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EMF hazards revealed and demolished – A fascinating interview with Nick Pineault

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	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	Do you use electronic devices?
	Do you have 5G devices up beside your head all day long?
	Well, you know that's dangerous and you know you want to minimize that.
	But as a culture, as a society, we are raising our children in a way where they are inundated with these wireless signals, these energetic, you know, electromagnetic signals that penetrate bodies and skulls and tissues and they do have effects and they have very dangerous effects, especially on developing children.
	So today, our expert is Nick Pino, who is the creator of a new documentary series that we're going to be airing free of charge at Brighteon University.
	That's brightyou.com.
	We'll give you the details about that coming up.
	But I want to welcome my guest today, Nick Pino.
	Welcome, Nick.
	It's great to have you back.
	Thanks for joining us today.
	Talk about this.
	Thanks for having me again, Mike.
	It's a pleasure to help spread the word about the dangers of these everyday devices.
	Yeah, you know, there's a general understanding that they are somewhat dangerous or that maybe children should minimize their time, but I don't think that there's an acute awareness of exactly how dangerous they are.
	Can you speak to that?
	For sure.
	You know, it's not only the cancer risks that have been identified and even reinforced in the last few years.
	And of course, you know, this is studied in adults.
	So when adults talk on a phone on the head, there is an increase in ipsilateral, what's called same side where they were speaking, cancer risk.
	We're talking about glioblastoma, which is the deadliest type of brain cancer that exists, but also potentially acoustic neuromas or paridlan cancer or thyroid cancer.
	But these risks had already been identified by certain researchers like Dr. Leonard Hardell, who's an epidemiologist.
	They are much greater in teenagers who are using the same phones.
	So that was already known.
	And we're talking about research from 2006, if I recall correctly.
	So that's, you know, over 15 years ago at this point.
	But we have no idea and not a lot of political will or scientific funding available to understand what is happening instead of putting the phone here.
	I keep it in my pocket all day, every day, but starting when I'm sometimes six years old, because if you look at the real world statistic, you have six-year-olds that have their own cell phone nowadays.
	Believe it or not, I had a hard time kind of playing around with this statistic, but there's a large percentage of six years old that have some kind of device.
	Sometimes it might be an older phone that they have for entertainment, for games, for social media.
	And if it's not a six-year-old, it might be a 12-year-old.
	But these risks are greater in children.
	That's already known, scientifically speaking.
	That's always been known because, of course, this is true of most, if not all, environmental toxins.
	The dangers in adults are something.
	And then the dangers are just getting higher and higher the more you get closer to a fetus.
	What alarmed me when working on this specific event, it's called EMF Hazards Safeguard Our Future.
	Of course, it is focused on the risks in fetuses, children, teenagers.
	And of course, you know, there's not a lot of children that's going to be watching this.
	So we're talking to those that have sworn to protect them.
	So their parents or grandparents, how can we communicate these risks to these generations?
	What alarmed me is the research of Dr. Yu Taylor from Yale.
	And he's a researcher, epidemiologist who was looking at potential causes of ADD, ADHD.
	What he did is twofold.
	He looked at epidemiology.
	So the more pregnant moms in human populations were exposed to their cell phone, is there a correlation with the risk of their children suffering from these risks of ADD, ADHD, but even food intolerances or asthma, even in certain studies.
	And the risk that the correlation that they found was very, very high.
	High probability that there is a link.
	The more you expose yourself during pregnancy and the more your offspring, your children, might have these symptoms of hyperactivity.
	Why is that?
	Well, It's probably because it changes the way the brain or nervous system matures, even while you are still a developing baby.
	So it's crazy to me.
	That's totally crazy.
	So you're talking about just prenatal exposure causing these effects.
	Now, it occurs to me and my audience, who are all very sophisticated, well-informed people, that the telecom industry or big tech plus telecom, They are pushing this because they financially benefit when they have more people using these devices.
	They're also able to spy on people and hoover up all of their metadata to be sold off or to be used to surveil or track people.
	But then what you just mentioned brings up the fact that the pharmaceutical industry also benefits from medicating the symptoms caused by exposure for sure, for sure.
	So isn't this unholy alliance between big tech and big pharma basically turning our children into profit centers for their businesses?
	It is crazy.
	And when I look at how many adults, now young adult in their 20s that are a little bit younger than me, I'll be 38 in a few days.
	But people in their early 20s, there's a large fraction of Americans in their early 20s that have been on medication almost their entire life at this point.
	So they don't even know what normal feels like.
	They've been on antidepressants or Ritalin or these different pharmaceuticals.
	But who knows how much technology is to be blamed for some of these symptoms or how much they are anxious or depressed, but it is either caused or exacerbated, not only by the fact that we know this technology is addictive.
	We know that the screens are stealing away our dopamine and the social media is kind of making us, you know, almost neurotic.
	And that's already known.
	But I'm talking about the EMF signals emitted by devices are also contributing to it.
	There's one public health researcher, Bonnie Tucker, that we interviewed in that series, EMF Hazards Safeguard Our Future, that you're going to be able to see starting August 23rd.
	She basically said that the vast majority of studies around the radio frequency radiation emitted by a phone or a Bluetooth device such as AirPods or a tablet or a laptop, and then the risks of higher anxiety in teenagers was very clear.
	It was the majority of studies in the last 10 to 15 years that were showing impacts.
	So with that in mind, ask yourself, why haven't the rules, the safety regulations around cell phones evolved?
	And what I found in the last year, I don't even know if you're not.
	We don't even know.
	Yeah, because lawmakers are paid off by these industries.
	Well, exactly.
	They have no incentive, of course, to update the rules because if they had to update the rules long ago, they would have come up with a threshold that is, let's say, safe in adults and a different one in children.
