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April 24, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Suzanne Humphries reveals surprising truths about vaccines, polio and medicine with Mike Adams
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Welcome everybody to today's interview here on brighttown.com and you're going to love our guest today.
It's Dr. Suzanne Humphries, the author of Dissolving Illusions and her website is also at dissolvingillusions.com and she's authored many other papers and books as well.
She recently appeared on Joe Rogan and stirred up a lot of people by telling some hardcore truth about vaccines and the history of vaccines versus polio, things like that.
Welcome, Dr. Humphreys, to the show today.
It's been way too long, and I'm so grateful that you agreed to come on today.
Hi, Mike.
Thank you, and thanks as always.
I think our first interview was, you were actually one of my very first interviews back in 2010.
I don't know if you remember that.
I was still working as a nephrologist.
I remember I did it out of the dialysis unit.
I remember how much you were telling me about how vaccines are associated with kidney damage, and you saw it all the time in that unit.
I saw it quite a bit, that's for sure, yeah.
Well, okay, so fast forward to today, and you have been making the rounds, but most notably you went on Joe Rogan, and I jokingly tweeted about that.
I said, when you go on Joe Rogan, you do an hour with Joe, and you spend a month defending the hour.
Tell me about it.
That's what you've been doing.
So you want to give us an overview of that experience?
Well, yeah.
Well, I was just kind of like living a nice, quiet life, actually, retired from the issue of vaccines.
I honestly didn't want to have anything else to do with it.
I felt like I had done my time, my tour of duty, maybe even two tours of duty.
Right. And I didn't want anything.
To do with vaccines.
And Joe Rogan, one of his people, got in touch with me.
And initially I was like, oh, you know, I really don't really want to do that.
And I didn't want to do it in January and I didn't want to do it in February.
And I just honestly, there was no cell in my body that wanted to do it.
Honest, honest, honest.
And I have three friends that I trust very much their opinions.
And they all said to me, Suzanne, you need to do it because this is the time and your message needs to get out to a bigger audience.
And so I responded and we set the date for March and I went and did it.
And it was kind of, it was a unique event in that it was literally two and a half hours of just sitting there having a chat with no access to my notes, with no video, no,
I didn't even have a phone.
I had nothing sitting in front of me.
And so it was all done from memory, which is fine because I can do stuff from memory.
I felt like his AV guy might have been a little bit antagonistic, quite frankly, in retrospect.
But beside the point that it was a really good interview, and Joe was very generous over the few months beforehand, mentioning the book three times.
And he actually read it.
He read it, and he read it more than once, and he actually remembered some things that I didn't.
So it kind of caught me off guard a few times.
Well, that's great that Joe went to that effort to read and understand the material.
Yeah, well, he not only read it, but he said he would listen to it when he was in the sauna, when he was working out or driving.
And it was really important to him to grasp the concepts that were in there because, like most of us, I mean, I could tell you when I was doing the research, it just was riveting to me to find out that the truth about polio and measles and pretty much all the vaccines that were invented up to that point were not as they were portrayed to us at all.
Well, let's talk about that just for a second to make sure our audience has the full context here.
Let me take a shot at it, and you correct me, or whatever you want to do, but in essence, what your book shows is that polio was almost completely eradicated before the polio vaccine came online, and that it was advances in public hygiene and sanitation that eliminated most of these conditions or diseases that you had just mentioned.
Is that a fair...
Yeah, well, so the diseases are all rather different.
So when it came to polio, polio wasn't eradicated before the vaccine came on.
What happened with most of the vaccines, if not actually probably all of them, yeah, all of them, that the death rates were declining significantly before the vaccine came.
So we look at death rates and we look at incidence rates.
But in terms of incidence, you know, what people don't realize is that if you were to go to dissolvingillusions.com and pull up our one slide that has all the incidence rates for all the diseases, you'll see the polios at the very bottom.
You can almost not see it.
Because the incidence rate for polio was actually so low.
But back in those days, they would have you thinking that your child and all your neighbor's children were at a very high risk of becoming crippled and requiring casts and braces to walk, or worse, or getting bulbar polio and dying.
And so it was the media campaign that made it seem like it was actually...
More prevalent than it was, but the data shows that it was a very low prevalence disease and even Fred Klenner was really upset about this back in the time because he said the real crippler of children is Is rheumatic fever.
And those are the cripples whose legs work, but they were cardiac cripples.
And that was a huge problem back in those times.
But because there was no president with a limp or the March of Dimes behind it, it didn't receive the media blitz and the hype that polio did.
So the incidence was there.
Incidents hadn't changed, but the...
The death rate was plummeting.
Yeah, well, the death rate was, look, incidence rate was low.
Death rate was even lower because we know that most people recovered within 60 days of their paralysis.
So, yeah, it's just like the old story that, you know, the sound bites and the simplistic version of things are what the public learns, but the truth just can take weeks to explain to somebody, and that's kind of the frustration being in our position,
isn't it?
Yeah, well, and we're seeing the same thing right now.
I'm in Texas.
And we recently had the media go insane over one or two, quote, measles cases that ended up in a hospital that were associated with deaths.
But it turns out, as Children's Health Defense has shown, the deaths weren't from measles.
And even the parents have now gone public about that.
But then the media blows it up.
There's a measles outbreak and we're all going to die.
Go get your kids vaccinated.
And it worked.
Parents freaked out and they took their kids in to get vaccinated, even though measles kills almost no one in 50 years in North America.
Virtually nobody.
But that's not the way the media portrays it.
No, and I actually reviewed both of those cases because the parents were wanting to know what happened.
And CHD was able to get all of the records, except the IGM level for measles, which I've still not seen.
But anyway, I reviewed.
All the records.
As far as I'm concerned, especially the second one, died of scurvy.
The problem with measles is that it does, for a couple of weeks, occupies your immune system and possibly lowers the activity of your lymphocytes.
And so that can leave you at risk for secondary infections.
However, if you are...
If your immune system is fortified with vitamin D, vitamin A, and vitamin C, the likelihood of that happening is almost zero.
I mean, that's why the death rates went down over time, is because nutrition improved.
But today, what we have, you know, one of those cases, the little girl, you know what her nutrition was on the nutrition sheet that they brought her in?
