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Sept. 11, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Christopher Sullivan interviewed by Mike Adams on the collapsing fiat financial system and resilient
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Welcome to today's interview on, well, the financial demise of the dollar.
What's happening with the West?
What's happening with gold and silver, crypto, gold revaluation, and so much more.
My special guest today is Christopher Sullivan, who has been featured on our show, Decentralized TV.
He's with Hyperion Decimus or HyperionDecimus.com is the website.
Welcome, Christopher.
It's great to have you back on.
Yeah, thanks.
Great to be with you, Mike.
Thank you for joining me at such short notice, too.
I reached out to you because I feel like there's an emergency collapse in the dollar and France is burning.
Japan's just lost its prime minister and it's about to suffer an economic collapse.
Great Britain is about to suffer a debt collapse, might need an IMF bailout, etc.
And unsurprisingly, gold is hitting all-time record highs and silver keeps cranking.
What do you make?
Big picture.
You've got six months to talk about it.
You know, for someone who's been an asset manager for 20 years and then trading since I was 17, consuming voraciously data, data, data, data, I will say right now, the confluence of things swoshing around the system is not only difficult to track and keep up with, but it's like the quantity of it is insane.
And like you mentioned, not only do we have end number of debt bubbles all over the earth, we're already at the point of six Euro countries, Eurozone countries having discussions with the IMF about a bailout.
But I was like, wait, you guys are already financing it.
You've already lowered rates eight, nine times this cycle since raising them briefly in 22.
You know, we're just going to perpetuate this forever and never get an actual write down.
And, you know, it's, it's, everything's too big to fail.
And you've got companies out there, two to four trillion in market cap.
Shipping is all screwed.
It's literally, I mean, it's kind of amazing everything's still functioning, Mike, to be honest.
I mean, at least that's like a little bit of silver lining.
But a lot of things are not functioning, right?
I mean, I don't know if you travel much, but have you been to a U.S. airport recently versus airports anywhere else?
I mean, it's like a third world country.
My whole adult life, we've been waiting for an infrastructure bill, Mike.
And then, you know, with airports, you can bond them.
And then they can also have private investors like Blackstone did LaGuardia's update, right?
And so the facade and the building itself, great.
But then operations and staffing, not so great.
Yeah, I'm ashamed.
Orlando is kind of my local airport.
And every time I go through it, it's a travesty.
We're one of the busiest airports on earth.
Florida is flush with billions of cash reserves.
And this is what we're dealing with.
You know, it's embarrassing as a human being and it's despicable, but all of it is part and parcel to we're going to captivate you with fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
We're going to inconvenience you to piss you off and bring down your frequency, lower your consciousness and control you.
Like I put that and deception, mass deception, which brings us to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the jobs numbers.
So why is 900 plus thousand jobs the revision?
Tell us why that matters, Christopher, because I almost can't stop vomiting over that.
Let me give a little caveat, right?
So as an asset manager, macro is probably 85% what leads everything.
And so what does macro mean?
That means macroeconomic statistics.
Which ones have correlation, which ones have alpha?
For the majority, it's G20, and then you can break it into G7 data.
You want to upload, monitor, and weight the data points coming in on every macro point, whether that is mortgages, GDP, or in this case, jobs numbers.
So what kind of malpractice are we running as a U.S. government where we need constant revisions?
And then you're telling me the Delta is 911,000?
Like, not like a modest rounding error.
Well, but also some people would say secret code, 9-11, which is tomorrow as we're recording this.
You know, like, what's the deal with September 11th and 9-11, 911,000 jobs?
I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that it's a cult or anything, but it's weird when these numbers keep coming back.
I would argue that it's certainly not a coincidence because the probability of a number being round like 911,000 even is extraordinarily low in and of itself.
So without any overlay to our awareness as students of history, that the whatever you want to call them, the cabal, the globalists, they love their numerology.
They love their symbology because in effect, they have to get your implicit permission before they roll out whatever agenda they're rolling out.
So yes, that did have a little bit of eerie, whoa, that's ironic, 9-11.
And then the fact that these are always even numbers tell you they're complete bullshit anyways.
Right.
Right.
But, I mean, also the size of this adjustment tells you that we've been living in a fake economy.
And all of the top economic decisions from this president and the previous one have been based on just absolute theater.
Right.
I mean, how would you describe it?
Yeah, it's in some cases, I'll mention kind of both angles.
In some cases, when you're appraising it, you kind of can't blame them when you're faced with the depths of how bad this can get and how fast it can get if you're not perpetuating the charade and falling victim to playing parts in a theater, which is arguably what all of them are doing.
I really think that if, let's say, you and I had to go run it, we're probably going to be like, all right, let's just default and we'll start over.
We'll just deal with the short-term pain.
But a lot of people can't handle that 41ks, IRAs, pension, like everything's off instantaneously.
And so they've got to basically seduce and or medicate the public into just not being aware.
And especially both professional investor class and family office high-net worth investors, most of those are conscious of it, but still play along anyways.
