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July 18, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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David Tice Interviewed by Mike Adams on Grid Collapse Threats and U.S. Infrastructure Vulnerabilitie
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today we're joined by a special guest who was deeply involved in the production of a film called Grid Down, Power Up.
And the film highlights some of the vulnerabilities of our current power grid and the simple ways, relatively simple, that we can help protect the power grid from all kinds of things, including EMP or solar flares.
But also there's a cyber warfare threat against our power grid.
And right now, what's really new about this this year is that the AI industry is incredibly power hungry.
And Trump, partnering with many powerful corporations, wealthy corporations, has announced over a trillion dollars of investment in AI data centers in the United States.
A large number of those to be built in Texas.
Texas has its own power grid.
But there's not enough power on the Texas power grid to power all the data centers that they want to build.
So how do you solve that?
Well, we're going to talk about nuclear power and other topics here today with our guest, David Tice.
Welcome, Mr. Tice, to the show today.
It's been a while, but it's good to have you back.
Good to be on with you, Michael.
Yeah, thank you for taking the time here.
Now, your film, Grid Down Power Up, it's been out a year and a half or so, something like that.
Is that right?
Correct.
You want to tell us just briefly about that film and where people can check it out?
Yes.
So the film is Grid Down Power Up.
The website is griddownpowerup.com.
Your viewers, as I was telling you before, are among the smartest and most informed listeners in the world because they have the benefit of your wisdom and being so articulate about this.
We talk about four major threats.
One, physical attack, two, cyber attack, three, EMP attack, and four, geomagnetic disturbance.
And the threat is if one of those attacks was able to take out the grid on a nationwide basis, the EMP Commission that operated for 17 years at the behest of Congress found that as many as 90% of American citizens might die.
And therefore, we're trying to inspire a movement.
And in fact, we're having some success.
We've shown the film on Capitol Hill with a briefing where we had a few congressmen attend a number of staffers, as well as remarks delivered by four-star General Wesley Clark.
And we just passed legislation in the state of Texas.
Senator Bob Hall, who is a real patriot treasurer, has been working for five different sessions.
And we passed Senate Bill 75, just passed into law by Governor Greg Abbott.
And this will establish a grid protection commission that's going to come up with specific requirements in terms of better protection in the Texas grid.
Well, I'm, of course, very relieved to hear that.
But as you know, Texas is the only state that essentially has its own standalone power grid run by, well, the oversight is ERCOT or ERCOT, E-RC-O-T, just for a listener.
I know you know that, David.
But then there's the Eastern Grid for the U.S., and then there's the Western grid for the U.S. And as far as I know, no such effort that you just mentioned is being applied to those grids, which account for most of the population.
Is there any hope for a similar effort for the rest of the country?
Well, we're hoping to extend it.
And that's why we need your viewers to be active and vocal.
And please share the link about the movie with their friends.
I didn't before tell you where you could watch it.
It's been on YouTube up till just a couple of weeks ago.
We took it down while we're trying to entertain, getting it on Netflix or HBO.
It's going to be back on YouTube at some point.
Right now, you can see it on Newsmax as well as on Salem Now.
So it's available on those sites.
Okay, perfect.
Now, I'm on the ERCOT website.
I just mentioned this is the oversight of the Texas grid here.
And let's show my screen.
We're almost at 13,000 megawatts running right now.
It's in the green.
It says as normal conditions, there is enough power for current demand.
But I lived through the blackouts of the rolling blackouts of, what was that, 2021?
I forgot what year it was, where that cold spell swept through and we had rolling blackouts and we very nearly had a crash of the Texas power grid.
So I'm aware of what happens when you have no power.
Instantly, you're in a third world country, right?
You're well aware of this.
What do you say to the fact that these AI data centers are extremely hungry in terms of their power consumption, and they're going to be building many of them, large data centers, in Texas?
Can the Texas power grid currently handle that?
No, we don't think it can.
Although a positive development is a number of these data centers are actually bringing with them their own power facility.
And that could be a lot of times SMRs or they're in West Texas where they have access to natural gas.
