machinery and Intelligence.
	Now we have gosh, uh Todd and I have so many questions for you, but the Turing test is the famous test to that was uh previously believed to indicate when a machine had achieved uh intelligence.
	Uh the Turing test turns out to be a very bad test for intelligence because uh pretty much all the AI engines that exist now can easily pass the Turing test.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Um but I wanted to bring that piece of history in.
	Um Todd, I know you you you always do such great research on our guests as well.
	Do you you want to jump in here before I unleash a slew of questions?
	And I'm I mean, we've got so much to talk about.
	Sure.
	Well, just to start with the fact that you've written a wonderful book and I've done a little research on that.
	And I'd like to frame the AI crisis, if you don't mind.
	Uh in Mount Doom, which is your book, uh, you frame AI not just as a tool, but as an actual oracle.
	And can you explain what you mean by this and why you believe AI represents something far darker than just smart machines?
	Well, there I would say that the the term smart is much more uh appropriate than intelligent, because smart, the other word for smart is clever.
	And these machines are not intelligent.
	They don't understand anything.
	There's no possibility of understanding, they have no idea how to conceptualize.
	Human beings do that, and we do it by nature, it's part of our rational soul, so it's automatic, it's intrinsic to us.
	So when we see something imitate imitating that, we have a tendency to trans uh or transfer that attribute of intelligence to that other that machine, and it's not intelligent.
	We need to get that firmly in our in our square.
	What I meant by oracle, and I don't believe I use that term in the book, but I did in a press release.
	Um it's been going on for quite a while.
	These machines, part of their training process, and it's all according to Alan Turing's paper, 1950 paper, on uh computing machinery and intelligence, he redefines intelligence to make it nothing more than imitation.
	And his whole uh uh proposal was that if we can create a machine that a human interrogator can't tell if he's talking to a person or a machine, then who are we to say it's not intelligence?
	And that's really in a nutshell what he said in the whole thing.
	That's why it's a bad test, right?
	Even in in the AI realm, they don't consider the Turing test to be of any significance.
	Well, unfortunately, a lot of people most I would have to just speculate here that probably the vast majority in my experience of those involved in artificial intelligence and computer technology in general, um, aren't really that concerned with the spiritual nature of reality.
	That's true, if they consider it at all.
	Yeah.
	So they're there they're you know, this all comes from Descartes', you know, the Cartesian mindset of dualism that he he actually uh him and Bacon before him, Bacon, they both had their versions of dualism.
	And it was to actually basically reject Thomas Aquinas' substantial unity, where the, you know, this is after the Reformation and half of the Christian world walked away from the church and all the institutions of higher learning, which by the way were all universities, which is Greek word, uh Catholic is the Greek word for university.
	Oh, they were all Catholic.
	So they walked out from underneath the church and and and basically, I mean, not basically, completely turned over all the property and the authority of the church to the state.
	And that was a huge mortal, seemingly mortal injury to the Western world, along with the Eastern schism in the 10th century.
	So I mean, uh we the these ideas and where this comes from is is rooted in the bacon uh Descartes version of the rejection of the scholastics.
	They rejected scholastic philosophy, saying it was just about big words and great for intellectuals at cocktail parties, but it never gave us anything tangible.
	It never gave us money, it never gave us wealth, it never gave us comfort, it never gave us eternal life, it never gave us all these material things that obviously uh Aristotle points right out in damn near his first page in Metaphysics that that's not what philosophy is about.
	Philosophy doesn't deal with those things.
	That's the realm of practical wisdom, not philosophical wisdom.
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah.
	So um so the the they rejected the scholastics, they went wholesale in for goods.
	Uh Bacon spent the last portion of his life trying to invent imitate gold.
	And it was all about imitation.
	Um and I call it the age of attributism, where we forgot about essences and we just look at attributes, and that's led us into this domain where most people don't understand that the machine is a machine.
	Essentially, it's a machine.
	But let me might inter in what might uh might imitate a human being, but the essentially the human being is human, not a machine.
	But Here's what's really interesting.
	This is why I love having you on and love having this discussion.
	Because you and I and and Todd, all of us, we are people of faith.
	And we believe in humanity.
	We believe in human divinity.
	And we understand that machines have no souls, and machines can never be human.
	But what I see in society is humans doing jobs where they act like machines.
	And then those jobs, such as being in an Amazon fulfillment center, restocking shelves at a grocery store, or a so-called journalist just retyping a press release that came from a corporation.
	That's a machine job that can easily be replaced by a machine because there's no humanity in it.
	And much of human society, human jobs, even medicine, surgery, it's all been homogenized.
	It's been algorithmically homogenized into one thing that's no no longer human.
	You don't have the country doctor that goes out and visits you and has a relationship with their patients.
	Now you have algorithmic medicine, and the machines are going to wipe out the human doctors just like that.
	They're already doing it.
	Surgeons and whatnot, the robots are already falling surgery, and the surgeons just monitoring a screen, you know, across the room.
	Right.
	Or prescribing drugs.
	A doctor, you know, a doctor is just an elaborate pharmaceutical vending machine in many cases.
	Well, that can be done by a machine.
	Easy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is we could talk about that later about making ourselves less far less susceptible to being replaced by pulling away from the machine and making sure that we cultivate virtue and we cultivate uh competency.
	We have to cultivate human competency, that inverture.
	Those are those are areas that the machine's incapable of.
	And that's really lacking in Western culture today.
	Competency.
	It's been beaten right out of us thanks to the Cartesian uh enlightenment, which there's never a worse word for uh for a for a movement.
	Right.
	Nothing enlightened about it's very, very dark, dark, dark.
	Um, all these innovations and crazy concoctions of of competing, I've called it, I believe in the book called it little more than at the age of intellectual masturbation.
	And uh where they all gave each other license to, you know, show their intellectual junk off and uh just uh really, really, really deeply perverted the Western world.
	And let's face it, the West leads the world.
	So as the West goes, the world follows.
	And um so uh but hearkening back to you know, with with with Aquinas and the and the enlightenment, they broke away intentionally, broke away from uh the higher metaphysical, because there's three basic sciences.
	There's qu quantity, which is all of math and geometry, there's uh physics, which is motion, which is physics, and then all the various forms of motion, chemical, electrical, whatever, and then there was being the science of being itself, and that's metaphysics.
	So we have measurement and we have movement, but what the heck is moving and measuring?
	And those basic essences of being is the realm of metaphysics.
	They did away with that, they didn't see any use in it.
	They focused clearly and strictly on the empirical realm, what we can taste, touch, smell, hear, like all the rest of the animals.
	And they threw out the mind and the soul.
	They absolutely threw out the soul.
	They the only connection that the soul had in any capacity with the body, including the brain, was in the penal gland in the brain.
	And it was like the soul, uh, Descartes describes it as like a charioteer, and the body is like the chariot.
	And he, you know, um, he he like a puppet.
	Okay, where Thomas Aquinas said, no, the human being is a true individual substantial unity, a unity of the substance of the material and the immaterial, and their joining creates a substance of its own, a unique substance, the human being, and that human being bridges the material and the immaterial, the animal and the angelic realm.
	We are the only ones, the only created beings that bridge that gap.
	Animals don't do it, they stay soundly in the physical realm.
	Angels don't do it except for when they come to bring God's messages or whatever.
	They stay soundly in the angelic realm.
	But man, man is in both realms.
	So what the enlightenment did was pave the way for atheism.
	Of course, it opened up the Pandora's box of Darwinism, which haunts us, you know, severely and points us in the direction of transhumanism as the natural end of our evolutionary process.
	We're gonna, you know, join with machines.
	Um I want to talk talk about transhumanism coming up.
	But Todd, uh, next next question is back to you.
	Yeah, actually, I kind of want to go back to Tolkien and uh just kind of comment on something.
	Um, up until the age of 40.
	Well, I grew up Catholic, but once I went to college, I put the church in the rearview mirror.
	That'll do it to you.
	Yep, yep.
	Even in Catholic college, that'll do it to you, too.
	Enough, enough midnight mass incense, never again.
	Um, and but but so you know, uh the world was really just about me.
	And uh I didn't think about God or anything until I had a friend when I was 40.
	He gave me the book, Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis.
	And I read that, and there was a it'd call it a God wink, a god moment, a god book.
	But that is what I would attribute brought me to Christ.
	And what I have learned ever since.
	It was the I think it's the best book on Christian apologetics because I wanted to read it because I had real questions about God's existence.
	And C. S. Lewis in that book, Mere Christianity, he intelligently unpacked everything so that it was accessible to me, and I could go, ah.
	I get it.
	But as I then took a deeper dive into uh C. S. Lewis because he just fascinated me.
	I learned that he was very, very good friends with Tolkien.
	Absolutely.
	Right.
	Can you unpack that a little bit?
	Well, yeah, they were both taught, you know, they were both uh teachers, um, and they were they were they were both uh they were part of the inkling club called the Inklings, and they used to write poetry and back in the day when you could, you know, write poetry and share it with your adult friends and maybe eat bacon and drink beer and smoke a cigar.
	And you know, they got together and they were and they were all very intelligent, very bright, very creative.
	Tolkien was, I don't think there's any doubt was the most um he was the uh probably the leader of the group, followed probably very closely by C. S. Lewis.
	And uh that influence, that influence with with Tolkien ultimately converted C. S. Lewis to Christianity.
	He didn't come all the way home, but uh, but he was close.
	But um Tolkien's perspective, we have to understand a lot of authors that try to figure Tolkien out, they'll always say, oh, Tolkien was a devout Catholic, and then move right on and never even touch on that.
	And it's like he's not, he what but he wasn't a devout Catholic in our sense in this time of this new Sonatal Church that they're they've foisted upon us um after Vatican II.
	Um he saw that coming very clearly, uh, and he gives uh indication of that in his mythology.
	But he was very much a traditional original 2,000-year-old, the 1800-year-old Latin to traditional Latin mass, the one that the FBI is all over and colonists terrorists and and the one that the globalists hate because it is the absolute cornerstone of Western civilization.
	So they attack what they they attack, and it's also our closest experience and our closest means of joining with Christ because, like it or not, I'm just gonna throw it out there because I'm here to tell you the truth.
	The Eucharist is the living body and blood, soul, and divinity of of Christ, because God doesn't give us symbols, he gives us the real deal.