Well, right.
I understand what you're saying, but when the economy is so bad that you have to weave illusions to keep the faith alive, it's like, well, the emperor has no clothes here.
Yeah, already you've lost the game.
Yeah, you've lost it.
The only green shoots I can point out coming out of the administration is Besent is running what I would call a version of Operation Twist at Treasury.
And to his credit, it's like keeping the lights on.
He's rolling down maturities, changing durations, and it is saving 15 bips here, 40 bips here for the federal government interest cost.
And it's pretty heroic how he's trading it.
So that's one good element of it.
But when you're dealing with almost 38 trillion now of debt, and then between liabilities or call it welfare state plus interest, we're almost at 90% of the entire expenditure of the government.
Unbelievable.
It's already dysfunctional.
It's unsustainable.
I can't help but think that the reason gold and silver are skyrocketing right now is because all over the world, not just the central banks, but other entities that I'll mention are just shifting, you know, they're dumping treasuries or rolling out of them and rolling into gold and silver and sometimes rolling into crypto.
But did you hear that in China, they just announced that all the large insurance companies have to hold a minimum of 1% of their reserves in physical gold.
Like that's going, that alone is going to increase gold demand globally by 25% or something.
I mean, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of paper to overcome in terms of price action, Mike.
But as far as physical, there was a pretty big mismatch at last month's expiry in the United States for COMEX, which is about 50 to 54 million ounces.
I don't have the number exactly in front of me.
Of gold?
No, silver.
Oh, of silver.
Okay, I was going to say.
And then with gold, it was a few million.
So that condition's been present since about January, each maturity.
So I think you've got, at least how I'm extrapolating, is unlike previous corrections or recession slash depressions, this one is very much going to be about counterparty risk, right?
Absolutely.
And that's why you're seeing in order of operations, if it's you and I, Mike, and we've got the treasury balance of the United States, what resources are we going to purchase to protect that capital?
And in order of operations, it is going to be gold, silver, probably palladium, platinum, vanadium, and maybe a few other rare earths.
Then we're going to go to, unfortunately, these still trade now, water futures, and then we're going to go to Bitcoin and privacy tokens.
Right.
And, you know, and include some ag in there.
But that's where we're at: is that gold has quite often had an eight, nine-week lead on Bitcoin.
And the same large swaths of purchases in gold are actually occurring in Bitcoin a few days later.
And I think what's common about gold and Bitcoin is that no government can counterfeit either one.
Correct.
And I believe, but I'd love your reaction, and feel free to call me out if you think I'm wrong.
But I think we're about to enter a post-fiat currency era.
I mean, every nation, every central bank, every large investor is rushing into commodities and crypto.
Again, non-counterfeitable value.
Does that make sense?
It does.
And you can see it from many different prisms, Mike.
You're absolutely correct, number one.
And I'm going to point out, like, this is giving people maybe an investable idea, but the spread between SP and commodities in terms of valuations is the widest in history.
And you say, well, Chris, don't we have hyperinflation now?
Well, yeah, but that's not even giving commodities a huge boost here.
So I think in terms of rotating to where you might be safer, the commodity production companies, which are quote-unquote value stocks, have been underperforming in the SP for the last 15 years, right?
Basically, the Big Seven, MAG7, 10, whatever the hell, have soaked up about 11 to 17 trillion of market cap and left value and small cap essentially dead to the side.
So I think you could very confidently rotate out of stuff that just has valuations that are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and go into natural resource companies, often that pay dividends.
And yeah, they might get whacked 20, 30% if the market corrects 60, but you're going to get paid a dividend.
They're not going to just disappear overnight because people don't want to use TikTok or Instagram anymore, right?
Well, right.
But yeah, everything you said, I agree with.
And I want to take it a little bit further here.
I'm very concerned about the stability of society when people lose their assets.
You know, you've heard like Gerald Salenti saying, when people lose everything, they lose it, or when they have nothing left to lose, they lose it.
There was, and I'm not going to get into this, but there was, looks like an assassination attempt on a prominent conservative influencer that just happened.
And I'm monitoring the reaction to that.
I'm very concerned that things are about to collapse into kinetic.
I don't know.
I don't want to use the term civil war because it's not like the 1860s.
But we're talking about instability and violence and people losing their shit, basically.
And if what you're talking about with dollar and debt, it's only going to feed into that cycle.
What do you make of it?
All I can say is that this has been the game in the agenda for some time now.
You could argue a more modern extrapolation of when this started could be when 9-11 and then when China was added to the WTO.
And then we, in earnest, exported the wealth of the United States of America in the form of the manufacturing industrial base.
And this is the culmination of a strategy highlighted by Smedley Butler.
War is a racket.
When all else fails, they take you to war.
That doesn't necessarily mean world war, although that's also in queue right now as well.
But I would like, and Charlie is a fantastic human being.
He's a beautiful, beautiful guy, bringing light and wisdom to young men who need it very, very much.