I mean, natural gas has been flared, you know, burn off into the atmosphere at no real economic value at all in West Texas.
And therefore, that is constructive.
And just what you mentioned, this 10 new nuclear power plants, a lot of them coming in Texas, That's a very, very positive sign.
And so, one issue I'd like to highlight is our film talks about more protecting what we have, you know, because right now our adversaries can take out as few as nine key substations.
It was found by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and knock out the grid nationwide.
Wow.
And we obviously have an inadequacy problem where supply versus demand, and that needs to be bigger.
Yeah.
Well, clearly, and I'm glad you mentioned that because we are, the United States is at war effectively with Iran and with Russia, although it's indirectly through other proxy nations.
But it's very clear that if there were, let's say, enemy combatants that wanted to come into the United States and cause asymmetrical harm to the United States, that the power grid would be one of their targets, just like you said.
They could just take out nine key components of it, or they could cause regional blackouts by taking out power grid substations.
And with today's drone technology, it's incredibly easy for, let's say, I mean, I don't want to give people any ideas, but everybody's watched the videos in Ukraine and Russia, you know, strapping grenades on drones and dropping them on, you know, power grid substations.
Like, there's nothing that is physically stopping that from happening, correct?
That is so true.
And I think about the fact that we spend $14 billion a year for TSA.
And granted, TSA is doing great work.
We're protecting bombs from getting on jetliners that could crash and kill 200 or 300 people.
And that's horrific.
But the fact that these substations remain so vulnerable and just protected by chain-linked fences, yet a lot more than 200 people, you know, could die, you know, if the grid goes out.
Right.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then the EMP threat is very real.
High-altitude detonation of a specific type of nuclear warhead could unleash voltage surges across all kinds of electronics.
How big of a threat is that, you think?
Well, I think it's massive.
And in our film, we have four-star General John Hayton, who is the prior vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
And there's been a lot of talk.
I mean, EMP has been referenced in movies such as Oceans 11, you know, various other places.
And sometimes critics like to consider EMP as being a tinfoil hat type phenomenon.
But John Hayton said that this is a very real threat.
It will cause electronics to go out, you know, massively.
And he said that we protect our command control centers and our missile centers from EMP, but we do not protect our critical civilian infrastructure at all.
Right, right.
Okay.
And with the U.S. looking at maybe allowing Ukraine to launch longer-range missiles into Russia, that's been discussed recently.
It makes you wonder if, let's say, theoretically, Russian retaliation against the West could include, for example, EMP detonations over North America.
Exactly.
And really, again, your viewers understand the threat of, I call it the bad guy threat, you know, from the axis of evil better than anyone.
And we know that there's something called the doomsday clock, you know, that's, you know, presided over by nuclear scientists.
And they actually analyze geopolitical risks, you know, on an ongoing basis.
And they found that we're at, I think, 80 seconds to midnight, you know, as close as ever.
And I would argue, just in the last six months, in terms of all the discussion about World War III and discussions about nuclear war, and what most Americans are complacent about is they feel like oceans protect them because they've protected us in the past.
We're so complacent in America that we think about wars being fought in Afghanistan and in Vietnam and Iraq.
You know, it's not going to affect us here.
But we know that it can be affected here through, like you said, drones, like you say, cyber attacks.
We know that the Chinese are already in our grid.
We've had Secretary of Energy Jennifer Grantholm under Biden, as well as Angus King, U.S. Senator, have said that our adversaries are in the grid.
I want to see if I can bring up an image of this.
We just saw two examples of truck-launched drones.
One, of course, in Russia.
Here are some of the images from that.
Go ahead and show that.
Ukrainian forces, I believe probably in conjunction with MI6, created this attack vector, which took out some long-range strategic bombers, the TU-95 bombers, on Russian airfields here.
But the actual drones were launched from these truck containers that were driven right next to the airfields.
We saw a similar thing happen in Iran, where some trucks with drones were launched to take out some of Iran's ballistic missile launchers.
That was during the so-called 12-day war and the bombing of Iran by the B-2 stealth bombers with the bunker busters.
Now, If we take that same technology, which is really a low-tech weapon, and we assume that enemies of America can do the same thing in America, which they can, think about this, folks.
