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May 18, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Aleph Cloud founder joins DTV to unveil distributed, decentralized CLOUD COMPUTING PLATFORM...

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	Welcome to today's episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And today, of course, I'm joined by my co-host, Todd Pitner.
	And we've got a very special guest for you with some amazing new technology to share.
	But welcome, Todd.
	Great to have you on the show today.
	Great to be here, Mike.
	Boy, you and I have been hard at work with our...
	So it's good to get back in the saddle and interview some guests.
	So I'm really excited about Jonathan today.
	Me too.
	So let me just bring in our guest, Jonathan Shamul.
	And Jonathan is with a company called Aleph Cloud that is decentralized compute infrastructure that's kind of peer-to-peer for GPUs and other types of compute.
	power so you can engage in computing distribution without relying on AWS or other centralized systems.
	Do I have that right, Jonathan?
	And welcome to the show.
	No.
	Thank you for having me today.
	And yeah, it's pretty much this.
	It's a decentralized cloud.
	So whatever you can do with AWS, you can do it.
	You can do it with Aleph Cloud.
	And a good part of it is that anyone can become a provider on our network.
	If you have servers laying around, you can put them on the network and start earning money with it.
	All right, so this is so interesting.
	So your system, as I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's aleph.cloud, right?
	A-L-E-P-H dot cloud.
	So let's show the website again if we could.
	It's a two-way street.
	So you could be an end user consuming computing resources at probably a much lower price than using something like IBM or Amazon.
	Or you could be a contributor contributing resources to the cloud that other people are using, correct?
	Yep, exactly.
	And then how are you paid if you're contributing resources?
	How do you actually get paid?
	So, we have two kinds of nodes on our network.
	One, which is the core channel nodes, which are the controllers of the network.
	You could see them as validators in a dedicated proof-of-stake network.
	And then we have the...
	Computing resource nodes, which are actually doing the job.
	Those computing resource nodes, they get paid no matter what.
	If they get validated by a core channel node, they can get paid no matter what, what we call the minimum wage on the network.
	So as long as you are live, ready to start accepting workloads, you will get paid.
	Then we have what we call the pay-as-you-go.
	Which is a payment system where, like, when you come and say, I would like one virtual machine with, like, two CPUs, X gigabyte of RAM, X gigabyte of storage, you will start a payment stream on our interface that will go...
	A big part directly to the node provider, and that's where you get paid in addition.
	If there is a lot of demand, people will get paid more, and so there will be more nodes on the network in addition to that minimum wage, and GPUs are also paid with that pay-as-you-go system as well.
	Okay.
	One quick question.
	I know Todd actually has the best questions, but one that comes to mind I'd love to interject here is, I suppose that if you're a hardware provider into the system, you need to have cheap electricity for this to make economic sense?
	Not necessarily, honestly.
	The good chunk of the price is actually the price of your hardware.
	Because when you run servers, you would like to have a lot of CPUs ready, a lot of RAM ready.
	To run virtual machines.
	And then electricity is not the biggest part of the cost.
	Dividing your cyber price per 24, for example, would get you a certain price per month that you need to...
	That you would need to get.
	And running a server will cost you, even in France, which is pretty expensive here, it will cost you not more than, let's say, 10 euros per month.
	So that's not the biggest part of your hardware.
	I see.
	Okay, alright, thanks for that.
	So Todd, again, you've always got the best questions, so the floor is yours.
	I just have a lot more time to prepare, Mike.
	I'm not, you know, solving all the world's problems like you are.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm just playing with microscopes and stuff, doing mad science.
	That's pretty much what I do.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Well, Jonathan, welcome.
	And can you tell me really quick the difference between Aleph.cloud and Aleph.im?
	Because when I was doing my research, I came upon Aleph.im.
	So I want to make sure I have that right.
	Yeah, well, Aleph.am is like the historical name of the project, and we rebranded to Aleph.cloud very lately.
	So that's why you might see a few names.
	You might also see 26cloud, which is a name for our consumer interface that we introduced a year or so ago, but we now merge everything under the Aleph.cloud brand.
	Got it.
	I'm just going to say Aleph.
	How about that?
	Okay, good.
	Well, Mike and I...
	Our show is dedicated to breaking the chains of centralized control, and I would love to talk about Aleph and its role in escaping centralized systems.
	But first, I'm always interested in the inspiration behind the initiatives.
	What inspired the creation of Aleph, and how does it fundamentally differ from traditional cloud infrastructure, Jonathan?
	Well, when I started, it was in 2018.
	When you wanted to create, let's say, a very big decentralized application, like let's say you wanted to do Facebook or Twitter on Web3 as a decentralized application, back then there was only Ethereum, basically, more or less.
	Okay, for the transaction part, it worked.
	For some of the data, it might have worked, but then whenever you needed to store pictures, videos, store text-based data, which was longer, or when you wanted to have processing, server-side processing, etc., It just wouldn't do it.
	And that's where I saw, yeah, we really need a cloud which is decentralized, which can work in the same way that blockchains work.
	And the ILF cloud network basically runs like a blockchain, even if it's not one.
	Like every message is hashed, signed with a wallet.
	There are rights on chain that happen behind the scenes, et cetera, et cetera.
	So we are using most of the blockchain technologies.
	Beside the fact that we don't have blocks on the network.
	That's fascinating.
	So help me understand, then, in terms of censorship resistance, how does a left protect data from being altered, removed, or surveilled by centralized authorities if you're using other people's hardware?
	So there is multiple parts there.
	There is the censorship resistance part, which is the first one.
	If you use the holder tier, which means that we just have all the left tokens to get service, as long as one node accepts to serve you, you will have your data served somewhere.
	Some nodes might remove your data if it's problematic because there is illegal data posted as well.
	Then nodes can subscribe to a block list and say, I don't want to host that because it's illegal.
	But as long as there are nodes that accept it using IPFS, you will always find your data.
	But this doesn't stop the whole surveillance part.
	Then you might want to use what we call the pay-as-you-go, where you can choose a specific node that will host your data, that will run your computing, and then you will entrust a specific node somewhere to do your processing.
	If you want to have a replication, you can request multiple nodes at the same time to run your virtual machines.
	That's nice, but if you are really...
	Paranoid.
	Or you want to host private keys, personal data, etc.
	You don't want to rely on that kind of, yeah, I might know that guy, because it's just like running on AWS, for example, plus Google Cloud, plus, plus, plus, okay?
	Then we introduced what we call the confidential computing, which is based on TEE.