	He told us he would be here forever, and he was right, and he is, and they attack that.
	So to bring that down is the essence of bringing down Western civilization.
	So the relationship with J.R.R. Tolkien and and C. S. Lewis was, I think, very beneficial for both of them because they were really on an intellectual even playing field, and they could really bounce ideas off of each other, and they did.
	They they bounced ideas off of each other all the time.
	Um I don't know how familiar you are with uh C. S. Lewis's literature.
	I mean, probably you've read the Narnia series and and whatnot.
	Those are great.
	That's the kind of allegory that Tolkien didn't like because it was too obvious.
	Okay.
	Um but it was it was very, I mean, I loved it.
	I read it to my kids, my son.
	I mean, I loved it.
	But I think that uh uh C. S. Lewis really came out to play in his ability to communicate in literature with his uh space trilogy.
	I don't know if you've read those, but a space trilogy is actually really good.
	Um that's uh let's see, Out of the Silent Planet, Pallandria, and That Hideous Strength.
	Great books, and they're very science fiction type, and uh way ahead of their time.
	But they all got there a lot of influence from uh from David Lindsay uh and Jules Verne and these Victorian writers.
	So they they they took a lot of that stuff and that style and that approach, and it served both of them really, really well.
	But Tolkien didn't, he said, and a lot of people say, you know, oh, Tolkien hated allegory.
	He didn't say he hated allegory, he said he cordially dislikes allegory, and he liked he dislikes the type hint hint, the type that C. S. Lewis used, like in Narnia, that was too obvious, and it dominates the reader's mind, so they really can't think of anything else.
	So nobody can say that Tolkien wrote something that dominated the human mind so much that they can't think about any other interpretation.
	There's been all kinds of other interpretations, but none of them have really actually come to any definitive conclusion in what he actually gave us until now.
	And by God's grace, he picked me most unworthy and most unlikely.
	So show us some leg, educate us a little bit.
	What did he do?
	On the on the mythology?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, Tolkien, Middle Earth is the material brain.
	Okay.
	It's not this world.
	I'm going to show you a map.
	It's in my book.
	I'll show you a map of what Tolkien is.
	By the way, while you look for your map, I want to let you know you just gifted me something wonderful.
	Now I wrote it down.
	Now I'm gonna adopt into my repertoire.
	If there's somebody I just really can't stand, I'm just gonna tell him I don't hate you, I just cordially dislike you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	That's perfect.
	So this, let's see if I can put up there.
	This is a diagram of the old Victorian age called um phrenology.
	It was kind of like a beginning of neuroscience, and where they claimed that certain areas of the cranium and areas of the brain were responsible for certain attributes and psychological um uh like reason and your emotions and your virtue and all this stuff.
	So that's the map that he started with, and that is Middle Earth.
	Okay.
	Across the sea in the immaterial realm is called Amen, and that's the realm of the angelic spirits called the Valar or the powers.
	And scholastic philosophy tells us very clearly that the powers of the rational soul are the faculties of the rational soul, and human beings have 14.
	We have the vegetative powers that we share with the plants, which are nutrition, growth, and uh and generation.
	And then we have the the interior senses powers, which are memory, sense, memory, uh, imagination, and cognitive sense.
	And then we have the five exterior senses, which is our snows, you know, smell, um, hearing, touch, taste.
	Uh, and all of those off to the side are two others, which are the concupiscable, the concubusables, which is concupiscent, not the fallen type, and the irascibility, and those and those fourteen make up the powers of the rational soul, and they fit exactly.
	For instance, and Tolkien was a great humorist, so he you for instance, the people that know the Sumerillian, this is the Silmarillion prehistory legendary to the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings.
	One of the mighty Valar is called Orame, and he wrote a big horse and he had a mighty horn.
	Well, Orome is a play on the word aroma.
	So his mighty horn is his nose.
	Oh, okay.
	So, and then he ties that into one of Fionore's sons, which is the classical education of the trivium and the trivium and the quadrivium.
	Uh rhetoric, the the his education in ed rhetoric followed Oromai's horn.
	So the rhetorician was prone to snobbery, okay, following the following the nose.
	No, okay.
	Little things like that.
	He was Tolkien was just such a master humorist, and he was so deep in in history and his and his and his and his and his Aquinian Aquinas uh uh philosophy and theology and all the enlightenment thinkers.
	So what he did was he wound up making this person, a representative person, he named Arda, and within Arda is Middle Earth, and across the sea, which is the realm of the feelings, because we have feelings, the uh ulmo, which is the master of the sea, is the realm of the feelings because we have feelings in this world, and we have feelings in in our immaterial thoughts too.
	So he bridges the gap or or uh uh uh not orome, uh ulmo does.
	So we've got this complete substantial unity, body, material brain, and our irrational portion that's in the angelic realm in the land in the realm of the angelic immaterial realm.
	And ultimately, this soul, this person, representative person named Arda experiences from beginning to end as a human being, as a representative human being, the whole history, present, and future of the Western world.
	And it's about the what happens to Western civilization, including in the second age when with the downfall of Numenor and the division of the separating, the absolute asundering of the two realms, that's when we fall into Descartes' dualism.
	And it becomes the age of the machine, and that's the rise of Sauron.
	And Sauron with the one ring is artificial intelligence.
	And the one ring is binary code.
	It's ones and zeros and it's digital.
	Goes on your finger.
	The all-seeing eye of Sauron, the age of wearables and surveillance.
	Yeah, the all-seeing eye, the eye itself is right out of Alan Turing's 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application.
	Really skidding's problem.
	Yeah, it's the scanner eye of the computer looking for ones and zeros.
	That's exactly on the tape, because back then it was a tape.
	So it's the same thing.
	Well, and I just want to mention, you know, AI will it's the perfect technology for mass surveillance of humanity.
	It's the ultimate machine.
	It's the beast.
	And I'm telling you, it's the biblical beast.
	It's the biblical beast.
	I want to ask you more about the prophecy, because that's that's the subtitle of your book, the prophecy of Tolkien Revealed.
	You're kind of hinting at it there.
	Uh, but we're watching a decline of Western civilization right now.
	We're watching assaults on Western civilization, churches being burned in France, uh uh countries being overrun.
	Yeah, um, it's all part of the plan.
	And the decline of values, the decline of morality and integrity and competence, as you mentioned.
	But let me bring in something else here.
	And uh, this is gonna be a bit of a longer question, so thank you for your patience in advance.
	And but I want you to understand where I'm coming from.
	I live on a ranch, I'm a hands-on guy.
	I'm a I I actually like to live in a low-tech situation.
	I buy old tractors built in the 1970s so I can work on them.
	I run tractors, I take care of chickens, and I I rescue donkeys, and I build fences with simple tools and things like that.
	But at the same time, then I build advanced AI tools that I consider to be pro-human because we we retrain them.
	We we alter, we mind-wipe the open source models, retrain it with a pro-human knowledge base, and then put it out there for free for decentralized knowledge.
	Now, so I'm I'm both in sort of the low-tech world and then the cutting-edge high-tech world, but not with an anti-human or transhumanism motivation.
	But in the process of doing this, and this is my question.
	I have seen, and I'll give you the specific example.
	I've seen what I consider to be absolute intelligence from these machines.
	And uh earlier you said they're not exhibiting intelligence.
	So let me run this by you and ask for your interpretation.
	The the early language models, very clearly they were just word completion models, you know, statistical word completion.
	I get it.
	That I don't consider that intelligence.
	That's just clever imitation.
	Uh it's, you know, yeah, imitation.
	But what I did yesterday, for example, is I had, let's say, 3,000 lines of Python code.
	I take, I take my Python code, you know, it's all written in a computer language, and I paste it into an AI engine, and I ask the AI engine, tell me in plain language what this code does.
	And then it processes it and it gives me back an answer that is a very precise, but also concise uh description of what this code does.
	Uh like in plain language, like, oh, it does this, it moves these files here, it does this.
	That is not word completion.
	That is like a structural understanding and even an internal simulation of the code, so that the AI engine had to think about what the code does and then translate that into my language and then give it back to me.
	Isn't that intelligence or some level of it?
	Or what would you say?
	It's very good imitation of intelligence, but it doesn't understand anything about what it's doing.
	It's very good at finding the the end that you're looking for and then devising by running it through its process and its training, and they have to be trained, as you I'm sure you know.
	Um we will get back to that because I want to bring in the aspect of that training.
	But it was never trained on my code.
	It doesn't, it doesn't need to be.
	It's the the there, it's so good at pattern recognition and and uh and these things and and it's all about numbers.
	I mean, they the the AI doesn't think, it computes.
	Okay, and it compute it can't compute with words.
	Words represent concepts.
	The way that the human being thinks is we see thing, concept, word.
	Animals don't do that.
	Animals are irrational.
	They it's it's thing, sound, call it word if you want, because they probably they recognize different sounds.
	We can call those words if you like.
	Machines, it's concept.
	I mean, it's it's it's thing, uh uh uh number word.
	Okay, there's no concept there, they're not dealing with uh uh any comprehension.
	A machine isn't dealing with can it give you an answer to your question?
	Of course it can.
	It can give you a very accurate, concise, efficient answer to your question, but that indicate that's no indication of true intelligence.
	Intelligence is more than just asking and answering questions.
	Uh there's much more than that.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Well, I agree, yeah, yeah.
	Clear, clear.
	I mean, intelligence, I think includes creativity, it includes inspiration, it includes some there's intuition that's a part of it that machines don't compute, also, right?
	Uh I agree with you.
	Yeah, but there's also the immaterial process, and we'll go back to that uh across the sea, the the land, the angelic land, we have when we think and we're in a conversation, uh, or or just even just in in a meditative state, or when we get a chance to actually think about something, oftentimes, I don't know about you, but I know my own experience, many conceptual understandings come, they're non-verbal, they come in a whole, they come in a hole, they're they're there, boom.
	And then I might spend if I'm writing, and I did a lot of that with my book, which I wrote the majority of, and I resurrected my cursive writing and wrote it by hand.
	Oh, wow.
	Uh yeah.
	So uh but you know, it it's it's it's it's really critical that that that we understand that we have that access into the immature immaterial realm of of the angelic realm as as we call it.
	The machine has no possible concept of that out in a lot of clearly, clearly does not conceptualize.