They can come to America, they can buy drones online, just go to a website, buy high-end, like industrial drones that have payload capacities of 10 kilograms or more.
They can buy a truck.
They can buy a container.
They can build the same weapon system here in America.
Oceans do not protect us, to your point, David.
So this model of low-tech, decentralized hybrid warfare makes our power grid even more vulnerable than ever before.
Does that make sense?
Oh, so much sense, Mike.
And I pride myself on being a dot connector.
And one connection of dots, and you are so great at this, is our open borders and all these military-aided single men that are over here.
And you just have to know that there's a number of Chinese, Iranians, North Vietnamese that are waiting with burner phones waiting to be activated.
And they know how to get to warehouses.
They probably have already had deliveries of drones and various things.
And it would just be so easy on the physical attack vector side.
Yeah, yeah, clearly.
All right.
Let me pivot to the nuclear question.
And I want to show my screen here.
This is one of the AP1000 nuclear power plants here that is made by Westinghouse.
And it was just announced with Trump, just announced that tech leaders and business leaders in America have made a multi-tens of billions of dollars commitment to build 10 more nuclear power plants of the AP1000 variety in the United States, with all 10 expected to be under construction by the year 2030, although the completion of that construction would take longer.
Now, I brought this up because I wanted to try to give you the output of this plant.
It's not saying it, but I know the output powers about 750,000 homes.
Let me just update this query here.
Let's see if we can get the output of it.
Here it is.
Over 1,100 megawatts of electricity per plant.
So we're talking about bringing over 10,000 or 11,000 megawatts of power online in the United States through nuclear power sometime in the next, let's say, 15 to 20 years.
Does that sound about right?
Yes, that sounds about right.
And this is a great development.
So one thing I've been arguing for, again, I talk about the two parts to this dilemma.
One, protecting what we have, but then also with this massive increase in demand through data centers, AI, Bitcoin, mining, et cetera, EVs, we're going to need so much more electricity.
Yeah, you're right.
I didn't even mention EVs.
You're absolutely correct.
Yeah.
So I feel like we need, even though I'm against central planning, we've had seen the depiction of the Manhattan Project with the movie Oppenheimer, where Matt Damon played the famous character, General Leslie Groves.
And he was a guy that was willing to break down doors and take no prisoners in order to get stuff done.
And essentially, I say we need that to increase our power demand.
And there's new technology coming on in terms of hydrogen, more and more use of geothermal SMRs, big nukes, et cetera.
And certainly renewables have a place, but it cannot be 100% because we need a certain percentage of dispatchable power.
And therefore, I feel like we need a Manhattan scale project to attack this grid issue because it is so paramount in importance.
Well, what about these compact fusion reactors that Lockheed Martin has that I think they produce here, what, 50 to 200 megawatts of output power?
Here's one page talking about them, compact fusion reactors.
This is a very real technology.
These units can fit physically in something the size of a couple of garage bays, actually.
And the fuel, I believe, only needs to be replaced once every eight years or so.
Is this a viable sort of regional or decentralized power augmentation technology?
Well, I have not studied that one specifically, and I'm certainly not a scientist is the right one to be weighing in on that.
But we need the best scientists and engineers in figuring out what is optimal.
And I do like the decentralized approach, more of a microgrid approach.
But this needs to be all thought through by the best and the brightest.
And therefore, I love that idea.
And that's a great example.
Yeah.
All right.
Let me ask you about what happened in Spain a few months ago, where I believe one of the solar farms had a voltage irregularity that nearly took out the grid.
And most of Spain was in a blackout for, I think, a whole day.
And it was, my understanding is it was blamed on a solar farm.
Solar and wind energy, everybody likes to talk about how they're green.
The problem is you can't scale them up and down in real time based on demand.
And they don't work at night or during rain Or when the wind isn't blowing.
So, what's in your view, what's the role of solar and wind in a functional, reliable power grid, if any?
Well, I think they can definitely play a role, but they are not a panacea.
And it cannot be 70, 80 percent of supply.
