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July 18, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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GENIUS Act condemns us all to DIGITAL ENSLAVEMENT under a stablecoin debt Ponzi scheme (BBN, July 17

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	All right.
	Honestly, I don't know if I have enough cacao to get through this broadcast, but we'll give it a shot.
	It is Friday, July 18th, 2025.
	This is Brighteon Broadcast News.
	And of course, I'm Mike Adams.
	Thank you for joining me today.
	My co-host, Todd Pittner, and I interviewed Catherine Austin Fitz today.
	Now, we won't be featuring that interview today, but I will run it Monday.
	However, I mention that interview because Catherine really helped bring us up to speed on some very important things that just happened to coincide with the House of Representatives passing the Genius Act, which is all about, well, government regulation of privately issued or bank-issued stablecoins.
	This is a very big issue.
	I mean, this, honestly, this broadcast here today is the most important one I've done in quite a while, as you will understand.
	I'm going to break it down for you and explain exactly what's going on behind the scenes and why people like Ed Dowd have said we've got to cancel the Genius Act and why Marjorie Taylor Green is now saying, oh, this is horrible.
	It's a backdoor to a CBDC surveillance grid.
	And they're right.
	And there's more to this.
	Aaron Day, also, who I interviewed several times, gave a live stream on X where he was warning about this.
	He's absolutely correct.
	So let me explain what this is.
	Now, understand that it's a scheme.
	It's a scheme to try to kick the can down the road on the US dollar debt Ponzi scheme.
	That's what this is.
	Now, let's back up at first here to understand this.
	Right now, what are the 10-year Treasury rates?
	Oh, they're over 5%.
	They're skyrocketing because very few people, very few countries, investment houses, central banks around the world want to purchase U.S. Treasury debt.
	Why?
	Well, because the dollar printing has gone completely insane and the dollar is losing value at a record pace, losing value rapidly.
	In fact, the dollar collapse is accelerating.
	And with the rise of the BRICS nations, you know, China, Russia, India, and many of the other participants, we are now seeing, for the first time since the end of World War II, a legitimate challenge to the dominance of the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency.
	In fact, right now, the reserves that are held by nations and central banks around the world, the dollar represents less than 50% of those reserves.
	So the U.S. dollar is not now the world reserve currency.
	The real world reserve currency is gold.
	It is gold.
	That's why central banks are buying gold.
	And that's why, as I reported earlier this week, central banks are buying gold directly from gold mines, even bypassing the gold exchanges.
	So you don't even know how much gold they're buying.
	They're just going straight to the mines and saying, hey, you mine it, we'll buy it directly.
	Just keep it on the down low.
	That's happening in many countries around the world, especially in African nations, by the way, but others as well.
	China is doing the same thing.
	China is buying metals directly from miners.
	So since fewer and fewer countries want to buy U.S. Treasury debt because it's essentially worthless, what's it backed by?
	It's backed by a promise to pay you back one day.
	A promise to pay you back is worth nothing if the entity making that promise is bankrupt, which the U.S. government is almost $40 trillion in debt.
	And the only way that it can even pay you back on the current debt is to engage in new debt creation, to find new suckers in the Ponzi scheme, right?
	Bernie Madoff, his Ponzi scheme, worked in a similar fashion, right?
	He got investors to give him money, and then he pretended like he was getting really great returns.
	Oh, you're getting 11%, 12%.
	This is amazing.
	And he would pay people the money that they asked for, but only by suckering new people into the system, convincing new people to give him money.
	So that was a classic Ponzi scheme.
	Well, what Trump and the GOP are doing right now is a debt Ponzi.
	It's a debt Ponzi scheme.
	So the only way they can pay off the debt they currently have is to convince people to give them money in exchange for new debt.
	And the old system, remember the Bretton Woods arrangement where countries like Saudi Arabia, anytime they sold oil, the oil was supposed to be sold only in dollars, correct?
	That was the petro-dollar arrangement.
	And the petro-dollar is what allowed the dollar to become the world dominant currency.
	And then countries like Saudi Arabia would turn around and take the excess funds that they had, because they were paid in dollars.
	They would hand those dollars over to the treasury in exchange for treasury debt.
	That's right, IOUs.
	So the oil kingdoms were purchasing treasuries.
	And that is what allowed the U.S. to continue to print money and to grow the Ponzi scheme of debt printing that allowed the funding of wars, the funding of propaganda, the funding of bioweapons like COVID, right, or COVID vaccines.
	All of that.
	That was all propped up by Brett and Woods and the petro-dollar arrangement.
	Well, that arrangement is collapsing.
	Increasingly, those countries are more than happy to accept other currencies.
	They'll sell oil, many of them, in yuan or in the ruble or in the rupee or other currencies.
	They don't necessarily need dollars anymore.
	They'll sell it in Euros, for example.
	So as a result, it's harder and harder for the U.S. to find buyers of Treasury debt.
	They need a new Scam.
	They need a new way to sell off the debt so they can continue to create more debt, which means currency creation and runaway government spending, wasting a trillion dollars a year on the Pentagon, for example, or funding super secret programs, breakaway civilization programs, you know, underground cities and caves and highways and whatever.
	I mean, this is where government money goes, into giant black holes.
	But they want more money, so they need to find buyers of treasury debt.
	Well, this brings us to stablecoins.
	So I apologize if this is a review for some of you.
	Many of you already know this information.
	But a lot of you don't.
	And we all need to get up to speed on this.
	So let's step back for a moment and consider Tether.
	Tether is the most popular dollar-linked stablecoin.
	And when people deposit dollars with the Tether organization, Tether then issues them USDT coins or US dollar Tether coins.
	And they typically maintain the same price as a dollar.
	You know, one Tether coin is one U.S. dollar.
	And then Tether turns around and takes the dollars that people give it.
	And Tether buys U.S. Treasuries and a few other investments, but it's largely in treasuries.
	So in other words, Tether buys U.S. Treasury debt or IOUs and then tells the public that your Tether coins are backed by the dollar.
	But they aren't, really.
	They're backed by IOUs.
	They're backed by dollar-denominated debt, largely from a country that's completely bankrupt, which is the United States of America, that, again, is steeped in a massive amount of debt.
	More debt than any nation in the history of our known civilization, right?
	So people then take these tether coins and they often use these coins to buy Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.
	And of course, this is one of the reasons why Bitcoin has skyrocketed so much because, of course, the government or the treasury or officials or whoever, they can print currency, they can use that currency to buy Tether, and then they can use Tether to buy Bitcoin.
	So dollar printing is funding Bitcoin.
	And that's why the Bitcoin price is inflated by currency printing.
	And the other effect, like I said, is that then Tether purchases treasuries so that the U.S. Treasury has a market, somebody willing to buy its treasuries.
	You got it?
	So as long as the U.S. Treasury can find new buyers for the treasuries, they can keep expanding their debt.
	The debt Ponzi scheme can continue to grow.
	The problem is that Tether isn't big enough to fund all the debt printing that the U.S. government wants to engage in.
	I don't know how much Tether is created in a typical month.
	Let me just, let's look that up.
	All right, so I ran that through AI and it says that this is about a little over $40 billion of Tether created in the last year.
	Okay, $40 billion is not going to fund the U.S. government, correct?
	The U.S. government needs trillions of dollars a year.
	And the money from Tether or Tether buying the treasuries helps a little bit, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the spending appetite of the U.S. government.
	So in essence, what the Treasury needs and what Trump needs is a much larger version of Tether.
	They need a bigger scam.
	And I'm going to call it a scam because, again, Tether's not backed by actual money.
	It's backed by IOUs stated in a currency, which is a fiat currency, which does not fit the definition of money, it turns out.
	Because the definition of money includes the property that it must hold its value.
	The dollar does not hold its value.
	And so when they say stable coins, understand it's not stable.
	It's actually, they should be called erosion coins because the value is eroding with the dollar.
	So if you own, you know, 100 million tether coins, let's say, well, the value of those tether coins is dropping just as fast as the value of the dollar, which is reflected in inflation, increased prices on everything from groceries to health insurance to whatever, car parts.
	So the moniker of stable coin is a deception.
	Stable coins are not stable.
	The only stable coin that would be stable would be a stable coin backed by gold or silver, something that's real and physical, that has held value over thousands of years.
	The dollar does not fit that, nor does any fiat currency, not the yen, not the Euro, not the yuan, not the ruble, nothing.
	So when you hear stable coins, oh, they must be stable.
	No, they're not.
	Stable coins are falling every day that the currency is falling.
	So even though you say, well, one tether is always worth one dollar.
	Okay, but one dollar is not always worth one dollar.
	You see what I'm saying?
	That's why when you talk about dollars over time, economists often refer to things like 1986 dollars.
	What's that?
	Well, that's the value of the dollar in 1986.
	Why would you have to go back in time to 1986?
	Well, you can pick any year, but the dollars became worth less and less each year subsequent to that.
	So stable coins are not stable, and the dollar is not stable.
	The dollar is losing value, and thus stable coins are losing value.
	Now, so what Trump and Lutnick and Besent, what they need is a big Ponzi scheme, a big debt scheme, in order to convince people to buy a bunch of treasuries.
	You got it?
	They need the whole world, but especially Americans and a lot of other people, they need a bunch of people to line up and buy treasuries so that the government won't collapse from the implosion of the dollar debt Ponzi scheme.
	If they can sell treasuries, they can keep this scam going a little bit longer, maybe a few years longer.
	So if Trump and Lutnick and Besant were, well, and J.D. Vance too, because he supports this, if they were all just to roll out a bunch of banners and say, hey, everybody, buy treasuries.
	People would be like, are you kidding me?
	No way.
	We're not buying treasuries.
	That's boring.
	We're not going to buy treasuries.
	Why?
	Why should we buy treasuries?
	It wouldn't fly.
	Nobody would just hand over all their money for treasuries.
	But if instead, if Trump and Lutnik and Basent, if they say, buy this new stable coin, and then the stablecoin will buy the treasuries, then all kinds of people are like, hell yeah, that's awesome.
	It's crypto.
	It's cool.
	It's awesome.
	And they'll hand over all their money to buy stablecoins that are primarily just buying treasuries.
	So you're buying treasuries by proxy when you're buying this new stablecoin.
	Now, the new law that has just been approved by the House, the new law, the Genius Act, allows big private banks, you can just fill in the blank with JPMorgan right there, to issue their own private stablecoins.
	These are essentially government surveilled coins because JPMorgan will function as a proxy surveillance corporation for the government.
	And this is how the government gets around many of the limitations and the civil rights guardrails on its own surveillance of the American people.
	A bank can surveil people.
	Hey, JP Morgan does it already.
	Just like they laundered censorship during the Biden administration through big tech.
	They had Google carry out the censorship or they had YouTube or they had Facebook carry out the censorship.
	And the government could say, well, we're not censoring.
	But they did provide the list to Google of who to censor, correct?
	Same thing's going to happen with JPMorgan and the new stablecoin.