And I think had a huge hand in bringing people to the light, to truth, and being able to stand up for themselves.
I think he certainly has some responsibility for any sort of conservative registrations on the voter side for young men.
And I hope and pray that he is alive and well and that his family is coping with this tragedy the best they can.
But you know, I with that highlight, I think the enemy is in the Eccles building, the enemy is in the Capitol building, the enemy is in the city-state of Washington, not our fellow Americans.
That's right, 100%.
And so, we don't want to get us to fight each other, and that's the wrong answer, right?
Um, this is Hegelian dialectic, and largely, like you see gold, right?
And you and I are texting going, holy shit, holy shit, right?
And then look at the news cycle the last seven days.
Okay, well, that is showing you all right, purchasers of gold, large blocks of Bitcoin.
Why is that happening?
Big money is nervous about counterparty risk.
Okay, that now the cabal or whoever, you know, the they sees, oh shit, the financial markets might show the truth to people.
We got to do all these false flags and gear up for World War 66 million infinity, whether it's domestic in the United States, domestic in the UK, domestic in France.
You know, those are arguably already scenes of war, you know, beginning in 2015 when all of the refugees were imported for cultural diversity purposes.
You know, it's insane.
Um, and now that the financial markets, which are the only thing people can point to to pay for their meals and have the illusion of wealth, could combust near term, yeah, yeah.
And like we're seeing in France, you know, riots in the streets, burning of parts of Paris.
Um, and that's actually for a very similar reason.
Think about it: the austerity measures that Macron was trying to put in place rejected by the people because, you know, who wants to lose their government pension, right?
You know, who wants to get less money on government benefits?
Obviously, nobody does, but the problem is the numbers don't add up anymore across many Western European nations as well as the United States and others.
And so, this is inevitable, this washout of, you know, like the truth sucks when you're broke.
You know what I mean?
It's just this, but there's no way to avoid you.
You can't kick the can down the road forever.
So, this reckoning is arriving.
That's my point.
It is, it is ever-present.
I mean, in kind of the best case scenario, if you remember when it came on in April, kind of marked the low in the SP.
And I gave a couple different scenarios.
The upside, the most bullish one, the most upside potential played out.
And that was like a 6,410 price target, is what I was saying.
There may be, and predictions are not without any fault, but there may be a few more subdivisions before upside exhausts.
But we're looking at an order of magnitude of just weeks or a few months.
And I think it's going to be difficult to keep papering over this.
It's already very difficult.
You had a major lender, subprime lender, actually in Texas, go bankrupt today.
You've got 6.4% of mortgages already delinquent, and you've got subprime autos exploding in delinquencies, much both of those much higher than 08 and through 2010 levels.
And so the macro picture is already worse than it was when the SP was 700.
And it's currently above 6,400.
So you're talking about the big short scenario in both auto loans and residential everything, literally everything.
And commercial buildings.
No, it's everything because what the money printing cycle did, right?
So before 2009, essentially, so the bailout was $786 billion, which they like blow in three hours now, by the way, Mike.
So that saved Wall Street and the financial system in Q4 of 2008.
But they're blowing that in, you know, a few hours at this point.
And I think people should go on the U.S. debt clock dog and like watch it real time.
The rate of change will make you nauseous.
Yes.
Yeah.
And then start hiding your gold as you watch that.
It's like, oh my God.
That's where a mix of gold and Bitcoin is great because I know you probably do bullion like me.
Well, we can't like get semi-drugs and take this stuff away.
And then like a little hard drive, you have a lot of control of a lot of a lot of asset.
And that's a really big, big thing towards sovereignty, in my opinion, to have the bullion in your homestead and to have your assets off exchange in custody.
But back to the point on the demolition of the markets.
Well, no, let me add.
I agree with you.
Diversification here is absolutely key.
But I mean, diversifying out of the failing system.
But we don't, counterparty risk is going to be absolutely the issue here.
I completely agree with you, which also brings me, you know, to like Bitcoin ETFs and gold ETFs.
Like, I don't trust any paper from anybody.
No, though.
And for all the investors that are listening, sure, it's fine to have allocations to those in your portfolio, your traded or liquid portfolio, but you can't compare GLD, which we'll pick on, which is gold futures, by the way, that maybe has 20% of it anchored to actual collateral at best to bullion in either a warehouse storage facility safe that you pay for and it's expensive.
It's about 4.5% a year to do it properly, or you have it in many of your properties in a secure safe.
And there's only so much of that you can do.
So this is more about preservation and doing what you can for your peace of mind because we are all going to lose with what's coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And gold, what gold is going to go down when it starts, Mike?
It's not going to go up.
Oh, yeah.
Well, people are going to be trying to cover their bets in other markets and they're going to be offloading everything they can.
Correct.
So I think how you could see gold could get in the 4,200 range in the next few weeks to months.
And then when it reverses, which I'm not seeing any signs of that, we have really overbought conditions.
