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July 30, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dennis Kucinich joins Mike Adams for powerful PEACE advocacy...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighttown.com.
And we've got a very special guest coming up here, former Congressman Dennis Kucinich, whose voice has been one of courage with a pro-humanitarian emphasis.
And he has not backed down.
He has not compromised.
He has not given in to the warmongers and the violence and the ethnic cleansing and all the things that we are all called upon to support.
And I have rejected it just as our guest, Dennis Kucinich.
Again, former Congressman Dennis Kucinich.
His website is kucinich.com, which will take you to his Substack page.
I'll show you that in a minute.
But welcome to the show, Congressman Kucinich, or former Congressman Kucinich.
What's the correct title to use for you today?
Dennis.
Dennis?
Okay.
All right.
Well, I don't rest on formality.
You know, I've been a councilman, a clerk of courts, a mayor of Cleveland, state senator, congressman, presidential candidate.
Dennis, it works.
Well, Dennis, I'm always honored to have this conversation with you, and I'm honored to know you and to have been able to speak with you a couple of times previously.
So again, welcome.
Here we are at the end of July 2025.
Trump has shortened his threat of a deadline against Russia to 10 to 12 days rather than the 50 days.
Trump just opened up, ended the restrictions of NVIDIA H20 GPU microchips to China so that China can purchase those microchips to pursue even more rapid AI development.
What do you make of the current situation, U.S., Russia, and China?
Well, let's first talk about Russia.
We all remember that President Trump made this statement that he'd settled a Russia-Ukrainian war in a day.
Would that he had moved in that direction?
Unfortunately, the temper rising that's come out of the White House has set the stage for an elongation of the war.
And the attempts of the Biden administration to try to use sanctions to punish Russia proved to be futile.
Russia has actually improved its economic position, taking a different direction with the way it manages its economy away from the United States.
Now, what I'm concerned about, Mike, I'd like to know what you think about this, is that with the president enmeshed in this Epstein matter, I'm concerned that this shortened timeframe to deal with Russia,
in addition to that, the placing of nuclear weapons, they moved him from New Mexico to an Air Force base in eastern England, that he's ratcheting up these tensions with Russia.
And it could be a handy way to try to deflect public attention from what's going on with the Epstein matter.
I'm very concerned about that because he wouldn't be the first president to do it.
I mean, more recently, that's what President Clinton did when he was in trouble with Monica Lewinsky.
You found a way to bomb what proved to be a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
Presidents have enormous power.
They can direct the attention of the world in certain places.
And I think right now the president wants very much to direct the attention of the world away from the Epstein matter.
And, you know, some of his advisors may be saying, hey, just ratchet it up, whether it's Russia or Iran or even China.
Because as we know, with respect to China, there is still that ongoing tension with Taiwan.
And so the president has a choice of places to start to stir it up.
And unfortunately, as he's doing that, people in Gaza are starving and they're being murdered.
And what do I think of it?
The people of the United States and the people of the world deserve better from an American leader.
I agree with your assessment.
And I want to be clear also in this conversation and to our audience that the U.S. has absolutely abandoned any moral high ground in the fact that it is complicit in the mass starvation and the genocide of the Palestinian people.
And yes, it is a genocide.
You know, Mike, you just used a word, moral.
Yes.
And the thing about our nation that we've always wanted to believe about ourselves is that we're moral people.
You know, we may, any one of us, you know, every one of us has feet of clay, but we always aspire to be better.
Crown thy good with brotherhood.
You know, there's a thing about America, there's so much that's beautiful that we know about, but what we're seeing lately isn't beautiful at all.
It's horrific.
And as Mike has pointed out, we are occupying the moral low ground when it comes to Gaza.
And that's never where America should be, ever, ever, in our history.
We were always to be the, in the words of the writer, a shining city on a hill, to be the example for the rest of the world.
And Dennis, I have to add, I'm sorry to interrupt, but there are severe economic and currency consequences for our lack of morality.
Because when the United States demonstrated the moral high ground and was opposed to violations of human rights, or at least strongly pretended to, the world was more apt to trust in the, quote, full faith and credit of the United States government, which is what's backing the dollar and effectively the Treasury bond market.
But now, today, what I'm really struck by is the fact that as Trump is negotiating with countries like Brazil or China or Russia, those countries are telling the United States: no, we are not going to bow down to your demands.
You have no leverage over us.
That's been the message from those three countries I just mentioned, and many more.
So we have not only lost the moral high ground, we have lost the leverage.
We have lost the credibility in the eyes of the international community, have we not?
We have, but let's look at some of the reasons why and how that's happened.
A major reason is war.
The United States now spends over $1 trillion a year.
It's 50% of our disposable income, on war or preparing for war.