	So the government's going to say, we will grant you the right to create a stablecoin.
	That's what this Genius Act actually does.
	But we, the government, we're going to audit it.
	We're going to force you to have KYC rules.
	That's know your customer.
	We're going to have anti-money laundering rules, et cetera, all kinds of surveillance, all kinds of reporting.
	If somebody deposits too much money, you got to issue a report.
	If somebody withdraws too much money, if somebody transfers too much money, et cetera.
	And the blockchain for this, if it is indeed run by blockchain, we don't even know that yet, but if it's run by a blockchain, it won't be a distributed, decentralized blockchain like Bitcoin.
	It'll be a blockchain run by JPMorgan.
	So it won't be decentralized.
	It will be centralized.
	It would be a centrally controlled digital currency run by a powerful banking cartel that has been found guilty of manipulating silver prices, for example.
	A banking cartel that is essentially functioning as a proxy for the federal government itself.
	Now, if this had happened under a President Biden or President Kamala Harris, most conservatives would say they'd lose their minds.
	They said, we're not going to participate in that.
	That's a CBDC.
	That's government surveillance.
	It's a prison system.
	You know, it's a digital prison of your money.
	And they're going to shut you off when they don't like what you're doing or they don't like what you say.
	People would not have gone along with it.
	But with Trump as president, all the so-called pro-liberty conservatives, they or many of them are lining up.
	They love this idea because it just has the crypto vibe to it.
	Oh, it's crypto.
	That's cool.
	It's stable coins.
	That's awesome.
	So Trump is, as Catherine Austin Fitz told me today, Trump is the Pied Piper that is marching conservatives directly into digital slavery.
	And it's called the Genius Act, and there's a related act called the Stable Act also.
	And what these do is they create a CBDC, a digital surveillance control grid, in order to convince people to effectively buy up treasury debt so that the federal government can print more fake fiat currency and get away with it so they can fund more wars,
	more bombs, more propaganda, more covert operations, revolutions, assassinations, black ops, everything with the CIA, et cetera.
	Secret weapons programs, DOD programs.
	That's what this is.
	So if you buy into this, and there's going to be a ton of hype, it's going to be pro-Trump hype, that you got to get these new stable coins.
	This is the new thing.
	It's so cool.
	This is where your money is going to be safe.
	It's backed by the U.S. government, which is broke.
	If you buy into this, what you are doing is you are providing a financial lifeline to a corrupt criminal cartel system that will use your money to wage war, often against innocent people.
	That's what this is.
	Marjorie Taylor Greene, she tweeted about this.
	She said, remember when Canada froze the truckers' bank accounts and crypto when they protested against vaccine mandates?
	You know, that was the Freedom Convoy.
	Remember that?
	She says, that was Canada, not China.
	Congress is passing a bill today, the Genius Act, that opens the back door to a central bank digital currency, CBDC.
	The Fed has been working on this for years.
	The ultimate goal is to move us to a cashless society and digital currency.
	House Republicans want a ban on CBDCs, but the Senate says they don't have enough votes to pass a ban.
	Johnson refused to allow us to make amendments to the bill, she's referring to Speaker Mike Johnson, and says he will put the ban on CBDCs in the upcoming NDAA.
	But if it won't pass now, it won't pass then, says Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	So why are we passing bills to lay the groundwork for a CBDC that can be used against us in the future by another authoritarian regime?
	We saw what a politically weaponized government looked like the past four years.
	Just wait until we get another one that can turn off your bank account and stop your ability to buy and sell.
	I'm voting no.
	And she is correct.
	She's correct.
	So Trump has declared this week to be crypto week because of a couple of bills that Trump is aggressively pushing.
	Actually, it's three different bills, I believe.
	And there's been some resistance to this, but not much.
	Scott Bescent, the Treasury Secretary, said last month that this legislation could help this new stablecoin currency grow into a $3.7 trillion market by the end of the decade.
	You see?
	See what that is?
	But, of course, the stablecoin has to adhere to Trump's tariffs and economic sanctions and anti-money laundering and all that kind of nonsense that's already been weaponized against other countries, like the SWIFT system being cut off from Russia.
	But note that Besant said this could grow into a $3.7 trillion market by the end of the decade.
	See, that means that if people buy $3.7 trillion in the new stablecoin, that would be $3.7 trillion of purchases of treasuries.
	So Besant is looking at this and saying, hey, we found a way to sell off $3.7 trillion in treasury debt.
	That's a pretty decent chunk.
	It's about 10% of the current national debt.
	Pretty big chunk, right?
	And that's what this is.
	This is a gimmick.
	This is a con to try to find suckers to buy what will soon be worthless U.S. Treasury debt.
	If you buy stable coins based on the dollar and then the dollar collapses, what are your stable coins worth?
	They're worth zero, right?
	Because they're worth whatever the dollar is worth.
	Dollar collapses, stablecoin collapses.
	Not stable, like I said.
	But it's a con to con you out of your money.
	This is like the final stage of the rape and pillage of the American people to try to convince people to turn over whatever money they manage to hold on to, to turn it over to a bunch of shyster criminals that are in the Trump administration who are running the treasury.
	And what they're going to do is they're going to use it to just prop up debt, even though they know eventually this Ponzi scheme collapses.
	They know that.
	And when it does, let me ask you this question.
	Who's going to have value?
	Who's got something remaining that's worth anything?
	You know the answer.
	It's people who are holding gold and silver or other hard assets like land.
	But gold and silver is where it's at.
	Not dollars, not stablecoins.
	And given that Bitcoin, even though overall I am an advocate of decentralized crypto and privacy crypto, but given that Bitcoin is heavily propped up by Tether, and Tether was sort of the pilot project of this con, and Tether has not subjected itself to actual audits.
	So Tether is a black box, but it says it holds a lot of Treasury debt.
	Well, if the U.S. government defaults on Treasury debt, what happens to Tether?
	Tether coins collapse and then the value of Bitcoin collapses in that scenario.
	But gold and silver are not subject to those systemic risks at all because there's no counterparty risk in gold and silver.
	This is something that Andy Sheckman has repeated again and again every time I've interviewed him.
	You've heard this before.
	Gold has no counterparty risk.
	What does that mean?
	That in order for the gold that you have to hold value, it's not contingent upon some other party keeping their word or meeting their obligations.
	So money in the bank has counterparty risk.
	You are trusting the bank to make good on your withdrawal request.
	You're trusting that they have the money and that they're willing to give it to you.
	And sometimes when banks fail, that turns out to not be the case.
	The bank will just not give you your money.
	Sorry, you're a creditor now because it's technically not even your money anymore after you give it to the bank.
	Gold doesn't have that problem.
	You have gold in your hand.
	Nobody else has to keep their promise for that gold to maintain value.
	And it's actually very liquid value.
	You can offer that gold.
	You could sell it anywhere.
	In any culture, in any country in the world, that gold has value, which isn't true for currencies.
	Currencies are very regional, very local.
	Gold is universal.
	Almost every human on the planet recognizes gold.
	Even cultures that don't understand economics, they still value gold.
	It's intrinsic.
	So the smart play here is that as JP Morgan rolls out this new stable coin, and I don't know what it's going to be called, I don't know, like stable Satan coins or something, mark of the beast Morgan.
	I don't know.
	Whatever it is, don't buy it.
	Don't buy into it because you're just funding the Ponzi scheme.
	And ultimately, you're going to lose everything that's in those coins because it will collapse.
	This is just the extension of the Ponzi.
	It's not a long-term sustainable system because it's ultimately backed by nothing.
	Nothing.
	Not even a little bit of gold.
	I mean, you know, before 1971, the dollar was backed by gold.
	The dollar was redeemable in gold.
	But Richard Nixon changed all that, and since then, the money printing has gone insane.
	When you buy treasuries, what are the treasuries backed by?
	Nothing except the, quote, full faith and credit of the United States of America.
	Well, do you have faith in the quote full faith and credit of a country that is nearly 40 trillion in debt, a country that prints fake fiat currency, a country that lies constantly, a country that spends a trillion dollars a year on its military, bombs other countries, starts wars, you know, rigs elections, has abandoned the rule of law.
	Do you trust that country to make good on its obligations?
	Well, if you do, you're a fool.
	I mean, it's just, that's just honest truth.
	And even if you're a fan of crypto, if you've been a fan of crypto, and I am a fan of crypto, you should understand that the original cipherpunk philosophy of crypto was, get the government out of our business.
	Let's have a decentralized blockchain that no government can counterfeit, that no government can spy on.
	And even in the early days of Bitcoin, it was promoted as something that was private, although that was never true.
	It's a completely transparent blockchain, open to anybody, turns out.
	They can see all your transactions.
	But now this new law, the Genius Act, takes the idea of a stablecoin and puts it under the surveillance of the government.
	So now the government will regulate it and monitor it and audit it and control it.
	And then the government can tell J.P. Morgan who to sanction, which wallets to cut off.
	So like Marjorie Taylor Greene says, it's only a matter of time before either this administration, well, let's just say the Trump administration decides to cut off the money of anybody who criticizes Israel.
	Well, there's no question they're going to do that.
	And then maybe the next administration, if it's Democrats, they will say that we're going to cut off all your funding if you don't take the vaccines, whatever the new jab is at the time, because they're always going to roll out another vaccine emergency.
	So you don't take the vaccine, your wallet basically gets frozen, locked up, which is exactly what Western governments did to Russia, cutting off Russia from the SWIFT system, seizing $300 billion in Russian assets, and then saying, we didn't steal it, we just froze it.
	See, that's the excuse that you're going to be given.
	Your own government's going to say to you, well, we didn't steal your money, your stable coin.
	We didn't steal it.
	We just froze it.
	And you're like, well, I can't buy groceries with it.
	So you effectively stole it.
	Oh, no, we didn't.
	We didn't steal it.
	We just froze it.
	You can unlock it.
	Just take your jabs.
	Just wear a mask.
	Just watch what you say online.
	Stop your mean tweets.
	Just make sure you support LGBT, transgenderism, child mutilations, and then you'll get your wallet turned back on.
	That kind of nonsense, right?
	You can imagine that.
	If they had that power, they would use it.
	And this gives them that power.
	This gives them that power.
	So the GOP and Trump are pushing a total prison camp, a financial digital prison camp or prison planet system that will enslave the American people under the authoritarian control of all future governments, whether they be wicked or otherwise.
	Your money will not be in your control.
	Your money will be subject to the whims of the regime.
	Now, since they control your stable coins, they can also automatically extract your tax money.
	So instead of waiting for you to file taxes, they'll just take it.
	They'll just take whatever they think your taxes are, which might be everything you've ever earned.
	Who knows?
	They can automatically fine you.
	So you tweet something that they don't like.
	Oh, mean tweet, you know, $500 fine, blip, it's gone out of your account.
	What?
	I can't buy food this week, you know.
	Sorry, that's just the way it works.
	Mean tweets, $500.
	Or 500 stable coin dollars that are not stable.