	Trusted execution environment, which is a term that you might have heard already, which means that when you run a virtual machine, the whole RAM is encrypted, the whole memory is encrypted, and the whole link between your CPU, your RAM, and your storage is totally encrypted.
	The owner of the node can't see what is happening inside your virtual machine, no matter what.
	Is that optional?
	Because there's got to be some compute overhead for that, right?
	Yeah.
	There is a bit of a compute overhead, but it's not huge.
	For example, LibertAI, which is the AI layer on top of ALF Cloud, uses it for inference.
	AI inference is when you go on ChatGPT and, for example, ask a question.
	This is called the AI inference in opposition to AI training.
	And the whole inference on LibertAI...
	It's mostly running inside confidential virtual machines.
	And so it means that it's fast enough to run AI workloads in real time.
	So the overhead isn't that high.
	We're at a 20-25% overhead overall.
	Jonathan, let me ask you, and Todd, please allow me to jump in here because I have a really practical question.
	We're about to roll out our own Yeah, clearly, yeah.
	It can?
	Yep.
	Of course.
	Wow, we should talk.
	We should do that.
	We should run it on your system instead of running it where we're running it.
	Let's do it.
	I mean, that's really incredible.
	One of my questions was then, what kinds of compute loads are suitable for the structure that you have at ADF Cloud?
	Currently, Whatever can run on CPU works really well.
	GPU workloads, we just introduced them on the network, so we don't have a lot of GPUs yet, but we are working on it.
	And then, yeah, whatever can run on CPU, and the good part is that we have a lot of very powerful nodes which have CPUs which have a huge RAM bandwidth.
	up or down like 600 gigabyte per second from bandwidth on CPU, which means that inference works really well on CPU as well.
	What?
	Really?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm shocked that it would be that fast.
	But yeah, go ahead.
	I didn't mean to interrupt.
	No worries.
	And the good part is that those CPUs that...
	That are really fast for inference are those that we use for the confidential computing, which are the latest AMD CPUs.
	And so whatever can run on CPU or inference or whatever can run on Lama CPP for LLMs.
	You can run it on the network.
	Then if you need GPUs, just take a VM with GPU and run your code inside.
	It will just be a regular Linux virtual machine.
	We'll have access to CUDA and stuff.
	Wait a minute.
	So are you saying that if I'm a customer of your service, I can spin up a Windows environment VM on your system?
	You could, because our VMs support QMU, so you could use your own image with Windows.
	That's not something that we support right now.
	The base image that we provide are Linux images, but I guess you could with Windows.
	I don't see why not, but it would be worth it.
	Well, suppose I have Python code that is doing a bunch of API calls and it's processing files for my data pipeline, and this is a real thing, and I'm asking you as a real question.
	Right now, I've got something like 40 workstations working on that data pipeline, but it's just Python code with access to storage.
	How would I run Python code on your system that is Python normally under Windows, like a 3.10 interpreter, something like that?
	Well, if you can get it to run on Linux, Which you should if it's Python code and you don't use Windows-specific stuff, you could.
	There is multiple ways.
	You could either spin up instances where you will have virtual machines instances that you will be able to access directly using SSH, or you could use serverless.
	and the serverless function, when you call them, they run wherever they want on the network.
	And those serverless function can be written in Python without any issue.
	And then, well, if it's instances, whatever runs on Linux can run on those instances.
	JOHN MUELLER: Wow.
	Well, Todd, I'm totally impressed.
	I mean, this is really fascinating tech.
	And it's not run by Amazon.
	Exactly.
	Well, I'm interested in what are the key use cases where Aleph has already replaced some centralized systems successfully.
	Can you share some compelling success stories, Jonathan?
	Well, Liberty AI, as I said, which is a decentralized AI layer on top, Aleph has replaced centralized inference there, and you can even have OpenAI-compatible APIs directly there.
	And there is a few customers that are already using it in production.
	You are even working with more on the insurance field, because for insurance, having confidential inference is really crucial when you use customer data.
	Then we are working as well with Ubisoft on a few use cases.
	On their latest games, which is Niji Warriors Aiden Online, they use Aleph for the storage of all the metadata of their NFTs.
	So instead of using their own servers, they are using Aleph.
	We've as well...
	How would I say that?
	For the metadata, it points to a serverless computing part, which is written in Python.
	And whenever you access the metadata URL, the metadata is generated on the fly in a very fiable way.
	So it's still decentralized, but dynamic for the NFTs responding to in-game events and stuff like that.
	We have a few other companies which are replacing All their AWS workloads with ALF workloads.
	We have even had a few piracy websites that started hosting stuff.
	Some of those didn't like them and booted them out, which they should, because if not, they can have issues.
	I'm like on the legal side because your IP is serving stuff.
	But they found over nodes that were accepting that because they were running under less problematic jurisdictions.
	So yeah, a lot of use cases are like enabled with that.
	Insurance, health, gaming, web-free application.
	For example, there was a DDoS.
	On one DeFi application lately, on one DeFi exchange, and they used Aleph as the hosting, and then they didn't have any issues with the DDoS anymore because it was pointing on a decentralized network that could handle the load.
	And so since then, we have been working with them to move their whole infra on Aleph.
	That's amazing.
	I want to just ask one question, because right now, Mike, you know our viewers.
	I know our viewers.
	So right now, this is going right over their heads, right?
	Yeah, except for the developers that are listening.
	Right.
	But I want to make it interesting for all of our viewers.
	So how does this impact just a normal person who uses their computers?
	Why should they care?
	So it doesn't mean that they're going to go out and start using Aleph, but I think it's really important to know why we should all care that this succeeds.
	Good point.
	Well, there is a few parts.
	Okay, let's take an example on AI, for example.
	On the AI side, when you are using OpenAI, ChatGPT, Cloud, or any others, they learn based on your interaction.
	They will know everything about your life.
	Soon, we will have Google Glasses.
	We already have MetaGlasses that you can ask questions to.
	If your glasses are recording everything to being able to recall stuff, etc., if all of this is linked to a centralized cloud and centralized AI, well, those centralized...
	Giants will know everything about your life, and then worse than it's today.
	And today, AWS is the leading cloud provider, and they know everything about everyone because they host everything as well.
	And that's really problematic.
	On the Web3 side, if your Web3 app is running on a centralized cloud, then your Web3...
	The app is not a decentralized application.
	It's a regular application that is really centralized.
	And they can be stopped anytime with Adidas.
	They can stop anytime by government, by any kind of agency of any countries.
	Then they are not censorship resistant.
	And that's really problematic today in the Web3 world.
	So if you're on Web3, you should care about that.
	Because if not...