The war in, you know, as a member of Congress, I challenged our position in Afghanistan and said we need to get out.
I led the effort against the war in Iraq, led the effort against the war in Libya, said, look, we have to work for peace in Lebanon and Syria, stop what was going on in Gaza.
This was years ago, with not just the settlers, excuse me, in the West Bank, but also the slow and murderous cadence that was facing the people of Gaza as a result of the Israeli government's decisions.
And as you note, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, and other nations have formed an organization called BRICS, which is really adverse to the economic interest of America because when these other countries stop using the U.S. dollar,
the primacy of the U.S. dollar has been the way that we've been able to, it has been part of the engine of economic growth in America.
It gives our economy elasticity.
It enables people to be able to invest in the United States.
And as the U.S. loses that, our debts are going to keep increasing.
The quality of life will decline in this country.
And the United States should not be setting itself apart from the world.
We can be, you know, we want to be a great nation, but greatness doesn't mean that you isolate yourself from the world.
And it also means that one must be very careful about the use of military power.
And today, with the threat of nuclear Armageddon that seems to hang over humanity like a sort of Damocles, our leaders have a special moral responsibility to protect our American homeland, but also not to use nuclear weapons anyplace else, because this is no surprise, radiation spreads with the wind around the world.
Any attack anywhere using nuclear weapons can hurt our country and hurt people everywhere.
So President Kennedy said it many years ago.
We've learned to live together as brothers and sisters, and families can have big differences.
We all know that.
But if we don't do that, we could perish as fools.
And this is a time for steadfast wisdom, not for polarizing, not for ratcheting up tensions, but for finding a way to work out our differences without the military.
And, you know, military is always the last resource in a country.
You don't want to use it unless the U.S. itself is threatened militarily.
Then it's your obligation.
Clearly.
But right now, we're holding a gun and we're pointing it all over the world.
Your words resonate with a lot of wisdom, and our audience is hearing them in great contrast to the words of Senator Lindsey Graham.
Senator Lindsey Graham is talking like the crazy cowboy at the bar who wants to start a fight with everybody running around.
I will punch you in the face.
But he's doing that to Russia, making all these threats to Russia.
And in the last day, Medvedev, former president of Russia, got into it verbally with Lindsey Graham and basically told Senator Graham to go stuff it.
But this kind of rhetoric from a prominent U.S. senator whose voice is amplified throughout the Western media, how does this impact the ability of Trump and Putin to even talk or to find some common ground?
Well, it does impact it.
And, you know, I'd like to say from the outset as we talk about Lindsey Graham, I know Lindsey Graham.
I've served with him in the House of Representatives at the beginning of my career in Congress.
He and I got along.
We traveled together.
He can be very funny.
He is very smart.
And I wish that he would just dial it back.
You know, if I was to talk to him now, I'd say, hey, Lindsay, cool it.
You know, we don't need to prove we're the most powerful nation in the world.
We've got to protect our economy to make sure that we are.
But everyone knows that we have this great destructive military power and atomic weapons.
We don't need to prove anything.
But I just say, Lindsay, my friend, just cool it.
You don't have to carry these battles worldwide.
Let's focus on taking care of things in South Carolina, in North Carolina, where they've had some tough times with floods.
Let's start taking, focus on America, my friend, Lindsay.
That's what I would tell him if I was talking right now.
What do you think Russia's posture says about their intentions moving forward?
Let me adjust this to give a better view.
There we go.
Didn't mean to block you there with my laptop.
But from Russia's point of view, how are their priorities lining up of how they wish to see this special military operation concluded?
Well, I think they have been moving towards conclusion of it.
Now, I don't want to see anybody killed.
I'm heartbroken over what's happened to the people of Ukraine.
But I was also heartbroken over what was going on to the people of Ukraine who lived in the eastern provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk were under attack, and 14,000 of them died before this more formal conflict happened.
And Russia had a constitutional obligation to step in and to protect the Russian-speaking people in the Donbass.
They did.
The United States, it must be realized, in 2014 overthrew the government of Ukraine so that they could position a, you know, together with NATO, be in a forward position to be able to put increased pressure on Russia.
The encirclement that we saw over a decade prior to that was part of this idea that Russia could be dominated.
Well, Russia was not dominated.
They weren't dominated by the blowing up of the pipeline.
They weren't dominated by the sanctions.
This idea that somehow we are going to defeat Russia is a folly because Russia has more nuclear weapons than we have.
And the fact, Mike, that the Department of Defense, no doubt with the President's approval, moved nuclear weapons, thermonuclear weapons into the UK.
So they're in a forward position, potentially to be used against Russia, is insanity.
It's insanity.
Russia's missiles are, they're well equipped with their missiles.
They can deliver these things.
We in America, aside from 9-11 and before that, Pearl Harbor, we don't have the same kind of experience that other nations have had in being devastated by these weapons.