	So Catherine Austin Fitz confirmed all of this in the interview, all of it.
	And again, I'll play that interview on Monday.
	And one of the key messages that Catherine says is don't allow yourself to be consumed by fear over this because there are many things that you can do.
	You actually have control over a lot of things.
	You can make a lot of choices to insulate yourself from this.
	And although we didn't talk about gold and silver per se in the interview because we ran out of time, there's no question that gold and silver are the best answer to this, but also to some extent just using cash.
	So one of the things that you can do right now to push back against all this stablecoin insanity is start using cash everywhere you go.
	I've been using cash for, I don't know, 15 years.
	Almost nothing but cash.
	If I buy groceries, I pay with cash.
	If I buy anything at retail, I pay with cash.
	I use cash for a couple of reasons.
	Number one, I want the privacy of cash, and you should too.
	And secondly, I want to remind all the merchants that they need to make sure they continue to accept cash.
	I don't want them to say one day, oh, cash is no longer accepted at the grocery store.
	You have to use the JP Morgan Mark of the Beast stablecoin in order to buy avocados.
	And you could see that day coming, right?
	Well, we've switched over to the digital system for your convenience.
	There'll be a sign in the window.
	It's all for your convenience.
	They'll say, yeah, bullcrap.
	It's for you to spy on all of us and spy on all our purchasing habits.
	And then two weeks later, I'll be getting all these coupons for avocado specials because they're like, no one buys more avocados than you.
	I don't want them to know how many avocados I buy.
	You see what I'm saying?
	My avocado habit is my own private business.
	So that's one thing that you can do.
	The second thing you can do is if you want to survive this, stack gold and silver.
	It really is simple.
	And I've been pondering this question for probably going on, well, I really started talking about this issue after the 2008 subprime market collapse, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, that whole thing.
	And I watched what happened and how all the correct big banks got bailed out.
	And then nobody went to jail.
	Nobody got arrested.
	It was a massive financial con.
	Nobody went to jail.
	Kind of like what's happening right now with, you know, the COVID aftermath.
	Fauci hasn't been arrested.
	Jeffrey Epstein files are being swept under the rug, right?
	James Comey hasn't been arrested.
	John Brennan hasn't been arrested.
	All the traitors.
	Nobody goes to jail in this country unless you're just really low on the totem pole.
	If you're a nobody, oh yeah, you can be prosecuted.
	But if you're a high-level person, even if you commit treason, you won't be prosecuted.
	In 2008, this is what happened.
	The banks stole hundreds of billions of dollars from the American people.
	They got caught and nobody went to jail.
	They got bailed out by the creation of trillions of dollars in new fake currency just printed and handed out by the United States Treasury.
	And that's when I really started talking about this.
	And I had predicted that housing crash.
	I was on the record talking about it, publishing about it, I think a year before it happened, saying that these housing prices are insane.
	I think I started talking about that in 2006 or 2007.
	I'd have to go back and check, but it was actually part of naturalnews.com back then on the record.
	So I've known that this dollar printing scheme was going to eventually collapse, but I didn't know when.
	I surmised that it would take a while, and I did not think we would make it this far, by the way.
	I did not think we'd get to almost 40 trillion in debt.
	And so I'm not sure how much longer this lasts.
	But if Trump and Lutnick, if they pull this off, Catherine Austin Fitz says, if they pull this off successfully, they might delay the collapse of the dollar by 10 to 15 years.
	That sounds optimistic to me.
	I wouldn't think that it would last that long, but then again, she's a sharp gal.
	She does tend to know what she's talking about.
	So you should give that proper credence to what she's saying.
	But that's based on the assumption that this plot works.
	Catherine also told me that there's a chance it might not work.
	And I specifically asked her about the threat of BRICS settlement systems or BRICS currencies versus the dollar hegemony.
	And she confirmed, yeah, BRICS is a very real, a huge threat to the dollar.
	And given that Trump especially is weaponizing the dollar infrastructure with sanctions and secondary sanctions, double sanctions, and triple sanctions, the world is moving away from the dollar anyway.
	So my guess is that this new stablecoin project will only be successful in a very tiny percentage of the world population.
	I think it will only fly in certain Western nations like the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, UK, etc.
	I think other countries will outlaw it and they'll have their own competing system, which might be sort of a retail version of a BRICS system, a BRICS stablecoin, let's say.
	Now, a BRICS stablecoin would almost certainly be backed by something like 40% gold and silver.
	Maybe the ratio wouldn't be that high, but it would be something.
	It would be real physical gold and silver behind the currency.
	This new stablecoin scheme that Trump and Lutnik are coming up with and JPMorgan, this is going to be backed by nothing.
	Nothing but useless treasury IOUs that have no intrinsic value whatsoever.
	But you'll be told it's backed by the safety and security of the U.S. dollar.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	The dollar is backed by nothing.
	It's like saying, what?
	Well, here's a tree, and it's backed by the shadow of the tree.
	The shadow doesn't even exist.
	It's just the absence of light.
	They said, no, it's backed by the shadow.
	What?
	Shadow currency, you know, which is treasuries.
	Treasuries are shadow money.
	They don't exist as real money.
	Remember what I said?
	I've used this term shadow quite a lot.
	I've talked about the shadow food system, which is a pale shadow of what real food should be.
	I've talked about shadow medical system.
	And here we have the shadow financial system, where money exists as only a shadow of what real money should be.
	So when they say, oh, the stablecoin is backed by dollars, you should immediately say, well, what are dollars backed by?
	And the answer, you know, ultimately will be, well, it's backed by nothing.
	It's just backed by people's belief in the system.
	Well, beliefs are fickle.
	Beliefs can shift very rapidly, especially based on world events.
	What if people suddenly lose faith in the U.S. dollar?
	Well, then the stable coins aren't very stable.
	Maybe we'll call them earthquake coins, tectonic plate shifting coins.
	Now, a very simple way to look at this is every dollar that you put into this new stable coin whenever it launches is a dollar flushed down the toilet, a dollar that you will lose forever.
	Whereas every dollar that you put into gold and silver is a dollar that you will keep forever.
	It really is that simple.
	Now, there will likely be some short-term utility in the stable coin.
	The stablecoin system might make it faster to send money to a friend or a family member or whatever.
	You might use it temporarily.
	Buy the stable coins at 9 a.m., send them at 10 a.m., and then you're done by 10.30, whatever.
	Yeah, great.
	You could use the infrastructure, just don't stay in it.
	Don't keep your dollars in that system because you'll lose it.
	You'll lose access to it.
	And if you don't think that the financial infrastructure can be weaponized against you, look at PayPal.
	PayPal canceled my accounts.
	PayPal canceled virtually all the accounts of conservatives over the last, let's say, eight years.
	They just did it without notice, without anything.
	Just boom, you're canceled.
	You're done.
	And they actually froze a bunch of money of lots of people, podcasters and influencers, a lot of important people, got wrecked by PayPal because PayPal just didn't like what they were saying, didn't like their politics.
	And since there were no laws blocking discrimination based on viewpoint in the financial system, you know, J.P. Morgan also canceled people's accounts.
	J.P. Morgan canceled, I think didn't they cancel General Flynn's account and many others?
	So look, it's already been proven they're going to weaponize the system against you.
	Don't think for a moment that this is going to be a fair and balanced and unbiased system, this stable coin.
	It's going to be weaponized.
	It's going to be a surveillance coin.
	It's going to be a control grid.
	If you use it, you are submitting to being a slave to a system run by a criminal cabal of banksters and government money launderers.
	So take that to heart.
	That may save you a lot of losses just to remember this.
	Because in the months ahead or the years ahead, you're going to see a lot of launches of these large banks launching stablecoins like this.
	There's going to be a lot of hype surrounding it.
	And they're going to make it look like the best thing in the world.
	You've got to use this.
	Download the wallet.
	Use the app.
	Scan your eyeballs.
	Use the biometrics.
	Yeah.
	Woohoo.
	There's bonuses.
	Yeah.
	It's all just a gimmick to sucker in gullible people who will lose everything.
	So I'm telling you right now, up front, whatever you put into that system, you should just assume it's going to be gone at some point.
	That whole system will at some point collapse.
	I don't think the dollar is going to make it long term.
	They might delay the collapse with this kind of scheme, but overall, the dollar doesn't make it.
	It's very clear that the world is shifting dramatically.
	You know, the era of the dominance of the U.S. is coming to an end.
	This is the last chapter.
	China is rising dramatically.
	Russia is rising.
	All these other countries, all these other currencies, they're outproducing us in terms of energy, industrial output, military output, technology output, AI research, rare earth minerals, everything.
	Even, you know, jet planes and whatever.
	Naval vessels.
	China has 200 times the dry dock capacity of the United States.
	200 times.
	Not 200%, 200 times more.
	That's where China's coming from.
	So obviously, a big part of the answer here, in my opinion, is to stack gold and silver.
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	I don't think.
	In fact, in my mind, I don't even, I don't so much care what the price of gold and silver is.
	I care about how many ounces that I've collected because I function as my own central bank.
	My savings is in gold and silver.
	And that's why I use vaulting services as well for the extra protection.
	And the Battalion Metals Company, they also have vaulting services.
	But right now, gold is like $3,300 plus.
	And silver is over $3,800 again right now.
	That's much higher for silver than it has been.
	I bought silver last at $30, and I neglected to buy gold below $3,300.
	But I just dollar cost average into gold and silver.
	I don't fret about pricing.
	I just keep stacking a little bit at a time.
	And at the end of the day, let me tell you, it's gold and silver that are going to see you through whatever financial crisis comes your way.
	So do your own research, make your own decisions, but that's my personal approach to this.
	All right, I've got two special reports for you here, and then I've got a new interview about the vulnerabilities of our power grid.
	And that's a new interview with David Tice, who's the creator of the film called Grid Down, Power Up.
	Or is it Power Up, Grid Down?
	Grid Down, Power Up.
	So the two reports I have here for you are Texas to become the new finance hub after the collapse of dollar hegemony, and then also a report on hybrid drone warfare and how it makes terrorism and sabotage attacks much easier for nefarious actors to carry out.
	Following those two special reports, we'll have the interview with David Tice.
	So enjoy the reports and enjoy the interview, and I'll have additional updates for you as everything progresses here.
	We shall see, right?
	All right.
	Enjoy the rest of the show.
	The collapse of the dollar is accelerating right now.
	I mean, we're actually in the collapse, okay?
	So the dollar has lost more than 10% of its value this year.
	It might reach 20% by the end of the year, while the Russian ruble is, of course, strong and skyrocketing in value.
	And the Russian economy is actually way healthier than America's economy.
	Now, I live in Texas, and the state of Texas, because I know a lot of the players in Texas, the state is preparing for the collapse of the dollar.
	Now, just recently, Governor Abbott signed into law a new Texas law that not only makes gold and silver legal currency, but importantly, starts a two-year process of establishing a Texas-run system whereby you can deposit physical gold and silver in the Texas depository,
	and then you can be issued a debit card to spend those metals at any retailer, you know, grocery store, gas station, whatever.