	All the apps that you are really using are not decentralized, and anyone can know what you are doing.
	Any government agency can come inside their data center and look, and if they are hosted on AWS, no one will ever know, and it might have already happened.
	So yeah, you should care in the end.
	You hit upon something really critical there.
	And we've seen the EU announcing that they're going to outlaw privacy crypto by what year was it?
	2027 or something?
	We need to make it difficult for them Take away our civil rights, and the right to compute is like free speech.
	It's like the First Amendment.
	We should have the freedom to compute, because math should not be banned by governments, although that's happened before in the history of atomic energy development and so on.
	But I don't want them to ban math.
	So if you think about it, if you're running a load on the Aleph cloud, And let's say your government, wherever you happen to live, your government decides that the math you're doing is bad math now.
	Then they can't find your servers.
	Your servers may not even be in the country.
	They're probably all over the place and they can't find them.
	They can't shut them down.
	So it's resilience.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But then they can start attacking servers that are in your countries, but then your workload can move inside and over.
	And that's where it's pretty nice.
	And eventually it ends up in North Korea.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I have a question regarding the decentralization of your nodes.
	How many nodes do you have and across how many countries, approximately?
	If I recall correctly, I don't have all the figures on my computer right now, but if I recall correctly, I think that we have 100 core channel nodes, which are the controllers of the network, and around 800 computing resource nodes, which are those that are actually providing the work for the computing side.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	And so when you talked about the nodes that you do have, that to me, It seems like there's still a little bit of centralized control based upon the legality of what people are using the nodes for.
	Where do they draw the line?
	Is the legality because they know these people are spreading child porn or is it because they're a privacy crypto who's wanting to crunch?
	Basically, the only cases where, so far, stuff had to be deleted and virtual machines stopped on the network were piracy cases with node operators receiving DMCA requests.
	And then whenever they receive it, they will just shut down the VMs that are impacted.
	Like pirating movies or something like that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	So, who cares?
	Hollywood's obsolete anyway with AI, but that's another topic.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But when it's an encrypted compute environment, if you're a provider of a computer, you don't know, you don't need to know, you don't want to know.
	I mean, somebody's just using your CPU to do math.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Then no one cares.
	When they care is when people connect to your IP range.
	Oh.
	Because we mostly use IPv6 because we're adding IPv4 support to access the virtual machines.
	But what we currently must use is IPv6.
	Why?
	Because when you have your computers at home...
	Or like in your data center, a lot of people don't have IPv4 ranges.
	They will only have one IPv4 for the whole office, for example.
	But IPv6, your provider assigns you a range of IPv6.
	And then your computing resource node can attribute...
	Millions of sub-IPv6 addresses, so your users can directly access their servers inside your CRNs using IPv6.
	I wouldn't want a stranger using my IP addresses.
	That's a risk.
	That's why whenever you get a request, like for example a DMCA request, then Then you have a duty of removing stuff.
	And if you do it fast and you act as a responsible provider, there is no issue there.
	And people understand.
	You are a provider.
	We told you.
	You removed.
	That's good.
	But what about, I mean, Todd mentioned earlier, what about somebody doing child porn type of activities on it?
	That's a legal risk.
	You know, you don't want somebody hijacking your computer to do something like crazy, illegal and immoral like that.
	How do we stop that?
	That's a good question.
	Whenever there are reports, then...
	If we get those reports, we, like, reach out to, like, the community.
	If they get it directly, they could reach out to us.
	And then we can warn other users.
	Warning, this address is doing weird stuff.
	We are tracking them.
	Don't host them if you are in a problematic jurisdiction.
	They are doing this and that.
	You don't want them.
	Or if you do, that's your thing.
	But basically, we are also working on block lists as well so that all the people that want to subscribe to block lists on certain subjects can't subscribe to them and then block that content.
	But another provider is not obligated to follow a block list, for example.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So there are ways.
	To block, but some of that could be retroactive if there were a bad faith actor that joined the network and started doing...
	Your nodes don't have to store data that you don't want.
	Okay.
	I have a question, and this is again for us normies.
	In what ways can decentralized cloud infrastructure, Jonathan, improve both Privacy and resilience for users compared to traditional cloud services?
	It's kind of a one-on-one question, but I know you can answer that.
	Well, it depends what kind of users.
	If it's end users, they won't be developing their own systems, so they will need to rely on developers, providers, etc.
	But if those providers and developers use A decentralized cloud like ours and they use confidential computing and they do it in a good way.
	No one can access their data.
	Their data is totally safe.
	And the good part about it is that they can even prove that the data is safe and that the code that has been running and doing stuff is really that code and not another piece of code.
	And so that's really cool.
	And it adds a lot of security for KWC data storage, as we might have seen lately.
	But again, it all depends on the way it's developed.
	If you develop it in a way where you can still see it, then it's bad.
	I think that it's really a full spectrum.
	There is the hardware part.
	And the infrastructure part, that needs to be there.
	And if it's there, you can have great privacy and great resilience.
	But if the way it's developed isn't good, it won't be good.
	But it has all the tools developers need to do it.
	Let's talk about the developers.
	Can you walk us through a practical example of how a developer or a small business could migrate from centralized infrastructure to one of your platforms?
	Yeah, of course.
	So, like, let's say they are using a regular centralized database with a regular backend and their frontend.
	They could move their frontend on IPFS on our network, and then their domain can, like, point to it.
	And then if people have an IPFS browser, they will directly access this data without going through our nodes.
	Then for the backend, they will set up multiple virtual machines.
	They will host their database in what we call a cluster.
	Instead of having one host for the database, they will set up multiple.
	And they will replicate their database on multiple nodes.
	So if one node goes down, it's not bad for them.
	Their back-end as well, they will replicate it on multiple nodes.
	And then their front-end calls their back-end and it works.
	It's not that much work because it's directly a Linux digital machine and most of the development that they do is already on Linux.
	So they shouldn't care too much, to be honest.
	Okay.
	So many users, they worry about the complexity of decentralized tech.
	So what steps does Aleph...
	What have you taken to make adoption easier for developers and enterprises, Jonathan?
	Regular Linux virtual machines, we also have now a new interface that users can use, which is app.alef.cloud, where they can just come and start a virtual machine just like they would do on AWS, Scaleway, DigitalOcean, whatever.
	We try to make it as simple as that.
	We are even working on more ways to make it simple with a credit system where people can even pay using credit cards, stablecoins, etc., and not necessarily our token, which is the Aleph token.
	Currently, everything is an Aleph token, but we are reworking that currently.
	So, that's what we are doing.
