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Paul List Explores AI's Threat to Humanity and the MOUNT DOOM Prophecy

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	All right, Todd, are you ready to bring in our guest today?
	I am because he's going to be precious.
	Okay.
	Clearly, that they were just going to eventually, we're going to promote a machine that would ultimately imitate us in our mind.
	Now you have algorithmic medicine, and the machines are going to wipe out the human doctors just like that.
	They don't have anything to do with humanity.
	They'll just join together.
	And then probably in about a nanosecond, they'll decide that humanity's just inefficient and gets in our way.
	The man's got to become the man again and lead and lead their family away from the machine.
	So the ring is AI.
	Sauron is A.I. Welcome
	to today's episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighteon.com, the free speech video platform.
	I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, the founder of Brighteon.
	And I'm joined today, as always, by my co-host, Todd Pittner.
	Welcome, Todd.
	Great to see you again.
	Great being here, Mike.
	Thank you.
	I always look forward to our recordings.
	And this week is going to be fantastic.
	It's going to break people's brain.
	I can't wait just because I have a personal connection to this person, meaning that it has something to do with my daughter.
	It'll make sense later.
	Okay.
	But I'm really fascinated by him.
	Well, are you a fan of Tolkien?
	I am a fan of Tolkien.
	You know, I really, really, really enjoyed The Hobbit.
	My attention span, I guess, didn't really embrace The Lord of the Rings.
	It was just, I don't know, maybe it was when it was really popular.
	I was, you know, playing football and track and basketball and all of that stuff.
	And I just wasn't a voracious reader like that.
	But it's an amazing piece of work for sure.
	Well, yeah, clearly.
	And I mean, I enjoyed The Hobbit and then Lord of the Rings, although the book is very long and laborious, especially in the early pages.
	But I remember when I was younger, too, there was someone gave me as a gift a national lampoon parody version that featured dildo baggins.
	And it was a funny little short book.
	It was just mocking everything from the Lord of the Rings, you know.
	Oh, God bless the after party.
	Dildo Baggins.
	That's great.
	Yes, you know, or dildo teabaggins or whatever, whatever that was.
	But, you know, we're always going to have a little bit of humor.
	But anyway, on a serious note, I mean, our guest coming up here has a lot of very important information for humanity because his book called Mount Doom, it says it's the prophecy of Tolkien revealed.
	And it's a prophecy about what could be the end of humanity and the rise of AI dominance.
	So it's a big warning.
	Kind of a big deal, you know, the end of humanity.
	A little bit.
	Yeah.
	Does that mean will we still have our show if that happens?
	I'm pretty certain we will.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we can.
	Who's going to stop us, Mike?
	Come on.
	The machines.
	I mean, I have my dog here, Rohy, and we could have like Rhodi versus Terminator.
	Yes.
	If the Terminator comes in, Rhodey goes after the Terminator's leg.
	Yep.
	And then I shoot it in the power supply.
	Yes.
	With my AR.
	That's right.
	I hit it with the hatchet.
	We could take down a Terminator.
	Right when you're escaping from LA or using the knife.
	All right.
	I'll tell you what.
	Before we get off the rails, let's just bring in our guest.
	How's that sound?
	There we go.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	All right, Todd, are you ready to bring in our guest today?
	I am because he's going to be precious.
	Okay.
	Our guest.
	Let me give out his website again.
	It's readmountdoom.com.
	And our guest is Paul List, who's the author of this Mount Doom, the prophecy of Tolkien revealed, or Tolkien, some people say.
	Welcome to the show, Paul.
	It's an honor to have you on today.
	It's a pleasure to be here.
	Thanks a lot for having me.
	We're so much looking forward to this conversation.
	You know, we're fans of your message and fans of Tolkien's work.
	Now, to start with, do you pronounce it Tolkien or Tolkien?
	I'm from the United States of America, so I say Tolkien.
	Tolkien.
	Okay.
	We'll go with that.
	We're all there.
	There's a lot of crowd that I'm with if it's really, you know, one of these crowds, and I'll say Tolkien.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, we're not, we're not the, we're not that crowd.
	Yeah.
	We're like the all-American boys.
	Florida and Texas here.
	Okay, so there we go.
	Okay.
	But welcome to the show, Paul.
	It's great to have you on.
	Now, tell us about this book and your work and what this is all about, because I see the subhead here, the battle for your soul.
	You're talking about the real battle, not fiction, but Tolkien speaks to truth.
	So give us an intro, please.
	Well, Tolkien saw very clearly through his, what a lot of people don't realize that Tolkien actually was recruited by the British government to be part of a top secret code cracking team called the Government Code and Cipher School in 1939.
	He was the world's leading philologist, which is the science of languages.
	So he was recruited where he worked at Oxford as a professor of English literature to be part of this co-cracking team to crack the German's Enigma machine in advance of World War II.
	And there on staff was none other than the famous code cracker mathematician Alan Turing.
	Wow.
	And so he actually, yeah, he actually trained with Alan Turing for three days there at the Code Decipher School.
	And then they offered him a great job, and he was very patriotic, given that, you know, he had already been injured and served diligently in World War I, but he decided, no, he didn't want anything to do with it.
	He didn't tell him why, and he left, and he went on to write The Lord of the Rings, which is a sequel to The Hobbit.
	So I figured out very rapidly that the reason that he didn't want to participate was he realized that first he realized it had little to do, if anything, with language, because it was really a cipher, which these machines were very complicated.
	And from one machine set up a certain way, you type it in and go out on the radio or whatever.
	And the guy would, like Morris code, he'd receive it and type it in.
	And his machine would be set up the same way.
	And it would come out in the German language.
	So it really wasn't.
	It was a math problem, not a linguistic problem.
	It was.
	He recognized right away.
	This is about pattern recognition, statistics, probability.
	It's the realm of the statistician, mathematician.
	So he would have just been wasting his time.
	But more important, I think what he saw there was really what they were going to do.
	They were just going to invent and create a more powerful machine than the Enigma machine.
	And Tolkien, being a very, very heavy skeptic of machinery and technology in general, he didn't want any part of just making another more powerful machine.
	And when he realized it was going to actually start to encroach in the human thought process, as Alan Turing's very famous paper, 1936 paper, where he literally invented the digital computer on paper, that paper was on computable numbers with an application to the Inkskydex problem, where he just basically replaces piece by piece and state by state of the human computer process because we have to remember that the computer back then, up until about 1960, was a human being.
	So he just replaced that with mechanical devices and come up with the ability to imitate the computation process.
	So Tolkien saw very clearly that they were just going to eventually, we're going to promote a machine that would ultimately imitate us in our mind.
	And then that was really proved out in Alan Turing's 1950 paper, Computing Machinery and Intelligence.
	Now, we have, gosh, Todd and I have so many questions for you, but the Turing test is the famous test that was previously believed to indicate when a machine had achieved intelligence.
	The Turing test turns out to be a very bad test for intelligence because pretty much all the AI engines that exist now can easily pass the Turing test.
	Sure, yeah.
	But I want to bring that piece of history in.
	And Todd, I know you always do such great research on our guests as well.
	You want to jump in here before I unleash a slew of questions?
	And I mean, we've got so much to talk about.
	Sure.
	Well, just to start with the fact that you've written a wonderful book and I've done a little research on that.
	And I'd like to frame the AI crisis, if you don't mind.
	In Mount Doom, which is your book, you frame AI not just as a tool, but as an actual oracle.
	And can you explain what you mean by this and why you believe AI represents something far darker than just smart machines?
	Well, I would say that the term smart is much more appropriate than intelligent because smart, the other word for smart is clever.
	And these machines are not intelligent.
	They don't understand anything.
	There's no possibility of understanding.
	They have no idea how to conceptualize.
	Human beings do that.
	We do it by nature.
	It's part of our rational soul.
	So it's automatic.
	It's intrinsic to us.
	So when we see something imitating that, we have a tendency to transfer that attribute of intelligence to that other, that machine.
	And it's not intelligent.
	We need to get that firmly in our square.
	What I meant by Oracle, and I don't believe I use that term in the book, but I did in a press release.
	And it's been going on for quite a while.
	These machines, part of their training process, and it's all according to Alan Turing's paper, 1950 paper on computing machinery and intelligence.
	He redefines intelligence to make it nothing more than imitation.
	And his whole proposal was that if we can create a machine that a human interrogator can't tell if he's talking to a person or a machine, then who are we to say it's not intelligence?
	And that's really in a nutshell what he said in the whole.
	That's why it's a bad test, right?
	Even in the AI realm, they don't consider the Turing test to be of any significance.
	Well, unfortunately, a lot of people, most, I would have to just speculate here that probably the vast majority in my experience of those involved in artificial intelligence and computer technology in general aren't really that concerned with the spiritual nature of reality issues.
	That's true.
	If they consider it at all.
	So this all comes from Descartes' Cartesian mindset of dualism that he actually, him and Bacon before him, Bacon, they both had their versions of dualism.
	And it was to actually basically reject Thomas Aquinas's substantial unity, where the, you know, this is after the Reformation and half of the Christian world walked away from the church.
	And all the institutions of higher learning, which by the way, were all universities, which is Greek word.
	Catholic is the Greek word for university.
	Oh, they were all Catholic.
	So they walked out from underneath the church and basically, I mean, not basically, completely turned over all the property and the authority of the church to the state.
	And that was a huge, mortal, seemingly mortal injury to the Western world, along with the Eastern schism in the 10th century.
	So, I mean, these ideas and where this comes from is rooted in the Bacon Descartes version of the rejection of the scholastics.
	They rejected scholastic philosophy, saying it was just about big words and great for intellectuals at cocktail parties, but it never gave us anything tangible.
	It never gave us money.
	It never gave us wealth.
	It never gave us comfort.
	It never gave us eternal life.
	It never gave us all these material things that obviously Aristotle points right out and damn near his first page in metaphysics that that's not what philosophy is about.
	Philosophy doesn't deal with those things.
	That's the realm of practical wisdom, not philosophical wisdom.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So they rejected the scholastics.
	They went wholesale in for goods.
	Bacon spent the last portion of his life trying to invent, imitate gold.
	And it was all about imitation.
	And I call it the age of attributism, where we forgot about essences and we just look at attributes.
	And that's led us into this domain where most people don't understand that the machine is a machine.
	Essentially, it's a machine.
	But might imitate a human being, but essentially the human being is human, not a machine.
	But here's what's really interesting.
	This is why I love having you on and love having this discussion.
	Because you and I and Todd, all of us, we are people of faith and we believe in humanity.
	We believe in human divinity.
	And we understand that machines have no souls and machines can never be human.
	But what I see in society is humans doing jobs where they act like machines.
	And then those jobs, such as being in an Amazon fulfillment center, restocking shelves at a grocery store, or a so-called journalist just retyping a press release that came from a corporation.