	And then as you spend it, your gold and silver is sold off.
	Now, why is Texas doing this?
	Now, they won't say this publicly, but I happen to know the real reason.
	The real reason is because Texas is positioning itself as the future financial hub of the new United States of America.
	Well, I mean, let me back up.
	It won't be called that.
	It won't be called the United States, and it might be actually regional states.
	But as the dollar collapses and Washington, D.C. collapses, which will be a blessing to the whole world, a blessing to humanity for that cesspool to stop functioning, you're either going to see the U.S. states form a new government, but most likely you're going to see a split of some kind.
	You're going to see a totally new structure put in place.
	It might be regional nation states, or it might be a new United States with some carve-outs for the blue cities, not even blue states, but just blue cities that refuse to participate in the next society, like Seattle, Portland, you know, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.
	But the rest of those states, Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, will, of course, be happy to join the new United States.
	It would be like LA might function as kind of a West Coast version of Singapore, but actually being poor instead of wealthy poor.
	So we would call it California Singapore, like sing a destitution, you know, that's what it would be.
	Sing of poverty.
	Whereas the actual nation of Singapore, which is basically a large city-state, is quite wealthy.
	That would not be the case with the blue cities in the United States that decide to separate from the new union, whatever that happens to be.
	But it's also very clear that the financial center of this will be in Texas.
	Why is that the case?
	Well, even right now, almost everybody who leaves California or who leaves New York, they want to come to either Texas or Florida.
	And, you know, Florida is a great state.
	Florida's got, of course, hurricanes and weather problems, etc.
	Florida doesn't have all the benefits that Texas has.
	Texas has this massive landmass.
	Texas is centrally located in the United States.
	Texas has this gold depository already years in the running with billions of dollars of transactions already in place.
	And also, Texas historically was its own nation.
	It was the Republic of Texas, unlike Florida, which was never its own nation before.
	So even the Texas Constitution allows it to revert to a nation under certain conditions.
	And those conditions may come to pass relatively soon, actually.
	In addition to that, Texas, of course, has ports on the Gulf of, well, the Gulf of Mexico, but Trump renamed it to the Gulf of There Are No Epstein files.
	I think that's the new name.
	And then Texas has food production.
	Texas has massive energy production, far more than, of course, Florida.
	I'm not slamming Florida.
	Florida is a great state.
	It just doesn't have everything that Texas has.
	Texas also is a technology center.
	And Texas has a larger population and a much larger GDP than does Florida by far.
	So Texas is a hub for energy, for food, for industry, for technology, and for aerospace, and also medicine, whatever we think of medicine, Texas is a strong hub for medicine or medical technology.
	So Texas is actually well positioned to be the capital of the next United States or whatever it's called, the new America, let's call it.
	And the most important decision in setting up a new nation or a new nation state, what have you, is about having honest money.
	If you don't have honest money, then you cannot function as a nation-state.
	In other words, looking back, people will say, well, what is it that brought down the United States of America?
	Well, obviously, it was undisciplined money printing, you know, among a few other factors, right, colonization efforts, global war, trying to police the nation, you know, angering all our trading partners with Trump tariffs and things like that, endless wars.
	Yeah, those are all factors too.
	But underlying all of that is the fact that the U.S. government, through the Treasury and then the banks or Fed, can print unlimited amounts of fake fiat currency, and it has no discipline to stop doing that.
	That is what led to the collapse of the dollar and the collapse of the U.S. Empire.
	That's what historians will say.
	I mean, it's kind of obvious at this point.
	So there's some very sharp people in Texas, and one of them is running for comptroller, Don Huffins.
	I think that's how we say his last name, Huffines.
	And he's a fiscal conservative, and he's a business owner, and he gets it.
	He understands how business operates, and he understands that honest money is really the only way to have a prosperous state economy.
	You have to have honest money.
	And that means you have to have money that's backed by gold and silver.
	I mean, gold and silver are real money.
	Currency itself is not technically money.
	So I should say you have to have currency backed by real money, which would be gold and silver.
	And that means that the state would have to function with a sense of financial discipline that the state cannot just print and print and print and thereby steal purchasing power from the people.
	And when the state cannot counterfeit currency and when the currency of the day is backed by physical gold and silver, then you have prosperity.
	Why?
	Because people who save money and then choose often to invest that money, they know that the value of that money is not going to be stolen by the state.
	They know that if they work and if they earn some money, they get to keep the vast majority of that money.
	And it looks to me like Texas is on track to be the nation or the regional nation state that has an honest money system.
	It's not 100% certain.
	So if you're listening to this and you live in Texas, you need to help me continue to push for this.
	When the dollar collapses, yes, we need a new Texas currency, but it cannot be a currency that the Republic of Texas can just print, print, print.
	That would be ruinous eventually.
	Yeah, it would create short-term prosperity, the illusion of prosperity, which is what the dollar has been, but it would create long-term catastrophe, and it would be the ruin of Texas.
	Now, why does this matter?
	Well, very likely the Texas currency being backed by gold and silver will very quickly be adopted by many other states, certainly neighboring states.
	You would see it happening in Louisiana and Arkansas and probably Oklahoma and much of the Midwest and probably much of the South actually would embrace the Texas currency.
	You might even see it all the way to New Mexico and Arizona.
	It's hard to say.
	And anybody who has physical gold and silver would do very well under this new system to deposit that gold and silver in the Texas-run depository and then be issued essentially Texas currency.
	Basically, you would sell your gold and silver for the new Texas currency, which is backed by gold and silver, and the Texas currency could be redeemed for gold and silver.
	Now, I'm not saying that the currency will be 100% backed by gold and silver.
	It might only be 20% backed or 25% backed, but often that's enough.
	That's enough to prevent massive runaway currency printing and inflation.
	And the multiplication factor of the currency would be limited, right?
	So if it's a 25% backing rate, then the limitation of the multiplier is four to one, right?
	And that's really important.
	So the currency is backed by something, something physical, something that cannot be counterfeited, something that has intrinsic value, something that's hard to acquire.
	That's gold.
	And something that has universal value recognized by every major bank and every nation, every culture in the world.
	So if you stack gold and silver today, then when this event happens, you will be able to trade in gold and silver for a massive amount of new currency in the state of Texas.
	And there might be other states that do this as well.
	I'm just using Texas as the most obvious example, and because I'm familiar with what's happening in Texas.
	Texas does seem to be the leader in this, but there's also a lot of innovation in places like Wyoming and to some extent in Arizona as well.
	So I do expect to see the Texas model actually replicated across many other states, but that will take time.
	It will take many years for other states to do what Texas has already accomplished.
	Texas is ahead of the curve.
	In other words, by a long shot at this point.
	So if you're wondering, okay, how do I insulate myself from the collapse of the dollar and the financial crap show that's going to happen following that?
	The answer is very simple, gold and silver.
	And I've been saying this for years, and it's become obvious as the value of gold and silver have both skyrocketed in terms of dollars.
	But along the way, people have always asked me, well, what do I do with the gold long term?
	How do I spend my gold?
	And Now we have a brand new answer.
	My previous answer has been: well, it's very simple.
	You're going to trade gold for land, or you'll buy a business with gold, or you'll buy a vehicle with gold, or you'll buy a house with gold, whatever, large purchase items.
	You'll be able to trade gold for those items, even as the dollar is collapsing.
	And the value of gold and silver will skyrocket as a result of the economic uncertainty, obviously.
	But under the new Texas system, there's even a better way to spend your gold.
	And one way, like I mentioned, has just been signed into law.
	It's going to go live in 2027.
	And that's where you deposit gold and silver and then you can spend it on a debit card run by the state of Texas.
	And that's innovative.
	It's interesting.
	Personally, I don't want the state of Texas to know what I'm buying with my debit card.
	I don't like to use debit cards anyway.
	I prefer to use cash.
	But that's also going to happen, where you'll be able to trade gold and silver for Texas cash, whatever that Texas cash looks like.
	You'll be able to trade your metals at very favorable rates to get all kinds of new cash.
	Why?
	Because, look, during the collapse of the dollar, it's very likely that there will be a revaluation of gold.
	The federal government will be engaged in some desperate last-ditch efforts, and they will try to write off trillions of dollars in debt in order to readjust the balance sheet to bring down the debt-to-GDP ratio, something closer to maybe 70% instead of over 100%.
	And one way to do that would be to revalue gold at $20,000 an ounce or $25,000 an ounce or even $40,000 or $50,000 an ounce.
	And through some spreadsheet magic, they can then use that and the existing gold deposits.
	They can issue basically gold notes, which the Fed can purchase.
	And in that transaction, then the Treasury can write off trillions of dollars in debt and they can bring back the debt to GDP ratio down under something like 70%.
	George Gammon was talking about that in a recent video that made a lot of sense.
	And all the documents about this are out there on the internet.
	I mean, they're published documents.
	This is a known method.
	Well, think about it.
	If you hold gold and silver in that scenario, if you hold any amount of gold, I mean, any decent amount, like right now, you can buy a gold coin for what, $3,500, let's say, give or take?
	Well, all of a sudden that could be worth 10 times that much in dollars.
	You're going to find that you're holding a massive command over the currency when you hold gold.
	And that will also be translated into new currencies.
	So if Texas issues a new currency, Texas, if they try to have it like on par with the dollar, let's say, then Texas might be willing to give you something like 25 to 50,000 Texas dollars for one ounce of gold.
	So if you have 10 ounces of gold, you know, you have a quarter of a million Texas dollars, let's say.
	Now, I don't know this for certain.
	Obviously, this is just my perception of where this is headed.
	But it makes sense that holding gold and silver will allow you to command a tremendous amount of currency as new currencies are introduced and as the dollar collapses.
	So the very best thing to do right now in terms of financial asset protection, in my opinion, is to stack gold and silver.
	Now, does crypto have a role in this?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's just that I don't know where Bitcoin is going and I don't know what happens to Bitcoin when the dollar collapses given that so much of Bitcoin is propped up by Tether and Tether is largely invested in treasuries.
	And treasuries will collapse, which means Tether's assets will collapse.
	So I don't know what that means for Bitcoin.
	Your guess is as good as mine.
	But where I do have certainty is with gold and silver.
	So stack gold, stack silver.
	That's my advice.
	You know, do your own research, talk to your own financial advisors.
	Don't take my advice as gospel.
	Do what's best for you.
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	As far as other strategies go, I say limit your exposure to the dollar.
	Make sure you have hard assets.
	Land is something to consider.
	Owning a business is something to consider.
	Having a backup supply of diesel, fuel, et cetera, all these things you've heard me talk about.
	These are all very valid strategies for what's coming.
	And I don't know the timetable in all of this, of course.
	I don't.
	I just know it's coming because I can do math.
	It's coming.
	The collapse of the dollar is inevitable.
	I just don't know when.
	So be prepared for all those circumstances at all times.
	And thank you for listening.
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	So, we recently saw two examples of hybrid drone warfare carried out.