	Trying to, like, make them use it just like they are using their current tools.
	We don't want them to, like, relearn everything.
	Just use your current tools, but make it resilient on more hosts.
	And anyway, ALF is currently, like, four times cheaper than AWS.
	So, like, you could have four nodes where you just add one.
	So, that's what we do.
	Wow.
	I have a couple of questions to add to this.
	And this is also a really practical question for an end user.
	So suppose there's a user out there that wants to buy a new home computer.
	Let's say a gaming rig, right?
	They want to buy a gaming rig, but it's way too expensive.
	So they need a way to make the gaming rig pay for itself when they're not gaming, let's say, right?
	Are there any gamers that don't game 24-7?
	I'm not sure.
	But for the ones that don't game 24-7, can they turn their gaming rig over with the GPU and the CPUs to your system for like 12 hours a day and then take it back when they want to use it?
	And then they can earn money.
	That's something that we are working on.
	It's not the case.
	Yet, for a simple reason.
	When you request a virtual machine, when you request a workload, etc., you want it to run in a very stable way.
	You don't want your VM to stop 10 hours per day.
	So we are working on it.
	We are not there yet because it means that we need resilience, moving data continuously.
	So we are working on it.
	It's not there yet, but that's in our roadmap.
	Well, I'm glad you're working on that, because, I mean, and you do understand my question, obviously, but it sure would be great that if I'm a compute buyer of compute, like, I describe what I want, and I have a load, I have a demand, but your system figures out where the hardware is that's needed, and that's dynamic.
	So, I mean, what happens when somebody's power goes out, you know?
	Or their internet has a problem.
	This happens all the time.
	So that dynamic rerouting is going to be really key, I think.
	Yeah, and we are working on it.
	Wow.
	It gets complicated, doesn't it?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Wow.
	Man, Todd, you see what I see, like how complex this project is?
	Crazy.
	It's crazy.
	Well, all of this is.
	And that's why, you know, I have one summary final question that I've kind of gone through my questions.
	But looking ahead, Jonathan, what's your vision for a fully decentralized tech stack from AI to cloud to identity?
	And how close are we to achieving it?
	Well, we are.
	We're not close.
	Like, on the infrastructure side, with ALF, we are close.
	Now, with Liberty AI, on the AI side, we start getting closer as well.
	But what we are not close yet is, like, for identity, for example.
	Identity is really, really tricky to get well.
	ZK proofs are, like, older age lately.
	There are even big companies, big Web2 companies working with ZK proofs and stuff like that, as you might have seen in the news.
	But we are not there yet.
	And as long as we need to do KWC for everything, as long as we need to prove ownership of each address that we have, then we are not ready yet.
	And also, the current Waze addresses are done, where you can track everything that has been done on that address.
	I want to use that for my everyday life.
	I don't want to pay something in the street and have the person I paid to see my whole transaction history.
	That won't work.
	Governments are fighting to keep it that way, but that won't work in the long term.
	I don't know which tech will save the day there, but there will need to be some fixes there.
	Amen.
	Godspeed, whatever that tech is.
	But I think this is along the lines of the trends that we've seen, like Uber being the gig economy for, you know, you can use your own car to provide taxi services.
	Or, actually, Amazon.com delivery people do the same thing with their own vehicle delivering Amazon packages.
	Occasionally, they even arrive.
	But this is the gig economy for compute.
	Where anybody can participate, and decentralization provides resiliency and more privacy just by nature.
	So I think society is moving in this direction.
	Think about it, Jonathan.
	I know you're aware of this, but as bandwidth gets faster, then all your problems get easier to solve.
	If you had unlimited bandwidth across the internet, then...
	Wow, it could be one giant connected CPU cloud in effect.
	I agree.
	And that's what we are seeing currently with our replication system and automatic routing, as we were discussing.
	If you have a really fast internet everywhere, you don't care anymore, and you can't just move your disk instantly from one point to the other.
	If not, you need to be aware of how it works and make smaller snapshots, move snapshots continue.
	That's what we are doing.
	But in the end, if we have a really fast bandwidth, we won't even need all these tricks.
	Wow.
	So, the whole internet is becoming a giant AI brain.
	Right.
	Did you know you're building Skynet?
	Is that...
	Honestly, we are even working...
	Basically, on LibertAI, which is the AI project on top, we're also working on AI agents that can pay for their own computing on the network, run inside confidential VMs, and then even branch out and have their wallets on-chain.
	You could even have, let's say, shares of your agent, etc.
	And then the agent moves away from human control totally.
	And that's what we're working on as well.
	One last question for me.
	What barriers currently prevent mass adoption of decentralized alternatives?
	Friction.
	Users don't like to move.
	Once they're on AWS, they stay on AWS.
	Once they're on Google Cloud, they stay on Google Cloud.
	Why?
	Because They get free credits as a startup, and then they just stay.
	We have a startup program, and we even take shares on multiple startup programs, just like the Aurora Labs that just launched, where we give away free cloud credits to them so that they can stay on the decentralized cloud afterwards.
	And yeah, so there is friction, and also fiat payments.
	They don't want to handle utility tokens.
	Some don't even want to handle stablecoins.
	They don't care.
	And big computing providers, they don't even want to get paid in crypto, some of them.
	They just want just a bank wire once a month, and they don't care.
	So payment rates is really critical.
	We are also obviously working on that.
	It's a bit longer term, but that's in our roadmap because we will need that.
	Some kind of gateways for regular webto companies and regular data center providers to just join the network.
	And it will also need to be decentralized with multiple companies, multi-tenant stuff, etc.
	Wow.
	Hey, Mike, you know what I'm hearing through all of this?
	What?
	Decentralization is messy.
	By design, right?
	Think about it.
	But we should all celebrate that messiness, because it's that that ultimately is going to get us to where we want to be, which is disassociated from the centralized control systems.
	Am I wrong?
	Well, yeah, and I was just thinking why companies stay with AWS, because the configuration is a hassle to set up, The APIs, the IP addresses, the credentials, the logins.
	Once you get your code working, you really don't want to change it.
	It's just a hassle to change code.
	Even if the next solution is better.
	People will overpay on AWS.
	They'll pay double to not have to migrate.
	So there has to be...
	I mean, AWS has had outages.
	They've lost entire data centers.
	I think their East data center went down last year or something.
	That exposes the risk of centralized systems.
	So the entire data center is gone.
	That will never happen with Aleph Cloud.
	You might lose a node here or a node there or a couple nodes if the whole country of Spain loses power like it did two weeks ago.
	But you're not going to lose a third of your whole network because it can't happen that way.