	So how come we have the same threshold in adults and children when we know that children use this technology?
	It's nonsensical.
	When you dig into it, you realize the entire house of card of EMF safety is all hanging by a thread on a few studies from the 1980s made on five rats and eight monkeys.
	That's all, this is the entire foundation of safety.
	So of course, you're laughing because you know what it means.
	It's BS.
	It's BS.
	Absolutely.
	But they want to use that to deny any kind of negative impacts.
	Let me mention when this EMF Hazards Summit actually streams, it's going to be available free of charge at Brighteon University beginning August 23rd.
	So if you just go to brightu.com, here it is.
	You can register right here.
	It just takes an email address.
	And it's free to view.
	The whole thing is free.
	And it runs for, what is that, eight days?
	And what you can do is you can watch it free or you can optionally purchase it and download it.
	And that helps benefit Nick's Summit Creation platform as well as our platform that's carrying it as well.
	But you can watch The whole thing for free if you want, and we strongly encourage you to do so.
	And if you know people who have children or grandchildren, tell them about this, they can tune in and watch this for free.
	And again, brightyou.com is where you do that.
	But, Nick, I wanted to ask you, I think it's important for us to try to differentiate what I'm going to call the hardware-level exposures versus the software of what's happening inside the phone or you know, the interaction between the human and the phone.
	So, at the hardware level, those are the EMFs that's what you're talking about.
	You know, the signals, the 5G towers, but it's also the blue light, right?
	It's the screens for so that's a hardware component, and then there's also even a posture thing where a lot of children they're always looking down all day like this, you know.
	And so, I mean, chiropractors are going to have lots of business trying to correct a bad mobile phone posture.
	And I'm seeing this in you know, like 12-year-olds and things like that.
	It's it seems crazy, but then there's the software-level brain damage, which is the behavioral addiction that makes a lot of people neurotic, they're always chiming in, they need confirmation from people they don't know, fake friends on their social media that they're trying to impress with a fake life that's not even real.
	So, everything's staged, you know.
	And what does this do beyond beyond the hardware risks?
	I mean, what's happening to the brains of our entire generation when they grow up like this?
	Well, it's not good, and I know it's difficult.
	I have a seven-year-old at home, and we were able to control screen time because I was personally aware of these dangers early on as a new father.
	But for people who, you know, learn this information late and your teenagers are already addicted to these devices, it's very, very difficult.
	What I'm going to talk about is not a speaker that's included in the series, but someone I talked about years ago, Dr. Victoria Dunkley, who's an integrative psychiatrist, if I recall correctly, and she did studies on children who had very big behavioral problems, sometimes violent behavior or running away from home, and even if they're, you know, not even in their teenage years.
	And what they realized is that resetting their brain by removing these devices that, of course, they were addicted to, like, you know, almost every kid on the block nowadays, took about 30 days.
	Wow.
	And if they were able to stick with it, they had what, you know, maybe some conventional doctors would call, oh, it's a miracle, you know, it's a medical miracle.
	But in reality, these kids would be with behavioral problems.
	Some of them were, you know, quote unquote cured.
	And it begs a question: you know, did they have a erythalin deficiency?
	Did they have a problem?
	Or was it simply that maybe they were a little bit more affected than a different kid by the devices?
	And it's really, really bizarre these stories that I keep hearing.
	But I want to also address something that is seen nowadays in very, very young kids.
	Sometimes, you know, the preteens starting at, I don't know, even my kid, Elliot, is seven.
	He might be, you know, before I know it, he'll be in that category too.
	And he'll ask me, Dad, I want these AirPods in my ears.
	And I've been alarmed personally in the last years doing this.
	I've been doing this work as the EMF guy for, you know, over eight years, but in the last three years, how many people on the street I see with AirPods in?
	So the Bluetooth earphones or headphones or earbuds.
	And it's just increasing exponentially.
	And it's even, I don't want to, you know, criticize my colleagues, but some people in health wear those to do podcasts.
	And I tell them, look, no, this is good.
	This isn't good for you.
	We had all the reasons in the world to think that a cell phone to the head is concerning at a minimum.
	And to me, very concerning.
	Like you shouldn't do that on a constant basis.
	Very occasionally, you could do it for emergencies, but not for extended periods of time.
	So now what people are doing is not talking on the phone.
	Instead, they probably keep the phone in their pocket, which is equally damaging, but for other body parts.
	But now they have an EMF-emitting thingy in their ear, but for extended periods of time.
	And some teenagers wear that even, you know, while sleeping or while in bed.
	So it's 20.
	Well, almost.
	And if it's not that, it's a cell phone that is tucked under the pillow that is very commonly seen.
	So you're always exposed.
	And of course, since our safety limits are based on six to 30 minutes of exposure, it really begs the question: what is the cumulative effect of all these things?
	And, you know, I don't have a magical answer for parents who might be watching this or grandparents who say, okay, but what do you tell teenagers about these AirPods, right?
	It's very difficult.
	The best I found in the last year is you should probably ask them or beg them or force them, depending on what is your parenting style, to at least, if they're stationary, they're at this computer right now doing work or homework, use wires.
	If you're moving around, then wear your other things.
	So you cut down on the number of hours you're exposed because, of course, the dose makes the poison to some extent, right?
	So we're trying to just make a change of habit in these different kids, and it's very, very difficult.
	For younger kids, you can do practical things and it's easier to control for younger kids, obviously.
	So, Nick, you know, I'm looking through the table of contents of your documentary here, your summit.
	And let me just mention again, it's called the EMF Hazards Summit 2025.
	And you can watch it for free at brightyou.com.
	And Nick, I just want to mention this: that there's one section that I think would be great for you to consider adding in a future summit, a future episode.
	And this just happens to be my area of expertise.