	One against Iran, and this was where Israel, using this same kind of blueprint of sort of cargo trucks with containers that would open up and launch drones, they were attacking Iran's ballistic missile launchers.
	And this happened in June.
	And we saw another example, actually an earlier example in Russia, where Ukraine had managed to put some loads on some trucks and convince some Russian truck drivers to drive these truckloads and park them next to these airfields.
	And then remotely, Ukraine, and no doubt they worked with MI6 on this, they were able to open up the top of the containers and they launched all these drones out of the containers.
	And then the drones attacked the airfields and did some amount of damage, destroying some older strategic bombers, TU-95s.
	Some of them were just there for spare parts.
	Some of them did not have engines, etc.
	But the point is, this was a demonstration of a new kind of hybrid warfare that I believe can be used against the United States, obviously.
	So here's the thing.
	In order to attack Russian airfields, think about it, Ukraine did not have to launch a missile from Ukraine, a missile that could be taken out by an air defense system.
	And for Israel to attack the ballistic missile launchers in Iran, they did not have to fire a missile from Israel.
	All they had to do was get a cargo truck close enough to where the drones could carry out the rest.
	So if you think that America is protected by oceans and that countries that are at war with the United States, that they can't really reach us because their missiles don't fly far enough, such as Iran, let's say.
	Well, in reality, all they need to do is to be able to get cargo trucks close enough to where they can open up and launch a bunch of drones.
	And those drones may have explosives or they may have chemical agents or biological agents or even dirty bomb agents.
	I'm going to talk about that one specifically.
	And they may detonate over maybe a power grid substation or a populated area, a city in the United States.
	So drones have changed the nature of warfare so dramatically that I think many people have not yet really caught up to this.
	And drones are also, as you'll see soon, probably, they're changing the nature of terrorism.
	So acts of terror can easily be carried out with drones now, even though many years ago, it would have been very, very difficult for those similar acts or acts with similar effects to have been carried out.
	So one of the things that you need to know about this is that today's off-the-shelf drones are very, very capable.
	I mean, many of those drones that you can buy right now online have payload capacities of like 10 kilograms.
	They have range capabilities of something like 30 to 40 kilometers.
	And they can be pre-programmed to go to specific GPS coordinates.
	And you can buy add-on things that would do something like, you know, disperse an agent or drop a grenade or other kinds of things, little actuators.
	So think about this.
	Right now, cloud seeding operations, for example, are carried out using drones.
	You fly a couple of drones up into the sky and you disperse a seeding agent.
	And as we recently learned, one pound of seeding agent can produce 40 million pounds of rainfall.
	That's, I mean, wow.
	That also tells you that, of course, weather can be weaponized as an act of terrorism under certain conditions.
	And many of us believe that weather is being weaponized right now.
	This is why we're seeing so many floods all of a sudden in different places across the United States.
	But far beyond that, imagine the potential of a nefarious actor using a drone to either drop explosives on a power grid substation or using a drone to, let's say, disperse a chemical agent over a populated area.
	I mean, they're already dispersing cloud seeding agents in the sky, so clearly that technology exists and it isn't, frankly, it's probably not that difficult.
	I've never worked with drones that have any kind of a, like an aerosolizing mechanism, but I would imagine it's not that difficult.
	It takes a little bit of air pressure and a nozzle.
	I mean, you know, come on.
	You do that at home in your garden, spraying neem oil on your plants.
	You know, you pump your sprayer and it's aerosolized.
	Okay, so that's easy.
	The real question is, how easy is it for a terrorist to load up dirty bomb radioactive material and blow it up over the sky of a city, thereby causing widespread wind dispersion of radioactive particles or radioactive dust?
	See, to me, that stands as a very high percentage event that seems to be very likely to happen at some point.
	And the drone could be launched from miles away and then flown right over the target zone.
	And the terror group doing this, it wouldn't even need much in the way of funding.
	They could probably just steal the dirty bomb material from a medical equipment supply company or something, or they could intercept a shipment of some X-ray imaging equipment or whatever, dental X-ray machines.
	I don't know.
	I mean, all these radioisotopes exist in medical imaging equipment, and occasionally they go missing, you know.
	So, somebody who was determined and even decently well-funded could probably get their hands on some kind of, I don't know, like strontium-91 or what, I don't know what isotopes they would use.
	They'd probably irradiate themselves in the process, by the way, but maybe they don't care.
	And they'd get on a drone, they fly it over, just walk out to the city park or something, you know, launch a drone, and then just fly it over the city and press a button, and it detonates.
	And then now the winds spread it.
	So just by watching the prevailing winds, they would know the dispersion pattern that they would get.
	And it's, you know, it's not that that dirty bomb would directly kill so many people.
	That's not where the damage comes from.
	It probably wouldn't kill anybody except the person who put it together.
	But it would render a large area uninhabitable for some period of time during a radiological decontamination effort.
	And there's a psychological panic that comes with radioactive material for lots of reasons.
	I mean, this is like classic terrorism.
	It's designed to terrorize people, to scare people.
	People are very much afraid of radioactive material for lots of reasons.
	The biggest reason being that they don't understand it.
	The typical American is not really good at science, didn't really pay attention in school, etc.
	They don't understand half-lives.
	They don't understand ionizing radiation versus non-ionizing.
	They don't understand gamma rays, whatever.
	So in the movies, radioactive material is always depicted as something that glows green.
	And if you're anywhere near it, you're dead.
	Now, that's nonsense, actually.
	But that's the way Hollywood depicts it.
	In the same way that somebody that's shot with a shotgun is lifted off the floor and blasted back 20 feet through the air and then hits the wall.
	That's Hollywood.
	Hollywood ballistics.
	And Hollywood does the same thing with radioactive material, whatever it's in the scripts.
	Radiation is like the worst possible thing, and it's going to kill you instantly.
	So people will freak out.
	The minute the news says, oh my God, there's a radiation cloud over LA or whatever, everybody's going to lose their minds.
	You have to evacuate this whole area.
	People will go insane.
	That's the terrorism.
	And then you'll have the economic consequences of the complete shutdown of that portion of the city, let's say, with all the losses of, you know, retail losses and business operations losses.
	And I mean, if they hit a port or something like this, then you lose, obviously, the functioning of the port.
	And then you got to bring in all the experts at assessment and decontamination.
	And then the decontamination process itself can take a long time.
	And during all of this, you're losing economic productivity.
	People are freaking out.
	Everybody's showing up at the hospital thinking they have radiation poisoning.
	And maybe some people do, but a lot of people will just sort of make it real.
	They'll just show up.
	I feel sick, Doc.
	Am I dying?
	Is my skin going to fall off?
	And no, you had some bad pizza or something, you know?
	But my point here is that it's obviously relatively easy today for a terror actor group to carry this out.
	And if you want a demonstration of this, just look at COVID.
	The U.S. government probably dropped toxic particles on New York City and then called it COVID.
	I mean, that's probably what happened.
	But that's a different podcast.
	The government knows how easy this is.
	I mean, you know, the U.S. government ran its own operations, Operation Sea Spray, 1950, testing the dispersion of deadly bacteria over the city of San Francisco, and they killed people.
	Oops.
	They found out how quickly they can spread it, you know, so the government's been running these experiments for a long time, and terrorists have obviously figured this out as well.
	But now you have to ask the question, what about micronukes?
	Can micronuclear warheads be lifted into the air above cities and detonated just with a drone?
	And the answer clearly is yes.
	So you may know that there are artillery shells that are nuclear, 155 millimeter diameter artillery shells, you know, 155s.
	And they have very low yields, like, I think, less than a kiloton, which is low for a nuke.
	And these exist.
	They're in the possession of the U.S. Army.
	They could launch low-yield nuclear artillery shells in any land war.
	It hasn't happened yet, to my knowledge, but it could happen.
	Well, what if a terrorist were to get a hold of one of those rounds?
	Could they have a drone, theoretically, lift that round into the air and fly it above a city and detonate it there?
	And I'm sure the military has some secure methods, like you have to type in a code and it's a super secret code or something, you would think.
	I mean, I don't know how nuclear artillery works, but it's probably not just that anybody can just grab around and use it.
	It's probably got some security mechanisms, right?
	You would think.
	So it's probably not an easy thing to do, but just suppose maybe there's somebody in the military that has access to those codes and wants to carry out this act of terrorism.
	Or somebody's paid off or somebody's blackmailed or somebody's coerced into this and they've got the access.
	Could they load up an artillery round on a drone and fly it over a city and detonate it?
	And I think the answer is yes.
	And so what would a one kiloton explosion do over a U.S. city?
	Well, frankly, it wouldn't do a lot of damage.
	Remember that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in the 15, 16 kiloton range, something like that, which is also considered very small by today's standards.
	But if you were to take, let's say, 1 15th of that and have a 1 kiloton nuclear detonation over a city, you know, physically it wouldn't do that much, but psychologically, it would be, oh, America just got nuked.
	Even though, again, the number of people dying from that event would be shockingly low.
	Very few buildings would even be damaged, except maybe the ones right next to the drone, you know?
	I mean, a one kiloton explosion, I'm not trying to say it's a small thing, but in the air over a city, it is kind of a small thing.
	I mean, look, for starters, you do know that every airburst nuclear weapon expends half of its energy up, right?
	I mean, only half the yield goes down to the ground.
	The other half goes up into the air.
	So you have a one kiloton nuke.
	It's only half a kiloton coming down.
	And a very small portion of that goes straight down with a very high impact.
	The rest of it's going at angles, you know.
	So think of a rapidly expanding sphere of energy.
	That entire sphere is one kiloton equivalent of TNT.
	So most of it is just harmlessly dissipated into the air.
	Now, would it make a loud boom?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Big boom.
	Would it shatter a bunch of windows?
	Absolutely.
	Sure.
	Might shatter windows on buildings for half a mile radius.
	I don't know.
	I'm just guessing.
	But is it going to destroy all those concrete buildings?
	No.
	No.
	Not unless it's detonated right next to one.
	But nevertheless, you can see my point here, that drones enable terrorists to carry out hybrid attacks now that were unthinkable before.
	And I'm not anti-drone, just for the record.
	I think drones are great.
	I love the idea that we can buy drones and we can fly around and do drone racing.
	And with a thermal camera, you can look for lost cattle and things like that.
	There's a lot of agricultural uses of drones.
	You can look at plant growth.
	You can use infrared cameras for that.
	It's agricultural uses.
	There's search and rescue uses.
	All kinds of uses for drones.
	Perimeter security.
	Inspection.
	There's a lot of inspection drones that can inspect like, let's say, communication towers.
	You want to fly up there and inspect the bolts on the side of a tower that's a thousand meters tall or whatever.
	You don't want to climb up there.
	Send a drone up there.
	So drones are great.
	But drones also then enable many different types of warfare attacks or terrorism attacks that were not possible before.
	I'm aware of drones being used to deliver illegal weapons cargo across the U.S. southern border.