She had Sprite, Gatorade, Chicken McNuggets, and French fries.
And this was after weeks of being given antibiotic after antibiotic, steroids, Fever suppressors, including Tylenol and ibuprofen, we both know what that does to the immune system and what it does to diseases.
It makes you hang on to diseases longer.
It makes you shed and spread diseases longer.
It impairs your liver, your glutathione, your heat shock proteins.
It puts you at a disadvantage because fever is trying to save your life.
So this poor kid was attacked by the pharmacomafia for literally weeks on end, in and out of the hospital.
And when, look.
She died with a cardiomyopathy and pulmonary edema, which is a symptom of scurvy.
And I continuously show this study by Dan, G.A.N., from Canada in 2008, where they demonstrate the vitamin C levels of people upon entering the hospital, and that at least a quarter of them have full-blown scurvy levels.
Another quarter, and I'm probably remembering this not perfectly, so we give the trolls something to talk about.
So there's low levels and then there's scurvy levels and the fewest amount of them.
Had normal levels.
And so now imagine that's what you are when you go into a hospital.
Then you have the stress of your mother leaving you, your father leaving you because they're told they can't stay overnight.
You have the stress of a CPAP, a BiPAP.
Do you know what that feels like?
Adults can't tolerate that, right?
You have the stress of your stomach ache, your nausea, your vomiting, and all the drugs that are being put into you.
Well, what do you think that's going to do to vitamin C levels?
And as far as I'm concerned, this child died of classic scurvy.
And if they had given her vitamin C upon the first encounter they had with her and continued it, as well as checked the vitamin D levels, replenished her, etc., the vitamin A was given very late into the game.
So I think there was an absolute explanation, and it never should have happened.
This whole story that you're laying out here, this is indicative of part of the problem of Western medicine and why it has lost all credibility in the minds of informed people.
Which is that in hospitals, there are McDonald's restaurants, Cinnabon restaurants, in the hospital lobbies.
And what people are served in hospitals is truly a death diet.
And on top of that, most doctors don't allow any form of nutrition to be brought to their patients.
They ban nutrition.
I mean, it's absolutely insane.
Yeah, and the joke is that if you want to get some vitamin C into a patient in the hospital, all you have to do is put it in a McDonald's milkshake container and you can get it in.
But if you bring it in regularly, they'll tell you you can't give it.
Everything's backwards here.
And it's sad because we do need hospitals and we do need doctors for the rare events where we can't fight something on our own or maybe somebody just wakes up and doesn't realize there were other things they could have done beforehand and you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Then with this hostile system that you're dependent upon because you really need something and they don't give you what you actually need.
Well, exactly.
And let me ask you a potentially dangerous question, which is...
RFK Jr. and HHS, and he's only been there, you know, less than 90 days, or fewer than 90 days.
And he, you know, he's beginning to do some things with reforms.
The critics are saying he's not speaking out enough about vaccines as causes of autism.
He mentioned recently environmental causes for autism, which certainly must be a factor of a list of factors.
Again, I apologize if this is too dangerous or politically swampy of a question, but what is your interpretation of what Secretary Kennedy is achieving so far?
Well, look, I'm not in his shoes, and I can't even imagine what it is to be in his shoes.
The ridicule that he gets from both sides, the criticism he gets from both sides, I definitely wouldn't want to be him, and he must have some really thick skin, or he just doesn't read what people say about him.
But look, like you said, it's been a short time.
And here's the thing.
I know Mr. Kennedy, and I know a lot of the mothers that were behind CHD, and they know him, and he knows them.
And they've been friends for many years.
And look, one thing you don't want is the wrath of a bunch of mothers of children who know what happened to their...
Yeah, I don't believe that either.
You know, you watch him be interviewed, and he always slips in, you know, an undercut to the chin to whoever's interviewing him and the essential information.
So, look, we'll know them by the fruit that they bear, right?
So let's give him a bit more time.
Yes, would I love if he were able to just come straight in and get rid of vaccinating six-month-olds for COVID?
Yeah, I think that absolutely should happen, that mandates would go away.
But we don't know who he's having to answer to.
And I can just tell you that I have a bit of information that he does have to answer to somebody.
Well, there's one senator in particular who is extremely malicious and pharma-controlled that I know is attempting to exercise great leverage.
So that's one thing.
But if you don't mind, I'll add, you know how in the military they have SEER training, S-E-R-E, survival escape?
Training, and they drop you in a forest naked, and you have to survive, and you have to escape, and somebody's trying to hunt you and everything.
That's what I feel like they did to RFK.
They dropped him in the middle of the HHS swamp, naked and alone.
He's got to go Rambo and fight his way through all the traps and everything.
Like you said, I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
And it makes me wonder how much power does the head of HHS even have?
Just like Hegseth and the Pentagon, how much power does the Secretary of Defense have when the entire Pentagon is opposed to you?
You know what I mean?
And this is a sad reality of the depth of the swamp.
And it's not just how much power you have, it's how much threat.
Look, we both know about threats, right, Mike?
Yes. You know, what happens in terms of that?
Do we know?
I don't have any clue what kind of pressure he may have been under or things that could be done to him either now or in the future in terms of threats to his family or his own well-being.
I mean, I don't think he really, I think when it comes to his own well-being, he's already said that he's willing, you know, to die for this matter.
And I think, look, we all have to get to that place where that's the kind of level of commitment that we have because we know that it is a reality.
Yeah. A potential reality.
Well, absolutely.
And so let me pivot and let's talk about the bright side of this.
And I'd like to ask you about some of the positive feedback you've received and how many, usually moms, that you have awakened to this.
Because, Dr. Humphries, I'll just say, I think on behalf of the audience, I believe that your work has saved countless lives.
And save the quality of life of many children who would have otherwise been made autistic.
So I just want to thank you for the work that you've done.
It is pro-human, pro-God work, you know?
Pro-life in the greater sense of just respecting life.
So thank you for that.
Thanks, Mike.
Well, look, we all do that and you do it as well.
And you do it in a lot of other ways, but thank you for that.
And yes, there was, look, yeah, we are focusing on the negative perhaps a little too much because the fact is that as a surprise towards the end, Joe asked me if I was on X and I said...
