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March 5, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Ken Bartle joins Mike Adams to talk about Spiritual Values...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and as you know, I am intrigued by the nature of consciousness and its interaction with human freedom.
And I believe that, in fact, natural law rights are emergent properties from consciousness, such as the right to own your own body, which means there's a derivative right to own the product of your own labor.
We can get into philosophy very quickly when we talk about these subjects, and that's why we're going to bring in a very special guest today who is an author, a thinker, and a thought leader in this space.
He joins us from Australia.
His name is Ken Bartle.
His website is naturallawmatters.com, and he's got numerous books and other videos and things that we'll talk about today.
Welcome to the show today, Ken.
It's really great to meet you and to have you on the show.
Thank you very much, Mike, and I greatly appreciate being on your podcast show.
I've followed your work now for a number of years, and we've always been on the same wavelength.
So it's great, and it's an honor to be with you today.
Well, that's fantastic to hear.
I'm honored to meet you.
I'm so grateful that we can have this conversation because I think that human consciousness has been put on the back burner for so long where we have nations that are so concerned about GDP, like how much money changes hands.
Maybe that's not the best measure of how we're doing as a species, you know.
So give us a quick intro and background of your focus and what this has to do with our day-to-day lives right now, and then I'll ask some questions.
Okay, sure.
It starts back probably about 12 years ago.
I was living in Western Australia, and my son was trying to import a Chevrolet Corvette from America to Australia, and he ran across all sorts of problems with the Australian government.
And the upshot of it was, and what was included in that video, is that he discovered we have two constitutions, two parliaments, and two governments in Australia.
He, of course, went back overseas where he was working, and that left me twiddling my thumbs, saying, how on earth can I repurpose Australian government?
So I turned to everything that was available, including common law and natural law, and, of course, the admiralty law that we had, and none of those satisfied me at all.
And so I argued, divine law is going to work through our conscious process.
So what is it?
And when I went researching from that, I found no one knows.
Neuroscience can't tell us what consciousness is.
Dictionaries describe it as awareness, but that doesn't explain things like intuition, imagination, consciousness, perception.
None of those things.
They're all omitted.
So that leaves us in a position where, what do we have?
Somebody's guesses, assumptions and presumptions?
We're all at sea.
And that leaves us wide open to all sorts of extraneous and erroneous things, including propaganda and all sorts of other things that can lead us down the garden path completely.
So you then work to develop a A set of understandings or even potential government reforms or legal reforms based on extensions of natural law?
Well, that wasn't my original intention.
My focus switched from not worrying too much about the law to discovering what consciousness was.
And so I threw my heart and soul into that and I said, damn, we're going to find out.
I'm really going to make it my business to find out.
And I did.
I researched it for five years.
And I found out that it's actually a process.
In other words, if you liken it to a factory process, raw materials come in one end, which are our thoughts and perceptions, and out the other end comes, after our actions, a product of what we've chosen to do.
And if you think about all those faculties that we've got in the middle, like those I mentioned, intuition and conscience and emotions and all those things, they're all part of the factory process that results in that end product.
And when I saw it from that point of view, it blew my mind.
Because I hadn't found anybody who had discussed consciousness in those terms before.
Well, let me ask you for clarification on this too, because there are those in the world of materialistic reductionistic science who would say that consciousness is nothing but an emergent property from a sufficiently complex neural network system that is nothing more than a deterministic because there are those in the world of materialistic reductionistic science who would say that consciousness is nothing But do you believe that consciousness has other elements which are non-physical and non-material that interact?
Yes.
I believe that we've been sidetracked completely.
We're going down the path where we're studying all the time about the physics or quantum physics of consciousness.
And what I discovered is that it's nothing to do with that.
Consciousness is really spiritual.
But science doesn't recognize that.
That's right.
They don't even recognize that we have a subconscious mind.
I went back and studied, because I turned to what they call deductive, sorry, observational science and deductive reasoning.
And with that, I went and watched how children, infants, learn to crawl.
And I started to observe certain similarities that came up time and time and time again, and I pieced it all together.
And what I found is that the infants were actually programming their minds, their subconscious minds, about their desires and their values, despite the fact that they had no words, no math, no science.
What they were using was a process of using their perceptive faculties, which, and their vision particularly, was giving their subconscious mind a picture of what they wanted, and the subconscious mind was working then to bring that into fruition.
So what I was dealing with was something which was through imagination was related back to values, values which support and uphold our life.
And that realization is, bang, I've got it.
It's all about spirituality.
So the spirit chooses the outcome in the future that is desirable, and then the neural network brain attempts to try to learn or figure out how to achieve.
That future vision that the Spirit has put there.
Is that...
No, that's not the way I'm seeing it.
That's not it.
Okay.
What do you say?
What I'm seeing is that we consciously choose what it is that we want in life.
Now, it can be a material value.
You know, they're a no-brainer.
A new house, a car, a speedboat, whatever it might be.
And then, of course, we've got destination values.