	I've talked to you about this before, according to one of my sources.
	There are anti-personnel landmines that have been delivered via drone across the Arizona border, you know, from Mexico, obviously.
	So drones can run cargo in a way that is very, very difficult for the U.S. to interdict.
	Drones are small.
	I know they have a remote ID they're supposed to broadcast, but I'm pretty sure the Narco cartels have figured out how to remove all that stuff.
	So they're basically just stealth drones flying around, delivering landmines and RPGs and whatever, or cocaine for that matter, right?
	So drones are presenting all kinds of new risks, even for drug interdiction.
	But then on the positive side, our border patrol, or customs and border protection, they can use drones to monitor the border.
	So drones can be used to keep an eye on the whole border situation with automated flights and thermal camera and AI imaging in ways that humans could not do before.
	So that's a very positive use of drones for national security or border security.
	That's why I think, by the way, in my estimation, the drug cartels are going to end up using a lot of land-based drones, like dog bots that just walk around on the land because they're much harder to detect.
	They can, I mean, they can stop and hide and they can be painted with camo or whatever.
	And they don't need water.
	They can take their time.
	They could even have maybe solar panels on top.
	They could kind of stop and recharge for a day, you know, and then move on the next day, do another 10 miles the next day, whatever.
	I mean, I think land-based drones are going to be moving drugs in huge quantities, but with small decentralized units.
	That's my guess.
	And they're going to be very hard to detect.
	So what's our defense against all of this?
	Well, right now it's just knowledge.
	Be aware that these things can happen and call for peace.
	You know, anytime we have wars in the world, we're making more enemies.
	And those enemies are then motivated to come to the U.S. and find ways to hurt us.
	And drones make it easier for them to hurt us in innovative ways that are very difficult to prevent.
	And a simple thing for drones to do is just drop grenades on power grid substations, things like that, and to take out a substation, start plunging America into darkness.
	And that alone can cause deaths, and it can cause hospitals to go offline, and it can cause 911 Emergency response services to go offline and things like that.
	And that's low-tech, man.
	That's very low-tech.
	I mean, the drug cartels already demonstrated that capability.
	They were dropping grenades on law enforcement, I'm pretty sure.
	Dropping grenades on ranchers in southern Texas.
	Now, can you use a drone defensively?
	Well, yeah, to some extent, you can use a drone to keep a lookout on your own property.
	You do need a sort of a, I think it's called a trust license.
	I've got one of those.
	You need to take an online course and pass a simple test, and then you get this license number effectively from the FAA for line of sight control of a drone.
	You know, you just have to understand basic rules like you can't fly over airports, dumbass.
	You know, don't fly your drone over a football stadium.
	I mean, yeah.
	And maintain line of sight and respect the, you know, the FAA alerts about restricted air sectors and, you know, things like that, right?
	You take the course, you can get a license, you can get a drone.
	But to have a drone fly autonomously to do like perimeter patrol, yeah, that's a whole different level of licensing and that's very difficult to get.
	I've checked into that a little bit, but not something I'm going to do.
	But I would imagine that that area of technology is going to become more mature and maybe the licensing will get easier for like small perimeter drones that fly around your house.
	Or better, yeah, they'll probably be like little robot drone dogs that'll just walk around the perimeter of your house.
	And the FAA won't have any jurisdiction over that because they're not flying.
	So that'll probably be the way most people go for perimeter security is like an autonomous dog drone with a thermal camera and Wi-Fi connection to report back to you if it sees something weird and to just walk around every couple of hours and then go recharge itself.
	So that's probably what you'll end up having if you're going to get a security drone.
	Something to think about.
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	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And today we're joined by a special guest who was deeply involved in the production of a film called Grid Down, Power Up.
	And the film highlights some of the vulnerabilities of our current power grid and the simple ways, relatively simple, that we can help protect the power grid from all kinds of things, including EMP or solar flares.
	But also there's a cyber warfare threat against our power grid.
	And right now, what's really new about this this year is that the AI industry is incredibly power hungry.
	And Trump, partnering with many powerful corporations, wealthy corporations, has announced over a trillion dollars of investment in AI data centers in the United States, a large number of those to be built in Texas.
	Texas has its own power grid.
	But there's not enough power on the Texas power grid to power all the data centers that they want to build.
	So how do you solve that?
	Well, we're going to talk about nuclear power and other topics here today with our guest, David Tice.
	Welcome, Mr. Tice, to the show today.
	It's been a while, but it's good to have you back.
	Good to be on with you, Michael.
	Yeah, thank you for taking the time here.
	Now, your film, Grid Down Power Up, it's been out a year and a half or so, something like that.
	Is that right?
	Correct.
	You want to tell us just briefly about that film and where people can check it out?
	Yes.
	So the film is Grid Down Power Up.
	The website is griddownpowerup.com.
	Your viewers, as I was telling you before, are among the smartest and most informed listeners in the world because they have the benefit of your wisdom and being so articulate about this.
	We talk about four major threats.
	One, physical attack, two, cyber attack, three, EMP attack, and four, geomagnetic disturbance.
	And the threat is if one of those attacks was able to take out the grid on a nationwide basis, the EMP Commission that operated for 17 years at the behest of Congress found that as many as 90% of American citizens might die.
	And therefore, we're trying to inspire a movement.
	And in fact, we're having some success.
	We've shown the film on Capitol Hill with a briefing where we had a few congressmen attend a number of staffers, as well as remarks delivered by four-star General Wesley Clark.
	And we just passed legislation in the state of Texas.
	Senator Bob Hall, who is a real patriot treasurer, has been working for five different sessions.
	And we passed Senate Bill 75, just passed into law by Governor Greg Abbott.
	And this will establish a grid protection commission that's going to come up with specific requirements in terms of better protection in the Texas grid.
	Well, I'm, of course, very relieved to hear that.
	But as you know, Texas is the only state that essentially has its own standalone power grid run by, well, the oversight is ERCOT or ERCOT, E-RCOT, just for our listeners.
	I know you know that, David.
	But then there's the Eastern Grid for the U.S., and then there's the Western grid for the U.S. And as far as I know, no such effort that you just mentioned is being applied to those grids, which account for most of the population.
	Is there any hope for a similar effort for the rest of the country?
	Well, we're hoping to extend it.
	And that's why we need your viewers to be active and vocal.
	And please share the link about the movie with their friends.
	I didn't before tell you where you could watch it.
	It's been on YouTube up till just a couple of weeks ago.
	We took it down while we're trying to entertain, getting it on Netflix or HBO.
	It's going to be back on YouTube at some point.
	Right now, you can see it on Newsmax as well as on Salem Now.
	So it's available on those sites.
	Okay, perfect.
	Now, I'm on the ERCOT website that I just mentioned.
	This is the oversight of the Texas grid here.
	And let's show my screen.
	We're almost at 13,000 megawatts running right now.
	It's in the green.
	It says as normal conditions, there is enough power for current demand.
	But I lived through the blackouts of the rolling blackouts of, what was that, 2021?
	I forgot what year it was, where that cold spell swept through and we had rolling blackouts and we very nearly had a crash of the Texas power grid.
	So I'm aware of what happens when you have no power.
	Instantly, you're in a third world country, right?
	You're well aware of this.
	What do you say to the fact that these AI data centers are extremely hungry in terms of their power consumption, and they're going to be building many of them, large data centers, in Texas?
	Can the Texas power grid currently handle that?
	No, we don't think it can.
	Although a positive development is a number of these data centers are actually bringing with them their own power facility.
	And that could be a lot of times SMRs or they're in West Texas where they have access to natural gas.
	I mean, natural gas has been flared, you know, burn off into the atmosphere at no real economic value at all in West Texas.
	And therefore, that is constructive.
	And just what you mentioned, this 10 new nuclear power plants, a lot of them coming in Texas, that's a very, very positive sign.
	And so one issue I'd like to highlight is our film talks about more protecting what we have, you know, because right now our adversaries can take out as few as nine key substations.
	It was found by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and knock out the grid nationwide.
	Wow.
	And we obviously have an inadequacy problem where supply versus demand, and that needs to be bigger.
	Yeah.
	Well, clearly, and I'm glad you mentioned that because, you know, we are, the United States is at war effectively with Iran and with Russia, although it's indirectly through other proxy nations.
	But it's very clear that if there were, let's say, enemy combatants that wanted to come into the United States and cause asymmetrical harm to the United States, that the power grid would be one of their targets, just like you said.
	They could just take out nine key components of it, or they could cause regional blackouts by taking out power grid substations.
	And with today's drone technology, it's incredibly easy for, let's say, I mean, I don't want to give people any ideas, but everybody's watched the videos in Ukraine and Russia, you know, strapping grenades on drones and dropping them on, you know, power grid substations.
	Like, there's nothing that is physically stopping that from happening, correct?
	That is so true.
	And I think about the fact that we spend $14 billion a year for TSA.
	And granted, TSA is doing great work.
	We're protecting bombs from getting on jetliners that could crash and kill 200 or 300 people.
	And that's horrific.
	But the fact that these substations remain so vulnerable and just protected by chain-linked fences, yet a lot more than 200 people, you know, could die, you know, if the grid goes out.
	Right.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And then the EMP threat is very real.
	High-altitude detonation of a specific type of nuclear warhead could unleash voltage surges across all kinds of electronics.
	How big of a threat is that, you think?
	Well, I think it's massive.
	And in our film, we have four-star General John Hayton, who is the prior vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	And there's been a lot of talk.
	I mean, EMP has been referenced in movies such as Oceans 11, you know, various other places.
	And sometimes critics like to consider EMP as being a tinfoil hat type phenomenon.
	But John Hayton said that this is a very real threat.
	It will cause electronics to go out, you know, massively.
	And he said that we protect our command control centers and our missile centers from EMP, but we do not protect our critical civilian infrastructure at all.
	Right, right.
	Okay.
	And with the U.S. looking at maybe allowing Ukraine to launch longer-range missiles into Russia, that's been discussed recently.
	It makes you wonder if, let's say, theoretically, Russian retaliation against the West could include, for example, EMP detonations over North America.
	Exactly.
	And really, again, your viewers understand the threat of, I call it the bad guy threat, you know, from the axis of evil better than anyone.
	And we know that there's something called the doomsday clock, you know, that's, you know, presided over by nuclear scientists.
	And they actually analyze geopolitical risks, you know, on an ongoing basis.
	And they found that we're at, I think, 80 seconds to midnight, you know, as close as ever.
	And I would argue, just in the last six months, in terms of all the discussion about World War III and discussions about nuclear war, and what most Americans are complacent about is they feel like oceans protect them because they've protected us in the past.
	We're so complacent in America that we think about wars being fought in Afghanistan and in Vietnam and Iraq.
	You know, it's not going to affect us here.
	But we know that it can be affected here through, like you said, drones, like you say, cyber attacks.
	We know that the Chinese are already in our grid.
	We've had Secretary of Energy Jennifer Grantholm under Biden, as well as Angus King, U.S. Senator, have said that our adversaries are in the grid.