Yeah, I'm on X, but my audience got wiped out during the Twitter years, and I had, in Facebook, I had 95,000 people on X. I can't even remember how many I had.
And he goes, oh, what's your handle?
We'll help you out.
And I gave my handle, and now I went from having like 5,000 followers, and now I've got 190,000 followers.
Wow, great.
So he has massively increased my audience.
But just the fact that...
Upwards of, at least just on the YouTube, 2.1 million people have at least clicked on the video.
I don't know.
I think probably not watched the whole thing.
But initially, the comments were just about 100% positive.
People thanking Joe.
People thanking me.
People admiring, you know, what I had to say.
And then, you know, what I call, if anyone's old enough to know the Wizard of Oz and the flying monkeys, you know, they don't descend right away.
They require time for their communication and their preparation.
The coordination around.
Right. You can be totally naive, and so you're still open to information.
And when you hear it, it's just like with me, like every cell in my body lined up listening to Dr. Sherry Tenpenny talk about how vaccines aren't required and how we don't need not a one of them, is what she said.
And I was like, wow, because I was still in that phase of thinking, do we still need a few of them?
And then I realized that, well, at least that's my opinion anyway, that the healthiest people I see are the ones that have never been jabbed.
And yes, are there risks involved?
Of course there are.
No, you don't come into this life with a 100% guarantee anywhere.
But if you're wanting to place your bets where the highest likelihood of success are, it's just not to inject poison into babies.
I mean, doesn't that kind of make a whole lot of sense?
So, you know, my favorite comments were the ones that said, I think I just became an anti-vaxxer.
And there were some others that said, oh, I was just about to have my children.
It's their due for blah, blah, blah.
And now I'm going to research.
And, you know, I don't like when people just say, I'm not going to do it.
Like, you do have time.
People have time to research.
And you should not let anybody push you into putting a jab into your baby because you have to be done on time.
It's just not true.
And so the fact that people are taking their time to look at...
The history, because that's kind of my wheelhouse, is the history around vaccination.
And the fact that people are learning that what they were taught and what they were kind of got by osmosis wasn't necessarily true.
But it resonates with a lot of people.
And so that's why the flying monkeys have been brought in, because they're very upset that Joe Rogan has 19 million followers and that they say he's being irresponsible with his platform.
Like, as if that's not his right to bring in people with differing opinions.
But we know how it works, Mike.
You know, any doubts whether or not well-founded must not be allowed to exist.
And he violated that principle.
What has come out recently, the Trump administration people have helped to uncover the blueprint plans of massive censorship carried out by the Biden administration.
These plans that named, for example, named myself and my company, which is why we filed suit about a year ago against the federal government and big tech, because we have standing because we were specifically named, right?
They can't just dismiss it.
But many other people were named.
And, of course, you remember the Dirty Dozen list.
That's right.
You were on there, weren't you?
They didn't have me on the list because I had already been banned from all the platforms.
Oh, okay.
The purpose of that list was to get those people banned.
So they had Sherry Tenpenny and they had Dr. Mercola and all these other people on the list, right?
But they didn't have me on the list for that reason.
But we now know that that was a contrived, government-funded censorship laundering operation that was wildly illegal, violated civil rights, blatantly unconstitutional.
And now we have the full blueprints of how it happened.
And thanks to people also like Mike Benz and others who have been really, really exposing this.
So, you know, Dr. Humphries, what you've been subjected to all these years was not natural or organic.
It was an actual real-life government conspiracy to silence people who were telling the truth.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, no doubt.
I mean, some of it was so blatantly obvious, like when Kathleen Sebelius came out in 2000, I believe it was 2011, maybe it was 2010, you know, in a Reader's Digest interview saying that they were...
Getting the government to kind of clamp down on any misinformation regarding vaccination.
And, you know, that's why we put out our companion book, because, you know, this is something that's been going on since basically five years into, maybe even sooner than that, five years into the smallpox campaign, where doctors were basically saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, babies are getting sick, babies are dying, it's not stopping smallpox,
we need to, you know, reevaluate.
And those doctors were ostracized, they were villainized, they were called.
Quacks or snake oil salesmen while the real snake oil salesmen carried on with their products.
So, you know, it's an old story and it was plainly provable, you know, even if you just look at the Mark Jacobson PowerPoint that I often bring out where he says, don't inform your patients, you know, you just want to give them essential information to get the desired behavior.
And there's just so much even within the medical literature not to give people information so that they can have a truly informed consent because any doubts whether or not well-founded, blah, blah, blah, they have had a lock over.
The topic of vaccination since the beginning of vaccination.
Well, why is that?
It's not because of herd immunity, because many of the vaccines that we vaccinate for, it's not even in the blueprint of them.
They don't provide herd immunity.
So why?
What's with all the protection about it?
Why is it that everywhere we turn, somebody's trying to make our metabolism malfunction?
Okay, so I was going to ask you that very question, but let's segue, since you brought it up, I want to ask you about pediatricians.
Because pediatricians, they really push this false authority, especially on new moms who don't know the ropes yet.
And they say, well, you have to schedule wellness visits.
They call them wellness visits.
They're just vaccination injection visits, which, in my view, clearly sicken children, creating more repeat business for the pediatricians.
So at one level, it's a revenue model to make children sick.
But I think it's way beyond that.
But what do you think about the way pediatricians operate and using coercion and, you know, commanding parents to vaccinate their children and then mocking parents if they have any hesitation at all?
Yeah, well, you know, think back to when your grandparents were born, maybe.
Since then, there has been, I believe, a progressive conspiracy to undermine the confidence of Women, for sure.
Pregnant women, for certain.
And their husbands and the family unit.
So, you know, it just starts even at conception when women, they're told that they have to keep coming in and having exam after exam and that the baby has to be ultrasounded and the mother has to take vaccines.
During pregnancy.
Yeah, and you won't be capable of doing a normal, spontaneous vaginal delivery.
We're going to strip your membranes and give you Pitocin, and then if that doesn't work and you don't deliver fast enough, you're going to have a C-section.
And C-sections really undermine women psychologically.