We're going to have some pullbacks as this continues in its current parabola form.
But once it goes inside of that 10-degree, 20-degree channel, that's when it's time to really position yourself and just be ready with this is what I'm going to own.
I know what's coming.
If it doesn't, great.
Either way, I win.
And just be fully prepared.
Because the main thing that these people are doing, these people being the cabal, they're screwing up this, right?
They're taking your consciousness down.
They're trying to take all of your personal power, personal wealth, personal control, personal health away from your own sphere of influence and your own command.
And so I'm fully fine with like if it happens when we get off the phone, Mike, whatever.
The net asset value that we have in dollars is at best an illusion.
Totally.
I don't even really consider the dollars.
I consider ounces of metal.
And true investors, real families that have built billions, they don't look at the valuation in Swiss francs or Euros.
They look at the quantity of assets they have, not what it's valued.
And that's, I've slowly learned that because I didn't come from a billionaire dynasty.
So I've slowly learned that being a professional investor the last 20 years.
And I think the point of us sharing that with others is so that they can have some solace when they think they have n number of USD fiat now.
And then it's not only is the purchasing power going to go down, but then the NAV of it in those terms is also going to decline.
Yeah.
I want to mention your website and your company and what you do, HyperionDecimus.com.
Can you give our audience a briefing of Roman and Greek authors?
No, I'm kidding.
Yes, we've got two digital asset-only hedge funds.
They're private funds designed to lift people out of fiat and be super secure in very diversified venues, strategies, and cold custody so that people who are not going to put all of their money in one or two tokens and try and have all of that on their hard drives can essentially take from call it growth or equity exposure of their traditional portfolio,
get it in a situation where it does have asymmetric upside, but also has the privacy and the protection benefits of the tech infrastructure to run a digital asset hedge fund.
And when you say digital assets, is it mostly crypto or is it crypto plus some other things?
No, it's all it's all crypto.
All crypto.
All liquid.
You know, Bitcoin's a large portion of Monero.
A few other, like Zcash has been in the portfolio.
So we trade, we combine holding some fundamentally sound crypto assets in cold off exchange, as well as trade algorithms for profit on exchange.
Okay.
It's a blend of both.
Okay, got it.
Well, let me ask you: how concerned are you about the brute force proof of work attack on Monero?
Yeah, it was sloppy, is maybe the best light I can paint it in.
However, I think now that we've gone through it and there's been a recovery, it was done with somewhat like benevolence to highlight that capability so that it didn't have that risk going forward.
I like how the team reacted.
It was maybe a little longer in reaction than I would have liked, but I think it resolved well.
And we actually bought the dip because it.
Well, how did the team react?
Because I don't know the details.
It was shock at first, right?
Because I don't think they were really aware that they were vulnerable to that.
And there was a, I forget the name of the group, but there was a specific group that did it and then didn't actually take any of the money out as a result of the attack.
Well, I don't think they ever attained 50%.
Correct.
They just went forward with an attack that effectively was a benevolent one to highlight the vulnerability of the network.
And just for our audience, if they had succeeded, it would have allowed them to take over every transaction of Monero.
They could have basically emptied everybody's wallets instantly.
Yep.
Yeah.
Now, Bitcoin is not vulnerable to that because Bitcoin has much, much larger distributed compute behind it.
You see the hash rate, right?
Mike, you follow that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you need another planet.
You need like Earth 2 to have a hash rate to compete with Bitcoin on Earth 1.
It's really incredible when people who are not technologists do not understand the security of the network that that hash rate proves in real time.
And I can't love it enough because I just want transparency.
I'm fine with assuming some level of price risk or technology risk, but I don't think it's highlighted enough that the security of Bitcoin's network blows away.
It makes Apple, Google, Oracle, AWS look like their kindergartners.
Yeah, yeah.
In terms of network security.
Well, right.
Okay.
I hear you.
I agree with you on that point.
Let's shift gears.
I've got a couple more questions for you about, let's talk about revaluation of gold, the government doing it or the treasury doing it.
Trump's effort to get, I think it's Lisa Cook out of the Fed board.
And by the way, the Supreme Court, or I'm sorry, another court just handed Trump a temporary defeat on that.
She cannot be fired by Trump right now, even though she apparently lied on her mortgage applications.
Trump wants to control the Federal Reserve Board, I believe, so that the Fed will go along with a revaluation effort involving the Fed and the Treasury.
Have you looked into this?
And do you think that that's likely?
Because you know, on the books, gold is still only valued at $42 and something.
And that's obviously way outdated.
What do you think of this?
Yeah, I think one way to put lipstick on a pig, so to speak, is with what they accomplished in the Genius bill.
Ironically, Mike, it actually was kind of genius.
So what that did, folks, is it opened up treasury bill access by forcing stable coins to be collateralized one-to-one with treasuries.
So you've already had dozens of stable coins issued.
It's going to end up being a few trillion just in a 12-month period, which can offset the selling that's occurred from the BRICS countries in Treasury.