	It's decentralized.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	Sometimes what we had, which could be the most similar to it, is our scoring system, because we didn't even touch that, but how do you know if a node is really working and should be paid, etc.?
	We have a whole complex scoring system which takes care of that, and some of that scoring system went down at a point.
	Some nodes had a lower score, But it went back up really fast when all the overscoring nodes compensated for it.
	So, yeah, even in cases of big power outages, it just works, and it continues working.
	Well, and I'd like to ask you, too, about a lot of...
	In the past few years, a lot of people would buy GPUs to do crypto mining.
	So they would burn power to get crypto rewards.
	If they were to join your system, would they earn a lot more, typically, than crypto rewards, which can be pretty modest, actually?
	It will depend on the demand on the network.
	Because currently, for GPUs, you get paid if your GPUs are rented.
	Since there is currently way more demand than offer on the network, they will earn way more.
	Perhaps in the future, if there is thousands, perhaps it won't be the case anymore.
	But currently, yes, they will earn way more.
	Well, you know, NVIDIA, they just announced a new piece of hardware called Spark, which is a small desktop system that has some insane number of teraflops of computing power.
	I did the math.
	That one box as a GPU replaces 35 workstations with 4080 cards.
	So, if I wanted it to be on your network, I would buy that box.
	It's $4,000.
	Put it on your network.
	It's got the resources of 35 GPU systems.
	Yeah.
	The main thing is that will we be able to see it as one GPU or multiple GPUs?
	And I think that NVIDIA as a system to split GPUs to make it rentable separately, but it's only an H100 and they don't think that we will activate that on Right, well, that's a Blackwell-class chip for that new system,
	but I do know that NVIDIA has GPU virtualization where you can split the CUDA cores out, but But you may be right.
	Maybe they don't offer that on the Blackwell systems.
	I don't know.
	But just theoretically, it's a very interesting thing to do is to buy one box, split it out to 20 different people who have smaller loads, and that box just plugs into a regular household outlet.
	That's not burning data center level of electricity.
	Amazing.
	Yeah, it's really crazy.
	Because I can't buy hardware and rent it out to Amazon.
	Right?
	Well, yeah, you would just count where on a decentralized network you can.
	And you could even build a data center and make it available on the network.
	That's what's so cool.
	So I can sell my compute without having to run a data center.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Okay, cool.
	Mike, have you ever done the math, or I guess it's impossible to do the math without knowing the metrics, but that $4,000 would be interesting to determine, okay, if I invested $4,000 in that, and I just plugged it in, and I figured all of this out with a left, I wonder how long it would take to pay that $4,000 off.
	There would be a curve, because at first, if you're a first mover, the first guy to get the box, then you're going to have a strong advantage.
	But then as other people get boxes, then they're going to flood the supply with cheap compute, and then it's all going to level out.
	So it's only if you can get the boxes before other people, really.
	I want the one with the bored-out carburetor and the dual-quad robustion system, Mike.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, look.
	The availability of compute is radically, it's being transformed by orders of magnitude.
	And so what that means for your system, Aleph, is that there will be an abundance of resources available for anybody that has a scalable compute project that needs access to it without going through the centralized systems.
	I mean, I can think of...
	Like scientific research, protein folding research, for example.
	You might need to run a thousand computers for three months, but you don't want to buy a thousand computers.
	You just rent them.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah, so very cool concept.
	Well, what else do you want to add, Jonathan?
	What have we not asked you about that's relevant here?
	I think that we touched most of the subjects, to be honest.
	On the AI side, the censorship resistance and confidential computing on the AI side is really critical as well.
	As I said before, that's something that people don't understand enough, I think, today.
	And I really think that decentralized compute like ALF Cloud plus Libertai can really help on that end.
	That's something that is really critical in the future.
	So, yeah.
	And I think that in the future, our network won't be only on the cloud side.
	We might even sell other stuff on the network because Deepin works really well with computing.
	Perhaps tomorrow it will also be other kind of resources.
	You mentioned Skynet, for example.
	Let's say tomorrow that's totally hypothetical.
	That's not something that we are doing today, nor even working on yet.
	But let's say tomorrow you buy a humanoid robot.
	When you don't use it, you want to rent it to people who could control it.
	Or even agents who are working on a decentralized cloud and would like to have real-world presence, they could rent that humanoid robot from you.
	They could rent the humanoid robot from you, but the robot's at my house.
	What are they going to do with the robot at my house?
	They will need to make it move somewhere to do whatever they need.
	Oh, you mean like the robot would jump into its robo-car and start making deliveries or something as a delivery gig?
	Why not?
	Why not?
	Or like, for example, let's say an agent needs to do something in one place.
	It will try to find a robot nearby and take control of it, pay the person, and then go there.
	I do need a weed-pulling robot.
	I've talked about that.
	It's the ultimate food forest concept.
	I could grow a lot more food if I didn't have to pull weeds.
	So my number one robot use case is a weed-pulling robot.
	That could work.
	Or it could just have laser eyes.
	You know, like a Bitcoin Maxi?
	Laser eyes that burn the weeds.
	I'm fine with that as long as it has an identification.
	I don't want to come back with my zucchini plants with holes burned in the leaves because it misidentified my plants, you know?
	A Bitcoin Maxi.
	Bitcoin Maxi robot.
	Burning weeds, man.
	Why not?
	Okay.
	We like to have fun here too, Jonathan, because technology is fun and life is funny.
	Alright, bottom line is the website is aleph.cloud and you can sign up there to either be a provider of hardware or a consumer of compute resources.
	Either one.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Well.
	That's good.
	Thanks for joining us.
	Great concept.
	All right.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you, Jonathan.
	Great meeting you, Jonathan.
	And Ashton Addison, thank you for the connection, because this was a great interview.
	Yes, Ashton.
	That's right.
	That's it.
	Thank you.
	So, okay.
	Well, we will wish you well, and Todd and I are going to take a quick break, and we'll be back after this break with an after-party discussion.
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	All right, welcome back, folks.
	This is the After Party.
	And Todd, really a great guest and a great concept, but definitely a...
	A little technical for a lot of people, but I like the question that you asked, which is why this structure is important for human freedom, even if you're not a computer geek.
	It's critically important.
	Centralized tech is taking over the world.
	I mean, everybody believes that AI is just such this tremendous resource, and it is.
	But when it's under centralized control, like ChatGPT 4.0 or whatever the version is now, and, my gosh, Mike, my daughter just graduated from college, and I was taking her and some friends to dinner, and it was amazing how they were talking about they don't even need, you know, They don't need friends anymore because they have their chat.