And we really need to go back to our moral compass here, as you talked about at the beginning of this program.
We need to look at the commonalities that we have as human beings.
The thing that I remember years ago when I was playing sports football for St. John Kansas High School in Cleveland, Ohio.
And when we play on a team from another neighborhood, we'd think, my God, those kids have to be so different than we are.
And, you know, we got to beat them.
They're just different.
And, you know, we have ingrained into us this idea that people are just different from who we are.
I've traveled the world.
People are pretty much the same.
The human genome theory says we're 99.9% all made of the same stuff.
Yes.
Which is why this great human tragedy of being pulled into war by politicians who are looking for some advantage needs to be called out.
I completely agree.
And I want to give out your website.
Folks, if you go to kucinich.com, that's K-U-C-I-N-I-C-H, that will forward you to Dennis' Substack page, which is kucinichreport.substack.com.
And there you can see his articles and links to videos and interviews and many other things there.
So be sure to check that out.
And what you just said, Dennis, I think is really key, that we are more than 99% the same, all of us, human beings.
I believe we are all children of God.
We all have dignity, the right to human dignity.
And yet, right now, some people believe that they are specifically chosen by God above all others to have the right to slaughter their neighbors.
So that brings us, obviously, to the Middle East and to Gaza.
And you and I both agree that the United States continuing to provide weapons, bombs, military intelligence, and so on to Israel makes the U.S. complicit in this heinous ethnic cleansing slash genocide war crime.
We have seen recently the President of France announcing that he intends to recognize the Palestinian state.
And then just in the last day, Kier Starmer of the U.K. announced that if a peace agreement is not reached shortly, that he may or his country may recognize Palestine by September.
Of course, there's been a tremendous amount of pushback on that by Marco Rubio, as well as President Trump and obviously Netanyahu.
Do you think that because of all the images of starving children now getting a lot of traction and horrifying people around the world, has Israel finally run up against the limit of its cruelty against other human beings?
Yes.
But the cruelty will continue.
The deception, even about delivering food supplies, that continues, it's ongoing.
The fact that they shut all media out so that people can't actually get independent reports about what's going on.
Look, let's get real here.
They have a plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
And if it means killing everyone there, they're going to do it.
I mean, wake up, world.
This is going on right in front of our eyes.
And if you're not looking, it's going on anyway.
People are being murdered because of their ethnicity.
People are being starved to death because Of their ethnicity.
People are being denied water and food and health care.
Their schools have been blown up, colleges, universities, you know, doctors killed, hospitals ruined.
But the Israeli government, led by not just Benjamin Netanyahu, but by Mrs. Smotrich and Ben Geveer, have taken us into the darkest period since the 1930s in the world, when Jews were rounded up and murdered by the Nazis.
How in the world can people in Israel not understand the suffering of the people of Gaza?
How can they not know what it means?
I mean, this, you know, I believe in what is called, you know, in Hebrew is called tikkun olam, that we're here to heal the world.
And you don't heal the world by murdering people next door.
You don't heal the world by stealing people's land that they've occupied for generations.
You don't heal the world by misrepresenting what's going on and lying repeatedly, changing everything in an Orwellian way and expressing war as peace, expressing murder as the better reason.
We must regain our humanity or America must.
President Trump must wake up to what's happening.
And if he signed on to this, shame on him.
If he agreed with Netanyahu at the beginning, ah, go ahead, you know, we'll build hotels on the sea there.
I mean, please, you know, we're talking about human beings being murdered for this.
But then it's fundamentally wrong.
But without question, Trump has effectively agreed with this plan because Trump continues to approve the sending of weapons that make it possible.
If Trump were opposed to the actions of Netanyahu, he could, with one order right now, stop the bombs, stop the money, stop the intelligence, stop the cooperation, and he could publicly denounce Netanyahu.
He has done none of those things.
Well, President Biden could have done the same thing, except it's accelerated.
It's accelerated under President Trump.
And, you know, it would be wonderful if he suddenly understood the grim consequences of this, actually to himself as well.
Because what Netanyahu has done and what President Trump has done in connection with Prime Minister Netanyahu is to jeopardize not only Israel and not only the United States, but their own long-term security.
Yes.
Because there's international laws here that are in play.
You cannot only, you know, it's not only relating to those who commit the crime, but to those who are accessories to the crime.
And with the U.S. providing all these weapons to Israel that have been used to kill tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Gazans, this has put, President Trump puts himself at jeopardy of being called before the International Criminal Court, whether the U.S. has signed it or not.
Other nations could get jurisdiction.
Well, as you know, the U.S. only respects the ICC when the ICC is doing the bidding of the West.