So a lot of that selling, 95% of it's already been absorbed.
So this opens up markets for treasuries, gives any wallet user in any country, whatever the T-bill yield is.
It actually puts liquidity in banks to give bank reserves where now they're at zero, folks.
It's terrifying, Mike.
There's literally no bank reserves.
So that was quite smart to create liquidity for treasuries that also lower the interest rate, despite whatever the Fed says, because the Fed doesn't actually control rates.
The bond market does.
They just pretend they set them.
And then with respect to gold revaluation, if they can actually audit Fort Knox to establish the tonnage that the U.S. taxpayer owns in reserves, and you just go to current price and you factor in a few trillion of treasury bills, you're looking at two to three years worth of CapEx that's saved almost instantaneously.
Now, if they go to a reval upwards and say, okay, we're taking silver, 400,500, gold, 25,000 Bitcoin, 400, 500,000 with what they already own, you're covering 15 to 17 trillion of the debt.
So I do think, again, I call it lipstick on a pig, but this would maybe put us in a correction and recession environment, then all-out Armageddon.
So even if they do pull that off, Mike, we're still going to have a bunch of counterparties go down, a wild and large correction, especially in residential real estate, but also in equities and bonds.
And but may be able to stave off the lights going off and there not being any counterparties.
Oh man, yeah, things are going to get very, very difficult for a lot of people who aren't following this information.
Yeah, Mike, you're a gentleman and a hero for exposing people to this.
This is reserved on purpose for the highest echelon of societies globally, as you know, Mike.
The information on this and how to have independent financial knowledge is kept on purpose.
I've learned this real time because I'm self-taught.
And you're exposing this at a very high magnitude to people in every element, whether it's health, self-sovereignty, and technology.
You're giving people more than I see any of your counterparts give.
I'm so far beyond trying to just run a business.
I'm in the let's help save humanity mode 24/7.
It's like that's why we're doing our AI engine to try to empower people and bypass censorship, give people knowledge.
And, you know, our engine is trained on honest money.
It's trained on Austrian economics.
It's trained on, you know, the Federal Reserve creature from Jekyll Island, all of it.
And that's, you know, that's information that's been lacking from public discourse.
You know, people have been treated to this junk food diet of Jim Kramer and others, you know, CNBC nonsense just to keep them locked into a system that is designed to screw them.
It's slavery.
And honestly, like, I played football.
I surfed big waves.
Like, physical pain is nothing like mental, Mike.
You know?
And to bear witness, just my children, like, and you and I have discussed this, they don't have phones.
They're getting bullied at school for not having phones, like literally getting called poor.
Wow.
Nine-year-old, nine-year-old daughter.
And should, daddy, are we poor?
Well, maybe in the way that they think.
Yeah.
Well, right.
One of my previous guests has often predicted that America is about to become Venezuela.
And by that, what he means is the collapsing middle class.
And there are all kinds of social problems that come with that, such as increasing crime, desperation, food lines, you know, when governments then intervene in the supply chain.
You know, one chicken per week, and now you have to have a biometric scan at the grocery store because we have to control the food and we have to have price controls.
And so then you have supply-demand imbalances that result in black markets.
Then you have to have police arresting the black market people who met in a parking lot to sell a chicken.
You know, like all this shit, pardon my language.
I'm a little bit disturbed because of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, honestly.
Me too.
I'm very disturbed by what's happening in this country.
And because I see where it's going, and I think you do too, Christopher.
You see where this is headed.
This is not good.
This country is falling apart.
I would almost go ahead and say it has fallen apart, like not falling, it's fallen.
And I think the green shoots are, in effect, like you were just perfectly describing, forced decentralization, right?
And I think people really need to think locally and hopefully before this all goes down, like really know your neighbors, really build community protocols and have action plans for scenarios.
Like in Florida, we get hit by so many hurricanes.
We have that protocols like just second nature come April, May, right?
Okay, well, who's going to be in charge of vegetables and fruits?
Who's going to be in charge of eggs?
Who's going to be charged of firearms?
Who's going to be in charge of finance?
Who's going to be in charge of comms?
This isn't that hard to negotiate amongst a dozen or two neighbors of you.
And you've literally gotten further than you would have without it.
And more than likely, you're helping heal all of what's wrong with society at the same time.
So I really am a big advocate for that.
And the more we get ahead of scarcity, because that's what they want to, you know, effectively force on all of us, we really have that opportunity.
The moment that window closes, Mike, it really, it really can get Mad Maxie.
I think maybe not as bad because everybody's fat and retarded, but, you know, it's nine.
What's the rule of the historic?
It's not, you're nine meals away from chaos.
Nine meals from anarchy, I think.
From anarchy, yeah.
Yeah.
And not the good anarchy, the bad anarchy.
Right.
Not anarcho-capitalism.
No.
Let me just interrupt our conversation here because Charlie Kirk's been pronounced dead is what I'm seeing from multiple sources online.