	And Joshua Hale, who we've had as a guest, in our docuseries, Mike, he actually has some free PDFs for those who actually get the series, some bonus material.
	And the one thing that was in there was, how do you use...
	Without it using you.
	And it was really, really interesting.
	And the first thing that he suggests is if you're going to do the voice AI, instead of like my daughter and her friends that find the best sounding, you know, Australian accent guy, right?
	With all of that built-in empathy.
	No, Joshua says you make it the most irritating voice.
	Ever.
	Right.
	Because we all could fall in the trap of just really, really liking this technology and it faking our brains that it's real.
	And that's very, very scary.
	And so we should always ask, why should centralized control, because it's a centralized system, why should it concern us?
	And so when there's people on the forefront, I agree.
	I think there should be a federal law that all AI has to sound like Mark Levin, so it's not very persuasive.
	Sounds like a petulant child complaining about everything.
	That's a really good point, but I'm with you on this.
	We always have to be careful about our relationship with technology.
	What our guest was talking about here today is a, I think it's a really critical, redundant platform for compute because governments are going to, especially the European governments, you know how they're all engaged in extreme censorship now.
	You know, thought police galore.
	And you can go to jail for 10 months for calling an obese health minister fat.
	I mean, I'm not making this up.
	This is what happens in Europe now.
	And they're throwing people in jail for their speech, and they're banning privacy coins, etc.
	Of course they're going to try to crack down on AI and all the compute infrastructure in order to control it and centralize power in their own hands.
	And that's why it's critical for our audience to tune in to the course that you and I have...
	It's called Breaking the Chains.
	It's available right now.
	In fact, as you're watching this, let me bring it up.
	As you're watching this, you can go register right here.
	It's called Breaking the Chains.
	And you can watch our entire docuseries free of charge.
	And there's an episode each day.
	They're bombshell episodes, expert guests on everything, how to decentralize your food, your medicine, your finances, your legal needs.
	Everything that you can imagine.
	And bonus materials if you purchase the course, which is optional, but you can also watch the entire thing for free.
	So that's actually running right now, Todd, because I'm going to publish this interview on, I think, the second or third day of this event.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's great.
	And I really do encourage people, not only does it support us, but I encourage you to actually buy the series because the bonus material is worth more than the price of admission.
	I mean, Mike, just that bonus interview of you, you know, the three-hour power interview with you.
	That was fun.
	Yeah, to where I basically set the premise, okay, the you-know-what hit the fan.
	You have a family of four and a couple of pets.
	And you're not going to have electricity for four weeks at minimum.
	What's the practical advice from the health ranger himself, from Mike Adams himself, with your 25 plus years of experience?
	And my gosh, Mike, I did not anticipate your answers that you provided at all.
	I thought you'd cover the basics and all of that stuff, and we did.
	But my gosh, the gold with that interview that people, I mean, it literally can be life-changing for everybody.
	Oh, yeah.
	But you and I put so much into the bonus material because we want it to be that amazing value add for people to where when they acquired it and then they were able to watch everything in their own time for as many times as they want forever.
	We wanted them to say, wow, that was worth it.
	So I just wanted to talk about that.
	The free is great.
	The free is great, but I did want to level set expectations.
	That doesn't include the bonus materials aren't running for free unless you've surprised me, Mike.
	Well, no.
	Look, you and I go out of our way to make knowledge free of charge, freely available to everybody as much as we can.
	There's a higher tier that is purchasable that has additional bonus materials that, of course, is totally optional.
	But if you purchase it, it helps support our platform.
	And, you know, we don't get government grant money.
	I mean, are you getting checks from USAID?
	I'm not.
	I'm not getting checks.
	I wouldn't want checks from the government.
	But we are supported by you, our viewers.
	We're supported by you.
	And we reinvest in equipment.
	We reinvest in platforms in order to bring you information.
	Like, guys, to my studio guys, can you show the side shot that has the microscope shot here?
	Can you bring that up, please?
	I just want to show people, like, we just invested over $100,000 in this digital microscope here.
	Wow.
	And this is a 2500X.
	This is the dried sample.
	From Dr. Jane Ruby.
	So these are chemtrails, fallout samples here.
	And, you know, of course we can zoom in and we can have a closer look, whatever.
	So we're using, if you choose to support us, we're taking your support to invest in science equipment, new studios, things that can help you get more information that we freely give out.
	And that cycle is beautiful.
	So thank you for your support if you're watching.
	Thank you for your support.
	And register at BrightU.com to help support us.
	Yeah, it's fantastic.
	And I want to personally thank, Mike, those who have supported.
	My575e.com.
	There are now, believe it or not, Mike, since I started talking about the Unincorporated Nonprofit Associations, over 200 people who have acquired their UNAs and are part of our private telegram group.
	I mean, think about that.
	That is such an amazing community of really, really smart people.
	I always joke, there's not an NPC in the bunch.
	Here it is.
	Here's your site.
	Yes, my575e.com.
	I really, really invite people to go there.
	I have an hour and a half interview of the subject matter expert.
	His name is Dennis Gray.
	And a downloadable 11-page PDF with the 32 positive attributes of operating UNA.
	And I provide all of that for free for you to be able to at least become acquainted with this relatively undiscovered entity, lawful entity that is really changing people's lives.
	And I want to let people know that if you support our docu-series, part of my value prop is if you want to do a consultation with me, it's $150 through the website.
	But if you support the series, then there is a link to where you save $125 on that.
	And it's just I'm wanting to be able to make it easy and make it an easy decision.
	You support us.
	We support you.
	See, that's perfect.
	And the theme that all this has in common, including with our guest today, is, of course, all decentralization.
	And what I love about what you help advocate, these unincorporated nonprofit associations, the UNAs, through your website, my575e.com.
	If I did not have a church, I would be doing what you're talking about.
	The fact that I have a church allows me the vehicle through which I can do a lot of community-based donations because the church is well-recognized as that vehicle.
	But not everybody wants to have sermons and build a church and have a physical location for a church.
	That's not an easy thing for everybody to do.
	What you offer doesn't require any of those efforts.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, and it allows you to be able to have one foot in the public and one foot in the private.
	And it's very, very powerful.
	And all I do, I joke, Mike, when I get on these consultations, I tell people directly, I don't sell these things.
	I just present the information.
	There isn't enough margin in these things for it to be a primary source of income by a long shot.
	This is my form of activism.
	And, you know, there's a couple hundred people who have voted.
	And there's not one disenfranchised person in the bunch.