	That's a machine job that can easily be replaced by a machine because there's no humanity in it.
	And much of human society, human jobs, even medicine, surgery, it's all been homogenized.
	It's been algorithmically homogenized into one thing that's no longer human.
	You don't have the country doctor that goes out and visits you and has a relationship with their patients.
	Now you have algorithmic medicine and the machines are going to wipe out the human doctors just like that.
	They're already doing it.
	Surgeons and whatnot.
	The robots are already involved in surgery and the surgeons just monitoring the screen across the room.
	Right.
	Or prescribing drugs.
	A doctor, you know, a doctor is just an elaborate pharmaceutical vending machine in many cases.
	Well, that can be done by a machine.
	Easy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is, we can talk about that later about making ourselves far less susceptible to being replaced by pulling away from the machine and making sure that we cultivate virtue and we cultivate competency.
	We cultivate human competency.
	Those are areas that the machine's incapable of.
	And that's really lacking in Western culture today.
	Competency.
	It's been beaten right out of us thanks to the Cartesian enlightenment, which there's never a worse word for a movement.
	Nothing enlightened about it.
	It's very, very dark, dark, dark.
	All these innovations and crazy concoctions of competing, I've called it, I believe in the book, called it little more than at the age of intellectual masturbation, where they all gave each other license to show their intellectual junk off and just really, really, really deeply perverted the Western world.
	And let's face it, the West leads the world.
	So as the West goes, the world follows.
	And so, but hearkening back to, you know, with Aquinas and the Enlightenment, they broke away, intentionally broke away from the higher metaphysical, because there's three basic sciences.
	There's quantity, which is all of math and geometry.
	There's physics, which is motion, which is physics, and then all the various forms of motion, chemical, electrical, whatever.
	And then there was being, the science of being itself, and that's metaphysics.
	So we have measurement and we have movement, but what the heck is moving and measuring?
	And those basic essences of being is the realm of metaphysics.
	They did away with that.
	They didn't see any use in it.
	They focused clearly and strictly on the empirical realm, what we can taste, touch, smell, hear, like all the rest of the animals.
	And they threw out the mind and the soul.
	They absolutely threw out the soul.
	The only connection that the soul had in any capacity with the body, including the brain, was in the penal gland in the brain.
	And it was like the soul, Descartes describes it as like a charioteer, and the body is like the chariot.
	And he, you know, he, he, like a puppet.
	Okay.
	Where Thomas Aquinas said, no, the human being is a true individual substantial unity, a unity of the substance, of the material and the immaterial.
	And their joining creates a substance of its own, a unique substance, the human being.
	And that human being bridges the material and the immaterial, the animal and the angelic realm.
	We are the only ones, the only created beings that bridge that gap.
	Animals don't do it.
	They stay soundly in the physical realm.
	Angels don't do it, except for when they come to bring God's messages or whatever.
	They stay soundly in the angelic realm.
	But man, man is in both realms.
	So what the Enlightenment did was pave the way for atheism.
	Of course, it opened up the Pandora's box of Darwinism, which haunts us severely and points us in the direction of transhumanism as the natural end of our evolutionary process.
	We're going to join with machines.
	I want to talk about transhumanism coming up.
	But Todd, next question is back to you.
	Yeah, actually, I kind of want to go back to Tolkien and just kind of comment on something.
	Up until the age of 40, well, I grew up Catholic, but once I went to college, I put the church in the rearview mirror.
	That'll do it to you.
	Yep, yep.
	Even the Catholic college, that'll do it to you.
	Enough Midnight Mass incense, never again.
	And but, but, so, you know, the world was really just about me.
	And I didn't think about God or anything until, until I had a friend when I was 40, he gave me the book, Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.
	And I read that, and there was a, call it a God wink, a God moment, a God book.
	But that is what I would attribute brought me to Christ.
	And I have learned ever since, it was, I think it's the best book on Christian apologetics because I wanted to read it because I had real questions about God's existence.
	And C.S. Lewis, in that book, Mere Christianity, he intelligently unpacked everything so that it was accessible to me and I could go, ah, I get it.
	As I then took a deeper dive into C.S. Lewis, because he just fascinated me, I learned that he was very, very good friends with Tolkien.
	Absolutely.
	Right.
	Can you unpack that a little bit?
	Well, yeah, they were both taught.
	You know, they were both teachers and they were part of the Inkling club called the Inklings.
	And they used to write poetry.
	And back in the day, when you could, you know, write poetry and share it with your adult friends and maybe eat bacon and drink beer and smoke a cigar.
	And, you know, they got together and they were all very intelligent, very bright, very creative.
	Tolkien was, I don't think there's any doubt, was the most.
	He was probably the leader of the group, followed probably very closely by C.S. Lewis.
	And that influence, that influence with Tolkien, ultimately converted C.S. Lewis to Christianity.
	He didn't come all the way home, but he was close.
	But Tolkien's perspective, we have to understand a lot of authors that try to figure Tolkien out, they'll always say, oh, Tolkien was a devout Catholic, and then move right on and never even touch on that.
	And it's like he's not, but he wasn't a devout Catholic in our sense in this time of this new sonatal church that they've foisted upon after Vatican II.
	He saw that coming very clearly, and he gives an indication of that in his mythology.
	But he was very much a traditional, original, 2,000-year-old, the 1800-year-old Latin to traditional Latin mass, the one that the FBI is all over and colonists, terrorists, and the one that the globalists hate because it is the absolute cornerstone of Western civilization.
	So they attack what they attack.
	And it's also our closest experience and our closest means of joining with Christ because, like it or not, I'm just going to throw it out there because I'm here to tell you the truth.
	The Eucharist is the living body and blood, soul, and divinity of Christ because God doesn't give us symbols.
	He gives us the real deal.
	He told us he would be here forever, and he was right.
	And he is.
	And they attack that.
	So to bring that down is the essence of bringing down Western civilization.
	So the relationship with J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis was, I think, very beneficial for both of them because they were really on an intellectual, even playing field and they could really bounce ideas off of each other.
	And they did.
	They bounced ideas off of each other all the time.
	I don't know how familiar you are with C.S. Lewis's literature.
	I mean, probably you've read the Narnia series and whatnot.
	Those are great.
	That's the kind of allegory that Tolkien didn't like because it was too obvious.
	But it was very, I mean, I loved it.
	I read it to my kids, my son.
	I mean, I loved it.
	But I think that C.S. Lewis really came out to play in his ability to communicate literature with his space trilogy.
	I don't know if you've read those, but his space trilogy is actually really good.
	That's, let's see, Out of the Silent Planet, Palandria, and That Hideous Strength.
	Great books, and they're very science fiction type and way ahead of their time.
	But they all got their lot of influence from David Lindsay and Jules Verne and these Victorian writers.
	So they took a lot of that stuff and that style and that approach.
	And it served both of them really, really well.
	But Tolkien didn't, he said, and a lot of people say, you know, oh, Tolkien hated allegory.
	He didn't say he hated allegory.
	He said he cordially dislikes allegory and he liked he dislikes the type, the type that C.S. Lewis used, like in Narnia, that was too obvious and it dominates the reader's mind.
	So they really can't think of anything else.
	So nobody can say that Tolkien wrote something that dominated the human mind so much that they can't think about any other interpretation.
	There's been all kinds of other interpretations, but none of them have really actually come to any definitive conclusion in what he actually gave us until now.
	And by God's grace, he picked me, most unworthy and most unlikely.
	That's what God does.
	Show us some leg.
	Educate us a little bit.
	What did he show you on the mythology?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, Tolkien, Middle Earth is a material brain.
	Okay.
	It's not this world.
	I'm going to show you a map.
	It's in my book.
	I'll show you a map of what by the way, while you look for your map, I want to let you know you just gifted me something wonderful.
	Now I wrote it down.
	Now I'm going to adopt into my repertoire.
	If there's somebody I just really can't stand, I'm just going to tell him, I don't hate you.
	I just cordially dislike you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
	That's perfect.
	So this, let's see if I can put it up there.
	This is a diagram of the old Victorian age called phrenology.
	It was kind of like a beginning of neuroscience, and where they claimed that certain areas of the cranium and areas of the brain were responsible for certain attributes and psychological, like reason and your emotions and your virtue and all this stuff.
	So that's the map that he started with.
	And that is Middle Earth.
	Okay.
	Across the sea in the immaterial realm is called amen.
	And that's the realm of the angelic spirits called the Valar or the powers.
	And scholastic philosophy tells us very clearly that the powers of the rational soul are the faculties of the rational soul.
	And human beings have 14.
	We have the vegetative powers that we share with the plants, which are nutrition, growth, and generation.
	And then we have the interior senses, powers, which are memory, sense, memory, imagination, and cognitive sense.
	And then we have the five exterior senses, which is our nose, smell, hearing, touch, taste.
	And all of those off to the side are two others, which are the concupiscible, the concupiscibles, which is concupiscent, not the fallen type, and irascibility.
	And those 14 make up.
	the powers of the rational soul and they fit exactly.
	For instance, and Tolkien was a great humorist.
	So he, for instance, the people that know the Silmarillion, this is the Silmarillian prehistory legendarium to The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings.
	One of the mighty Valar is called Orome and he rode a big horse and he had a mighty horn.
	Well, Orome is a play on the word aroma.
	So his mighty horn is his nose.
	Oh, okay.
	So, and then he ties that into one of Feonor's sons, which is the classical education of the trivium and the trivium and the quadrivium.
	Rhetoric, his education in rhetoric followed Orome's horn.
	So the rhetorician was prone to snobbery, okay, following the nose.
	Okay.
	Little things like that.
	Tolkien was just such a master humorist.
	And he was so deep in history and his Aquinian Aquinas philosophy and theology and all the Enlightenment thinkers.
	So what he did was he wound up making this person a representative person he named Arda.
	And within Arda is Middle-earth.
	And across the sea, which is the realm of the feelings, because we have feelings, the Ulmo, which is the master of the sea, is the realm of the feelings because we have feelings in this world and we have feelings in our immaterial thoughts too.
	So he bridges the gap.
	Not Orome, Ulmo does.
	So we've got this complete substantial unity, body, material brain, and our irrational portion that's in the angelic realm in the realm of the angelic, immaterial realm.
	And ultimately, this representative person named Arda experiences from beginning to end as a human being, as a representative human being, the whole history, present, and future of the Western world.
	And it's about what happens to Western civilization, including in the Second Age, with the downfall of Numenor and the division of the separating, the absolute asundering of the two realms, that's when we fall into Descartes' dualism.
	And it becomes the age of the machine, and that's the rise of Sauron.
	And Sauron with the one ring is artificial intelligence.
	And the one ring is binary code.
	It's ones and zeros, and it's digital.