Sometimes they're necessary if you have placenta previa or something like that.
Okay, so I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
But women are undermined.
With that background, then, you're told that you can't possibly raise a healthy child without the medical system because there are all these potential deadly things out in the world that they're going to protect you from.
And so you go for your first visit and they weigh the baby just to make sure you're feeding them properly and that the babies grow.
Meanwhile... I think that those charts almost always don't mean anything.
Because when the child's not thriving, the mother knows when the child's not thriving.
I don't really think you need to show them a chart for that.
So yes, as you say, so when you go into a pediatrician's office, not only are you about to be abused, undermined, treated like you have no capacity to raise your own family, but you're going to be exposed to a whole bunch of pathogens just sitting in the waiting room.
And in fact, if you want to catch measles, that's one of the best places to go to catch measles.
We know for certain, like the data is there in terms of influenza, that a doctor's office is the best place to catch influenza.
So you're going into this cesspool of, you know, in...
And then you're going to be bullied and berated by, you know, power mongers, nurses and physicians assistants, etc., who want to, you know, hold your baby down while they put multiple jabs in each one of its leg while it screams its head off.
And then if anything happens and you call back later, they'll tell you to take a Tylenol, which is basically going to, A, make the vaccine not work, B, set your child up even.
That is there as well.
There's an article, I think Schultz wrote an article that I use all the time that, you know, combining Tylenol with vaccines increases or there is a higher association, I should say, of developing autism if that happens.
So everything they do, it just seems like is...
Is maybe unintentionally, perhaps, setting that child back.
Now, am I saying never, ever, ever take your child to a pediatrician?
No. In fact, when I help people with whooping cough, I say, look, you're the one that has to decide when it's too much for you to handle at home.
But you know what?
100% of people that I have said, look, you probably need to take your child into a hospital.
100% of the time, nothing is done for that child except for laying them on their back, which is what you don't need to do, giving them a little bit of oxygen at times, which...
Isn't required.
Monitoring the baby and maybe giving an antibiotic, but usually that's already been done, you know, in serious cases.
So the hospital contributes nothing, but it's, you know, people have this sense of, oh, at least I'm in a safe place.
But, you know, for the most part, that's really not true.
But it's a hard thing to unwind in people that have been so indoctrinated for now.
How many decades?
Well, I'm glad you used the word indoctrination.
I think you're exactly right.
In my view, and these are my words, not yours, but what happens in the offices of pediatricians is ritualistic child abuse.
And there's a whole discussion about why that might be the case.
That's just my view from seeing what they do, because I don't see them protecting the health of the child.
I don't see them protecting the mother or the relationship between the mother and child.
One thing that's really scary when people realize it is that when you take your child to a doctor or a pediatrician, you are actually giving up custody temporarily to a, quote, authority who, if they disagree with the way that you are addressing the health of your child,
they can call the police, and they often do, or Child Protective Services, and they often do.
And they can have that child taken away from you even though you've done nothing wrong as a parent.
And we cover cases of that all the time on Natural News.
So you're actually surrendering your child to an untrustworthy officer of the state.
Yeah, I mean, it's baffling to me.
Okay. Let's back up for a second, because I got into this issue while my adult kidney patients were becoming injured from vaccines.
And for the longest time, I actually didn't want to have anything to do with the pediatric aspect of things, definitely not with the autism aspect of things, because I just felt like it was beyond my level of expertise.
But over the years, and since traveling with Polly on the VaxBus all over America and over into the UK and Australia and New Zealand, And seeing the same story happening over and over again, I feel that I did get a real-life education.
And then I did immerse myself in infant immunity and the childhood vaccination schedule.
And I feel like now I'm really up to speed on it.
And when I look back on things now, and I just re-watched...
The documentary Vaccine Roulette from 1982, and I just posted it on my X page if people want to watch that.
Honestly, you have to see it.
If you've seen it before, watch it again.
If you've never seen it, you know, people think, oh, that was just something that happened in the past.
But it's such an incredible documentary.
I think Leah Thompson did it, and she did such a brilliant job of it.
And it was back in the day when they were actually airing documentaries like this on regular television.
And you see what happened to those parents with the DPT vaccine back then.
And then you see how the fact that that was kind of accepted by the medical community and by the world at large and the brainwashing and the whitewashing that the DPT vaccine had nothing to do with encephalitis.
When you think back about smallpox and the first vaccines and how that was the introduction of animal disease into humanity through the skin and the amount of skin diseases that became horribly infected leading to sepsis and death that happened during the smallpox vaccine,
you realize that our lifespan has actually...
Been decreased and not increased as a result of these vaccines.
I believe, genetically speaking, we are programmed to live 120 years and now we're grateful if we live 70 or 80 or tops 90. I just am shocked that there's not an absolute and total rebellion amongst parents whose children have been Denied access to the care that they needed after they have been medically abused by vaccination and the outcome of vaccination and how they swallowed everything.
You know, it was very generous of parents to accept what they accepted back in the 1980s and 1990s, the way that they have accepted it.
It's like I can't even imagine having a child that I would bring into a pediatrician and then...
Several days later, see that their brain had essentially deteriorated and be told by the pediatric...
I'm stuck with this child for the rest of its life, having to care for every aspect of this child.
And knowing that they should be having a normal life, that they should be growing up and getting married and having a job and having a fulfilled life and a spiritual life.
And they don't get any of that.
It's so destructive.
The destruction of families and the destruction of marriages and the destruction of human life that has happened at the hands of vaccination.
It's so huge.
I honestly can't believe that there hasn't been a full-out rebellion.
What happens?
We get COVID and everybody goes along with the lockdowns and the vaccination.
This is what makes me not have hope when I see that.
What you're describing also, you're describing the structure of the control grid, which is control through the science, through false authority, through media, through social engineering, through fear campaigns, etc.
You know, Rockefeller medicine has become extremely well-versed at control mechanisms for lots of reasons.
But we have to get to the question of motives.
So I think you hit upon something there.
You said you think we're genetically programmed to live 120 years, but you're lucky to live to the age of 80 today.
So it's probably not a coincidence that most people retire around age 65 to 70, or if not sooner.