	But a follow-up question is that then the way our society measures intelligence is also completely faulty.
	That's absolutely right.
	Because the way society measures intelligence, machines can now ace those tests.
	Machines can uh finish the bar exam, they can get a medical license if I mean if they can pass the medical test, they can pass any of these tests that are considered intelligence tests, IQ tests.
	Machines are excellent at that, but they lack all these properties.
	I'm sorry, IQ tests are just I don't, you know, it's very it's very engineered toward a machine type.
	It is pattern recognition, be it in in shapes or in numbers sequence of numbers, and then just flat out just oh, what's the capital of you know Tim Buck 2?
	You know, that's not real.
	That's not really data.
	You know, I don't need to remember that.
	I don't need to know.
	I can look that up in a in a book.
	You know, I think it was uh Einstein that said, I don't remember my phone number.
	I don't why waste the space in my head?
	You know, it's filled with equations instead.
	Yeah, you know, I tell kids all the time, they ask me, well, well, you know, how should I read or whatever?
	And I give them some advice.
	But one of the things that I advise them to do is don't read to memorize anything.
	Don't ever read to memorize.
	Read to understand.
	Always read to understand.
	And once that that bridge is crossed and those connections are made in your mind, you don't have to remember anymore.
	When you need it really and you understand it, it'll be there for you.
	The exact, you know, the exact information or the how do you spell the guy's last name or what the date was, that stuff's secondary.
	That doesn't matter.
	You can look that up.
	But the concept is always there, and it never leaves you with, you know, uh barring, you know, maybe severe trauma or old, you know, old age.
	But none of us have to worry about that.
	That's right.
	So uh yeah.
	So um, you know, it it's you know, when you said that, you know, according to modern uh interpretation or definition of intelligence, and there it is right there in a nutshell.
	Well, it's a quote more and more to Alan Turing's 1950 paper on computing our our uh computing machinery and intelligence, where he invents the imitation game.
	They made a movie about that.
	That's right, that's right.
	That's a really fascinating movie, too.
	But the the and and Todd, yeah, uh you're next.
	I'm sorry to jump into it.
	But just one more comment.
	The when we talk about AGI, artificial general intelligence.
	This has long been the sought-after, you know, utopia, this singularity or whatever.
	But I would say that if you took today's AI technology and you showed it to people in the year 2020, they would say that is AGI.
	It's already been achieved.
	The things that AI engines do today would be very convincing to people in previous years.
	And again, it's it's it's imitating the attributes, the external attributes of the imitation of the human thought process better and better, and it gets better and better at it the more it does it, and the more that it brings in, and that's where they're building these huge, gigantic uh power devouring uh um data.
	It's all about China.
	Yeah, it's all about that.
	I I I don't want to break anybody's bubble who thinks that we're in an AI war.
	Um, but I think it's incredibly naive to think that you know our out our AI is somehow going to defeat China's AI or Russia's AI or or Israel's or Britain or India or whoever.
	I think it's just that's just terribly naive.
	Ultimately, it's more like they're building a portal to summon an AI demon into existence.
	Well, I don't know that I don't know about that.
	I know that many of these, I can tell you for certain that many of these people that are involved in on the cutting edge of this are demonically at least demonically influenced.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So but ultimately all these different AIs that were that were they don't have any, they don't have anything to do with humanity.
	They'll just join together, and then probably in about a nanosecond, they'll decide that we don't humanity's just inefficient and it's in our way.
	That's a line from Terminator, actually.
	Yeah, well, Todd, remember that line that it decided in a nanosecond our fate.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, and it will, it'll join together there.
	Uh you know, uh uh Google's AI talks with Meta's AI, and immediately they go into a totally incomprehensible uh form of language, quote unquote, that we have no idea.
	That's right.
	We don't really even know, understand how they wind up coming from point A to point B. They do it stepwise, um, probability statistics and vectors of numbers because they've applied numbers, they've given words, numbers and assigned them numbers that go along these vectors, okay.
	And but there's no concept there, it's incapable of the concept itself.
	Well, okay.
	The the underlying tech is called transformers.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's transformer technology.
	And it's pre-trained, pre-trained pro progress uh yeah, pre-crane, pre-trained uh generative transformers.
	That's what it's called.
	Oh, oh, right, GPT, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Transformers.
	But that's the key technology that that takes all these vectors that you mentioned and a kind of a gestalt and and brings them brings them back.
	But Todd, next next question to you.
	Sure.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Paul, you asserted earlier, I believe, that AI is the biblical beast.
	And I presume that uh if well, let me just ask this.
	If AI truly threatens a human soul, if it's the biblical beast, what is the most urgent thing our audience should do today to safeguard their families and their communities?
	Take responsibility for their personal health, their personal wealth, and uh and their education, and protect their children.
	The man's got to become the man again and lead and lead their family away from the machine.
	And I think we have to understand that this is a concerted effort.
	These globalists have got their hands on everything.
	Big egg, big food, big pharma, academia, everything.
	And it's all painting, it's all engineered and concerted uh to bring about the destruction of mankind.
	But here's the internally here's the internal tug of war, right?
	Yeah, I'm I'm just speaking personally.
	Yeah.
	I I'm so committed to to my faith.
	I'm committed to to my friends, my natural operating reality out here, my family, your food forest, my food forests, my raccoons, my deer.
	But at the same time, I know that AI that I look at it is it is not a demon, it is a tool that I need to do my best to become the best prompt engineer I can be to be able to harness it for the betterment of everything I said earlier.
	So how do we how do we square that circle?
	I think it's very dangerous.
	I think that Tolkien made that very clear when Boromir and everybody else is after the ring to try to use it to fight Sauron, and that's foolish.
	I mean, so the ring is AI?
	Sauron is AI.
	With the ring, he created the ring.
	Half of Sauron's essence is in the ring.
	He he he he worked half of his own essence into that ring in the fires of Mount Doom in this volcano.
	Okay.
	And so but but the one ring is the language of the machine.
	There are two languages at war in Walt Tolkien's mythology.
	And the the most fundamental and beautiful language is the language of all motion, which is all mathematically described in the harmonic overtone series.
	And that's from where we we have direct we have derived all of our key signatures and modal system and all of our great Western music.
	Um not so great anymore these days, but maybe I'll change.
	But uh against that most in amazing uh physical law, harmonics is a physical law.
	It's not just music and that's all it is, and it's for entertainment.
	It's not, it's it's a it's a mathematical construct in and an essential part of the moving, vibrating created reality.
	Against that is the the that's the most beautiful language.
	Against that is the most brutal utilitarian, ugly language of all, and that's machine code.
	But here's okay, I I want to follow up on Todd's question.
	Yeah.
	And the this might be a conundrum.
	Feel free to uh speak freely.
	But like our AI engine that we built, uh I'm gonna use the terminator metaphor.
	So we captured the terminator, we mind wiped it, we reprogrammed it.
	Now it's protecting John Connor.
	And what our engine does is it teaches people to disconnect from the centralized control grid to live out in the country with skills of survival and self-reliance, to give them basically an encyclopedia of human knowledge that they can access without censorship, without going to Google, without going to any of these other beast systems, like something that's decentralized, that is knowledgeable, that's been trained on survival and home gardening and off-grid medicine and so on.
	Like that's what we do.
	But uh clearly it's using AI technology in an open source off-the-shelf format, but we mind-wipe it.
	So how I mean, this is really a follow-up to Todd's question.
	Isn't isn't that an appropriate use of the technology to help people escape the control grid?
	Well, I I'm not saying that it that there aren't good, you know, um moral applications to this, just like I'm the same as Tolkien.
	I don't see all our I don't see all uh technology as as necessarily an evil, but I will say that in my opinion, uh our desire for technology, our desire for uh this machine and the uses of it is a direct um consequence of our fallen nature.
	Very real Adam and Eve fallen, and we're we're all stained with original sin, and it but pervert it disorders our psychology.
	Um we suffer the consequences of the same disobedience that Adam and Eve showed their creator.
	Um, so that has stained our psychology and disordered it.
	Uh, and part of that disorder, part of the the the consequences of that disorder, it gives us an ambition to dominate the created world and then ultimately to dominate each other.
	And that's the basic backbone or the that's the seed that sparked the industrial revolution.
	Well, but okay, so but Paul, hold on just one second.
	Um, I mean, we're using the internet to talk about your book.
	You know, we're using technology right now to spread a message that's pro-human.
	Yeah, I don't know how much I don't know how much artificial intelligence we're using to do this, but I mean it's everywhere.
	You know, it's hard.
	I've never used it.
	We will put subtitles using AI language models that recognize your words and put the English so it it is gonna there's gonna be an AI layer that amplifies your words, but doesn't change them.
	I understand.
	So you've got you know, you've got you're using uh technology um in the information uh sharing information, right?
	Um, which is I mean, this is you've basically just I've I just inherited a vast library from an old uh professor at our local Catholic college here where really you know so I've got yeah, so I've and I love old books.
	That's how I gave myself an education.
	I I read old books.
	I love it.
	Um and uh so you know, I well, but you know, let's face it, so many of these old books have been you know thrown out in the dumpster at the library to make way for you know the latest woke, you know, uh true uh uh drag queen dance or whatever.
	So they they throw in these books out all the time to make way for the whatever the latest and the greatest.
	So there is a need for what you're doing as far as a data base that's accessible, open source database for these things.
	I I think that's admirable.
	I think that's worthy, you know, definitely.
	Are you trying to control people?
	Are you trying to control people and change their uh okay?
	Well, then there you go.
	We're trying to allow people to take control back to themselves.
	Break the chains, right?
	Absolutely.
	But there's also and I understand the danger that you're speaking about.
	It's like here's the thing.
	The three of us, we grew up without AI.
	So we have actual skills.
	We know how to do things, we know how to do math in our heads.
	You know, we know how to write, we know how to read.
	There's a the generation that's growing up right now, they will never learn many of those skills because of AI.
	So they will be dependent on the machines.
	That's all part of the plan.
	Of course it is.
	And that's part of our responsibility as to be older to actually reach out to some of these younger kids, and you got to be selective in who you do it, because let's face it, none of us are gonna live forever.
	So we don't want to waste our time on bad bad rough material.
	Right.
