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Sept. 15, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams Interviews Dr. Torsten Trey: Exposing Forced Organ Harvesting and DAFOH's Fight...
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And so what you are saying is that in China, they're they're farming human organ inventory.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's the government, the court system.
You can buy anything, a kidney organ or liver organ is just a commodity, and you can just pay for it together.
Powerful people, wealthy people can get organs.
Welcome to today's interview here on Brighton.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighton, and as you know, I have for years spoken out against uh organ harvesting and organ trafficking operations.
And our special guest today is the founder of an organization called Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting.
That's D-A-F-O-H.org.
If you want to check out the website, we'll show you some of it.
Uh our guest is the founder, uh, Dr. Torsten Trey, who joins us now to talk about this practice and why some people are being killed for their organs and how this violates uh all all the all the standards of you know ethics and humanity and medicine as well.
But uh welcome, Dr. Trey to the show today.
It's great to have you on as a guest.
Thank you, Mike, for having me.
Um I'm very glad to be here and share what I can share with your audience.
Well, thank you so much for taking the time to join us.
And and you and I have just met just now.
Uh this is the first time we've ever spoken.
Uh, and I'm I'm not familiar with your organization.
Um I'd love to learn more, but I just want you to know I have interviewed other experts in previous years about this very topic.
And uh I've talked about some books, uh I forgot the name, like Red Trade or something was one of the books uh about organ harvesting and organ trade.
But tell us about uh DAFO, DAFOH, Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting, and why you have made this your mission.
Yeah, uh I'm happy to do that.
So in 2006, uh I learned actually from uh article in the newspaper newspaper, the Epoch Times, that there was a uh whistleblower who who said uh that her um her ha uh her husband was a uh surgeon in China and he removed corneas, um eyes, corneas from 2,000 Falun Gong practitioners.
And at that time I thought, wow, that's that's impossible.
And um I I got interested in this.
I followed it.
And then um there was uh a few months later um a report by two Canadian investigators, David Ku or David Metters, they did phone calls to China pr pretending that they um needed a kidney, an organ.
And on the other side of the phone, on in the Chinese hospital, they said actually, yes, if we have we have only uh these organs, fresh organs.
Um they asked specifically if they have organs from Falun Gong practitioners because they are more healthy.
On the other side, they said, yes, our organs are only from uh uh this kind.
So uh at this time uh I got really alert and um I myself went to Boston and to the World Transplant Congress, and um I in the hope of talking to some surgeons from China, I did.
And exactly I found uh what I suspected there's an abundance of organs uh in China and they um they trans have a high number of transplants.
And that didn't make sense because they didn't have an organ donor program.
So when I asked one of them where the organs come from, he admitted to me the organs are coming from Falungong practitioners.
And at that time in the summer of 2006, I said, I have to do something.
Uh there's nobody around who who can do uh can you know what step up and every other doctors are usually busy.
So I decided I'm gonna start an NGO, doctors against for organ harvesting, and uh bring more people, more doctors together to inform the uh the medical community and the public.
That's that's really extraordinary.
Uh and may I ask where where are you based?
Or your organization?
We we have uh our headquarters in uh Washington, DC.
In Washington, D.C., okay.
All right.
So uh and also for our audience, I just want to mention Falung Gong is a peaceful, it's a Tai Chi kind of practice that involves both spiritual and physical movements for good health and longevity and spiritual awareness.
It's uh it's a practice I support.
It's a practice that is uh it's pursued by many people in Chinese culture.
And uh as our audience knows, uh I speak Chinese.
I I lived in Taiwan, I know the Chinese culture very well.
I used to see Falun Gong practitioners in the in the park uh on the mornings, early, very early morning.
They are the early risers of Chinese culture.
Um so what you are saying is that in China that there is a marketplace for uh I suppose uh kidnapping, uh otherwise taking Falun Gong practitioners and then harvesting their organs while they're living or killing them for their organs or both.
What is it?
So what what happened is in 1999 there were about a hundred million Falun Gong practitioners, and at that time the um the uh the chairman, the party leader Jiang Xi Min, he uh probably because of um jealousy or b because there were more practitioners than than members in the Communist Party, or because he uh uh found that uh they exposed actually the evil character of the CCP.
Anyhow overnight he banned uh Falun Gong and uh started a persecution against all these millions of people.
So they were detained and um in detention camps more probably more than a million uh practitioners and um for they were brainwashed, at times uh tortured.