But when the ICC names Netanyahu or Gevir or others as war criminals, the U.S. says the ICC has no power and will not be recognized.
But I believe what you're saying is that because of the complicity, both Joe Biden and Donald Trump could be considered accessories to war crimes by the ICC.
I mean, if you read international law, that's exactly what it means.
But let's look at this.
All of the international institutions that have been established to try to, as the founding of the U.S. said, to protect mankind from the scourge of war, all of those institutions that are set up,
including the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, and a whole range of other institutions and agreements are all being not just attacked, but in some cases shredded in the interest of Israel's plan for Greater Israel to wipe out the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank.
I mean, I don't, you know, I'm sure it's true for you, Mike, and perhaps many of your viewers.
When you think about this, when you just contemplate that in our time, people are being starved to death in pursuit of a political objective, that people are being murdered to force them from this life so they can't even occupy the land that they've lived on for their families' generations.
It's mind-boggling.
How did America come to stand for this?
Who are we as a nation?
This is what we have to confront here.
Well, let me play Devil's advocate for a moment with you on this, because in private conversations I've had with people who support Israel, essentially, when I've debated with them, essentially their argument has come down to the following, and I'd like to direct this to you and ask your response.
Which is that America's geopolitical interest, especially in energy, but also in halting the growth of the influence of China and Russia with the Belt and Road Initiative and the railway that goes now to Tehran, all the way from China,
land routes that we can't control with our naval projection of power, that Israel is doing the hard work that America cannot do itself, that Israel is sacrificing itself to do the killing that is necessary to defend America's interests in the region.
That's the argument, essentially, that I hear from people.
What do you say to that, Dennis?
Do we expect, as Americans, that we can continue to go around the world looking for dragons to slay and it's not going to come home to bite us?
Do people actually believe that?
Are we going to sacrifice tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of Americans in a nuclear confrontation?
Whatever happened to people being able to talk to each other?
Look, all of us, whether it's friendships, family, or whatever, there's conflict.
It's part of being human.
You have disagreements.
Some can be very serious.
But when we start killing people to further our interests, that's not why the United States was formed.
I mean, read the Constitution.
Read the Declaration of Independence.
It was to get away from these conflicts.
One has to, you know, we have to ask ourselves, are we capable as human beings of evolving, of being more than we are and better than we are?
Isn't that what all of our moral codes are about?
Isn't that what every religion that any of us may observe?
Isn't that what it's about?
And if for some reason, those who believe that United States' destiny is to conquer the world and is to put all these other nations in their place, those other nations have people who are willing to fight for their country too.
They have people who love their country too.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
And I would point out, Dennis, that the way the U.S. has interacted with the world since the end of World War II has been in a very commanding, domineering role.
You do what we say or else.
And that has worked until recently.
And now the nations of the world seem to be saying no.
For example, Iran carried out a tremendous amount of damage against Israel in the 12-day missile barrage.
Russia has said no.
We're just going to build out our own economy, our own military technology, our own war infrastructure.
And Russia is now out-producing all of NATO countries combined in terms of munitions and weapons, even under 25,000-plus sanctions from the West, even after being cut off from SWIFT.
China, same thing.
China says no.
We're not going to agree to your terms.
And if you don't like it, we'll cut off all your rare earth minerals.
And Ford can just shut down all your manufacturing plants.
And your defense industry can have no neodymium and other rare earths.
And you can just shut down everything.
The world is saying no, Dennis.
So the equation has changed.
This is what I'm seeing so strongly.
The U.S., but Trump and his officials are still operating as if it's 1992.
That's the issue.
100%.
100%.
Mike, you just put your finger on the failure of American leadership here.
We have the capacity as a country to help our nation adapt to an undreamed of future, but we have to focus on things here at home.
How can you do that when you spend a trillion dollars a year getting ready for war and more once you go to war?
And I was in a briefing today, Mike, where they pointed out that a lot of the basic missile systems that the U.S. would use, the guns that would be used, the tanks that can be used, we've been depleted because we've given so much to Ukraine.
And we don't have the ability to fight a war that's based on tactical means.
What we have, nuclear weapons.
That's pretty much, it's like, you know, you want to, if you're in a conflict, particularly in this world of high technology, you want to be very careful about the escalatory steps.
Yes.
But because of how we've used our resources, it seems that one of the only options we are left with is using nuclear weapons.
That's how we've ignored and wasted our country's resources.
We spent over $5 trillion on the war in Iraq, which we never had to fight.
We spent close to hundreds of billions on the war in Libya.
We've blown so much money helping to support ISIS.
Hello?
And so instead of providing for the common defense, which is one of the purposes of nationhood, we've ventured around the world, spent our defense capital, and now we're saying, well, we've got to spend another trillion dollars a year, forget education, forget health care, forget retirement security, pile it all on the altar of the gods of war.