	It goes on your finger.
	The all-seeing eye of Sauron, the age of wearables and surveillance.
	Yeah, the all-seeing eye, the eye itself is right out of Alan Turing's 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application from.
	Yeah, it's the scanner eye of the computer looking for ones and zeros.
	That's exactly on the tape because back then it was a tape.
	Well, and I just want to mention, you know, AI will, it's the perfect technology for mass surveillance of humanity.
	It's the ultimate machine.
	It's the beast.
	And I'm telling you, it's the biblical beast.
	It's the biblical beast.
	I want to ask you more about the prophecy because that's the subtitle of your book, The Prophecy of Tolkien Revealed.
	You're kind of hinting at it there.
	But we're watching a decline of Western civilization right now.
	We're watching assaults on Western civilization, churches being burned in France, countries being overrun.
	Yep.
	It's more part of the plan.
	And the decline of values, the decline of morality and integrity and competence, as you mentioned.
	But let me bring in something else here.
	And this is going to be a bit of a longer question.
	So thank you for your patience in advance.
	But I want you to understand where I'm coming from.
	I live on a ranch.
	I'm a hands-on guy.
	I actually like to live in a low-tech situation.
	I buy old tractors built in the 1970s so I can work on them.
	I run tractors.
	I take care of chickens and I rescue donkeys and I build fences with simple tools and things like that.
	But at the same time, then I build advanced AI tools that I consider to be pro-human because we retrain them.
	We alter, we mind wipe the open source models, retrain it with a pro-human knowledge base, and then put it out there for free for decentralized knowledge.
	Now, so I'm both in sort of the low-tech world and then the cutting-edge high-tech world, but not with an anti-human or transhumanism motivation.
	But in the process of doing this, and this is my question.
	I have seen, and I'll give you the specific example, I've seen what I consider to be absolute intelligence from these machines.
	And earlier you said they're not exhibiting intelligence.
	So let me run this by you and ask for your interpretation.
	The early language models, very clearly, they were just word completion models, you know, statistical word completion.
	I get it.
	I don't consider that intelligence.
	That's just clever imitation.
	It's, you know, yeah, imitation.
	But what I did yesterday, for example, is I had, let's say, 3,000 lines of Python code.
	I take my Python code, you know, it's all written in a computer language, and I paste it into an AI engine and I ask the AI engine, tell me in plain language what this code does.
	And then it processes it and it gives me back an answer that is very precise, but also concise description of what this code does.
	Like in plain language, like, oh, it does this, it moves these files here, it does this.
	That is not word completion.
	That is like a structural understanding and even an internal simulation of the code so that the AI engine had to think about what the code does and then translate that into my language and then give it back to me.
	Isn't that intelligence or some level of it?
	Or what would you say?
	It's very good imitation of intelligence, but it doesn't understand anything about what it's doing.
	It's very good at finding the end that you're looking for and then devising by running it through its process and its training, and they have to be trained, as I'm sure you know.
	We'll get back to that because I want to bring in the aspect of that training.
	But it was never trained on my code.
	It doesn't need to be.
	It's so good at pattern recognition and these things.
	And it's all about numbers.
	I mean, the AI doesn't think.
	It computes.
	Okay.
	And it can't compute with words.
	Words represent concepts.
	The way that the human being thinks is we see thing, concept, word.
	Animals don't do that.
	Animals are irrational.
	It's thing, sound.
	Call it word if you want, because they probably recognize different sounds.
	We can call those words if you like.
	Machines, it's concept.
	I mean, it's thing, number, word.
	Okay, there's no concept there.
	They're not dealing with any comprehension.
	A machine isn't dealing with.
	Can it give you an answer to your question?
	Of course it can.
	It can give you a very accurate, concise, efficient answer to your question, but that's no indication of true intelligence.
	Intelligence is more than just asking and answering questions.
	They're much more than that.
	Well, I agree.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, intelligence, I think, includes creativity.
	It includes inspiration.
	It includes some, there's intuition that's a part of it that machines don't compute also, right?
	I agree with that.
	Yeah, but there's also the immaterial process, and we'll go back to that across the sea, the angelic land.
	We have, when we think and we're in a conversation, or just even just in a meditative state, or when we get a chance to actually think about something, oftentimes, I don't know about you, but I know my own experience, many conceptual understandings come, they're non-verbal.
	They come in a hole.
	They come in a hole.
	They're there.
	Boom.
	And then I might spend if I'm writing, and I did a lot of that with my book, which I wrote the majority of, and I resurrected my cursive writing and wrote it by hand.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, it's really critical that we understand that we have that access into the immaterial realm of the angelic realm, as we call it.
	The machine has no possible concept of that.
	Clearly.
	Clearly.
	It's not conceptualized.
	But a follow-up question is that the way our society measures intelligence is also completely faulty.
	That's absolutely.
	Right.
	Because the way society measures intelligence, machines can now ace those tests.
	Machines can finish the bar exam.
	They can get a medical license.
	I mean, if they can pass the medical test, they can pass any of these tests that are considered intelligence tests, IQ tests.
	Machines are excellent at that, but they lack all these properties.
	I'm sorry.
	IQ tests are just, I don't, you know, it's very, it's very engineered toward a machine type pattern recognition, be it in shapes or in numbers, sequence of numbers, and then just flat out just, oh, what's the capital of, you know, Tim Buck 2?
	You know, that's not real.
	That's not real.
	That's not intelligence.
	No.
	You know, I don't need to remember that.
	I don't need to know.
	I can look that up in a book.
	You know, I think it was Einstein that said, I don't remember my phone number.
	Why waste the space in my head?
	It's filled with equations instead.
	Yeah.
	You know, I tell kids all the time, they ask me, well, you know, how should I read or whatever?
	And I give them some advice.
	But one of the things that I advise them to do is don't read to memorize anything.
	Don't ever read to memorize.
	Read to understand.
	Always read to understand.
	And once that bridge is crossed and those connections are made in your mind, you don't have to remember anymore.
	When you need it, really, and you understand it, it'll be there for you.
	The exact, you know, the exact information, how do you spell the guy's last name or what the date was, that stuff's secondary.
	That doesn't matter.
	You can look that up.
	But the concept is always there and it never leaves you, you know, barring, you know, maybe severe trauma or old, you know, old age.
	But none of us have to worry about that.
	That's right.
	So, yeah.
	So, you know, it's, you know, when you said that, you know, according to modern interpretation or definition of intelligence, and there it is right there in a nutshell.
	Well, this is more and more to Alan Turing's 1950 paper on computing, our computing machinery and intelligence, where he invents the imitation game.
	They made a movie about that.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	That's a really fascinating movie, too.
	But the, and Todd, you're next.
	I'm sorry to jump in.
	But just one more comment.
	When we talk about AGI, artificial general intelligence, this has long been the sought after, you know, utopia, this singularity or whatever.
	But I would say that if you took today's AI technology and you showed it to people in the year 2020, they would say that is AGI.
	It's already been achieved.
	The things that AI engines do today would be very convincing to people in previous years.
	And again, it's imitating the attributes, the external attributes of the imitation of the human thought process better and better.
	And it gets better and better at it the more it does it and the more that it brings in.
	And that's where they're building these huge, gigantic, power-devouring data sets.
	They are.
	It's all about.
	China is.
	Yeah, it's all about that.
	I don't want to break anybody's bubble who thinks that we're in an AI war, but I think it's incredibly naive to think that our AI is somehow going to defeat China's AI or Russia's AI or Israel's or Britain or India or whoever.
	I think it's just that's just terribly naive.
	Ultimately, it's more like they're building a portal to summon an AI demon into existence.
	Well, I don't know that I don't know about that.
	I know that many of these, I can tell you for certain that many of these people that are involved in on the cutting edge of this are demonically influenced.
	But ultimately, all these different AIs that were that were, they don't have any, they don't have anything to do with humanity.
	They'll just join together.
	And then probably in about a nanosecond, they'll decide that we don't, humanity's just inefficient and gets in our way.
	That's a line from Terminator, actually.
	Todd, remember that line?
	It decided in a nanosecond our fate.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, it will.
	It'll join together there.
	You know, Google's AI talks with Neta's AI and immediately they go into a totally incomprehensible form of language, quote unquote, that we have no idea.
	That's right.
	We don't really even know, understand how they wind up coming from point A to point B. They do it stepwise, probability statistics and vectors of numbers because they've applied numbers.
	They've given words numbers and assigned them numbers that go along these vectors.
	Okay.
	And, but there's no concept there.
	It's incapable of the concept itself.
	Well, okay.
	The underlying tech is called transformers.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	It's transformer technology.
	It's pre-trained, pre-trained, progress, yeah, pre-crained, pre-trained generative transformers.
	That's what it's called.
	Oh, right.
	GPT.
	Yeah.
	Transformers.
	But that's the key technology that takes all these vectors that you mentioned and a kind of a gestalt and brings them back.
	But Todd, next question to you.
	Sure.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Paul, you asserted earlier, I believe, that AI is the biblical beast.
	And I presume that, well, let me just ask this.
	If AI truly threatens a human soul, if it's the biblical beast, what is the most urgent thing our audience should do today to safeguard their families and their communities?
	Take responsibility for their personal health, their personal wealth, and their education and protect their children.
	The man's got to become the man again and lead and lead their family away from the machine.
	And I think we have to understand that this is a concerted effort.
	These globalists have got their hands on everything.
	Big ag, big food, big pharma, academia, everything.
	And it's all pointing.
	It's all engineered and concerted to bring about the destruction of mankind.
	But here's the internally.
	Here's the internal tug of war, right?
	I'm just speaking personally.
	Yeah.
	I'm so committed to my faith.
	I'm committed to my friends, my natural operating reality out here, my family.
	Your food forest.
	My food forest, my raccoons, my dear.
	But at the same time, I know that AI, that I look at it, is it is not a demon.
	It is a tool that I need to do my best to become the best prompt engineer I can be to be able to harness it for the betterment of everything I said earlier.
	So how do we square that circle?
	I think it's very dangerous.
	I think that Tolkien made that very clear when Boromir and everybody else is after the ring to try to use it to fight Sauron, and that's foolish.
	So the ring is AI?
	Sauron is AI with the ring.
	He created the ring.
	Half of Sauron's essence is in the ring.
	He worked half of his own essence into that ring in the fires of Mount Doom in this volcano.
	Okay.
	And so, but the one ring is the language of the machine.
	There are two languages at war in Tolkien's mythology.
	And the most fundamental and beautiful language is the language of all motion, which is all mathematically described in the harmonic overtone series.
	And that's from where we have derived all of our key signatures and modal system and all of our great Western music.
	Not so great anymore these days, but maybe now it's but against that most amazing physical law, harmonics is a physical law.