What do I want to become or what do I want to achieve?
Do I want to be a writer?
A musician, a teacher, a lawyer, an electrician.
What is it I want to do in life?
And when you stop it and look at it from that point of view, you realize, wait a minute, there's a third set of values here that nobody talks about.
And I'm talking about more spiritual values now that help us to get to that destination.
Things like truth, diligence, respect, courage.
Compassion.
Yes, that one too.
Those sorts of values are what I call the spiritual values, and they underpin those desires that we want to get to that destination that we're choosing for ourselves.
And those spiritual values are actually locked into our conscious process, into the subconscious mind, but they're not in our conscious mind because that would override free will.
So if we want to use those values, we have to choose them consciously.
But they're already...
Let me give you an example of how that works.
You'll probably relate to this and I'm sure most of your viewers will.
You think of the number of times you've driven across town and you get to the other side of town and you think, wait a minute, I don't remember going past a hotel.
I don't remember driving through the traffic lights.
I don't remember the pedestrian crossing.
Yet I must have done all those things.
I wouldn't be where I'm at.
So who drove the car?
The subconscious mind did.
It drove the car all the way.
Which means it was reliant on all the things that were happening through the perceptive process, translating that into our desire to get to the destination that we chose.
Yes.
We drove the car the whole way.
Now, the question is, did it use values like diligence, courage, respect, fortitude along the way?
Absolutely it did.
They're embedded in the subconscious mind.
What happens and what we learn from that is that if we can choose those sorts of spiritual values in life and upload them to our subconscious mind, presto!
Our two minds are on the same page and we develop a synergistic power that we never knew we had.
Oh wow, okay.
So this is really profound because these spiritual values that you speak of and you're beginning to talk about a method of how we can Merge those values with our subconscious mind and achieve integrous behavior and intentions.
However, those same values that you speak of, they are not codified into governments or courts or corporations or the things that define our materialistic society.
So does this explain then why people who are spiritually in tune, why they feel like there's something wrong with the world?
You've nailed it in one.
That's absolutely correct.
They're lost.
We are not taught by neuroscience or even psychology what our conscious process is and we're left to all those guesses and assumptions and presumptions that we made before.
When it comes to something which runs awry, we've got no means of understanding what causes our feeling where we get all upset, annoyed or angry.
We've no idea how to fix the problem.
We don't even know that a problem exists.
Because no one has taught us how a conscious process works.
Now if, on the other hand, we go back to the other side and we say, okay, now I understand how the process works, that if I can implant values into my subconscious mind and get my two minds working on the same page, then when I get a feeling, I know that it comes from one of those values that I uploaded to my subconscious mind.
Presto!
Now I can fix the problem.
I know what it is.
I know how to fix it.
And we go on from there.
And that is a magnificent change from that position of ignorance through the position of knowing.
Right.
There's only about 15 of those life values that we need to be concerned about.
So then, looking at your website, it seems to me that you are speaking of this awakening, not only on a personal level.
But also, potentially, on a societal level.
Absolutely.
Please speak to that.
Okay, once you understand how that value process works in the conscious mind, you find that there are certain governing laws in that conscious process which enable those values to bring it into fruition.
And those governing laws, there's only about 20 of them in total, are quite amazing.
Because none of them command us And they can't because that would override our free will.
What they do is they work like advisory statements.
If you respect this statement, for example, you will be rewarded.
If you choose to disrespect it, you can expect to suffer in some way.
And what we see now is a whole new form of ethics and morality which can be translated into the societal situation or translated socially.
As distinct from what's happening individually.
So if we learn how our conscious process works on an individual level and we take that whole parcel of goodies that we've learned and translate that into society through those natural governing laws, presto.
We've now got an entirely different society than what we had before.
One that's based on freedom.
One that's based on our integrity and our desire to want to reap rewards.
And prosper and thrive versus one which says, if I can get away with it, I will.
And if I get caught, too bad.
So do you believe that this process of, I don't know, I'll just call it consciousness evolution, although maybe that's the wrong term.
You probably have a better term, but this process, is it something that's naturally occurring?
That is unstoppable?
Or is this something that we have to deliberately work to achieve and to educate?
Or is there even, I've had other guests that say there's something happening with, I don't know, the Earth's position, the Sun's position in the galaxy that's changing something about the energy that's coming to Earth that's changing people's minds.
I mean, what are your thoughts on all this?
Yes, I agree.
There's a thought around, of course, that we're moving from the age of Pisces into the age of Aquarius.
And some people say, well, you know, that's not going to happen until 2150, which means someone who's born today is not going to see it in their lifetime.
So that's a long term.
But I believe that what's really happening is that humanity is moving into a new era, however you want to call it, and however long it might take.
I can't see it taking 150 years.
I think it can happen within the next 10 or 50. But what it really means is that...
We learn to understand what we are as human beings, not so much who we are.
If you listen to today's conversations, people say, we must learn who we are.
And I'm saying, wait a minute.
Before that, we must learn what we are.