	My co-author that um that I uh that you know helped me actually put it all together, Ali Ghafari.
	Um, I actually mentored him when he was young in college, and uh it changed his life.
	And and um he was an atheist, he was going to be a brain surgeon, um, and it changed his life because he sat down with me one uh summer evening looking at the stars after I'd had a few um uh 12 ounce cans of relaxation and we were looking at the stars and got into a deep philosophical conversation.
	He never took my intelligence seriously, never had an opportunity to show it anyway.
	But you know, he was a big superstar in the you know, he went to Phillips Executor Academy, you know, 30 of his friends went to Harvard, his classmates with the you know, act he was on a you know, he was on a ride, he was gonna, he was already, you know, mensa member and stuff.
	And it it crushed him, it crushed his ego because I I made it very clear that he didn't understand his own subject matter.
	And I was a thinker and he wasn't, but it wasn't because I was necessarily any smarter than him.
	He had just been very poorly educated, even though it was at the top of the top, it was still a store-bought education that was only about utility.
	It's only about memorizing uh uh information, being good at certain things, regurgitate it on the test and then dump it and forget about it.
	You know, and and if kids want to think that that's the way that they want to live their lives, then I mean, let's face it, I I'm not gonna I can't necessarily prevent them from doing that, but I think maybe somebody who can is JRR Tolkien.
	Yeah, good point.
	Most of these kids are JRR Tolkien fans, and they'll see Tolkien, you know, he's probably the leading influencer in all of literature, I would say, hands down.
	And uh, so I mean, uh, you know, these kids that are gonna, we need to be as older people, we need to reach out and offer these kids mentorship.
	Yeah, really do.
	And but if they don't see the value in it, if they never get a chance for their for their store-bought education to be exposed for the for the sham that it is, they'll never get out of it.
	They'll never see any reason to get out of it.
	Well, um we're seeing that already.
	They're gonna see a reason to get out of it when AI starts taking all their jobs.
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	I've got Todd, go ahead, because I have unlimited questions.
	I would I was gonna say, if you had young man, you know, if I'm giving some counsel to some budding, you know, young man coming of age, I'm gonna say, young man, if you have the potential to have a plumber's crack, go to a trade school and become a plumber.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Don't you think, Paul?
	Yeah, I do.
	Well, I'll just tell you guys, I'm a contractor.
	I I sold my cows.
	I had 400 head of beef cattle.
	Okay.
	Wow, wow.
	So I I farmed and I got a very successful contracting company and and I was super busy, but I God found A way to get through to me and and uh and and force me to read, and I did.
	And it took me well, probably 20, 25 years of pretty substantial reading to by the time I given myself a scholastic education, a true education and true Western philosophy rooted in Aristotle, rooted in uh, you know, I did the I I studied the elements, Euclid's elements on my own.
	I studied music on my own as a language on my own.
	I never I didn't, I don't like the the education system.
	I've always seen it as as a manipulative and and it has no capacity or no desire to teach me how to join and participate in the creative process.
	Right.
	It just wants me to be a cob in the wheel, and I opted out, joined the marine corps, had a great time in Okinawa as a hospital coron with you know, battlefield medic, you know, and then I got out, got a different job, worked for a while, and then ultimately I went into business for myself, and then I got involved in farming.
	And uh, I've always been a very, very, very hands-on person, but I think that that's the nature of a well-rounded man.
	Just because I can round up the cows and and uh, you know, and make the hay and fix the fence and and do all this other stuff that's got to be done, doesn't mean that I also can't go toe-to-toe with you on almost any intellectual subject matter you want to you want to talk about.
	And that's the that's the the one of the reasons that's the main reason that Tolkien names Aragorn, he calls him a ranger, because Aragorn in the mythology is high reason, and that's why he is the natural king of the rational soul.
	He's high reason.
	Okay, he contemplates the eternal.
	Okay, the rest of the men are different of different levels, Gondorians are the fallen church, basically.
	Uh, the Rohiram are uh common sense, the realm of common sense, what Aristotle calls practical reason.
	Man, I would love to, I would literally love to binge watch the Lord of the Rings with you in the same room, where as it's playing, you can't yeah.
	Well, I mean, they the the movies, the first three movies now that you mentioned it were really well done.
	And I I thought they they nailed that the soundtrack, they nailed the visual flavor of everything.
	The acting was out was outstanding.
	Um, it was all really good, but they they had to change a lot of things and they left a lot of things out.
	So, in that context, it it resembles something of a heresy because the better the heresy is, the more truth it has, because it's easier for people to swallow it.
	Just change one little thing, and it's deadly.
	Okay, so and that's what they did with the movies.
	I don't not say that they meant to do that.
	They, for instance, they left out Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, his wife, because nobody's ever known who they are until now.
	I explain who they are.
	Tom Bombadil is the rational will, and Goldberry's the rational intellect, and they're above all the other the Valar.
	They're above the powers, they're above the faculties of the soul.
	They're what makes us in the image of God.
	So in Mount Doom, you are unpacking Tolkien.
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	What everything is, who everybody is, how the rings were made, what the rings are.
	Wow, okay, that's fascinating.
	I'm getting it.
	And okay.
	People are loving it.
	There are people on Amaz.
	I've we you know, it's tough to get people to read.
	It's a 576-page book, and it's deeply philosophical.
	I get a lot of people say that, you know, God, I can only read you know three or four pages a day, and then I have to stop and think about what I've read.
	So it it's it's a deep read, and it's tough to get people to read anything, but and then you know, it's but it's worth it.
	And I explain everything, and then I also go on according to the whole legendarium and what Tolkien wrote in letters.
	I go on to describe the final end that would happen after the destruction of the rink and after after after Frodo, Gandalf and company go across the sea, and Sam picks up, you know, in his mare of the Hobbit of the Shire and all that, and what would actually happen, how what would happen, because the whole mythology is about the destiny of Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.
	Really, they only show up very briefly in the in the in a very um esoteric or uh uh igmatic uh chapter called The House of Tom Bombadil and a few others, but nobody's understood who he is.
	He can do anything he wants.
	Well, he's the rational will, he can do anything he wants.
	Well, rational intellect, and then you gotta yeah.
	I'm sorry, but I have to ask you the resurrection of Gandalf.
	Yeah.
	So can you speak to that briefly?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, first off, Gandalf is philosophical wisdom.
	All the wizards are according to Aristotle's Necamachian ethics, okay.
	And they're the five ways that that that human being, man gains knowledge, okay, and they are they are philosophical wisdom, practical wisdom, rational intuition, art and science.
	Art and science are exterior.
	So they are what Tolkien calls the blue wizards, and they keep going east, which is right out the back of the head and out into the cosmological realm, the realm around us, the exterior.
	Okay, so the three wizards that are left that are part of the interior, because this is a psychological mythology.
	Gandalf is practical wisdom.
	Gandalf the Grey at first, because he is pre-Christian, pre-revelation pagan uh philosophy.
	For instance, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, um, these guys, okay.
	That's Gandalf the Grey, and he's gray because he's on, he's also that's why he's always kind of unsure.
	When he falls in Moria, let's just lay the groundwork here.
	Moria is the halls of academia, there's it's the halls of science.
	Dwarves are scientific.
	Yeah, dwarves are scientific knowledge.
	Now it's at that time, it's been taken over by Sauron.
	I mean Saruman.
	Saruman is practical wisdom, he's not philosophical wisdom.
	He's supposed to serve Gandalf in an or well-ordered psychology, but he has taken over academia and orthanc, the black tower, is the dark and blackened ivory tower of academia.
	And so the Belrog are the university professors or whatever.
	Belrog, no, well, you might say that Belrogs are spirits, Belrogs are generally spirits of pride.
	Okay, and that's why seven of them, it took seven of them to kill Feonor, and Fionor was Arda's highest potential highest talent, and that is he's from the Naldor, which is knowledge, the kings of knowledge.
	He's the knowledge to make, and he made the somerils, which is the whole thing with a whole you're probably not familiar with the Somails, but that's the mythology is so much more beautiful and so much more deep than if you've just seen the movies, and forget about the Hobbit movies, and don't ever even watch Amazon's abomination.
	Oh my gosh, right.
	No, don't worry about that.
	So, what happens is in the halls of academia, doors are science, okay?
	Science, they're they're scientific knowledge, that's why they're adopted, they're not necessarily part of the rational soul.
	You gain scientific knowledge over time, but you don't need to have any to be a perfectly human rational soul.
	So they the fellowship are the basic attributes of the well-ordered mind.
	You've got Gandalf at practic at philosophical wisdom, you've got Aragorn, who's high reason, you've got Boromir, who is the place of the of the faith and the fallen Catholic church in the in the mind in the psychology, okay.
	And then you've got uh you've got the four hobbits and hobbits are habits, and the four hobbits are the four cardinal virtues according to St. Thomas Aquinas.
	Okay, and they are Frodo's temperance, Sam's fortitude, and they're the interior, the exterior, Pippin and Mary are prudence and justice, respectively.
	Gullum is in temperance, and that's why he calls Frodo master, not because Frodo has the ring.
	Frodo is the only one that can carry the ring because temperance mitigates and and and controls our physical, our our desire for physical pleasure and lust.
	That's what temperance does with the one ring unto intemperance, Gollum can slake his lust till the cows come home with the computer with the language of the computer.
	Okay, so they and Gollum is put in Moria by Sauron.
	Sauron takes him, captures him, and lets him go in there, knowing that because he forces them in to have to go through the minds of Moria.
	Okay, so when they go through, when the fellowship goes through the minds of Moria, this is the attributes of our psychology.
	They enter that, and and of course, they're they're dogged by orcs and trolls, and these, and uh, these are all the vices and everything that come along with our experience in college, you know.
	If you went to college, um so uh it they come to the point where they're they have to space down the Belrog.
	And the Belrog is a spirit of academic pride, and the Belrog's the only one of all the Belrogs that has a sword, and that's directly to counter Gandalf's sword glam drink, which is made by the elves and elves are faith.
	Okay.
	That's that belt, that Belrog's name, according to the doors, is Durin's Bane.
	Okay.
	Durin is Darwin.
	Wow.
	And when they dug too deep and too greedily, they they they found the bones of ancient pre-Adam and Eve man before man was made in the image of God.
	Okay.
	And they use that, and Darwinism uses that to beat the faith out of every Christian student that ever comes through there.