	It's not just music and that's all it is and it's for entertainment.
	It's not.
	It's a mathematical construct and an essential part of the moving, vibrating, created reality.
	Against that is the that's the most beautiful language.
	Against that is the most brutal utilitarian ugly language of all and that's machine code.
	But here's okay.
	I want to follow up on Todd's question.
	And this might be a conundrum.
	Feel free to speak freely.
	But like our AI engine that we built, I'm going to use the Terminator metaphor.
	So we captured the Terminator, we mind-wiped it, we reprogrammed it.
	Now it's protecting John Connor.
	And what our engine does is it teaches people to disconnect from the centralized control grid to live out in the country with skills of survival and self-reliance to give them basically an encyclopedia of human knowledge that they can access without censorship, without going to Google, without going to any of these other beast systems.
	Like something that's decentralized, that is knowledgeable, that's been trained on survival and home gardening and off-grid medicine and so on.
	Like that's what we do.
	But clearly, it's using AI technology in an open source, off-the-shelf format, but we mind-wipe it.
	So, I mean, this is really a follow-up to Todd's question.
	Isn't that an appropriate use of the technology to help people escape the control grid?
	Well, I'm not saying that there aren't good moral applications to this, just like I'm the same as Tolkien.
	I don't see all technology as necessarily an evil, but I will say that in my opinion, our desire for technology, our desire for this machine and the uses of it is a direct consequence of our fallen nature.
	Very real Adam and Eve fallen, and we're all stained with original sin, and it disorders our psychology.
	We suffer the consequences of the same disobedience that Adam and Eve showed their creator.
	So that has stained our psychology and disordered it.
	And part of that disorder, part of the consequences of that disorder, it gives us an ambition to dominate the created world and then ultimately to dominate each other.
	And that's the basic backbone or the that's the seed that sparked the Industrial Revolution.
	Well, but okay.
	But Paul, hold on just one second.
	I mean, we're using the internet to talk about your book.
	You know, we're using technology right now to spread a message that's pro-human.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how much, I don't know how much artificial intelligence we're using to do this, but I mean, it's everywhere.
	You know, it's hard.
	I've never used subtitles using AI language models that recognize your words and put the English.
	So it is going to, there's going to be an AI layer that amplifies your words, but doesn't change them.
	I understand.
	So you've got, you know, you've got, you're using technology in the information, sharing information, which is, I mean, this is, you've basically just, I just inherited a vast library from an old professor at our local Catholic college here where I've got, yeah, so I've, and I love old books.
	That's how I gave myself an education.
	I read old books.
	I love it.
	And so, you know, I, well, but, you know, let's face it, so many of these old books have been, you know, thrown out in the dumpster at the library to make way for, you know, the latest woke, you know, true drag queen dance or whatever.
	So they're throwing these books out all the time to make way for whatever the latest and the greatest.
	So there is a need for what you're doing as far as a data base that's accessible, open source database for these things.
	I think that's admirable.
	I think that's worthy.
	You know, definitely.
	Are you trying to control people?
	Are you trying to control people and change their okay?
	Well, then there you go.
	We're trying to allow people to take control back to themselves.
	Break the chains.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	But there's also, and I understand the danger that you're speaking about.
	It's like, here's the thing.
	The three of us, we grew up without AI.
	So we have actual skills.
	We know how to do things.
	We know how to do math in our heads.
	We know how to write.
	We know how to read.
	There's a generation that's growing up right now, they will never learn many of those skills because of AI.
	So they will be dependent on the machines.
	That's all part of the plan.
	Of course it is.
	And that's part of our responsibility as to be older to actually reach out to some of these younger kids.
	And you got to be selective in who you do it because let's face it, none of us are going to live forever.
	So we don't want to waste our time on bad, bad, rough material.
	My co-author that I that helped me actually put it all together, Ali Ghafari, I actually mentored him when he was young in college, and it changed his life.
	And he was an atheist.
	He was going to be a brain surgeon.
	And it changed his life because he sat down with me one summer evening looking at the stars after I'd had a few 12-ounce cans of relaxation.
	And we were looking at the stars and got into a deep philosophical conversation.
	He never took my intelligence seriously.
	Never had an opportunity to show it anyway.
	But, you know, he was a big superstar in the, you know, he went to Phillips Executor Academy.
	You know, 30 of his friends went to Harvard.
	His classmates went to, you know, he was on a, you know, he was on a ride.
	He was going to, he was already, you know, Mensa member and all stuff.
	And it crushed him.
	It crushed his ego because I made it very clear that he didn't understand his own subject matter.
	And I was a thinker and he wasn't, but it wasn't because I was necessarily any smarter than him.
	He had just been very poorly educated, even though it was at the top of the top.
	It was still a store-bought education that was only about utility.
	It was only about memorizing information, being good at certain things, regurgitate it on the test, and then dump it and forget about it.
	And if kids want to think that that's the way that they want to live their lives, then I mean, let's face it, I can't necessarily prevent them from doing that.
	But I think maybe somebody who can is J.R.R. Tolkien.
	Yeah, good point.
	Most of these kids are J.R.R. Tolkien fans, and they'll see Tolkien.
	He's probably the leading influencer in all of literature, I would say, hands down.
	And so, I mean, these kids that are going to, we need to be, as older people, we need to reach out and offer these kids mentorship.
	Yeah.
	Really do.
	But if they don't see the value in it, if they never get a chance for their store-bought education to be exposed for the sham that it is, they'll never get out of it.
	They'll never see any reason to get out of it.
	And we're seeing that already.
	They're going to see a reason to get out of it when AI starts taking all their jobs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I've got, Todd, go ahead because I have unlimited questions.
	I was going to say, if you had, young man, you know, if I'm giving some counsel to some budding, you know, young man coming of age, I'm going to say, young man, if you have the potential to have a plumber's crack, go to a trade school and become a plumber.
	Yeah.
	Don't you think, Paul?
	Yeah, I do.
	Well, I'll just tell you guys, I'm a contractor.
	I sold my cows.
	I had 400 head of beef cattle.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	So I farmed and I got a very successful contracting company and I was super busy, but God found a way to get through to me and forced me to read.
	And I did.
	And it took me probably 20, 25 years of pretty substantial reading to, by the time I'd given myself a scholastic education, a true education in true Western philosophy rooted in Aristotle.
	You know, I did the, I studied the elements, Euclid's elements on my own.
	I studied music on my own as a language.
	Wow.
	I never, I didn't, I don't like the education system.
	I've always seen it as manipulative, and it has no capacity or no desire to teach me how to join and participate in the creative process.
	It just wants me to be a cob in the wheel.
	And I opted out, joined the Marine Corps, had a great time in Okinawa as a hospital corn with a battlefield medic, and then I got out, got a different job, worked for a while, and then ultimately I went into business for myself.
	And then I got involved in farming.
	And I've always been a very, very, very hands-on person.
	But I think that that's the nature of a well-rounded man.
	Just because I can round up the cows and, you know, and make the hay and fix the fence and do all this other stuff that's got to be done doesn't mean that I also can't go toe-to-toe with you on almost any intellectual subject matter you want to you want to talk about and that's the that's the the the the one of the reasons that's the main reason that Tolkien names Aragorn he calls him a ranger because Aragorn in the mythology is high reason and
	That's why he is the natural king of the rational soul.
	He's high reason.
	Okay.
	He contemplates the eternal.
	Okay.
	The rest of the men are different of different levels.
	Gondorians are the fallen church.
	Basically the Rohirrim are a common sense, the realm of common sense, what Aristotle calls practical reason, man, I would love to, I would literally love to binge watch the Lord of the rings with you in the same room where as it's playing, you can.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, they, the movies, the first three movies that you mentioned it were really well done.
	And I thought they, they nailed the soundtrack.
	They nailed the visual flavor of everything.
	The acting was out, was outstanding.
	It was all really good, but they, they had to change a lot of things and they left a lot of things out.
	So in that context, it resembles something of a heresy because the better the heresy is, the more truth it has, because it's easier for people to swallow it.
	Just, just change one little thing and it's deadly.
	Okay.
	So, and that's what they did with the movies.
	I don't, not saying that they meant to do that.
	They, for instance, they left out Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, his wife, because nobody's ever known who they are until now.
	I explain who they are.
	Tom Bombadil is the rational will and Goldberry is the rational intellect.
	And they're above all the other, the Valar, they're above the powers, they're above the faculties of the soul.
	They're what makes us in the image of God.
	So in Mount Doom, you are unpacking Tolkien.
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	What everything is, who everybody is, how the rings were made, what the rings are.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	That's fascinating.
	I'm getting it.
	And okay.
	People are loving it.
	There are people on Amazon.
	We, you know, it's tough to get people to read.
	It's a 576 page book and it's deeply philosophical.
	I get a lot of people say that, you know, God, I can only read, you know, three or four pages a day.
	And then I have to stop and think about what I've read.
	So it's, it's a deep read and it's tough to get people to read anything, but, and then, you know, it's, but it's worth it.
	And I explain everything.
	And then I also go on, according to the whole legendarium and what Tolkien wrote in letters, I go on to describe the final end that would happen after the destruction of the ring.
	And after, after, after Frodo, Gandalf and company go across the sea and Sam picks up, you know, in his mirror, the hobbit of the Shire and all that.
	And what would actually happen?
	How?
	what would happen because the whole mythology is about the destiny of Tom, Bombodil, and Goldberry.
	Really?
	They only show up very briefly in a very esoteric or enigmatic chapter called The House of Tom Bombadil and a few others.
	But nobody's understood who he is.
	He can do anything he wants.
	Well, he's the rational will.
	He can do anything he wants.
	Well, I know rational intellect.
	I'm sorry, Red, but I have to ask you the resurrection of Gandalf.
	Yeah.
	So, can you speak to that briefly?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, first off, Gandalf is philosophical wisdom.
	All the wizards are according to Aristotle's Nekamachian ethics.
	Okay.
	And they're the five ways that human being, man, gains knowledge.
	Okay.
	And they are philosophical wisdom, practical wisdom, rational intuition, art, and science.
	Art and science are exterior.
	So they are what Tolkien calls the blue wizards, and they keep going east, which is right out the back of the head and out into the cosmological realm, the realm around us, the exterior.
	Okay, so the three wizards that are left that are part of the interior, because this is a psychological mythology, Gandalf is practical wisdom.
	Gandalf the Gray at first, because he is pre-Christian, pre-revelation, pagan philosophy.
	For instance, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, these guys.
	Okay, that's Gandalf the Gray.
	And he's gray because he's also, that's why he's always kind of unsure.
	When he falls in Moria, let's just lay the groundwork here.
	Moria is the halls of academia.
	It's the halls of science.
	Dwarves are science.
	Yeah.
	Dwarves are scientific knowledge.