And leftists are celebrating it all over Reddit.
They're celebrating it.
Mainstream media is mocking it, saying, oh, it must have been one of his own fans that accidentally shot him in celebration.
I think that was NBC.
I mean, the vile nature of that.
The shooter.
Again, I apologize, Christopher, for even bringing this in, but this is happening in real time as you and I are talking.
This is relevant to what we're talking about.
This is going to result in a domino effect of outrage and violence and conflict in America.
And I can't help but think that whoever set up this shooting wanted that to happen.
I mean, it's just like you said, the Hegelian dialectic is in play right now.
And Charlie Kirk is its latest victim.
The world lost a big light.
It's very sad.
I'd love to just remind your viewers who obviously care, Mike, that the Tree of Liberty, you know, it was just refreshed with the blood of a patriot.
And we should return the favor.
I mean, what you're meaning is we should join the cause for liberty.
I just want to say that.
Well, I mean, it's time for the blood of the tyrants, is what I mean, Mike.
Maybe not, maybe more metaphorically, but you know, yeah, I just, I just want to be the way you said it could have been misinterpreted.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, correct.
And I was quoting it gets put to Henry and Jefferson, so we'll just attribute it to both of them.
But yeah, it's very, very sad.
He was a good patriot, good man, good father, and did a lot of great for young men, especially.
There's also been, there's a high school that's erupted in another mass shooting just now.
There are conflicting reports, by the way, on Charlie Kirk.
Some people are saying he's still alive.
Glenn Beck, an hour ago, said he had a pulse.
That's never good when they say he's still got a pulse.
That's not a good sign either.
But multiple accounts are saying that he's been pronounced dead.
So, again, I apologize, Christopher.
It's heavy because I've been around him at different conferences, and I'm sure you have too.
He's a good human.
And it wouldn't be so dark, and I wouldn't be so torn up if it was some just low-wolf crazed lunatic.
But because we know and we're conscious of this being some master plan and agenda, it is really, really, really frustrating.
Yeah.
Yes.
And the ramifications of this are going to be widespread.
And I can only pray for this country at this point because there are elements that want to start a civil war.
And I believe, as you know, Christopher, that they need a cover story for the financial reset.
100%.
That's why the phrase, if all else fails, they take you to war.
Well, let's look, let's appraise what the WHO and UN and the WEF want.
What are they trying to sell us on?
They're trying to sell us on depopulation.
Well, how does that play in?
Well, if we're going to play cover for financial collapse, what do we have to do, Mike?
We have to create a war that accomplishes our depopulation agenda on both sides because we fund both sides of that war.
And then we're eliminating our resistance by destroying the youth 18 to 35 who then would be the benefactor of any assets that their bloodline has accumulated.
And people need to understand how multi-factored that agenda really is and how cunning it is.
Yeah.
Now, forgive me getting angry, but.
No, I'm angry too.
I'm trying to control myself here because, again, you and I, we know the playbook.
We've seen it throughout history and in America's history.
We know where this goes.
And I am very, I mean, I have so many concerns right now rushing through my mind.
I'm concerned, for example, that maybe the shooter will be an MK Ultra Islamic person.
And then you're going to have the same thing after 9-11.
You're going to have everybody in America just like hating people because they look Middle Eastern, you know, hating Sikhs because they don't understand Sikhism is not Islam.
Oh my God.
I mean, we've been through this before.
And it's insane.
And it becomes a nation of hatred and suspicion and violence.
And all the wrong people get demonized and marginalized.
But that's how these events are often engineered.
If that is indeed what happened, we don't know yet.
Okay, Christopher.
Yeah.
All we can do is pray for his family, pray for this country, and hope that there's enough patriots left.
Because if there's not, it kind of lights out across the planet.
Like you, you know.
Well, and, you know, there's so much violence everywhere.
Just in the last 24 hours, 79 more Palestinians killed in Gaza, you know, children being shot there, just, you know, bombing in Qatar, you know, burning on the streets of Paris.
I don't think humanity makes it out of this alive.
We've got the rise of robots coming, you know, got the AI systems.
I've been commenting on some of the, have you ever heard the term AI maximalist?
Yes.
Yeah.
So the AI maximalists think that AI will solve all of humanity's problems and make life a perfect utopia for humans.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
No, they will end crime by ending humanity.
That's like, how do you not see where the machines are going to be taken in this?
You know, I think some of those, or maybe even most of those talking head maximalists are just shills because a lot of what we're seeing on the financial side, on the stock side of this, is it's they're creating this hyperbolic narrative so that smart money can dump on dumb money.
Yeah, yeah.
Because you know better than most, Mike, LLMs in of themselves are only as good as the data they're trained on.
Well, I compare yours or Perplexity or DeepSeek, perplexity plural for coding at least, to a chat GBT.
And it's like, who's got the ADD in the room?
Right.
And then you look and research what data sets or sites it's trained on.
You're like, well, duh, no wonder it's lying about history.