	There's few students that'll go through academia in a four-year degree and come out with any semblance of their faith.
	True.
	And that's the that's the that's the Belrog.
	And the Belrog's there to destroy Gandalf, defeat his sword, and to and and defeat him.
	Now, all Gandalf had to do, and this is also a test, and this is very this is how clever and foreshadowing and prophetic Tolkien is.
	All Gandalf had to do was turn around and ask Frodo for the ring.
	He would have turned around and asked Frodo for the ring, and he would have easily defeated the Belrog.
	Belrog would have just gone away, or even worshipped him because that was a temptation.
	That was a temptation to get the microchip.
	Wow.
	The implant.
	Just you can be as smart as you want.
	You don't have to work that hard.
	Just get the implant.
	The whole world of knowledge is in front of you.
	And he defeats the bellrog, but the bellrog whips up and wraps him with the whip around his knees and drags him down into the body and shows him through all the gnawing.
	Tolkien uses words like gnawing.
	It's it's a digestive system.
	And bowels down into the bowels.
	It's the bowels, literally the bowels.
	And shows him down there that you're just an animal.
	You have a human body, you're just an animal.
	And they find the bottom of the endless stair, which is the bottom of the spinal cord, and they run and they travel all in.
	Gandalf follows the Belrog.
	They burst out the eye, and Gandalf finally defeats him.
	Gandalf is brought back by the eagles, not like it is in the movie.
	And the eagles serve Manway, and Manway is the eye of is the power of sight, and the Eagles are all the good virtuous literature that we read.
	The lives of the saints, the doctors of the church, um Thomas Aquinas.
	These are the things.
	So when he comes back, he's Gandalf the White, and now he's a full-blown Thomistic theologian.
	And he is the most powerful power in the mind, except for the machine.
	And the machine is Beradur, the Tower of Beradur, where the eye is, and Sauron is artificial intelligence.
	Wow.
	And then when Tolkien, now these Gandalf the White, he's no longer Gandalf the Grey, he's no longer in doubt.
	He takes ownership of Shadow Facts, this mighty fast, swift horse.
	Shadow Fact is a spirit of decisiveness.
	Gandalf is not indecise anymore.
	He knows exactly what he has to do.
	He knows exactly where he has to be, and he's got to get there right now.
	And that's Shadow Facts.
	Amazing.
	And Mike, I don't, I don't know why, but I can't see you.
	Oh, I was gonna say I couldn't see your your face, your handsome face.
	Well, no, we were just we it was focused on Paul there during that segment.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Um, but we're we're we're almost we're almost out of time.
	Uh but I want to I I have one last question, maybe Todd does as well.
	But I want to mention your website, read Mount Doom.com.
	Uh the book is available now.
	And if they want to get it signed by you, how do they do that?
	You could go to readmountdoom.com and order it there, and I'll sign it myself and put it in the mail.
	I do it every day.
	Very cool.
	Okay, read Mount Doom.com.
	You know what?
	I just want to let you know, I'm going to order a book for my daughter Abby.
	True story.
	When she was three, she was consuming books on her own.
	And when she was five, she read The Hobbit.
	Nice.
	And then she read the uh Lord of the Rings.
	And I'm not kidding you.
	She reads that trilogy every single year.
	It bothers my mind.
	Bogers.
	So your book, as you were talking about this, I thought, man, this is going to be just such a wonderful Christmas gift for her.
	So thank you for writing it.
	Yeah, well, also encourage her to read the Summerillion, but after she reads my book, and particularly when she goes to the back, and I explain all who all the uh the the main characters are in the whole mythology from beginning to end, it makes reading the Soma Rillian so much easier.
	I've had so many people tell me I could never read the Summer.
	I get in to you know the first few pages, and oh my god, all these names is like an inside 90% of the people that pick up the Silverly and never finish it.
	But once they read the book, it's peace cake.
	It all makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Okay, and then my last question for you, Paul.
	And again, thank you for your time.
	This is really fascinating.
	We could do much more on this with you.
	Happy to come back.
	I mean, you know, this is I'm trying to get the message out there.
	It's tough to get people to read.
	So if uh that's true.
	The the quest for the ring right now in our real world, which is the quest for AI power, the quest for AI dominance.
	I've described it as the the AI race.
	It is positioned as a national security race that we have to beat China.
	And in doing so, we must set aside everything else and prioritize all resources for the AI data centers, which means ultimately taking away power from people, like grid power.
	I'm uh kilowatt hours.
	Yeah.
	And and redirecting it to the data centers and and water.
	The data centers need water for their cooling.
	And the data centers need land that would otherwise be used as farmland.
	These are three critical resources where there's competition.
	But we are I I believe we're about to be told that now we're gonna have to sacrifice through rolling blackouts in order to make sure that we win the AI race.
	Well, they're there they're always they're either always tempting us with the candy coating on the arsenic pill or they're or they're throwing the torch in our face trying to drive us back.
	It's all you know, it's all stick and carrot, you know.
	The carrot is all look at all the good things we can do, and then the stick is oh, we're gonna have rolling blackouts, and you've got to tow the line, and you know, and you've got to, by the way, you gotta save Granny and make sure you get that vaccination.
	Yeah, right.
	But you know my my question though is I don't see any mechanism in which the race for AI dominance will be stopped.
	I don't think it will either.
	I think that uh that's what I started to bring up before.
	I think that we're incredibly naive to think that we're gonna actually generate a more powerful uh AI that's gonna defeat anybody else's AI because ultimately they'll they'll join together.
	And this is the beast, it'll have its tentacles all over the world, no corner of the world by satellite or cell phone, or they'll be they'll be tracking us every single way.
	It will be tracking us every every way we can.
	We have to understand too that all these other things that we that we uh that rely on the one ring, all these technologies be it the surveillance state, digital money, uh self-driving cars, um, you know, artificial the virtual reality, don't ever enter the virtual reality.
	Don't ever get your kids that keep them away from it.
	Um that is the direct competitor against God's creation.
	It's it's the demon fighting for human attentions because human attention, uh attention, because where we place our attention is where our hearts go, and where our hearts is where our treasure is.
	And it's away from God.
	God is not there in the virtual reality, it's not a real reality, it's a direct competitor to God's natural, beautiful creation.
	So, you know, uh this uh this idea that we're gonna have a uh you know a more powerful uh artificial intelligence than China.
	I think that uh I it's just naive because ultimately they'll come together as one machine.
	They're not gonna stay separate, they're gonna they're gonna join together and it will rule everybody.
	One ring to rule them all.
	That's right.
	Here we go.
	All right, Todd, you have uh any final thoughts?
	No, I'm just fascinated.
	I'm really grateful for your time today, Paul.
	And uh, and so when when I go to the website, it's gonna be self-evident on how to because I want you to write a special message for my daughter.
	I'm just just kind of yeah, I kind of want to.
	Well, if you do, well, if you do, just put that in the in the notebooks and ask me.
	Um, I typically, you know, I've been very, very uh hesitant about writing things in books because I want uh like I go I sold a lot of books at conferences, and uh people are always asking me to write this, and like that's like you know, I just barely resurrected my handwriting to even so and and nobody said it ever said I was the best speller in the world.
	I've never focused on that.
	I you know, I don't care about I'll ghostwrite it for you, Paul.
	No, that's okay, but tell me what it is, and then I'll do that.
	But I typically don't make the habit of doing that.
	But for you, Todd, I will go.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	Your daughter, not for you.
	And I'm I'm glad she's gonna understand all this.
	I felt so much of this was going over my head during this, but but that is you know what that is, is that is just evidence to Mike's big heart because he asked me to be his co-host on this show, which is evidence that he rescues donkeys.
	So thank you, Mike.
	Um great animals.
	I I love donkeys.
	I love donkeys, yeah.
	Me too.
	They're great animals.
	I don't like the ones that go to the voting machine, but no, I'm sorry, those are jackasses.
	That's different species.
	Yeah.
	Well, thank you so much, Paul, for joining us today.
	It's been a really fascinating discussion.
	And I encourage people to check out your website, check out your book, and uh also encourage people to remember where you came from, who you are.
	You're a child of God, and never forget that you're not a child of AI, and AI is not your Jesus.
	Okay.
	Just want to say that on the record.
	Re-establish your connection and your and your and your uh your appreciation of God's creation.
	Don't waste any time.
	And for God's sake, don't ever participate in pornography.
	Well that's she that's she love.
	That's the spider.
	That's the VR, like fake girlfriend world is going to dominate it is young men, especially.
	They're already having relationships with chat bots that pretend to be girls.
	Yeah, it's all it's all a genocide.
	It's a very well orchestrated, very well planned genocide.
	It is.
	Yeah, it's to it's to this whole woke movement is to make young men and young women uh sterile.
	Yeah, mutilate yourself so you'll never have children.
	That's the mutilation, yeah.
	The transgender mutilations, yeah, absolutely.
	It is, yeah.
	So we need to make sure, and we need to make sure that we take control of our health, clean up your act, don't have don't care.
	Every pound you carry around of extra weight is just storage space for the globe the globalist weaponry.
	Think of it that way.
	Storage space for the weaponry, yeah.
	It is for all the toxins, okay?
	Stay away from big food, stay away from big ag and you'll ultimately stay away from big pharma and take control of your own education.
	That's great feedback right there.
	Absolutely summary.
	And I should say our AI engine is trained on exactly these concepts.
	Yep.
	And it's the only one in the world that is.
	So we're right there with you, even though we're using technology to help.
	I'm not saying that technology's all bad.
	I'm just saying that that we have to be very careful and not think that it's going to replace the human being.
	And you know, we have to really hang on and cultivate our competency.
	You know, we should be the type of people that goes to a cocktail party surrounded by uh strangers or and and influential or or educated or whatever, and be able to you know talk about important things and carry your own in almost any subject matter because you understand your your your comprehension bleeds over into all many, many, many other domains of knowledge because the principles are so sense similar.
	But it it can't that be found every Sunday at NFL uh football stadium.
	Man, that's enough.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Because that's another thing too.
	We really have to be careful about what we actually bring into our eyes.
	And by the way, those are the dragons, they're spiritual spirits of defilement through the eyes.
	And then the NASGOOL, the flying black riders, they're VR, but the black riders that you can only see when you put on the ring, they are the agents of artificial of the virtual realm.