Um and then also some uh the the rule was if they were um killed under torture, that would be counted as suicide.
They committed suicide.
So at one point, then they started probably to see that instead of just uh uh killing them or torturing them to death, they could actually make profit of it if they use their bodies as organ source.
And then they started to take blood, uh uh build up um a data bank of the blood types, the tissue types, they did ultrasound, um and and what we hear from uh regular criminal inmates is that the the uh only the these blood tests were only done on Falun Gong practitioners, not on the other inmates, the criminal inmates who really committed crimes.
So it was like a targeted bank.
And and um I remember that David Kilgore um he uh visited uh one of the patients who did who went to China for organ transplant, and that patient told him that the doctor he had like a chart, and then he went down the chart and made this this movement.
So this illustrates that they have a a data bank of all the inmate detained Falun Gong inmates, detainees, and then they can just uh when a patient comes, they just go to the data bank and say, okay, the prisoner in cell 501 that uh has this blood type, we can use him as a kidney or uh So they're they're they're farming human organ inventory.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And then do you say you ex you use the right word, you they farm.
And you you can only do that in a in a society where you have the all the infrastructure on your side.
So it's the government, the court system, the police, the p uh the the wards in the detention camp.
Like all of them, they are working together to farm.
You you would not be able to, you know, to raise such an organ farm, uh, for example, here in in the US.
Okay.
Okay, that's very disturbing information.
And I think it's well known in the United States that if you're a wealthy person or a connected person, you can get organs.
You can get tissue, you can get tendon pieces or whatever you need.
Uh famously, I think uh uh the former founder or CEO of Apple, Steve Jobs, when he had cancer, I think that he was placed at the top of a of a transplant list.
Uh that probably did not involve China, but uh there's there's a sense, and I'd like you to speak to this, there's a sense uh I would say it's sort of low-level awareness in America that powerful people, wealthy people can get organs.
Are those organs often coming from China in in your research?
It is it is true that basically you think this uh think uh think uh this way that the the heads of uh transplantation of uh transplantation centers, they are aware of this here in the US.
They are aware of uh the forced organ harvesting in China and they know that you can get a get a transplant organ within two weeks in China.
So when there are um uh wealthy people coming and to them and ask them, what can I do to get uh an organ in a fast pace, then I uh I would um I would think that some of them say, well, there's an option going to China.
And um this is not just like a theory, but I was actually uh told by uh consultant, doctor who who told me about um the um the head of um um hospital that I don't want to name here, but uh he he knew that the head of that uh transplant department referred wealthy people to China.
So there is there is uh there is this thinking of uh uh you can buy anything, a kidney organ or liver organ is just a commodity and you can just pay for it to get it.
Okay.
Um let me ask you a sensitive question.
And I know this isn't your area of focus, but uh one of my family members was I I would say they were organ-harvested in the United States uh died of a drug overdose, fentanyl, and was kept alive until uh the organs could be taken from that person and they were pronounced brain-dead, and then the organs were taken.
There's uh uh HHS Secretary RFK Jr. has recently raised the alarm over uh what I what I would call organ harvesting happening in the United States, but not in the same way that you're describing in China.
Can you speak to what are the differences?
Because clearly there is organ transplantation and organ extraction taking place in in America and in Europe, et cetera.
How is that different from what you're describing as happening in China, where there's more of an entire infrastructure for this?
Yeah, in in China you you think of this is an has become an industry, and we are talking about tens of thousands of transplants that are performed based on organs that are illegally criminally um harvested from prisoners of conscience.
I see.
And there's a whole infrastructure behind it.
So in it this happened over the past 20 plus years.
And I have noticed that um this effect that how China approaches the transplant field has undermined or eroded uh the ethical standards in the West too.
You think of it like a competition, like China can provide an organ within two weeks, and here in the US, it you need to wait five years for kidney.
So the there's like a the China is out-competing the transplant uh um field here in the US, if you want.
So in some cases, there might now be the situation where the doctors are desperate here in the US to provide organs, and then in single cases, they might um you know they they might shift the uh goal, the ethical goalpost to get to that organ faster.
And uh there it's like I I would call it it's a ripple effect of what China is doing, how China has uh how how China has aggressively approached this transplant field that uh doctors in the US are tempted to you know follow and uh get to those uh or uh donor organs faster and not in the right way.
Aaron Powell It might be also I'm sure this is a factor where uh people sort of like you go to a restaurant, you order a hamburger.
You don't want to know how that cow was killed.