	So I'm very much aware of this, which is the nutritional approaches to minimize cellular damage caused by EMF exposure.
	Do you have any experts talking about that in your program?
	We didn't address this in particular.
	We did address certain environmental toxins that are present in kids.
	So in a sense, the total body burden, which I've been studying in the last year more and more environmental medicine doctors.
	There's one doctor that I was fascinated by in this series called Dr. Anju Usman.
	And she's an environmental medicine physician who basically tests kids for toxins these days.
	And she told me how she will test kids that aren't doing so well, that are very young, sometimes before their teenage years, and their toxic burden is already too high.
	And this is where you find some of these kids that react very badly to cell phones, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth, this sort of EMR syndrome, electromagnetic radiation syndrome, also called electrosensitivity.
	But basically, these kids react to almost anything in the environment, including pollen, including foods.
	They're allergic to everything.
	And the reason that this happens, according to Dr. Usman, is simply that their threshold has been reached.
	It's too much.
	And even, you know, the toxins they got generationally from their mom are present in their body.
	So she told us about in that interview about certain detoxification strategies that they can use with kids, including some kids have to go on IV chelation therapy, which is quite involved.
	I know it because that's a different story, but this year I've also had to undertake it because of massively high lead levels that I found last year.
	So, you know, I know you talked about this years ago, and I learned that from you years ago, but it's also, it's a problem that's ongoing in kids, and that just contributes to their overall burden that they're getting, not only from EMLs, but also from other environmental toxins.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And I know that your research is meticulous and very much evidence-based research.
	And so I want to add two things for you to consider here that I just, I happen to be aware of.
	One is that 5G signals, for example, can produce peroxynitrite Inside the circulating blood, and that's a very dangerous free radical that can cause chromosomal damage.
	So it's not like the radiation itself is ionizing radiation.
	It isn't.
	It's not that strong, but it can create molecules that themselves can then cause some chromosomal damage.
	However, the body has a normal repair mechanism in order to defend itself against that.
	But if a child is lacking in good nutrition or is compromised with heavy metals exposure, then that normal repair mechanism can be extremely compromised.
	Also, spike protein tends to compromise what's called the double-strand break repair mechanism that's biologically normally present in humans.
	So if a child is exposed to even spike protein shedding or whatever, that can also compromise their ability to repair the chromosome.
	So that's one thing.
	So I believe that nutritional deficiency exacerbates the problems related to EMF exposure.
	And then the second thing that just came up on my radar, I think yesterday, and I don't have the citation here, I apologize, but Dr. Jack Cruz was talking about this.
	There seems to be a new study that shows that melanin in the skin, when it is properly activated through sunlight exposure and someone becomes more and more tan, let's say a darker skin complexion, that this actually also blocks some penetration of EMF into the body.
	Yeah, I'm not aware of this, but I would say if you build your melanin and if you get a tan, it doesn't show I do have my summer tan.
	Normally I'm even whiter than that in the winter, believe it or not.
	I did spend some time in, but I also burn very easily.
	I don't know if I have some Irish genes or what, but all that to say that yes, sun exposure will give us a protective effect on many, many levels.
	You know, some people kind of bring it back to the technological, also the technology used like red light panels or this, this little sliver of the light spectrum.
	And these things I think can be useful, but if you go outside, you get the full spectrum.
	So one thing is sure, we are yoked to the sun.
	And how I explain it these days, Mike, is even simpler than that.
	EMF from cell towers and from these devices here, it is noise.
	Nature offers the good signals, the healthy stuff.
	So if you go outside and you just are exposed to natural frequencies, including, you know, walking barefoot, which is called earthing, that has properties and that has benefits, getting exposed to sunshine, being in nature, being in close proximity to trees, all of it is kind of building up your, let's say, your reserve of good frequencies.
	And that's, you know, a simplistic way to put it, but it works.
	And when you put it against the science, we're going to continue to rediscover the ancient wisdom, but in a way that can translate nowadays or let's say can be accepted in the mainstream.
	We're going to discover more and more and more benefits of being in nature.
	And that's already ongoing.
	You talk about it.
	I talk about it.
	But it's important to tell people these things because yes, it is daunting that the environment is increasingly toxic.
	There are things we can do to minimize exposure, but there are also things we can do in order to make ourselves and our kids more resilient in this toxic environment.
	Absolutely.
	That's great point you made right there.
	And I know you have many experts that speak to that overall theme in your docuseries, EMF hazards, that we're broadcasting.
	But let me add a couple of points to this because I really appreciate you being open to this discussion.
	There are two enormous takeaways from this.
	So children who spend the majority of their time indoors, which is where schooling typically takes place, by the way, but if they also just stay at home watching TV or they're living in the darkness all the time, they are far more damaged by these EMF signals than a child that has natural outdoor playtime, that has the sunlight exposure.
	And by the way, one of the ways that we know this that should be obvious is that melanin in the skin protects the skin from ultraviolet radiation from the sun.
	That's the whole point of why your skin tans is to protect you from ionizing radiation that is produced by the sun in order to protect your genetics.
	And this is also, this is an important discussion.
	This is why ethnic groups that traditionally live closer to the equator have darker skin.
	This is why black people are black.
	It's because their ancestors lived much closer to the equator.
	And this is why you, as a French person and me, with my background, is a combination of French, Irish, American, Indian, and so on.
	And I've been in the sun a lot this year.
	So that's why I'm looking darker, a little bit reddish because of my Indian background.
	But that's why we are white, because we lived, our ancestors lived farther from the equator.
	We had much less intense sunlight.
	We didn't need the protection from the ultraviolet radiation.
	We needed the absorption of sunlight in order to generate vitamin D. You see, so actually, skin color says a lot about your ancestry.