At that point, they become a financial receiver from pensions, from governments, Medicare, Medicaid, instead of paying taxes into the system.
And obviously, and I'll ask for your theories, or if you want to dismiss my theory, that's fine.
But it seems like from a government point of view, they want to get rid of people after they stop paying taxes into the system.
As they're a financial, quote, burden from the point of view of government.
Doesn't it make financial sense for them to just make sure people don't live very long?
Well, yeah, absolutely.
It does, especially if people accept that paradigm.
I don't know about you, but I don't accept that we're supposed to stop producing at the age of 64 and that we're supposed to stop working at the age of 64. I mean, yeah, more holidays for sure.
I'm going to be 61 this year.
My father died at the age of 64. I mean, I don't come from a lot of longevity, and I'm hoping to reverse some of that.
But, you know, one of the things I notice is that the older we get, we do gain wisdom and we do gain experience.
But what else has our culture and our society done in terms of that?
Like, what do teenagers think of a 61-year-old today?
Well, I'm just an old idiot that can't possibly understand anything of the real world.
And I don't know about you, Mike, but when I was, especially in my 20s, 30s, and 40s, I really valued older people and their wisdom and their experience, and I gained a lot from it.
But that system is kind of falling apart a bit.
And I think part of, if I want to get onto the conspiracy theory bandwagon with this, which I'm pretty much on, but it's that...
With age comes wisdom and comes understanding.
And even if you just look at the 15 years that I've been doing battle with vaccination, I'm a completely different person 15 years later than I was in the beginning.
I do pack a bit of a more powerful punch than I did 15 years ago.
And in 15 more years, what else will I know?
And what else will I be able to understand and put together?
And so I don't know, maybe is that possibly part of it?
Well, you've hit upon a very important point.
You and I have not been vaccinated.
I mean, I was vaccinated as a child, but in my entire adult life, no, of course not.
And I find that my neurology, I'm in my mid-50s, my neurology works far better than it ever did, even in my college years.
The rate at which I can learn things now is just 10 times faster than when I was younger.
But that's not true for a lot of people.
Who take vaccines, who have the neurological damage, who eat junk food, and who take a lot of toxic medications, their brain function goes down and then we're told that, oh, well, you know, cognitive function naturally declines as you age.
That's a myth.
That's not true at all.
It declines if you poison your brain.
Right? Absolutely.
You couldn't be more right about that.
And I remember as a child, like I actually had a real hard time focusing as a child.
But look, I grew up on fluoride water.
I was completely vaccinated.
I never got a drop of breast milk.
I had antibiotics all the time as a child.
I had no energy.
I mean, I was a really sick child and even sick teenager and young adult.
And I remember even at university, like just really struggling to focus and understand things.
And then I did get a series of vaccines and got four hepatitis B vaccines before medical school.
And I think that set me back again.
But now, like you say, it's been 30 years.
And then I've learned about detoxification and vitamin C and good nutrition and good sleep hygiene and getting out in the sun.
And yeah, my capacity to retain...
Information now and absorb information and my ability to concentrate is absolutely different than it was even when I was 18 years old.
I probably had a little bit of ADHD going on back then.
I still have to get up.
I'm not one of these people that can sit down and work for like seven hours straight.
I'm like an hour and a half and then I need to get up and do something for a while.
Yeah, me too.
Brain power has only been improving for me over these years, not going down.
Yeah, myself as well.
It's an interesting phenomenon because it shows that the potential of the human mind to grow and expand, and also even, as I've learned, the hippocampus continues to generate new nerve cells at any age.
So this process of neurogenesis is an ongoing lifetime process, and of course our body is replenishing itself.
Red blood cells are being manufactured all the time in our bones.
You're repairing skin cells, etc.
Your body is not static.
You're constantly regenerating.
And the vaccine industry wants to make sure that your body is being made out of toxins instead of being made out of nutrients.
And that's where everybody...
I mean, let me ask you this.
I've noticed that since the COVID jabs, people have been lobotomized.
I mean, I've really, really noticed cognitive decline like the actual loss of job skills.
In people who knew how to do something like use a spreadsheet, they got the jabs, a couple months later, forgot how to use a spreadsheet.
Like, I have witnessed that firsthand.
Have you seen that?
Absolutely. In fact, you know, I think my expectations of people have gone way down.
And I remember in the beginning, I was like, WTF?
Like, how are these people actually still employed?
Because they're so incredibly inept.
Yes. And then I realized that they're jabbed.
But it's not just that.
It's like the emotional stability of people has also really taken a nosedive.
But you're bringing me back to another thing, because I brought this up on The Rogan Show, and I've been viciously attacked for saying it, but that the stem cells that are measured in the placenta of the...
The newborns of mothers who were jabbed are way down.
And I wasn't able to wax poetica on this on the Rogan show, but there's a study by Estep, E-S-T-E-P, that I had read, you know, prior to going in there.
And it basically says, yes, it does happen with COVID infection, which we know is a bioweapon, but it happens even more after vaccination that the stem cells.
So what does that mean?
Well, the only reason that paper was written was because The industry that collects the blood and the stem cells from the placenta of a cord-clamped baby is really struggling because of the lack of stem cells in the placenta.
So if there's a lack of stem cells after a cord clamping, which leaves approximately one-third of the baby's blood behind, Well, imagine how many stem cells the baby actually got.
Well, stem cells are another thing that predicts our longevity.
And, you know, when they looked, I think it was like a hundred and some year old woman.
I remember reading this article.
It was a medical article probably 15 years ago.
But they found that the key to her longevity was that she still had stem cells at that age.
And so, yeah, so there's just another thing that's going to start hacking away at the child's, not just their immunity and their ability to function.
But their longevity.
And we thought that we were already seeing lots of children dying before their parents, which is an unnatural thing.
But we're obviously going to see more and more of that as time goes on.
Stand by, Dr. Humphries.
I want to show you something.
I've got to grab it here.
It's the time capsule of fast food.
Hold on.
All right.
So, Dr. Humphries, this is a McDonald's.
Apple pie and a barbecue burger that I purchased in the year 2014.
And I just, I stuck it in this container.
I actually have a whole collection here.
We have a whole museum.
And none of it has decomposed.
And I didn't dry it out.