It can't really do complex mathematics.
And it lacks the ability to have logic and reason.
So I'm not, I'm not, I'm certainly no maximalist, but I think there's huge benefits to productivity and efficiencies.
And it's another tool in the tool set, but if wielded by the wrong power.
Yes.
Well, let me share this with you.
You know, I use AI to write a lot of code.
And I came up with a query the other day I want to share with you that is incredibly disturbing and or a prompt.
Because you see, when I share this with you, you'll see what I'm talking about.
We've already achieved AGI.
If five years ago, if you showed people five years ago what AI can do today, they would have said that's AGI.
Let me give you an example.
So a lot of people don't really understand what AI is doing.
They think it's just a word prediction engine.
And it's not.
And here's why.
I can take a giant Python script of like 5,000 lines or whatever, and I can give it to, I can just paste it into an AI engine that's good at coding, and I can add the prompt: explain to me in plain language what this program does.
And sure enough, it will process all the code and it will come back with a couple of paragraphs and bullet points of what the code does.
That is not word prediction, that is conceptually structuring the action of the code and kind of simulating it in your fake AI brain and thinking about what will this do, translating that in the language and explaining it to me, the human.
Christopher, that is so far beyond word prediction.
Oh, yeah, that is intelligence.
And like, like I was saying, if it's got great training on vast and the insane thing is with the hardware, how vast and how fast the quantities of data it can be trained on, um, which only enhance the capabilities you just described.
I mean, we have strategies, Mike, that are 5,000, 8,000 lines of code.
And you can run, I can tell it a prompt to run a new factor optimization, and within less than 120 seconds, I've got a response.
Yep.
Yep.
It's horsepower that even as good of hardware technologists as we are, and we have our own internal proprietary software that we're running execution algos, trading out, blah, blah, blah.
It's really quite epic.
And I'm not trying to be arrogant.
We're not painting the picture bright enough on the magnitude that you just described.
It's a leapfrog.
It's a leapfrog.
Absolutely.
What I'm finding is that when I try to talk to people about AI and where it's going and what it means, it's like, I mean, I don't want to be insulting, but it's like trying to teach a pigeon to play chess, right?
It's like the person doesn't even understand the realm of the words that we are talking about, or even the concepts of what are transformers, you know, what's a language model, what's a reasoning model, et cetera.
It's like that's not even in their wheelhouse.
And so they have no idea what's about to happen, which is, you know, the mass replacement of cognitive jobs, that is, computer jobs, desk jobs, anything that you do at a desk with a computer and a keyboard and a mouse, that's obsolete in about two years by any human.
I mean, yeah.
The only delta would be the timeline, right?
Correct.
And then humanity is going to have to choose.
Like, do we want to go more analog or do we want to be governed by AI?
Because if we don't disintermediate with some, you know, agreed upon process and plan, then it's going to get there within the timeline you just said.
Yeah.
And because of the burden, and that's that's not a nice word, because of the requirement of the social welfare state across earth that the Cabal decided to implement to hide the inflation, to debt slave and obligate the productive class, and to destroy wealth building, right?
Because that condition exists.
And unlike in the Great Depression, where 80 plus percent of households had subsistence farming, right now it's, you would know better than me, but it's around 2%, right?
You don't want 47% with no access to food because then they come for you.
So we're in a really different and more precarious spot than previous depressions.
And largely, you can look at Weimar Republic, which was right after the Great Depression.
I'm sorry, right before the Great Depression, because Hitler got them out of it by the time we had the Great Depression.
People had a lot more civility, had a lot more manners, and had a lot more honor with how they conducted themselves of any ethnicities, right?
Or religions.
And now it's like you watch the video of the pretty young girl, and the fellow citizens aren't helping or doing anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it really is.
I mean, look at Western Europe.
Those countries, look at the UK.
They've lost the rule of law.
They've lost any self-preservation tendency to protect their own culture, their own borders.
You know, the churches are being burned in France.
Germany is, it's an industrial collapse on steroids.
Western Europe's lost, man.
I actually don't see Western Europe recovering from this at all.
It's really, again, it's sad.
And I think that they're like five years ahead on the plan in the United States.
But with what just happened, I don't think people, I know people aren't paying attention to the minutiae of geopolitical plus macroeconomics, but what was negotiated with India, Russia, and China was: okay, the West deep state blows up the pipeline.
I forget the name that was in the ocean, Mike.
The Nord Stream pipeline?
Nord Stream, thank you, that Seymour Hirsch highlighted in his great journalistic work.
But they just agreed to run through Mongolia.
Now that's going to open up gold mining and rare earth mining that's not open currently.
They're going to go past to the side of India and get it into China.
And they spent years negotiating this.
They finally agreed on price.
Well, what is that going to do for those economies, right?
They're not going to have hyperinflation in energy.
They're going to have transport shipping.
They're going to be able to have ag resources because nat gas is a huge input to fertilizer, as you know, Mike.
Absolutely.
But what are we doing?