	But the takeaway from this, Nick, is that black people, that is, people with more melanin activated in their skin who have this natural sunscreen, which is a real, it's a benefit of protection from the sun's UV rays.
	But it's a drawback if you spend your life indoors.
	And this is why black people have more aggressive forms of breast cancer and prostate cancer because of vitamin D deficiency.
	But is it likely, Nick, that black people may have more intrinsic protection from EMFs for this very reason?
	It is possible, but there are so many factors.
	If it is helping them, bless them.
	But at the same time, you know, I would say that everyone needs to do what they can to minimize exposure.
	Sure.
	It's very difficult to navigate when we talk about what makes one individual more susceptible to feeling the effects of EMFs than another.
	I remember one discussion I had in this series with Dr. Stephanie McCarter was around, you know, these teenagers that enter her clinic.
	She was working at Deeper Healing in Charleston, South Carolina back in the days.
	And some teenagers were completely fine with AirPods in their ears 24-7.
	And some others said, there's something wrong.
	You know, I have like a sensation that just won't go away.
	And when they stopped using it, it lasted for a few days and then they were fine.
	And some others even had ringing in that ear where they always put an AirPod.
	So why is it happening to this person and not this other person?
	It's really, you know, individual genetics, their diet, probably how much time they spend indoors.
	Maybe it has to do with their skin color.
	Maybe it has to do with their epigenetics, everything they were exposed to.
	But one thing is sure that at this moment, I can tell you from these doctors who treat mystery illness, it is on the rise.
	And there are more and more teenagers that are having these health impacts that are just bizarre and saying, I think, you know, the AirPods are to be blamed.
	And it just shows you that even if you feel it or not, it's happening on a cellular level.
	But when the stimuli become so aggressive to the body that the body needs to respond and tell you, look, there's something wrong in your ear right here and it gives you a headache, listen to it.
	Please, no, thank you for that.
	I'm sorry to interrupt, but please pay attention or keep me posted.
	If you hear anybody talking about the fact that, for example, white kids, especially white kids who are very sensitive to sunlight, the kids that easily burn, who are pasty white, who never go outside, I would not be surprised if they have much higher risk or they develop symptoms more easily for that very reason, what we're talking about here.
	I'm not trying to make this racial.
	It's about the function of melanin in the skin.
	I mean, it has an electromagnetic function to block electromagnetism or ultraviolet rays specifically.
	So this is very interesting to me.
	But for our audience watching, if you have children or grandchildren who are pasty, pasty, white, Okay, that might be an indication of a problem right there anyway.
	They're not getting outside.
	They're not getting exercise enough.
	They're probably spending too much time on screens, but they may have even extra vulnerability to all those signals that we are talking about.
	I'm not saying that we've, you know, it's not conclusive, but this is something to pay attention to.
	It is.
	And there are many reasons to think that certain people are more at risk.
	I'd say that at the moment, one thing is clear: the fetuses are more at risk than any other child, an unborn child.
	That makes sense just based on brain development.
	So I would say if there's the number one thing that I took away from doing all these interviews with world-class experts around EMS and children was really pregnancy is the moment you want to be very careful with your exposures.
	So when my wife was pregnant, she was using an EMF blocking blanket that can be bought easily on the internet.
	It's not completely ludicrous prices.
	Usually it's affordable, $50, $75 kind of thing.
	And it's not very expensive for something that can potentially help your child develop a brain that is normal or that is healthy.
	So make sure to use it and not use your growing belly as a laptop tablet, which I see many pregnant moms.
	And it's not a blame on them.
	Of course, they don't know better.
	When they are informed about EMFs, you see them taking other steps.
	And for my wife, it was an easy transition to learn about this and to say, oh, yes, the baby is growing.
	It's probably not good for the baby.
	So I think moms do the absolute best with the information they have.
	But please make sure to be aware of that and not put the phone very close to the belly either.
	If you're, you know, scrolling on social media, like I see so many people doing.
	And as far as young children, if I can give one tip, is when children start to use tablets, if you want to have them use tablets sparingly in a controlled manner, which I recommend, you know, screen time before three-year-old is controversial.
	Most experts would say, you know, no screen time.
	But you, as a parent, is the only person that's responsible to take these decisions for your kids.
	What I did is very little screen time, but on a tablet that is connected with an Ethernet cable and not the Wi-Fi.
	And that's important.
	Not a lot of people realize that even a tablet can be connected with, let's say, a USB-C2 Ethernet converter.
	It's a little gizmo you would purchase on any electronic store, and then an Ethernet cable that goes in your router.
	So you don't have to have the tablet emit and blast the child with Wi-Fi radiation.
	And you can also do something else that's different.
	Even if you use Wi-Fi at home, you can pre-download a lot of these shows or games and anything that can be used offline.
	You can pre-download it and make sure the tablet has the Wi-Fi off and then hand it to the kids.
	So that's something I do.
	If there's a long commute with my kid Elliot, and we know, you know, we're going to go to New Brunswick soon, 12-hour drive, maybe we'll have a movie in the car.
	That's fine, but it will have been pre-downloaded.
	So you don't have to be streaming it.
	Streaming it is a very EMF-causing activity, but having it pre-downloaded is zero radiation right there.
	So if you can change your habits around how you use these tablets, you will greatly reduce the risks of this tech on your kids.
	That's great information.
	I want to remind our viewers here: this entire docu series streams free of charge beginning August 23rd at brightu.com.
	Here's where you can sign up.
	Again, it's free, one-episode streams each day on a continuous loop.
	And you can also optionally purchase the entire series and download it and watch it on your own schedule.
	And Nick, I'd like to ask you a couple of just basic fact questions, and then I want to get into some of the experts that you feature in this.
	Sure.