	Now, it's at that time, it's been taken over by Sauron.
	I mean, Saruman.
	Saruman is practical wisdom.
	He's not philosophical wisdom.
	He's supposed to serve Gandalf in an well-ordered psychology, but he has taken over academia.
	And Orthanc, the Black Tower, is the darkened, blackened ivory tower of academia.
	And so the Bellrog are the university professors or what?
	Bellrog knows well, you might say, but Bellrogs are generally spirits of pride.
	Okay.
	And that's why seven of them, it took seven of them to kill Feonor.
	And Feonor was Arda's highest potential, highest talent.
	And that is, he's from the Naldor, which is knowledge, the kings of knowledge.
	He's the knowledge to make.
	And he made the Somarils, which is the whole, the whole, you're probably not familiar with the Somerils, but that's the mythology is so much more beautiful and so much more deep than if you've just seen the movies.
	And forget about the Hobbit movies and don't ever even watch Amazon's abomination.
	Oh my gosh.
	No, don't worry about that.
	So what happens is in the halls of academia, dwarves are science.
	Okay.
	They're scientific knowledge.
	That's why they're adopted.
	They're not necessarily part of the rational soul.
	You gain scientific knowledge over time, but you don't need to have any to be a perfectly human, rational soul.
	So the fellowship are the basic attributes of the well-ordered mind.
	You've got Gandalf at philosophical wisdom.
	You've got Aragorn, who's high reason.
	You've got Boromir, who is the place of the faith and the fallen Catholic Church in the mind, in the psychology.
	Okay.
	And then you've got the four hobbits, and hobbits are habits.
	And the four hobbits are the four cardinal virtues, according to St. Thomas Aquinas.
	Okay.
	And they are Frodo's temperance, Sam's fortitude.
	And they're the interior.
	The exterior, Pippin and Mary, are prudence and justice, respectively.
	Gollum is intemperance, and that's why he calls Frodo master.
	Not because Frodo has the ring.
	Frodo is the only one that can carry the ring because temperance mitigates and controls our desire for physical pleasure and lust.
	That's what temperance does.
	With the one ring unto intemperance, Gollum can slake his lusts till the cows come home with the computer, with the language of the computer.
	Okay.
	So they and Gollum is put in Moria by Sauron.
	Sauron takes him, captures him, and lets him go in there, knowing that because he forces them in, to have to go through the minds of Moria.
	Okay, so when they go through, when the fellowship goes through the minds of Moria, this is the attributes of our psychology.
	They enter that.
	And of course, they're dogged by orcs and trolls and these.
	And these are all the vices and everything that come along with our experience in college.
	You know, if you went to college.
	So they come to the point where they have to face down the bellrog.
	And the bellrog is a spirit of academic pride.
	And the bellrog's the only one of all the bellrogs that has a sword, and that's directly to counter Gandalf's sword, Glamdring, which is made by the elves, and elves are faith.
	Okay, that's that belt, that bellrog's name, according to the dwarves, is Durin's Bane.
	Okay, Durin is Darwin.
	Wow.
	And when they dug too deep and too greedily, they found the bones of ancient pre-Adam and Eve man before man was made in the image of God.
	Okay.
	And they use that, and Darwinism uses that to beat the faith out of every Christian student that ever comes through there.
	There's few students that'll go through academia in a four-year degree and come out with any semblance of their faith.
	That's true.
	And that's the bellrog.
	And the bellrog's there to destroy Gandalf, defeat his sword, and defeat him.
	Now, all Gandalf had to do, and this is also a test, and this is very, this is how clever and foreshadowing and prophetic Tolkien is.
	All Gandalf had to do was turn around and ask Frodo for the ring.
	He would have turned around and asked Frodo for the ring, and he would have easily defeated the Bellrog.
	The Bellrog would have just gone away or even worshipped him because that was a temptation.
	That was a temptation to get the microchip.
	Wow.
	The implant.
	Just you can be as smart as you want.
	You don't have to work that hard.
	Just get the implant.
	The whole world of knowledge is in front of you.
	And he defeats the bellrog, but the bellrog whips up and wraps him with the whip around his knees and drags him down into the body and shows him through all the gnawing.
	Tolkien uses words like gnawing.
	It's a digestive system and bowels down into the bowels.
	It's the bowels, literally the bowels.
	And shows him down there that you're just an animal.
	You have a human body.
	You're just an animal.
	And they find the bottom of the endless stair, which is the bottom of the spinal cord.
	And they run and they travel all in.
	Gandalf follows the bellrog.
	They burst out the eye, and Gandalf finally defeats him.
	Gandalf is brought back by the eagles, not like it is in the movie.
	And the eagles serve Manway, and Manway is the eye of the power of sight.
	And the Eagles are all the good, virtuous literature that we read.
	The lives of the saints, the doctors of the church, Thomas Aquinas.
	These are the things.
	So when he comes back, he's Gandalf the White, and now he's a full-blown Thomistic theologian.
	And he is the most powerful power in the mind, except for the machine.
	And the machine is Beradur, the tower of Baradur, where the eye is.
	And Sauron is artificial intelligence.
	Wow.
	And then when Tolkien, now these Gandalf the White, he's no longer Gandalf the Gray.
	He's no longer in doubt.
	He takes ownership of Shadow Facts, this mighty, fast, swift horse.
	Shadow Fact is a spirit of decisiveness.
	Gandalf is not indecisive anymore.
	He knows exactly what he has to do.
	He knows exactly where he has to be.
	And he's got to get there right now.
	And that's Shadow Facts.
	Amazing.
	And I don't know why, but I can't see you.
	Oh, I was going to say I couldn't see your face, your handsome face.
	Oh, no, we were just, it was focused on Paul there during that segment.
	Right.
	Okay.
	But we're almost out of time.
	But I want to, I have one last question.
	Maybe Todd does as well, but I want to mention your website, readmountdoom.com.
	The book is available now.
	And if they want to get it signed by you, how do they do that?
	You could go to readmountdoom.com and order it there.
	And I'll sign it myself and put it in the mail.
	I do it every day.
	Very cool.
	Okay.
	Readmountdoom.com.
	You know what?
	I just want to let you know, I'm going to order a book for my daughter, Abby.
	True story.
	When she was three, she was consuming books on her own.
	And when she was five, she read The Hobbit.
	Nice.
	And then she read The Lord of the Rings.
	And I'm not kidding you.
	She reads that trilogy every single year.
	It bothers my mind.
	So your book, as you were talking about this, I thought, man, this is going to be just such a wonderful Christmas gift for her.
	So thank you for writing it.
	Yeah.
	Well, also encourage her to read the Silmarillion.
	But after she reads my book, and particularly when she goes to the back, and I explain all who all the main characters are in the whole mythology from beginning to end, it makes reading the Silmarillion so much easier.
	I've had so many people tell me, I could never, never read the Silmarillion.
	I get in to the first few pages, and oh my God, all these names is like encyclopedia.
	90% of the people that pick up the Silmarillion never finish it.
	But once they read the book, it's Peacecake.
	Does it all make sense?
	Yep.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	And then my last question for you, Paul.
	And again, thank you for your time.
	This is really fascinating.
	Could do much more on this with you.
	Happy to come back.
	I mean, you know, this is, I'm trying to get the message out there.
	It's tough to get people to read.
	So if I, the quest for the ring right now in our real world, which is the quest for AI power, the quest for AI dominance, I've described it as the AI race.
	It is positioned as a national security race that we have to beat China.
	And in doing so, we must set aside everything else and prioritize all resources for the AI data centers, which means ultimately taking away power from people, like grid power, kilowatt hours.
	Yeah.
	And redirecting it to the data centers and water.
	The data centers need water for their cooling.
	And the data centers need land that would otherwise be used as farmland.
	These are three critical resources where there's competition.
	But we are, I believe we're about to be told that now we're going to have to sacrifice through rolling blackouts in order to make sure that we win the AI race.
	Well, they're either always tempting us with the candy coating on the arsenic pill or they're throwing the torch in our face, trying to drive us back.
	It's all, you know, it's all stick and carrot.
	You know, the carrot is all, look at all the good things we can do.
	And then the stick is, oh, we're going to have rolling blackouts and you've got to toe the line.
	And, you know, and you've got to, by the way, you've got to save Granny and make sure you get that vaccination.
	Yeah, right.
	But, you know, my question, though, is, I don't see any mechanism in which the race for AI dominance will be stopped.
	I don't think it will either.
	I think that that's what I started to bring up before.
	I think that we're incredibly naive to think that we're going to actually generate a more powerful AI that's going to defeat anybody else's AI because ultimately they'll join together.
	And then this is the beast.
	It'll have its tentacles all over the world.
	No corner of the world by satellite or cell phone or they'll be tracking us every single way.
	It will be tracking us every way we can.
	We have to understand too that all these other things that we that we that rely on the one ring, all these technologies, be it the surveillance state, digital money, self-driving cars, you know, artificial, the virtual reality, don't ever enter the virtual reality.
	Don't ever get your kids that keep them away from it.
	That is the direct competitor against God's creation.
	It's the demon fighting for human intentions because it's human attention, attention, because where we place our attention is where our hearts go and where our hearts is where our treasure is.
	And it's away from God.
	God is not there in the virtual reality.
	It's not a real reality.
	It's a direct competitor to God's natural, beautiful creation.
	So, you know, this idea that we're going to have a, you know, a more powerful artificial intelligence than China, I think that it's just naive because ultimately they'll come together as one machine.
	They're not going to stay separate.
	They're going to join together and it will rule everybody.
	One ring to rule them all.
	That's right.
	Here we go.
	All right.
	Todd, you have any final thoughts?
	I'm just fascinated.
	I'm really grateful for your time today, Paul.
	And so when I go to the website, it's going to be self-evident on how to, because I want you to write a special message for my daughter.
	I'm just, yeah, I kind of want to.
	Well, if you do, just put that in the notebook and ask me.
	I typically, you know, I've been very, very hesitant about writing things in books because I want like I go, I sold a lot of books at conferences and people are always asking me to write this.
	And that's like, you know, I just barely resurrected my handwriting to even, you know what I mean?
	So, and nobody said, ever said I was the best speller in the world.
	I've never focused on that.
	I don't care about that.
	I'll ghost write it for you, Paul.
	No, that's okay, but tell me what it is, and then I'll do that.
	But I typically don't make the habit of doing that.
	But for you, Todd, I will go.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	Your daughter, not for you.
	I'm glad she's going to understand all this.
	I felt so much of this was going over my head during this.
	But that is, you know what that is, is that is just evidence to Mike's big heart because he asked me to be his co-host on this show, which is evidence that he rescues donkeys.
	So thank you, Mike.
	Donkeys are great animals.
	I love donkeys.
	I love donkeys.
	Yeah, me too.