So we must go back and learn what that conscious process is and how it works.
When we learn how that works and we learn its natural governing laws, we say, hey, isn't that beautiful?
Why don't we use these in society?
Because if we put 20 natural laws in place of what we've got, 4 billion, 4 million, I should say, law books just bite the dust.
We have absolutely, rapidly overturned the societal structure we live.
And what we've now done is put in place a society which works on the basis of freedom, not on authoritarian rule.
Now, I want to show your website there because you have a question.
Do you want freedom or authoritarian rule?
This is on naturallawmatters.com, so this is just a real simple chart to kind of show this.
But I want to ask you two questions.
Number one, you're coming to us from Australia, and our view, I'm in Texas, which is the freest of the free states in America, and my view as a Texan is that we feel great sorrow for your countrymen and women in Australia suffering under extreme authoritarianism and absolute insanity of your Yes.
Probably especially New South Wales.
But if your natural laws are implemented, how does government change or how does society change?
What does it look like?
Well, my argument is this.
If we have got 20 natural laws gifted to us by the Creator that tell us on the one hand, do this and you'll be rewarded.
If you don't do it, Then likely you'll face penalties, but that's your choice.
In other words, it upholds free will.
If we've got that situation, then we don't need to have legislature and statutes that decide and tell us what we can and should do.
The Creator has already told us that in those advisements or natural laws that He's given us.
All we need now to do is to protect our freedom from those who would come along and say, Get out of my way.
I'm taking over your life and you're going to pay me this amount of tax.
You're going to do this.
You're going to do that.
And if you don't, I'm going to throw you in jail.
Now, the question is, people look at society today and say, we can't get by without a government.
And what they're looking at is the fact that government, for argument's sake, runs things like lighthouses around the coastline to protect shipping.
Now, if we've got a society that protects people, then those lighthouses remain.
It's not as if we're throwing government out the gate in that sense.
What we're doing is we're confining government to protecting our lives, not running them.
Yes.
Huge difference.
Nobody's arguing about the need for lighthouses and simple things like that.
Sure, I'm choosing that as an example.
No, no.
I'm agreeing with you, absolutely.
It's just that governments have become completely out of control, trying to micromanage our lives.
And they've tried to instill a kind of twisted, distorted morality, which is not moral, right?
To say that, think about it, the number one value of government, the number one demand of government is obedience to government.
That's all they require.
No ethics, no morals, just obedience.
And government changes its mind.
So, what are you obedient to?
A fickle master that has no morals.
Think about it.
Yes.
If I can just bring up on screen here a quotation that I got.
Just bear with me a sec.
Because it shows the origin of where government came unstuck.
Let me just mention your books while you're looking for that.
Here on naturallawmatters.com, here's Conscious Ascendance, Navigate to Freedom, and Nature's Providence for Free Societies.
So you can click on these and discover more there.
You've got a number of videos here as well.
I also know that you've been a guest speaker, I believe, at numerous events and conferences over the years.
Back to you.
Did you find what you were looking for?
Yes, I did.
Let me just click on that screen just to bring it from front.
If I read to you, in the mid-1700s, while the American founding fathers were writing the Declaration of Independence, the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau told us, quote, while freedom is a fact of nature, people should be taught to consider that it is dangerous, whereby they ought to sacrifice their individual nature to the artificial condition of citizenship.
Furthermore, natural persons should become artificial persons, that is, citizens, wittingly or unwittingly, willingly or by legal compulsion.
Well, that sounds like exactly what's happened, and that sounds like exactly what the French government would say even today.
But that's what all governments, if you go on from that, if you look at the situation of the social contract, the social contract even used by Republicans is that we...
Ought to give up a certain percentage of our freedom in order that we can be free.
Uh-huh.
Right.
Now, if you think about the insensibility of that, the moment you give up an unspecified amount of freedom to be free, it's the moment you give up all your freedom.
Because once they've got the leg in the door, they can take whatever they want.
And they do.
And that's over a period of 150, 250 years since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. The American government, from what I'm able to observe, has progressively gone downhill.
Well, absolutely.
But let me ask you this question.
If all of us in society were good faith actors and operated off of these philosophies of natural law that you are describing, everything would be great.
But we know there are also bad actors in society.
There are people who prey on others, who hurt others, who steal from others.
How do we deal with those people in a society while also respecting the natural law of the good faith actors?
Well, that's...
The answer to that question is a long one, but I'll try and keep it short.
Okay.
Frank Van Dun is a philosopher of law in the Netherlands, and he speaks of what is known as a kritarchy.
Now, I don't know whether you've heard that before.
No.
Kritarchy basically means a free society where there's no government, as we know it.
But what happens in its place is that we have various...
Organisations that work like you would with a private detective where you belong to a group and they protect your freedom.
So you have different ones of these groups and effectively they're competing with one another.
Now, I argue that that's a recipe for disaster again because the moment you've got that, you've got the situation where one can overrule the others and you've got more fighting on your hands even between these two groups that are supposedly protecting you.