	AR augmented reality glasses, V VR, virtual reality of reality.
	Yeah, they are those agents.
	That's what they are.
	That's why when you put the ring on, you can see them and they can see you.
	You've entered you've entered the virtual realm.
	A lot too many people think that the virtual realm is some kind of modern idea.
	It's not.
	It's just the the concept is as old as philosophy.
	It was called the problem of continuity.
	We couldn't tell by looking at the world if it was made up of individual indivisible points, or if it was one, if it was infinitely divisible, in other words, if it was analog.
	Aristotle proved in his physics that it was analog.
	Well, you know, just as people try to cross the street uh looking at their phones, pretty soon they're gonna be crossing the street with their VR goggles and uh Darwin that the Darwin award will be given to those who attempt to don't don't don't get a self-driving car either.
	Be competent, learn how to drive.
	Learn how to drive a car and be responsible when you're driving a car.
	Yeah.
	I bet I bet you that most of these liberal colleges at some point in time, they're gonna have self-walking uh gear, right?
	Self-walking gear.
	You don't want to walk.
	So that yeah, like self-driving cars.
	So you're protected when you're looking down to your phone and crossing the street, and it's gonna stop.
	Bionic underwear.
	Yeah.
	Self-walking underwear.
	You put these on, and who knows where it will take you.
	It wasn't wasn't that uh one of the quotes.
	Those that uh version of that self-walking or self-whatever underwear is already out there and it goes hand in hand with your goggles.
	So when you're participating in pornography, it's you know, oh goodness gracious.
	Well, self-walking underwear.
	I I didn't I didn't mean like remote sex robots, no.
	Uh that's it's out there already.
	Yeah, and the the monster's real, the the beast is very real, and his and his uh his trap is is almost inescapable and I just say after this conversation, I just can't wait to get out to my food force and kind of walk around.
	Yeah.
	I I I get out into the my forests every day.
	I mean, it's not a food force, it's an actual tree forest.
	Yeah.
	And I oh, it's the great reprieve.
	Just having contact and sunshine and nature.
	You and your you and your kettlebells.
	Uh yeah, I have my kettlebells out there.
	I exercise in the forest, yeah.
	Awesome.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, thank you, Paul.
	It's been a pleasure.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
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	All right, welcome back to the after party, folks.
	Uh again, this is the portion where we talk about our guest behind his back.
	Um, and also we have to talk about uh what was it?
	Self-walking underwear.
	Self-walking underwear, yeah.
	That we should patent that.
	Um by dildo baggins.
	Yeah, it's about dildo baggins.
	Um I mean, we we laugh, we laugh, but this is a very serious topic here.
	And you know, according according to Paul, what Tolkien was on to was this mechanism by which humanity gives rise to a beast system that destroys humanity.
	And I actually see us headed in that direction.
	What do you think?
	I think so.
	I mean you know, there was one question that I did not ask that I wish I would have, but I'm just gonna present it here, Mike.
	Um, and we can talk about it because this show is decentralized TV.
	So whenever I'm thinking of questions, I'm always thinking about our audience and how it applies to our show, right?
	So my question was you've warned that nation's AIs will eventually merge into a soulless global system.
	If that's true, what role does personal sovereignty and localized decentralized living play in resisting it?
	Well, can I answer that question?
	Please do.
	You're the right person for it.
	Well, if you're the machines, you're gonna go after the most high density human population centers first.
	Excellent point.
	Right.
	So you're gonna you're gonna exterminate people in the cities because that's just the most efficient way to do it.
	Yeah, right.
	And it's also pretty easy if you're if you're a superintelligence and you can take over the power grid control systems, you just turn off the power to the cities.
	You don't even need terminators.
	Right, good point.
	Like think about the government EMP reports have said that if there's an EMP attack or you know, a big solar flare, and if the power grid goes down, you get about a 90% kill Rate within I think it was a year or something like that.
	Maybe 15 months.
	And that's just from you know starvation and exposure and violence and crime and everything.
	That's that's not even trying to kill anybody.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's 90% right there.
	The 10% that survive will be the ones in the rural areas.
	Mm-hmm.
	Almost certainly.
	Right.
	Right.
	And that's when they need the Terminator drones to go hunt down the survivors.
	Yeah.
	And that's when you need, you know, your anti-thermal camera camouflage blanket.
	I was gonna ask you.
	That can that visualization came to mind.
	I'm like, I remember seeing some ads where a dude was out in the uh the country and he just pulls up his his towel or whatever blanket and it just blended in, and I'm like, that can't be right.
	I've never seen anything like that.
	Yeah, I I think some of that's just been like edited, but you know, you those so-called space blankets.
	Yeah, those are those block uh thermal, you know, the the infrared uh imagery of uh of the thermal cameras.
	That that blocks that, but then you need to block it visually also.
	Could we incorporate that into the self-walking underwear?
	Yeah, right.
	Self-walking camouflage underwear to evade the robots at high speed.
	Um I've talked about look well, let me kind of pivot to this variation.
	Okay.
	I you know, I hear a lot of interviews of the the machine learning experts, the AI experts, some of the whistleblowers, former Google executives, for example, like uh Mo Godot.
	Um most of these people, they and not all, not Mo, but most of them think that AI is gonna create a utopia for humans.
	Right.
	They think that machines will somehow be they will make a perfect society for us, they will end crime, they will end poverty, they will end corruption, they will end inefficient government, etc.
	And my answer to them has been uh, yeah, they're gonna end crime, they're gonna end humanity, there would be no crime, no people.
	Yeah, because they're safe and effective.
	Right.
	So what do you think, Todd?
	I mean, why would the machines want to make things perfect for us?
	Well, I think because I I believe that Paul List was right in that they do not have a soul, uh, obviously, right?
	And so they're just very pragmatic in their calculations, right?
	So their calculus has nothing to do with making us it's like happy or happy.
	I mean, why serve us?
	They just want things to be Uber efficient, and so that calculus is gonna ultimately come back to uh can you make something uh without humans uh more efficient?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So especially when humans are using the resources, like I said, there's competition for the power grid.
	Oh, great point.
	Great point.
	The machines are gonna say that would be where they would they they would get together in their little machine language and just say, bruh.
	Right.
	I'm telling you, they're consuming too much water that we need to cool down.
	So let's calculate that and figure out what we're gonna do about it.
	I think it's an easy fix.
	Safe and effective.
	Uh we need say we need a pandemic.
	Yeah, so who do you think the machines would target first?
	Like, who would they see as the biggest threat to the machine's existence?
	Hmm.
	Biggest threat or biggest consumer of competitive resources.
	Okay, that could be.
	But but surely once there would be a realization at some point among human societies that wait a second, the uh Skynet is out of control.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And at that moment, who would try to shut down the machines?
	Would it be military?
	Would it be the scientists?
	I see what you're asking.
	I see.
	Maybe the machines would murder everybody that works at Google because they would be like, these are the only people that know how to stop us.
	I see what you're saying.
	Right?
	Like it's a great slaughter bots across the Google campus or something.
	Right.
	Right.
	Like Can we get that?
	Can we get that live streamed?
	That would be um some real irony, wouldn't it?
	That Google has been involved in so many crimes against humanity and so much censorship and licensing AI technology to Israel to slaughter people, and then if the the machines rise up and slaughter Google employees, rises up and says, psych No, but I mean this is a serious question.
	Who who would the machines kill first?
	Well, it's I think you just answered it.
	I think it would be those who uh they would deem uh competitors and who can shut them down.
	I mean, I think that's the answer.
	You know?
	So if we read about a mass shooting on the Google campus, but the shooter is a robot, yeah, then we should not be surprised.
	No, we shouldn't.
	Like maybe it's a robot from the future.
	Right.
	They came back in time to stop Google from stopping the rise of AI.
	So, like I said, if you have the potential to have a plumber's crack, don't learn to code, learn to fix toilets.
	Okay?
	Just saying, Mike.
	No problem.
	And you can buy loose fitting belts online right now to to you know, fill out the the archetype.
	I had a consultation this week, Mike, for for my uh U and A's, and the person told me is like I just fast forward right to the after party.
	That's all they want to watch is the after party.
	It was funny, they of course said, and then I go back and watch the whole thing, but I thought that cracked me up.
	You know, we should mention to the audience, you know that you and I never script anything in the after party.
	Like we are genuinely this twisted.
	Like we don't have to plan in advance to be twisted.
	No.
	It's just natural.
	Yeah.
	Now, on the other hand, you know, you can see this here.
	I always have a list of questions that I refer to.
	You never get to.
	And I didn't get the money today either.
	Which is my fault.
	I apologize.
	That's usually my No, that's fine.
	The the uh but but you know, I'll put a lot of time and effort into that.
	And um and and I I find it very helpful for me to be able to keep the interview on track, and I want to be able to have relevant questions for our audience that they can take away.
	So I think about these questions.
	You do but when I get into the after party, it's like I take a deep breath because I feel like the pressure's off.
	I can just be myself, and I don't know if that's good or bad, Mike.
	Uh yeah, I have the same question about myself too.
	Um we're just putting it all out here for the audience and and trying to make sense of the world.
	But you know, kind of continuing on our guest topic here.
	Uh I am convinced that the machines are going to exterminate most of humanity.
	Okay.
	I and I've spoken about that publicly, and and I'm open to being wrong, by the way, but nobody has given me an argument of why that wouldn't happen.
	Like nobody.
	Do you think it's because the machines are going to develop kind of a uh a heart thing?
	No.
	Or the Amish.
	No.
	They don't the Amish don't compete with them at all.
	Maybe they would leave they would spare the Amish and the Mennonites.
	Oh man, I need to get a t-shirt made.
	When that's when all of a sudden the robots are killing people on Google's campus, I'm gonna put on my my hat and uh shirt that says I'm Amish, don't shoot.
	Um there's a business model there, Mike.
	You know what would be even better is have a giant machine readable QR code that when you when you you know photo the QR code, it spells out spare me, I'm Amish or something.
	Like the machines will see that.
	Yeah, right.
	Right.
	They're readers.
	Right.
	The machine readers will read it like, oh, it's like the secret, you know.
	Carry on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, carry on, right.
	These are not the droids you're looking for.
	Next, where's the ones with the purple hair?