You know, you don't want to, you don't want to see the slaughterhouse.
You don't want to have to kill the cow yourself.
It seems like a similar thing could happen in organ transplants where there might be a doctor in the US or some other country that's like, I really just don't want to know where this came from.
I want the organ to help this patient here.
Is that is that kind of in line with what you were just describing?
Or what would you add to that?
There is a bioethicist, uh Professor Arthur Kaplan, he basically stated that the doctor team that conducts the uh transplantation has to know where the organs come from.
It's basically part of their responsibility to um and also part of for transparency and the traceability of the organs, that the doctor team knows where the organs come from.
That that's an ethical, an ethical standard, an ethical guideline, if you want.
And those uh guidelines seem to you know erode over time.
So some people rather uh say don't think of the organ donor, but just think of the who's the recipient.
We have to um, you know, we need that organ to uh um perform the uh transplant surgery.
Well, right, and but that's isn't that also a conflict of interest where there's a lot of money in the transplant procedure and in the post-op uh the visitation, the anti-rejection drugs, the hospital visits, all of this can be billed to Medicare and insurance companies.
So there's a conflict of interest when you're speaking about bioethics.
One of the things that we've seen, obviously in in all forms of medicine, is that when there's money to be made, the ethics go out the window often.
Uh then it can be true that uh uh money is a factor, but um I would say in the in the case of doctors, it might be that the wish to help, the the wish to uh conduct the uh to perform the organ transplantation, that might be uh the reason to shift the goalpost.
It's not not necessarily because of the money, it's it's maybe in some cases because of the money, but uh they might uh rather be motivated by uh you know to motivated to shift the goalpost of ethics just to you know to provide this uh transplant surgery.
I understand.
Okay, all right.
Uh thank you for that answer.
Let me ask you about organ donation in the United States, and I I I suspect this might be a very contentious area, but because of the increased uh awareness of the practice of declaring patients to be brain dead, which does not have a rigorous basis in physiology.
It's kind of a made-up designation, um, at least in my opinion, but I'd love your answer, and it's okay if you disagree.
It's completely okay.
But because of that, I think that fewer people in America trust the American medical system to honor their wishes to be actually dead before the organs are taken.
And as a result, there might be fewer and fewer people who are organ donors.
Like, for example, I refuse to be an organ donor for this very reason because I know too much.
So, but then doesn't that create scarcity of the organs that then may cause a shift of demand to Chinese-derived organs?
So isn't this an intertwined issue?
Well, actually, the um America is a country that has the highest, uh, the largest number of uh registered organ donors, and it is it rather has increased.
I think there are right now more than 160 million um uh registered organ donors.
So it's um the the it uh um what you said is not really reflected in the numbers of the registered organ donors.
However, there um you mentioned the the word trust, and that's that's a key word in the organ transplantation.
You have to have trust uh that the organ was ethically provided, and also that that you get the um the medical treatment um to the to the point that they really want to save your life, not to get your organs.
So what happens in the in the medical field here is that they are under pressure to say where where they say, well, if the organ is fresh, it's uh um pro procure, freshly procured, it has a better survival time, it's better for the recipient.
Yes.
So it's it's it's kind of like uh uh almost like uh competition against the time where where you try to you have to wait for the procedure to determine the that death has occurred.
But then also you you want to rush for the benefit of the recipient.
It's it's a very tricky uh proceed uh uh time very tricky uh time management.
And it really depends on um the how the medical doctor in in charge, how he's rooted in the ethical field, I think.
Well but I have a follow-up question on that.
If you're saying that America has 160 million registered organ donors, why are we always told that there's a shortage of organs?
We're all we're constantly reminded of that by the medical establishment.
Yeah.
So uh what happened is uh not every registered organ donor will eventually become an eligible organ donor.
Yes.
And what what happened is that in many countries it's it's about like one percent of the people who deceive, one percent of the registered organ donors who decease are actually becoming eligible as organ donors.
So if you if you have this huge number, then at the end, it's actually um you you just have maybe 20,000 organ donors per year in in the US or less.
And um that that's a common phenomenon.
This one percent, one percent you have also see this in the UK, in France, and Canada.
But interestingly, in China, where the organ donor program is so small, um basically they claim that they can have uh organs from 12% of the uh registered organ donors.
And that also tells you they they they how they manipulate the data.
So either if the numbers are correct, that is um uh outstanding, but then the question is how how do they get to 12% if all other countries only have one percent?