So my proposal is that Instead of a government that rules you, you have what I call a protector.
Now, that word was last used in the 1500s, but basically it means an elected body of people that protect your right to life.
Now, if you think about that then, and you think about the government we have today, that means effectively the same government that we've got superficially, but you take away all of its rule over people and you leave all the protections that it's got.
Now, if you refine that even further, then you finish up with what I call a protectorate.
In other words, the people themselves elect a body of people as their employees to protect them.
And if they don't, if they choose to go the other way or someone like the WEF comes along and says, we're taking you over, then the people have the right to fire them because, effectively, the people are the employers of that protectorate.
So that's a whole game.
This was clearly the intention behind the Bill of Rights, which came many years after the Declaration of Independence.
But we also see that this language of protecting people from themselves is what's been used by the EPA, for example, to declare carbon dioxide to be a pollutant and to ban all combustion engines, that we have to protect the people from pollution.
Therefore, we have to do all these horrible...
Right?
So, you know, that kind of language is always used by the tyrants.
Yeah, we are protecting you.
We're protecting you from yourself.
Right?
Treating us like children.
Well, here's the point of understanding exactly what that conscious process reveals.
Because if you really get to the nuts and bolts of what that conscious process reveals, right at the core of it is the situation between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind.
And it's quite brilliant.
The conscious mind can't overrule the subconscious mind because it's fully automated.
Now think in reverse.
The subconscious mind can't overrule the conscious mind because free will is where it gets all its instructions.
So what our Creator has lovingly done is built in a form of dual protection which states in effect no mind can authoritatively rule another.
Now when you realize that, Then all you need is protection from those who do want to authoritatively rule you, for whatever reason or for whatever argument they present to you.
So that would include hoodlums as well as tyrants?
Absolutely.
Yes.
As Frank Van Dunne, the philosopher of law in the Netherlands, points out, those who step outside natural law are outlaws.
Full stop.
I love that quote.
That's great.
When you see it from that point of view, it makes it all quite so simple.
The hard part is education, because we've all been educated to believe that a society cannot exist if we don't have a ruling authority.
That's true.
Yeah, yeah.
And I believe that concept is completely outdated, and I think that's one of the reasons that you're on here.
We're talking about this, because humanity is ready to shed the old ways of blind obedience, I believe.
Yes, I believe they are.
And I think more and more people are awakening to that, which is what I mentioned.
People like, you know, John Peterson and Greg Braden, they're starting to come around to that realization.
But what I perceive is they're not fully understanding the means that they've got at their disposal fundamentally because we are denied knowing how our conscious process works.
I was just blown away when I found out how that conscious process works.
When I published my book, first one, back in 2017, I went through a period for a month where tears of compassion from humanity slowed down my face every day for a month.
No kidding.
I was absolutely blown away with what I found because I realized that what we'd been denied by this, oh, who cares what consciousness sin, government will decide.
All of this, however it originated, was actually oppressing humanity.
And if we could get to the stage where we could teach people that their consciousness, they can actually learn lessons from infants learning to crawl with no maths, word or science, showing us how our conscious process works.
Now, if you understand that that's what the infant is teaching us, then everybody on the face of the planet has been through that.
They've already proven to themselves that they can master their own consciousness or they wouldn't be listening to this program today.
Now, once they understand that they've already proven it to themselves, all we have to do then is show them how they can build on what they've already proven to themselves and that they can master their own lives, in which case, why do they need somebody leaning over their shoulder saying, do it this way or that way?
Right.
And if you don't, I'll punish you.
There's also, well, let me ask you this question that is related.
There seems to be a tendency, perhaps it's trained into people, To want to be ruled.
You know, some people, obviously not the kind of people watching this show, but among many people, like, for example, they worship the new political leaders in America right now.
They worship Trump or they worship Elon Musk.
And I'm constantly, you know, warning people, never worship another human being.
They are not your savior.
But there's a tendency for that.
Is that built in or how does that come about?
No, it's largely because they haven't been told how to master themselves.
They've never been taught.
So they naturally tend to rely on someone else.
If I don't know how to do it and he looks like he does, then I'll listen to what he has to say or she.
And that's where we're at.
And so we naturally gravitate towards the fact that, oh, we need someone to guide us, to help us.
Right.
If we could come to the understanding that Creator Himself has given us all the guidance we need.
And all we need to do is learn to understand it.
We've already been gifted it.
It's already ours.
Cost-free.
We were born with it.
That's right.
All we need to do is learn how to use it.
And that is beautiful.
Absolutely.
So the key barrier to global consciousness transformation is simply education?
Well, it's not simply, but yes, that plays a very big part.
Okay.
If we can teach people that they learn to master their lives as an infant, they can prove it to themselves by saying, yes, I drove across town and didn't realise I was doing that until I got there.
Hello, my subconscious mind drove the car and realised that if they can take something like 15 life values and consciously upload them to their subconscious mind, as Dr Bruce Lipton tells us is possible and has been for years.