Because what's interesting about electricity is it requires this balance between, it's a push and pull between demand and supply.
And the demand is going to be variable, and therefore the supply has got to match that demand.
And therefore, that's why the concept of having power that's dispatchable, where you can turn a turbine up or down, is required.
And therefore, your renewables, both wind and solar, do not provide that.
And I'm not the best guy to explain physics because that was my poorest class in high school.
But I think that's a fairly accurate representation.
Well, I would add to that that a key area that's lacking in technology is grid power shifting to storage technology, right?
So the storage systems today are not good.
They're very expensive.
I've looked into flow batteries.
I'm very excited about sodium ion technology versus lithium ion.
But even in the best cases, it still makes it so expensive to store energy compared to just generating it with a natural gas plant, for example.
Natural gas, you just crank up the gas when you need more power.
You can't do that with solar.
Exactly.
And there is a lot of vulnerability and increased risk with these big battery farms.
And certainly lithium-ion batteries have their extreme dangers.
And call me a conspiracist, but I've heard some very credible stories about what's happened in Pacific Palisades and in California, some of these fires.
A lot of these homes were high-end homes where they had their Teslas, they had their charging stations, they had their solar, they had their inverters, et cetera.
And just those fires, with all the batteries, it's hard to get out those fires and then the toxic fumes that come from them.
And even the potential for starting some of these fires from, again, that gets somewhat conspiratorial, but I'm proud to call myself conspiracist because most of that is true these days.
You have to be very judicious in your judgment on that.
Right, right.
Okay, so let me ask you, this question is related to everything that we've talked about.
Nuclear power, and for the record, I support nuclear power.
I think nuclear power is a rational solution to the power demands that we have.
But a question that I have about nuclear power is what happens during an EMP attack?
Now, we saw with Fukushima in Japan, we saw that a tsunami could take out the backup battery solutions that would power the decommissioning or the cool down, the circulation pumps and so on necessary to bring a nuclear power plant offline into a safe condition.
That failed because of water, because of ocean water.
And one of those units there then suffered a meltdown.
What happens in the U.S. if we build these 10 nuclear power plants?
Westinghouse is a company known for extraordinary cost overruns, time delays, and bankruptcy.
By the way, I mean, that's just the truth about Westinghouse.
We build these 10 nuclear power plants and then we get hit with an EMP while those plants are functioning.
Do you know, have you looked into, is there a risk that we won't be able to bring those plants back under control if the electronics are hit by EMP?
Well, there needs to be extraordinary safety measures implemented.
And, you know, it ended up being on the cutting room floor, but one of the risks of the spent fuel rods not being able to be continually cooled in the event that there was no more power.
And therefore, that is a very, very amplifier in terms of risk.
And therefore, it needs to be thought through.
And I know the technology of nuclear power plants is a lot better today and less risk sensitive in some areas than it used to be.
And SMRs are considered to be far more safe than the typical nuclear plants.
SMRs?
Which is a small modular reactor.
So these are more microgrid setup for, as an example, a data center or could be a city like Kansas City or Tulsa.
These SMRs, do these fit on the back of a rig, a truck?
I don't think they're quite that small, but they're not that large.
Okay.
All right.
Because I am aware of some, I think, containerized compact reactors that can power military bases and things like that, for example.
But, you know, those are SMRs.
Those are SMRs.
Okay.
Right now in Texas, I'm Aware that the city of San Antonio is running all kinds of very expensive additional generators just to keep its own power supply functioning.
I'm not sure what they're burning.
Gas, you know, natural gas.
I would imagine it's natural gas, but maybe it could be diesel in certain emergency situations.
But it seems like I see a lot of inefficiencies and waste right now where a couple of nuclear power plants could really resolve a lot of those situations.
I think this is an outstanding development, you know, and great for the state of Texas.
And I think we just have to think through, you know, the risk elements that, you know, bringing on, especially more traditional nuclear power plants, creates.
Right, right.
Okay.
I'm right there with you.
And I do understand that the discussion of nuclear power often leads into very irrational reactions because many Americans have a memory of Three Mile Island, which was a very tiny, tiny, tiny leak of slightly radioactive water.