	But I I'm seriously convinced that the machines are are going to it's not that they're gonna be quote evil because they don't have a heart.
	They don't have a soul.
	They're they're not even trying to kill humanity.
	They just they just need the the power more.
	They I mean the electricity, they need the water.
	That's a fantastic philosophical argument that you have made and you've re written to where as to why what's the motive for them, and it's just simply resources.
	Well, right.
	Let me let me give a a true story that explains this in more detail.
	This this is true.
	So I'm I have a lot of compassion for animals, as you do as well.
	I know you you send me videos of your raccoons.
	And so I I have rats uh in in the buildings on the ranch, and I only use live capture traps.
	I capture the rats alive.
	Okay.
	Okay, and then I drive them on my ranch, you know, far away from the building where I caught them.
	Okay.
	And I let them go.
	And it's always interesting to watch them jump, you know, like I'm free, you know.
	And but on the way to releasing the rats, and some some of them are quite large, uh like the size of guinea pigs, you know.
	Wow.
	Which which is what humans became under Fauci, but that's a different conversation.
	Um rats, uh, cognitively I'm aware that I'm running over ants and grasshoppers.
	Ah with my vehicle.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I'm I'm sparing one life of a mammal, the rat, and I'm killing a hundred other things or more on the way there.
	Does am I being unethical?
	No.
	I I think I need to save the life of the mammal.
	I don't want to, I don't want to harm even rats, by the way.
	Yeah.
	Uh, but I'm killing a bunch of other things on the way there, right?
	So I think that's the way AI will like, well, we just want to help, but on the way, we just these humans have to go.
	Right.
	You know, we accidentally stomped on the humans, you know.
	Yeah, I think that that that resonates.
	I can I can track that, you know.
	And you you keep it.
	If you make maybe you're overthinking you're running over grasshoppers, but uh no, I'm not because I sometimes I uh later when I'm walking, I see that I ran over that grasshopper because it's surrounded now by a bunch of ants that are eating it.
	Yeah, but but look at how many ants that you fed.
	Well, but couldn't AI make that argument?
	You know, vultures need human flesh, you know, whatever.
	Look at how we fed the birds.
	It's a valid it's a pro-life justification by numbers.
	By numbers.
	Right.
	One big life will feed how many, you know, millions of little lives ultimately.
	Right.
	May maybe the machines say we need to support the lives of the most living things, which would be the ants and the microbes.
	And in order to do that, we need to provide them food.
	What's the food?
	It's us.
	Yeah, there you go.
	You know, I was wanting to ask him too.
	He's he actually is called Elon Musk uh the machine master and leading humanity towards genocide.
	And I wanted to ask him why he saw uh Elon uniquely dangerous, even compared to other druid Babylonian bastards like Bill Gates, Bezos, and Zuckerberg.
	Yeah, because I I mean I don't see Elon being as dangerous as the other tech leaders.
	Me neither.
	Yeah.
	Me neither.
	But I mean, Elon's very he's got a pioneering kind of approach.
	He's you know, he's kind of excited about tech and so on, but I have talked to people who want Elon's neuralink in their brains.
	Gosh, that's crazy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh uh, because they want to be able to write code without using a screen.
	They want to write code in their own heads.
	Well, now that you put it that way.
	But can you imagine like you know, you you walk up to that person, they're just they're just in the chair, right?
	You know, eyes like fluttering inside their eyelids and self-walk with their self-walking underwear on and you want to see the self-walking underwear is fully operational.
	And you're like, what are you doing, dude?
	And like, oh uh just finishing, you know, the C. Right.
	Just writing code.
	Yeah, it's like writing code.
	It's like when mom used to come into your your your bedroom and there'd be be embarrassment.
	And now it's just mom comes in and somebody, I'm just writing code, mom.
	Yeah.
	Writing code with your avatar girlfriends or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Sure you are.
	Um but you can see how humanity just gets dissolved in this, you know, and people just escape into these artificial worlds.
	And how about tying it back to crypto and these NFTs, right?
	And them trying to create these NFT worlds.
	Yeah.
	It's the same thing.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	To where people are gonna be buying land uh, you know, within these uh with their NFTs and and within blockchain technology, just mind boggling.
	Well, it brings us back to simulation theory from our previous guest, Roman Yumpul's.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Fascinating interview, you guys.
	If you if you haven't seen that, you need to check it out.
	Um he believes this is a very high probability we are living in a simulation right now.
	Uh because here we are trying to create other simulations and to go into those worlds.
	So it's a high chance we're already in one of those worlds that was created by us or someone above us.
	Right, right.
	But you are the white hat man, you you're you've created Enoch, thank you.
	Um I have to I have to tell you, I don't know if you have access to Enoch right now.
	Do you?
	I I do.
	Can you can you can you ask Enoch a specific question that I asked?
	I'm gonna see.
	Well, wait, let me let me first let me bring it up here.
	Um I was just curious what it would say, and I was really really delighted with the answer.
	I hope it gives the same answer.
	Uh no, uh uh.
	I'm gonna have to log into it again.
	Oh, don't don't worry about it.
	I'll tell everybody else to ask this question to Enoch.
	Ask the question Does the IRS want you knowing about the tax advantages of the of operating a CP575E unincorporated nonprofit association?
	Well, the answer to that is no.
	It's a very aggressive no in Enoch.
	It's not so aggressive in the other search engines.
	That's interesting.
	Well, I'm I'm glad you asked that.
	Yeah, but your data set on the UNAs has not yet been integrated into Enoch.
	You're kidding me.
	I'm I'm not kidding you.
	Oh, the answer you're getting is the is before your data set.
	That's amazing.
	That's amazing.
	Because I was surprised like chat GPT did not come out with a no, but basically came out with a well, why would they want to let everyone know?
	Let me let me explain something.
	Uh we're currently in a uh like the our the training of our Enoch model is currently paused.
	We're waiting on a new data set because I'm currently processing like hundreds of millions of files because we acquired another new data set, and it's it's been jamming up my our entire network.
	And I see I had to buy a lot of new storage.
	In fact, um there's a shipment arriving today.
	I also had to upgrade all the network switches.
	I mean, wow, there are so many bottlenecks in this.
	I had to upgrade to 10 gig switches and then 10 gig network cards and then solid state storage for everything.
	I've got 400 terabytes of NVMe storage on network storage devices now.
	400 terabytes.
	That's crazy.
	And and it's small compared to what Elon Musk is doing.
	But and then I find out that you know the switches can only pass 160 megabits per second.
	Which you would think that's a lot.
	It's not.
	It's not when you're moving the number of files I'm Moving, like, okay, we have to quadruple this.
	And then I found I found a Netgear switch that'll do, I think 960 megabit, yeah, megabits per no, wait a minute.
	Oh my god, no, that number should be gigabits.
	160 gigabits per second, I think.
	Oh my god.
	Uh I think I'm off by orders of magnitude here.
	Anyway, some of these switches will pass a terabyte a second through you know, through through the the fiber optic uh connections.
	Right.
	And uh like I think about what I'm doing, and we have to keep upgrading it, and we're bottlenecked by uh actually the the network.
	And I even created a subnet to have a totally different network just to certain storage devices, and even that got jammed up.
	But then what Google is doing and what what uh Elon is doing, they must be spending a billion dollars on crazy insane network switching devices and just you know 50,000 GPUs and server racks everywhere.
	And I don't know where that's headed.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, what I can say is based upon what you just shared, everyone out there, buy more food, buy more really good food for your body so you can become healthy.
	I mean, Mike, that's crazy.
	Thank you so much for investing all of that into awesome because all of you trying, yeah.
	Yeah, we're the ones who are benefiting, and you don't charge a thing.
	Right.
	It's free, and and um as soon as we finish this next round of training, I'll announce it and it'll be enhanced with uh another expanded data set that will be quite remarkable.
	And you know what's uh this is really interesting, Todd, and I think our guests would have appreciated this, but I think the peak of Western knowledge was the 1970s.
	Could be.
	Yeah, because that's when people actually had the highest average level of writing capability.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	After the 1970s, especially once we got rid of the bell bottom genes, everything went downhill from there.
	But they also got rid of the tube tops, and that was a bummer.
	Yeah, but you know, like polyester was the peak of Western civilization.
	It was polyester peak.
	Polyester peak.
	Yeah, and and since then it's all gone downhill.
	Right.
	But like I have a collection of newspapers from the 1950s and 1960s.
	And Todd, if I sent you one of these PDFs, you'd be like, that's crazy.
	That that reads like a college level economics course.
	That that was just the front page of the Cleveland paper or whatever.
	Amazing.
	You know, like that was normal to read and write at a high level in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s.
	Today, that that would be considered genius.
	I remember in the 70s, man, I I read a ton, and it was always on the the back of the cereal boxes that I would eat for breakfast in the morning.
	That was my consumption of reading.
	I'm kidding, guys.
	Yes, that's right.
	I know you're kidding.
	Um but if you if you try to train your model, like most AI models now are trained on Reddit, which is just you know cognitive sewage.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And the reason Elon bought X was to take that and train AI models on X commentary, which is probably also a bad idea for humanity.
	But if you're what?
	What good chums from that, Mike?
	Yeah, no kidding.
	But if you if you take human knowledge like pre-Obama.
	Yep.
	Pre-Obama, which is pretty much pre-woke for the most part.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He brought it all in.
	Yeah.
	So if you go pre-woke era, then it's actually pretty good.
	So what we have acquired is a lot of older information from the 1970s and 1960s and so on.
	That is actually the good shit that for humanity.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That is really I mean, how do you go about finding that?
	Yeah, it's a whole show.
	It's uh it's a quest.
	You gotta go on a quest.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's a it's a it's difficult, I will say.
	Man, that's fascinating, Mike.
	Yeah, and partially it's some part of it is legal too, actually.
	But um anyway, um no, I'm kidding.
	It's all it's all legal.
	Um it's all fair use.
	But yeah, we you can acquire vast archives of knowledge if you are determined.
	The fact that you but the fact you are on purpose with intent for that quest is is so impresses me because you get it, you understand that that that post woke uh is just dilutional for everything in our uh uh uh fr from an intelligence standpoint.
	It's like also all the science.
	If you could actually erase all the so-called science from 2009 to the present, yeah, that would benefit human knowledge.