	But today, are you aware, what's the average age at which a child in, let's say, Western culture gets their own device, either a phone or a tablet?
	Like, how young is that now?
	And then what's the average Number of hours per day that a child is spending on such a device.
	No, geez, I haven't looked the statistics up in a few years, I think, because it gets me depressed, to be honest.
	It used to be several hours per day.
	I think for teenagers, it must be, you know, north of nine to 10 hours of screen time per day in average.
	It must be something like that.
	But of course, it includes, you know, laptop, TV, and essentially it's from, you know, when you wake up to when you go down to sleep.
	It's all day, every day with screen time, non-stop.
	This choice is controversial in politics, but I think that not having the cell phones in schools will lead to benefits in many levels.
	That's something that here in Quebec and Montreal, they will start next month when there's the new school year across all high schools throughout the province.
	And it might be throughout Canada.
	I cannot recall.
	So I think that's great on many levels.
	It will reduce their exposure.
	And of course, it will reduce their screen time.
	But one thing is sure, with the so-called pandemic that happened, the screen time went up in a parabolic fashion.
	So it was already very high in 2019 and early 2020.
	It only went up.
	And of course, some kids had to be on a laptop for their remote work and remote schooling.
	But for the vast majority of parents are not aware of EMF danger.
	So they don't have Ethernet cables.
	They don't have a safe computing setup.
	So you're exposing yourself to more and more and more Wi-Fi.
	So the reality is that the screen time and exposure is way too much.
	And even if it's not screen time, what I'm concerned about is cell phone placement during the day.
	If you're not looking at it, but you place it in your pocket.
	To me, that's additional exposure right there.
	You know, not just to me, but just to your overall cumulative exposure.
	So we have to also teach our kids to be careful about these things and make sure the phone is on airplane mode.
	If it's in a pocket, it's a hard sell.
	What can I tell you?
	This goes against all of society.
	This goes against everyone that you see tucking the phone in the pants.
	But what alarms me when it comes to another angle on this is fertility is dropping to next to none.
	Testosterone is dropping to next to none.
	And we know there's many, many teenagers that have just a hard time with any aspect of, I don't know, masculine development and taking responsibility and all these things.
	And they're all related to this sort of hormonal disruption that we're getting not only in adults, but in young men.
	And I think the cell phone in the pocket at a minimum should be partially blamed.
	And we know it reduces sperm count, sperm, you know, it will reduce certain markers of sperm quality.
	So it's something that at a minimum should be communicated to teenagers to try to save the next generation.
	I don't know how else to put it, really.
	Well, I agree with you.
	I'm glad you brought this up.
	And as you know, as your experts talk about in your summit, there are a multitude of factors that interfere with hormonal balance, with fertility, reproductive organs, both in men and women.
	Of course, you know, there are estrogen disruptors, estrogen mimickers, plastics, you know, all kinds of things and heavy metals and much more.
	But you're right.
	See, and I think the picture that we're painting here today is that we already lived in a very toxic world even before everybody had a mobile phone on their body all day long.
	And that leads me to my next question of where all of this is going.
	Because as you know, RFK Jr., the secretary of HHS, has said he's pushing wearables now.
	So wearables takes these devices and puts them on your body or even in your body in some cases, like in your ear canal.
	But it places devices on your body, on your wrist, on your fingers, embedded to monitor blood glucose, monitor who knows what else down the road?
	Monitor your medication compliance, monitor your moods, monitor your heart disease risk, right?
	All these things.
	Isn't this just going to make this situation far worse than what it is today in terms of exposure?
	You bet.
	Yeah, it was very bad news in a sense when I heard that from RFK Jr.
	I know that there is the intention behind it to help people take responsibility for the health or maybe have a little bit more information without have go see a doctor.
	But there are so many risks associated with this idea that I think overall it was just a very catastrophic type of statement that RFK Jr. made.
	There is one wearable that I use and this is this Uru ring that you see me using.
	The only reason I'm able to use it with good conscience is that it stores the data in the ring and it doesn't emit 24-7 if you keep it on airplane mode.
	So it means that, in other words, what happens is that each time it's tracking my sleep is just storing it, believe it or not, inside a hard drive somewhere in this little ring.
	How most other wearables are built is that it has to be connected to your phone.
	Imagine this ring pulsing, pulsing, pulsing, and just connecting and sending the data to this phone.
	If I turn off the ring, you know, it wouldn't store any data locally or I turn up the connection.
	So my concern there is, look, we already know there are risks to brain development, to sleep quality, to hormonal status, and everything else in between that we talked about.
	Now you tell me you're going to tell every citizen to have a wearable pulsing on their wrist or in their ear or a necklace pulsing on near their heart.
	It just doesn't make sense because the industry still follows those rules based on, you know, five monkeys and eight rats.
	So if we cleaned up the tech industry, could we have relatively safe devices?
	I think we could, but we're not there yet.
	I hope that we can fix the situation, incentivize companies who actually care about your health to develop safer technologies like these.
	But for the moment, I don't see that happening in a widespread manner.
	So all in all, and because of the fact that many of these companies can recuperate your data and potentially in the future use it against you, I'm very against this thought that everyone should have wearables.
	I think it's probably 20 years too early as an announcement.
	Yeah, good point.
	And I'm glad you mentioned that because I wanted to bring that up.
	The other big risk of wearables is that your data gets sent to a technology company.
	It's in the cloud somewhere.
	And as you know, the White House has just recently announced this big, well, plus HHS announcing we're going to reform medicine.
	We're going to bring in Google, which in my mind is one of the most evil corporations on the planet.
	We're going to bring in genetics companies, wearables companies, AI companies, all kinds of AI, open AI, which is not open, it's closed.
	We're going to bring all this in to make all of your medical data shareable across the spectrum of medical providers.