Then all of those values now work on autopilot.
So what is this process by which these values can be reinforced into the subconscious?
Well, that's hard to explain without going through the whole content of my books.
Oh, okay, okay.
But this is what you write about, this process.
Sure.
But fundamentally, the process is, if you start with perception, we perceive that something's happening, right?
Or we perceive that something's in front of me or I'm looking at something.
I'm hearing something.
I'm perceiving.
So the next step is that switches out of the subconscious mind, which gave you all that data, and put it in your confidence mind so you're saying, I'm aware of that.
Now, you're aware of it?
Sure.
What are you going to do with it?
For argument's sake, you know, I look at something like this glass.
I'm putting that on screen.
What can I do with it?
Can I cook it?
Can I eat it?
Can I throw it in a swimming pool and it'll float?
What can I do with it?
So we go through a process of reasoning and argument and research and inquiries and we phone up our mate and we go down to the library and read a book and we open the newspaper and we talk to our friend.
We go through all that discovery and in that process we start to formulate an idea of what we can do in progress going forward.
We get to the point where we bring in imagination and we say, I imagine what I can do with this.
Then I get to the point of evaluation.
I say, what value is it to me?
And at that point you say, oh, hang on, this and that and the other.
You start arguing and suddenly your conscience kicks in and it says, is that going to damage your child's ability to go through college?
Is that going to profit your life?
Is that going to cause something, a problem to happen?
Having resolved all those issues, you get to the point where I say, I'm going to commit to this action.
The moment you commit to that action, the subconscious mind takes over and goes through all of those motions of activating your muscles, monitoring your body, changing your heart rate, your breathing rate, etc., etc.
And when you get to the end of that process and you've actually finished what it was that you set out to do, it gives you a perception report.
It says, here's what you've achieved.
And it gives you a feeling report, sentient mind, which says, hey!
You succeeded.
Wow.
Isn't that huge?
So, wow.
You get a joyous feeling.
Okay.
Now, if you think about that, all that I've just described is that process.
That is what consciousness is.
All of that.
Wow.
Wow.
So, yeah, you're blowing my mind here.
Let me offer this comment on this.
So, what you're saying is that as human beings, most of us don't know how to run our own...
Neurology in order to achieve our spiritual goals.
We need a user guide of how to achieve these things.
And it also strikes me, I'm going to bring in the AI topic here, which will be interesting for us, because today one of the most valuable skills in technology is so-called prompt engineering, which is requesting the AI engine to do something, to think through something, to produce a result, to solve a problem.
If you are good at prompt engineering, which means asking the right questions in the right way, providing examples, etc., then the AI engine responds to you with its answers and its solutions.
The reason I say that is because what you're describing to me sounds like we need to prompt engineer our own neurology in a better way that is aligned with our values.
Does that make sense?
Yes, it does, but there's two points to that.
That you're actually mid-born with that AI engine built in.
Right.
Creator gave you that.
It's called intuition.
Nobody teaches what intuition is, but what you've just described is exactly what it is in our conscious process.
Because if you go back to what I described in that inquiry process, our perceptive ability, which made us aware of some object to start with, is watching everything we do.
It's watching us get on the phone.
Answer questions, go to the library, do all those things and those inquiries.
And it's working behind the scenes like a search engine.
It's assembling all that data like an AI program does.
Right.
And it gets a result and says, hey, have you thought of this?
Right.
What?
That's magic.
No, it's not magic.
It's your intuition doing that AI thing behind the scenes, utilizing all the data that you've got and assembling it in a way that you never thought of.
That's so true.
That's so true.
Like if you meet somebody and then your intuition gives you a feeling, a good person, bad person, but it's based on data points that your awareness is actually aggregating and processing and giving it to you as a feeling, correct?
Yep.
Now, if you go back to that second question now, how do you do that in a computer?
In the machine learning environment, let's call it that.
Then, fine, you can use that machine learning in exactly the same way, but unless you premise it on the fact that it's going to deliver something of value to your life, then how do you know that it's not turning out something which is a disvalue to your life?
Sure.
So, the answer to the question is, can AI learning or artificial computerized machine learning assist us to spread this wonderful word about how consciousness works?
Yes.
Yes, it can.
But provided that it always has that foundational criteria that it itself refers back to and says, does it meet the criteria of advancing this person's life?
Yes.
Well stated.
It should come back to us and say, sorry, I can't answer that question because it's of disvalue to your life.
Well, you know, I'm deeply involved in AI development for decentralized knowledge.
To put out open source models for humanity that are trained on what I consider to be reality-based information.
But in doing this, I've had a lot of interactions with people in the AI space.
And my question to you, Ken, is that some of these people believe that there's no such thing as consciousness of humans, and they think that consciousness is an illusion.
That emerges from a sufficiently complex neural network environment that they believe they can counterfeit in the digital space, so they think that AI will achieve the same quality of consciousness that human beings experience.
What would you say to those people?