It was, by today's standards, it's a nothing burger.
But then people remember Chernobyl.
Was that 1986, I believe?
But that's nothing like the U.S. power plant designs.
I mean, we have containment buildings and far different systems and a different culture around nuclear power than what existed in the old USSR at the time.
So do you consider nuclear power to be safe for America?
Yes, I do.
And again, I even like SMRs and kind of a more microgrid system.
And I love the idea where we are tying SMRs and various power facilities directly to these new data plants that are coming in.
So I think that's very constructive.
Well, the data centers have a 24-7 demand, so it's actually a very steady demand.
So it's very easy for a power generation source to match data center demand if they're tied together like that.
Right.
Yeah.
I did see that in Texas, you may be familiar with this.
I believe there's legislation in place that says that the power grid operators are allowed to disconnect the upcoming AI data centers preferentially in the case of too much demand for power in order to give preferential supply to homes and businesses and hospitals and so on.
Are you aware of that rule?
I am not aware of that specific rule, but that concept exists and is very, very beneficial.
And people have talked about that for Bitcoin as well.
And therefore, again, we're trying to match supply versus demand in a very sensitive protocol.
And to be able to dial down demand like that, that can be a powerful tool.
Okay, hold on.
I'm trying to bring up a chart here that I remember.
And I didn't mean to make this so technical, but you've given me the opportunity to ask these questions.
I remember seeing a chart.
Yeah, I think here it is right here, actually.
And this is from a tweet.
Let's see if I can bring this up and make it any larger.
Okay.
Everybody, do you see this chart, David?
Yes, sir.
So I'm sorry it's small for the viewers, but this red line represents China's power generation, and this is in terawatts.
And then this blue line represents America's power generation.
Now, as you can see, China's power generation is trending upward very rapidly, and it's going to continue to skyrocket in the years ahead.
Given that power generation is very closely associated with GDP and also now with AI research, AI innovation, China has exceeded America's power generation by a substantial amount for many years now, and it doesn't look like that trend is going to change.
What do you think are the implications of this for America versus China in a multipolar world?
The fact that America is really falling behind in power generation?
Well, that's a very powerful chart.
And I had not seen those lines together like that.
And you look at, you know, people have talked about, I think, 2035 potentially a tripling in demand for power.
And you just think about EVs and what California is trying to do with, you know, EV promulgation and then AI and data centers and Bitcoin mining.
It's ridiculous that we have that kind of a flat line.
And even though I'm against central planning, it's like we need to wake up to the fact that we have this massive demand coming and we've had that line.
Now that announcement about 10 new nukes is encouraging.
But we need to wake up.
Yeah, clearly.
I think we're behind the curve.
So I actually, I applaud Trump for being part of this effort to build out America's energy infrastructure.
I think most of our listeners would agree that under the Biden years, the Biden administration and the Democrats by and large are actually energy saboteurs.
Oh, of course.
I mean, they just destroy your energy infrastructure.
They shut down the pipelines.
They stop the drilling.
I mean, under Trump's first administration, we were energy, we were net exporters of energy.
We were energy independent.
But thanks to Biden and the Democrats, now we're more dependent on energy out of the Middle East, which involves us in that whole quagmire of war and politics that I don't want to be involved in.
We should just produce.
I mean, we are an energy-rich nation.
All we have to do is give ourselves permission to use the energy.
Make sense?
Well, well put, Mike.
You know, for sure.
And they were saboteurs and drill, baby, drill and reducing, you know, regulation for mining regulations, et cetera.
These are great steps that Donald Trump is making.
Yes.
And actually, let me make one more point.
Let's go back to that chart.
Please, put the chart on screen.
You know what China did that was brilliant strategically?
China pushed the whole thing about climate change and limiting CO2 emissions onto other countries, but not itself.
So China cleared its own runway to build unlimited amount of coal-fired power plants.
China opens a coal plant every other day.
That's why this line is going up like that.
While the West and the Paris Climate Accords and especially Western Europe run by a bunch of climate lunatics have destroyed the energy competitiveness of Western civilization.