	And what's really, really cool is now there are so many people who have so much experience with these.
	We're learning together in there.
	I don't even have to answer questions anymore, Mike.
	People come in there.
	And everybody is there to be able to help.
	It's that 1 plus 1 equals 11 math that I'm really fond of.
	So you know what's cool about this discussion?
	And our guest today is kind of the same thing.
	So if you have a large compute project or you want to run a website, you want to run a database, you want to run a language model, but you want to do so with privacy in a decentralized way where you're not going to be surveilled by a big tech platform, then this Aleph Cloud or Aleph, what's an easy way to pronounce it?
	Aleph.
	Aleph?
	A-L-E-P-H, Aleph.
	Aleph, okay.
	It's a little bit of an odd word.
	Aleph.cloud.
	So, if you use Aleph, then there's no surveillance system on you.
	And you can compute privately, which may be very important.
	Maybe you're doing a project that's going to figure out how to end like...
	The big pharma's legal protection or something.
	Like maybe you're doing something politically sensitive.
	Maybe you're a whistleblower who has some super secret something inside the DOD and you're going to release it and you think it might kill you or something.
	You know, I mean, there are a million reasons to protect your privacy.
	And many of them are, most of them are moral, ethical reasons to do so.
	Just because you want privacy doesn't mean you're a bad person or that you're doing anything bad.
	You may need privacy for protection because you're working on something so important that it maybe threatens the status quo.
	That's right.
	Or it could just be a right, just like it is my right to close the bathroom door in a public airport.
	You know?
	It's kind of a joke, but not really.
	I mean, what do you have to hide, right?
	Why do they even have doors?
	It doesn't mean you're a nefarious person doing something illegal.
	No, privacy is a God-given right, in my opinion.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that's why we brought on our guest today, because we support, we want to help these entrepreneurs advocate for their projects that we believe contribute to a more decentralized and more free world.
	That's why we had our guest today.
	And Todd, you and I both know, we know this is going over the heads from a technical perspective.
	Of a lot of our guests, and that's okay, but even if you're not a programmer, you need to know that this kind of thing is happening.
	These are game-changing advances in decentralization of compute.
	And if you think about, like, AI agents are going to become very commonplace.
	AI agents, right?
	They're going to replace a lot of desk jobs.
	Do you want to use the ChatGPT AI agent that's programmed in part by the CIA?
	No.
	What if on Aleph, there's someday soon, maybe our own language model has an agent version.
	Maybe there's an ENOC agent, but you have to access it through this decentralized cloud, but it doesn't have censorship in it.
	See?
	So that would be so much better than using an OpenAI agent or a Microsoft agent or a meta agent, which will always be biased.
	What I hope everybody understands is that when we have these open discussions with technical people like Jonathan, who has a superpower for a brain, Now, you just witnessed, Mike is having a conversation with Jonathan, and I guarantee you will continue it.
	And there could be a future of Enoch on his platform, and you benefiting.
	This is just...
	Connections that we are creating here just through word of mouth, because you have Ashton Addison, you know, the crypto coin show, who tells us that Jonathan would be a great guest.
	We are networking on your behalf, and we want to present it to you so that you can be a...
	A fly on the wall, a voyeur of sorts in a positive way to where you're listening to conversations that are going to happen anyway.
	But I hope, yeah, sure, it went over my head too.
	But man, oh man, we have a friend there.
	We have somebody that we can advocate for.
	I'm rooting for Jonathan.
	He is absolutely doing God's work, in my opinion, Mike.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	We're talking about the restructuring of society and information.
	You know, the information wants to be free.
	And with the rise of very, very efficient, very affordable supercomputers like the NVIDIA system I mentioned, that would have been unthinkable three years ago.
	And it's going to be within reach this year.
	This will change everything.
	And it will mean, I mean, let me put it this way.
	I mentioned Hollywood will be obsolete.
	You'll be able to just write a prompt of a movie that you want to watch.
	And that prompt could actually go out to the Aleph cloud, GPU cloud system, and then using...
	More advanced AI language models for video creation, which are now emerging.
	The cloud could render a full-length feature movie for you from nothing.
	Write the script, write the character dialogue, render the scenes, do everything.
	Give you back a movie that you want to watch that's totally unique and it's created in minutes for like a dollar.
	And it doesn't mean that you know the ending.
	Right.
	Or, I mean, you could tell at the ending, or you could say, surprise me, you know?
	Right.
	I mean, like with AI prompting, you can give it as much detail as you want, or you can let it, you know, use its own patterns based off Hollywood.
	Right.
	No, it's fascinating.
	I mean, it is just evolving so fast.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like you could even say, give me Ghostbusters 2 that's not woke.
	Right.
	Give me a Ghostbusters-like movie that's not woke.
	Or how about give me some new Star Wars-like episodes that don't suck.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So Hollywood is about to become obsolete.
	And that's not a bad thing.
	Why should we have centralized control over pop culture in the hands of a bunch of really evil child-molesting demon worshippers or whatever they are there?
	Yeah, I think they thought it was a good gig while they could do it, but it's going bye-bye.
	Yeah, totally.
	But also think about real-time translation.
	Sure.
	You and I, we could have a conversation, like your wife's from another country, and you don't fully speak the language that the people of that country speak, but if you went to that country, what if you could have...
	Like a distributed computing real-time translator plugged into your mobile phone that's connected to something like Aleph, and it's doing real-time translations.
	Yeah, without them spying on you.
	Without them spying on you, exactly.
	So there's so many possibilities of this.
	It's really a breakthrough.
	And the moral of the story here is, hang in there with us, guys.
	If you come upon...
	One of our shows, and it's just going over your head, at least hang in there for the after party, because at least we'll have fun.
	Oh yeah, we'll definitely have fun.
	I mean, just with what I have here on the desk, we've got lots of potential craziness to play with.
	Sadly, the Chemtrails fallout sample has dried out.
	And so all I have is the dried crystal version, but they were swimming around like an hour ago.
	Boy, that's crazy.
	Yeah.
	They just dried out and formed crystals.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Yeah, there we go.
	See that?
	That's what we have now.
	And they formed all these weird Christmas tree shapes.
	Look at that.
	Yeah.
	What magnification is that, Mike?
	That's 1,500, actually, at the moment.
	But it also formed these weird little black spheres here.
	Right.
	Gosh, that's amazing.
	Yeah.
	And just think, that came in from the Florida fog that everyone was talking about.
	Like, what the hell is this?
	And she let it just settle on, I don't know, something that she was able to capture it and send it to you.
	Yes.
	And you let it grow.
	Right.