So let me let me ask you in uh in a reputable country, you talk about the the 1% that become eligible organ donors.
Uh please describe to us uh obviously some of that is through accidents.
People have traffic accidents or motorcycle accidents or whatever.
What are the actual what what are the the things that happen that make people organ donors?
Yeah, well, um the the uh one one aspect are accidents, fatal accidents.
Um then uh other cases are uh where when people decease on the ICU uh with a heart heart arrest or um uh brain death after um after an accident, those are the typical uh ways to where where uh they become organ donors or um potential organ donors.
I see.
And don't forget um drug overdose.
I because I know that personally from my family.
Um but I'm told that that's a very big vector of young males, especially coming into uh the emergency rooms with drug overdose and that are then typically pronounced brain dead.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um then back to your organization.
Let me give out your website again.
DAFOH.org.
It's doctors against forced organ harvesting.
Um what does your organization seek to do?
Is it to provide uh uh diplomatic pressure onto China to change their practices?
Is it exposing that this is happening?
What what are your means of hoping to affect change?
So our main mission is basically to provide information to share uh objective findings with the medical community and the public, because as you as you probably know yourself and uh many members in your uh from your audience, many people have not heard about forced organ harvesting in on in on this industrial scale in China, because China spends billions of dollars to suppress uh the information in the mainstream media.
So we are basically swimming against this stream where where we want to break this silence and this cover up by talking and informing about this practice, which I for example do right now.
We are speaking on webinars, we have organized a world summit on this topic.
We have uh run a petition where we collected three million signatures, which is one of the largest civil uh petitions ever.
Um so we we use different ways to reach out to people and to inform them basically we we try to byp we we try to um achieve to inform people on a way that usually the newspaper how the how the newspaper should inform people.
Okay so so your number one mission is awareness right now awareness and then uh after the awareness comes to to stop the practice.
Okay.
How what what do you think would be a means of achieving that would it be international pressure on China's government or how might that even work?
Yeah so there are actually plenty of ways and uh the the the essence of this um what what can be done the essence of this is that China tries everything to to silence to quiet quiet down everyone who talks about it.
So that gives you exactly the what the answer what has to be done.
We have to uh we have to make people knowledgeable of this effect.
I give you an example where in 1989 when the student massacre occurred on the Tiananmen square then um everyone could see on camera how the Chinese government was killing 3000 about 3,000 students on on the place and that was horrifying.
What happened afterwards is that um many countries pulled out of China and then this this created an economic pressure on China.
So awareness can lead to actions and this action can be for example through economic means.
What we are doing now is the same think about it in on the Tiananmen Square there were only 3,000 students killed but we believe that uh through forced organ harvesting over 25 years probably more than a million Falunguong practitioners and others like Uyghurs, etc, they were killed for the organs one million.
So why was there this outcry after the Tiananmen square massacre but not forced organ harvesting the difference is that you had the footage right the footage immediately informed the people what was happening in China and this is what we are doing now we we we have to we don't have that footage but we can inform people through through our research and etc.
So we want to achieve basically the same level of information and um and and that is basically that that will trigger the next steps.
Aaron Powell let me ask you a pointed question I and I think I have a responsibility to to ask you from the other point of view how do we know that this isn't like CIA disinformation to try to discredit China now remember I I lived in Taiwan I I support the the I support Taiwanese people and I support the Chinese ethnicity as people and I support human dignity and I'm opposed to human suffering.
But I also know that the United States and Western governments are in an information war against China.
They are Constantly trying to discredit China and to economically weaken China.
Trump has threatened tariffs on China, tariffs that he has slapped on India.
And he says that China doesn't have a right to purchase oil from Russia, which seems like a very odd demand, and that he's going to punish China.
But China has grown into such an economic uh powerhouse with exporting critical rare earth minerals, for example, that China has a lot more leverage today than they did in 1989 with Tiananmen.
So Trump has backed off.
But how do we know that when you talk about the Uyghurs, for example?
I've never seen any videos of Uyghurs being tortured in organ harvested.
How do I know that's not just made up by the CIA that maybe Fed press releases to your organization?
I just got to ask.
Oh, sure, sure.
In terms of the Uyghurs, you're basically asking about evidence, right?
So in terms of the Uyghurs, we don't have that much evidence.
So there are some indications and there are from the past doctors who, in the Xinjiang province who harvested organs and they came to public and basically admitted it.