	I want to see if I can bring up an image of this.
	We just saw two examples of truck-launched drones.
	One, of course, in Russia.
	Here are some of the images from that.
	Go ahead and show that Ukrainian forces, I believe probably in conjunction with MI6, created this attack vector, which took out some long-range strategic bombers, the TU-95 bombers, on Russian airfields here.
	But the actual drones were launched from these truck containers that were driven right next to the airfields.
	We saw a similar thing happen in Iran, where some trucks with drones were launched to take out some of Iran's ballistic missile launchers.
	That was during the so-called 12-day war and the bombing of Iran by the B-2 stealth bombers with the bunker busters.
	Now, if we take that same technology, which is really a low-tech weapon, and we assume that enemies of America can do the same thing in America, which they can, think about this, folks.
	They can come to America.
	They can buy drones online.
	Just, you know, go to a website, buy high-end, like, industrial drones that have payload capacities of 10 kilograms or more.
	They can buy a truck.
	They can buy a container.
	They can build the same weapon system here in America.
	Oceans do not protect us, to your point, David.
	So this model of low-tech, decentralized hybrid warfare makes our power grid even more vulnerable than ever before.
	Does that make sense?
	Oh, so much sense, Mike.
	And I pride myself on being a dot connector.
	And one connection of dots, and you are so great at this, is our open borders and all these military-aid single men that are over here.
	And you just have to know that there's a number of Chinese, Iranians, North Vietnamese that are waiting with burner phones waiting to be activated.
	And they know how to get to warehouses.
	They probably have already had deliveries of drones and various things.
	And it would just be so easy on the physical attack vector side.
	Yeah, yeah, clearly.
	All right.
	Let me pivot to the nuclear question.
	And I want to show my screen here.
	This is one of the AP1000 nuclear power plants here that is made by Westinghouse.
	And it was just announced with Trump, just announced that tech leaders and business leaders in America have made a multi-tens of billions of dollars commitment to build 10 more nuclear power plants of the AP1000 variety in the United States, with all 10 expected to be under construction by the year 2030, although the completion of that construction would take longer.
	Now, I brought this up because I wanted to try to give you the output of this plant.
	It's not saying it, but I know the output powers about 750,000 homes.
	Let me just update this query here.
	Let's see if we can get the output of it.
	Here it is.
	Over 1,100 megawatts of electricity per plant.
	So we're talking about bringing over 10,000 or 11,000 megawatts of power online in the United States through nuclear power sometime in the next, let's say, 15 to 20 years.
	Does that sound about right?
	Yes, that sounds about right.
	And this is a great development.
	So one thing I've been arguing for, again, I talk about the two parts to this dilemma.
	One, protecting what we have, but then also with this massive increase in demand through data centers, AI, Bitcoin, mining, et cetera, EVs, we're going to need so much more electricity.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I didn't even mention EVs.
	You're absolutely correct.
	Yeah.
	So I feel like we need, even though I'm against central planning, we've had seen the depiction of the Manhattan Project With the movie Oppenheimer, where Matt Damon played the famous character General Leslie Groves.
	And he was a guy that was willing to break down doors and take no prisoners in order to get stuff done.
	And essentially, I say we need that to increase our power demand.
	And there's new technology coming on in terms of hydrogen, more and more use of geothermal SMRs, big nukes, et cetera.
	And certainly renewables have a place, but it cannot be 100% because we need a certain percentage of dispatchable power.
	And therefore, I feel like we need a Manhattan scale project to attack this grid issue because it is so paramount in importance.
	Well, what about these compact fusion reactors that Lockheed Martin has that I think they produce here, what, 50 to 200 megawatts of output power?
	Here's one page talking about them, compact fusion reactors.
	This is a very real technology.
	These units can fit physically in something the size of a couple of garage bays, actually.
	And the fuel, I believe, only needs to be replaced once every eight years or so.
	Is this a viable sort of regional or decentralized power augmentation technology?
	Well, I have not studied that one specifically, and I'm certainly not a scientist is the right one to be weighing in on that.
	But we need the best scientists and engineers in figuring out what is optimal.
	And I do like the decentralized approach, more of a microgrid approach.
	But this needs to be all thought through by the best and the brightest.
	And therefore, I love that idea.
	And that's a great example.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let me ask you about what happened in Spain a few months ago, where I believe one of the solar farms had a voltage irregularity that nearly took out the grid.
	And most of Spain was in a blackout for, I think, a whole day.
	And it was, my understanding is it was blamed on a solar farm.
	Solar and wind energy, everybody likes to talk about how they're green.
	The problem is you can't scale them up and down in real time based on demand.
	And they don't work at night or during rain or when the wind isn't blowing.
	So what's, in your view, what's the role of solar and wind in a functional, reliable power grid, if any?
	Well, I think they can definitely play a role, but they are not a panacea.
	And it cannot be 70, 80% of supply.
	Because what's interesting about electricity is it requires this balance between, it's a push and pull between demand and supply.
	And the demand is going to be variable.
	And therefore, the supply has got to match that demand.
	And therefore, that's why the concept of having power that's dispatchable, where you can turn a turbine up or down, is required.
	And therefore, your renewables, both wind and solar, do not provide that.
	And I'm not the best guy to explain physics because that was my poorest class in high school.
	But I think that's a fairly accurate representation.
	Well, I would add to that that a key area that's lacking in technology is grid power shifting to storage technology, right?
	So the storage systems today are not good.
	They're very expensive.
	I've looked into flow batteries.
	I'm very excited about sodium ion technology versus lithium ion.
	But even in the best cases, it still makes it so expensive to store energy compared to just generating it with a natural gas plant, for example.
	Natural gas, you just crank up the gas when you need more power.
	You can't do that with solar.
	Exactly.
	And there is a lot of vulnerability and increased risk with these big battery farms.
	And certainly lithium-ion batteries have their extreme dangers.
	And call me a conspiracist, but I've heard some very credible stories about what's happened in Pacific Palisades and in California, some of these fires.
	A lot of these homes were high-end homes where they had their Teslas, they had their charging stations, they had their solar, they had their inverters, et cetera.
	And just those fires, with all the batteries, it's hard to get out those fires and then the toxic fumes that come from them.
	And even the potential for starting some of these fires from, again, that gets somewhat conspiratorial, but I'm proud to call myself conspiracist because most of that is true these days.
	You have to be very judicious in your judgment on that.
	Right, right.
	Okay, so let me ask you, this question is related to everything that we've talked about.
	Nuclear power, and for the record, I support nuclear power.
	I think nuclear power is a rational solution to the power demands that we have.
	But a question that I have about nuclear power is what happens during an EMP attack?
	Now, we saw with Fukushima in Japan, we saw that a tsunami could take out the backup battery solutions that would power the decommissioning or the cool Down the circulation pumps and so on necessary to bring a nuclear power plant offline into a safe condition.
	That failed because of water, because of ocean water.
	And one of those units there then suffered a meltdown.
	What happens in the U.S. if we build these 10 nuclear power plants?
	Westinghouse is a company known for extraordinary cost overruns, time delays, and bankruptcy, by the way.
	I mean, that's just the truth about Westinghouse.
	We build these 10 nuclear power plants and then we get hit with an EMP while those plants are functioning.
	Do you know, have you looked into, is there a risk that we won't be able to bring those plants back under control if the electronics are hit by EMP?
	Well, there needs to be extraordinary safety measures implemented.
	And, you know, it ended up being on the cutting room floor, but one of the risks of the spent fuel rods not being able to be continually cooled in the event that there was no more power.
	And therefore, that is a very, very amplifier in terms of risk.
	And therefore, it needs to be thought through.
	And I know the technology of nuclear power plants is a lot better today and less risk sensitive in some areas than it used to be.
	And SMRs are considered to be far more safe than the typical nuclear plants.
	Wait, SMRs?
	Which is a small modular reactor.
	So these are more microgrid setup for, as an example, a data center or could be a city like Kansas City or Tulsa.
	These SMRs, do these fit on the back of a rig, a truck?
	I don't think they're quite that small, but they're not that large.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Because I am aware of some, I think, containerized compact reactors that can power military bases and things like that, for example.
	But, you know, those are SMRs.
	Those are SMRs.
	Okay.
	Right now in Texas, I'm aware that the city of San Antonio is running all kinds of very expensive additional generators just to keep its own power supply functioning.
	I'm not sure what they're burning.
	Gas, you know, natural gas.
	I would imagine it's natural gas, but maybe it could be diesel in certain emergency situations.
	But it seems like I see a lot of inefficiencies and waste right now where a couple of nuclear power plants could really resolve a lot of those situations.
	I think this is an outstanding development, you know, and great for the state of Texas.
	And I think we just have to think through, you know, the risk elements that, you know, bringing on, especially more traditional nuclear power plants, creates.
	Right, right.
	Okay.
	I'm right there with you.
	And I do understand that the discussion of nuclear power often leads into very irrational reactions because many Americans have a memory of Three Mile Island, which was a very tiny, tiny, tiny leak of slightly radioactive water.
	It was, by today's standards, it's a nothing burger.
	But then people remember Chernobyl.
	Was that 1986, I believe?
	But that's nothing like the U.S. power plant designs.
	I mean, we have containment buildings and far different systems and a different culture around nuclear power than what existed in the old USSR at the time.
	So do you consider nuclear power to be safe for America?
	Yes, I do.
	And again, I even like SMRs and kind of a more microgrid system.
	And I love the idea where we are tying SMRs and various power facilities directly to these new data plants that are coming in.
	So I think that's very constructive.
	Well, the data centers have a 24-7 demand, so it's actually a very steady demand.
	So it's very easy for a power generation source to match data center demand if they're tied together like that.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I did see that in Texas, you may be familiar with this.
	I believe there's legislation in place that says that the power grid operators are allowed to disconnect the upcoming AI data centers preferentially in the case of too much demand for power in order to give preferential supply to homes and businesses and hospitals and so on.
	Are you aware of that rule?
	I am not aware of that specific rule, but that concept exists and is very, very beneficial.
	And people have talked about that for Bitcoin as well.
	And therefore, again, we're trying to match supply versus demand in a very sensitive protocol.
	And to be able to dial down demand like that, that can be a powerful tool.
	Okay, hold on.
	I'm Trying to bring up a chart here that I remember, and I didn't mean to make this so technical, but you've given me the opportunity to ask these questions.
	I remember seeing a chart.
	Yeah, I think here it is right here, actually.
	This is from a tweet.
	Let's see if I can bring this up and make it any larger.
	Okay.
	Do you see this chart, David?
	Yes, sir.
	So I'm sorry it's small for the viewers, but this red line represents China's power generation, and this is in terawatts.
	And then this blue line represents America's power generation.
	Now, as you can see, China's power generation is trending upward very rapidly, and it's going to continue to skyrocket in the years ahead.
	Given that power generation is very closely associated with GDP and also now with AI research, AI innovation, China has exceeded America's power generation by a substantial amount for many years now, and it doesn't look like that trend is going to change.