I didn't treat it.
I didn't do anything.
I just stuck it in this container and all of it looks almost exactly the same as the day.
That I bought it, and I've got french fries, I've got chicken nuggets from 2014, and we put them under the microscope here, and they look exactly like chicken nuggets that we just went out and bought today.
So, this is what people are eating.
Now, I don't think you can call it longevity food, because it lasts forever, but it does last forever.
Nothing will eat it, except brainwash humans.
You know, it's funny you say that because I did, a few years back, I bought a whole box of your longevity food and I gave it to my sister because I said, you don't have anything in case something were to really happen.
I want you to be prepared.
She goes, yes, we do.
I have McDonald's food.
Of course, she said it as a joke.
When I go past these fast food restaurants and I see people eating them, and I remember one time I really had to go to the toilet and I pulled off on a rest stop and I walked in through a Burger King and it was like, it was just so weird.
It was like being in an alternate reality and I was just watching all these children and parents eating and they were thinking that they were eating food, but what they were just doing is putting the filler into their belly that tastes good and that they're becoming addicted to and just how incredibly sad that is.
And then you combine that, you know, the nutrient-depleted food with all kinds of synthetic chemicals that, you know, across the board with what people buy, it promotes, of course, obesity and cancer and degenerative conditions.
Then you combine that with vaccines.
Now, I want to ask you this question, because I've said this, feel free to agree or disagree, whatever, but I've said to people that, like people in the military, soldiers will ask me, like, If I don't take the vaccine, they're going to kick me out of the military.
But I want to stay in the military.
Should I take the vaccine?
I say, well, I can't answer that.
But if you choose to take the vaccine, your chances of surviving that will be so much higher if you have a very healthy diet for many, many months before you take that vaccine.
You have superfoods.
You're loaded up on good nutrition, good liver support, good neurological support, anti-inflammatory nutrients like you find in turmeric and so on.
Do you agree with that assessment?
I mean, is that a real thing, that food can help protect you in some cases?
Well, I think that there's absolutely no argument against that.
And, you know, it's not just true for us, but just as an example, another thing I talked about on The Rogan Show that I got beat up for is that...
There's lots of medical literature that shows us the difference in immune function between a breastfed baby and a formula-fed baby.
Well, formula is basically fast food for infants, right?
Right. It's toxic.
It has some of the essential nutrients in kind of a not a very good way in it, of course, and that's why babies survive it.
I survived it, but it didn't set me up to be healthy.
But what we do know is that when babies are...
Breast fed and then vaccinated, they respond in more of a TH1 slant versus the babies.
And I got beat up for saying TH1 and TH2, even though a viralization in the medical literature in 2024 is still talking TH1 and TH2.
Now, just let me say, Th1 and Th2 are very oversimplified orientations to describe immunologic function, but it doesn't mean that it's defunct.
So we now know that there are much more elaborate cell lines that happen and communication that happens
The TH1 is basically your cell-mediated immunity or lymphocytes, etc.
That's the important part when you're dealing with an invader, and your TH2 is your antibody.
Yes, there are some cells involved when you're making antibody, obviously, but that's the That's what you really don't want to happen, and that's what the vaccine industry is obsessed with, antibodies, which essentially...
They have a function, but mostly the function is a side function.
It's not the main function.
Okay, so when you have a breastfed baby, that baby is able to respond in more of a direct cell-mediated way when they're vaccinated and when they're infected.
So that translates the same thing in terms of fast food, and you're much less likely to have a terrible reaction to a vaccine if you're breastfed.
It doesn't mean it doesn't happen, okay?
So if someone's like, my child, there's always that one person out there.
But if you look at everybody, Breastfed babies do better from any insult because they're being nutritionally fed, because their immune system is being supported, their immune system is being built.
They're getting all kinds of proteins that scientists are just starting to even begin to understand that are cancer battling in addition to being food and also battle infections.
Like I talked about the Hamlet protein, the human alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumors.
It's a real thing.
And the oncology side of medicine has actually been investigating that in terms of using
And there's a scientist, Katarina Spanberg, I believe her name is, who has lots of information out there.
She's the premier scientist that's been looking into this since probably 2015 when I first started looking at it.
So, yeah.
Fast food versus real food that goes according to our blueprint.
You know, I was talking to these Mennonite people who I have a lot of respect for, and I'm like, look, you believe you have a strong faith, and you believe in God, and you believe that God created you.
I want you to understand that God created you with a blueprint as to what is nutrition and what isn't nutrition.
And following that blueprint is going to give your children a much better outcome for everything, whether it's learning, whether it's battling disease, whether it's emotional stability or strength.
Following the blueprint, it's like, what are you going to put in the engine of your car?
Are you going to put bananas in there?
No, you have to put what the car is designed to use.
We're no different.
Right, and I greatly also admire the Mennonite community as well as Amish communities, and I was shocked to learn that some parents in those communities have their children vaccinated.
Probably not most of them, but some of them do, and I was really shocked by that.
I can't think of a crazier contradiction of the core spiritual beliefs of those groups than to say, let's have mankind create a synthetic mRNA.
That is the opposite of what God gives a child to be born with, and then let's inject that into a child and let's call that medicine.
That does not compute.
It doesn't, but I think that has more alignment with the non-confrontational slant of these people rather than that they actually believe it was a good thing.
I think if they were left to do what they wanted, they wouldn't do it.
Right, right.
This is related to another question I wanted to ask you, and we're coming up.
We're coming up on the hour pretty soon here, but most people have never read the ingredients of a vaccine, and they do not know that there are ingredients used in vaccines to intentionally cause inflammation, which we're told is designed to cause an inflammatory immune response to create the antibodies that you were just talking about.
But these ingredients, like squalene and other adjuvants and so on, and there's aluminum of different forms in some of them, Isn't it true that even just genetically, different children have different metabolic capabilities of being able to clear those toxins out,
and some children can't clear them very efficiently at all?
Isn't that true?
Well, I have to preface it by saying I'm not a pediatrician, but yes, that is true.
If you just want to talk about humans in general, look, if you just do somebody's genetic profile, you can see that we have different abilities.
People talk about the MTHFR, so that's something a lot of people understand.