It comes back to the idea of spirituality.
If you can make a machine that's spiritual, please show it to me.
Because I've not seen one.
That means that if we want to program a machine to oversee or mentor our spirituality, then that needs to be its underlying program.
Now, I've written an article which is on my website that you mentioned, and it refers to mentored intelligence.
And what I'm describing there is usually utilizing the ability of AI to do all that assembly and produce a coherent dialogue or argument.
In the favour of whatever direction we're taking, and it mentors it against the 20 natural laws and says, is this advancing this person's life or not?
And if it's not, then it either modifies that so it comes out with a result and gives a result which does, in fact, advance and assist our lives, or alternatively it says, sorry, that's against my principles.
A values classification step.
And I agree with you that one of the things I see lacking in the realm of AI is that the AI engines are not at all being taught values that you and I would consider to be important, such as valuing the sacred divinity of a human life because of consciousness and ending human suffering, for example.
Things like that.
I don't see any of that behavior in AI. No, and that's why I wrote that article which I said this really ought to be about mentored intelligence, not artificial intelligence.
Okay, yeah, fair enough.
But at the same time, I use AI to help spread the word of what we're doing here.
In fact, as an example, Ken, we'll take this interview, the one we're doing right now, and we will hand it over to an AI transcription engine.
And it will produce a text transcript.
And then we'll take that transcript and we'll hand it over to our AI engine to produce a five-minute narration summary.
And then we'll use an AI voice and AI illustrations to illustrate this interview, its highlights.
And we put that out.
And that entices people into watching the full interview.
They get like a preview of the interview.
And we use AI to do that.
So it's really interesting how we use artificial intelligence to promote actual consciousness.
I don't have a problem with that, Mike, if, in fact, it is using what we're talking about as its foundational reference.
Yes.
It's using a foundational reference that was put forward by some philosopher back in the 1300s.
And it evaluates what you and I have been talking about in relation to that and makes a conclusion based on what the 1300-year-old, sorry, the philosopher Beckham 1300 said, then it's not telling what you and I are talking about.
It's making up its own story.
And that's the only problem I have with it.
But as what you've described, I don't have a problem with that at all.
Yeah.
It's reporting what you and I are discussing.
Well, I think it comes back to the...
To the values, and like we've talked about here, the values that you espouse.
You keep mentioning 15, 15 core values.
Do you actually have a list of those 15, by the way, or is it in your book?
No, the beautiful part about it is that you can write your own list.
That's why we will.
What values do you want on your list?
You know, I would put on things like courage.
Now, somebody else might use the word courage, and they might have some other value that they rank higher than that.
Having said that...
You start when you start making a list and you get to the point where, for argument's sake, truth and honesty come forward.
You say, now, which one am I going to put on my list?
Am I going to put truth on there or honesty?
Don't they mean the same?
And you find that one is a subset value of the other.
Now, somebody might write truth on their list and somebody else might write honesty.
It doesn't really matter.
What matters is that they're grounding that philosophical principle of adherence to what is, not what somebody thinks.
Or decides it's going to be.
So reality is anchored into that equation.
Now, if you start doing it on that basis, then you start to realize that those values are already decided and that there's more than about 15 of them before you start running into subset values.
True.
So if you reduce them down to the core values, that's where it comes down to about the 15 of them.
And then you find that life is really quite simple because those 15 values, once you've decided what they're going to be, for you, then you memorize them, or better still, you upload them to your subconscious mind, which I describe in the book, and then they're on automatic pilot.
Now, what happens is that every time you do something, one or more of those values is reinforced by the emotion that you feel.
So you're constantly reminded by your emotions of what values you've chosen.
Now, here's the point that I really should make, because we must exercise caution.
What happens is if I don't consciously choose those values, the subconscious mind needs them, but it can't process values if it's empty any more than a stomach can process food if it's empty.
Subconscious mind must have values.
So if I haven't deliberately chosen those values and said, listen, subconscious mind, my buddy, listen to me.
This is what I want you to prioritize as my values.
If we haven't done that, it automatically defaults to some value that we choose in the past.
Now, that may have been when we were at school.
It may have been through a broken marriage.
It might have been a problem I had at work.
Could have been something we saw on television.
Whatever it was, That value is what the subconscious mind uses because it closely approximates the present moment situation that we're in.
Ah, right.
And the problem is, we say, I've got this feeling, but I don't know where it came from.
Oh my God, I'm confused.
I don't know where I'm going.
And before long, I'm screaming, I'm ruled by my emotions.
And yeah, and the values that you've been programmed with in the past can be very inappropriate for the present day.
Some scenarios, like a person, they may have at some point, because of trauma, they may have prioritized the value of avoiding pain at all costs.
So that may be a great disservice to them in a world where someone's not beating them up every day.
But they fear love, or they fear social interaction, things like that.
Just an example of...
Exactly what you're referring to.
But let me ask you this question.
This process that you describe in your books, and let me give out your website again, naturallawmatters.com, this process.