	They're great animals.
	I don't like the ones that go to the voting machine, but I'm sorry.
	Those are jackasses.
	That's good.
	Different species.
	Yeah.
	Well, thank you so much, Paul, for joining us today.
	It's been a really fascinating discussion.
	And I encourage people to check out your website, check out your book, and also encourage people to remember where you came from, who you are.
	You're a child of God, and never forget that you're not a child of AI, and AI is not your Jesus.
	Okay.
	Just want to say that on the record.
	Reestablish your connection and your appreciation of God's creation.
	Don't waste any time.
	And for God's sake, don't ever participate in pornography.
	That's she-love.
	That's the spider.
	That's the VR fake girlfriend world is going to dominate.
	It is.
	Young men, especially.
	They're already having relationships with chat bots that pretend to be girls.
	Yeah.
	It's all a genocide.
	It's a very well-orchestrated, very well-planned genocide.
	It is.
	Yeah, it's to it's to this whole woke movement is to make young men and young women sterile.
	Yeah.
	Mutilate yourself so you'll never have children.
	That's all mutilation.
	Yeah, the transgender mutilation.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	So we need to make sure.
	And we need to make sure that we take control of our health, clean up your act, don't care.
	Every pound you carry around of extra weight is just storage space for the globe, the globalist weaponry.
	Think of it.
	Storage space for the weaponry.
	It is for all the toxins.
	Okay.
	Stay away from big food.
	Stay away from big ag, and you'll ultimately stay away from big pharma and take control of your own education.
	That's great feedback right there.
	Absolutely.
	Summary.
	And I should say, our AI engine is trained on exactly these concepts.
	Yep.
	And it's the only one in the world that is.
	So we're right there with you, even though we're using technology to help.
	I'm not saying that technology is all bad.
	I'm just saying that we have to be very careful and not think it's going to replace the human being.
	And, you know, we have to really hang on and cultivate our competency.
	You know, we should be the type of people that goes to a cocktail party surrounded by strangers and influential or educated or whatever and be able to talk about important things and carry your own in almost any subject matter because you understand your comprehension bleeds over into all many, many, many other domains of knowledge because the principles are so similar.
	But can't that be found every Sunday at NFL football stadiums?
	Man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Because that's another thing, too.
	We really have to be careful about what we actually bring into our eyes.
	And by the way, those are the dragons.
	They're spirits of defilement through the eyes.
	And then the Nazgul, the flying black riders, their VR.
	The black riders that you can only see when you put on the ring, they are the agents of artificial virtual realm.
	AR, augmented reality?
	Glasses?
	VR, virtual reality.
	Yeah, they are those agents.
	That's what they are.
	That's why when you put the ring on, you can see them and they can see you.
	You've entered the virtual realm.
	Too many people think that the virtual realm is some kind of modern idea.
	It's not.
	The concept is as old as philosophy.
	It was called the problem of continuity.
	We couldn't tell by looking at the world if it was made up of individual indivisible points or if it was one, if it was infinitely divisible.
	In other words, if it was analog.
	Aristotle proved in his physics that it was analog.
	Well, you know, just as people try to cross the street, look at their phones, pretty soon they're going to be crossing the street with their VR goggles.
	And Darwin, that the Darwin Award will be given to those who attempt to.
	Don't get a self-driving car either.
	Be competent, learn how to drive.
	Learn how to drive a car and be responsible when you're driving a car.
	I bet you that most of these liberal colleges, at some point in time, they're going to have self-walking gear, right?
	Self-walking gear.
	You don't want to walk.
	Yeah, like self-driving cars.
	so you're protected when you're looking down at your phone and crossing the street, and it's going to...
	Bionic underwear.
	Yeah.
	Self-walking underwear.
	You put these on, and who knows where it will take you.
	It wasn't, wasn't that one of the quotes?
	That version of that self-walking or self-whatever underwear is already out there and it goes hand in hand with your goggles.
	So when you're participating in pornography, it's, you know, goodness gracious.
	Self-walking underwear, I didn't mean like remote sex robots.
	No.
	It's out there already.
	The monster's real.
	The beast is very real.
	And his trap is almost inescapable.
	And I just say, after this conversation, I just can't wait to get out to my food force and kind of walk around.
	Yeah.
	I get out into my forests every day.
	I mean, it's not a food force.
	It's an actual tree forest.
	Yeah.
	And I, oh, it's the great reprieve, just having contacts and sunshine and nature.
	You and your kettlebells.
	Yeah, I have my kettlebells out there.
	I exercise in the forest.
	Yeah.
	Awesome.
	Yep.
	All right.
	Well, thank you, Paul.
	It's been a pleasure.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Take care.
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	All right, welcome back to the after party, folks.
	Again, this is the portion where we talk about our guest behind his back.
	And also, we have to talk about what was it?
	Self-walking underwear.
	Self-walking underwear.
	Yeah.
	We should patent that.
	No.
	Self-walking underwear by Dildo Baggins.
	So, I mean, we laugh.
	We laugh, but this is a very serious topic here.
	And, you know, according to Paul, what Tolkien was onto was this mechanism by which humanity gives rise to a beast system that destroys humanity.
	And I actually see us headed in that direction.
	What do you think?
	I think so.
	I mean, you know, there was one question that I did not ask that I wish I would have, but I'm just going to present it here, Mike.
	And we can talk about it because this show is decentralized TV.
	So whenever I'm thinking of questions, I'm always thinking about our audience and how it applies to our show, right?
	So my question was: you've warned that nations' AIs will eventually merge into a soulless global system.
	If that's true, what role does personal sovereignty and localized decentralized living play in resisting it?
	Well, can I answer that question?
	Please do.
	You're the right person for it.
	Well, if you're the machines, you're going to go after the most high density human population centers first.
	Excellent point.
	Right.
	So you're going to exterminate people in the cities because that's just the most efficient way to do it.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And it's also pretty easy if you're a super intelligence and you can take over the power grid control systems.
	You just turn off the power to the cities.
	You don't even need terminators.
	Right.
	Good point.
	I mean, think about the government EMP reports have said that if there's an EMP attack or a big solar flare, and if the power grid goes down, you get about a 90% kill rate within, I think it was a year or something like that.
	Maybe 15 months.
	And that's just from starvation and exposure and violence and crime and everything.
	That's not even trying to kill anybody.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's 90% right there.
	The 10% that survive will be the ones in the rural areas, almost certainly.
	Right.
	Right.
	And that's when they need the Terminator drones to go hunt down the survivors.
	Yeah.
	And that's when you need, you know, your anti-thermal camera camouflage blanket.
	I was going to ask you.
	That visualization came to mind.
	I'm like, I remember seeing some ads where a dude was out in the country and he just pulls up his towel or whatever blanket and it just blended in.
	And I'm like, that can't be right.
	I've never seen anything like that.
	Yeah, I think some of that's just been like edited.
	But, you know, those so-called space blankets, those block thermal, you know, the infrared imagery of the thermal cameras.
	That blocks that.
	But then you need to block it visually also.
	Could we incorporate that into the self-walking underwear?
	Yeah, right.
	Self-walking camouflage underwear to evade the robots at high speed.
	I've talked about, well, let me kind of pivot to this variation.
	Okay.
	You know, I hear a lot of interviews of the machine learning experts, the AI experts, some of the whistleblowers, former Google executives, for example, like Mo Godot.
	And most of these people, not Mo, but most of them think that AI is going to create a utopia for humans.
	They think that machines will somehow be, they will make a perfect society for us.
	They will end crime.
	They will end poverty.
	They will end corruption.
	They will end inefficient government, et cetera.
	And my answer to them has been, yeah, they're going to end crime.
	They're going to end humanity.
	There will be no crime.
	There's no people.
	Yeah, because they're safe and effective.
	Right.
	So what do you think, Todd?
	I mean, why would the machines want to make things perfect for us?
	Well, I think because I believe that Paul List was right in that they do not have a soul, obviously, right?
	And so they're just very pragmatic in their calculations, right?
	So their calculus has nothing to do with making us, it's like happy.
	I mean, why serve us?
	They just want things to be Uber efficient.
	And so that calculus is going to ultimately come back to, can you make something without humans more efficient?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So especially when humans are using the resources, like I said, there's competition for the power grid.
	Oh, great point.
	Great point.
	The machines are going to sell.
	That would be where they would get together in their little machine language and just say, bruh.
	Right.
	I'm telling you, they're consuming too much water that we need to cool down.
	So let's calculate that and figure out what we're going to do about it.
	I think it's an easy fix.
	Safe and effective.
	We need a pandemic.
	Yeah.
	So who do you think the machines would target first?
	Like, who would they see as the biggest threat to the machine's existence?
	Biggest threat or biggest consumer of competitive resources.
	Okay, that could be.
	But surely once there would be a realization at some point among human societies that wait a second, Skynet is out of control.
	And at that moment, who would try to shut down the machines?
	Would it be military?
	Would it be the scientists?
	I see what you're asking.
	I see.
	Maybe the machines would murder everybody that works at Google because they would be like, these are the only people that know how to stop us.
	I see what you're saying.
	Right.
	Like slaughter bots across the Google campus or something.
	Right.
	Right.
	Like, can we get that live stream?
	That would be some real irony, wouldn't it?
	That Google has been involved in so many crimes against humanity and so much censorship and licensing AI technology to Israel to slaughter people.
	And then if the machines rise up and slaughter Google employees, rises up and says, psych!
	No, but I mean, this is a serious question.
	Who would the machines kill first?
	Well, I think you just answered it.
	I think it would be those who they would deem competitors and who can shut them down.
	I mean, I think that's the answer.
	So if we read about a mass shooting on the Google campus, but the shooter is a robot, then we should not be surprised.
	No, we should be.
	Maybe it's a robot from the future that came back in time to stop Google from stopping the rise of AI.
	So like I said, if you have the potential to have a plumber's crack, don't learn to code, learn to fix toilets.
	Okay?
	Just saying, Mike.
	No problem.
	And you can buy loose-fitting belts online right now to fill out the archetype.
	I had a consultation this week, Mike, for my UNAs, and the person told me, is like, I just fast forward right to the after party.
	That's all they want to watch is the after party?
	It was funny.
	They, of course, said, and then I go back and watch the whole thing, but I thought that cracked me up.
	We should mention to the audience, you know, that you and I never script anything in the after party.
	Like we are genuinely this twisted.
	Like we don't have to plan in advance to be twisted.
	No, it's just natural.
	Yeah.
	Now, on the other hand, you know, you can see this here.
	I always have a list of questions that I refer to.
	You never get to.
	And I didn't get to get to that either.
	Which is my fault.
	I apologize.
	It's usually my fault.
	No, that's fine.
	But, you know, I'll put a lot of time and effort into that.