But we have, in terms of Falun Gong, we have an an abundance of evidence based on the number of witnesses that uh uh that were in detention camps and and basically um um they had different exp experiences.
So um in terms of evidence, when we talk to one aspect, one category.
Yeah, and you you have to think of this.
We there is not not a not a single silver bullet that has all the proof.
It's it doesn't come on a tablet.
So what we have to do is we we have to uh it's it's almost like a puzzle where you have to collect the little pieces of evidence and then put it together.
So one of these categories are witnesses.
Uh I hear that um from one who was detained for two years, they they blast blood tested that person ten times.
And there's no reason to uh take the blood ten times when the person is also subject to forced labor and torture.
There there are no health benefits.
Others reported that they uh uh they they received an ultrasound and x-ray and blood test, but there was uh actually nothing was done to the health.
Others uh said that they they uh they were detained, and then the the police guard at the in the hospital said um they wanted to take his blood, and he's he said that he didn't want them to take their blood, and the policeman asked why, and he he said the the in this case the Falong practitioner said um Um you do this to to harvest my organs.
And then the policeman said, yeah, this is exactly what we plan to do.
So there are some so plenty of um uh you know little stories of witnesses that if you bring them all together, you can see there's this intention to to harvest the organs from the Falun Gong practitioners.
But other pieces of evidence are just that, for example, annual transplant numbers, which um when you compare them with other countries had like a very obscure um you know cores of numbers that was going up like three by 300 percent,
and other people, sorry, other other countries only uh had like 50 percent increase over five years, and then um the organ donor numbers where China started a so-called organ donation program in 2013, and then they came up with uh uh they only had uh the the numbers, for example, on uh December 30, twin 2015, they increased by exactly 25,000, 25,000 exactly in one day.
So you you can see this was more like a desk job, not like real people behind these numbers.
I see.
And and uh so it was basically made up to uh appease the doctors in the West that they say, well, now we have an organ donation program, and that's how we get to our uh transplant numbers.
I see.
But actually they deceive it.
So if you take everything together, you get a very solid image of what is actually happening.
Okay.
All right.
Uh fair fair answer, and thank you for that.
And uh and again, the reason I wanted to have you on is because I I completely oppose obviously forced organ harvesting and organ trafficking.
And I I try to teach people to take care of their own organs first.
You know, the best way to not need a transplant is you know, don't use a bunch of recreational drugs and and abuse your liver with alcohol addiction, et cetera, right?
So I that should be the first step.
Keep you keep the organs you were born with healthier.
Let me ask you another obvious question.
I've seen this come up in debates about this subject.
If the US government were to try to pressure China over this, and I think some efforts have taken place over the years, you know, China's response would typically I think be, well, you have no right, USA to lecture us because you lack ethics.
I mean, you, America, you you have a weapons industry that makes bombs that ships them to the Middle East, and sometimes they bomb hospitals.
They bomb doctors.
So, you know, where is your medical ethics?
You you know, you make weapons that kill doctors and patients and children.
And then you how do you lecture us about our medical ethics?
How do you navigate that when the USA, the US government's policies are not ethical?
I think these are uh two two different places.
Well, one is a medical place, and that's uh for me as a medical doctor, this is appalling.
We have uh we we take an oath uh of um a medical oath, and uh that that includes doing no harm.
So if I see that uh a medical discipline like transplant medicine is abused to um, for example, to eradicate unwanted, undesired people uh in the Chinese society and then make profit of it, that is appalling for me as a doctor in my profession.
What you are saying with uh in the military field, I think that is uh a different field.
This is regarding if you want the ethics uh in the uh in the military uh discipline.
But it's gov it's the government.
So the the DoD is under the United States government, and if our government is pressuring China, China would obviously respond and say, well, your government has these other ethics violations in these other areas.
That that's that's what I'm trying to get at.
It's it's it's like it wouldn't it be easier for us to demand ethics of other countries if our own government had better ethics.
Of course, like everyone uh can improve ethics.
And and you you know, this is actually um this is here the problem.
If uh China um commits forced organ harvesting and thereby uh violates ethical standards uh and then gets an advantage of it.
Basically it gets an advantage in the transplant field, then uh it it has a ripple effect on other countries where they also say that, well, if they are cheating, if they are deceiving, then we can also do the same.
So it's it's it's like um why it it's a problem that uh if if uh one party tries to get um advantages, benefits by cheating, then um others uh you know say that like, oh, I I do this in uh the same in other fields.
That you know it's uh it's really like a ripple effect.