Now, tell me please, tell our audience, how does it differ from what we might call sort of traditional, old school, I'm thinking, like self-improvement, like self-hypnosis, positive affirmations, you know, things like that that That may be helpful in their own ways, but that's what has traditionally been known in many of these areas of so-called self-improvement.
How is what you teach different from that?
It's a tricky one.
Three dozen solutions or answers to that question come to mind.
Fundamentally, if you think about the fact that we've never been taught how consciousness works, And a lot of those things that we've been speaking about now for generations, if not centuries, of those sort of remedies or how we can improve and advance in life result from not knowing what that conscious process is.
Now, don't get me wrong, a lot of those things that we've come up with and that people talk about today are quite valid and they do work and they do offer some assistance.
So don't get me wrong.
The difference that I'm talking about here is that once you know how that conscious process works and you've got that reference back to values which you choose, and all of those values are spiritually there to advance your life so that you progress in the direction that is upholding and sustaining your life, then you're doing the right thing.
Now, if those then correspond to those stories, if you like, Those presentations that we've seen in the past about how and why we should do things and how they advance our life, then fine, because each one is correlating the other.
If, on the other hand, we find that if I choose the value of honesty, for argument's sake, and I want to be a bank robber, then I've got a problem.
Right.
Because one is not related to the other.
It's causing confusion.
Now, that same thing happens between our minds.
If you think about that example I gave about driving across town and how the subconscious mind was using things like diligence and courage, etc., and driving the car across town and you didn't know it, then those values are being used by your subconscious mind to uphold and sustain your life.
Take those values and say, I want to cognitively or consciously use those same values.
And upload those to my subconscious mind so that it then understands that we're both on the same page.
Now, once we're both on the same page, then we progress.
Okay, well, thank you for that explanation.
That's really outstanding.
And I have a follow-up question for you on this.
And one of the things that I've noticed over the years of hearing people talk about things like the law of attraction is that there has been At least I've observed kind of a cheapening of these concepts.
These really profound cosmic concepts that people use to do things like, oh, I want to imagine a luxury car.
Or just silly materialistic things because that's their value system.
They're not mature enough to imagine something way more important in life than just having a fancy house and a fancy car.
There's this tendency for many people to have the values of a materialistic society and to pursue those values, even though I think you and I would agree that it's childish.
But doesn't that dominate the minds of many of our adults today?
Yes, I think it does.
The question here is, it comes back to the value and being a life value.
Not a destination value or not something that just says, hey, this is what others want me to do.
This is what I value.
This is my goal.
This is what I want to do in life.
This is my progress.
And with that, if I can do and be all those things and expand in advance of my life, then I'm showing an example to other people that they can do the same thing.
And more often than not, in that process, I'm going to be helping them to do it anyway.
Because of that cooperation that we have between one and another.
I learned a lesson many years ago with a company I worked for in Sydney.
And long story, but it took me 50 years to figure out what it was, and yet I was instrumental in making that company work at the time.
And basically what it was, it showed me that instead of that company competing with other companies who were working in the same thing, What they did was they went out and did research with their market base and found out exactly what their market base wanted and they addressed that and that our own.
It didn't matter what the other companies were doing.
They weren't competing with them.
They were cooperating with their market base and that's what I found in the conscious process.
When our two minds cooperate with one another, we get that beautiful synergy that just, the whole thing just blossoms.
And there's no competition.
There's no argument.
There's no fighting.
There's no quarreling.
There's none of that.
It's cooperation.
It's harmony.
It's unity.
It's love.
It's compassion.
It's all those wonderful things that stem just from changing our focus and putting them all on the one page and saying, that is where we go in life.
That's where I want to be.
Internal congruence is incredibly powerful.
Because then you start to get that resonance.
All the different parts of your existence begin to work together in the same direction.
You're not fighting yourself, right?
We're almost out of time here, but I want to give you an opportunity, Ken, to tell us about the resources that are on your website, naturallawmatters.com.
You know, anything.
Newsletters, videos, books, whatever you have.
Just give us a quick description.
Okay, sure.
Thank you.
I've got seven videos on there which detail the conscious process.
I use the diagrams or some of which I use in the book.
Now, you can watch those seven videos.
They run for about, on average, about 20 minutes each.
So there's still quite a bit of work there, and they're all about the conscious process.
Now, that's an animated diagram view of what I describe in the books.
Conscious Ascendance, the first book, is all about the conscious process and introduces the natural laws on a personal, individual level.
The next one that followed that is Navigate to Freedom, book number two in the series, and it describes how the natural law works both individually and socially.
And the last book, Nature's Providence, takes the whole of the first two books and it shows how those life values that we choose correlate with the natural laws which correlate with the five branches of philosophy and what you finish up with was an objective philosophy.
Which is based on life.
And that approximately approximates what Ayn Rand wrote about when she wrote the book Atlas Shrugged back in 57, I think it was published.
Wow, I can't wait to watch her videos.
This sounds really fascinating to me.
It's a long story.