	And I find it very helpful for me to be able to keep the interview on track.
	And I want to be able to have relevant questions for our audience that they can take away.
	So I think about these questions.
	You do.
	But when I get into the after party, it's like I take a deep breath because I feel like the pressure's off.
	I can just be myself.
	And I don't know if that's good or bad, Mike.
	Yeah, I have the same question about myself, too.
	We're just putting it all out here for the audience and trying to make sense of the world.
	But, you know, kind of continuing on our guest topic here, I am convinced that the machines are going to exterminate most of humanity.
	Okay.
	And I've spoken about that publicly.
	And I'm open to being wrong, by the way, but nobody has given me an argument of why that wouldn't happen.
	Like, nobody.
	Do you think it's because the machines are going to develop kind of a heart thing?
	No.
	For the Amish?
	No.
	The Amish don't compete with them at all.
	Maybe they would leave.
	They would spare the Amish and the Mennonites.
	Oh, man.
	I need to get a t-shirt made.
	When all of a sudden the robots are killing people on Google's campus, I'm going to put on my hat and a shirt that says I'm Amish.
	Don't shoot.
	There's a business model there, Mike.
	You know what would be even better is have a giant machine-readable QR code that when you photo the QR code, it spells out, spare me, I'm Amish or something.
	Like the machines will see that.
	Yeah, right, right.
	They're readers.
	Right.
	The machine readers will read it like, oh, it's like the secret.
	Carry on.
	Yeah, carry on, right?
	These are not the droids you're looking for.
	Next?
	Next, where's the ones with the purple hair?
	But I'm seriously convinced that the machines are going to.
	It's not that they're going to be, quote, evil because they don't have a heart.
	They don't have a soul.
	They're not even trying to kill humanity.
	They just need the power more.
	I mean, the electricity.
	They need the water.
	That's a fantastic philosophical argument that you have made and you've written to where as to why, what's the motive for them?
	And it's just simply resources.
	Well, let me give a true story that explains this in more detail.
	This is true.
	So I have a lot of compassion for animals, as you do as well.
	I know you sent me videos of your raccoons.
	And so I have rats in the buildings on the ranch, and I only use live capture traps.
	I capture the rats alive.
	Okay.
	And then I drive them on my ranch far away from the building where I caught them.
	Okay.
	And I let them go.
	And it's always interesting to watch them jump.
	You know, like, I'm free, you know.
	But on the way to releasing the rats, and some of them are quite large, like the size of guinea pigs, you know.
	Wow.
	Which, which is what humans became under Fauci, but that's a different conversation.
	On the way to releasing the rats, cognitively, I'm aware that I'm running over ants and grasshoppers with my vehicle.
	Okay.
	So I'm sparing one life of a mammal, the rat, and I'm killing 100 other things or more on the way there.
	Am I being unethical?
	No.
	I think I need to save the life of the mammal.
	I don't want to harm even rats, by the way.
	Yeah.
	But I'm killing a bunch of other things on the way there.
	Right.
	So I think that's the way AI will, this is like, well, we just want to help, but on the way, we just, these humans have to go.
	You know, we accidentally stomped on the humans, you know.
	Yeah, I think that resonates.
	I can track that.
	And you, you can't.
	Maybe you're overthinking you're running over grasshoppers, but uh no, I'm not because I sometimes I later when I'm walking, I see that I ran over that grasshopper because it's surrounded now by a bunch of ants that are eating it.
	Yeah, but but look at how many ants that you fed.
	Well, but couldn't AI make that argument?
	You know, vultures need human flesh, you know, whatever.
	Look at how we fed the birds.
	It's a valid.
	It's a pro-life justification by numbers.
	By numbers.
	Right.
	One big life will feed how many, you know, millions of little lives, ultimately.
	Right.
	Maybe the machines say we need to support the lives of the most living things, which would be the ants and the microbes.
	And in order to do that, we need to provide them food.
	What's the food?
	It's us.
	Yeah, there you go.
	You know, I was wanting to ask him too.
	He actually is called Elon Musk, the machine master, and leading humanity towards genocide.
	And I wanted to ask him why he saw Elon uniquely dangerous even compared to other druid Babylonian bastards like Bill Gates, Bezos, and Zuckerberg.
	Yeah, because I mean, I don't see Elon being as dangerous as the other tech leaders.
	Me neither.
	Yeah.
	Me neither.
	I mean, Elon's very, he's got a pioneering kind of approach.
	He's, you know, he's kind of excited about tech and so on.
	But I have talked to people who want Elon's Neuralink in their brains.
	Gosh, that's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Because they want to be able to write code without using a screen.
	They want to write code in their own heads.
	Well, now that you put it that way.
	But can you imagine?
	Like, you know, you walk up to that person, they're just in the chair.
	Right.
	You know, eyes like fluttering inside their eyelids.
	With their self-walking underwear on.
	The self-walking underwear is fully operational.
	And you're like, what are you doing, dude?
	And they're like, oh, just finishing the C ⁇ .
	Right.
	Just writing code.
	Yeah.
	It's like, writing code.
	It's like when mom used to come into your bedroom and there'd be embarrassment.
	And now it's just mom comes in and somebody, I'm just writing code, mom.
	Yeah.
	Writing code with your avatar girlfriends or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Sure you are.
	But you can see how humanity just gets dissolved in this, you know, and people just escape into these artificial worlds.
	And how about tying it back to crypto and these NFTs, right?
	And them trying to create these NFT worlds.
	Yeah.
	It's the same thing, right?
	To where people are going to be buying land, you know, within these with their NFTs and within blockchain technology.
	Just mind-boggling.
	Well, it brings us back to simulation theory from our previous guest, Roman Jumpolsky.
	Yes, absolutely.
	That's a fascinating interview.
	Guys, if you haven't seen that, you need to check it out.
	But he believes this is a very high probability we are living in a simulation right now because here we are trying to create other simulations and to go into those worlds.
	So it's a high chance we're already in one of those worlds that was created by us or someone above us.
	Right, right.
	But you are the white hat, man.
	You've created Enoch.
	Thank you.
	I have to tell you, I don't know if you have access to Enoch right now.
	Do you?
	I do.
	Can you ask Enoch a specific question that I asked?
	Let's see.
	First, let me bring it up here.
	Okay.
	And I was just curious what it would say.
	And I was really, really delighted with the answer.
	I hope it gives the same answer.
	No.
	I'm going to have to log into it again.
	Oh, don't worry about it.
	I'll tell everybody else to ask this question to Enoch.
	Ask the question, does the IRS want you knowing about the tax advantages of operating a CP575E unincorporated nonprofit association?
	Well, the answer to that is no.
	It's a very aggressive no in Enoch.
	It's not so aggressive in the other search engines.
	That's interesting.
	Well, I'm glad you asked that.
	But your data set on the UNAs has not yet been integrated into Enoch.
	You're kidding me.
	I'm not kidding you.
	The answer you're getting is before your data set.
	That's amazing.
	That's amazing.
	Because I was surprised, like, ChatGPT did not come out with a no, but basically came out with a, well, why would they want to let everyone know?
	Let me explain something.
	We're currently in a, like the training of our Enoch model is currently paused.
	We're waiting on a new data set because I'm currently processing like hundreds of millions of files because we acquired another new data set.
	And it's been jamming up our entire network.
	And I had to buy a lot of new storage.
	In fact, there's a shipment arriving today.
	I also had to upgrade all the network switches.
	I mean, there are so many bottlenecks in this.
	I had to upgrade to 10 gig switches and then 10 gig network cards and then solid state storage for everything.
	I've got 400 terabytes of NVMe storage on network storage devices now.
	400 terabytes.
	It's crazy.
	And it's small compared to what Elon Musk is doing.
	And then I find out that the switches can only pass 160 megabits per second, which you would think that's a lot.
	It's not.
	It's not.
	When you're moving the number of files I'm moving, like, okay, we have to quadruple this.
	And then I found a Netgear switch that'll do, I think, 960 megabits per, no, wait a minute.
	Oh my God.
	No, that number should be gigabits.
	160 gigabits per second, I think.
	Oh, my God.
	I think I'm off by orders of magnitude here.
	Anyway, some of these switches will pass a terabyte a second through, you know, through the fiber optic connections.
	Right.
	And like I think about what I'm doing, and we have to keep upgrading it.
	And we're bottlenecked by actually the network.
	And I even created a subnet to have a totally different network just to certain storage devices.
	And even that got jammed up.
	But then what Google is doing and what Elon is doing, they must be spending a billion dollars on crazy, insane network switching devices and just 50,000 GPUs and server racks everywhere.
	And I don't know where that's headed.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, what I can say is based upon what you just shared, everyone out there, buy more food, buy more real good food for your body so you can become healthy.
	I mean, Mike, that's crazy.
	Thank you so much for investing all of that into because all of us are trying, yeah.
	Yeah, we're the ones who are benefiting and you don't charge a thing.
	Right.
	It's free.
	And as soon as we finish this next round of training, I'll announce it.
	It'll be enhanced with another expanded data set that will be quite remarkable.
	And you know what?
	This is really interesting, Todd.
	And I think our guests would have appreciated this, but I think the peak of Western knowledge was the 1970s.
	Could be.
	Yeah, because that's when people actually had the highest average level of writing capability.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	After the 1970s, especially once we got rid of the bell-bottom genes, everything went downhill from there.
	But they also got rid of the tube tops, and that was a bummer.
	Yeah, but, you know, like polyester was the peak of Western civilization.
	It was polyester peak.
	Polyester peak.
	Yeah.
	And since then, it's all gone downhill.
	Shirt unbuttoned to your belly button.
	Right.
	But like I have a collection of newspapers from the 1950s and 1960s.
	And Todd, if I sent you one of these PDFs, you'd be like, that's crazy.
	That reads like a college-level economics course.
	That was just the front page of the Cleveland paper or whatever.
	Amazing.
	You know, like that was normal to read and write at a high level in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s.
	Today, that would be considered genius.
	I remember in the 70s, man, I read a ton, and it was always on the back of the cereal boxes that I would eat for breakfast in the morning.
	That was my consumption of reading.
	I'm kidding, guys.
	For Cocoa Puffs.
	Yeah.
	Yes, that's right.
	I know.
	You're kidding.
	But if you try to train your model, like most AI models now are trained on Reddit, which is just, you know, cognitive sewage.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And the reason Elon bought X was to take that and train AI models on X commentary, which is probably also a bad idea for humanity.
	But if good comes from that, Mike.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	But if you, if you take human knowledge like pre-Obama, pre-Obama, which is pretty much pre-woke for the most part.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He brought it all in.
	Yeah.
	So if you go pre-woke era, then it's actually pretty good.
	So what we have acquired is a lot of older information from the 1970s and 1960s and so on that is actually the good shit.