	And I'm thinking, I don't want my medical data to be shareable.
	I don't even want you to have it, you know, like the first company.
	Because look what happened with 23andMe.
	People sent in their saliva samples.
	23andMe goes bankrupt.
	A pharmaceutical or some other kind of industry, a biotech company, I think, bought it.
	So now they have your data.
	And what are they going to do with your data?
	They could sell it.
	Or also, Dick, it could be hacked.
	How many times have hackers gone in and stolen all the data from a company?
	So your heart rate, you know, your medications, your sleeping habits, the hours of the day that you sleep, your exercise habits, even from some of these devices, they could derive how often you have sex.
	And do you want corporations having that data to be weaponized against you?
	No.
	I mean, it could go so far.
	I used to, to be quite Honest, I think it was, you know, years ago, I used to be a little bit more naive and coming from this background, you know, I'm from Montreal, progressive city, if you will.
	And I was like, well, I have nothing to hide.
	I'm not really, you know, concerned about privacy.
	The government can know everything about me.
	But then when I actually looked into case examples of how the data could be used against me, I started feeling a little bit uneasy.
	You know, well, Nick, it looks like you had sex, you know, less often these days.
	Do you want Viagra?
	You know, right, right.
	No, wait a minute.
	And then, and then that's just almost a funny example.
	But if now the insurance company tells me, well, Nick, I've detected that you woke up at 3 a.m. and had cake, and now we're going to increase your premium.
	I'm like, wait a minute, it feels invasive, right?
	So, and this is just the beginning because, of course, when we ended up in Montreal with the pandemic restrictions that were among the worst in the world, all of a sudden I felt like, wait a minute, if they could see, they could see in real time where I'm going, what I'm doing, and now how I respond to certain news.
	Like, I don't know, if the prime minister says something and they feel my blood boiling, it's like, oh, this guy is against the government, right?
	It can become, it can become such, it can create a sort of nightmare for society to have all this data in the hands of people who love control.
	That's now I'm actually more concerned about it than ever.
	So I've really evolved my thinking about it.
	And I think, you know, that people who were the who emitted these early concerns years and years and years ago about privacy, I think they were right and too right in fact.
	Yeah.
	And thank you for acknowledging that.
	And we were all called conspiracy theorists for many, many years until it all became abundantly true and obvious.
	And now everybody's saying, whoa, wait a second, maybe we're moving too quickly on this, but it's too late because AI has taken over their jobs and they're being mass fired by AI agents.
	Even the termination letters are written by the AI that fired them.
	So the humans are being cut out of loop.
	That's a different topic.
	Let me go back and ask you about some of the key speakers and experts that you feature in your summit.
	Sure.
	One of them that was really, you know, almost a bucketless moment interview for me was a journalist from Sweden called Mona Nilsson.
	Mona co-authored eight different case studies on 5G harms.
	So what she did with Dr. Leonard Hardell, that epidemiologist I told you about about 30 minutes ago, they looked at different families that got sick when a 5G antenna was installed.
	And they have the entire case study where they looked at, you know, their previous medical history and it's very, very detailed.
	And these were case studies that they published starting in around 2021 until today in peer-reviewed journals.
	So I don't know what peer-reviewed journals accepted this controversial information somehow, but they were able to publish.
	And it's very shocking because you can see that in certain situations, even if you reduce your own exposure or reduce, you know, do what you can to minimize how much you use devices and whatnot, if the towers are too close, there's no way on earth that you can feel good in this environment, even if you were not initially predisposed to feeling, you know, this sort of electrosensitivity.
	So what they've identified is that the placement of these towers is extremely concerning and in some situations might make people sick within about two weeks.
	And you have examples of children having nosebleeds, of anxiety, of workers becoming completely in a sort of state that looks like chronic fatigue.
	You know, it's as if you've been partying all night, but you know, you went to sleep early.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	But you're trying to live next to an exposure that is so toxic, it's completely impossible to understand.
	So what is concerning to me in the end is that while these case studies have been published in Sweden and even in Sweden, it's a losing proposition.
	All the government is in bed with the big telecoms there, Ericsson and whatnot.
	But in the US and in Canada, the rules are so permissive that this is commonly seen.
	You have cell towers right next to people's bedroom.
	You have cell towers on top of churches, and then the person that lives right next to it is within a few feet.
	You have the cell towers going up near school.
	So it's just very concerning.
	But at least one that gave me more hope.
	This one left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
	But the interview with Zen Honecott, you might be familiar with Zen's work with moms across America.
	She shared how her son got sick from Wi-Fi in school because it was sitting right underneath a router.
	But that's not just a bad story.
	In fact, she talks about the fact that she was able to talk with the school board and she learned through that experience that they could easily put one router in the corridor where it would be much safer because distance matters.
	If you're sitting right underneath a router, you're getting an immense exposure every day.
	And if you're sitting, you know, 20 feet away and it's in the next room or in the corridor, the exposure is probably reduced by 10,000 fold.
	So what she was able to find out is that the reasons the IT companies place one router that is industrial strength per classroom is that they're paid per router, right?
	So again, you have players in the industry, whether it's tech installator or tech industry that just want to make money and they think everything is safe or they want to have this cognitive dissonance.
	Oh, no, everything is safe.
	You know, these five monkeys and eight rats safety studies kind of thing.
	Oh, it's very good.
	So they convince themselves that it's very good.
	But in reality, they install many times too many routers in schools.
	And of course, the safest way to use these tablets and laptops would be to have everything wired with Ethernet cables.
	But even if you do use Wi-Fi, there are ways to minimize how many of these machines we use.
	So right now, we're essentially in a state of perpetual tech junk food when it comes to these routers and everything in between the Internet of Things and the sensors that they install.