We're letting the vestiges of a multi-hundred-year-old dynastic cabal dictate to the entire Western culture what our terms are.
Yeah, and that pipeline that you mentioned, I covered that in detail.
It's a game changer for the world.
That's called the power of Siberia 2.
Correct.
Yes, exactly.
And the construction cost is only something like 16 billion.
It's going to move 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year, which means it pays off in the first year.
Wait, didn't Gavin Newsom get one train car for 30 billion?
Yeah, right, right.
A train that goes nowhere.
But this is going to move gas from the Yamal gas fields that used to supply this gas to Germany.
See, this is what's critical.
So Germany's industry was powered by this Russian gas from Yamal, which is in the upper northwest portion of Russia, a massive country.
Instead, that's going to go to northern China to feed China's industrial base, to feed China's factories, to feed China's energy-producing gas turbines that provide terawatt hours to freaking AI data centers, which is going to mean that China can do AI research for one-tenth the cost of the U.S. doing AI research.
Mike, would they be able to mine Bitcoin cheaper?
Yeah, I imagine, right?
I mean, it's like you're basically getting energy for pennies out of a pipeline.
I mean, you know, per cubic meter over time, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's almost free, you know, like cheap Russian gas, man, that powers everything.
And everybody doesn't get it.
As much as we can be critical of all of those countries individually, at the macro level, this is an epic policy for the people.
And then when I look at China, the globalists brought them into the World Trade Organization for many reasons, but the main two were to bankrupt America and to set up the manufacturing base and basically prey on slave labor in China.
Well, now move forward to 2016.
Xi Jinping double-crosses them, takes over the bank, now requires their banks, which are outside of the Rothschild banking system, to hold gold, right?
And then, oh, by the way, you guys just financed us having modern tech manufacturing, transport shipbuilding, ag, right?
And then now we're going to use it to feed and supply our own population.
Ha ha, morons, right?
I mean, that just happened in the last 40 years.
Yep.
Right under our nose.
And I think looking at, sorry to diatribe a little more, looking at the condition for women, and I have a daughter and a wife, looking at the condition for women in Europe.
It is an abject failure of men all over the planet that women are subjected to that.
And everybody should be ashamed of themselves.
It makes me sick that women and girls are subjected to that terror and fear on a daily basis in their own home country.
It's disturbing and disgusting.
And I know the globalists get off on it because they're sick, demonic, you know what's.
And men need to step up and play their role.
And that's to protect and provide for women and children.
And it's just disturbing, Mike.
I think at some point, the only way it's saved is if they're pushed far enough to revolt, Mike.
I don't see any other way.
And remember, the weakening of the male has been pushed through pop culture, movies, TV.
Every movie now shows white men as being weak, subservient to a woman.
All the male heroes have been replaced with little petite 110-pound women who can beat up hulking men.
You know, I mean, it's been an assault on our culture.
And of course, that it's going to bear poison fruit.
And that's what we're seeing.
Correct.
That's why they had that agenda, Mike.
You just articulated.
Because, oh, if we deplete the masculinity of Western men, sedate them, rape them of their resources, rape them of their ideology, rape them of their self-worth, then we can take advantage and terrorize their women and children.
Yeah.
And then indoctrinate them.
And then, oh, by the way, we're going to convince kids that they can just pick whatever gender they can be.
Oh, and if they pick the one we want them to be, we'll just chop everything off free of charge on the taxpayer.
Sweet.
Like, come on.
Now, we are both affected by the Charlie news, so I'm angrier than I know.
I know, I know.
And Trump, Trump just tweeted that it's confirmed that Charlie Kirk has died.
So it's just, you know, we should probably end this conversation right now.
I need to process all this.
But you and I are actually living through what we're talking about here.
I mean, this is the kind of craziness and spontaneous violence that we are going to see more and more.
This America, I mean, talk about turning point USA.
This is a turning point for America.
Things are going to get far worse from here.
I can feel it.
I can see it.
Yeah.
I hope we can learn from our mistakes and unite and take the battle to our real enemy, or all of that pain and suffering that's on deck both financially and mentally will be for nothing.
Yeah.
That's right.
All right.
Christopher, I'm sorry to end this on such a down note, but let me give out your website again, hyperiondecimus.com with the Latin spelling of decimus there.
And let's make a point to talk again soon, hopefully on a better day.
In the meantime, you have any final words to wrap this up.
Just praying for his family.
And that's kind of all-consuming at this point, man.
I know.
I got to cancel the rest of my day.
I just can't.
It's really sad.
I got to process where this is what this means for our country, for our futures.
And the fact that it was apparently a rifle round from 200 yards away.
So this is starting to look a lot like Butler, like the attempt on Trump.
Yeah.
I'm not shocked, Mike.
Yeah.
I'm not shocked.
So, all right.
Well, Christopher, God bless you.
God bless America.
Pray for peace.
And we'll talk again later.
All right, buddy.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Thanks.
Take care.
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