Methyl tetrahydrofolate reductase.
It's an enzyme.
And it's involved in glycolysis.
It's involved in how we metabolize.
And if you have a blockage in one of your metabolic steps, then what does that mean?
It means that...
Anything that comes into your body isn't going to be processed normally.
It means that your detoxification and sulfurization and everything that goes along with that isn't going to be the same as your neighbor that doesn't have that MTHFR.
Now, it doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to have any problems unless you start doing things that are toxic, whether it's smoking, staying up too late, eating bad food, or taking a direct injection into a muscle that contains aluminum.
Trace amounts of thimerosal, animal viruses that haven't been categorized yet.
Yeah, but of course, we get hit on the chin with that because they used to list Vero cells as an ingredient in the polio vaccine, but it doesn't list it anymore.
And now it just talks about them as being used.
And Vero cells are the green monkey cells.
And they were testicular cells or kidney cells that have been traditionally used.
And so, yeah, then they want to tell us that we...
That when they purify it in the end, that there's less than 10 nanograms per ml in the final product.
But when Dr. Theresa Deicher and when Kevin McKernan and people like that have gone and looked later, they're finding like up to 2,000 nanograms per ml.
So the standardization and oversight in vaccine production is so bad in human vaccines, it's even worse.
In veterinary vaccines.
So there's a lot of unknowns that comes in these injections.
And yes, so we are all different.
And that's why Hannah Pauling, you know, I don't know if you know that case, but her father was a neurologist and her mother was an attorney.
And Hannah developed autism after a vaccine.
And the reason they were able to win is because they pushed the case that she had a mitochondrial disorder that led to her encephalitis.
And so they settled for millions out of court.
Now the case is sealed.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
But my last question to you today is, do you sense that the tide is turning on this?
I mean, vaccines have, in my view, clearly harmed.
Many millions of American children, not to mention elsewhere around the world, spanning several decades, not to mention since 1986, the legal immunity.
But is this era of demanding absolute obedience to vaccine mythology, is this era finally possibly turning or coming to an end or being moderated in some way?
Well, I think that's a really good question.
And again, am I hopeful?
No, I'm actually still not hopeful, and I'll tell you why.
Because, look, there have been huge tidal waves of dissent and of rebellion when it came to vaccines since the inception of vaccination.
And just look at the Lester story that happened in England in 1872, I believe.
And they finally, after seven years after the big rebellion, they abolished the compulsory vaccination law.
And then you had doctors coming along in the 1930s saying, you know, how the public has turned against vaccination.
But then you have the polio came along in the 1950s that brought everybody back.
So the public is so subject to brainwashing and threats and fear-mongering.
And then if we do rebel, what comes down on top of us, I just think, look, we can say right now, okay, we have a big tidal wave going now.
Like Joe Rogan invited me on the show.
Millions of people saw that.
You know, our message is getting out further.
We've got Kennedy in office.
Well, okay.
So if you're them, what are you going to do about that?
Are you going to go, oh, well, you know, these people have really gained a lot of massive strength here.
We're just going to leave them alone.
Are you going to come down harder on them directly?
Or are you going to come down with something completely different that nobody expected?
Because guess what?
During the whole COVID thing, everybody just kind of shut up about all the other vaccines and all the other stuff that was going on.
So during that era, it's like everybody just kind of took a breath and stood back and said, Oh, you know, it just went away.
It's like vaccine rebellion went away during COVID, except for those of us that were sitting home reading about what was going on.
So we have now all this information and all these people that are waking up.
Well, what's going to be the response of the public at large?
You know, everywhere we turn, they're still trying to poison us.
Everywhere we turn, our rights are being removed.
I just wrote the...
The foreword for Dr. Sherry Tenpenny's new book.
And it's all about policy.
It's all about the PREP Act and all the things that have been going on behind the scenes.
So what's going to happen when they implement all of that?
It's called Zero Accountability is the name of the book.
It's coming out.
Anyway, it's really great in terms of she does the kind of thing that I can't do, you know, going through those boring documents, which is how they get passed because none of us want to actually read them.
So I don't know.
What's the backlash going to be or what's the diversion or what kind of direct energy weapons are going to be coming through?
So I just think they're not going to back down and lose that easily.
But does that mean that we stop pushing back?
Does that mean that we cave?
Does that mean that we don't protect our children?
And does that mean that we keep going back to medical doctors and walking right into the trap?
No, it means that you build a system around you of other medical providers that you can rely upon so that maybe you don't ever need to end up in an emergency department, except if there's a broken bone or a spurting artery or you can't breathe, because those are three good reasons to go to an emergency
department.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I want to give your website out before we wrap this up.
The website is dissolvingillusions.com and here it is on screen.
And then we'll look for Dr. Sherry Tenpenny's book that you wrote the foreword for as well.
And I just want to encourage everybody to get your books and check out your website.
Dr. Humphries, I also want to say that we are about to go public with our free AI engine.
This is at brighteon.ai, and it's called Enoch, and it's named after one of the censored books of the Bible, of course.
One of many.
This is the only AI engine in the world that is trained on what I consider to be vaccine truth.
So it's going to be a really outstanding research tool, and it's trained on an enormous Well, I mean, some of your materials in the book, and every interview that I've ever done, including with you and others, is also training material for the book.
But you will find that this can save you a tremendous amount of time on research.
So we're releasing it for free.
It's non-commercial.
It's open source.
And I think it's going to really help a lot of parents get to the truth about this.
Wow, that's so good because I am so sick of grok.
I am so grok down.
Grok is like the biggest crock that ever happened.
People want to counter me.
With Grok, that's worse than Wikipedia, sorry.
Sometimes we can use it because we want to prove a point that the ProVaccine do, but it's owned and operated by ProVaccine.
We're not going to get a leg in with Grok the Croc or with any of the other AIs that are commonly out there.
So good for you, and I think it's a great idea.
We need these non-woke AI engines to counter, or at least to have as a resource.
Like I was just saying the other day, when I first got involved, I could just go online and get...
Of course they did.
Overwrite the pro-pharma bias.
And we haven't done it 100%.
We're like 70%.
I mean, it's still going to spit out pro-pharma stuff every once in a while, depending on how you ask it.