	So what was nice about Zen's talk is that she focused on her entire story and how you're able to bring this information to school boards.
	Because in the end, look, society will, I think, prevail with tech and we will force the tech industry to develop healthier technologies.
	The question is, will it happen in 100 years where I think it will be too late when it comes to the health of the population?
	Or will it happen sooner because we demand safer technology?
	So it means bringing these issues to school boards, to politicians, and voting with your dollars.
	So Zen is just such a fighter.
	She inspires me.
	And I realized that I could do more even in my local community to change things.
	There's a movie called Children of Men starring Clive Owen, I believe.
	In that movie, it's a dystopian sci-fi future where no one can have children anymore on the planet except there's one baby born on the whole planet.
	And the movie centers around that.
	If we look in history, we see that the Roman Empire fell for a number of reasons.
	You could argue, you know, military conquest, overreaching of supply chains, monetary obligations, internal corruption, etc.
	But they also lined their water aqueducts with lead.
	Bad idea.
	Right.
	Now, lead is a very malleable material.
	It's easy to hammer into shape.
	It's a soft metal.
	That's why it was wonderful to use on aqueducts.
	And I've seen these aqueducts myself, obviously in some of the ruins of the Roman Empire.
	And, you know, when you put these blocks in place, you have kind of cracks between the blocks.
	And those cracks would leak water.
	So instead, you hammer lead into the cracks.
	You use lead as kind of a filler.
	Well, the problem is That the water that fed the Roman Empire was mostly rainwater runoff from the high elevation mountainous regions, right?
	And rainwater is naturally slightly acidic.
	So, as the water was flowing over the lead, it was ionizing and releasing lead ions into the water that the people of Rome were drinking, which is one reason why they all went insane.
	But the reason I mention this, obviously, is because I'm seeing the same thing now.
	Major portions of our leadership are completely insane.
	I mean, I don't even have to say why, because this is America, they're insane.
	And our population, people are going insane.
	Like every day, there's some other insane announcement that I can't even believe is happening.
	Let's put 100% tariffs on India for some reason.
	You know, it's like what?
	But there's mass insanity.
	And my question to you, Nick, and maybe this is in the conspiracy theory category, but aren't we putting our whole civilization at risk if we don't recognize this issue?
	Oh, we are.
	I think it's already ongoing.
	You know, part of me is difficult because, you know, just listening to informing yourself, you know, is with an event like this can be very discouraging.
	And for me, it is a sort of discouraging work I'm doing.
	And for you too, at times, I'm sure.
	But the reality is that I think we can react about it two ways.
	We see the train wreck that is happening with society and we sit there and we say, look, we're all doomed and we live in a sort of depressive, cynical state.
	Nothing can be changed and we're doomed and everything is lost.
	Or we sort of hold this belief that, no, we have to fix things and it's getting worse.
	And when it comes to EMFs, it's getting worse.
	When it comes to many things, it's getting worse.
	I don't think all the topics are getting worse.
	I think that certain things have progressed in the last few years.
	But I have to keep the hope.
	And I guess, I don't know, it's a bit of a philosophical twist here, but I guess it's because I have a child now and I'm like, oh, geez, like if I say we're doomed, what am I doing?
	Right.
	What am I doing leaving kids to their, you know, to this demise, to this, this apocalypse that we're seeing?
	But I must say, when I started studying EMFs, 2017, I released my book, I had these exact thoughts.
	I said, if the info I'm reading right now is correct, we're going to see in the next years that everyone is kind of becoming at least partially crazy, to very crazy, to back.
	No, but I'm about to swear here.
	But anyway, you know what I want to say?
	Crazy.
	Anyway, I think some of the stuff I'm seeing on a regular basis is extremely concerning.
	And I feel like I feel like the biggest realization I had with everything that happened with a pandemic that wasn't one and everyone panicking in the world is how little judgment people have left.
	Not people who watch this, because I think you're in a different category and you're starting to, you know, you're trying to think for yourself, but a large percentage of the population, especially here in Montreal, to just talk about what I know, was just following along.
	And I was like, guys, don't you realize none of it makes sense?
	And the data, and you know, I was looking at the studies and look, anyone can do this if you, you know, put your mind to it and think for yourself.
	And for a lot of people, they were glued to the TV and very content to just, no, we're just, we'll just follow along and flatten the curve for two weeks.
	My take is, yeah, the people of America think the people of Montreal are crazy.
	And the people of Canada think the people of America are insane.
	And guess what?
	They're both right.
	They're both right.
	Because that's the point.
	It's a universal problem.
	And again, I think a lot of it comes back to lack of sunlight, lack of clean food, Exposure to all these toxins.
	EMF is one vector.
	Heavy metals is another vector.
	Fluoride, you know, for God's sake, which we're just not taking out of the water supply in certain cities in the U.S., but not other cities and so on.
	And some parents are running out and getting prescription pills for fluoride to make sure that their babies get extra fluoride as a prescription drug, and the doctors are prescribing it.
	It's a neurotoxin.
	But if you're wondering why people are insane, it's, I mean, we document it here on the show, just like today.
	And we're almost out of time here, Nick.
	Although this has opened up a really interesting rabbit hole that we could go down of why is modern civilization going completely batshit crazy, as you were about to say.
	Maybe we'll do that for another episode.
	In the meantime, folks, I want to encourage you to watch the free EMF hazards summit that begins on August 23rd at brightu.com.
	Here's the signup page for it: it's Brighteon University or just brightu, the letter you.com.
	It's free to watch.
	You'll hear from all these experts.
	You can see some of them here in the screenshot.
	And it goes for eight days.
	There's a lot of bonus material available to you if you decide to purchase it.
	And you're going to learn a wealth of information far beyond what we were able to discuss here in this one hour.