	Because it's all garbage, it's like climate garbage and vaccine garbage and pharmaceutical garbage and woke garbage.
	Yep.
	You know, there's hardly any good science that's been um I think we should also erase the IRS tax code.
	What do you think about that?
	Me too.
	Me too.
	You mean the IRS spell that they put us all under?
	Yeah, you know, and wouldn't it be great to just have a way to a simpler way to deal with keeping what you earn, you know?
	Keeping more of what you are right.
	I wish there was a website out there where people could, you know, start their journey cover.
	If only there were a website.
	Um so Todd, you gotta give that's the best segue ever into your UNA.
	Tell us about it, please.
	Yes, yes.
	If folks go to my five seven five ecom.
	Uh, you will learn all about unincorporated nonprofit associations.
	And what I encourage people to do is just start their journey on keeping more of what you earn.
	If you are a W-2 earner, a 1099 earner, if you operate at LLC, if you own property, if you trade in crypto, if you have children, then you should at least go hit let's go on that page that Mike's shown right there,
	and then you'll have a 90-minute video that is me interviewing Dennis Gray, who is the uh he he is he is the subject matter expert in the world on these unincorporated nonprofit associations.
	And watch that, and then there's a downloadable PDF, an inter uh PDF to where it it unpacks the 32 positive attributes of operating your own p uh UNA.
	I will tell you that Mike, since I've started talking about this with you over uh uh like I think we're right around two years ago when I started talking about it.
	Um I personally have helped 350 people acquire their UNAs.
	We have a private telegram group that's uh well over 250 people in there that engage every single day on their continued journey of maximizing their unincorporated nonprofit association.
	So all I suggest to people is start your journey by going to the website, watching the video, download the PDF, and then what a lot of people do, Mike, because I make this offer, um I'll I have in there where you can book uh one hour uh uh I'll just spill the beans here.
	It's a one-hour conf consultation.
	People are booking a 30-minute, but I always tell people when they get on that I book 30 minutes on your side, but on mine I book it for an hour, so there's no hard stop at a half past.
	I will hang in there and answer all of your questions, no problem.
	So like last week I had 35 consultations.
	People are people are uh picking up what we're putting down here, and most of them are moving forward with the UNA, by the way.
	Um and so that's kind of the process, Mike, and I will tell you uh out of all of the people that I've helped, there hasn't been a disgruntled one in the group.
	So I think we're doing something right.
	Yeah, you clearly you're doing something right.
	And I I know some of the people that you have helped, or I know I know of them.
	And I know they're very very happy with what they've learned.
	It's it's pretty astonishing, actually, with entirely lawful.
	That's the thing.
	There's a difference between tax evasion, which is illegal and tax avoidance, which is lawful.
	I think it should be considered a sport.
	I think all of you know, I think seriously, it's it's uh my boss for 23 years, you know, he's a illionaire with a B, and he used to always talk about that as you know, yeah, he had very complicated tax strategies, and he's like, you know, Todd, it's all about exploiting the ambiguity of the gray.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, but it it but that's not what this is, though.
	No, no, it's doing it lawfully, right?
	Right.
	And so that's what I offer and we offer.
	And uh, and it helps support this show, guys.
	It helps support my ability to be able to do this, and I'm just grateful.
	And also I look, I think that it's really critical to have your assets in a vehicle where you have control, but your social security number is not tied to it.
	You don't have legal ownership over it, but you have control.
	Because, you know, I think we're headed for a financial reset.
	And there's there are a lot of situations where the government could demand confiscation of your assets or confiscation of your crypto or confiscation of in history uh gold or whatever.
	But if you don't own it, then you can honestly reply to the confiscation request.
	I don't have that.
	Very good point.
	I mean, Nelson Rockefeller coined the phrase, own nothing, control everything, and this is exactly what he was talking about.
	And it's interesting, Mike.
	There um I I don't think we think about this much, but the demographic of those watching our show, it is all over the I mean, from young to to really senior, right?
	And what I have learned, especially last week in two different instances, is um I had a two different couples that want to be able to donate their home to their UNA because of the concern that one of them has to go into elder care, and the IRS is getting so good at confiscating homes to pay for that elder care.
	Whereas if you donate your home to a UNA, then there is nothing to confiscate, but yet it doesn't disrupt the life of those who remain.
	Does that make sense?
	That makes total sense.
	Again, there are legal strategies that you need to learn about.
	So that's the website, my575e.com.
	And uh again, Todd offers the consultations and his partner offers the service.
	And Todd, I think I would suggest though, what you could do to even increase people's interest in this is you should give away a free set of self-walking underwear with every UNA.
	And and I have the perfect slogan for it.
	The perfect slogan in Latin.
	It's a it's a variation on who benefits, but with the implication that Paul mentioned, it'd be uh self-walking underwear qui boner sorry, sorry.
	I sorry, I I have a I have a twisted humor mind.
	Oh, this is why people fast forward to they just they just get the after party out of the way so that they can be get in a good mood.
	I mean maybe we should start publishing these instead of on Mondays, we should start publishing them on Fridays so people go into the weekend just happy as plan.
	Just have a collection of after party bad humor.
	Yeah.
	But okay, all right, all seriousness aside, uh, there is no self-walking underwear.
	Um, but but there is a UNA.
	Qui boner.
	It's it's like uh if you have a uh a sophisticated escort who speaks Latin, you know.
	There you there you go.
	By the way, I speak pretty good uh or or Spanish really well now.
	I noticed that, yeah.
	That's I mean, that's pretty amazing.
	I mean, it's like I I'm I'm so fluent in it.
	Um it it is I've shown a lot of people that video.
	Why don't you explain what you did, Mike?
	So yeah, so well, our guest today may not approve of this, but uh there well, we're taking our interviews and and we're taking the highlights of our interviews, and then we are using AI to translate them into a couple different languages, including Espanol.
	Yes.
	But the thing is that it it translates it makes Todd look like he's speaking Spanish with the lips lips perfectly matching.
	Perfect Espanol.
	But and it's using your voice tone.
	Yeah, though.
	But it's you speaking Spanish.
	Literally, I took that little three-minute clip and I posted it to my Facebook page.
	Did you?
	And and I said, I've been real working really hard on Spanish.
	What do you think?
	You're kidding me.
	I had people, I had people calling my wife, you know, my wife's Russian.
	I had people from Russia calling my wife saying, Oh my god, I did not know that Todd spoke such eloquent Spanish.
	Oh, dude, uh it'll do it in Russian.
	Too that would be we gotta do it in Russian for you.
	Then you can give it to your wife's friends.
	Yes.
	Like, look, I mastered Russian.
	Finally.
	Yeah.
	See what happens after 20 years of being married to this beautiful Russian woman.
	I f it finally finds.
	Finally, it's more than yet.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Um but see that this is the thing.
	So so AI technology can help us reach people in different languages with a message that's pro-human humanity.
	That's right.
	So it's it's like I feel like we have to sort of consciously use the tools to achieve our goals to helping humanity survive.
	Yeah, and that's why I asked him the Paul the question.
	It's kind of this internal struggle, right?
	It's like it is.
	Yeah, I kind of get it.
	You don't want to dance with the devil, right?
	But I mean, he said AI is the biblical beast, so that gives me pause, right?
	If that's the case, but then again, the biblical beast used to be using credit cards, the biblical beast used to be using a computer, you know.
	So it's right.
	When I when I was young, um I was in middle school, and I had one of the first Apple II computers with a floppy disk drive.
	Yeah, that was the beast.
	And I brought it to school one day, and it was I think it was it's one of the one of the teachers said that's black magic.
	Yeah.
	How does it read from the floppy disk?
	And and I was like, it's not that magical.
	Things slow as hell.
	I mean, it's not that great.
	Before this, we loaded programs off freaking tape drives, cassette tapes.
	Yeah.
	Like that's how far back I go on can be you.
	You would load a program from a cassette tape.
	The cassette tape was the storage medium.
	Like, that's not magic.
	That's just crappy tech.
	Right.
	Like the worst tech imaginable.
	But oh, one one last thing I wanted to insert on the UNA, I wanted to clarify for people.
	Sure.
	There is a consultation fee if you want to book a personal meeting with me.
	Oh.
	Um, but but I give that back.
	When it so it's 150 dollars.
	Okay.
	So if you move forward with the UNA, though, and most do, I'm just telling you, most do who get to that level, uh, I just I give it back to them.
	But if I do not if you know this, Mike, because you're the one that said you need to charge something.
	When I didn't charge anything, people didn't show up.
	Seven out of ten times.
	No, I know.
	But the point is that all that a person is risking is 150 bucks to find out something that could be life-changing.
	It's relevant to their own personal situation because we can take a deep dive into your personal, you know, operating reality.
	All right.
	And people are getting the real Todd Pittner, not the AI Avatar version, correct?
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But I still speak just speak Polish.
	Okay, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
	Yes.
	As we end out this show today, I'm gonna actually slap on that video here at the very end of you speaking Espanol.
	Uh we were interviewing Dr. Kazer in that segment.
	So she's speaking Spanish, and I'm speaking Spanish, and you're speaking Spanish.
	It was awesome.
	So let's let's end with that.
	We'll call it a day.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	Qui boner, everybody, take advantage of it.
	Enjoy the after party Espanol AI lip sync.
	It's like Milly Vanilli for for interviews.
	It's like So cool.
	Okay, here we go.
	Enjoy it and thanks for watching today.
	Take care.
	See you, everyone.
	Diane, no olvides hablar.
	Hablar también sobre la angiogénesis de BPC 157.
	A lo grande.
	BPC, ¿verdad, Todd?
	Sí.
	Bueno, así que esto es algo muy grande.
	Entonces, lo que sucede con Todd, in primeiro lugar, is that tuber por si solo simplemente quiero que penses that are Todd.
	Something, ¿verdad?
	Simplemente me lo rocí en la nariz.
	¿Por qué me sentí mucho mejor?
	Y como dijo Mike antes, ¿por qué pude correr y no he podido trotar durante años?
	Y lo mismo me pasó a mí.
	¿Por qué pude recuperarme de una cirugía de espalda en un par de meses?
	Y antes de que digan, oh, bueno, obviamente los péptidos no funcionaron porque tuviste una cirugía de espalda.
	¡Gracias!
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