And you know what?
Goodbye, America, if that's what happens.
We're fighting for the soul of our country right now.
We're fighting for what America really means and what the dream of America has been for the people who founded it so long ago, a constitution that gave us the ability to adapt to an undreamed of future, and yet it's been ripped up, go to war, dominate, kill.
It will come back if we don't restrain This impulse towards this destructive means of dealing with other nations.
And it will come back.
We need to turn things around right now in Gaza.
If France and England are being, you know, feeling queasy about seeing starving people on TV, let me tell you something.
It's only the beginning.
If we let Israel just cleanse this land, kill all the people, and it won't be too long before they're looking at Syria and Lebanon and Iraq.
This megalomaniacal impulse must be set aside in favor of a higher purpose of nationhood, which must always be to take care of our own people first.
I'm really glad you mentioned that because right now it feels like the American people are being fed into a wood chipper.
And we have, for example, sky-high food prices.
Ground beef has never been more expensive in this country.
The dollar has never had less purchasing power than it does today.
It's lost over 98% of its power since 1971 in terms of purchasing power.
At the same time, we are told that health insurance costs are going to skyrocket in the next year.
Some people will pay 70% more next year than they are paying this year.
And that's on top of the 50%, 30%, or 20% increases they've already endured year after year.
I have spoken with elderly people who have told me that they have to choose between living under a roof, buying food, or having health insurance.
They're going to have to let one of them go today, and you fast forward four or five more years, they may have to let two of them go.
We are being driven into poverty while the money goes to AI data centers, the military-industrial complex, and the weaponization of AI technology to be used by the military and by the surveillance grid to surveil the American people under the excuse that we have to catch all the illegals, and therefore we have to surveil the American people at the same time.
You see where I'm going with this?
Well, you're going in a direction that I, I mean, I want to associate myself with what you just said, because we are losing our freedoms.
It's not that we're going to lose our freedoms.
We are losing our freedoms.
And when we see our government pressuring universities to cashier student protesters, it's a First Amendment issue.
Just get swept aside.
Universities, rather than fight, they're just going along.
We've got to get the federal money.
I'm disgusted by that, by the way.
Yes.
I remember that Vietnam era, how students actually helped to turn that around and force the country in a different direction.
They forced the resignation of President Lyndon Johnson in 1968, who said, I will not seek nor will I accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president.
And that was due principally to the student protests over the war.
And I'm sure that this government is aware of that because some of them grew up during that time.
And so campuses have to have freedom of speech.
That's the incubators of movements that keep the country fresh.
It's not what's happening.
Now, you talked about health insurance.
If we had a country that really helped people focus on all the ways that they could be able to achieve health for themselves and their family, that would spark an economic boom.
Yes.
Instead of simply shoveling money over to insurance companies who you have to fight to get them to pay, who only cover 70 or 80% of your costs.
Still, people with a major health problem end up going into bankruptcy.
But let's go back to the very beginning.
Health education, giving people a range of options, how to achieve health.
This doesn't really happen.
I fought for complementary and alternative medicine as a member of the United States Congress to include it in legislation.
People need more choices.
They need to be able to make up their mind about what works for them to achieve their health.
And to narrow the definition actually helps the insurance companies rake in profits and the practice of medicine has become narrow.
Medicine, years ago, didn't even talk about nutrition.
Now there's kind of talking about it.
There's an understanding of the relationship between what we put inside of ourselves and a health condition that arises.
And those are the kinds of things that if we're going to make America healthy again, it's got to be about more health freedom.
People have to be able to choose.
Well, I've spent 25 years working on educating people about health and nutrition and disease prevention and healthy lifestyle choices, avoidance of toxins and so on, avoidance of prescription medications where possible.
And yet we are a nation that's overdosed on psychiatric drugs.
We are a nation of rampant obesity because of the ultra-processed foods.
And I'm incredibly disappointed with RFK Jr., who I supported to go to be in that position where he is.
I'm incredibly disappointed that what we get out of HHS today is announcements that Fruit Loops will remove the red dyes voluntarily by 2027 if they keep their word.
No law, no regulation.
What we get, oh, Coca-Cola is going to use cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup.
As if now it's a healthy drink?
No, it's not a healthy drink.
It's an obesity, diabetes-promoting, sugared-up phosphoric acid toxic stew, in my opinion.
But this is what we get out of health and human services.
As opposed to Pepsi-Cola.
Yeah, right, right.
I mean, anybody drinking soda is being misled, in my opinion, by our government to say, oh, it's safer now.
It's better now.
Go ahead, eat the processed food.
You won't have the red dye in it.
Give me a break.
Let me share something with you, Mike, that I seldom have a chance to talk about, but given your interest and your lifelong work and health, as a child, I had a horrible case of Crohn's disease, inflammatory bowel disease.