And the the answer to this, how to solve this is at one point you start uh to have a strong voice for ethics and speak up.
For example, there is now uh a Senate bill in the in the Senate uh a bill uh uh against forced organ harvesting.
It's the Senate Bill 817.
And that that bill that that says uh that um, for example, people who were involved in the forced organ harvesting in China, they don't get a visa.
Or uh it asks to um to decouple our transplant system here in the US from the Chinese transplant system.
Actually, this is something that the HHS after AFK Jr. just released uh I think yesterday or today, um then they uh they asked the transplant field to decouple uh from the Chinese transfund system.
So basically this is now in the Senate, and if your audience uh want to help, then um they can call their uh their senators and ask their senators to uh co-sponsor this bill.
What's the bill number again?
It's S817.
S817.
Okay.
And it also seems to me, you know, in terms of helping Americans protect their organs and not needing transplants.
That that, you know, for those who really need them, it can make them more available.
And it it strikes me, I've covered in the past the FDA has been very reluctant to recall dangerous drugs that cause permanent liver damage.
For example, resolin, which was a diabetes drug, uh the FDA kept it on the market for far too long.
Even when it was pulled off the market in the EU, the FDA kept it on the market because uh of its loyalty to the pharmaceutical uh companies to generate profits.
And all that, all that time it was causing at least 50,000 Americans to have liver failure.
So imagine like that kind of influx onto the transplant demand and also over-the-counter Tylenol.
You know, extreme liver damage when you combine it with alcohol or other pharmaceuticals.
And everybody's told to just pop Tylenol like it's candy, and it's not.
It's it's extremely toxic to the liver under certain with certain combinations.
So aren't there things that we can do in America to stop damaging our organs, you know, even at the government level?
You're absolutely right.
Um Medicine is not like an amusement park.
Medicine is not like a fitness practice or medicine is not meant to do all these uh you know, spare time activities, if you want.
Uh Tylenol has its function in certain uh medical incidents, but it is not meant to be like, as you said, like a daily candy.
In uh a few days ago, there was a conva there was a meeting uh at a military parade in in Beijing, and there was a conversation between Xi Jinping and uh the uh Russian president Putin.
Oh, the longevity comment, yeah.
Exactly.
And and one said, oh, but 70, you are actually young, and then the other said, like, yeah, if you have actually continuous transplants, then uh you can actually uh you can be immortal.
And then the other said, again, yeah, you can reach 150 years.
So this is basically transplant medicine is used as a you know, like a fitness instrument.
Right.
It's it's it's used to reach longevity longevity.
But that was not the intent.
The intent was uh to um you know to help people to uh cure an illness, to reach the basically let them reach their natural age.
It's not meant to um you know achieve longevity.
And you see the here you see a parallel how people abuse medicine, uh either Tylenol or transform medicine for longevity.
This is not what med medicine uh was meant to be for.
Well, I'm I'm so glad that you prioritize medical ethics.
I completely agree with you on that point.
And even though we're out of time for today, I'm I'm very happy to meet you.
And I want to uh mention your organization again, DAFOH.org is the website, Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting.
And Torsten, tell us tell our audience how they can help support your organization.
Oh well, the um there's a way to donate to our organization on our homepage, but uh I'm actually m I I always say that if you want to help us, just spread the word.
Talk to your doctors if they know about it, talk to your friends and neighbors.
Just uh we are really in in this um probo in in this in this field, just pro bono.
We don't want to make any profit or so.
We just want to stop this practice, and the the first step is to break the silence and to speak about it.
That's really that's really uh what's it about.
That that absolutely true.
And I and I'll say for myself and the show here, we absolutely denounce uh forced organ harvesting uh of any kind by any country, any culture whatsoever.
But then again, we denounce all forms of violence against human beings.
But uh sadly, we have a lot of uh things to choose from today when you know when it comes to violence being committed against humans.
But you and I are both on the same page about uh uh human compassion, valuing life, having those pro-human values.
So thank you for joining me.
Well, thank you for having me.
It's been a pleasure.
Uh, very nice to meet you, and thank you for all that you do.
And again, the website, folks, is dafoh.org.
Uh spread the word, help support the Senate bill.
Encourage your representatives in Congress to be aware of this, to call it out.
Uh we are not we are not opposed to voluntary organ donations.
We are opposed to involuntary or forced organ harvesting in all of its various forms all over the world, including including in China.
So thank you for joining me today.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, Brighton.com.
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