And when it comes to AI, whoever can pump the most energy through the most microchips is going to get to AGI first or super intelligence first.
So energy is the pathway, actually, to artificial intelligence world domination.
And the Democrats crippled us in the Western world, putting us maybe 10 years behind that curve.
We may never catch up.
Have you thought about that?
No, you're exactly right.
And again, that's why your program and Brightian network is such a powerful resource that we're blessed to have.
Well, thank you for that, sir.
I greatly appreciate it.
And we're blessed to have you on and to have your documentary.
And I apologize.
I didn't mean to hijack this interview so much.
Let me go back to you and ask you what you want to say that's important for our audience here.
So on our website, thank you for that, Mike.
So griddownpowerup.com, we have a facility under the participate tab.
And you can add just your zip code.
I guess you might have to add a mailing address.
You can just make it Main Street if you'd like, you know, but we will be able to find your specific state legislator and your representative, your two U.S. Senators, your PUC chairman, actually board chairman of your public utilities for your state, as well as your FEMA emergency director.
And we have pre-written letters that you can send to these individuals and say that you care about grid security.
I mean, I rode up the elevator with Tucker Carlson and he had Dennis Quaid on.
And he said, this is the most important issue out there.
If we don't have power, we essentially have nothing.
It's crucial.
And therefore, we've started to make some progress.
You know, in Texas, we're going to Tennessee.
Our legislators, PUC chairmen need to be informed.
We need to essentially recruit grid warriors and everybody watching and listening can help in this.
You know, one of the guys that watched my film carried the baton and got this Texas bill passed because he was tireless in making this happen.
We can make phone calls to PEC chairmen.
We have a facility by which you can plug into your phone and leave voicemails and make phone calls to your legislators, regulators, et cetera.
So there's a lot that can be done.
Donald Trump passed an executive order back in 2019, promulgated into law in 2020 National Defense Authorization Act.
And therefore, that needs to be carried forward further, but there needs to be a movement.
We need a bunch of grid warriors with fire in their belly that will help make this happen.
Okay, the website is griddownpowerup.com.
And click on the participate tab there that I'm showing you.
Now, David, here's another critical issue in all of this related to everything you just said, which is that a great many of the components that are necessary for the functioning of our power grid are made in China.
And ironically, right now, Trump has threatened China with a 100% tariff that Trump says will be put onto China and India and other countries in roughly 50 days if China purchases energy from Russia, which China does in very large volumes.
I think China is the largest purchaser of energy from Russia.
You know, of all the Russian exports, China is the largest buyer, in other words.
If we have 100% tariff on every component coming out of China, then hardening our electric power grid infrastructure would become incredibly expensive, And there could be supply chain problems in even building out our data centers.
So much of that equipment comes from China.
So, how do we make sense of this?
Where, on one hand, Trump wants to punish China with secondary tariffs for doing business with Russia over energy, but we need China, we need China's manufacturing for us to get the components in order to build our own power infrastructure.
How do we balance that?
Well, I'm going to challenge you a little bit there, Mike, in it.
I don't like our high-tech components that are going into the grid coming from China, period, because China is thinking two or three chess moves ahead.
And therefore, they are thinking from a sabotage standpoint, building in trapdoors, building in malware that can be activated.
And therefore, you know, I don't care if Chinese equipment that goes into the grid goes up in price, because frankly, we need to be buying German parts or South Korean parts or something anyway.
You know, and we are very, very concerned about the supply chain and our Chinese inverters and, you know, all the technology that's come in from China.
Well, I absolutely hear what you're saying.
And if we want to buy parts from Germany, we probably shouldn't have blown up the Nord Stream pipeline that feeds energy to Germany because German industry has been shut down to a large extent.
And German quality is very high, but pricing is also very, very high.
But let me give you a really good example here.
Like at my facility, we're building a new building.
We're actually building a new expanded laboratory for all of our MassSpec lab equipment, which uses quite a lot of electricity.
And when our electricians specced out just the infrastructure for that one building, they said initially that the wait time on the equipment would be 50 weeks.
We're talking about just the equipment mounted on the building to handle that much power.