By the time I was 21, I had radical surgery in order to save my life.
I lost a substantial part of my colon and small bowel to Crohn's.
And my life, I mean, I almost died at age 21 from it.
And those who have it, let me tell you, I understand.
My diet was a mess.
You know, it was colas, sugar, donuts, on and on.
But what happened in, let's see, 1995, I met someone who introduced me to some options.
So I started to move away from certain types of food.
For me, it was animal products, but for others, it's not.
And then I used Chinese medicine.
Long story short, I don't have Crohn's anymore.
Gone.
I'm in the best health I've ever been in in my life, and it just keeps getting better.
So I had to take ownership myself of this.
I had to make some decisions about making some changes with what I ate, how I ate, what I put into me in order to change the outcome.
And as a result, you know, I mean, my blood pressure is somewhere between 90 and 100 over 60.
I have tremendous energy and, you know, can spend long hours working in all kinds of things before I'm tired.
And I wasn't that way years ago.
That's right.
And so, you know, we have to be in a position of making our own decisions about health.
And the insurance companies limit the range of decisions that people can make in some ways so that they can keep cashing in on the insurance racket.
Well, this is the issue.
The financial incentives are in place to keep the American people sick and to generate repeat profits off of managing their sickness.
So we don't have a health care system.
We have a sick care system, in my view.
But I think you and I both agree that there are so many forms of complimentary and alternative medicine that are safe, they are effective, and they are low cost that are not available to most Americans.
That would include traditional Chinese medicine, chiropractic care, homeopathy, alternative medicine, herbal medicine.
So many areas to go into.
And think about it, Dennis.
The people that rely on these forms of natural medicines, such as you and I, we tend to be so much healthier than everybody else.
People your age and my age both are dropping dead all the time because they relied on the Western processed food system, the Western medical system, endless pharmacy and doctor visits, and it didn't work.
Didn't work for them.
No, but this is the consciousness that needs to be raised.
We need to raise the health consciousness of our people, and it starts at a very early age, giving children information about how their health can be affected and what they can do to remain healthy.
And this is something that, and exercise and things like that, help our bodies move.
And, you know, really, when I think about it, I think about my own experience, which has been hard won.
Anybody who's been through anything like I just described understands how tough it can be.
The discipline that any one of us needs to engage in to go day to day to day towards a path to health is something that makes, hopefully makes us stronger as individuals.
Yes.
But we get inundated by all these commercials, right?
And, you know, and certain foods that are not good for us that are connected to lifestyle choices, and it becomes crazy.
And, you know, what you talked about, complementary alternative medicine, homeopathy, the chiropractic.
I had a vertebrate that would pop out on occasion.
When I was in Congress, members of Congress have a clinic below the floor of the House of Representatives that they can go to for help.
So I was fortunate because I ran in and I was able to see a chiropractor instantly.
And it was like having an Indianapolis 500 car run off the track, really run off the track into a pit stop, back out.
Chiropractor, boom, just, you know, push me against the wall.
And before you knew it, I was ready to go in a matter of minutes.
I mean, if people understood the range of options that are there that can move us towards health, people would have a better quality of life.
They'd have a longer life.
They'd enjoy every day more.
And, you know, I respect everyone who's in that struggle because it is a struggle.
I'm sorry.
This area of health, what's wonderful about it is that individuals can assert their own self-control and they can radically improve their outcomes by making conscious choices, right?
That's what you and I have just been talking about.
But now to pivot back to our.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Well, but to contrast that with the subject we've been talking about, we do not have much control over what's happening with wars in the Middle East or Russia.
Now, you mentioned the importance of peaceful protesting, and I absolutely agree with that.
And that's why freedom of speech has to be respected at our universities.
But this is where many Americans, and myself included, you can sense even some frustration from me, as much as I exercise very strong control over my own health, my own abundance, my own choices.
I have no control over what's happening with wars.
And it seems like even the things that I tried to vote for, now I did not vote for Trump this time around, by the way, but the things over time that I have tried to vote for, those things are abandoned anyway.
So the voters feel a sense of helplessness.
Even those who voted for Trump very largely feel betrayed right now by the non-release of the Epstein files.
And you have Dan Bongino talking about he's seen things that have damaged his soul forever, but he can't tell us what it is.
It's beyond frustrating for the American people.
Do you have advice for people watching?
How do you deal with this?
Times that try men's souls, all of our souls, in the hymn, America the Beautiful, there's a line that says, confirm thy goal in self-control, thy liberty in law.
When control is lost and things spin out of control, we all feel helpless.
And yet, the founders gave us a vehicle.
The U.S. Constitution.
That's what we rely on.
The Constitution says a president can't take the country into war without the permission of Congress.