	Nick, is there anything you'd like to add to this before we wrap it up today?
	No, I'll just say something that I realize because a lot of the experts that I featured on this series just have the same type of energy to them.
	It's hard to describe.
	It's a sort of kindness.
	It's a sort of humility.
	I feel it from you, Mike.
	I feel it from certain scientists that I talk to.
	It's also people that are not completely blinded by their ego and generally they want to help each other out.
	And I also realize that the more I detoxify myself, the more I feel that.
	So I feel like what I realized in the last year is: yes, we're going crazy and people are, you know, trying to strangle each other.
	And I'm going to burn your Tesla.
	No, I'm going to do this, do that, and throw rocks.
	And, you know, we devolve when we get more toxic.
	And I think we can continue to spread good information to people.
	And the better they feel, the less they will act like that.
	And the more they will be able to see that sometimes there are gray areas.
	And if we don't agree, we don't have to kill each other.
	You know, so I think this sort of kindness and wanting peace and wanting a sort of justice in society or a planet that we respect, we don't destroy.
	I think it all comes down to detoxing ourselves because I think somehow it's linked with all these toxic exposures.
	At least it's making it much worse.
	I think we are losing civility when we are overexposed.
	That's just, I guess, my hypothesis of the year here.
	You know, that's a really important point.
	I'm glad you brought that up.
	And I think I'll make that even the title of this segment.
	But are you familiar with the I've forgotten the scientist's name, but the mouse utopia experiments?
	No.
	Let me bring that up.
	Or maybe it was rats.
	Let me bring it up.
	The mouse utopia.
	Oh, here it is.
	John Calhoun.
	Okay.
	So John Calhoun, he conducted studies at the National Institute of Mental Health in the 1960s and 70s.
	And he placed these four pairs of healthy mice in a very large metal pen, nine feet wide, designed to be a perfect environment with unlimited food and water, unlimited nesting space, a stable temperature, no predators, no disease, no need to forage.
	Okay.
	So it was utopia.
	And within, I think, how many generations was it?
	Within some number of generations, not very many, the entire population died out because they destroyed themselves.
	They became incredibly violent against each other.
	There began to also be gender role changes where some of the females would take on male traits and the male rats would begin to act like females.
	And then some of the females spent their time preening and they would reject all mates and they would no longer even take care of their offspring.
	They would abandon their babies, etc.
	And this is a shocking experiment because it shows that if you don't have a if you don't have an environment where people have to compete and learn and expend effort to get things, then it becomes a self-destroying society.
	And that was without heavy metals.
	That was without mobile phones.
	I mean, just the social aspects or the anthropological aspects, I guess you could say, destroyed that society.
	And there were no survivors, even with unlimited food and water.
	That's something to look at.
	Imagine if they put in mobile phones, like little mouse phones.
	Yeah, well, we know it causes behavioral problems.
	So I have no doubt they would accelerate their demise.
	And yeah, it's as if, you know, even the rats feel that if you have a lack of significance, you're essentially dead already.
	You know, it is something that I think is a struggle for many, but just something I've been thinking about, and I think I can leave you with that today.
	But I've been thinking about the fact that many people, even among that, Make America Healthy Again movement, and am I part of it?
	Am I not part of it?
	It depends on what day of the week it is.
	But in reality, a lot of people just feel demoralized and are just waiting for any reason to say, oh, I told you so.
	Nothing will ever change in this world.
	And I fear for these people that are thinking that way, because it is something that puts you closer to the grave.
	So I'm trying to stay prudently optimist, even when it makes no sense.
	But this is the way that we fight back against something that I perceive as, you know, evil in this world.
	I'm not a religious man, but I do perceive that some people do such evil things that I have to use this word.
	It's not just harming people.
	It is a complete discontent for life.
	So I hope that people start to see that this demoralization is not only something that we tell ourselves, that we tell others, but also that is weaponized against us.
	So we have to not believe it too much, that thought that nothing will change and some evil people are controlling everything.
	It's always going to be that way.
	Well, it's a self-perpetuating story that we tell ourselves.
	So let's get away from that and just try to build a better future and hold that intention for the future.
	It's a bit of a spiritual ending here, but that's how I feel about it.
	I feel like so many people are demoralized.
	It makes me demoralized sometimes.
	So I have to get off social media in that case and just reconnect with myself, go in the sun a little bit and say, no, in fact, we can do something about it.
	That's well said, Nick.
	And this is why I spend time in nature every single day.
	I block out time to be in nature.
	And if I showed you a photo of my exercise gym, it's actually a bunch of dip bars and push-up bars and kettlebells in a forest with the dirt and the leaves and the trees.
	That's where I exercise.
	I don't exercise indoors.
	And I go out and run with my dogs.
	And then I do kettlebells while they catch their breath for 30 minutes because it's so hot they can't get cool.
	So we do the best we can, but we're in the shade in the forest.
	But folks, reconnect with your humanity.
	And to do that, you got to reconnect with nature and get informed about all of this.
	So last call here, sign up at brightu.com.
	It's the word bright followed by the letter U. You can register right now.
	And the actual streaming begins August 23rd.
	This will teach you about the dangers and many of the protection strategies that can help you reconnect with who you really are and avoid all this toxicity.
	So Nick, thank you so much for putting this together and for sharing your thoughts with us today.
	It's been a great conversation.
	Thank you, Mike.
	I enjoyed it very much.
	Me too.
	And God bless all of you in Montreal too, by the way.
	Not all Americans despise Canadians.
	And I know it's not the other way around either.
	No, that's true.
	Yeah.
	I think universally, all of us in America and in Canada, we mostly don't trust our own leaders.
	I think that's pretty much universal.
	But people to people, we're all cool with each other and we love Canadians.
	So thank you all for watching today.
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