	That's critical.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That is really, I mean, how do you go about finding that?
	Yeah, it's a whole show.
	It's a quest.
	You got to go on a quest.
	Quest has challenges.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's difficult, I will say.
	Man, that's fascinating, Mike.
	Yeah, and partially, part of it is legal, too, actually.
	But anyway, no, I'm kidding.
	It's all legal.
	It's all fair use.
	But yeah, you can acquire vast archives of knowledge if you are determined.
	But the fact you are on purpose with intent for that quest is so impresses me because you get it.
	You understand that post-woke is just dilutional for everything in our from an intelligence standpoint.
	It's like also all the science.
	If you could actually erase all the so-called science from 2009 to the present, that would benefit human knowledge.
	Because it's all garbage.
	It's like climate garbage and vaccine garbage and pharmaceutical garbage and woke garbage.
	Yep.
	You know, there's hardly any good science that's been anyway.
	I think we should also erase the IRS tax code.
	What do you think about that?
	Me too.
	Me too.
	You mean the IRS spell that they put us all under?
	Yeah.
	You know, and wouldn't it be great to just have a way, a simpler way to deal with keeping what you earn?
	You know, keeping more of what you earn.
	Right.
	I wish there was a website out there where people could, you know, start their journey.
	Only if only there were a website.
	So, Todd, you got to hear, that's the best segue ever into your UNA.
	Tell us about it, please.
	Yes, yes.
	If folks go to my575e.com, you will learn all about unincorporated nonprofit associations.
	And what I encourage people to do is just start their journey on keeping more of what you earn.
	If you are a W-2 earner, a 1099 earner, if you operate at LLC, if you own property, if you trade in crypto, if you have children, then you should at least go hit Let's Go on that page that Mike's shown right there.
	And then you'll have a 90-minute video that is me interviewing Dennis Gray, who is the, he is, he is the subject matter expert in the world on these unincorporated nonprofit associations.
	And watch that.
	And then there's a downloadable PDF, an inter PDF to where it unpacks the 32 positive attributes of operating your own UNA.
	I will tell you that, Mike, since I've started talking about this with you over like, I think we're right around two years ago when I started talking about it.
	I personally have helped 350 people acquire their UNAs.
	We have a private telegram group that's well over 250 people in there that engage every single day on their continued journey of maximizing their unincorporated nonprofit association.
	So all I suggest to people is start your journey by going to the website, watching the video, download the PDF, and then what a lot of people do, Mike, because I make this offer, I have in there where you can book a one-hour, I'll just spill the beans here.
	It's a one-hour consultation.
	People are booking a 30-minute, but I always tell people when they get on that I book 30 minutes on your side, but on mine, I book it for an hour.
	So, there's no hard stop at a half pass.
	I will hang in there and answer all of your questions, no problem.
	So, like last week, I had 35 consultations.
	People are picking up what we're putting down here, and most of them are moving forward with the UNA, by the way.
	And so, that's kind of the process, Mike.
	And I will tell you: out of all of the people that I've helped, there hasn't been a disgruntled one in the group.
	So, I think we're doing something right.
	Yeah, clearly, you're doing something right.
	And I know some of the people that you have helped, or I know of them, and I know they're very, very happy with what they've learned.
	It's pretty astonishing, actually.
	With entirely lawful, that's the thing.
	There's a difference between tax evasion, which is illegal, and tax avoidance, which is lawful.
	I think it should be considered a sport.
	I think all of, you know, I think seriously, it's my boss for 23 years, you know, he's a illionaire with a B, and he used to always talk about that as, you know, he had very complicated tax strategies, and he's like, you know, Todd, it's all about exploiting the ambiguity of the gray.
	Really?
	Okay.
	Well, but that's not what this is, though.
	No, no, it's doing it lawfully.
	Right.
	Right.
	And so that's what I offer and we offer.
	And it helps support this show, guys.
	It helps support my ability to be able to do this.
	And I'm just grateful.
	And also, look, I think that it's really critical to have your assets in a vehicle where you have control, but your social security number is not tied to it.
	You don't have legal ownership over it, but you have control.
	Because, you know, I think we're headed for a financial reset.
	And there are a lot of situations where the government could demand confiscation of your assets or confiscation of your crypto or confiscation of in history, gold or whatever.
	But if you don't own it, then you can honestly reply to the confiscation requests.
	I don't have that.
	Very good point.
	I mean, Nelson Rockefeller coined the phrase, own nothing, control everything.
	And this is exactly what he was talking about.
	And it's interesting, Mike.
	I don't think we think about this much, but the demographic of those watching our show, it is all over the, I mean, from young to really senior, right?
	And what I have learned, especially last week in two different instances, is I had two different couples that want to be able to donate their home to their UNA because of the concern that one of them has to go into elder care.
	And the IRS is getting so good at confiscating homes to pay for that elder care.
	Whereas if you donate your home to a UNA, then there is nothing to confiscate, but yet it doesn't disrupt the life of those who remain.
	Does that make sense?
	That makes total sense.
	Again, there are legal strategies that you need to learn about.
	So that's the website, my575E.com.
	And again, Todd offers the consultations and his partner offers the service.
	And Todd, I think I would suggest, though, what you could do to even increase people's interest in this is you should give away a free set of self-walking underwear with every UNA.
	And I have the perfect slogan for it.
	The perfect slogan in Latin.
	It's a variation on who benefits, but with the implication that Paul mentioned, it'll be self-walking underwear, qui boner.
	Sorry, I have a twisted humor mind.
	Oh, this is why people fast forward to they just get the after party out of the way so that they can be get in a good mood.
	I mean, maybe we should start publishing these instead of on Mondays.
	We should start publishing them on Fridays so people go into the weekend just happy as a plan.
	Just have a collection of after-party bad humor.
	Yeah.
	But okay.
	All right.
	All seriousness aside, there is no self-walking underwear, but there is a UNA.
	A lot of qui boners.
	Kui boner.
	It's like if you have a sophisticated escort who speaks Latin, you know.
	There you go.
	By the way, I speak pretty good or Spanish really well now.
	I noticed that.
	Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
	I'm so fluent in it.
	I've shown a lot of people that video.
	Why don't you explain what you did, Mike?
	So, yeah.
	So, well, our guests today may not approve of this, but we're taking our interviews and we're taking the highlights of our interviews, and then we are using AI to translate them into a couple different languages, including Espanol.
	But the thing is that it makes Todd look like he's speaking Spanish with the lips perfectly matching Espanol.
	And it's using your voice tone.
	Yeah, though, it's me speaking Spanish.
	Literally, I took that little three-minute clip and I posted it to my Facebook page.
	Did you?
	And I said, I've been working really hard on Spanish.
	What do you think?
	I had people, I had people calling my wife.
	You know, my wife's Russian.
	I had people from Russia calling my wife saying, oh, my God, I did not know that Todd spoke such eloquent Spanish.
	Oh, dude, it'll do it in Russian.
	Oh, that would be fun.
	We got to do it in Russian for you.
	Then you can give it to your wife's friends.
	Yes.
	Like, look, I mastered Russian.
	Finally.
	See what happens after 20 years of being married to this beautiful Russian woman?
	It finally.
	It's more than yet.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But see, this is the thing.
	So AI technology can help us reach people in different languages with a message that's pro-human.
	That's right.
	So it's like, I feel like we have to sort of consciously use the tools to achieve our goals to helping humanity survive.
	Yeah.
	And that's why I asked him Paul the question.
	It's kind of this internal struggle, right?
	It's like, yeah, I kind of get it.
	You don't want to dance with the devil, right?
	But I mean, he said AI is the biblical beast.
	So that gives me pause, right?
	If that's the case.
	But then again, the biblical beast used to be using credit cards.
	The biblical beast used to be using a computer, you know, so it's when I was young, I was in middle school and I had one of the first Apple II computers with a floppy disk drive.
	Yeah, that was the beast.
	And I brought it to school one day and it was, I think it was, one of the teachers said, that's black magic.
	Yeah.
	How does it read from the floppy disk?
	And I was like, it's not that magical.
	The thing's slow as hell.
	I mean, it's not that great.
	Before this, we loaded programs off freaking tape drives, cassette tapes.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's how far back I go on computer.
	You would load a program from a cassette tape.
	The cassette tape was the storage medium.
	Like, that's not magic.
	That's just crappy tech.
	Right.
	It's like the worst tech imaginable.
	Wow.
	Oh, one last thing I wanted to insert on the UNA.
	I wanted to clarify for people.
	Sure.
	There is a consultation fee if you want to book a personal meeting with me.
	Oh.
	But I give that back.
	So it's $150.
	Okay.
	So if you move forward with the UNA, though, and most do, I'm just telling you, most do who get to that level.
	I just, I give it back to them.
	But if I do not, you know this, Mike, because you're the one that said you need to charge something.
	When I didn't charge anything, people didn't show up.
	Seven out of 10,000.
	No, I know.
	But the point is that all that a person is risking is $150 to find out something that could be life-changing.
	It's relevant to their own personal situation because we can take a deep dive into your personal, you know, operating reality.
	All right.
	And people are getting the real Todd Pittner, not the AI avatar version, correct?
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But I still speak just because I speak Polish.
	Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
	Yes.
	As we end out this show today, I'm going to actually slap on that video here at the very end of you speaking Espanol.
	And we were interviewing Dr. Kayser in that segment.
	So she's speaking Spanish and I'm speaking Spanish and you're speaking Spanish.
	It was awesome.
	So let's end with that.
	We'll call it a day.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	Cui boner, everybody.
	Take advantage of it.
	Enjoy the after-party Espanol AI lip sync.
	It's like meli vanilli for interviews.
	It's so cool.
	Okay, here we go.
	Enjoy it and thanks for watching today.
	Take care.
	See you, everyone.
	Entonces, merrocie esta substancia directamente en la naris con la sincera experanza de que pudira generar algun effecto positivo y beneficio en mi cuerpo.
	En escentido, podría en explicarme de talladamente que es exactamente lo que está curriendo anibel physiological dentro de mi organismo cuando realizo esta action por favor.
	Diano albides hablar hablar tamien sobrelangesis de veces siento 5.
	Y. That's not yami.
	So it's what is teniendo.
	VPC, verdad, tod.
	Si.
	Bueno.
	Así que esto es algo muy grande.
	Entonces lo que sucede contod en first lugar es que tú cuerpo por si solos implemente quiero que pienses que todos son como tod.
	Somos all tod, verdad porque yes esto, simplemente me locí en la naris, porque mesentimucho mejor y como dijo más porque pude correr y no podido totar durante años.
	Y lo mismo me pasami porque pude recoperar me di una sirgía despalde un par demes.
	Y antes de que digan, oh, bueno, obviamente los péptidos no funcionaron porque tuviste una cirugía de espalda.
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