We're not using the Constitution here.
The members of Congress have an obligation under the Constitution to assert their Article I authority.
They're a co-equal branch of government.
They were first in the recitation of the Articles in the Constitution, the executive branch is Article II.
Article I, Section 8, no one can, a president cannot take this country into war without the vote of the Congress.
So this document exists for our protection.
So we need to insist that Congress step up to its role so that we get some control here.
We need to insist that the amendments to the Constitution are protected, that you cannot have unreasonable search and seizure.
This is where the AI and the surveillance society just goes around that Fourth Amendment, which is there to protect us no matter what the technology is.
But, you know, we have masses of information that now can be used to hurt any individual American.
We have a government that has been careless in its use of artificial intelligence.
We have a Congress that won't stand up for the First Amendment, which is all basis of having representative government.
And you can go down the line, the 10th Amendment, states' rights, how Congress right now is looking at passing a law that would wipe out every state law that has to do with protecting, with assuring that anyone who wants to sue a chemical company to cause their cancer would be able to have legal recourse.
I mean, go back to the Constitution.
If we want to escape this feeling of helplessness, let's go back to what we were given to protect this country.
And until we insist on that Constitution and the provisions of it, we won't, you know, we're seeing our liberties slip away.
The entire judiciary is being nullified by those laws that you just mentioned.
I think one of those just passed out of committee by the GOP, Section 453, I think it is, that grants legal immunity to the pesticide and herbicide manufacturers.
I mean, do people realize that just like the vaccine companies have absolute legal immunity when their vaccines are either EUA or childhood immunization scheduled, do you realize that a Bayer, which of course consumed Monsanto that makes glyphosate or Roundup,
that when there is absolute legal immunity from exposure to pesticides and herbicides, then there is no incentive for the agricultural sector of America to limit their use to even what they consider safe levels.
There's going to be no limit.
Our food supply, Dennis, will be saturated with cancer-causing chemicals with no legal ramifications whatsoever.
The judiciary and the Supreme Court will be nullified or at least attempted.
I mean, go ahead.
I'm listening to you, Mike, and you're an oracle on this.
What you're saying, everyone needs to hear again and again.
The government needs to exist for us.
We don't exist for the government, but when we see laws that are passed which indemnify big companies from any lawsuits, from any damages that they cause to people, corporations have usurped the government and the government's not working for us.
We're working for them and the corporations they serve.
And Dennis, I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is really critical.
I know you will have a reaction to this.
When that law goes into effect, the wealthy people who can Afford to buy organic will buy organic at any price because it's the only food that isn't saturated with poison.
The mass poisoning of the food supply will be selective to lower-income Americans who can't afford to buy organic.
That's who's going to be mass poisoned.
Yeah, well, Mike, you're right again.
And it's not, and they don't have any right to recover.
You have to remember that Monsanto, Bayer, for those who aren't following it carefully, Bayer bought out Monsanto.
But when they did that, they also took the legal responsibility.
Monsanto already got hit for about $12 billion in lawsuits because the chemical called glyphosate that was in Roundup Ready, which people might spray on their lawns, but they certainly have sprayed on fields and farms, was found to have caused non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a form of cancer that killed a number of farm workers and had caused others to be severely injured.
And so people filed lawsuits.
There's thousands and thousands of these lawsuits out there right now, and they just want to cut it off and stop the American people from being able to get their basic rights.
It's called due process.
It's part of the Constitution.
We have a right to be able to state if somebody harms us to be able to recover.
But now all of a sudden, just like the vaccine companies, the chemical companies, no, they won't have to pay if this becomes law.
And let me tell you what is really wicked about this.
Bayer was one of the companies involved in the German chemical manufacturer that was making the gas for the gas station.
Cyclon B, yeah, IG Farben.
You got it.
Cyclon B, IG Farben.
That Bayer came from that.
And so they're making, you know, and Germany has very strict laws about the use of this chemical.
U.S. is ready to just give up our people and sacrifice them where Germany protects their people.
And that's the headquarters of Bayer now.
What about Americans?
You're more right than you know.
I mean, of course, I own a MassPEC food lab, and we're very, very familiar with contamination limits that are set in the EU versus Canada versus the U.S. versus Japan, et cetera.
Do you know the U.S. has the most lax restrictions on glyphosate contamination of foods or heavy metals contamination by far?
So what happens, Dennis, and again, we're in the food industry, we know this very well, that exporters from India, China, Mexico, anywhere in the world, when they test their foods, if they have high levels of contamination of pesticides or heavy metals,
they immediately direct those exports to the United States because they know it's legal to sell the toxic contaminated foods in the U.S. It would be illegal in the E.U. It would be illegal in Canada, but it's legal in America.