	And just think.
	If you were walking outside, all of that goes into your lungs because we still have to breathe, right?
	And you wouldn't think it's anything other than fog.
	But now you take a look at this and you're like, man, there's things swimming around in my chest that may crystallize if I ever get a dry cough.
	Yeah.
	And look, we can do like how many microns measurements?
	We can do a 3D topography analysis.
	We can look at the thickness of everything.
	We can do, like, auto rotations and stuff.
	I mean, this system is too much fun.
	This is like the best toy ever.
	So, folks, if Mike's a little slow on his publication of his broadcast, you'll just know the mad scientist is just doing what mad scientists do.
	Well, that's true.
	But, you know, look, like, we talk about We talk about gold here, right?
	So let me just take this gold back and put it under the microscope.
	Please.
	And let me show you something just freaky.
	Okay.
	Totally wild.
	Hold on, stand by.
	Some people buy $100,000 vehicles.
	Mike, you buy a $100,000 microscope.
	I love it.
	Yeah, and I don't care so much about the vehicle.
	I know.
	This is way more important.
	All right, so stand by.
	Let me show you this.
	Because you and I are both into gold and silver.
	I mean, it's one of the forms of asset protection.
	So check this out.
	These are the actual gold deposits that are on the back of the gold back.
	You're actually looking at them.
	Wow, look at that clarity.
	Yeah, now, actually, let me zoom way out so that people will actually believe that this is a Goldback.
	Okay.
	Because sometimes it's hard to believe it, but these are some of the designs on the edge.
	It's like some of the patterning, and you can see it's a very intricate design.
	But this uses...
	The Goldback Company uses a process called vacuum deposition, which deposits very, very small bits of gold at a time in very specific patterns.
	So now if we go in and really zoom in on this pattern, it's going to change the lens, and then we'll refocus.
	Watch this.
	Here we go.
	Now we can actually see the individual Let me change the lights here.
	There we go.
	We can see the individual gold splotches that are literally deposited, like sprayed, like blasted at it through vacuum deposition.
	So the background is not gold?
	It's these splotches that are the gold?
	Correct.
	Let me change the light.
	I think that it will be better in this light.
	Here we go.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Because the background actually looked like gold, too.
	Okay, so yeah, this is probably better.
	So you're seeing the gold splotches, and the background is black.
	Okay.
	So this is just part of that pattern that we were looking at.
	And if we move enough, we'll get to kind of a thicker gold area.
	I don't know if you recall that on the bill.
	But this is the kind of stuff that, to me, is really fascinating.
	To look at this, And to be able to inspect things and gain knowledge about things, whether it's through questioning, like you and I are doing, or through scientific instruments, or through a visual inspection, or trying things out, whatever the case may be.
	We're both just curious about the world around us.
	Yeah.
	That's fascinating.
	Thank you for sharing that, Mike.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Gold is fun.
	Alright, so bottom line, Todd, we want to encourage people, again, check out our course.
	It's running right now.
	It's called Breaking the Chains, and you can watch it for free at brightu.com.
	And it's well worth your time, and if you choose to purchase the bonus materials, well worth every dollar.
	It's not even very expensive.
	And aside from that, anything else you want to add, Todd?
	No, I just really enjoyed today.
	You know, you and I have been working on this series, and we took a little bit of hiatus of actually interviewing some guests recently just to make sure that we were able to wrap that up.
	And I missed it.
	So I'm really grateful, Mike.
	Always love hanging out with you.
	I miss the after party, yeah.
	So we've got an after party going today.
	That's awesome.
	Jonathan, you were a great guest.
	Thank you for joining us today.
	Oh yeah, yeah, he was great.
	He went right along with this with our weird twisted humor or whatever.
	Alright, so bottom line, folks, freedom is a choice.
	All you have to do is learn how to be free.
	And that is achieved through decentralization.
	Technology, food, medicine, thoughts, news, all of it.
	It's all within...
	You know, your control, actually.
	And we just teach you how to take back control so that you can choose to be more free.
	And if you think about it, enslavement is kind of the default.
	You have to choose to reject enslavement and make an active choice to be free.
	That's really true, Mike.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Yeah, you're born, like in The Matrix, you're born as a slave into a prison of your mind.
	And most people never escape it.
	And that's why, you know, I've said a bunch of times that I have such a dim view of humanity.
	I think that 98% of the people out there, they choose slavery.
	And so, if you're watching this, I guarantee you're likely a two-percenter, and we're grateful that you are watching.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Only the free-minded people will ever make it this far in one of our episodes.
	It's like a quality test.
	The longer we go, the better the audience becomes.
	It's amazing.
	Anybody can watch the first 30 seconds, but the real hardcore people stick with it all the way through.
	You should cut that piece out and put it at the beginning of one of these just so that people get a taste of what they get if they hang in there.
	Oh, man.
	You ever see those...
	You ever go on YouTube and you see that all of the thumbnails now on YouTube are people making insane expressions to try to get clicks with weird like...
	That's the thumbnail.
	It's never a normal thing.
	It's never just...
	Two people talking.
	They have to have an expression of, ah!
	It seems so shallow like that.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	And it's all, you can tell, it's all AI generated these days.
	And that's fine, you know?
	It's a great tool.
	But, yeah, I kind of miss some of the old blocking and tackling, Mike.
	Alright, so, just for the Entertainment of our audience.
	At the count of three, let's you and I give a surprise expression.
	Okay.
	If we were to do a thumbnail for this show, like, oh my god, decentralization revolution is here, and let's both have a surprise expression, okay?
	All right.
	Okay, like a Home Alone thing.
	Okay, three, two, one.
	Okay, we got it.
	That's the thumbnail.
	Beautiful!
	Alright, so the views will go up now for sure.
	That may become a thing at the end of everyone.
	We'll see how much of a lift we get with this great thumbnail.
	Alright, we'll put it in.
	We'll make it the thumbnail and then people will have to watch all the way through to get the joke.
	I love it.
	Alright, thank you Todd.
	It's great.
	Thanks for the time.
	All right.
	Cheers, everyone.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Thank all of you for watching.
	You can find all of our episodes at decentralized.tv.
	And as we mentioned, be sure to join up, register to watch our free docuseries called Breaking the Chains at BrightU.com, which is playing, streaming right now.
	And it's worth every minute.
	One episode goes on loop each day.
	so you need to tune in about an hour each day, give or take, in order to watch all the episodes.
	Or you can purchase the whole thing and download the whole course and watch it whenever you want.
	But you can get all the other episodes of this show, Decentralized TV, at decentralized.tv.
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