And we had to jump through hoops and break it down into subunits in order to get that in something like nine weeks instead of 50 weeks.
If we cut off China's supply of these components, and I understand your argument about long-term we would love to have domestic sourcing.
I completely agree with that.
But we're not yet making those components at scale in the United States.
It would almost prohibit businesses like mine from being able to build anything new at all because the wait times on many of those components would go to five years.
So what do we do?
I tell you, it's a very difficult situation and it's not going to be solved overnight.
And in terms of, I mean, it's very problematic for sure.
And one of the positive developments that's happened in the last couple of years is understanding that we have to move further away from Chinese dependence.
And during the pandemic, we learned about reliance on our pharmaceuticals and our generic drugs coming from China.
I'm not sure if that has been resolved or addressed at all.
We know there's this complete dependence on China for rare earths, and we know how important some of these rare earth elements are to our military.
Yes.
And therefore, we have to address that.
So this is an area that involves several different parts of the economy.
Absolutely.
I'm aware that there's a rare earth operation that's just opening in Wyoming.
They're going to extract rare earths from coal mining.
But, I mean, I'm a scientist.
I deal with elements all the time.
In my mass spec lab, I can tell you there's not much neodymium in coal.
So you got to go through 100 tons to get like maybe 10 grams or maybe less.
I don't even know how, I mean, it seems like it's a 30-year project to start producing rare earths in America.
I mean, I'm sure they're under the ground.
But this also gets back to the Democrats.
They have halted energy infrastructure and they've halted strategic mining operations over environmental concerns.
But as a result, as you rightly pointed out, here we are dependent on China, which exports about 94% of the world's neodymium, which is used in the magnets that become the actuators for all robots.
In fact, Ford shut down its production lines temporarily a few weeks ago because they ran out of neodymium magnets from China.
You know, it's like, but starting a mine is a 10-year project.
Building a nuke plant, 10-year project, if not longer.
Like, this is, this is, even if Trump starts these things today, which he is in many cases, a Democrat can come in the next election, cancel the whole thing.
Sabotage.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to blackpill everybody here, but that's where we are.
Yeah, it's a, we're in deep doo-doo, as they say, and we just have to keep, I mean, you know, preparing for the worst, hoping for the best, and leave God to the rest.
Okay.
David, is there anything else you want to add to this interview that I've failed to ask you?
This has been phenomenal.
I would say tell your friends, create a, I would say, I'm hoping this grid movement turns Into almost a mothers against drunk drivers scale movement.
And it literally reduced drunk drivers' deaths by 40%.
And we need people talking about this in the carpool line.
We can utilize Texas' recent success and say that we can look at what's happened with Ukraine in terms of drones going after infrastructure.
Frankly, I'm surprised that the power hasn't gone out 90% inside Kiev.
So I've been a little bit pleasantly surprised by that.
But I think that could certainly happen in the United States.
And therefore, we just have to work hard and pray and let's hope for the best.
Well, you know, there is one event that brings tremendous awareness to the importance of this, and that's a blackout.
When people don't have electricity, suddenly it's priority one, right?
Yeah.
But sadly, you know, we don't want to wait for that to happen to be the marketing campaign for why we need to harden our grid.
So I agree with you, and I want to encourage people to check out your website again, griddownpowerup.com.
Check out the documentary, share the documentary, and go to the participate tab, the call to action, and get your legislators involved in this because this is going to take government action, it turns out.
The scale of this, it necessarily involves government.
And we are vulnerable.
And frankly, I think we're going to learn a tough lesson somewhere regionally.
My guess is some terror group takes out some power generator or a substation somewhere, and we get a very harsh lesson in why we shouldn't be that vulnerable.
I pray that doesn't happen, but I'm concerned that it will.
But thank you, David, for all that you do.
I appreciate your time today.
Thank you, Mike.
But for the next time.
All right, you as well.
Also want to encourage people to watch your film, Grid Down Power Up, that Dennis Quaid has narrated as well.
A very, very honored individual there for all his work.
So thank you so much, David.
Thanks again, Mike.
All right.
Take care.
And thank you for watching today.
Hope you learned something in today's interview.
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