And we are told, oh, we're removing red dye from fruit loops, but the FDA's limit on mercury in foods is still 10 parts per million, which is at least three or four orders of magnitude too high for public safety.
I mean, I could give you so many examples of this.
It's insane.
We are the dumping ground of toxins for the world.
Well, go back to what I was saying.
Does this government exist for us or do we exist for it?
Because when people exist for a government, that's called totalitarianism.
When the government exists for us, that's a republic or a democracy.
So we have to, in a sense, realign the vision that we have of what America should be with the reality and move towards the vision where we're a country that actually protects the health of its own people, a country that actually is aware of what's in the food that people are eating, that would stand guard at the borders and not let food in, that would poison our people.
I mean, this is fundamental, but at the same time, isn't it interesting that we have to have this discussion again about the basics, about what America should be, what America must stand for, about the role of the Constitution in protecting our basic liberties.
We're becoming else.
And Dennis, I know we're almost out of time, and I really thank you for this conversation, but I think you will agree that when I say that we cannot be successful and prosperous as a nation unless we return to the fundamental pillars of good health because of cognitive issues.
You know, China is graduating 500 percent more STEM graduates than is the United States.
And yet then we're about to grant legal immunity to pesticide companies that apply pesticides such as organophosphate pesticide chemicals on the food supply, interfering with brain function, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that cause like young dementia.
Our brains do not work if we are eating all these poisons.
How can we compete in science and technology and physics and mathematics and even building weapon systems, you know, if that's what you want to do?
You have to engineer them.
If your engineers are all doped up on pesticides, they can't function correctly.
You can't outthink the Russians and the Chinese who are both very brilliant groups of people.
You can't outthink them if you're poisoning your own population, period.
You know, America has had incredible scientific breakthroughs.
You know, we put a man on the moon.
That's worth remembering.
The science that We see at NASA today is the product of generations of Americans who heeded the call of President Kennedy to use the technological genius of this nation to advance the condition of Americans and the human condition.
But if we don't pay attention to our health, if as Mike Adams just said, you know, if you're getting food that is laced with heavy metals, with lead and anything else, the brain is adversely affected.
The synaptic connections you need to make, you know, to have thoughts that are coherent are broken.
And people, this early Alzheimer's that you talk about, there are medical reasons why that's happening.
There's science that explains it.
And so much of it can be traced back through food.
And that's why food is, as far as my wife and I are concerned, it is a transcendent issue.
The quality of our agriculture, what we're doing to the earth, how we're spoiling the land.
I mean, we need to look at the whole range of issues here, because if we are what we eat, then we must know what's in the food that we're consuming so we know what we will become.
The answer to America's health is literally right here in this jar.
I mean, if I were to tell you what I have in my smoothies, if our nation could embrace that message instead of censoring people like me, we would lead the world in technology and innovation and health for generations to come.
But here we are.
So we make the best of it as we can.
And Dennis, I so much honor your time, your wisdom, your conversation.
And I greatly look forward to having you on, even though I'm extremely frustrated after we talk about the things we talk about.
But I'm not frustrated at you.
I love having these conversations.
I've got a lot of good things I could have said as well.
So back at you.
Well, you know, we're dealing with the world right now, but I just want to encourage people to visit your website.
You can go to kucenich.com.
That's K-U-C-I-N-I-C-H.
And that will forward you to kucenichreport.substack.com.
Check out Dennis's numerous articles.
Very important to stay informed.
And Dennis, is there anything else you'd like to add before we wrap this up?
Today happened to be the 101st birthday of my mother, who's long gone.
But I just want to say, mom, happy birthday.
Wow.
Wow.
Happy birthday.
Thank you for bringing Dennis into the world.
Indeed.
Dennis, we're blessed to have you.
I'm blessed to know you.
Thank you for joining us today.
Thanks, Mike.
See you again.
All right.
Take care.
All right, Dennis Kucinich, everyone, just an extraordinary American.
Be sure to visit his website, as I mentioned earlier.
And thank you for watching today.
MikeAdams here, Brighteon.com.
And if you want to be healthy, you don't have to wait for the government to tell you what you shouldn't eat.
You can learn it yourself.
You can apply it tomorrow.
You can get healthier at your next meal if you so choose.
And that's what I teach.
So check out my videos at brighteon.com and articles at naturalnews.com.
And I'm also trying to help prevent nuclear annihilation at the same time.
Because what good is health if you're glowing from radiation?
So thank you for watching today.
Share this interview everywhere and join us in calling for peace.
Call for peace.
War is not the answer.
Never will be the answer.
Peace, health, nutrition, universal love, universal dignity, universal humanitarian principles.
That is our answer of how we make progress as a civilization.
And if we don't choose that path, I don't think we make it as a civilization, frankly.
So thank you for watching today.
God bless you all.
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