But the thing that I keep on pressing on people, what I'm doing in the lawful sense is futuristic in the sense that If I can use a popular phrase, which is a bit ugly, when this shit show is over, what are we going to put in its place?
Yes.
So what sort of a society do we want?
Now, to answer that question, then you go back to that conscious process.
And when you understand how that works, you say, this is beautiful.
This is the way a creator said society should work.
So why don't we do it?
Yeah.
Let's put it together and make society work that way.
It's never been done in the past.
Let's do it.
And the opportunity is here now.
It seems like even just cosmically, we've been given a directive that says, do better.
You know, I feel like God is speaking to the planet like, do better than this.
Come on.
When I think about it, back in 2015, I went through a colon cancer.
I was five weeks in ICU. Sorry, five days in artificial coma in ICU. Oh, my.
Hospital, the surgeon didn't think I was going to come through.
Ten days after that, I came out of that operation.
I got a pulmonary embolism and came within seconds of losing my life a second time.
Wow.
And I got to the point lying in the hospital bed.
I said to myself and to the creator, I said, look, I've had a good life.
I've done all that has asked for me.
I've researched this conscious process.
I've documented it.
I'm ready to go if that's your calling.
And the message I got was quite firm.
No, you've got more work to do.
You're not done yet.
So all these years later, I'm still teaching the same message.
But I do believe that humanity has now got to the point where, you know, from what we can see Trump's doing, if we can believe the news, he's cleaning up the mess.
We're getting rid of what I call the shit show.
And what we can put in its place is exactly what I'm talking about.
And I believe that has been gifted to us by Creator.
Our job is to understand it, implement it, protect it, and say, thank you very much.
Well, I love, I'm going to borrow your term, a protectorate.
I really love that term applied to limiting the role of government.
Just one point, quickly.
Yes.
I've changed away from protectorate.
You might have got that from my website.
It's a correction I haven't made.
I use the word now called protectorate.
Wait, what is that again?
Not protectorate.
A protectorate is a state which protects another because they haven't quite got the ability.
It's like in Australia, New South Wales saying, I'll look after you, Victoria, because you're having a few political troubles at the moment.
Oh, okay, so it's not the best term.
Okay, but what's the other term you said?
A protector was last used in the 1500s.
Can you spell that?
Because I'm not quite getting it.
P-R-O-C-T, protect, ure, U-R-E, protect ure.
Oh, protecture.
Yes.
Okay, yeah, I'm not familiar.
I've never heard that word.
That's why I was missing it.
I apologize.
That's been used since the 1500s, so it's before your time and mine.
Yeah.
Okay, a protecture.
And protect you.
And what that is is a body of people elected to protect the citizens.
Wow.
All right, then I'm going to use that term.
Yes, please.
I'm going to have to spell it for everybody because nobody's heard that term.
I'm going to write some amendments on my website, too.
Okay, well, great.
Thank you for introducing me to that term and these concepts.
This has been a really profound conversation, I hope one of many.
Thank you.
Yes, I would look forward to discussing this further because I believe the time has come.
I believe people are now becoming more receptive to it.
If we think about programming the subconscious mind, Dr. Bruce Lipton's been talking about that now for five, seven years at least.
Yeah.
He uses a different technique than I use, but nonetheless, our message is the same.
You can and should program your subconscious mind because it runs 90% of what you do Anyway, so if you don't take charge of the way in which it operates, what happens?
You've got no control over it.
Yeah, exactly.
Then you're just blowing in the wind, right?
When you learn to master your own values, then you learn to master your own conscience.
Then you're making yourself a sovereign individual and you don't need all the rest of them.
That makes perfect sense.
You can still cooperate with them.
You can still have loving relationships with everybody and everyone.
That's all good.
Well, it's hopefully that you're the shining example for other people who can go out in the world and say, I want to do what he's doing.
Yeah.
Well said.
Well, all right, Ken.
Just a brilliant conversation.
Thank you for all that you do, and thank you for taking the time to speak with us about this.
Thank you, Mike.
Thank you for having me, and I'll look forward to speaking with you again sometime.
You too.
It's been a pleasure.
Alright, folks, the website is naturallawmatters.com and the word that we just mentioned is protecture, ending with T-U-R-E. So, we'll have to talk about that more coming up.
Just quickly, in relation to a protector, I've already gone through that far.
There are jointly authored documents now.
One is a new constitution.
One is a declaration of independence.
One is a charter of individual rights, and I also have a biometric identification system, all related to protectors.
Wow.
Okay.
We'll have to learn about that more in a future interview, or I'll encourage people to check it out on your website.
But that's really, really fascinating.
All right.
Ken Bartle, everybody, has been our guest today.
Check out his website and feel free to share this interview, this video on other websites.
Of course, I'm Mike Adams here of brighteon.com and I am very intrigued with the consciousness revolution of humanity.
I believe it has begun.
I believe it's going to accelerate and I believe our participation is required.
So thank you for watching today.
God bless you all.
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