	What do you think are the implications of this for America versus China in a multipolar world?
	The fact that America is really falling behind in power generation?
	Well, that's a very powerful chart.
	And I had not seen those lines together like that.
	And you look at, you know, people have talked about, I think, 2035 potentially a tripling in demand for power.
	And you just think about EVs and what California is trying to do with, you know, EV promulgation and then AI and data centers and Bitcoin mining.
	It's ridiculous that we have that kind of a flat line.
	And even though I'm against central planning, it's like we need to wake up to the fact that we have this massive demand coming and we've had that line.
	Now that announcement about 10 new nukes is encouraging.
	But we need to wake up.
	Yeah, clearly.
	I think we're behind the curve.
	So I actually applaud Trump for being part of this effort to build out America's energy infrastructure.
	I think most of our listeners would agree that under the Biden years, the Biden administration and the Democrats, by and large, are actually energy saboteurs.
	Oh, of course.
	I mean, they just destroy your energy infrastructure.
	They shut down the pipelines.
	They stop the drilling.
	I mean, under Trump's first administration, we were energy, we were net exporters of energy.
	We were energy independent.
	But thanks to Biden and the Democrats, now we're more dependent on energy out of the Middle East, which involves us in that whole quagmire of war and politics that I don't want to be involved in.
	We should just produce, I mean, we are an energy-rich nation.
	All we have to do is give ourselves permission to use the energy.
	Make sense?
	Well, well put, Mike, you know, for sure.
	And they were saboteurs and drill, baby, drill and reducing, you know, regulation for mining regulations, et cetera.
	These are great steps that Donald Trump is making.
	Yes.
	And actually, let me make one more point.
	Let's go back to that chart.
	Please, put the chart on screen.
	You know what China did that was brilliant strategically?
	China pushed the whole thing about climate change and limiting CO2 emissions onto other countries, but not itself.
	So China cleared its own runway to build unlimited amount of coal-fired power plants.
	China opens a coal plant every other day.
	That's why this line is going up like that.
	While the West and the Paris Climate Accords and especially Western Europe run by a bunch of climate lunatics have destroyed the energy competitiveness of Western civilization.
	And when it comes to AI, whoever can pump the most energy through the most microchips is going to get to AGI first or super intelligence first.
	So energy is the pathway actually to artificial intelligence world domination.
	And the Democrats crippled us in the Western world, putting us maybe 10 years behind that curve.
	We may never catch up.
	Have you thought about that?
	No, you're exactly right.
	And again, that's why your program and Brightian network is such a powerful resource that we're blessed to have.
	Well, thank you for that, sir.
	I greatly appreciate it.
	And we're blessed to have you on and to have your documentary.
	And I apologize.
	I didn't mean to hijack this interview so much.
	Let me go back to you and ask you what you want to say that's important for our audience here.
	So on our website, thank you for that, Mike.
	So griddownpowerup.com, we have a facility under the participate tab.
	And you can add just your zip code.
	I guess you might have to add a mailing address.
	You can just make it Main Street if you'd like, you know, but we will be able to find your specific state legislator and your representative, your two U.S. senators, your PUC chairman, actually board chairman of your public utilities for your state, as well as your FEMA emergency director.
	And we Have pre-written letters that you can send to these individuals and say that you care about grid security.
	I mean, I rode up the elevator with Tucker Carlson and he had Dennis Quaid on.
	And he said, This is the most important issue out there.
	If we don't have power, we essentially have nothing.
	It's crucial.
	And therefore, we've started to make some progress.
	You know, in Texas, we're going to Tennessee.
	Our legislators, PUC chairmen need to be informed.
	We need to essentially recruit grid warriors.
	And everybody watching and listening can help in this.
	You know, one of the guys that watched my film carried the baton and got this Texas bill passed because he was tireless in making this happen.
	We can make phone calls to PEC chairmen.
	We have a facility by which you can plug into your phone and leave voicemails and make phone calls to your legislators, regulators, et cetera.
	So there's a lot that can be done.
	Donald Trump passed an executive order back in 2019, promulgated into law in 2020 National Defense Authorization Act.
	And therefore, that needs to be carried forward further, but there needs to be a movement.
	We need a bunch of grid warriors with fire in their belly that will help make this happen.
	Okay, the website is griddownpowerup.com.
	And click on the participate tab there that I'm showing you.
	Now, David, here's another critical issue in all of this related to everything you just said, which is that a great many of the components that are necessary for the functioning of our power grid are made in China.
	And ironically, right now, Trump has threatened China with a 100% tariff that Trump says will be put onto China and India and other countries in roughly 50 days if China purchases energy from Russia, which China does in very large volumes.
	I think China is the largest purchaser of energy from Russia.
	You know, of all the Russian exports, China is the largest buyer, in other words.
	If we have 100% tariff on every component coming out of China, then hardening our electric power grid infrastructure would become incredibly expensive, and there could be supply chain problems in even building out our data centers.
	So much of that equipment comes from China.
	So how do we make sense of this where on one hand, Trump wants to punish China with secondary tariffs for doing business with Russia over energy, but we need China.
	We need China's manufacturing for us to get the components in order to build our own power infrastructure.
	How do we balance that?
	Well, I'm going to challenge you a little bit there, Mike, in it.
	I don't like our high-tech components that are going into the grid coming from China, period.
	Because China is thinking two or three chess moves ahead.
	And therefore, they are thinking from a sabotage standpoint, building in trapdoors, building in malware that can be activated.
	And therefore, you know, I don't care if Chinese equipment that goes into the grid goes up in price, because frankly, we need to be buying German parts or South Korean parts or something anyway.
	And we are very, very concerned about the supply chain and our Chinese inverters and all the technology that's come in from China.
	Well, I absolutely hear what you're saying.
	And if we want to buy parts from Germany, we probably shouldn't have blown up the Nord Stream pipeline that feeds energy to Germany because German industry has been shut down to a large extent.
	And German quality is very high, but pricing is also very, very high.
	But let me give you a really good example here.
	At my facility, we're building a new building.
	We're actually building a new expanded laboratory for all of our MassSpec lab equipment, which uses quite a lot of electricity.
	And when our electricians specced out just the infrastructure for that one building, they said initially that the wait time on the equipment would be 50 weeks.
	We're talking about just the equipment mounted on the building to handle that much power.
	And we had to jump through hoops and break it down into subunits in order to get that in something like nine weeks instead of 50 weeks.
	If we cut off China's supply of these components, and I understand your argument about long-term we would love to have domestic sourcing.
	I completely agree with that.
	But we're not yet making those components at scale in the United States.
	It would almost prohibit businesses like mine from being able to build anything new at all because the wait times on many of those components would go to five years.
	So what do we do?
	I tell you, it's a very difficult situation and it's not going to be solved overnight.
	And in terms of, I mean, it's very problematic for sure.
	And one of the positive developments that's happened in the last couple of years is understanding that we have to move further away from Chinese dependence.
	And during the pandemic, we learned about reliance on our pharmaceuticals and our generic drugs coming from China.
	I'm not sure if that has been Resolved or addressed at all.
	We know there's this complete dependence on China for rare earths, and we know how important some of these rare earth elements are to our military.
	Yes.
	And therefore, we have to address that.
	So this is an area that involves several different parts of the economy.
	Absolutely.
	I'm aware that there's a rare earth operation that's just opening in Wyoming.
	They're going to extract rare earths from coal mining.
	But, I mean, I'm a scientist.
	I deal with elements all the time.
	In my MassSpec lab, I can tell you there's not much neodymium in coal.
	So you got to go through 100 tons to get like maybe 10 grams or maybe less.
	I don't even know how, I mean, it seems like it's a 30-year project to start producing rare earths in America.
	I mean, I'm sure they're under the ground.
	But this also gets back to the Democrats.
	They have halted energy infrastructure and they've halted strategic mining operations over environmental concerns.
	But as a result, as you rightly pointed out, here we are dependent on China, which exports about 94% of the world's neodymium, which is used in the magnets that become the actuators for all robots.
	In fact, Ford shut down its production lines temporarily a few weeks ago because they ran out of neodymium magnets from China.
	You know, it's like, but starting a mine is a 10-year project.
	Building a nuke plant, 10-year project, if not longer.
	Like this is, this is, even if Trump starts these things today, which he is in many cases, a Democrat can come in the next election and cancel the whole thing.
	Sabotage.
	I'm sorry, I'm not trying to blackpill everybody here, but that's where we are.
	Yeah, it's a, we're in deep duty, as they say, and we just have to keep, I mean, you know, preparing for the worst, hoping for the best, and leave God to the rest.
	Okay.
	David, is there anything else you want to add to this interview that I've failed to ask you?
	This has been phenomenal.
	I would say tell your friends, create a, I would say, I'm hoping this grid movement turns into almost a mothers against drunk drivers scale movement.
	And it literally reduced drunk drivers deaths by 40%.
	And we need people talking about this in the carpool line.
	We can utilize Texas' recent success and say that we can look at what's happened with Ukraine in terms of drones going after infrastructure.
	Frankly, I'm surprised that the power hasn't gone out 90% inside Kiev.
	So I've been a little bit pleasantly surprised by that.
	But I think that could certainly happen in the United States.
	And therefore, we just have to work hard and pray and let's hope for the best.
	Well, you know, there is one event that brings tremendous awareness to the importance of this, and that's a blackout.
	When people don't have electricity, suddenly it's priority one, right?
	Yeah.
	But sadly, you know, we don't want to wait for that to happen to be the marketing campaign for why we need to harden our grid.
	So I agree with you, and I want to encourage people to check out your website again, griddownpowerup.com.
	Check out the documentary, share the documentary, and go to the participate tab, the call to action, and get your legislators involved in this because this is going to take government action, it turns out.
	The scale of this, it necessarily involves government.
	And we are vulnerable.
	And frankly, I think we're going to learn a tough lesson somewhere regionally.
	My guess is some terror group takes out some power generator or a substation somewhere, and we get a very harsh lesson in why we shouldn't be that vulnerable.
	I pray that doesn't happen, but I'm concerned that it will.
	But thank you, David, for all that you do.
	I appreciate your time today.
	Thank you, Mike.
	But for the next time.
	All right, you as well.
	Also want to encourage people to watch your film, Grid Down Power Up, that Dennis Quaid has narrated as well.
	A very, very honored individual there for all his work.
	So thank you so much, David.
	Thanks again, Mike.
	All right.
	Take care.
	And thank you for watching today.
	Hope you learned something in today's interview.
	Energy is absolutely critical for our success at the local level as well as geopolitically in the global competition for our role in the future of our world.
	If we don't have enough energy, we're toast, really.
	We'll lose the AI race.
	We'll lose GDP.
	We'll lose out in every way that you can think of.
	Energy is critical for our success.
	So support the expansion and scalability of good energy sources that are also safe.
	Thank you for watching today.
	I'm Mike Adams of Brighteon.com.
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