But compared to other engines, it's a leap forward.
So I'll keep you posted about that.
And your website, again, dissolvingillusions.com.
Dr. Humphries, is there anything else that you want to say before we wrap this up?
Well, just thank you for everything you've done over the years and been there for me and for what you're doing.
I mean, you're just amazing with all the things that you are constantly doing between the laboratories and the search engines and keeping your website going and keeping the truth out there.
So thank you for that.
Well, thank you, Dr. Humphries.
We're just doing our part.
We're getting hit with the same censorship, the same trolls, the same organized campaigns that you're getting hit with.
All of us have been hit with this.
They haven't shut us down.
In fact, on my desk right now, I am now incubating.
If you can show the side camera, I'm incubating just for fun to see what happens.
You see the blue incubator?
That's got the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine in it with saline solution at human body temperature.
And then we're going to try this a couple weeks.
We're going to incubate it, centrifuge it down, decant it, pop it under the microscope, and see what we see.
Well, you know, I did that, Mike.
Did you know that I did that?
No, I did not know you did that.
I did that myself.
And what I saw, I was gaslit every which way, and I just kind of dropped it and walked away.
But I'll send you my information that what I found.
Oh, absolutely.
I was told, even by people on our team, that it was dehydration or it was, you know, this, that, or the other thing.
But I'm sorry.
If you look at the images that I came up with under my dark field microscope doing just what you did, it would be interesting to see if you get the same, because it was the Pfizer.
It was the Comirnaty vaccine that I did.
Oh, okay.
The Pfizer BioNTech for children that we got our hands on.
But let me ask you, what was the incubation duration that you used?
Well, let's just say that initially I did not...
I didn't do it as an experiment.
What happened was I had obtained some vials of the vaccine, which I did not want to deal with.
And this is how it always goes with me.
I don't want nothing to do with it.
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, I've got to look at this because I'm seeing everyone in my practice.
It's like 75 percent vaccine injuries.
Like, OK, well, what's in this vaccine?
Or if you want to.
OK, I know it's not a vaccine.
So I take this training course on dark field microscopy.
I get myself a top line microscope.
I look at it under the microscope and I see all kinds of crazy stuff floating through.
And then I pack up because I was traveling and I parked my car and it was probably, I mean, it was like a spring day.
It was like really nice outside.
And the car heated up probably to about body temperature for about 20 minutes.
And then I drove home, not in body temperature.
And later that night, I looked at the same slide again and it had completely changed in the time.
It was on the slide.
And it completely changed and turned into what looked like a circuit board.
What? And if you look at this, this is not- Bloody dehydration, okay?
It just is not.
So I'm happy to talk about that now because you know what?
And so here was the thing.
I didn't have a chain of custody sample.
So what happens is that they give the chain of custody sample to some guy who doesn't understand anything about how to look at a sample under the dark field microscope and he doesn't get the same result.
So I kept getting vaccine and doing it and I repeated the experiment three different times after I did get an incubator like you have and just started to do it.
Yeah. So I find that I did not need very long at all.
Like, sometimes it could just be a couple of hours sitting in just some warmth.
Whoa. With the slide already played out with a cover slip on top.
Okay, wow.
Well, okay.
That's freaky because, I mean, I have it in a brand new sterile Petri dish, not on a slide, and I was just going to let it sit there for a few days.
And then take a sample and put it on a slide with a slide cover and stick it under here and see what happens.
But maybe I'm over...
Well, the only thing with that, you want to look at it also just in the Petri dish.
You take that and put that under your microscope before you touch it.
Because I think you'll disrupt, if anything had formed, it will be disrupted when you remove it and put it onto the slide.
Okay, yeah, we can do that.
We can just put the Petri dish right here under the microscope.
Yeah. All good.
Okay. Wow.
Well, I'm so glad to hear that you did that, and I'd love to see the photos that you found.
Now, I don't have a dark field microscope.
This is an optical, but it's a very good digital optical with different kind of lighting angles, polarization, digital lens, you know, the whole deal.
I mean, it's a...
Can you guys show the wider view camera three?
There you go.
You see this?
See this microscope here?
Yeah. With its own screen and everything, and it's got like a...
Like, this lens is 20 grand, you know?
Just the lens.
I mean, it's a serious optical, but not dark field.
Well, you should still be able to see it.
And the thing is, I got a dark field that went up to 4000x, but I found I didn't actually need to go up that high.
Yeah. So to actually see the formations was definitely not 4000x.
It was probably 100x that you could see them.
But then I did like to zoom in on them and see, you know, a closer look.
Okay. That's great.
All right.
Well, I'll share with you whatever we find as well.
And thank you for coming on today.
We really appreciate your time.
You're welcome, and thank you.
All right.
It's been great.
Blessings to you.
All right, everybody.
This is Dr. Suzanne Humphries, again, author of Dissolving Illusions, a must-read book to understand everything about the history of vaccines and the history of the indoctrination by the medical establishment.
Her website is dissolvingillusions.com, just like it sounds.
As long as you spell it correctly, get the right number of S's and L's and other letters in there.
You got it.
Dissolvingillusions.com.
And I'm Mike Adams, of course, of brighttown.com.
And you can follow my microscopy work by just watching for videos to come out.
And we'll cover that also on naturalnews.com as well.
Thank you so much for watching today.
God bless you all.
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We test for E. coli, salmonella, all of it, to make sure that you get the cleanest foods and superfoods and nutritional supplements that are available today.
So check out healthrangerstore.com.
We've got all these products back in stock and then some of these new products as well.
Go to the homepage at the website and you'll see what we have available.
You'll see what we have on sale right now.
And here's Seed Kits, the Backyard Seed Kit.
Various categories.
We've got loyalty points that automatically kick in when you purchase products and so much more.
So check it all out at healthrangerstore.com and thank you for your support.
We couldn't do it without you.
And our mission is to help heal the world with clean food.
So that's why we do all the testing and have all the laboratory.
In fact, here's my microscope right here that we're doing demos with.
And we're looking at some crazy stuff that fell out of the sky.
Very interesting.
Not food.
But we're all about making sure that you have ultra clean food.
So thank you for your support.
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